It has been mentioned on this site a couple times in the past and has been making the rounds on Twitter over the weekend, but the Sens interest in Ducks forward Bobby Ryan remains. As I suggested last week, the price right now is too high for the Sens liking but the two sides will continue to discuss.
Ottawa will be one of many teams chasing the four time 30 goal scorer.
The word out of the Ducks camp seems to suggest that they would like to bring a second line centre back in the deal. If the Ducks are looking for Kyle Turris in return, I’d say that’s where trade talks will begin and end. Moving Turris would leave a significant hole in the Sens depth chart and is not the type of move the club is looking to make right now.
It’s also safe to assume that Mika Zibanejad’s name will come up in the discussions. It’s believed he was a key piece in the Rick Nash discussions earlier this summer.
So while the uncertainty around the current CBA remains, it seems as though Bryan Murray is exploring ways he can add to his team before the puck drops on the 2012/2013 season.
- The NHL and the NHLPA will resume negotiations today in Toronto. There hasn’t been a whole lot of good news to come out of the negotiations to date and with just over a month until the CBA expires, there is plenty of work to do. A lockout is a very real possibility right now but hopefully both sides realize the damage that would do to the league long term. Figure it out, fellas!
- There was talk about this earlier in the off season but it’s good to have confirmation. Forward Mika Zibanejad has confirmed that he plans to stay in North America this season even if he can’t crack the Sens roster. It will be Ottawa or Binghamton for the young Swede next season.
- A reminder to pick up your tickets for the Boat Cruise and Fireworks Spectacular in support of Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario. Be sure to select the tickets for SensChirp option when making your purchase.
Seeing how the coaches kept relying on Ceci on the 3rd period of last game, its safe to say he will probably get more minutes this time around.
Landeskogare getting,Mark Stone seems over-looked again. Do you guys thinkhe will crack the roster?
EDIT: Thx riceroni,yes i mean Silversberg
Landeskog or do you mean Silfverberg?
I think all 3 prospects will be given a shot and only 1 will make it and most likely that will be Silfverberg but Stone and Zibby will be given a full year of development in the AHL to get bigger and work out the kinks in their games.
Taking time to develop a high end prospect is not a bad thing afterall.
This is a business after all, and there is no guarantee he will be 'stud' for us, he is still an unproven prospect for us.
I'd be extremely happy to keep zibby, even though we are strong down the center. He would make an amazing 3c (or challenge turris maybe), or if he turns out to be too good for 3C, I'm sure he'd do great on the second line wing (or again, challenge turris).
The only reason his name keeps coming up for these big trades is because HE IS A TOP END PROSPECT, not because murray has necessarily already given up on him. Other teams want him because he has a good potential, and that is what it takes to land guys like ryan (anaheim won't ask for guys like costa...they'll go for lehner's and zibby's).
I'd go for a zibby, bishop, + 2013 first for ryan...but would be also happy if it fell through and we kept zibby (grow from within).
We are in a rebuild. Don't play games with terminology and use the word "re-tool" to trick you into thinking we can compete with the top teams in the east with the addition of Bobby Ryan.
The team will regress this season from its last. I have no doubt of this.
My hope. Murray sticks to the rebuild and passes on trading away our prospects and come this summer, takes a serious run at Corey Perry.
Let's not rush things. Give the kids another year or two and we will have a '10 Blackhawks'eske roster on our hands.
Report: NHL commissioner Gary Bettman made nearly $8 million in 2011-12 season - http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-on-hockey/19788627/report-nhl-commissioner-gary-bettman-made-nearly-8-million-last-year
Interesting. Also...note the comments at the end about the Legal fees spent with the Coyotes fiasco.
It's just not worth it... Let some other team overspend to get Ryan.
Keep the eyes on the re-build. I realize that there are a lot of (potential) really good forward prospects coming.. and there is not room for them all... but I would sooner go for a very good young defenseman -- from a team that has a glut of them.. rather than spending it on a forward.
My 2 cents...
Our organisational strengths at the minute are goalie depth and offensive prospect depth. Therefore that's where our offer should be drawn from.
If Anaheim want already established NHL players we don't (i hope) have the available pieces unless Anaheim will take Michalek a prospect and a pick. Even then that doesn't fill a gap it just changes it slightly.
There is no point in creating a huge hole at 2C just to get another top 6 winger. That is why the Methot/Foligno trade made sense - Foligno is far easier to replace than Turris.
If we can get Ryan for a goalie, Zbad and another 1st round prospect or pick then fine. I think somebody else will likely pay more for that. I'm fine with that too.
I'm not concerned with the fact Ryan has 3 years on his deal, my view on that is that it gives us 3 years to convince him to stay. Contracts are a fact of life and there are no guarantees that anybody plays 8 or 9 years with 1 team anymore. If Ryan is happy here, valued and the team is doing well he will stay - if we suck he'll leave, that's how it should be.
Greening-DaCost a-Stone-1st rounder 2013
Max I would give - and I find that that is better than what the Rangers gave for Nash. Anyways for sure our first rounder will be better than the Rangers. Stone better than Erixon potentially of course. All with the fact that the Ducks don't want salary back of course!
Anyways if we have to - u can add a spare piece. If you can do it while keeping Zibby - all the better.
i wouldn't say Turris is untouchable, after all he is only signed until the end of the season and we don't know if murray has already tried resigning him at a reasonable contract say 4-5 per season... Turris could eventually hold out if his agent thinks he can get big contract somewhere else, not to be negative but his agent could be a douche and pull another bold move.
There is no way that Turris is worth 4-5 per season considering the production he has had over his career. There is nothing that warrants 4-5 million per season. He will be worth that if this season end up being a 60 point season. Until then, it's all based on expectations...
The next contract Turris signs with the sens should be around 3.5 for 3 years. His big pay cheque isn't his next contract, it's the one after that providing he keeps progressing.
He's done nothing to warrant 5 million a season.
Or, he's so damn good he doesn't need a partner.
Where there's smoke there's usually fire. We simply don't have the room to have all these forward prospects break in and play appropriate roles on the team. Thus a trade will happen, a "quantity for quality" move as Tim Murray has said. I would guess the team has decided Silfverberg and Stone (and possibly Noesen) are worth more long term and are gambling that Zib has more value as trade bait due to his higher draft pedigree and exposure during last year's World Juniors.
Anything other than those pieces I think our team can afford to move. Say Greening, Zibanejad or Stone, Da Costa, preferably a 2014 1st rounder with the deep draft and all.
Nicely put
I whole heartedly agree. I'd love to try and get Brandon Gormley from Pheonix. That team is stacked on D and has so many extra NHL ready or near NHL ready prospects that won't get a chance in the next few years. If we could trade a forward prospect for Gormely we would be in good shape.
Couldnt have said it better myself
that is just priceless...nee d to get that guy on finding out who eklund is and exposing him as well, the leaf fans I work with though love hockeyinsiders rumours, that is because he says they are getting getzlaf lol.
type dwayne klessel into google and let auto complete do the rest
Fascinating. Have had some conversations with him over email and always seemed a little off. There were discussions about joining his team of "expert rumour breakers" on his new site but it just didn't feel right.
Will be interesting to see where this story goes from here.
ha..best one
- He stated to his fans that he met Shania Twain and she asked him out but he refused….
dare to dream dude, dare to dream.
Haha, it's so funny how many people were following him and expecting that he was a scout or assistant GM in the NHL.
Fans demand rumors, so fake people start giving it to them to satiate the need, and then when those people are found to be fakes people are surprised.
This kid must have been having so much fun!
definitely a fighter..from hockeysfuture
Kramer amassed 220 penalty minutes, including 22 fighting majors, while scoring four goals. The Edmonton Oil Kings selected Kramer in the 10th round (207th overall) in the 2009 WHL Bantam Draft.
2009-10: Though Grand Prairie failed to repeat as AJHL champions, Kramer emerged as a team leader in his second year with the Storm. In 58 games, he displayed the scoring touch that he showed in Peace River scoring 19 goals with 11 assists while leading the AJHL with 311 penalty minutes – including 25 fighting majors.
Kramer is one of the toughest fighters in junior hockey with some offensive ability and a keen understanding of situational play. While his skating and technical skills, particularly stickhandling and passing, are areas which need improvement, he has been on winning teams at every level of hockey and brings a team-first approach to the game. His shot and willingness to go to the net are valuable power play assets.
Good - better stay pat than overpay excessively.
Not at all surprised, they will want at least the same sort of deal as Nash
He's just a kid... Who cares anyway... The real person to expose is Eklund! That guy is a d bag...
The reality is that when you consider the possibility of Ryan being an extended rental and even potentially an unhappy camper in Ottawa, plus the fact that many other teams are under much more pressure to add talent - Ottawa is just not a likely place for him to land.
The price we'd likely have to pay to outbid other teams just doesn't line up with the value we'd get to have him for three years.
Now, if Murray feels/knows that he has an excellent chance to resign Ryan before he goes UFA and that Ryan is keen to play in Ottawa then that would change things considerably.
He is indeed a real person with a first name and even someone some on this site have met.
Now that's credibility.
I know there are some that won't see it that way but I like to think I'm in a different category than the "anonymous hockey blogger" that draws heat from the mainstream media.
There's a difference between being "anonymous" and simply being discrete.
Pretty much anyone could track you down if they wanted to or can at least find people that have met you or something.
Anaheim's focus will be re-signing/trad ing Perry and Getzlaf before they become UFAs. Ryan is the only one under contract and if both walk and Selanne and Koivu retire he'll be the only credible top-six forward left on the team.
Ottawa should focus on trading for Perry. Perry's 27, from outside Toronto, drafted by Murray, and knows how to put the puck in the net. Asking price will be less considering he's a pending UFA. A sign and trade with the Sens would be ideal.
I can see a third line of Greening-Regin- Zibby - pretty good 3rd line IMO. +
Michalek-Spezza-Silf
Latendresse-Turris-Alfie
Condra-Smith-Neil
Getting another D would be more logical.
The other nice thing with Perry is that, since he's in his last year of his contract, it's actually possible to discuss an extension as part of the trade. i.e. the Ducks could give Murray permission to discuss a contract with Perry and if both Murray and Perry's agent feel they have a deal that will work they pull the trigger on the trade and then sign the extension.
That eliminates the concern that there is with Ryan that he might only be around for 3 years.
People calling him a "3 year rental" is laughable.
3 years is a very long time. If anything having him for 3 years is much more attractive to the Murray's then him being on a 7 or so year deal.
If anyones noticed our team does not sign players to stupid long term contracts. And thank god we don't.
If we were at all interested in doing that we had a perfect opportunity to sign the best defenceman in the league to a life long deal. But we didn't. Its a huge risk financially and to the franchise. Those deals are next to impossible to trade away if any problems occur down the road.
Having Ryan here on a 3 year deal is perfect for us and him. He will finally have an opportuntity to light up the league by being the go-to finisher along a top 5 playmaker. Then he can cash in on a 6 or 7 year deal for bigger money.
The fact people think Americans only want to play in the states is complete boggus. There are tons of players who willingly choose to stay in canada long term (off the top of my head Phil Kessel, Brian Gionta and Ryan Kessler all have said they love playing in their respected canadian markets).
Another point people have brought up that I would like to address is Zibanejad being as good as or better than Ryan or Nash some day. I call complete B.S on that. First Nash was one of the most highly touted 1st overall picks in years and has done nothing but dominate the league. Ryan was 2nd overall behind none other than Crosby so basically another 1st overall pick who has proven to be an iron-man who scored 30goals a season while being the 3rd wheel in anaheim.
Zibanejad will be good but probably won't even be a 1st liner never mind a superstar.
As for any other pieces we give up. WHO CARES! Its about getting the best player in the trade. Role players are easy to replace
Personally if you have the ability to sign a player with the skills Ryan has, you offer up. Now I'm not saying trade Turris if that's the asking, cause like the rest of you I want to see him develop here. But I don't expect Turris to be a point producer in the likes of Ryan. So something has to give at some point. Guess the real question is how bad do we need a top line wing for Spezza?
If we feel it's unlikely he'd stay past those three years that doesn't mean we don't still want him - but I think it would impact what we'd be willing to give up. While if we had a good feeling we could keep him beyond that then we'd be willing to give up more (i.e. one of our blue-chip prospects).
We're not "signing" him, we're trading for him and likely trading A LOT.
I would say our top line winger need is slightly less than our need to keep a legit #2C (who right now is Turris and nobody else - if Regin, Zibanejad or player X are considered ready to take over #2C then Turris becomes easier to move).
I personnally think that turris will be a better player then zibby and regin by a large margin
And I honestly think Bryan Murray feels even stronger about than then any of us. He had to trade one his biggest assets to get him. He clearly loves the guy. He won't turn around and trade him until he sees absolutely everything he's got.
People need to cool off on that.
I think with anaheims strong contigent of Swedish prospects. They may be heading in a similar direction to us with that.
I also don't understand why people keep throwing in Lehner or Bishop intheir trade ideas. We were only offering one of those two in the Nash deal because Columbus apparently were desperate for a goalie. Anaheim is the complete opposite. They're even deeper than us in that area.
I think Zibanjead and maybe Petterson along with one or two other pieces would be enticing for anaheim. Both are young, cheap and on the verge of being nhl ready. They also go along with their swedish theme.
I'm guessing they also want a D-man in the package. Which most likely means Ceci but I highly doubt Murray would be down for that. So maybe oine of our tier two defenceman as one of the secondary pieces would work.
I hope we don't give up a 1st in the deal as we wouldn't have a 1st or 2nd this year which would suck but I doubt it would be a deal breaker if anaheim insisted on it.
I can't wait to see what happenes.
Like some have said Perry would also be a great player to get. I'd be down with either him, Ryan or nothing at all. So I think were in a very good spot
You mean a deal like a bag of pucks +a first round pick for Ryan???
Totally agree. Though Zibby might have his moments where he's close - plus he's a different style of player.
Best case scenario is both end up in the top 6 with one on Spezza's wing.
Yeah best case senario but I could see zibby on turris wing... But I can't see turris has a winger at all even tho I can see him has one hell of a sniper... I still have chills from that overtime winner in the playoffs I was at the game... Amazing memories. Hehe
I agree.
Realistically, someone (Zibby most likely) would have to step up HUGE to be a strong enough #2C to justify moving Turris to Spezza's wing on a regular basis. Which just solidifies why I feel moving Turris out to get a top line winger doesn't make a lot of sense on the surface.
We've pretty much never had a solid 2C. Fisher was as close as we've ever had and he was really an excellent 3C that did an "okay" job as 2C. With Turris being so young and (seemingly) having a great attitude to try and improve what with him staying in Ottawa this summer, I'm pretty psyched to see what this year will bring.
I don't think that's what he meant, its more of a question of if Zibby or Regin somehow can handle 2nd line center duties, at that point is Turris or Ryan worth more.
Right but it's not quite that simple.
You'd have to equate the downgrade from Turris to Zibby/Regin to the upgrade from Michalek to Ryan (assuming MM9 goes too). Or however the trade shapes up. I personally don't see any trade involving Turris that makes it worth while for us (not one that the Ducks would agree to anyway). I'm not sure I'd do Turris for Ryan straight up and I know the Ducks wouldn't. Unless I somehow was 100% confident that Zibanejad (or someone else) could be a 2C at a level where we never really think "Gee, I wish we had a better 2C".
Yeah for sure.... I just wanna get the show rolling and see turris improvement. The fact too that his gonna have a full season with us is enough the get me all excited.
But yeah the fact we need top 3 winger doesn't outweighs how much that 2c is worth way more. Cause finding a good center is not a easy task... We have 4 great center and one that has to prove himself. Spezza turris smith obrien I feel that down the middle there not that much to improve. But I personally feel we should just stat pat... On less of course the offer is fair or really good on are side. I'm never big fan of overpayment to get a player were not that desperate yet..
I'd give it a long hard thought.
I wouldn't even think about...
I always will see zibby has winger and not a center
Stefan Noesen — After missing the cut last season, Noesen had a pretty impactful camp in Lake Placid. With five points, he showed his ability to produce and may have found a terrific match in Sean Kuraly as a linemate. Those two both used speed and power effectively and Noesen had a knack for finding Kuraly in space. I wonder if the camp would have been different for Noesen had he not gotten hooked up with Kuraly and Mario Lucia. For whatever reason that line worked. Noesen certainly has that style of game that you need to be successful at the WJC. Last year’s squad lacked the combination of grit and skill, but Noesen has both. The U.S. has an immensely challenging pool in Ufa with Canada and Russia. They need a guy like Noesen, who doesn’t get pushed around and produces.
Yes I know he got drafted has a center. But last year he played most of the time has a winger. Now a forward get pretty much play any position now a days. Unless your a really good face off guy or seething like that. And with the shot that zibby has and how he likes to do does one timers I would see him more for a winger
Fehr came from baseball -- that's what baseball has. If this is really true... then the Rangers (for example) will be like the Yankees and spend on the big-name, star players and win championships after championships.
You would have maybe 6 or 7 really rich teams that would be for this in a big way.. Rangers, Buffalo, Philly, Toronto, Montreal, Chicago. There are your contenders under a luxury tax system.. the rest of the teams get the players left over -- hense are not competitive against the big spenders.
There goes the parity in the league. It's back to the haves and have-nots. Those rich teams would think nothing of paying a penalty to go above the cap.. if they consistently win championships.
We lost a year of hockey in 2004-05 for absolutely nothing -- if this goes through.
Thanks. Appreciate it. Looking forward to him. Love to see him take a stab at Grats record here.
Kramer is a stud.
But Monohan is Moneyhan. What I would do to get this kid in a sens uniform, reminds me of Toews.
No offense but your comments about Ceci are absolutely ridiculous. First off the kid is 18 years old. Do you really think that he will play in the NHL next year? I've seen some comments from people on here that they think he may get some games with the Sens next season. Maybe a pre-season game but that is all.
He will dominate for the 67's, play for Team Canada at the World juniors and develop into a good young d-man. It takes time to become a NHL d-man. My thinking is that we give him 3 years before he cracks the lineup. 2 years with the 67's and one year in Bingo. People need to stop wanting to rush kids into a man's league.
Haven't watched any of the games in this series but have heard that in Russia, Ceci played very well.
Judging by the Canada-Russia challenge, I don't think he'll crack the WJ roster.
Kramer is someone who will eventually lace it up in Ottawa, it's just a matter of time. Sens brass knew what they were doing when they drafted this kid. He has a scoring touch, nose for the net and is one of the best fighters in Jr. When he's on the ice players need to watch out. That is the type of guy the Sens are looking to have in the bottom 6 for years to come, and will eventually replace the toughness of Neil.
maybe they should scratch Scheifle too (sp?)...been either terribly snakebitten or ineffective. as for Ceci, 2 game sample, not going to put any stock in it.
I really don't believe he is 17. I don't think he's as legit as he says, but he has gotten more right than Eklund and Eklund does have a 'few' ties to teams....
Not sure who is he, but he has nailed a few correct. He has zero professionalism though and does talk (write) like he is younger, but nobody can deny a few of the deals he had written about before someone else.
#NHLDucks have asked #Sens for Cowen, Regin, ZBad & 1st for #Ryan? Sure and why not thrown in Alfie and Lehner for good
If this is Legit walk away....Cowen is the deal breaker there for me.
Nothing else is that shocking.
yikes forget that..insert Weircioch instead of Cowen..deal..bu t can understand them wanting a stud D-man.
No way this is a true request, as Ryan is a good top 6 or even top 3 player, but never worth 3 roster players + 1st
Round pick ???
Milan Michalek has 35 goals and 25 assists = 60 points
Bobby Ryan has 31 goals and 26 assists = 57 points.
The above would mean that a trade would be
Michalek for Ryan ( 1 for 1 )
Cowen is not being included in any trade.
I could see Zibanejad & Regin + 1st Rounder for Ryan .
They will want Stone as he is a hometown boy, plus a first and a Zbad quality prospect. He won't come cheap.
Reinhart and Hamilton didn't play last night, and they're not going to scratch Murray or Murphy. They don't need Ceci's offence with both Ryan's carrying the puck but they do need the defensive presence of Griffin and Dougie. Ceci isn't as experienced as the other guys on a big stage. He's young, it's not a slight against him.
I have been saying this route needs to be tried before doing anything for about a month. I suspect it would be a tonne though, and Stone would 100% be involved(person ally I don't have a huge problem with it depending what else).
Starting point would be
Stone
2013(maybe 2014 as well) 1st
I assume at least one other highend prospect
+
Agreed. We have to remember Turris is only 22 yrs old... He was brought into the NHL too early. He played a lot of his time in a defensive-minde d system and was not totally developed properly.
He seems very committed to getting better.. considering how hard he has worked on his conditioning this season. He is a true #2 centre.. who at times can fill in for Spezza in the future should Spezza get injured.. We have no one, right now, that could comfortably slide into Turris' spot.
I don't believe Murray even considers trading him. For quite some time, the Sens had a hole at the #2 centre position.. that has been filled.. he will not give that away.
STOP THINKING THIS KID IS GREATER THAN HE IS AND STOP UNDERVALUING ALL OUR PLAYERS
ZIBBY WILL BE AS GOOD AS RYAN WITHIN 3 YEARS
NEXT YEARS PICK WILL BE TOP 10 IN A DEEP DRAFT
STAY THE COURSE AND THINK LONG TERM INSTEAD OF CHASING NAMES CAUSE YOU ARE BORED