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Wednesday, 19 September 2012 06:16

Spezza Signs in Switzerland

National Hockey League players have been locked out for the past four days and there hasn't been the slightest indication of progress between the NHL and NHLPA.

This morning, a report out of the Swiss League indicated that Sens star Jason Spezza has agreed to a contract with the Rapperswil Lakers of the Swiss Elite League. 

The Rapperswil Lakers roster includes the likes of former NHL goaltender David Aebischer and one-time Leafs prospect Robbie Earl.  Doug Gilmour also spent some time there during the lockout in 1994.

With each announcement of where a player plans to spend the lockout it becomes increasingly clear the players are in this for the long haul.  Capitals forward Alex Ovechkin, who will play in the KHL during the lockout, indicated that he is ready to spend the whole season in Russia if need be.

Good news is the Binghamton Senators begin their camp in the next few days and plenty of prospects and current Sens are expected to be present.

  • According to Andy Strickland, the Senators are hoping they'll be able to send Ben Bishop to Binghamton when the AHL season starts.  Bishop is on a one way contract this season.
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+5 #1 HNIC Snoopy 2012-09-19 07:58
Hope this is not a sign of an exodus by many NHL players !

Then again, these guys need to stay in game form, and Europe seems to be the destination of most of the players.

Sandy may not like this, but there are not too many alternatives to go to !!
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+2 #2 conservativeHippie 2012-09-19 08:25
My question is this:

Is there any mechanism that FORCES players to play in the NHL when the lockout is over? Not so much for Spezza (would assume Swiss league pays no where close to NHL), but the KHL players are probably pulling in some serious coin. Why would Gonchar, Malkin, Ovi come back to the NHL and not just prove a point by staying overseas?
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+1 #3 The Apostle 2012-09-19 08:29
The mechanism is that they would be in breach of contract if a new CBA is signed and they refused to show for their NHL teams. Presumably they could then be sued by the NHL, their parent organisation and possibly the NHLPA.

That doesn't FORCE them to come back but it does provide an incentive.
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+1 #4 TheGritty3rdLiner 2012-09-19 08:47
Spezza staying sharp during this debacle is a good thing. During the last lockout he did very well and came back to the NHL the next year with fantastic numbers (90 in 68).
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+3 #5 miguel 2012-09-19 08:48
After catching up on some of the posts, I have to agree with Rush on which the debate of owners vs players.
Is it not fair to say that already the players live a very much priveledged life, with playing the greatest sport in the world; being chartered all over the world to see some of the best cities in the world; being treated like rock stars everywhere you go; and getting paid more than the average person will earn in a lifetime.

Yet how dare anybody ask them to stop the insanity of high salaries, ahd high ticket prices!

Bottom line is, they do have this privelegded life, that they have earned, but the owners who pay the salaries say that they will not continue to pay that amount anymore.

So why should these priveledged prima donna's get any better treatment than the average worker.

If my employee decided that they were not going to pay me what I think I am worth, then my only option is to leave an go elsewhare to see if I can earn more.

So please NHL players go elsewhere to earn the milliions you are earning today.

Irony is that they are willing to play for fans all over Europe for much less, than they are willing to play for fans who have paid them all their Millions that they have in the bank today.

My question is to the players, do yo think it is fair that you ply your trade for half the price to European fans, and it will cost me more than double to watch you here at Scotiabank place.
This to me is the ultimate slap in the face to all of us North Americaan Fans,

Rush I agree, enough is enough, lock out these greedy jerks for as many years as it takes, to bring my cost to the games down to $100 for an entire family, as opposed to $300.

NHL players you can rot in Siberia for all I care, now I beg the owners to fix this once and for all, even if it means shutting down for 2 years!
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0 #6 Dirk Diggler 2012-09-19 09:20
This season is going to be cancelled! Oh well, I will just play ice hockey and ball hockey a lot more
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-1 #7 jakester 2012-09-19 09:49
You can lump Spezza in with Nash as a Dufus looking to steal jobs. They'd be crying BLUE MURDER if replacement players were used here!
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-1 #8 jakester 2012-09-19 09:50
Maybe he'll learn not to cough the puck up as much in Europe!
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+2 #9 TheGritty3rdLiner 2012-09-19 09:54
Did anyone have a problem wityh Spezza going down to Bingo in 04/05 to steal someone's job? You really think Spezza, or any other player for that matter, is trying to purposely bump a player off the team? It's harsh, but it's business. Those teams are willing to let the NHLers play for them; the NHLers aren't forcing their way onto those teams.
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+1 #10 miguel 2012-09-19 10:02
Quoting TheGritty3rdLiner:
Did anyone have a problem wityh Spezza going down to Bingo in 04/05 to steal someone's job? You really think Spezza, or any other player for that matter, is trying to purposely bump a player off the team? It's harsh, but it's business. Those teams are willing to let the NHLers play for them; the NHLers aren't forcing their way onto those teams.


ok so it is ok for these Millionaires, not to lose a paycheque, while fighting for their cause of not playing for less money ( yet they play for less in Europe... oh the fukin irony ), while the likes of Condra and O'Brien, who make so much less, and really cannot afford the lockout, are stuck here on the front lines fighting the cause.

This is so much BS it makes me freakin sick. lock them out for this year, and each the the percentage of sharing goes down by %10.
We as fans will be the winners as the prices will come back down to $20 a game... GO OWNERS GO!!!!
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0 #11 Patrick 2.0 2012-09-19 10:21
Quoting miguel:
Quoting TheGritty3rdLiner:
Did anyone have a problem wityh Spezza going down to Bingo in 04/05 to steal someone's job? You really think Spezza, or any other player for that matter, is trying to purposely bump a player off the team? It's harsh, but it's business. Those teams are willing to let the NHLers play for them; the NHLers aren't forcing their way onto those teams.


ok so it is ok for these Millionaires, not to lose a paycheque, while fighting for their cause of not playing for less money ( yet they play for less in Europe... oh the fukin irony ), while the likes of Condra and O'Brien, who make so much less, and really cannot afford the lockout, are stuck here on the front lines fighting the cause.

This is so much BS it makes me freakin sick. lock them out for this year, and each the the percentage of sharing goes down by %10.
We as fans will be the winners as the prices will come back down to $20 a game... GO OWNERS GO!!!!


Don't get me wrong, I'm on the same side as you. The owners should own their own league, make their own rules, and the players have the options of playing wherever they would like. I've never been a big fan of "unions"; I work for the government and have my share of it, I don't need to be forced to strike for my share of the pie, I would much rather be paid what I'm worth because of what I have proven to my employer...and if they didn't treat me right then I can go look elsewhere.

On the other hand, you ask if it is "ok" for these millionaire players to be doing what they are doing to the "little" guys...answer.. .yes, it is within' their rights...life's not fair sometimes...sad truth...
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0 #12 scocamp 2012-09-19 10:24
why an agreement can't be found with this cba is crazy!. Having something closer to a 50/50 split, and still be able to apply some form of revenue sharing to bridge the gap between wealthy teams and poorer teams... seems simple and fair. I wonder why they aren't asking me for my opinion? :)

I dislike both sides, but I find the players are looking worse in this whole debacle.
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+1 #13 Sensnation 2012-09-19 10:26
Quoting miguel:
Quoting TheGritty3rdLiner:
Did anyone have a problem wityh Spezza going down to Bingo in 04/05 to steal someone's job? You really think Spezza, or any other player for that matter, is trying to purposely bump a player off the team? It's harsh, but it's business. Those teams are willing to let the NHLers play for them; the NHLers aren't forcing their way onto those teams.


ok so it is ok for these Millionaires, not to lose a paycheque, while fighting for their cause of not playing for less money ( yet they play for less in Europe... oh the fukin irony ), while the likes of Condra and O'Brien, who make so much less, and really cannot afford the lockout, are stuck here on the front lines fighting the cause.

This is so much BS it makes me freakin sick. lock them out for this year, and each the the percentage of sharing goes down by %10.
We as fans will be the winners as the prices will come back down to $20 a game... GO OWNERS GO!!!!


No part of this CBA involves reducing ticket prices. The owners aren't going to pass on their savings. At most they'll have a discount at first just to win fans back fast. Go to Florida and you can see a game for 10$, the price of tickets is based on supply and demand, not player salaries.
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0 #14 miguel 2012-09-19 10:29
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting miguel:
Quoting TheGritty3rdLiner:
Did anyone have a problem wityh Spezza going down to Bingo in 04/05 to steal someone's job? You really think Spezza, or any other player for that matter, is trying to purposely bump a player off the team? It's harsh, but it's business. Those teams are willing to let the NHLers play for them; the NHLers aren't forcing their way onto those teams.


ok so it is ok for these Millionaires, not to lose a paycheque, while fighting for their cause of not playing for less money ( yet they play for less in Europe... oh the fukin irony ), while the likes of Condra and O'Brien, who make so much less, and really cannot afford the lockout, are stuck here on the front lines fighting the cause.

This is so much BS it makes me freakin sick. lock them out for this year, and each the the percentage of sharing goes down by %10.
We as fans will be the winners as the prices will come back down to $20 a game... GO OWNERS GO!!!!


No part of this CBA involves reducing ticket prices. The owners aren't going to pass on their savings. At most they'll have a discount at first just to win fans back fast. Go to Florida and you can see a game for 10$, the price of tickets is based on supply and demand, not player salaries.


do you think Melnyk could afford keep the team here at $10 per ticket?
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0 #15 TheGritty3rdLiner 2012-09-19 10:38
Quoting miguel:
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting miguel:
Quoting TheGritty3rdLiner:
Did anyone have a problem wityh Spezza going down to Bingo in 04/05 to steal someone's job? You really think Spezza, or any other player for that matter, is trying to purposely bump a player off the team? It's harsh, but it's business. Those teams are willing to let the NHLers play for them; the NHLers aren't forcing their way onto those teams.


ok so it is ok for these Millionaires, not to lose a paycheque, while fighting for their cause of not playing for less money ( yet they play for less in Europe... oh the fukin irony ), while the likes of Condra and O'Brien, who make so much less, and really cannot afford the lockout, are stuck here on the front lines fighting the cause.

This is so much BS it makes me freakin sick. lock them out for this year, and each the the percentage of sharing goes down by %10.
We as fans will be the winners as the prices will come back down to $20 a game... GO OWNERS GO!!!!


No part of this CBA involves reducing ticket prices. The owners aren't going to pass on their savings. At most they'll have a discount at first just to win fans back fast. Go to Florida and you can see a game for 10$, the price of tickets is based on supply and demand, not player salaries.


do you think Melnyk could afford keep the team here at $10 per ticket?


No, and that goes for most of the teams in this league.
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+2 #16 Sensnation 2012-09-19 10:51
Quoting miguel:
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting miguel:
Quoting TheGritty3rdLiner:
Did anyone have a problem wityh Spezza going down to Bingo in 04/05 to steal someone's job? You really think Spezza, or any other player for that matter, is trying to purposely bump a player off the team? It's harsh, but it's business. Those teams are willing to let the NHLers play for them; the NHLers aren't forcing their way onto those teams.


ok so it is ok for these Millionaires, not to lose a paycheque, while fighting for their cause of not playing for less money ( yet they play for less in Europe... oh the fukin irony ), while the likes of Condra and O'Brien, who make so much less, and really cannot afford the lockout, are stuck here on the front lines fighting the cause.

This is so much BS it makes me freakin sick. lock them out for this year, and each the the percentage of sharing goes down by %10.
We as fans will be the winners as the prices will come back down to $20 a game... GO OWNERS GO!!!!


No part of this CBA involves reducing ticket prices. The owners aren't going to pass on their savings. At most they'll have a discount at first just to win fans back fast. Go to Florida and you can see a game for 10$, the price of tickets is based on supply and demand, not player salaries.


do you think Melnyk could afford keep the team here at $10 per ticket?


No, the teams that are that low are the struggling ones. I'm not debating that the league can operate at 10$ tickets, I'm just saying your not getting the savings passed onto you from the owners.
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0 #17 puck47 2012-09-19 11:05
I thought the NHL teams were a business not a socialist entity. I do not agree with a team that cannot make a go of it taking a share of the other teams profits. If a team cannot make it on their own then fold or move elsewhere where fans will attend a hockey game. Oh, I forgot, Bettman wants all the teams in the US because that is where the money is. He forgot that the southern states are all about football and basketball.
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+1 #18 TheGritty3rdLiner 2012-09-19 11:10
Quoting puck47:
I thought the NHL teams were a business not a socialist entity. I do not agree with a team that cannot make a go of it taking a share of the other teams profits. If a team cannot make it on their own then fold or move elsewhere where fans will attend a hockey game. Oh, I forgot, Bettman wants all the teams in the US because that is where the money is. He forgot that the southern states are all about football and basketball.


The NFL and MLB have both benefited greatly from revenue sharing, and it would greatly help many teams in he NHL too.
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-2 #19 Eklund 2012-09-19 11:39
In case you missed it, Tim Panaccio reported the details of one of the things that might come out of the current NHL lockout: NHL francophone players forming teams to play once or twice per week in locales around Quebec, with all proceeds being donated to charity. One team would represent Montreal, the other would represent Quebec City.
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-2 #20 Sandy 2012-09-19 11:52
No Sandy doesn't like the idea of ANY player going to Europe to take jobs away from those players making a hell of a lot less. Spezza one short week ago was bragging out the Union solidarity. Well the rich star players have a lot of solidarity - in Europe.

Andrew Ladd said the players are in this for the long haul. They want a fair deal.. That tells me they don't care about any damage they do to the NHL. They will play for pittance in Europe but refuse to take a 7% escrow to get a deal done in the NHL.

All I say is that he better not get a severe injury that hurts the Sens should the CBA be settled in short order... not that I think it will.

Pierre McGuire said this morning if these guys really want to play hockey instead of jumping to Europe 3 or 4 days into a lockout how about staying around and getting the CBA settled?

These players don't care who they put out of a job. Has one Senator player come out and say they feel for the workers at SBP who are being laid off or have their pay cut.

Did any of them say they feel sorry for the fans in all of this?

No one that I have heard.
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+1 #21 Sandy 2012-09-19 11:54
Brian Kilrea had a few choice words for both sides. It was during an interview with the Citizen. He doesn't mince words.

“I don’t know why the owners have to pay the salary and part of the percentage (of revenue),” he said. “If the owner pays you $7 million, that’s your salary. The owners’ profits shouldn’t have any bearing on it. And how many players are dissatisfied with their salary? That’s the question I would pose.”

Kilrea also believes the players who choose to skate in Europe during the lockout are undermining the strength of the union, while pushing some existing players off the teams they choose to sign with.

“They’re not really going to suffer,” he said. “There’s no hardship if they’re going to get paid.”

They are strong words, but Kilrea also has some harsh comments for the owners, who are doling out the huge deals to players.

Like many, he was shocked at the 14-year, $110-million U.S. offer sheet Philadelphia Flyers owner Ed Snider gave Nashville Predators defenceman Shea Weber in July. The deal included $68 million in signing bonuses during the first six years of the contract. Nashville was forced to match the offer in order to send a message to fans and players that it could be a competitive franchise, able to battle on equal footing with every other team. But survival in a non-traditional hockey market will be difficult because the salary goes against a more small-market business model.

The optics suggest the Flyers were trying to drive another team out of business, either by taking away their best player or by forcing them to spend money they don’t have to keep the player.

Those kinds of deals, Kilrea says, force the salary escalation that the owners are complaining about.

But you see in all of this.. neither side gives a damn about the damage they are doing to the NHL. The pure arrogance & greed are abundant throughout the Owners & the players.
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0 #22 Steeltown Sammy 2012-09-19 12:00
Quoting Eklund:
In case you missed it, Tim Panaccio reported the details of one of the things that might come out of the current NHL lockout: NHL francophone players forming teams to play once or twice per week in locales around Quebec, with all proceeds being donated to charity. One team would represent Montreal, the other would represent Quebec City.


Will they be playing for the Marianne Marois Cup ?
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+2 #23 chadillac 2012-09-19 12:24
Quoting jakester:
Maybe he'll learn not to cough the puck up as much in Europe!

I lump this into a meathead comment. Spezza also was 16th in the league in takeaways this year. Give credit where it is due and avoid jumping on with the bandwagon comments.
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0 #24 MethotToMyMadness 2012-09-19 12:34
My head is spinning from all of this, it's really too much info. Both sides have something they are fighting about, so I just wish all the players would stay put and dig down deep and do what they can to work out a deal. You don't see owners going elsewhere to make potential money, they are stuck working on a deal.

But the players (star players really) are able to pack up, continue playing elsewhere, make a little money on the side and nobody is supposed to get upset? As much as I like the idea of the Sens keeping in shape, they should be doing it here with the rest of the team. Hell, jump in and coach some of the local High School sports while your at it, lol.

I do have a question, what happened to the euro leagues only allowing players to sign if the agree to sign for the entire season? Was that only the Swedish league that said that, or was it also the KHL? And is that even happening, cause so many players have left already, they can't all be signed for the entire year.
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0 #25 Sensnation 2012-09-19 12:38
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
My head is spinning from all of this, it's really too much info. Both sides have something they are fighting about, so I just wish all the players would stay put and dig down deep and do what they can to work out a deal. You don't see owners going elsewhere to make potential money, they are stuck working on a deal.

But the players (star players really) are able to pack up, continue playing elsewhere, make a little money on the side and nobody is supposed to get upset? As much as I like the idea of the Sens keeping in shape, they should be doing it here with the rest of the team. Hell, jump in and coach some of the local High School sports while your at it, lol.

I do have a question, what happened to the euro leagues only allowing players to sign if the agree to sign for the entire season? Was that only the Swedish league that said that, or was it also the KHL? And is that even happening, cause so many players have left already, they can't all be signed for the entire year.


The full year thing so far is just the SEL to my knowledge. It doesn't even apply to the SEL2. The KHL has some stipulations, but so far they aren't requiring players to stay the whole year.
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+2 #26 Boschman16 2012-09-19 12:41
Wasn't the whole purpose of the CBA to protect the owners from themselves? I guess it wouldn't look good on Gary to stand at the podium and say "We're locking the players out because the last CBA was designed to protect the owners from themselves. Clearly that has not happened and GM's found a way to circumvent the CBA and offer up ludicrous amounts of money to the players, who I do not blame for taking it, to put us in the hole we're in how."
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-3 #27 jakester 2012-09-19 12:50
IF the players were loyal they'd be picketing in NEW YORK and sticking with their Union Rep instead of running to Europe. If I was the Chris Neil of a European League Team I'd run Spezza through the Boards - lets hope Spezz has a good insurance broker.

THere are guys who have committed to those leagues living there with their families who'll be bumped from their teams - doesn't seem fair.

Spezza will earn more on the interest of his millions in the bank. He should rent ice time here with the other guys and wait it out! A little disgusted by this. I hope the owners win this - not on the players side at all.
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0 #28 miguel 2012-09-19 12:57
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting miguel:
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting miguel:
Quoting TheGritty3rdLiner:
Did anyone have a problem wityh Spezza going down to Bingo in 04/05 to steal someone's job? You really think Spezza, or any other player for that matter, is trying to purposely bump a player off the team? It's harsh, but it's business. Those teams are willing to let the NHLers play for them; the NHLers aren't forcing their way onto those teams.


ok so it is ok for these Millionaires, not to lose a paycheque, while fighting for their cause of not playing for less money ( yet they play for less in Europe... oh the fukin irony ), while the likes of Condra and O'Brien, who make so much less, and really cannot afford the lockout, are stuck here on the front lines fighting the cause.

This is so much BS it makes me freakin sick. lock them out for this year, and each the the percentage of sharing goes down by %10.
We as fans will be the winners as the prices will come back down to $20 a game... GO OWNERS GO!!!!


No part of this CBA involves reducing ticket prices. The owners aren't going to pass on their savings. At most they'll have a discount at first just to win fans back fast. Go to Florida and you can see a game for 10$, the price of tickets is based on supply and demand, not player salaries.


do you think Melnyk could afford keep the team here at $10 per ticket?


No, the teams that are that low are the struggling ones. I'm not debating that the league can operate at 10$ tickets, I'm just saying your not getting the savings passed onto you from the owners.


Very true and completely agree, conversely if the players somehow continue to raise salaries... do you think the owners will gladly pay for that increase, or will it filter down to you and I, the fans?
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0 #29 Sensnation 2012-09-19 12:58
Company that owns the LA Kings is up for sale! They own a lot more than just the Kings, but makes me wonder if they're trying to maximize their return ahead of the downturn that will result from this lockout.
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+4 #30 spezzerman 2012-09-19 13:04
B-sens training camp roster announced.

http://www.binghamtonsenators.com/news/?article_id=1403
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+1 #31 Sensnation 2012-09-19 13:07
Quoting miguel:

Very true and completely agree, conversely if the players somehow continue to raise salaries... do you think the owners will gladly pay for that increase, or will it filter down to you and I, the fans?


Either way, it's not coming to the fans. This isn't a lockout about what's fair to the fan, it's more about who gets how much of our pie and why.

For salaries to keep rising, they need to keep increasing revenue. 1 way is raising ticket prices, but the other ways that will likely be concentrated on in the next 5-10 years are gaining more fans (sells more tickets & merchandise & corporate sponsorships) and then better national and international TV contracts, which again will come with more fans. Growing the fan base, not the ticket price, is the answer for both sides, imo. Once you have the fans filling all/most of the buildings every night, then you can raise ticket prices. Though a lockout is completely against this model.

But it's the owners that set the ticket prices based on their market. Leafs tickets aren't so expensive because the players make so much. Whether player salaries were 50% of revenue or even 10%, Leafs games would still be ridiculously expensive to go to and will only get worse ... not that anyone should want to go to one of those ;)
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0 #32 Sensnation 2012-09-19 13:09
Is Ben Bishop not allowed to play in the AHL? Surprised he wasn't on the camp roster, I'd have thought that would be the perfect time to judge him vs Lehner.
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0 #33 miguel 2012-09-19 13:12
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting miguel:

Very true and completely agree, conversely if the players somehow continue to raise salaries... do you think the owners will gladly pay for that increase, or will it filter down to you and I, the fans?


Either way, it's not coming to the fans. This isn't a lockout about what's fair to the fan, it's more about who gets how much of our pie and why.

For salaries to keep rising, they need to keep increasing revenue. 1 way is raising ticket prices, but the other ways that will likely be concentrated on in the next 5-10 years are gaining more fans (sells more tickets & merchandise & corporate sponsorships) and then better national and international TV contracts, which again will come with more fans. Growing the fan base, not the ticket price, is the answer for both sides, imo. Once you have the fans filling all/most of the buildings every night, then you can raise ticket prices. Though a lockout is completely against this model.

But it's the owners that set the ticket prices based on their market. Leafs tickets aren't so expensive because the players make so much. Whether player salaries were 50% of revenue or even 10%, Leafs games would still be ridiculously expensive to go to and will only get worse ... not that anyone should want to go to one of those ;)


Yes thanks Sensation, you make some excellent points,
however, when the cap floor goes up, then the ticket prices will have to go up, if fans stop coming... say bye to your team. So only the big market teams will survive, if they do not get their costs in order, so I say here is the chance to fix them once and for all, even if it takes two years of a lockout... IMO,
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-1 #34 Sensnation 2012-09-19 13:17
Quoting miguel:

Yes thanks Sensation, you make some excellent points,
however, when the cap floor goes up, then the ticket prices will have to go up, if fans stop coming... say bye to your team. So only the big market teams will survive, if they do not get their costs in order, so I say here is the chance to fix them once and for all, even if it takes two years of a lockout... IMO,


I agree Miguel, both sides need to work together to find a solution that's viable league wide, much like the NFL and MLB have, and does not require a lockout every 6 yrs or so. If only Bettman knew another tactic to negotiate with. He always plays his pocket aces on the flop despite the straight flush draw still out there this time.
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0 #35 MethotToMyMadness 2012-09-19 13:25
Quoting spezzerman:
B-sens training camp roster announced.

http://www.binghamtonsenators.com/news/?article_id=1403


Wow, I like that roster for tryouts. You can kinda see who will the core of the team will be and I like what I'm seeing. But it makes me wonder, when a guy like Cowen makes the team, will they keep aside another D just incase the lockout ends early and Cowen heads back to Ottawa? I expect they are considering that right?
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+2 #36 zachpraisetheswedes 2012-09-19 13:29
People need to stop crying about nhlers taking jobs away from europeans.

They are the best players in the world and busted their asses to be just that.

They've earned the right to play wherever they choose.

Yes they will bump a player out of a job but most likely the worst player on that team. I say...too bad so sad. If you want a job, get better and then your job will be safe.

Nhlers can and will play wherver they want. They've earned it. End of story!
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0 #37 miguel 2012-09-19 13:35
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting miguel:

Yes thanks Sensation, you make some excellent points,
however, when the cap floor goes up, then the ticket prices will have to go up, if fans stop coming... say bye to your team. So only the big market teams will survive, if they do not get their costs in order, so I say here is the chance to fix them once and for all, even if it takes two years of a lockout... IMO,


I agree Miguel, both sides need to work together to find a solution that's viable league wide, much like the NFL and MLB have, and does not require a lockout every 6 yrs or so. If only Bettman knew another tactic to negotiate with. He always plays his pocket aces on the flop despite the straight flush draw still out there this time.


Nice Sensation...ver y well put :),
its time to put down the poker cards, and get to some real negotiations, or this will be a very very long lockout!
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0 #38 freebird 2012-09-19 13:48
Quoting zachpraisetheswedes:
Sandy is the new Hax...

Feels like he owns this blog and has to post a million times a day

Get a life


FREEBIRD !
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0 #39 Sandy 2012-09-19 13:58
Quoting zachpraisetheswedes:
Sandy is the new Hax...

Feels like he owns this blog and has to post a million times a day

Get a life


Hello.. I'm retired. I put my time in in the workforce kid..... and since when do you 'own' this blog.
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-1 #40 Sandy 2012-09-19 14:01
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting miguel:

Very true and completely agree, conversely if the players somehow continue to raise salaries... do you think the owners will gladly pay for that increase, or will it filter down to you and I, the fans?


Either way, it's not coming to the fans. This isn't a lockout about what's fair to the fan, it's more about who gets how much of our pie and why.

For salaries to keep rising, they need to keep increasing revenue. 1 way is raising ticket prices, but the other ways that will likely be concentrated on in the next 5-10 years are gaining more fans (sells more tickets & merchandise & corporate sponsorships) and then better national and international TV contracts, which again will come with more fans. Growing the fan base, not the ticket price, is the answer for both sides, imo. Once you have the fans filling all/most of the buildings every night, then you can raise ticket prices. Though a lockout is completely against this model.

But it's the owners that set the ticket prices based on their market. Leafs tickets aren't so expensive because the players make so much. Whether player salaries were 50% of revenue or even 10%, Leafs games would still be ridiculously expensive to go to and will only get worse ... not that anyone should want to go to one of those ;)


How are they going to grow fans.. or TV contracts when every 7 yrs or so they have a work stoppage. They are not a stable league anymore for a big investment from TV networks or sponsors.
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0 #41 Sandy 2012-09-19 14:03
Quoting zachpraisetheswedes:
Sandy is the new Hax...

Feels like he owns this blog and has to post a million times a day

Get a life



And the HE you refer to is a SHE.
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-1 #42 TrueSensFan 2012-09-19 14:04
Quoting zachpraisetheswedes:
Sandy is the new Hax...

Feels like he owns this blog and has to post a million times a day

Get a life


Pretty sure it is you that needs to get a life since you seem to have so much time on your hands, you spend it worrying what others are doing with theirs......
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0 #43 Sensnation 2012-09-19 14:07
Quoting Sandy:

How are they going to grow fans.. or TV contracts when every 7 yrs or so they have a work stoppage. They are not a stable league anymore for a big investment from TV networks or sponsors.


That's the point, revenue sharing among teams and fixing this problem once and for all will hopefully allow 10+yr CBAs with no needs for a lockout EVERY TIME.

Everyone complains about Fehr being the guy who lost the Expos the MLB championship. What few don't realize is they haven't had a single lockout since and the league is healthier than it has ever been.

Fehr shows up to fix the core overall problem, not bandaid over it like Bettman wants to do. Yes he's hired to get the players the best deal he can, but he also wants the business as a whole to progress forward in a healthy CBA for all.

If this lockout takes 6-18months, but they come out of it with both sides financially secure as well as all franchises reasonably viable, it could be worth it longterm. Doesn't help the sting to the fans though!
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-1 #44 miguel 2012-09-19 14:11
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting zachpraisetheswedes:
Sandy is the new Hax...

Feels like he owns this blog and has to post a million times a day

Get a life


Hello.. I'm retired. I put my time in in the workforce kid..... and since when do you 'own' this blog.


Hey Zach appreciate many of your posts bud, but that was a little harsh... and Sandy does provide some very good matrerial here too.., keep it up Sandy
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-1 #45 jakester 2012-09-19 14:51
Well said Miguel.
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0 #46 jakester 2012-09-19 14:55
Wow what a roster in Bingo tryouts - some pretty decent players won't be making that team. Look at the D-men - who doesn't make the top 7.
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0 #47 Sensnation 2012-09-19 15:21
Quoting jakester:
Wow what a roster in Bingo tryouts - some pretty decent players won't be making that team. Look at the D-men - who doesn't make the top 7.


Interesting situation for sure. I'd imagine Borowiecki, Cowen, Gryba, Wiercioch, Claesson and Benoit are guaranteed to be in the AHL. I'd expect Blood and Wideman to be the front runners to join them. Who do you like?
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+3 #48 Kratos83 2012-09-19 15:25
Ceci named co captain of the 67's...another reason to def go see the 67 games..if you needed more reasons.
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+1 #49 Muckalt 2012-09-19 15:29
By analogy, I picture two people trying to share the flow from a water well, but they can't decide how to split it up. Rather than collecting the water and setting it aside to determine how to share it later, they cap the well during the fight. Meanwhile, the water dissipates and is no longer available to either of them by the time they are done fighting.

I don't understand why the NHL and NHLPA can't agree to operate the business and collect the revenues, split revenue sharing portion 40 percent each, and put 20 percent aside. They can then fight over how to share the 20 percent rather than losing 100 percent of the revenue in the meantime. Maybe it is too complex for me to understand, but in my business we always try to preserve the status quo and argue only over the disputed funds which are held in the meantime. Here, the fight appears to be over the 7 percent between 50 and 57. The dollars they are losing if games are cancelled are gone forever. I am sure there are many complexities but there must be a way for them to generate the revenue while fighting over the disputed profit. I can't believe that the leverage the owners gain by their current approach would outweigh the loss of revenues. But then I am just a simple fan.
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-3 #50 Sandy 2012-09-19 15:42
Baseball has no salary cap. You know in March which teams are going to make the playoffs.

It's an unbalanced league with the 6 or 7 rich teams and the rest more or less farm teams of the rich.

Do you want that in the NHL? I sure don't. I want a competitive league.. Fehr does not.

MLB also have probably 5 times or more the revenue than the NHL. Whatever he is suggesting to the players won't work in the NHL.

Fehr has these players brainwashed to this. Look at me.. I fixed the MLB so they have no more work stoppages.. but he neglects to tell them only about a quarter of the players realize any success with their teams.

He tries to get that in the NHL the only way revenue is going to go ... is down.

Fehr wants what is good for Fehr not the NHL.

Nash is telling the reporters in Switzerland that this lockout is for a year. So that tells me the players have no intention of signing any deal this season at all.

My guess is Fehr has told them to stay out as long as it takes to get what they want. Screw the damage to the NHL. Screw to the fans and those workers who are out of a job.

Ovechkin is saying if he gets his NHL pay cut at all, he is staying in Russia after the CBA is settled.

This just goes to prove a point.. how out of touch these guys are and how little they really care about the NHL or its' fans.
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0 #51 Sandy 2012-09-19 15:44
Quoting Muckalt:
By analogy, I picture two people trying to share the flow from a water well, but they can't decide how to split it up. Rather than collecting the water and setting it aside to determine how to share it later, they cap the well during the fight. Meanwhile, the water dissipates and is no longer available to either of them by the time they are done fighting.

I don't understand why the NHL and NHLPA can't agree to operate the business and collect the revenues, split revenue sharing portion 40 percent each, and put 20 percent aside. They can then fight over how to share the 20 percent rather than losing 100 percent of the revenue in the meantime. Maybe it is too complex for me to understand, but in my business we always try to preserve the status quo and argue only over the disputed funds which are held in the meantime. Here, the fight appears to be over the 7 percent between 50 and 57. The dollars they are losing if games are cancelled are gone forever. I am sure there are many complexities but there must be a way for them to generate the revenue while fighting over the disputed profit. I can't believe that the leverage the owners gain by their current approach would outweigh the loss of revenues. But then I am just a simple fan.



Good post.
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+1 #52 Sensnation 2012-09-19 15:52
@Sandy

You keep repeating your same argument all day every day, making assumptions that aren't true and discounting the facts in everyone else's arguments and spewing half truths.

Yes baseball is not perfect, but it is not true that you know who will make the playoffs in the spring, and if you followed that sport more I'd expect you'd see how much that statement has changed (see Philly, Boston, Detroit, LA Angels...). And again, I'm not saying go to a no-cap league, I'm saying look at the models other leagues have used for revenue sharing between teams. (NFL shares 60-80% of all team revenues depending on type, MLB ~31% plus luxury taxes, NHL needs to get significant with their percentages.

Hating Fehr because you assume he told the players to stick to their values and beliefs is hating him for doing his job.

Anyways, I know where you stand and you know where I stand, so I don't think it's worth adding much more to this.
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0 #53 Sensnation 2012-09-19 15:57
Quoting Muckalt:
By analogy, I picture two people trying to share the flow from a water well, but they can't decide how to split it up. Rather than collecting the water and setting it aside to determine how to share it later, they cap the well during the fight. Meanwhile, the water dissipates and is no longer available to either of them by the time they are done fighting.

I don't understand why the NHL and NHLPA can't agree to operate the business and collect the revenues, split revenue sharing portion 40 percent each, and put 20 percent aside. They can then fight over how to share the 20 percent rather than losing 100 percent of the revenue in the meantime. Maybe it is too complex for me to understand, but in my business we always try to preserve the status quo and argue only over the disputed funds which are held in the meantime. Here, the fight appears to be over the 7 percent between 50 and 57. The dollars they are losing if games are cancelled are gone forever. I am sure there are many complexities but there must be a way for them to generate the revenue while fighting over the disputed profit. I can't believe that the leverage the owners gain by their current approach would outweigh the loss of revenues. But then I am just a simple fan.


It's all about playing the cards you have. Bettman's biggest card to play and put pressure on the players is to lock them out. It's rare locked out players won't cave before the owners.

Also, Bettman worries, maybe rightly or wrongly, that if he hadn't locked out the players at some point Fehr could get fed up and strike with the players, which again puts control back in the players hands. It's a game of posturing and pretending your side is unbeatable ... in the end it's a complete joke as a negotiation tactic, let alone a partnership.

If Bettman hadn't locked out the players and at some point they went on strike, I'd say that's a pathetic strategy too, fyi.
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0 #54 TheGritty3rdLiner 2012-09-19 16:29
My predicted B-Sens roster at the start of the year:

Goalies:

Lehner,
Lawson(really don't know)

Defense:

Cowen
Borowiecki
Wiercioch
Gryba
Benoit
Claesson
(7th man) Wideman

Forwards:

Silfverberg
Prince
Hoffman
Zibanejad
Da Costa
Pageau
Stone
Petersson
Grant
Hamilton
Caporusso
Culek
(13th man) Cowick
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+1 #55 Sandy 2012-09-19 16:32
Well according to LeBrun -- one of the Governor's told him some Owners are starting to get concerned with the fans anger. Maybe they see more than they did the last time -- or am I assuming too much?

Now -- who will cave first?
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0 #56 Sandy 2012-09-19 16:37
I don't like Fehr and I don't like Bettman. I really don't trust either of them.

All I see is delay tactics on the side of the NHLPA - for not even considering starting all of this in January to give them 9 mos to get this done rather than 2 and a 1/2.

The stubbornness of both sides.. is not good for an early resolution for this mess.

Most so-called experts feel it will end up 50-50 and some are saying both sides know that but they aren't prepared to show the best offer they have just yet.

I don't like what is happening.. I'm frustrated with the whole process.

Maybe after actually going to see the 67's tomorrow night.. will settle me somewhat.

Maybe it should be.. they don't care about me as a fan.. so why should I care about them..
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+2 #57 spezzerman 2012-09-19 17:19
Quoting Sandy:
Well according to LeBrun -- one of the Governor's told him some Owners are starting to get concerned with the fans anger. Maybe they see more than they did the last time -- or am I assuming too much?

Now -- who will cave first?


Social media has provided a much stronger voice for fans since 04/05 so that may have something to do with it. Fans last time could come to grips with a lockout because salaries were ridiculous, the league was losing money - something had to be done.

Now salaries are still ridiculous, only a couple teams are making money, the NHL is wasting all the money from HBO, increased ticket revenue, winter classics, NBC deals etc on propping up dead weight franchises but decide that a lockout is that only hurts fans (certainly not the owners and apparently not the players) is the best course of action.

I have not read any smart hockey mind rationalize a lockout as a justified response. So F-ing right the fans are angry. This makes no sense. The NHL and NHLPA are incompetent and they are taking hockey away from the fans for absolutely no logical reason.
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+2 #58 spezzerman 2012-09-19 17:28
Sandy - where did you get that from Lebrun re; a governors comments?

I checked around and couldnt find anything. I did find this nice little tidbit from a live chat he did earlier today. Questions was posed by "Bob" from OTtawa. Any chance Bob is a Senschirper?

Hey Pierre. Talk about the Senators. I'm really loving the move Murray is doing, locking up Turris and Zach Smith... at reasonable rates also. Do you see them having a bright future? Any pressing needs?
Pierre LeBrun (1:40 PM)

Love their future. Bryan Murray has done a superb job turing this core around. Paul MacLean was an rock-star hiring behind the bench. Jared Cowen was a stud defensively last season _ he didn't get as much attention as some flashier young teammates but I love his game. Good times ahead for Ottawa
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+4 #59 do due dew doodoo 2012-09-19 17:34
Quoting zachpraisetheswedes:
Sandy is the new Hax...

Feels like he owns this blog and has to post a million times a day

Get a life


You're actually complaining about someone who is posting some pretty good hockey talk in a hockey blog ????

Look in the mirror to see who actually needs to "get a life"
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+1 #60 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-09-19 18:14
More from Corey Pronman

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1381

Interesting to see that Shane Prince made the top 100. He's a good prospect.

Mika top 15 :)
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+1 #61 SensChirp 2012-09-19 18:22
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
More from Corey Pronman

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1381

Interesting to see that Shane Prince made the top 100. He's a good prospect.

Mika top 15 :)

Five Sens in the Top 100. Important to also keep in mind that Pronman ranks goalies very low on his list. Lehner is definitely a Top 100 prospect right now.
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-1 #62 Sandy 2012-09-19 18:57
Quoting spezzerman:
Sandy - where did you get that from Lebrun re; a governors comments?

I checked around and couldnt find anything. I did find this nice little tidbit from a live chat he did earlier today. Questions was posed by "Bob" from OTtawa. Any chance Bob is a Senschirper?

Hey Pierre. Talk about the Senators. I'm really loving the move Murray is doing, locking up Turris and Zach Smith... at reasonable rates also. Do you see them having a bright future? Any pressing needs?
Pierre LeBrun (1:40 PM)

Love their future. Bryan Murray has done a superb job turing this core around. Paul MacLean was an rock-star hiring behind the bench. Jared Cowen was a stud defensively last season _ he didn't get as much attention as some flashier young teammates but I love his game. Good times ahead for Ottawa


I saw the comment on GM Hockey I believe. It was something he said in a radio interview...
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0 #63 Sandy 2012-09-19 19:01
One more sleep to see the 67's. Excited to see hockey live again.

So pre-season games cancelled.. as soon as the October games are cancelled I get my reservations for Binghamton.

Can hardly wait for that either. I'm glad Murray didn't send a lot of players down there... leaving the young prospects the proper time to develop and not put the team in a panic mode should the lockout get settled... not that I expect it to... with only Cowen & probably Silfverberg to come up to Ottawa.

I think I read somewhere today that Murray is considering sending Bishop down. I think the players eligible for the AHL have had to be on the 'clear day roster' last year.. is that correct? If so, was Bishop on there?
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0 #64 SensChirp 2012-09-19 19:03
Quoting Sandy:

I think I read somewhere today that Murray is considering sending Bishop down. I think the players eligible for the AHL have had to be on the 'clear day roster' last year.. is that correct? If so, was Bishop on there?

Perhaps you read it at the bottom of this post? :)

Bishop was on the clear day roster last year.
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0 #65 Sandy 2012-09-19 19:03
Quoting do due dew doodoo:
Quoting zachpraisetheswedes:
Sandy is the new Hax...

Feels like he owns this blog and has to post a million times a day

Get a life


You're actually complaining about someone who is posting some pretty good hockey talk in a hockey blog ????

Look in the mirror to see who actually needs to "get a life"



Thanks for that.. I tend sometime to go over things.. but it's more frustration and the only way to get my blood pressure down. Quite a few people trashing on Ovechkin on TSN.
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0 #66 Sandy 2012-09-19 19:06
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Sandy:

I think I read somewhere today that Murray is considering sending Bishop down. I think the players eligible for the AHL have had to be on the 'clear day roster' last year.. is that correct? If so, was Bishop on there?

Perhaps you read it at the bottom of this post? :)

Bishop was on the clear day roster last year.


Probably so... it's my memory I guess.
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-1 #67 Sandy 2012-09-19 19:15
Quoting spezzerman:
Quoting Sandy:
Well according to LeBrun -- one of the Governor's told him some Owners are starting to get concerned with the fans anger. Maybe they see more than they did the last time -- or am I assuming too much?

Now -- who will cave first?


Social media has provided a much stronger voice for fans since 04/05 so that may have something to do with it. Fans last time could come to grips with a lockout because salaries were ridiculous, the league was losing money - something had to be done.

Now salaries are still ridiculous, only a couple teams are making money, the NHL is wasting all the money from HBO, increased ticket revenue, winter classics, NBC deals etc on propping up dead weight franchises but decide that a lockout is that only hurts fans (certainly not the owners and apparently not the players) is the best course of action.

I have not read any smart hockey mind rationalize a lockout as a justified response. So F-ing right the fans are angry. This makes no sense. The NHL and NHLPA are incompetent and they are taking hockey away from the fans for absolutely no logical reason.



You are correct in that. But the fans are a lot angrier this time around as the reason for the lockout is not to fix a system.. but solely over money.

Ovechkin's comment about a lot of players won't come back if their salary is cut just proves that point whether he means it or not. Not the comments that should be said by a captain of an NHL team. I'm sure he's upset quite a few Caps fans.
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0 #68 timwrx 2012-09-19 19:32
Pretty stout looking roster. Gonna have to be some other teams in the AHL are looking stacked as well.
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0 #69 jakester 2012-09-19 19:35
I really think that Claessen is a diamond in the rough. He'll prove to be a steal. Also, watch Noesen this year I think it's his coming out party - he'll explode in Plymouth - watch the production from this guy. Goes to the net and can finish. I just hope that TSN and Sportsnet give us some AHL and Junior hockey to watch. If so , I don't care what the NHL does. Feel sorry for ALFIE though if it ends this way(would be one of my regrets).
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0 #70 jakester 2012-09-19 19:37
I guess Texas hold'em poker will gain again in popularity with hockey out! lol
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0 #71 Mat 2012-09-19 20:24
Quoting TheGritty3rdLiner:
My predicted B-Sens roster at the start of the year:

Goalies:

Lehner,
Lawson(really don't know)

Defense:

Cowen
Borowiecki
Wiercioch
Gryba
Benoit
Claesson
(7th man) Wideman

Forwards:

Silfverberg
Prince
Hoffman
Zibanejad
Da Costa
Pageau
Stone
Petersson
Grant
Hamilton
Caporusso
Culek
(13th man) Cowick


What do you suppose would be the lines? Lets all take a crack at it.
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0 #72 timwrx 2012-09-19 20:40
I think guys like Cowick, Hamilton end up in Elmira. Cannone will be in Binghamton. Jessiman probably 13th man.

Wideman and Blood could end up in Elmira as well. Eckford probably 6/7
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0 #73 Sandy 2012-09-19 20:46
Saw this on facebook:


Dear Mr. Bettman and Mr. Fehr,

I write this letter in frustration and with great disappointment at the developments which have taken place over the last few weeks.

As a passionate hockey fan, I have invested countless hours and more money than I’d like to admit in the National Hockey League. I have made sacrifices to watch and attend hundreds of (self assessed) crucial games. On numerous occasions, I’ve even missed birthday parties, family events, holiday celebrations, and even work!

As many fans go above and beyond the call of duty to support the National Hockey League, I am very disappointed to see that our dedication towards the sport is, once again, being taken for granted. Although I do understand the importance of the new CBA, I’m puzzled that it couldn’t be agreed upon during the long off-season months.

In the meantime, I hope that players and owners can set aside their differences and reach an agreement in an effort to salvage the upcoming 2012-13 season.

Hockey is a beautiful sport, and the NHL is truly blessed to have such an incredible following of devoted fans.

Don’t take us for granted. While we do not have a seat at the negotiating table, try to remember that we are here for the love of the sport, and that we have been supporting the NHL since its inception. The fans are as important as the players and the owners. Without us, there is no league. We deserve better than this.

-A Hockey Fan

Title: To Whom It May Concern
Category: Editor's Note
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0 #74 Mat 2012-09-19 21:07
This is what I got:

Hoffman Da Costa Stone
Prince Zibanejad Silfverberg
C. Schneider Grant Dziurzinski
Kramer Cannone Culek

Pageau/Jessiman

Cowen Benoit
Wiercioch Gryba
Borowiecki Wideman
Claesson

Lehner
Lawson

Line 1 and 2 are freaken sick. 1a and 1b. Our PP will be nuts with that much talent up front. Line 3 is a big, fast checking line option. 4th line has an option for muscle.

The big question mark is Pageau. The guy is hugely talented. He fully impressed at the development camp. But with a young and inexperienced team, we need to retain a certain number of AHL experienced players. Pageau would not be used efficiently on a 3rd or 4th line. And I don't think he's ahead of Hoffman or Prince in the depth chart.

I don't know that Kramer and Jessiman would ever be in the lineup together, unless the Sens were playing a bunch of goons.

That's my guess for now. Go ahead, pick me apart!
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+2 #75 Sandy 2012-09-19 21:40
Could they send Prince or Pageau back to the CHL if they play some AHL games?

Can hardly wait to go to Binghamton to see these guys...
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0 #76 jakester 2012-09-19 22:44
I think Pageau has to be 3rd line center for sure. Cannone might be ECHL bound or 13th forward. The guy is really talented - puck on a string and feisty for a little dude.
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0 #77 SensFanInMTL 2012-09-20 00:02
@ Sandy, do due dew doodoo, zachpraisethesw edes, Sensnation


See, this is what happens when there's no hockey.
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+2 #78 freebird 2012-09-20 00:33
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
@ Sandy, do due dew doodoo, zachpraisetheswedes, Sensnation


See, this is what happens when there's no hockey.


FREEBIRD !
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0 #79 TheGritty3rdLiner 2012-09-20 07:16
I think the B-Sens lines will be like this:

Silfverberg, Da Costa, Stone
Hoffman, Zibanejad, Prince
Caporusso, Pageau, Petersson
Culek, Grant, Hamilton

Cowen and Benoit
Borowiecki and Gryba
Wiercioch and Claesson

The forward situation will be very competitive because there are so many guys that could wind up on the team like Cannone, Jessiman, Schneider, Dzuirzynski, etc.
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0 #80 chadillac 2012-09-20 09:01
I thought of this this morning and became a little more disheartened with the lockout. If the players continue to drag this out and get more of what they want, wouldn't that affect the probability of another lockout 5-6 years from now??? UGH!!! I want hockey back!!!
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0 #81 383 2012-09-20 09:13
Does anyone know if there are meetings scheduled?!?

What's the hold up?!

Let's go Donny and Gary, back to the drawing board boys!!!

Holy Fack!
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0 #82 Smash_88 2012-09-20 09:25
So apparently Spezza got in a car accident this morning out on March Rd in Kanata... 5 cars involved, everyone was ok though
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+1 #83 Shibal07 2012-09-20 11:34
According to Murray, Zibanejad will be playing top 6 wing in Binghamton. We should expect Zibanejad to play with either petersson or Silfverberg in a top 6 line. I remember during the rookie tournament Zibanejad and petersson had some excellent chemistry when they played the chicago prospects.

Pageau has a good chance in making the team because the team really does not have a second line center, so he should be able to slot into that spot.
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0 #84 Mat 2012-09-20 12:05
Quoting Shibal07:
According to Murray, Zibanejad will be playing top 6 wing in Binghamton. We should expect Zibanejad to play with either petersson or Silfverberg in a top 6 line. I remember during the rookie tournament Zibanejad and petersson had some excellent chemistry when they played the chicago prospects.

Pageau has a good chance in making the team because the team really does not have a second line center, so he should be able to slot into that spot.


I heard they were going to test Zbad on the wing at the NHL level, and it would make sense to start this in Bingo, but this will create an interesting scenario for our top 6. if Pageau plays 2C (he's listed as a winger btw), then who out of this top 6 gets bumped?

Stone
Zibanejad
Silfverberg
Da Costa
Prince
Hoffman
Petersson

I know most of you will be tempted to say Andre P but as one of only two with legitimate AHL experience on the top 6, I think bumping him off would be a mistake... (Perhaps he'll be given permission to get a year contract in the SEL though).

But then, to me, Pageau is the odd man out.

I'm not sure wgat kind of 3rd line strategy we will be going with but with the influx of NHL caliber players coming down, we will need some 2 way checkers for sure.
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0 #85 dmare085 2012-09-20 12:26
Where's Stefan Noesen on the list. I didn't see him. Has he fallen off the radar.

I personally don't think so.
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0 #86 miguel 2012-09-20 12:41
Quoting dmare085:
Where's Stefan Noesen on the list. I didn't see him. Has he fallen off the radar.

I personally don't think so.


Noesen is still young enough to dominate in the OHL with Plymouth
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+1 #87 Captain Alfie 2012-09-20 12:53
I think the lockout will be very healthy for our swedish prospects. Silfverberg and Zibanejad will be able to transition into the North American game at an easy pace. That in my opinion will make Silfverberg a very strong candidate for the Calder when he finally has his rookie NHL season.

With Bishop giving Lehner some competition in the A this year it should light a fire under him to earn his spot on the big team.

The only swede this hurts is Alfie. I was happy to see him come back but now he might not be able to. Karlsson will get some good time in Sweden be it Allsvenskan or the SEL he will shine.

The BSens will be a great team to watch and I look forward to it. I will probably catch a few 67's games this year at the Bank.. This is kind of a perfect storm for The 67's.. They move into the big rink for 2 years while their arena is renovated and the local big club drafts their stud defensemen in the first round and they become the premier tennent of the Bank because of the lockout.. I was checking prices for their games and they are quite decent. $20 for the lower bowl, $17 for mid, and $15 for upper. The owner of the 67's must be licking his lips with the potential of selling out 20, 000 seats some nights.
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0 #88 Sensnation 2012-09-20 13:12
Quoting Captain Alfie:
I think the lockout will be very healthy for our swedish prospects. Silfverberg and Zibanejad will be able to transition into the North American game at an easy pace. That in my opinion will make Silfverberg a very strong candidate for the Calder when he finally has his rookie NHL season.

With Bishop giving Lehner some competition in the A this year it should light a fire under him to earn his spot on the big team.

The only swede this hurts is Alfie. I was happy to see him come back but now he might not be able to. Karlsson will get some good time in Sweden be it Allsvenskan or the SEL he will shine.

The BSens will be a great team to watch and I look forward to it. I will probably catch a few 67's games this year at the Bank.. This is kind of a perfect storm for The 67's.. They move into the big rink for 2 years while their arena is renovated and the local big club drafts their stud defensemen in the first round and they become the premier tennent of the Bank because of the lockout.. I was checking prices for their games and they are quite decent. $20 for the lower bowl, $17 for mid, and $15 for upper. The owner of the 67's must be licking his lips with the potential of selling out 20, 000 seats some nights.


Bishop wasn't on the camp invite list, have you heard anything saying he'll be playing AHL this year?
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0 #89 Sensnation 2012-09-20 13:14
Quoting Mat:
Quoting Shibal07:
According to Murray, Zibanejad will be playing top 6 wing in Binghamton. We should expect Zibanejad to play with either petersson or Silfverberg in a top 6 line. I remember during the rookie tournament Zibanejad and petersson had some excellent chemistry when they played the chicago prospects.

Pageau has a good chance in making the team because the team really does not have a second line center, so he should be able to slot into that spot.


I heard they were going to test Zbad on the wing at the NHL level, and it would make sense to start this in Bingo, but this will create an interesting scenario for our top 6. if Pageau plays 2C (he's listed as a winger btw), then who out of this top 6 gets bumped?

Stone
Zibanejad
Silfverberg
Da Costa
Prince
Hoffman
Petersson

I know most of you will be tempted to say Andre P but as one of only two with legitimate AHL experience on the top 6, I think bumping him off would be a mistake... (Perhaps he'll be given permission to get a year contract in the SEL though).

But then, to me, Pageau is the odd man out.

I'm not sure wgat kind of 3rd line strategy we will be going with but with the influx of NHL caliber players coming down, we will need some 2 way checkers for sure.


My feeling is it would be Prince or Petersson, as there are only 2 Cs in that list and the other 3 wingers are considered pretty good prospects to have fought for an NHL role this year.
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0 #90 Captain Alfie 2012-09-20 13:31
@Sensnation

Chirp mentions this in his article..

•According to Andy Strickland, the Senators are hoping they'll be able to send Ben Bishop to Binghamton when the AHL season starts. Bishop is on a one way contract this season.
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0 #91 Sandy 2012-09-20 13:37
We all know Eklund is full of it.. but I do read his articles from time to time.. A couple of interesting tidbits...

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Well, I for one found the NHL's willingness to keep Hockey Related Revenue as it is currently as the first sign the NHL really wants to play hockey. What keeping HRR the same provides is it gives these negotiations the footing they so desperately needed. Talking percentages WITHOUT a set HRR is completely and utterly ridiculous. (50% of what?) At least now we know the percentages are percentages of something we all understand....a nd to be honest the way HRR is currently calculated we have seen the numbers grow so quickly I can't help but see the HRR unchanged as a HUGE concession on the NHL's part.

So what's next?

I keep hearing rumblings of the "next" big step and it now appears the next big step will be the NHL finding some way of grandfathering in the current contracts and lowering the Salary Cap number without swallowing up all the money out there...For example if we see the Cap drop off from 57% to some other number 47-50% (or roughly 20% lower) then instead of lowering all the current contracts by 20% the NHL could have a "grandfather clause" which enables players to get the money they signed for and teams to take 20% off of the Cap hit of that money? Confused? It's much simpler than I made it sound....but I hope it makes sense..
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Now I must admit in all of this, I don't remember the NHL saying they will keep HRR the same as it has been.

The other interesting concept is reducing the salary cap.. but not having the players take a pay cut... just lower the cap hit by the same percentage as the lowering of the salary cap.

Now teams will have to pay the same salary as before... with the revenues split 50-50 (if they can get that) -- that could be something to get this moving along.

Any thoughts guys?
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0 #92 Sandy 2012-09-20 13:41
Quoting Smash_88:
So apparently Spezza got in a car accident this morning out on March Rd in Kanata... 5 cars involved, everyone was ok though



Glad he is okay.. really scary stuff.
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0 #93 Sensnation 2012-09-20 14:09
Quoting Captain Alfie:
@Sensnation

Chirp mentions this in his article..

•According to Andy Strickland, the Senators are hoping they'll be able to send Ben Bishop to Binghamton when the AHL season starts. Bishop is on a one way contract this season.


Ah ok, thanks. Don't know why I missed that part.
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0 #94 TheGritty3rdLiner 2012-09-20 14:12
If Z-bad will play on the wing, I could see something like this with the two top lines:

Silfverberg/Da Costa/Stone
Prince/Grant/Zibanejad
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0 #95 Sensnation 2012-09-20 14:15
Quoting Sandy:
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Well, I for one found the NHL's willingness to keep Hockey Related Revenue as it is currently as the first sign the NHL really wants to play hockey. What keeping HRR the same provides is it gives these negotiations the footing they so desperately needed. Talking percentages WITHOUT a set HRR is completely and utterly ridiculous. (50% of what?) At least now we know the percentages are percentages of something we all understand....and to be honest the way HRR is currently calculated we have seen the numbers grow so quickly I can't help but see the HRR unchanged as a HUGE concession on the NHL's part.
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I read that as well. I think Eklund's out to lunch most of the time. The NHL agreeing to keep HRR definition the same is not a huge concession though imo. That should be how it is as there's no good reason to change it. It's actually a great example of how far the NHL offers were in terms of ridiculousness that they were asking for all this money rollback and a smaller definition of the pie.
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0 #96 Sandy 2012-09-20 14:29
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting Sandy:
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Well, I for one found the NHL's willingness to keep Hockey Related Revenue as it is currently as the first sign the NHL really wants to play hockey. What keeping HRR the same provides is it gives these negotiations the footing they so desperately needed. Talking percentages WITHOUT a set HRR is completely and utterly ridiculous. (50% of what?) At least now we know the percentages are percentages of something we all understand....and to be honest the way HRR is currently calculated we have seen the numbers grow so quickly I can't help but see the HRR unchanged as a HUGE concession on the NHL's part.
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I read that as well. I think Eklund's out to lunch most of the time. The NHL agreeing to keep HRR definition the same is not a huge concession though imo. That should be how it is as there's no good reason to change it. It's actually a great example of how far the NHL offers were in terms of ridiculousness that they were asking for all this money rollback and a smaller definition of the pie.


I had read or heard, can't remember which.. that 80% of NHL players are under contract right now.

This number apparently is significantly higher than going into the 2004 lockout.

Not that I support the players.. BUT I can see their point in rolling back that many contracts.. that's a lot of revenue lost for the players.

What EK heard or was his idea is really out there... but if it takes something like that to get this done without any loss of regular season games... it's a win for those employees on cutbacks or job losses. It's a win for the league in not too much revenue lost and a win for the fans.
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+1 #97 TrueSensFan 2012-09-20 14:34
Interesting read for those interested in the whole HRR debacle etc.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/09/making-sense-of-hockey-related-revenue.html

Just need a couple toothpicks to keep your eyses open LOL but very informative article in regards to what the major stumbling block of the CBA negotiation is
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+1 #98 zachpraisetheswedes 2012-09-20 14:35
I think that idea of grandfathering the contracts that are currently in oplace is a great one!

Its just not fair what so ever for the nhl to expect players to take a cut on contracts that were just handed out.

The only problem with that idea is that if you grandfather all those contracts, every player who doesn't have a contract yet gets screwed because they have that much less cap space to work with when negotiating a contract (aka they will loose out on money because teams won't be able to afford them unless they accept less)

But I still like the idea
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+3 #99 Sandy 2012-09-20 14:43
Quoting zachpraisetheswedes:
I think that idea of grandfathering the contracts that are currently in oplace is a great one!

Its just not fair what so ever for the nhl to expect players to take a cut on contracts that were just handed out.

The only problem with that idea is that if you grandfather all those contracts, every player who doesn't have a contract yet gets screwed because they have that much less cap space to work with when negotiating a contract (aka they will loose out on money because teams won't be able to afford them unless they accept less)

But I still like the idea


If the players have a brain they have to realize that their salaries couldn't keep growing the way they were.

With the rollback of the salary cap combined with the rollback of the cap hit of each contract teams will have the new cap situation the same as it is now.. just much lower. So teams signing any new contracts would still be faced with the same amount of cap space to work with.. Am I making any sense?
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0 #100 s3nsfan 2012-09-20 14:54
Quoting The Apostle:
The mechanism is that they would be in breach of contract if a new CBA is signed and they refused to show for their NHL teams. Presumably they could then be sued by the NHL, their parent organisation and possibly the NHLPA.

That doesn't FORCE them to come back but it does provide an incentive.

I read an article this morning that states that if players are in breach of contract then it is handed over to the IIHF and I believe they could then prevent players from playing in their current league ie: Swiss Elite, KHL. But that is solely my interpretation of the article.
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0 #101 s3nsfan 2012-09-20 14:57
Quoting riceroni:
This season is going to be cancelled! Oh well, I will just play ice hockey and ball hockey a lot more

Riceroni, where do you play ball hockey? You or any other team looking for a goalie?
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0 #102 mickey 2012-09-20 15:41
Quoting s3nsfan:
Quoting riceroni:
This season is going to be cancelled! Oh well, I will just play ice hockey and ball hockey a lot more

Riceroni, where do you play ball hockey? You or any other team looking for a goalie?


can you play next Thursday night 8:30pm
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0 #103 WeAreSensFans! 2012-09-20 15:45
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
More from Corey Pronman

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1381

Interesting to see that Shane Prince made the top 100. He's a good prospect.

Mika top 15 :)


this guy couldn't rate a movie let alone prospects...

look at his list he's all over the place what are his ratings based on? a hat?

9. Ryan Strome, Center, New York Islanders
10. Filip Forsberg, Right Wing, Washington Capitals
30. Brandon Saad, Left Wing, Chicago Blackhawks
43. Cody Ceci, Defense, Ottawa Senators
51. Jakob Silfverberg, Right Wing, Ottawa Senators
63. Mark McNeill, Center, Chicago Blackhawks
64. Tyler Toffoli, Right Wing, Los Angeles Kings
70. Mark Stone, Right Wing, Ottawa Senators
87. Shane Prince, Left Wing, Ottawa Senators

alot of players are misplaced in my opinion, don't see this as a credible prospect list, only a list of prospects.
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0 #104 WeAreSensFans! 2012-09-20 15:46
anybody have a link or stream for the 67's game?
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+3 #105 lbernier 2012-09-20 16:14
Got to love Bingo's potential top 2 lines this season that will do some damage!!!

Silfverberg- Zibanejad -Stone
Petersson- Prince -Hoffman

Cant wait for the AHL to start up wooooo
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0 #106 KJ-Sens 2012-09-20 17:10
Quoting TheGritty3rdLiner:
Did anyone have a problem wityh Spezza going down to Bingo in 04/05 to steal someone's job? You really think Spezza, or any other player for that matter, is trying to purposely bump a player off the team? It's harsh, but it's business. Those teams are willing to let the NHLers play for them; the NHLers aren't forcing their way onto those teams.


Looking at from the Swiss teams perspective, "Damn, I getting a player of this skill level to play on my team! Fuck Ya! Sign here please."

:)
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0 #107 SensChirp 2012-09-20 18:46
A good look at the NHLPA proposal from a recently released memom among Union members.

www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=405739
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0 #108 57gord 2012-09-20 19:15
Starting to loose interest in anything NHL/NHLPA related
'til I hear it's a go or it's cancelled. Must be some sorta instinctive survival reflex ??
"Body, cannot take this much anger, for this much time"
Said with a Captian Kirk swagger.
Let's go AHL/OHL !!
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0 #109 AlfieforMayor11 2012-09-20 19:52
Ceci looks good tonight. He's rocking' the 'C' on the front of the jersey too!
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0 #110 jakester 2012-09-20 19:53
I agree - please CHIRP -lets forget the NHL exists and turn this into an AHL BLOG! Lets really eat up all the info we can on our players in BINGO! Thats the only hockey that matters now. Those guys are our future anyways. THE SENS unfortunately won't be around this year. FEHR and BUTTMAN won't come to terms.
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+1 #111 shibal07 2012-09-20 20:23
Ceci had 4 assists today, along with a lot of goal scoring chances on the powerplay.

His fourth assist was a highlight reel; taking a page off spezza's book.
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0 #112 TheGritty3rdLiner 2012-09-20 20:26
67s lost 6-4 but Ceci had 4 assists and looked very solid all night long. Fun game to watch but I wish Ottawa had won, since it was their home (well technically) opener.
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+1 #113 Bud Lieht 2012-09-20 21:19
The Sens have too many D men. I think that you will see a trade involving Gryba or Wiercioch to make room for some of the new signings.
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0 #114 zachpraisetheswedes 2012-09-20 21:53
Connor Mcdavid is the next true NHL superstar.

You heard it here first people!

Everyones talking about Mckinnon. Yes he's gonna be very good but should not be compared to crosby. Not even for a second.

Mcdavid on the other hand is going to be that kind of player. The kind that can not only change the fortunes of an entire franchise but also be one of those guys that changes the league (a la Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos)

Its still a few years away. But just wait. The hype will start to build up soon enough

He is the next big thing for the NHL
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0 #115 lbernier 2012-09-21 01:11
Will anybody be streaming Ottawa 67's games or Binghamton Senators Games....or do you know of a site that does? If you do post it please
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