With each passing day we continue to hear more about players preparations for the lockout. Sens defenceman Sergei Gonchar is the first Senator to reveal his plans, suggesting he’ll join good friend Evgeni Malkin and sign on with a KHL team on a week to week basis until there is a resolution.
We can expect to hear more from other Sens players in the days and weeks to come.
This past weekend is traditionally looked at as the last weekend of summer. When the calendar flips to September, it’s supposed to be the most exciting time of year for hockey fans. Teams should be getting set to open camps over the next couple of weeks but instead the labour unrest continues to dominate the league’s headlines.
On a personal note, I find that each time I sit down to write a blog about our Senators, I struggle. More than any other NHL labour dispute, I really feel like this one is stickin’ it to the fans and it makes me angry. I don’t care about the owners who feel they should have a bigger chunk of league revenues. I don’t care about the players who feel as though they were slighted in the last CBA negotiations. I mean, I get it. Don’t get me wrong. I just don’t care.
I feel bad for the people that open their wallets to support this league only to be completely ignored. I feel bad for the people that rely on the National Hockey League for work. I feel bad for kids that look up to these players as role models but are too young to understand why they won’t be playing this fall.
Now I am as big a supporter of the Ottawa Senators and the National Hockey League as you’ll find. I actually cringe a little when I think about the amount of money I have spent on this team over the years. The fact that I considered cancelling my season tickets really makes me wonder how others will react to a lockout.
Any delay to the start of the NHL season will hurt the league far more than either side cares to acknowledge. I just hope they figure it out before it’s too late.
Like the most recent Spiderman movie, the present labour dispute comes far too quickly after it predecessor and it leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.
I hope for hopes sake that we hear something promising in the next few days. Where is Trevor Linden when you need him?
Why can't they just agree on 50/50?
And then there's OHL hockey and the Q. We all survived last time. We will again.
The negotiations going on between the NHL and the NHLPA is actually interesting as far as the business of hockey is concerned. And Fehr and Bettman are two top negotiators at the top of their game. Sucks for us the fans but I'm interested in the "who blinks first" part of it.
I hope the NHL broadens its horizons and start considering some of the flexible/innova tive revenue sharing options that were put in place in the MLB which has supposedly made owners and players so happy that CBA negotiations are dealt with smoothly..
Who knows where this will lead.
and I truly hope that both the NHL and the PA are paying attention to the exact sentiment that you are presenting because, this time more than ever, I have the same feeling, and the "I really dont care" senitment will lead to "I couldnt care less when and if they start again" and that will put an end to many NHL teams, and many NHL player jobs.
Right now they are both listening to Bettman and Fehr. They should all have a impartail appointed official, to let them know exactly what the impacts of missing another season will do to the NHL.
The reality is if hardcors like yourself, myself, and others on here have had enough, imagine what will happen to the casual fan.
This time around, the real ones shelling out hard earned dollars, have had it with the Millionaires vs the Billionaires squabbling over a few additional % points.
In the end if your sentiment carries, that whole pie will be a lot smaller, and we all will lose.
Very scary indeed!
These greedy bastards do whatever we want and we just sit around and wait. It's annoying.
Props to you chirp for admitting there's nothing to write about. keeping it short, sweet and to the point
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This offseason is killing me :(
You'll get your money back if the season is cancelled. Or if the season is shortened they will give you the option of refunding the lost games or applying it towards your next season or payment (depending on if you still have outstanding money to give them). But, I don't think cancelling is an option. And, I don't want to cancel mine, I love my Sens and we are lucky to have a NHL team in Ottawa. Us fans need to support the players and franchise no matter what. Don't be too negative.
Team management sent out a letter along with your first 5/10 game tickets last week explaining the situation.
- You either get your money back for each missed game (at the end of each month + 1.25% annual interest calculated by the date the game was cancelled to the end of the month) or
- You get a credit towards your account for each game the gets cancelled, plus interest at the rate of 5% annually from the time the game is cancelled to when you use your credit.
If the season is cancelled outright (late december/mid january) then you will also have the cash out option. Unfortunately you cannot simply cancel outright.
Mis
Here's an idea though: kick 'em squarly in the RELATED revenues. Something that should be easy for all of us to do is take 1 year off of buying any NHL related swag. That is, I would suggest that if even ONE regular season game is missed, there be a conspiracy of NHL fandom everywhere to not buy a single sweater, t-shirt, cap, pj or car air deoderizer until after the END of the resumed season (whenever it is). Also, for visibility, for clarity of the statement, why not stop wearing swag (even if it's old) or team colours at games?
Peer pressure is how this sort of thing is enforced... walking by a store at a game (or even in a mall) and see someone considering buying something an NHL team is selling, just say to this person that it is better for NHL hockey (i.e., the game... from a fan's perspective), to just save the extra money and not give the League or the PA anything extra to squabble over.
Just an idea.
If you want power, put your wallets away. Do it realistically.. . Watch hockey, sure, even pay for tickets, but just take a little of the topping off the pie they are fighting over. I bet it adds to a significant sum. Maybe enough to make them think twice before threatening another lockout.
Would love to watch Bingo of the AHL on the tube this year even if the NHL does comes back. It should be a very interesting year down there.
Oh I understand all of that, I am just very upset that these greedy bastards can't get their act together. Like someone else said, I am going to get to the point where I don't even care if they come back or not (after a certain point). It's frustrating to put my hard earned money to support a team and not be shown the same respect by the people I am supporting.
People cancelling their season tickets hurts the Sens. Do you really think Bettman would work as hard to keep the Senators in Ottawa.. like he is doing for Phoenix? Not on your life.
I have spent a lot of money on my Sens. Season tickets for close to 10 yrs. Jerseys. Trip to Mtl last year. Trip to Florida for 2 games a couple of years ago..
But hockey is my passion. I love it.. It keeps me sane.
I agree with Chirp.. this lockout is different in the fans mind. The 2nd time in 8 yrs.
Both sides risk a lot in taking the fans for granted. I can't believe they don't see this.
Take 50% now NHLPA on 3.2B revenue and growing. Or the lockout comes.. you lose salary.. revenues will plummet.. and then you take 50% on much less. So tell me how that makes any sense.
Oh Chirp, loved to reply on twitter to McGratton.. Priceless.
The AHL teams that will get on TV are only the ones in Canada.. so Edmonton & Ottawa fans will not see their AHL teams as they are in the US.
This is what kept me from cancelling. If there was a way for me to keep my money away from the league, as opposed to the Senators, it would be a no-brainer. Or if I knew that every fan around the league was taking the same course of action.
But like you said Sandy, it's not the Senators I am disappointed in. It's the league and the players collectively.
Probably not, though. It's hard to hear the little guy with hundreds stuffed in your ears.
Exactly this and people have to be careful. We have some pretty dedicated hockey fans on this blog and if some of you are cancelling, boycotting. etc. then you know the casual fan is as well and unfortunately the only outcome will be hurting the Senators. Not a path any of us want to go down, I hope
twitter comments. Could you fill me in?
You guys don't like the NHL series?
Here it is...
brian mcgrattan @bigern10
us players have loved the game since we were 2ft tall and play for the love and passion of the game not GREED!!!
SensChirp @SensChirp
@bigern10 If it were that simple, a CBA would be in place by now. Fans and people who rely on the NHL for work are the ones getting screwed.
What's interesting is you'd think a player like McGrattan would hate the idea of losing a full season (and pay cheque) to a lockout.
I've just grown tired of the "spin" from the NHLPA that they are the ones that just want to play and it's the "greedy" owners. I see plenty of greed on both sides of the negotiations.
That comment kinda slid through the cracks! Hahaha.
Seriously though does anyone else feel that this was literally done just to bring a headline to Colorado? Don't get me wrong I love the kid he's a great player and has the potential makings of a great captain, but did they need to make him the captain when he's only 19?
Seems hard to believe that the older players could draw inspiration from him and follow his example when he's young enough to be the child of some of the Avs' players...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWQs3O_IDas
Awesome video but I have a problem with it in that it attempts to link player and fan desires. Aint right.
No, I wanted the Sens to f'ing tank just to get this guy!!!!
I knew he would be captain within a year or so, fuck, I'm going to go cry in a corner now.....oh what could have been!
Guy was the PERFECT fit for taking over for Alfie.
Oh and was excatly what the Doc ordered...a goal scoring power forward winger...
He played 30 games last season... his salary was probably around 500K. He spent most of his time in the pressbox. Take a hockey fan making about 50K.. it would take 10 yrs to make up what he earned as basically a healthy scratch.
Apparently he got married recently.. just found a few pictures of the wedding. His new wife is very beautiful.
It certainly isn't the tattooed hard-looking ticket he had at Spezza's wedding...
http://delmorephotography.com/blog/2012/07/michelle-brian-wedding-teaser/
Exactly. If I hear one more NHL player say "we only want whats fair", I am going to loose it. Market value? Sure. Fair...no. There is nothing fair about what a NHL player earns. It is a privilege to play in the league, period. Yes they have worked hard to get to the NHL, and are compensated in every way imaginable.
I don't have a dog in this fight. Fan sentiment is strong because, despite the spin, they only reason, on both sides is greed. Revenues are up, salaries are up...and to reward our loyal fan base...we'll take away the game again.
Fans only want what is fair.
Players want more of our money.
Owners want more of our money.
That is the one thing that isn't...fair.
I wanted him in a Sens uniform too, but I can't complain too much about where we are right now.
i see some potential here.
the fans should start their own union,
this is what you get here is how it will be split.
if not then we will not spend another $$$ on NHL hockey for another year, then revisit again in that next year.
that would get their attention
So "fair" will look unfair to most 9-5 working fans, but just because a guy who is scratched half the year still makes half a million doesn't mean it's not fair.
I'm not saying the NHLPA is blameless here, but to suggest that the players should just accept any offer is a bit naive.
Now, that doesn't mean the players can't be pushing to get a fair deal done sooner. The part that upsets me the most is the apparent willingness of BOTH sides to let the season start late or not even have a season this year. THAT is what I get mad about - not about who's greedier or how much tickets cost. That's just supply and demand.
http://www.nhlfa.com/
So, as I suggested above, if there is a work stoppage, it's *fair* for fans to promise hold back spending on all NHL-related merchandise for one complete season even if play resumes at some point and fans resume watching (as we know we will).
I just did the calculation. I spent over $300 last winter and I think more the previous year (ironically). That can fairly go to alternative use unless the NHL is in full swing by Oct. 11.
The bigger the group, the lower their combined IQ.
Fans will spend whatever is asked of them and continue to blow their paychecks on new jerseys every three years, video games every year, overpriced food/drink at games etc, etc.
There's no way to get all fans to agree to do anything as a group except spend like blind sheep.
It's a waste of time to try and organize anything that the league wouldn't laugh at.
you know this really could have some legs,
if we could get all the fans to agree that we the fans will not spend a cent on any merchandise and will boycott the first 3 months that they get to playing, this will entice them to get something done asap,
Wow @ Hax, that is a very pessimistic view. But funny because that statement has a tonne of truth to it.
While the idea is awesome and could have a potential impact in theory, it would take a small army of extremely dedicated, smart, motivating and extremely influential people to make something like this happen.
http://www.nhlfa.com/ over 30,000 members and they have one news release about the current situation from Aug 17th and their 4th latest entry was about "Fans Determine Priorities for 2009-10 Season"
prime example of what would more than likely happen with anyone who tries to start a group with a significant enough membership to make the league and players listen
- Eat too much
- Drink too much
- Spend more than they earn and accumulate debt they will likely never pay off
- Exercise too little
- Smoke or do other things that they know shorten their life span
- Avoid the doctor so they won't be diagnosed with anything
- Litter when it's inconvenient not to
- Fail to take responsibility for their kids or pets
- Waste food
- Roll through stop signs and drive well over the speed limit
- Are too lazy to compost or recycle
- Are too lazy to properly research political candidates if they bother to vote at all
- Surf the net at work
- Pirate music or movies
- Walk past homeless people without a glance
- Would rather read about celebrity breakups than about people dying in the third world
Don't get me wrong. There are lots of individuals who are great people. And I certainly won't try to pretend that several things on that list don't apply to me.
But to expect nearly everyone within such a large group of people (i.e. NHL fans) to do the right thing is insanity.
By now everyone has seen the reports on Bogosian being sidelined 4 to 6 months after wrist surgery. He's been the subject of persistent trade rumours, so does anything think it would be worth the risk for Ottawa to make a move for him? Think about it, most seasons an injured player trade is a bad gamble. But if we have half a season lost to lockout, missing 4 to 6 months of none playing time isn't so bad, especially if the trade isn't too significant. What would the Jets want in return?
Roberto Luongo says it just "makes sense" for him to return to the Florida Panthers. TSN posts this which makes you think something happened, only to read into it more and find out it's just a statement he's made. First off, why does he need to make that statement? Is it to put more pressure on Vancouver to get something done with them? Why would Florida actually consider this idea? Having to trade players in return and take on such a contract with a NTC? RL would only play about 2 seasons before Jacob Markström takes the reins from him, just like Cory Schneider did to him.
Edit - The statement about Bogosian not having a contract, may have been wrong. Oops
A little bit tongue-in-cheek of course. And not saying NHL fans are anything different than any other group of people. But while it's totally fine to fantasize about some sort of grass roots movement making an impact, it ain't gonna happen.
For every intelligent, committed fan who might take part, there are literally THOUSANDS of sheep that will not miss a beat in their NHL-related spending.
And the ironic and slightly dangerous thing is that smaller markets (like Ottawa) typically have a higher concentration of committed fans - so if such a thing really did get off the ground, we'd suffer more than most cities and the NHL still couldn't care less.
It's a waste of time to try and organize anything that the league wouldn't laugh at.
Let me guess Hax............ you don't bother to vote either. One has to start somewhere.
I'm going to guess you were trying to quote me.
FWIW - I rarely vote but only because I don't have the time or motivation to properly research the issues and candidates, and I refuse to simply vote based on party loyalty or campaign commercials. Not for a minute suggesting that people shouldn't vote, in fact I strongly believe that everyone should be up to speed on all the major issues and candidates and vote accordingly - but I'm a hypocrite so....
Till it comes back watch NFL season kickoff starts in 27 hours
Amen to that. Way too many underhanded petitions and shit already that seem to be pro-player in flavor. It is up to both parties to cut the crap and get a deal one, and like it or not players, this deal needs to be one that makes good business sense for >28 of the teams in this league!
MLB playoffs start in a month. NFL starts this week. NBA starts in Oct (I believe).. Once that happens the US hockey fan will find something else to watch. The NHL will be out of sight.. out of mind scenario. They become irrelvant. US fans will not care if they come back or not.
Chris Phillips said in an Ottawa Sun article.. that the NHLPA is ready to get back to the 'table' to negotiate.
Well the first step should be a counter proposal to what the NHL offered. All the PA has done is delay, delay. It took them a month to put in a response to the first NHL offer...
No side seems to be in any hurry to get this done.
No talks -- no season.. it's a simple as that.
They are in for a big surprise when and if they come back..They will see a lot less fans in the stands in the good old USA.
But the NHL came out today and said they want to move free agency from July 1sst to July 10th. Nice to see where their priorities lie...
NHL attendance is always lower in the first few months of the year anyway. There's a World Series most years and a Super Bowl most years too.
Well damn didn't know that existed, shows you how active they are in engaging all the fans against the lockout out there considering I've never even heard of them... Yikes
Strongly considering not attending games this year when the season comes back in December/Januar y
Don't worry -- there won't be games in Dec/Jan.. unless NBC pulls it's clout looking at the big bucks of the Winter Classic...
Oct 19th & 20th for me and my friend. Looking for a good place to eat near the arena that is suitable for a couple of older married ladies...
Haha the world is doomed! Hats off to the most depressing post in the history of Senschirp!
Who let simple jack on here
Safe to say a bus load of us will be making our way down in the event of a lockout.
Hmmm...I have heard good things about a place called Remlick's. Never been though.
Looking forward to it! Drove by Dillinger's the other day and it was looking lonely!
WAIT! I am going to go lie down on a black leather sofa. When I say go, can you repeat all that? Will save me a lot of money. :)
report to Bingo for training camp?
This has the same weight as "screw the oil companies and lets all avoid buying gas on such and such date".
It never works, we're all a bunch of suckers in the end.
You'll all be on here discussing the roster the day the season begins, however late that will be.
Its a labour dispute. Its part of the business. The CBA had an expiry date on it. Those of you who have purchased tickets will all be refunded if the season is cancelled. Until everyone realises that the end of the world is not imminent, enjoy all the other great hockey around, or better yet, grab a stick and a ball, or a puck, and go play for the "love of the game".
100% Right Tooks.
Already an excellent two-way forward and only a matter of time before he's in the mix for a Selke, already rookie of the year, great team player. But we'd rather have Hyena-Laugh Spezza as captain...God help us all.
Hey I like the 'kog too, but lay off Spezza. He hasn't been "giggles" for years.
Well SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOORREEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEE MOTHER TERESA!
I'll just join a brotherhood and starve myself to death for the greater good, or better yet raise 20 orphans while drinking water and eating stale bread to Meeeeeeeeeester rr Hax the Holy is happy!
I make NO apologies for my life. Sure I eat some Pringles and drink an orange soda every now and then but my ASS is up at 4:30 every morning, at work by 6 and home at 7 pm, then it's taking care of the house and so on. And I DON'T get paid 3 mil a year!
So sympathy for the athlete?
FUGGEDABOUTIT!
GO MELNYK.
it was cloutson who screwed us, riding andy as his savior when we had mcbackup and lots of rooks to try out.
sometimes it just better to axe the coach and bring in a interm coach, but murray just didn't want to go behind the bench, i don't blame him then but he left the bench too early imo.
some were even wanting to save cloutson's job.
Man i'm glad those days are gone. The present sens are much better off and can i say?
GO SENS!
Way to miss the point. Not saying we should feel sorry for the players - but you can't possibly think that you can find enough fans to give enough of a shit to actually boycott and make an impact?
GO MELNYK!
It all starts as the power of individuals. We miss one regular season game and I am not attending a game or buying a nickel worth of merch ALL YEAR. That's not a veiled threat and no, I don't need a Sens car flag to get to work. Screw the oil companies is a pretty weak analogy!
x2...I say for the foreseeable future, as i do not intend to go running back next season either. I won't stop being a fan, I will watch the games on TV, and still cheer for them....But my money will either go towards paying down those debts we all have too much of, or NFL.
Me too... I miss hockey all summer long.. If I have to wait a few more months to see it, it would suck but when it's back I won't bitch and moan. I'll be happy that we can enjoy it again. And, most people will be in the same boat.
I won't deny anyone the right to be angry and if you're angry with Melnyk specifically then boycott away I guess - but don't get deluded into thinking that staying home after the lockout will somehow prevent another one in the future.
I don't believe for a second anyone cares if I pay to go to games or buy merchandise. It is 100% on a personal level, NHL is not the only sport I enjoy so for now my money will go elsewhere.
There is a petition out there on Twitter that is up too 4200 signatures for a fan boycott or just to be heard.
#NOLOCKOUT
www.ipetitions.com/petitions/hockey
Its a start...
Oh yeah!!!!!!!
I hate the Giants and even worse the Cowboys but goddamn its nice to have NFL back!
I watch any and all games!
Just to put things in perspective, its kickoff week and the VERY first game of the NFL season is a MUST WIN for both teams!! LOL
Not true, if people want to stay home then do it, other fans from other teams will do it aswell, if enough people do that, yes it will hurt individual teams but also hurt the league if enough fans do it league wide and if the league is hurting you can bet your ass Bettman & the players will want to reflect that in the next CBA so he doesnt have fan backlash again, ultimately, us fans, we can control the outcome. No fans = no money = no league...
True enough, but what I'd love to see (and I know it won't happen) is to have the league resume play just in time for the Winter Classic - and nobody show up. That would be just what the league deserves...
That would be a well executed boycott indeed!
How can you know for sure? if lets say half the league wide fans boycott and each arena is at half capacity for the year.
U dont think that would hurt the NHL to a point where they would never let that happen again? They would fix the CBA real quick and come to much better agreements to help the league for the fans.
Not saying that would happen but surely arena's being half full would certainly hurt the league, no doubt.
If a league wide drop of lets say 3B to 1.5B, Bettman & the NHLPA would shit their pants and certainly work harder and more dilligently to get something done so fans dont do that again.
From last lockout: "Only one team -- the last-place St. Louis Blues, whose attendance was down 23.42 percent -- saw a decrease of more than 6 percent."
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/penguins/the-nhl-bounced-back-last-season-after-a-yearlong-lockout-but-whats-next-453176/#ixzz25bt0nVQp
Oh I agree it wont happen to that level but you just said even the best planned boycott would only be a blip, not so.
Rest I agree with you, that 4200 signature, althought its cool people are trying something, wont do much dmg if at all even be seen by the NHL.
I think fan energy is better spent being visible with facebook/twitte r stuff or in person demonstrations at games when they come back. There's little hope in impacting attendance itself so focus energy elsewhere.
Having said that, all the league really cares about is attendance so by nature of that it's unlikely fans will have much impact.
If people stop going to games but still watch just as much on tv then the ratings go up and the next tv contract will be even bigger.
The tv revenue is massive. Nowhere near nfl or mlb but its a BIG chunk.
So realistically a boycot has to be a 100% boycot. Tickets, merchandise and TV as well as website hits and other revenue streams
It will never work
Just sit back relax and let them deal with their business. If any of us were in their shoes we'd be fitting over the same shit. Just like we do if were apart of any union at work.
Hockey will be back and everyone should come back full force when it is
In the 1980s in England, hooliganism was such an issue for football teams and the grounds were generally not very nice places to be that attendances for all the major clubs started to plummet - and I mean to less than 60% of capacity for most teams in the top division.
This was a huge factor in football finally realising that they had to do something to make it a better environment for supporters other than 20-40 year old males. This, allied with a significantly changing social backdrop in the UK led to an increase in attendance and a far better and more enjoyable product.
Attendances are unlikely to reach the heights they did in 1930s to 1960s but that is more to do with the capacities in the grounds generally being less now than they were because you aren't allowed to stand up anymore.
I think boycotts can work against an individual team or organisation but a league wide boycott is almost impossible to effectively generate.
Very good point. In fact, if people did stay away from arenas but ended up watching on TV it might have the opposite effect.
Again, I (clearly) think a boycott is impossible to organize at a level that would have impact, but you're right it would need to be 100%.
This would be the ultimate way for Fans to send a message without hurting your local, small market club. This is a more realistic approach too from an organizational standpoint.
The absolute icing on the cake would be if all the college, OHL and other non-NHL games at the big house sold out. True hockey fans love hockey, not the NHL.
Okay thanks.. will check it out...
Me too.. I'm a sucker.. I'll admit it. But in the meantime it doesn't mean that I can't get frustrated and angry and the lack of progress and perceived lack of urgency from both sides.
Apparently some guy named Peter Adler in Edmonton is stating that the NHL & NHLPA are still talking behind the scenes.
Now personally, I don't believe that at all... I saw this note on HB.. therefore not sure how accurate it really is... probably a bunch of garbage.
To get noticed -- is for fans.. by the 10's of thousands picket the NHLPA office in Toronto.. and the NHL league office in NY City. Now that's not going to happen...
The only other way to show your displeasure is to not go to games. Now in Canada that will not happen as well as in some of the bigger markets in the US.
But what about the other struggling markets? Nashville, Dallas, Phoenix, etc. What if they lose 20% of their fan base? Will the league take notice?
Especially if they lose what they have worked to hard to gain the last several years.
The word is the League wants a 10 yr deal as the NBC TV broadcast rights are for 10 yrs.. and the NHL will want that renewed. If it is another short-term contract.. and another lockout (after this one) .. NBC could walk away.. and with it the TV $$ the league so badly wants.
So no side wins if there is a lockout.
They had Paul Kelly, former head of the NHLPA on the Team 1200 -- he stated that the league could survive a short-term lockout.. but losing a full season such as last time will do irreputable harm to the NHL.
Fehr & Bettman are supposed to be very smart men... let's hope they realize this.
YES.. YES.... YES
Also, some comments from Karlsson yesterday... From the Ottawa Sun...
"Karlsson had no second thoughts about returning to North America even with a cloud hanging over the start of NHL camps. If there is a lockout, he plans to try to find a place to play, but understands his options are limited.
“Sweden closed their league and that was probably going to be my No. 1 option if it was available. It isn’t, so I guess I’m going to have to wait to see what’s going to happen here and I’m probably not going to do anything here for awhile,” he said.
“It depends how long it drags on. We don’t have that many options anymore. Russia is one. I don’t know if you want to go there anymore. We’ll see about that. Switzerland is going to be hard because they only have so many imports on each team ... maybe the Swedish Elite League changes its mind once (the lockout) gets closer.”
For real?
Uhhh
OK?
I like smith but...
Why?
Is he really that big a risk of getting offered crazy money from another team?
i dunno
More on regin. Apparently he was tired of breaking his body so he decided to break karlssons norice trophy instead
The trophy is easily fixable according to 65
The same cant be said about regins clumsiness
I wonder how much beer he had in him when he broke that trophy?
Smith is a good 3rd or 4th line centre. He plays a physical game that McLean preaches. He's a decent skater.. and he has a good shot.. when he wants to use it...
We don't know what the $$ of the contract is.. do we?
Murray is getting a head start on signing some of next season's expirying contracts...
WOW!! Thanks for that insight you two! Man! Such strong wills and such character!!
If you're so pessimistic about the outcome and resolved about quitting, why don't you just quit this site as well while you're at it?
Maybe there's a Debtchirp somewhere out there for you...
It will never work
Just sit back relax and let them deal with their business. If any of us were in their shoes we'd be fitting over the same shit. Just like we do if were apart of any union at work.
Triple thumbs up dude.
The rage of some people makes me laugh. Like they are owed NHL hockey... If you have the will to walk away from hockey, then you may as well stop wasting your time on hockey blogs...
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