Monday, 14 January 2013 09:23

Day One of Camp in the Books

(UPDATE 12:26 PM)- The Senators are on the ice for today's training camp session and Head Coach Paul MacLean has gone with the same line combinations as he did on Sunday.  This has to be a good sign for Mike Hoffman, as he continues to skate with Peter Regin and Chris Neil.  You can watch the online stream of the practice here.

The Ottawa Senators completed their first official on ice session of training camp on Sunday with more than 2,500 fans looking on.

The session featured about 60 minutes of drills, followed by a quick flood and then another 45 minutes including a scrimmage.  Paul MacLean told the media his team was going to skate this week and they wasted no time getting down to business on Sunday.  The team is back on the ice today at noon.

A reminder that all on ice sessions are open to the public.  For a look at the complete training camp schedule, go here.

While I was unable to attend the first on ice session, I did watch parts of it through the club’s online stream.  Certainly looked like an up tempo skate with everyone clearly excited to be back on the ice.  You don’t want to take too much from the first on ice session but the line combinations Paul MacLean used to start camp were interesting.

  • Michalek-Spezza-Silfverberg
  • Latendresse-Turris-Alfredsson
  • Greening-Smith-Condra
  • Hoffman-Regin-Neil
  • Daugavins-O'Brien-Noesen

 

No surprises in the top six here but the most interesting combo has to be that fourth line, which includes Binghamton stand out Mike Hoffman. Jim O’Brien, who many have penciled in as 4th line centre, started on the “fifth” line on Day One.

Without any preseason games available to try out different combinations, it will be interesting to see if MacLean does any shuffling of these trios. If he sticks with these lines, Mike Hoffman could find his way into the opening night line up.

  • Methot-Karlsson
  • Phillips-Ceci
  • Wiercioch-Gonchar
  • Borowiecki-Benoit

 

One look at the defence pairings on Day One and you can see why Murray is in the market for an upgrade on the back end. Beyond that first pairing, there are a whole lot of questions marks in those pairings. I think we’ll see some shuffling of those combinations throughout the mini-camp as the Sens attempt to determine exactly what they have on the back end.

Goaltending is talked about as a strength for this team and all three looked sharp to start the season. It will be fascinating to watch Anderson, Bishop and Lehner push each other throughout training camp.

Right back at it at noon today. Will post updates from that session as they become available.

  • When the Ottawa Senators take the ice in Winnipeg this Saturday, they will be one of three games that officially mark the return of the NHL hockey. The Hawks are in Los Angeles to take on the defending champs and the Penguins are in Philadelphia to take on the Flyers. A reminder you can catch the Sens season opener on CBC.
  • While addressing a weak blue line remains a priority for Bryan Murray, it looks like the organization is willing to wait to see what they have in Patrick Wiercioch, Andre Benoit and Mark Borowiecki. The Sens have talked to a few teams over the course of the past couple days and I would assume, have an idea what it would take to get a deal done. The Chicago Blackhawks remain the team mentioned most often in rumours.
  • A reminder that tickets for the Senators first ten games will go on sale to the public at 10:00 AM today. You can visit capitaltickets.ca or head down to the Scotiabank box office.
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0 #1 beeblebrox 2013-01-14 09:30
2,500 fans out for the first practice? Did they get $1 hot dogs?
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0 #2 Merchaholic 2013-01-14 09:36
Can't wait!
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0 #3 Boivo 2013-01-14 09:36
Better of been free!
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+1 #4 Andrews Theory 2013-01-14 09:52
Good on Hoffman, this is certainly his window to stick in the NHL cuz next year, there is going to be significantly more competition for the big club...

next year he's fighting Zibanejad, Stone, Noesen and Grant to name a few obvious candidates

make the most of it bud.
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+1 #5 Dirtysweet 2013-01-14 09:56
Apparently Yandle is available from the Yotes...wonder what it would take????
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-2 #6 jakester 2013-01-14 10:04
Hoffman is an upgrade on O'Brien in the lineup, if O'Brien was physical i'd be behind him,but he basically just skates around out there real fast. At least Hoffman on a line with Regin can create stuff and with Neil crashing the net will give us real secondary scoring. Hoffman once he gets a sniff will be stellar.
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0 #7 AlfieforMayor11 2013-01-14 10:07
Yandle would be unreal but it would take a lot to acquire him. I imagine that Phoenix is looking for solid top 6 forward though rather than a package of picks and prospects so I don't think we have much to offer.
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0 #8 jakester 2013-01-14 10:07
It says no practice on Wednesday is that possible? Thought it would be every day. Plus the practices seem really short. I guess Saturday is too close.
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0 #9 NikoTn 2013-01-14 10:13
Are they not scrimmaging at night?
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0 #10 SensChirp 2013-01-14 10:17
Quoting NikoTn:
Are they not scrimmaging at night?

Nope, MacLean has decided against that.
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0 #11 DenisVial 2013-01-14 10:26
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting NikoTn:
Are they not scrimmaging at night?

Nope, MacLean has decided against that.


With the majority of our players in mid season form due to playing overseas, Murray obviously doesn't want to burn them out before the puck drops. The only notable exceptions are Alfie, Big Rig and Anderson. Hopefully Anderson doesn't get off to a slow start, but for the most part, our guys will have less rust then many other teams.
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0 #12 NikoTn 2013-01-14 10:34
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting NikoTn:
Are they not scrimmaging at night?

Nope, MacLean has decided against that.


With the majority of our players in mid season form due to playing overseas, Murray obviously doesn't want to burn them out before the puck drops. The only notable exceptions are Alfie, Big Rig and Anderson. Hopefully Anderson doesn't get off to a slow start, but for the most part, our guys will have less rust then many other teams.
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting NikoTn:
Are they not scrimmaging at night?

Nope, MacLean has decided against that.


With the majority of our players in mid season form due to playing overseas, Murray obviously doesn't want to burn them out before the puck drops. The only notable exceptions are Alfie, Big Rig and Anderson. Hopefully Anderson doesn't get off to a slow start, but for the most part, our guys will have less rust then many other teams.



Fair enough...
Was really hoping to catch the scrimmage today, but cant as it's during the day
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0 #13 Scally 2013-01-14 10:59
Chirp... I'm hearing BM is kicking tires on Perry... Are you hearing anything on this on your end?
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0 #14 Mr Hockey 2013-01-14 11:07
Quoting Scally:
Chirp... I'm hearing BM is kicking tires on Perry... Are you hearing anything on this on your end?


Where are you hearing this?
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0 #15 Dirtysweet 2013-01-14 11:16
Quoting Mr Hockey:
Quoting Scally:
Chirp... I'm hearing BM is kicking tires on Perry... Are you hearing anything on this on your end?


Where are you hearing this?


I hope it's not Hockeyy Insiderr!
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0 #16 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-14 11:42
Was happy to get some viewing of the lines yesterday. I posted in the last comment section, all 3 goalies looked great. Honestly, if it wasn't for the different masks and Anderson being a little smaller than Lehner/Bishop, It was hard to pin a difference in style. Then again, they all did the same workouts at practice, but they all looked very much a like in the way they worked the puck.

Methot and EK looked like they've been playing together for awhile. I was surprised with Methot's first pass, it was clean, not sure he's noted for that. Most of his talent was pointed at his defensive game. I guess a practice is a hard to way to determine how his pass will be, until we see him in a game situation with more pressure, but I expect he'll deliver.

I'm expecting some big things from him and EK. I actually have a feeling that EK will benefit even more with Methot as his pairing than he did with Kuba, but the benefit will come from learning the defensive aspect of the game. Kuba was always seen as offense first with sound defensive approach 2nd.

While this style did help pad EK's point totals, Methot may actually help pad EK's +/- from last years +16. Considering the road Karlsson's taken in Ottawa, it will be good to see. There is no doubt he will continue to be offensive, he has to be, as that's the system Ottawa uses. But I don't think anyone is expecting another 78 point type of season (or the equivalent in a 48 game season).
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+2 #17 spezzerman 2013-01-14 11:45
If a GM isn't kicking the tires on Perry, they arent doing their job.

Anaheim will do whatever they can to resign them but that doesnt mean they can. Friedman stated that Perry could be a little more challenging to sign that Getzlaf as he isnt as settled with kids and family. He also pointed out that Perry is close to his parents who live in Peterborough and may want to head East and play closer to home. This is 100% speculation on his part but it makes sense. And, that puts Ottawa in a better position than most to land him. And, we have plenty of assets for a trade - more than say the Leafs.
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+1 #18 Mr Hockey 2013-01-14 11:52
Quoting spezzerman:
If a GM isn't kicking the tires on Perry, they arent doing their job.

Anaheim will do whatever they can to resign them but that doesnt mean they can. Friedman stated that Perry could be a little more challenging to sign that Getzlaf as he isnt as settled with kids and family. He also pointed out that Perry is close to his parents who live in Peterborough and may want to head East and play closer to home. This is 100% speculation on his part but it makes sense. And, that puts Ottawa in a better position than most to land him. And, we have plenty of assets for a trade - more than say the Leafs.


Also the fact that they didn't sign bigass contracts before the last cba ended. If they wanted to stay in anaheim longterm they should've signed then.
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0 #19 spezzerman 2013-01-14 12:01
Quoting Mr Hockey:
Quoting spezzerman:
If a GM isn't kicking the tires on Perry, they arent doing their job.

Anaheim will do whatever they can to resign them but that doesnt mean they can. Friedman stated that Perry could be a little more challenging to sign that Getzlaf as he isnt as settled with kids and family. He also pointed out that Perry is close to his parents who live in Peterborough and may want to head East and play closer to home. This is 100% speculation on his part but it makes sense. And, that puts Ottawa in a better position than most to land him. And, we have plenty of assets for a trade - more than say the Leafs.


Also the fact that they didn't sign bigass contracts before the last cba ended. If they wanted to stay in anaheim longterm they should've signed then.


I agree but Friedman noted that the players agents tried to get Parise - esque contracts but Anahiem refused as they wanted to wait and see what the new CBA would bring, and rightly so. Apparently, Anaheim was a team that wanted major, sweeping changes to contract structure. This refusal may have hurt their relationship with these two. I wouldnt be surprised at all to see Getzlaf resigned and Perry dealt. Imagine the return you could get for PErry? Good situation for Anaheim to be in.
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+3 #20 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2013-01-14 12:29
Watching the Sens prackie...

I have a feeling Silfverberg will be an absolute beauty this year. He loves the front of the net also loves to shoot.

I think he learned the biggest thing already in bingo his year which is to move the puck much faster on smaller ice. If he shoots every time he gets the puck in the o-zone hell be unstoppable. His release is absolutely dirty and we all know Spezza will find him on a regular basis. I honestly think he'll be better in the NHL than he was in the AHL
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0 #21 taxman 2013-01-14 12:32
T Eckford, H Jessiman, N Lawson on waivers as per Bob McKenzie.
Any thoughts on what this means? Precursor to any move? They're all pretty minor players, but...
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0 #22 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-14 12:36
Quoting taxman:
T Eckford, H Jessiman, N Lawson on waivers as per Bob McKenzie.
Any thoughts on what this means? Precursor to any move? They're all pretty minor players, but...


Jessiman on waivers.. wtf? He was playing pretty good I thought, mind you a lot of 4th line minutes. But with players being bumped to Ottawa, you would have thought that meant more opportunity. This HAS to mean something, it's just too strange not too.
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0 #23 The Apostle 2013-01-14 12:36
Lame question time - has Hoffman changed his number this year?
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0 #24 AlfieforMayor11 2013-01-14 12:49
Quoting taxman:
T Eckford, H Jessiman, N Lawson on waivers as per Bob McKenzie.
Any thoughts on what this means? Precursor to any move? They're all pretty minor players, but...


Whaaaat the hell is going on?? Jessiman and Eckford? Why waive those guys? You would have to think that Eckford is worth holding on to especially considering we may have two of Weircioch Boro and Benoit in the NHL for a little while.
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0 #25 Usual Suspect 2013-01-14 12:52
Quoting taxman:
T Eckford, H Jessiman, N Lawson on waivers as per Bob McKenzie.
Any thoughts on what this means? Precursor to any move? They're all pretty minor players, but...


Just a wild guess - now that the NHL is back, perhaps they need to now "officially" clear waivers to be able to play in the AHL and this is more administrative than anything else? I believe they are the three oldest players on Bingo.
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0 #26 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-14 12:59
As already stated, any GM who does not ask about Perry when times comes, should be canned. There are great players and then there are elite players and he's elite.

But the Ducks won't be able to afford him, unless he goes for the home town discount. And honestly, when was the last time that ever happened. It's funny cause people bring it up all the time, but outside of Alfredsson doing that the year the Sens were sold, you just don't see players do it often, not top level stars anyway.

It's been said that Anaheim is losing it's luster with players, they aren't on the up and up these days, many older players on the roster. It won't be long before you start to hear rebuild again, which actually started rumbling last year. Outside of Perry and Getzlaf who are UFA's in 2013/14, Hiller in 2014/15 they have many 2012/13 UFA's, most of which won't get signed such as Selänne, Allen, Beauchemin, Koivu, Staubitz and Winnik. Not that it's a huge issue, if anything that will free up the space. But would they want to drop that experience to sign Perry, or go the rebuild direction?

That being said, I'd expect Anaheim to trade him and get what they can before he signs elsewhere for nothing. Or have an agreement in place that it's a sign and trade type of situation. Regardless, Perry will cash in, even with the new contracts structure and he'll get max dollar and years available. It'll just depend on who can afford him.

If it's just money, Ottawa could find a spot for sure, which would all but end our rebuild/retool, as it would 100% involve 1st and 2nd round picks this year and next.
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+5 #27 Boivo 2013-01-14 13:00
Booooooooooom all sens games on tv
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0 #28 Sensnation 2013-01-14 13:16
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
As already stated, any GM who does not ask about Perry when times comes, should be canned. There are great players and then there are elite players and he's elite.

But the Ducks won't be able to afford him, unless he goes for the home town discount. And honestly, when was the last time that ever happened. It's funny cause people bring it up all the time, but outside of Alfredsson doing that the year the Sens were sold, you just don't see players do it often, not top level stars anyway.

It's been said that Anaheim is losing it's luster with players, they aren't on the up and up these days, many older players on the roster. It won't be long before you start to hear rebuild again, which actually started rumbling last year. Outside of Perry and Getzlaf who are UFA's in 2013/14, Hiller in 2014/15 they have many 2012/13 UFA's, most of which won't get signed such as Selänne, Allen, Beauchemin, Koivu, Staubitz and Winnik. Not that it's a huge issue, if anything that will free up the space. But would they want to drop that experience to sign Perry, or go the rebuild direction?

That being said, I'd expect Anaheim to trade him and get what they can before he signs elsewhere for nothing. Or have an agreement in place that it's a sign and trade type of situation. Regardless, Perry will cash in, even with the new contracts structure and he'll get max dollar and years available. It'll just depend on who can afford him.

If it's just money, Ottawa could find a spot for sure, which would all but end our rebuild/retool, as it would 100% involve 1st and 2nd round picks this year and next.


Agreed with most of what you've laid out here! I think Anaheim's plan is to go rebuild after this season. They were trying to for one last run with Selanne these last couple seasons, but if they lose Perry I don't think they have a choice going forward.
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+1 #29 WolfInSheepsClothes 2013-01-14 13:18
Alfie looks great at practice today!

The guy has still got it!
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-2 #30 spezzafan19 2013-01-14 13:19
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
As already stated, any GM who does not ask about Perry when times comes, should be canned. There are great players and then there are elite players and he's elite.

But the Ducks won't be able to afford him, unless he goes for the home town discount. And honestly, when was the last time that ever happened. It's funny cause people bring it up all the time, but outside of Alfredsson doing that the year the Sens were sold, you just don't see players do it often, not top level stars anyway.

It's been said that Anaheim is losing it's luster with players, they aren't on the up and up these days, many older players on the roster. It won't be long before you start to hear rebuild again, which actually started rumbling last year. Outside of Perry and Getzlaf who are UFA's in 2013/14, Hiller in 2014/15 they have many 2012/13 UFA's, most of which won't get signed such as Selänne, Allen, Beauchemin, Koivu, Staubitz and Winnik. Not that it's a huge issue, if anything that will free up the space. But would they want to drop that experience to sign Perry, or go the rebuild direction?

That being said, I'd expect Anaheim to trade him and get what they can before he signs elsewhere for nothing. Or have an agreement in place that it's a sign and trade type of situation. Regardless, Perry will cash in, even with the new contracts structure and he'll get max dollar and years available. It'll just depend on who can afford him.

If it's just money, Ottawa could find a spot for sure, which would all but end our rebuild/retool, as it would 100% involve 1st and 2nd round picks this year and next.


I keeping out of this discussion or I mean I am not chiming in on this subject.
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0 #31 SamJames 2013-01-14 13:20
Love to see Alfie is growing his back. Reminiscent of 10 years ago. Go Sens Go
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0 #32 spezzerman 2013-01-14 13:23
Question;

I've seen rumblings that Gamecenter Live will be 50% off this season but I can't find any information on NHL.com. Anyone know if this is legit in CAnada and could share a link?

Thanks,
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0 #33 The Apostle 2013-01-14 13:28
Any potential stumbling block for a Perry trade could be which roster players they might want as well as the picks (i don't think giving up picks would phase Murray in this particular deal).

I could see them asking for Smith (easy yes on our part), Zbad (easy yes) or Cowan, especially as they have just lost Schultz. Cowan might be difficult to part with, Ottawa isn't that deep on quality shut down blueliners.
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+3 #34 Boivo 2013-01-14 13:30
No way Murrs gets rid of Cowan
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-2 #35 WolfInSheepsClothes 2013-01-14 13:33
Quoting Boivo:
No way Murrs gets rid of Cowan


Plus, he's an injured player coming back from major surgery. Who knows if he'll return the same player he was...
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0 #36 The Apostle 2013-01-14 13:34
Quoting Boivo:
No way Murrs gets rid of Cowan



I think it's a big ask as well, what might keep Anaheim from asking is his injury status, we basically have no idea how his return will go.
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+2 #37 Sensnation 2013-01-14 13:36
Major injury is the whole reason we were able to draft Cowen so late in the first place guys. I wouldn't worry about him long term, great work ethic. He may be slow to get back to speed next season, but I'd expect he's right back on track within a year or two.
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+2 #38 WolfInSheepsClothes 2013-01-14 13:39
Murray just told the media he thinks Weircioch is NHL ready. (as per Steve Lloyd)

Can't say I'm surprised. He really put in the work over the summer and looked solid in Bingo.

So who else stays?
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0 #39 The Apostle 2013-01-14 13:40
I'm not particularly worried about Cowen coming back although having already missed 2 years through injury at the age of 21 must set of alarm bells for a lot of people.

My point was that a healthy Cowen is something I am sure Ananheim would want but they would be unlikely to gamble on him. That means their attention switches to our forwards (which is actually better for us), or our goalies which means Lehner (because you don't give up Corey Perry to get Ben Bishop).
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+1 #40 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-14 13:44
Quoting spezzafan19:
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
As already stated, any GM who does not ask about Perry when times comes, should be canned. There are great players and then there are elite players and he's elite.

But the Ducks won't be able to afford him, unless he goes for the home town discount. And honestly, when was the last time that ever happened. It's funny cause people bring it up all the time, but outside of Alfredsson doing that the year the Sens were sold, you just don't see players do it often, not top level stars anyway.

It's been said that Anaheim is losing it's luster with players, they aren't on the up and up these days, many older players on the roster. It won't be long before you start to hear rebuild again, which actually started rumbling last year. Outside of Perry and Getzlaf who are UFA's in 2013/14, Hiller in 2014/15 they have many 2012/13 UFA's, most of which won't get signed such as Selänne, Allen, Beauchemin, Koivu, Staubitz and Winnik. Not that it's a huge issue, if anything that will free up the space. But would they want to drop that experience to sign Perry, or go the rebuild direction?

That being said, I'd expect Anaheim to trade him and get what they can before he signs elsewhere for nothing. Or have an agreement in place that it's a sign and trade type of situation. Regardless, Perry will cash in, even with the new contracts structure and he'll get max dollar and years available. It'll just depend on who can afford him.

If it's just money, Ottawa could find a spot for sure, which would all but end our rebuild/retool, as it would 100% involve 1st and 2nd round picks this year and next.


I keeping out of this discussion or I mean I am not chiming in on this subject.


Maybe we need a perryfan10, who would appreciate such a comment! lol
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0 #41 Sensnation 2013-01-14 13:45
Quoting AParadiseLost:
Murray just told the media he thinks Weircioch is NHL ready. (as per Steve Lloyd)

Can't say I'm surprised. He really put in the work over the summer and looked solid in Bingo.

So who else stays?


That's great to hear, he's really come a long way in the last year and a half. I love his 2way game, and that shot from the point could be even better at the NHL level.

As for who else, I personally think Weircioch, Karlsson and Gonchar would give us enough puck moving ability, that I would rather have a hard tough dman like Boro or Gryba as our 6th/7th. But if for some reason Ceci can play at the NHL level, let him have it.

To me Benoit is just an injury emergence call-up if we need PP help.
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0 #42 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-14 13:46
Quoting The Apostle:
Any potential stumbling block for a Perry trade could be which roster players they might want as well as the picks (i don't think giving up picks would phase Murray in this particular deal).

I could see them asking for Smith (easy yes on our part), Zbad (easy yes) or Cowan, especially as they have just lost Schultz. Cowan might be difficult to part with, Ottawa isn't that deep on quality shut down blueliners.


As part of my last comment, where it would take 1st and 2nd round picks, I neglected to mention roster players in that mix. But I figured it was obvious. So yes, that's also a deterrent to making such a trade.
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+6 #43 The Apostle 2013-01-14 13:47
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:


Maybe we need a perryfan10, who would appreciate such a comment! lol


I think most of us appreciate Spezzafan19 staying out of various conversations, especially when he joins the conversation to tell us he's staying out of it.
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+3 #44 I11-1II-11I1 2013-01-14 13:59
Quoting The Apostle:

especially when he joins the conversation to tell us he's staying out of it.



LMAO
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0 #45 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-14 14:25
I saw the waiver reports. I just noticed now that Thomas Hickey is one of the players waived. He was once a highly touted draft pick in LA. He's had a few bumps and bruises a long the way, and is small in size, but he's a puck mover and could be had for cheap. Two season's of 20+ points in Manchester. But I'm sure there are reason's he's being waived that Ottawa may not want to consider. Could be a solid replacement in Bingo though.
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0 #46 DenisVial 2013-01-14 14:28
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
I saw the waiver reports. I just noticed now that Thomas Hickey is one of the players waived. He was once a highly touted draft pick in LA. He's had a few bumps and bruises a long the way, and is small in size, but he's a puck mover and could be had for cheap. Two season's of 20+ points in Manchester. But I'm sure there are reason's he's being waived that Ottawa may not want to consider. Could be a solid replacement in Bingo though.


If he is picked up on waivers he has to stay with the big club. I believe only re-entry waivers were removed to protect players when they are re-called. I don't think that's the message Murray would want to send to our Bingo boys.
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