I've heard some questioning the idea of giving a still relatively unproven commodity such long term security but from the Senators perspective, it's a gamble worth taking.
Turris has shown a commitment to getting stronger this off season (apparently pushing 200 lbs) and should only improve on the 29 points in 55 games he put up last season. The Sens see Turris as a second line centre on their depth chart, slotting nicely behind Jason Spezza. $3.5 mil for a second line centre? Seems like a steal.
From a management perspective, it's a balanced deal- not front loaded like so many of the contracts we've seen lately. Turris will earn $1.4 million next season as he plays out the final year of his existing contract. He'll then earn $2.5, $3.5, $3.5, $4.0 and $4.0 over the next five.
From Turris's perspective, he can finally settle into a new home after a tumultuous beginning to his career in the desert. Turris has said all the right things since arriving here in Ottawa and really seems like he wants to make it work here in the Nation's Capital.
For the most part, fans were a little uneasy when Murray dealt top prospect David Rundblad and a 2nd round pick to acquire Turris from the Coyotes. Since then, Turris has become a favourite with fans in Ottawa and really won people over with his overtime winner in Game 4 against the New York Rangers.
Fans hope to see more of that from Turris in the years to come and at $3.5 mil over five seasons, It's a deal that should work out nicely for both sides.
- After taking a day off in the negotiations, the NHL and NHLPA will reconvene today in New York. The NHLPA is expected to counter the latest proposal put forward by the NHL earlier this week. If you're looking for positives in these negotiations, then you have to like the fact that the two sides continue to talk. Hopefully more progress can be made today.
- I'll be away from the computer this afternoon as I take to The Marshes Golf Course to play a round of golf with our winner from the Predict the Contract contest from earlier this off season. Thanks again to those of you that entered and be sure to keep an eye out for more contests in the near future.
Milo - Spezza - Perry
Stone - Turris - Silfverberg
Noesen - Zibby - Puempel
Greening - Smith - Neil
one can dream can't they!
If he keeps improving into a legit 2nd line centre, great. If not he would still be a solid winger or 3rd line centre.
Even if he stays at the level he was at last year he'd be a solid player for 3.5.
Although I really doubt he won't improve as his biggest weekness was strength and clearly, that has improved big time. He looks like he went into beast mode this summer.
Similar to Karlsson I think strength and more experience will turn this kid into a real dynamic player for years to come
Michalek-Spezza-Turris
Silf-Zibby-Alfie
Greening-Regin-Latendresse
Condra/O'Brien-Smith-Neil
Daugavins
I figure with the awesome shot that Turris possesses, maybe putting him with a set up man like Spezza might be that 1st line winger we were searching for.
2nd line being our Swedish line could help with chemistry, plus having Alfie playing with the 2 young swedes should help with their developement.
If Regin and Latendresse can stay healthy, that line with Greening should be good for a few secondary goals on the year.
And our 4th line will be good for our penalty kill and some much needed sandpaper.
Great comment and well thought out. I like the way you are thinking. Relatively realistic as well.
If you consider the way contracts continue to rise (this could slow down in the new CBA) due to inflation, locking in at that price is solid work by BM and the Sens brass.
If the Sens decide down the road that ZB is a better fit in that position, Turris can easily slot into a 2nd line wing. He could even play next to Spezza on the top line. We've seen that chemistry already and we'd still be paying less than most teams for that position.
I guess what I'm tring to say is, anyway you slice it, the deal works for the Sens.
I have to be honest, I didn't like the Turris trade at the beginning. I thought getting rid of Rundblad was more than enough, then they added in a second. I thought maybe we overpaid. In retrospect, I think it was an awesome hockey deal that will benefit both franchises. Turris has performed well and I think he will only get better. Future is looking bright.
As cute as it might be you gotta give him credit were credit is due... that's a big net and a small crossbar
Congrats to Kyle!
I like it...but what happens when one of Latendresse/Reg in get hurt, I almost consider it to be inevitable(I hope both prove me wrong)
Sens managament did what they thought was best and Kyle obviously liked the deal. With a full season ahead of him I could see Kyle getting around 50-60Pts and assuming he continues like that, he would be well on his way to earning that contract.
If Zibanejad is ready for the NHL, which I personally don't think he is quite yet, I think they would be better off to have him play on the wing than at center.
We see a lot of players who are natural centers eased into the NHL by starting their careers on the wing, like Seguin for example. There would be a ton of pressure on Zibby in that second line center position this season. He would be expected to produce offensively, be reliable defensively, and hold his own in the faceoff circle.
I think that would be a lot for Zibanejad to handle when he still have to get used to the speed in the NHL and adjust to playing the North American game.
Then there's Turris. Him and Alfie have great chemistry already. They feed off of each other so well. Turris is already very dependable in his own end, he's improving in the faceoff circle and he can be expected to produce as well as a second line center should.
I know a lot of people see Turris' great release and think "wow, he would look sick on Spezza's wing", but that's not going to hapen. He's a natural playmaker, and his game is best suited for the center ice position.
Our first line with Spezza, Milan, and whoever else will be productive regardless. We need Turris to anchor down the second line to give us a more balanced line-up.
How bout them NY Jets?!
Greening-O'Brien-Latendresse
Condra-Smith-Neil
or
Greening-Regin-O'Brien
Condra-Smith-Neil
Plus there's always Stone who should be a reliable call up.
Yes I agree with you, putting Zibby at 2C is a step backwards, we already have Turris there and he is far and beyond better suited for the 2C.. Zibby will at best be a 2nd line Wing plug or 3rd scoring centre a la Fisher, thats his style/role.
As for Turris' wrister its not any better than most NHL shots, he's def not up there with the Sakic's and Kariya's. People tend to bring back the goal on Lundqvist in OT as an example...its not a very good one as the King was screened by his own D and as per his reaction, didnt pick it up before it was too late.
So that shot wasnt about how hard it was, was more about placement and utilizing the D as a screen.
What about em?
Cant wait for the NFL season to start!
You're in for a painful season with that offense my friend.
I agree we didnt see much of it but to defend them they had 3 starting WR's injured or resting the pre-season (Holmes, Schilens, Kerley)
The ones they had ni there for pre-season were not very good, Turner is a back up and wont see much action, Hill is a rookie and wont see much action either, the others I dont even know the names...
I dont put much stock into the pre-season, only to see what kind of depth we do have, which on offense seems thin right now.
Our starters I dont have much worry about, Shonn Greene is gonna get the ball alot, something he didnt get in pre-season and with Wayne Hunter now benched, Howard offers much better protection for Sanchez as we saw in the 3rd game where Sanchez led 3 scoring drives starting from his ownn 20's.
Defense is stout and will be much improved vs the TE pass which killed us last year.
Latendresse - Spezza - Greening
Michalek - Turris - Regin
Silfverberg - Zibanejad - Alfredsson
O'Brien - Smith - Neil
Three balanced scoring lines. One solid checking line.
Line 1: When Spezza plays with lesser players, he shoots more. Spezza has a very good shot, shooting more is better, and he's got big-bodied wingers with 25 goal potential.
Line 2: Turris & Michalek looked good in small doses late last year. It ensures a solid second line, with two likely 50 point players, and a wild card in Regin that can easily be replaced internally if he falters.
Line 3: The ALL-SWEDEN line. Yes, it has two rookies on it, but what better way to close out Alfie's majestic career in Ottawa than by mentoring/playi ng with/making highlights with two cornerstone pieces of the Senators future. And if coach MacLean can shelter their minutes against other teams 3rd and 4th lines, than they have the potential to cause enormous skill mismatches.
Line 4: The Checking line. This line can play 10-15 minutes a night and be a downright pain in the ass to play against. Fourth lines make a huge impact on a teams fortunes, and this line would be one of the leagues best with two true third liners (Smith & Neil), and a combination of Condra, Daugavins, & O'Brien.
Going to say those lines look pretty ridiculous in terms of offensive threats. I agree 100% with what you are saying. Only issues I have are as mentioned above injuries to Regin and Latendress. Remember, Latendresse is playing to stay in the leaqgue so he will be motivated. Does he not have amazing skill and could be easily a 20-30 goal player if his conditioning was better? Regin potentially has the same 20-30 goal plateau in him too. I really hope this is what McLean does because to me, thats ridiculous. Let alone having Alfie play 3rd liners all night long. And even the fourth line is good in terms of scoring balance.
Latendresse - Spezza - Greening
Michalek - Turris - Regin
Silfverberg - Zibanejad - Alfredsson
O'Brien - Smith - Neil
I disagree completely with the 3rd line, if you want to kill Alfredsson and Zibanejad thats the place to do it!
You think playing againt 3rd liners is easy? they will get smashed every shift and probably end up on the injured list halfway through the season.
Certainly NOT the way to go, also I dont believe Alfie will want to be relegated to 3rd line minutes, he said it himself, he aint coming back to watch and play less, he's coming back with the intent of playing 1st/2nd line minutes and being a huge factor. Cant be a factor playing 8-10 minutes a game.
And, Spezza has the best shot on the team, he should be aiming to get 40G. The assists will come regardless, would love to see Spezza with a shoot first mentality this year.
Alfie is going to get his minutes, you're being way to literal. It doesn't have to be the whole game. When do all 4 lines ever stay true an entire game? It changes all the time. A few shifts of that line isn't going to hurt anyone.
Hello Grats.
I don't understand these hockey players man.... If I had their fame, I would Prince Harry it up until I fall over.
Absolutely this. Young guy making millions? Focus on the career, have some fun on the side, but don't get tied down so young and have your wife force you to demand a trade to NY so she can spend all your money.
hahaha! Yes!
Its a fan's wish, aint gonna happen anyways since Zibby is gonna be in the AHL. Alfie wont be bounced around like a puppet, if anything people will be bounced to play WITH him not vice versa.
And personally I think its a waste to have Silf on the 3rd line, nothing good can come of it.
9-19-73
33-7-11
14-13-25
42-15-22
Great line combinations ( 73-19-9 )
Latendresse - Spezza - Michalek
Silverberg - Turris - Alfredsson
Greening - Regin - Neil
O'Brien - Smith - Condra
GOSENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!
Michalek-Spezza -(Hoffman or Stone)
Latendresse-Turris-Alfie
Regin-Zibby-Silfverberg
Greening-Smith-Neil
There are my lines. And yes Silfverberg on the third line let him get accustomed th the league first. Earn his stripes a little.
His game is more suited to the wing. He doesn't have the creativity to be an offensive line center, he is more of a shooter than a playmaker. He will be groomed to play on the wing with his power forward style and end up on the second line or depending on his development could end up on the first line.
If he stays at center he will be the third line center because of his lack of creativity.
But Jeff Carter is a shooter playing centre also.
EDIT: if you're looking for a good sniper C example look no further than Stamkos aha
Stamkos is awesome. After all the current Senators, Volchenkov and Chara he is my favourite player not wearing a Senator jersey
Zibanejad will more likely start the yr in Bingo & be a injury callup. However, should Regin get hurt, Zibanejad could replace him or he could also replace an injured player on RW. Starting Zibanejad at centre on the 3rd line makes sense where there would be less pressure on him to score either at centre or RW. Spezza, Turris, Zibanejad & either Z. Smith or JOB would be a pretty good strength down the middle for the Sens. And they also have Derek Grant, a 6'3" centre playing in Bingo who has a nice combination of size & skill to fill in next season, if needed.
Completely agree with you. In this organization with the addition of Turris, Zibanejad is going to be a winger. He has been playing wing internationally , and in the SEL this year whenever they plugged him on the first line.
I also agree that he is more a shooter than a playmaker. In the wjc last year, despite having 4 goals in 6 games, in the tournament he was ranked second in the shots per game department, which indicates that he was a threat every time he was on the ice.
He also has a wicked one timer that is above other prospects from his draft class. As time Murray mentioned Zibanejad shoots like a man.
You had me right there with you until Derek Grant. I think Da Costa or Hoffman could offer more, even in a 3rd/4th line role. If we just want an average skill player I'd stick with Smith or JOB.
My favourite player not in a Sens jersey just signed a 6 yr 36M deal in Edmonton... Eberle.. love that kid.
I'm thinking of changing it.
I do like Scott Hartnell - mainly for SUCK IT PHANEUF!!!
I guess they need to break off so some of the players can take off for Europe to get there in time for the season to start...
You are optimistic.. I'm not. There are probably a lot more younger guys than the older guys.. so they will be outvoted... The players are in a lose-lose situation. They will lose salary.. even though they get a payment Oct 15th.. from their escrow from last year.. I think something like 8%.
Revenue will drop if any type of lockout as fans have had enough. This will be a different lockout for them... a lot more will leave than either side can imagine.
On a positive note... I really like listening to Pierre Dorion interviews.. here is another one:
http://www.xmhomeice.com/onair_audio/12-08-31%20Pierre%20Dorion%20OTT.mp3
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=640560
As someone already noted...turris is a natural playmaker. Yes he has a wicked shot but his natural and most effective weapon is his hockey sense. He creates plays so effortlessly and beautifully. That is why he connected with Alfie so easily. Both have an effortless ability to feed off one another because of their hockey IQ.
Zibanjad on the other hand is the complete opposite. His best weapon is his deadly shot. His one timers are a thing of beauty. The way he was spotting up in the world juniors on his opposite wing and juist blasting shots bar down was a thing of beauty. Reminded me so much of what alfie does all day. He was also pulling this in last years pre season.
Not only is he a pure shooter, he also has tons of speed and a somewhat recklass style of play (aka power forward). These types of players tend to work better from the wings when they have a gifted centrman distributing the puck.
The reason he got drafted as a centre is because he played that position growing up. Reason for that is because coaches tend to want their best players in the middle so that they create space for the other 4 players. This is especially the case in minor hockey when there's a player whose above and beyond everyone else. This usually happpens with blue chippers. Almost all nhl wingers at some point played centre until the reach a level of hockey where a coach can evenly distribute talent throughout the lineup. As is the case with Zib. He played wing in the world juniors.
It really is obvious he's built to be an nhl winger.
I also think Zibanejad can very effective on the powerplay. In preseason one of his goals came on the powerplay, in WJC 3 out of his 4 goals came on the powerplay, 2 of them from that one timer of his, and 1 from traffic in front of the net.
This past summer WJC evaluation camp, he had 4 points in 4 games. He had 2 goals and 1 assist on the powerplay, again one of those powerplay goals were from a one timer, and another from traffic in front of the net.
NHL CBA Meetings Recessed ???
No Future Talks Planned For Now ???
Bettman should have said to Fehr :
We should recess till Tuesday September 4th !
This is getting to be like 2004 all over again,
and it will get uglier and uglier !!
Get your act together, and go back to the table
next Tuesday, and negotiate till your sign a
compromise deal !!!!!!!!!!
In lieu of presenting a counter proposal, he simply" got stuck on a series of alternative options, that could be applied to the fourth year of the NHLPA's original offer" !
To which Bettman said he was disappointed, in not moving the process forward.
Fehr said that "they would be prepared when they are" ??
Total bullshit, as Bettman said "It's the Union's move to
present a counter proposal" !!
What a bunch of prima donnas, trying to outwit each other !!
Fehr keeps saying MLB has no salary cap and they are happy. BUT were they happy under Fehr? How many strikes did he lead the MLBPA to?
MLB an unbalanced league with those few rich teams who are the contenders year after year... and the other teams basically farm teams for the rich.
Yeah that would do so well in the NHL. Talk about revenues taking a nose dive.
MLB has almost 1B in TV revenue compared to the NHL's about 400M between Cda & the US. On a bad day fans in a MLB stadium would be too many to fit in an NHL arena. MLB plays about 2x the number of games the NHL does. So are the players buying into this bullshit? Are they that dumb?
No way they should be getting 57% of the revenue.
Get back to the negotiating table NHLPA. Be realistic. You will lose a lot more than you gain if there is a lockout. No salary and will have to take a rollback to get back to playing in the NHL. A % of much lower revenue that is the current state in the NHL.
You know this could have been avoided if negotiations would have started after the All-Star break like the league wanted... but you have a leader who knows squat about the NHL and he wasn't ready. You have hurt yourself... I have no sympathy.
To those worried about the commitment of the deal, when you consider what we traded for him- a prospect like David Rundblad and a second round pick, it makes sense to make this type of commitment.
He's slated to break out this year, he's working hard, and his hockey sense is off the friggin charts. I'm a huge fan.
I understand your frustration, but you can't exactly put this all on Ferh. How many strikes did he lead the MLB to?
3 (I think)
how many work stoppages has the NHL had in the past 20 years? the same amount, 3
Lockouts/strikes are going to happen no matter who is in charge. Baseball guy, football guy, it doesn't matter the sport, its all about the money
You are correct... I just get frustrated hearing Fehr say how happy baseball is without no salary cap... when during his era -- I don't think they were that happy.
How the players are so stupid believing his garbage. The NHL is not the MLB and in no way comes even close to fan appeal or $$$. Fehr is leading them down the wrong path and they are too stupid to see it. Bettman is no better... condescending little bastard.
Stop the posturing and get back to negotiations. Taking the fans for granted too long will come back to bite them in the ass.
Fehr is the one who implemented the CBA that is currently in place in that league. So it's because of him that they are "happy".
So don't act like all he did was put them through lockout after lockout. Yes they had 3 but after the last one they got a great system that works for both sides. He then retired. That CBA has been in place in MLB for over 15 years so clearly all the parties involoved are happy with his work.
After the nhlpa's struggles with their previous leader, they wanted someone with experience and a proven track record which led them to Fehr.
There is no reason to criticize him. It's both sides who are being stubborn
Hahaha. Can't wait to see how they feel a few seasons from now... his cap hit is deceiving I suppose but the pay scale is what makes sense. Gradually increasing year after year
I feel like most contracts should be structured this way, though I see why owners would disagree
Even karlssons contract should have been 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6
Though seeing other contracts around the league its easy to see why they gave him what they did, and still got a great deal
To me, 1.4, 2.5, 3.5 is a great structure and an excellent bargain for 3 years of 2nd line centreing. The fact that we squeezed out a 2nd year at 3.5 and theN 2 more years at only 4 million...
Wow
oilers fans are just jealous that they have to pay top dollar to players who can't get them into the playoffs.
I'll take 12 goals, 3.5 mil and the playoffs ahead of 30 goals, 6 mil and a last place finish... jot to mention the fire sale that will be necessary when ALL their first rounders are demanding premium contracts
They had better be as good as they think they will be or else their drafting is suspect. Will they be a team of 3 or 4 superstar forwards then the rest of the team?
Eberle will be the best of them...
So if there is no season... and they sign to have a 2013/14 season as they want to go to the Olympics -- (I don't think that has even been discussed yet)... then how do they determine who picks where in the draft?
Or is it the down and out team at the bottom of the standings.. that get's to pick first and get the young Nova Scotian superstar.. just like what happened in 2005.
Gary and Don should just watch that lovely snipe by our boy Turry.
One look at that OT wrister and ANY hockey fan with a pulse would get a deal done based on that goal.
Again, I'm a SENS fan.
I'm at my wits end and I've always believed, even in the DARKEST days this summer that something would get done.
I know this is redundant at this point, but it, "this" cannot happen.
For the SENS sake.
Because I want to see more goals like game 4.
Here's hoping.
Agree with you 100% !!!!!
Not only were all the Sens players jumping with joy,
near the end boards, but the fans were also jumping
everywhere, when Turris scored that overtime winner .
We want to see a resolution before Sept 15th,
otherwise it will be a hell of a long winter !!!!!!!!!
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Niklas would have been 22. Simon was on the team and is a Fwd
Didn't you know? Bettman makes sure that all new ownership groups get the #1 pick so they can increase season ticket sales. Crosby in Pittsburgh, Ovechkin in Washington, so my guess is Phoenix "wins" the lottery and selects Nathan MacKinnon. Just wait and see.
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OR Toronto... they have new Ownership as well.
Also can anyone tell me why Burke is part of the bargaining committee which is supposed to be comprised of the Owners in the Board of Governers. He seems to be in a lot of the videos coming out of a CBA negotiating meeting. He is not an Owner, he is a GM. Could that be seen as too much influence with the NHL as a GM.
I know he worked in the league offices in the past but he is not part of it anymore.
After that Turris goal SBP was as loud as I have ever heard it even in the Cup Final. That was an amazing moment & I want to see more of that very soon. I`m so frustrated with the greed on both sides. It`s just ridiculous to think the 2nd lockout in 8 yrs is 13 days away.
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OR Toronto... they have new Ownership as well.
Also can anyone tell me why Burke is part of the bargaining committee which is supposed to be comprised of the Owners in the Board of Governers. He seems to be in a lot of the videos coming out of a CBA negotiating meeting. He is not an Owner, he is a GM. Could that be seen as too much influence with the NHL as a GM.
I know he worked in the league offices in the past but he is not part of it anymore.
After that Turris goal SBP was as loud as I have ever heard it even in the Cup Final. That was an amazing moment & I want to see more of that very soon. I`m so frustrated with the greed on both sides. It`s just ridiculous to think the 2nd lockout in 8 yrs is 13 days away.
You may have hit the nail on the head Sandy. Toronto gets the #1 pick and future star in return for not putting up a fight and allowing Markham to absorb a failing franchise within their territory.
But Karlsson was in Ottawa for the Rockette (or whatever you call them) just this past week? He can't play in Sweden... as they won't sign short-term contracts.
Cigarette Smoking Man:
"What I don't want to see is the Bills winning the Super Bowl.
As long as I'm alive - that doesn't happen."
Third Man In Black:
"Could be tough, sir. Buffalo wants it bad."
Cigarette Smoking Man:
"So did the Soviets in 1980."
Third Man In Black:
"What? You're saying that you rigged the Olympic hockey game?"
Cigarette Smoking Man:
"What's the matter? Don't you believe in miracles?"
LMAO !
(Third Man in Black = Gary Bettman)
This is what an EA rep told us... mind you none of us live in Ottawa.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=m-trends&v=EWQs3O_IDas
If the link doesn't work go to YouTube and type in NHL- Together we can #nolockout
http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=310
Good stuff, especially for you advanced statistics guys.
Too pro-players to me... I'm anti both sides this time. Arrogance and greed on both sides... Using the fans as a Pawn.
Travis Yotes has a pretty good article on HB right now... pretty good read...
Sept 15th, why not appoint a qualified Judge as Arbitrator,
and get this resolved before Sept 15th ???????????
Thanks will do. Ya I just figured it was a good watch lol
Question is who gives in first... Owners or the players.
Nashville & Minny will be hurting with no revenue coming in and those huge bonus signing payments that gave out..
The players.. the older ones don't want to lose another yrs salary.. vs the younger ones.. who haven't been through this before and will blindly follow Fehr to NHL ruin...
On the bright side -- 16 days to the 67's season opener..
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