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Friday, 10 August 2012 08:00

Friday News and Notes

The first month or so of the off season seemed to fly by but now things have slowed to a snail's pace.

The excitement of the draft and free agency are in the rearview and have been replaced by the doom and gloom of the upcoming collective bargaining agreement negotiations.  As we hit another slow day in August, here are a few pieces of news and notes to get you through this rainy Friday.

  • After being bought out by the Ottawa Senators a couple weeks back, forward Bobby Butler has found a new home in the NHL. Butler has signed on with the defending Eastern Conference champion, New Jersey Devils. It's a one year, two way contract. Apparently Butler was exploring a number of offers, including a couple options overseas, but decided that the Devils were his best chance to return to the National Hockey League.  Best of luck, Bobby!
  • While all the focus in Anaheim remains zeroed in on the future of winger Bobby Ryan, teams have begun to circle the Ducks, to check on the availability of a couple UFAs to be in Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry. If the Ducks do decide to make either of those players available, you can expect Bryan Murray to kick the tires a little bit. Especially in the case of Corey Perry. Murray drafted Perry while he was with the Ducks and is obviously a big fan.
  • As Sens fans look ahead to the start of training camp in a month, Commissioner Gary Bettman sent out a harsh reminder of just how important the current CBA negotiations are. Bettman emphasized that if there isn't a new CBA by September 15, he will not hesitate to lock the players out. That leaves a little over a month to get something done. Really wish the two sides would cut the media posturing BS and get to work! The group with the least influence in these negotiations is also the group with the most to lose, and that's the fans.
  • Mentioned this on Twitter the other day, but I recently picked up a copy of Behind the Moves. This book tells the story of NHL GMs and the thought process behind being a manager in the best league in the world. I'll be posting interesting bits and pieces from that book over the remainder of the summer. Once I'm done, I think we'll do a contest of some sort for my copy of the book.
  • A reminder to pick up your tickets for the Boat Cruise and Fireworks Spectacular in support of Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario. Be sure to select the tickets for SensChirp option when making your purchase. Hope to see some of you on the boat!
  • Going to be off the grid for a couple days. I foolishly agreed to a camping trip this weekend which coincedentally, is the first rainy freakin' weekend of the summer. Should Sens news break, and I would be shocked if it did, keep an eye on the comment section for all the latest.

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0 #1 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-08-10 07:32
Guess you will be doing a whole lot of staying in your tent
and playing games, such as monopoly or card games.

Gonna be hard to start a campfire with no dry wood, and even if you are lucky to start it, the rain will drench
the fire !!

Hope you enjoy fishing to pass the time !!

P.S. See that you have fixed your clock to Daylight Saving Time up above, but my post is at 7:32 AM ??
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0 #2 AlfieforMayor11 2012-08-10 07:37
Thanks Chirp, have a great weekend! Hopefully the rain stays away for the weekend. It's not looking good though.

I think the only way Getzlaf or Perry become available is if Bob Murray knows that those two intend on testing free agency next summer. Still, there's no need to trade either of those guys for the next few months.

That rumored offer that Burkie sent the Ducks yesterday for Getzlaf, Grabovski+Kadri +Frattin+1st rounder is a doozy of a trade. I think value wise it's pretty fair for a player of Getzlaf's calibre, but I hope Bob Murray remembers that 9 times out of 10, the team that gets the best player in the trade usually ends up getting the better end of the deal.

I hope to god that the Leafs don't get Getzlaf.

What do you guys think is fair value for the Sens to give up for Perry?
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0 #3 Dave_Sens 2012-08-10 07:43
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Thanks Chirp, have a great weekend! Hopefully the rain stays away for the weekend. It's not looking good though.

I think the only way Getzlaf or Perry become available is if Bob Murray knows that those two intend on testing free agency next summer. Still, there's no need to trade either of those guys for the next few months.

That rumored offer that Burkie sent the Ducks yesterday for Getzlaf, Grabovski+Kadri+Frattin+1st rounder is a doozy of a trade. I think value wise it's pretty fair for a player of Getzlaf's calibre, but I hope Bob Murray remembers that 9 times out of 10, the team that gets the best player in the trade usually ends up getting the better end of the deal.

I hope to god that the Leafs don't get Getzlaf.

What do you guys think is fair value for the Sens to give up for Perry?


Michalek,Zibane jad,Condra and a first round pick would be fair.
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0 #4 NikoTn 2012-08-10 08:15
Quoting Dave_Sens:
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Thanks Chirp, have a great weekend! Hopefully the rain stays away for the weekend. It's not looking good though.

I think the only way Getzlaf or Perry become available is if Bob Murray knows that those two intend on testing free agency next summer. Still, there's no need to trade either of those guys for the next few months.

That rumored offer that Burkie sent the Ducks yesterday for Getzlaf, Grabovski+Kadri+Frattin+1st rounder is a doozy of a trade. I think value wise it's pretty fair for a player of Getzlaf's calibre, but I hope Bob Murray remembers that 9 times out of 10, the team that gets the best player in the trade usually ends up getting the better end of the deal.

I hope to god that the Leafs don't get Getzlaf.

What do you guys think is fair value for the Sens to give up for Perry?


Michalek,Zibanejad,Condra and a first round pick would be fair.


It would be pointless to trade Michalek.
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0 #5 AlfieforMayor11 2012-08-10 08:21
Quoting NikoTn:
Quoting Dave_Sens:
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:


What do you guys think is fair value for the Sens to give up for Perry?


Michalek,Zibanejad,Condra and a first round pick would be fair.


It would be pointless to trade Michalek.


While I would usually agree with that statement, trading Michalek in a deal for Perry would be an enormous upgrade.

Corey Perry is a top 5 winger in the NHL. Michalek will never come close to that caliber of player.

Meanwhile, we have a handful of prospects who have the potential to be as good as Michalek. Replacing Michalek is much easier to do than finding a star winger like Perry.
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-5 #6 Ronnie 2012-08-10 08:22
I would say do just blow everything up and go for Corey perry and bobby Ryan!!!

Something like

To Ottawa

Corey perry
Bobby Ryan

To Anaheim

1st 2013
1st 2014
Zibby
Greening
Cleasseon
Pumepel
Gonchar

Something like that haha
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-1 #7 Tookie 2012-08-10 08:24
Quoting NikoTn:
Quoting Dave_Sens:
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Thanks Chirp, have a great weekend! Hopefully the rain stays away for the weekend. It's not looking good though.

I think the only way Getzlaf or Perry become available is if Bob Murray knows that those two intend on testing free agency next summer. Still, there's no need to trade either of those guys for the next few months.

That rumored offer that Burkie sent the Ducks yesterday for Getzlaf, Grabovski+Kadri+Frattin+1st rounder is a doozy of a trade. I think value wise it's pretty fair for a player of Getzlaf's calibre, but I hope Bob Murray remembers that 9 times out of 10, the team that gets the best player in the trade usually ends up getting the better end of the deal.

I hope to god that the Leafs don't get Getzlaf.

What do you guys think is fair value for the Sens to give up for Perry?


Michalek,Zibanejad,Condra and a first round pick would be fair.


It would be pointless to trade Michalek.



Not pointless to the Ducks, this is probably in the ballpark of what it would take.

You have to remember there is 2 trading partners, the Ducks wont walk away with our garbage for they're star player.

Zibanejad is a highly touted draft pick, nothing else, Michalek gives them proven scoring, Condra not too sure what he brings to Anaheim, maybe replace him with Greening who the Ducks would love (big and can skate) and a 1st round pick.

To Ottawa
Corey Perry

To Anaheim
Michalek
Greening
Zibanejad
1st Round pick 2013
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0 #8 Ronnie 2012-08-10 08:25
Prabrobly they would want silver or stone and I would thrown michalek
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0 #9 A Train 2012-08-10 08:39
Sorry y'all but it's probably time to start thinking about what a lockout until at least January would mean for the Sens.

Interesting situation for the younger guys looking to crack the roster. What are the North American options for guys like Zibanejad and Silfverberg?
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0 #10 Tcharger 2012-08-10 08:47
Hahahaha @ swapping Michalek for Perry would be pointless....Ma n way to be a complete and utter homer.

I suspect we will see very little movement with the impending lockout.
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0 #11 chadillac 2012-08-10 08:58
Quoting Tcharger:
Hahahaha @ swapping Michalek for Perry would be pointless....Man way to be a complete and utter homer.

I suspect we will see very little movement with the impending lockout.

Normally, I don't like trading one of our best wingers cause I want to establish some depth. Two top-tier scoring lines would be sick. However, in order to get Perry, I'd be willing to do that move.
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0 #12 spezzerman 2012-08-10 09:04
in case anyone is looking, this link seems to be working for the canada-russia game

http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/134824/1/watch-russia-vs-canada,-u20.html
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-1 #13 Sandy 2012-08-10 09:10
I have a sinking feeling it will be a very long time before we see NHL hockey.

January would seem early to me.

Seems like the Owners are digging in for a long one. They will not give.

There would not even be a need for revenue sharing if the NHL would just move those franchises that are in places where no one gives a damn, to place where hockey actually matters..

The Owners created this mess - they won and were happy with the CBA in 2005 -- but they couldn't control their own.. and here we are again.. another lockout.. the 3rd under Bettman... Question is.. do we even have a season?

Bye, Alfie...

Stay dry, Chirp...
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0 #14 AlfieforMayor11 2012-08-10 09:15
Quoting Sandy:
I have a sinking feeling it will be a very long time before we see NHL hockey.

January would seem early to me.

Seems like the Owners are digging in for a long one. They will not give.

There would not even be a need for revenue sharing if the NHL would just move those franchises that are in places where no one gives a damn, to place where hockey actually matters..

The Owners created this mess - they won and were happy with the CBA in 2005 -- but they couldn't control their own.. and here we are again.. another lockout.. the 3rd under Bettman... Question is.. do we even have a season?

Bye, Alfie...

Stay dry, Chirp...


This was the most depressing post in the history of this website :(
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+1 #15 AlfieforMayor11 2012-08-10 09:16
Ceci is playing today in the Canada/Russia challenge.
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0 #16 Sandy 2012-08-10 09:19
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Quoting Sandy:
I have a sinking feeling it will be a very long time before we see NHL hockey.

January would seem early to me.

Seems like the Owners are digging in for a long one. They will not give.

There would not even be a need for revenue sharing if the NHL would just move those franchises that are in places where no one gives a damn, to place where hockey actually matters..

The Owners created this mess - they won and were happy with the CBA in 2005 -- but they couldn't control their own.. and here we are again.. another lockout.. the 3rd under Bettman... Question is.. do we even have a season?

Bye, Alfie...

Stay dry, Chirp...


This was the most depressing post in the history of this website :(


Maybe.. but I'm pretty pissed off after that Bettman announced that yesterday. The Owners want to 'win' this again.. and Fehr is not Saskin.. he will not give in. I still see a long lockout.
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0 #17 spezzerman 2012-08-10 09:20
Maybe it is just denial, but I still don't think there will be a lockout.

I really don't see how anyone gains anything from another lockout. Owners can't afford it, the league can't afford it, players don't want it, the fans certainly don't want it. Bettman HAS to lose his job if they have a 3rd straight lockout under his watch. So who gains from this?

Sidney Crosby is the most powerful person in hockey, does he want to lose a second full year of his career to a lockout?

it would be devastating to lose another year or half year or whatever.
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0 #18 Sens of Peskyville 2012-08-10 09:25
It's been said before, but one of the reasons why the 2003 draft class is doing so well in the NHL is because the last lockout allowed them an extra year of development rather than being rushed into the NHL.

While another lockout would really suck for Alfie, it could turn out to be very beneficial to teams with lots of prospects on the brink of the NHL (like the Sens) who get that extra year of growth and development.

Also, would suck for the fans...
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0 #19 Sandy 2012-08-10 09:27
Quoting spezzerman:
Maybe it is just denial, but I still don't think there will be a lockout.

I really don't see how anyone gains anything from another lockout. Owners can't afford it, the league can't afford it, players don't want it, the fans certainly don't want it. Bettman HAS to lose his job if they have a 3rd straight lockout under his watch. So who gains from this?

Sidney Crosby is the most powerful person in hockey, does he want to lose a second full year of his career to a lockout?

it would be devastating to lose another year or half year or whatever.


Doesn't matter what the players want.. even Crosby.. gets him more time away from his last concussion.

I think a lot of the issues can be dealt with.. but the hockey revenue sharing is going to be a hard one to deal with.

Maybe I'm just trying to convince myself it will be a long lockout.. and if there isn't -- I'll be just that more happy.

Until then... it's the 67's for me.. at SBP. Get to see a lot of Ceci...
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-1 #20 Misaow 2012-08-10 09:36
Quoting spezzerman:
Sidney Crosby is the most powerful person in hockey, does he want to lose a second full year of his career to a lockout?

Crosby was not affected by the last lockout... Ovechkin was.
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0 #21 Sandy 2012-08-10 09:38
Wow, Ceci, looks really big on the ice.
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0 #22 NikoTn 2012-08-10 09:39
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Quoting NikoTn:
Quoting Dave_Sens:
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:


What do you guys think is fair value for the Sens to give up for Perry?


Michalek,Zibanejad,Condra and a first round pick would be fair.


It would be pointless to trade Michalek.


While I would usually agree with that statement, trading Michalek in a deal for Perry would be an enormous upgrade.

Corey Perry is a top 5 winger in the NHL. Michalek will never come close to that caliber of player.

Meanwhile, we have a handful of prospects who have the potential to be as good as Michalek. Replacing Michalek is much easier to do than finding a star winger like Perry.



Yeah, actually that makes sense. I was still on Bobby Ryan mode so I wasn't going to include Michalek. However, would you think the price for Perry would be higher than Ryan?
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0 #23 Sandy 2012-08-10 09:39
Quoting Misaow:
Quoting spezzerman:
Sidney Crosby is the most powerful person in hockey, does he want to lose a second full year of his career to a lockout?

Crosby was not affected by the last lockout... Ovechkin was.


That's right.. he was drafted in 2005.. and Pittsburg, a team near bankruptcy.. close to being moved 'conveniently' won the draft lottery... and selected Crosby who saved that franchise...
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0 #24 spezzerman 2012-08-10 09:40
Quoting Misaow:
Quoting spezzerman:
Sidney Crosby is the most powerful person in hockey, does he want to lose a second full year of his career to a lockout?

Crosby was not affected by the last lockout... Ovechkin was.


oh yes of course. you're right, my mistake.
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0 #25 Misaow 2012-08-10 09:47
Quoting spezzerman:
oh yes of course. you're right, my mistake.

And Ovechkin complained a little that he should have been eligible for the previous season, missing the cut off date by 2 days (born Sept 17th, cut off Sept 15th). Tavares also complained about this rule when he could not get drafted in 2008.

Quoting Sandy:
That's right.. he was drafted in 2005.. and Pittsburg, a team near bankruptcy.. close to being moved 'conveniently' won the draft lottery... and selected Crosby who saved that franchise...

And Mario came back to play.... and they got Malkin the next season...
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0 #26 AllStarAlfie 2012-08-10 09:59
I know we are all excited to see our prospects such as silfverberg this year but which player that is not a rookie/prospect do you think will surprise us the most?

Turris I think is going to have a breakout season but I think smith and methot are going to have much better years than last year. My prediction for methot is that he will get off to a slow start but as he adjusts, I think he will prove to be better than kuba.

What are your thoughts?
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+1 #27 A Train 2012-08-10 10:10
Quoting AllStarAlfie:
I know we are all excited to see our prospects such as silfverberg this year but which player that is not a rookie/prospect do you think will surprise us the most?

Turris I think is going to have a breakout season but I think smith and methot are going to have much better years than last year. My prediction for methot is that he will get off to a slow start but as he adjusts, I think he will prove to be better than kuba.

What are your thoughts?


Cowen. He's obviously been overshadowed by Karlsson, but remember he was a rookie last season. I think this season he reminds the NHL why he was considered a top 5 (maybe 3) pick before the injury in his draft year.
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+1 #28 sens23 2012-08-10 10:20
i get that perry would be a great pick up

but why is everyone tossing out massive trade proposals for a guy who could leave the sens at the end of the season

or is everyone assuming perry would be signed and then traded to ottawa?

i only bring it up because there were people on here saying they wanted to stay away from Bobby Ryan because he could leave in 3 years. but Perry could leave after this season if traded for right now
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0 #29 Sandy 2012-08-10 10:50
When do you think the Sens start discussion contract extension with Turris?

BTW -- Team Canada losing 3-1 going into the 3rd period.
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0 #30 Sensnation 2012-08-10 11:12
Any chance we can stop worrying about a lockout that isn't even close to happening yet. August is going to get really long if people keep posting these doom and gloom scenarios that likely will never happen.

Perry would be nice, but the amount some of you are willing to give up for him is crazy. Yes he's an upgrade on Michalek, but to act like he's two 1st rounds and a player better than Michalek is crazy, especially with being a UFA next summer. Unless he's willing to sign an extension, I would not trade for him. If he'll sign the extension Michalek, a role player and a 1st/prospect should be enough.
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0 #31 Sensnation 2012-08-10 11:14
Quoting A Train:
Quoting AllStarAlfie:
I know we are all excited to see our prospects such as silfverberg this year but which player that is not a rookie/prospect do you think will surprise us the most?

Turris I think is going to have a breakout season but I think smith and methot are going to have much better years than last year. My prediction for methot is that he will get off to a slow start but as he adjusts, I think he will prove to be better than kuba.

What are your thoughts?


Cowen. He's obviously been overshadowed by Karlsson, but remember he was a rookie last season. I think this season he reminds the NHL why he was considered a top 5 (maybe 3) pick before the injury in his draft year.


Completely agree. I think Cowen and Turris will take huge jumps this year!
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0 #32 AlfieforMayor11 2012-08-10 11:20
I think we're all expecting both Cowen and Turris to have really strong seasons this year.
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-2 #33 DenisVial 2012-08-10 11:22
Quoting Sensnation:
Any chance we can stop worrying about a lockout that isn't even close to happening yet. August is going to get really long if people keep posting these doom and gloom scenarios that likely will never happen.

Perry would be nice, but the amount some of you are willing to give up for him is crazy. Yes he's an upgrade on Michalek, but to act like he's two 1st rounds and a player better than Michalek is crazy, especially with being a UFA next summer. Unless he's willing to sign an extension, I would not trade for him. If he'll sign the extension Michalek, a role player and a 1st/prospect should be enough.


It would be foolish to trade for Perry unless it was a sign and trade. I would be fine with Michalek, a 1st, and a prospect (Zbad or Stone), if we could lock Perry up for 5 or 6 years. I have a funny feeling that any time Murray is in trade talks that Noesen is being requested as a return. I think his stock has really risen, and he may be a more desirable trade target than our other prospects except Silfverberg. Maybe since he's from Texas, we can trade him + ? for Jamie Benn and Dallas can have a home grown hero. Wishful thinking.
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0 #34 A Train 2012-08-10 11:35
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
I think we're all expecting both Cowen and Turris to have really strong seasons this year.


I guess. I find Cowen gets a little buried in the excitement surrounding our other prospects. Just my impression.
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0 #35 Sensnation 2012-08-10 11:36
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting Sensnation:
Any chance we can stop worrying about a lockout that isn't even close to happening yet. August is going to get really long if people keep posting these doom and gloom scenarios that likely will never happen.

Perry would be nice, but the amount some of you are willing to give up for him is crazy. Yes he's an upgrade on Michalek, but to act like he's two 1st rounds and a player better than Michalek is crazy, especially with being a UFA next summer. Unless he's willing to sign an extension, I would not trade for him. If he'll sign the extension Michalek, a role player and a 1st/prospect should be enough.


It would be foolish to trade for Perry unless it was a sign and trade. I would be fine with Michalek, a 1st, and a prospect (Zbad or Stone), if we could lock Perry up for 5 or 6 years. I have a funny feeling that any time Murray is in trade talks that Noesen is being requested as a return. I think his stock has really risen, and he may be a more desirable trade target than our other prospects except Silfverberg. Maybe since he's from Texas, we can trade him + ? for Jamie Benn and Dallas can have a home grown hero. Wishful thinking.


If Perry re-signs long term I might be able to be convinced, but I agree not Noesen.

Jamie Benn would be awesome, but he's the franchise cornerstone in Dallas and it sounds like they have no interest in ever trading him.
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0 #36 Sensnation 2012-08-10 11:41
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
I think we're all expecting both Cowen and Turris to have really strong seasons this year.


Yes, but how strong. I think Turris gets 25+goals 35+assists and Cowen gets 30+pts playing 22+ mins a night. I'm sure there are some that think even higher and some people expecting strong seasons but more normal point increases. So maybe quantifying the strong seasons makes more sense then so we can see how differently we all feel.
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0 #37 RUSHRLZ 2012-08-10 12:05
Classy move Chirp, I like it when you heavyweight Sens bloggers support each other. ;)
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+1 #38 NikoTn 2012-08-10 12:33
Quoting Tcharger:
Hahahaha @ swapping Michalek for Perry would be pointless....Man way to be a complete and utter homer.

I suspect we will see very little movement with the impending lockout.


Not being a homer, what I am saying is that Ottawa is searching for an additional top 6 winger. This means that they want add one without subtracting one preferably. If it was Corey perry, I would trade Michalek.

If it was Ryan, i wouldn't.
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-2 #39 jakester 2012-08-10 12:48
Why don't the SENS bust Toronto's bubble and offer for GETZLAF

Michalek-DaCost a-Stone(or someone else)-and 1st rounder

Then you have

Latendresse-Spezza-Turris
Alfie-Getzlaf-Silfverberg
Greening-Regin-Zibby
O'Brien-Smith-Neil

Decent little team I think. Good 1-2 punch then Perry would be tempted next year. If it works for pittsburgh with Crosby and Malkin it can work in Ottawa too.
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0 #40 C.J. 2012-08-10 12:52
Why would anyone be okay with Michalek being part of a package for Perry? Michalek and Perry both had 60 points this season (9MM 35G 25A, Perry 37G 23A), they are both 27, and they are both top six forwards. We need to add a top six forward not subtract one. Although Perry has been more consistent over his career, he is currently on a downward trend and Michalek is on an upward trend.

Sounds like an extremely risky trade if Michalek would be part of the package. The only thing that would make a Michlaek + prospect + 1st rounder for Perry trade make sense would be if Perry returned to his Rocket Richard form immediately after we acquired him, but that may never happen.

Hold on to 9MM while he's hot and in his prime IMO, who's to say he won't improve on last years numbers?
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0 #41 SensFanInMTL 2012-08-10 13:00
You guys are all forgetting that Canadian superstar players would only represent their country but not want to play in it (see Rick Nash). If I'm wrong and Perry decides to play in Ottawa via trade, signing, whatever, then I'll come back and apologize to every single member on this site. But realistically, how many of you guys see him donning in a Senators uniform?

There is no reason to lose any assets in our prospects. Murray will simply have to sell the idea to come play alongside Spezza and simply walk at the end of the season. Unless Perry is dealt at the deadline, then the assets must be moved. But if decides to walk, we lose absolutely nothing. Then we can comeback here and start forming our lines. It'll be so fun.
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+1 #42 C.J. 2012-08-10 13:07
Quoting Sensnation:
Any chance we can stop worrying about a lockout that isn't even close to happening yet. August is going to get really long if people keep posting these doom and gloom scenarios that likely will never happen.


Actually not to be a sourpuss but it's more likely to happen than not if history repeats itself. The last two CBA negotiations resulted in lockouts, so if there is one this year that will have been 3 lockouts out of 3 possible lockouts for the last 3 CBA's (this one included).
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0 #43 Sandy 2012-08-10 13:13
Quoting jakester:
Why don't the SENS bust Toronto's bubble and offer for GETZLAF

Michalek-DaCosta-Stone(or someone else)-and 1st rounder

Then you have

Latendresse-Spezza-Turris
Alfie-Getzlaf-Silfverberg
Greening-Regin-Zibby
O'Brien-Smith-Neil

Decent little team I think. Good 1-2 punch then Perry would be tempted next year. If it works for pittsburgh with Crosby and Malkin it can work in Ottawa too.


According to Hockeyy Insiderr (Not saying I believe any of this)- the Leafs have offered for Getzlaf: 2013 1st rd+Grabovski+Ka dri+Frattin. #NHLDucks have 72 hours to accept the deal or @LeafsBB20 withdraws it

Now he also states that Burke felt the demands for Getzlaf were unrealistic.. That the Ducks were trying to compensate for the Beauchemin trade...

Really? A #1 centre like Getzlaf is going to cost the Leafs a lot. Burke can't bully his way to a trade.. even though he tries. It's going to cost more than Kadri & Komisarek...

But why would the Ducks further worsen their team by trading their #1 centre.. Grabovski is only 5'11" and NOT a #1 centre. I just don't get it. It could take them years to draft a replacement for Getzlaf..
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0 #44 FBP 2012-08-10 13:24
Quoting Sandy:

But why would the Ducks further worsen their team by trading their #1 centre.. Grabovski is only 5'11" and NOT a #1 centre. I just don't get it. It could take them years to draft a replacement for Getzlaf..


Maybe they're worried about losing him to UFA for nothing. After watching NJ and NASH get nothing for their stars, maybe they want some assets now.
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0 #45 Sandy 2012-08-10 13:27
Found this on the NHL's facebook page:

Sign the petition for the fans against NHL Lockout

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/save2012-2013nhlseason/

Petition From the Fans to the NHL - 2012-2013 Lockout is Out of the questions

This is petition for From the Fans to the NHL - 2012-2013 Lockout is Out of the questions. Join the movement! Sign now!
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0 #46 FBP 2012-08-10 13:28
That being said, seems crazy to trade Getzlaf, unless they have a strong notion that he won't resign. Their team would be shambles in a couple of years without him.

Selanne and Koivu won't be around for much longer. Souray is their top D.

Ryan wants out.

Yikes.

Maybe Murray would prefer the depth?

Who knows.
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0 #47 SensFanInMTL 2012-08-10 13:34
We gotta hope we can do well in the season and secure a playoff spot. With that said, hopefully Anaheim will shit the bed, and trade Perry to a playoff team, like us? No point in keeping a superstar player on a team that will not make the playoffs and/ or will not resign once the contract is over.

At least we know the Ducks top line will not be shipped off to a stacked team like Pittsburgh. Watch out for Flyers to make similar moves to what Bryan Murray will be/ has been doing.
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0 #48 Sandy 2012-08-10 13:42
IF the Flyers don't do anything else this year.. they will be fighting for a playoff spot.. not almost a guarantee they will make it.

They have many very good forwards.. but that defense looks thin.. and they don't know what they have with Bryzgalov...

If the Ducks do trade Getzlaf... they are re-building... so there may be a fire sale.

IF Toronto gets him.. how do they know he will stay in Toronto past this season? They don't...

These Cdn superstars will play FOR their Country.. but won't play IN their country.

Some contending team will through big money at him... I think he goes to UFA next year regardless as to where he is.. Anaheim, Toronto or whereever...
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0 #49 C.J. 2012-08-10 13:43
Quoting Sandy:


According to Hockeyy Insiderr (Not saying I believe any of this)- the Leafs have offered for Getzlaf: 2013 1st rd+Grabovski+Kadri+Frattin. #NHLDucks have 72 hours to accept the deal or @LeafsBB20 withdraws it


Hey Sandy can you give me a link to where you read this?
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0 #50 Tcharger 2012-08-10 13:50
Quoting C.J.:
Quoting Sandy:


According to Hockeyy Insiderr (Not saying I believe any of this)- the Leafs have offered for Getzlaf: 2013 1st rd+Grabovski+Kadri+Frattin. #NHLDucks have 72 hours to accept the deal or @LeafsBB20 withdraws it


Hey Sandy can you give me a link to where you read this?



He is on twitter
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0 #51 C.J. 2012-08-10 14:00
^ Ahhhh this is why I've never heard of it haha.
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0 #52 Sandy 2012-08-10 14:09
Quoting Tcharger:
Quoting C.J.:
Quoting Sandy:


According to Hockeyy Insiderr (Not saying I believe any of this)- the Leafs have offered for Getzlaf: 2013 1st rd+Grabovski+Kadri+Frattin. #NHLDucks have 72 hours to accept the deal or @LeafsBB20 withdraws it


Hey Sandy can you give me a link to where you read this?



He is on twitter


Isn't he trying to setup a Blog?
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0 #53 Sandy 2012-08-10 14:12
Something we knew was going to happen:

"Ottawa assistant GM Tim Murray said Zibanejad — taken sixth overall at the 2011 draft — will either be with the Senators or their AHL affiliate in Binghamton next season.

“He’s staying no matter what,” Murray said. “Whether its Ottawa or Binghamton, we’re not sending him back. So he’s here.”

Welcome to Binghamton, Zibby..
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0 #54 Tcharger 2012-08-10 14:24
Quoting Sandy:
Something we knew was going to happen:

"Ottawa assistant GM Tim Murray said Zibanejad — taken sixth overall at the 2011 draft — will either be with the Senators or their AHL affiliate in Binghamton next season.

“He’s staying no matter what,” Murray said. “Whether its Ottawa or Binghamton, we’re not sending him back. So he’s here.”

Welcome to Binghamton, Zibby..


I thought that was a given.

Kinda funny how the lockout went from everyone saying bahhh there is lots of time...to omg the sky is falling the season is cancelled so quickly
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+2 #55 D-Money 2012-08-10 14:39
Quoting Dave_Sens:
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Thanks Chirp, have a great weekend! Hopefully the rain stays away for the weekend. It's not looking good though.

I think the only way Getzlaf or Perry become available is if Bob Murray knows that those two intend on testing free agency next summer. Still, there's no need to trade either of those guys for the next few months.

That rumored offer that Burkie sent the Ducks yesterday for Getzlaf, Grabovski+Kadri+Frattin+1st rounder is a doozy of a trade. I think value wise it's pretty fair for a player of Getzlaf's calibre, but I hope Bob Murray remembers that 9 times out of 10, the team that gets the best player in the trade usually ends up getting the better end of the deal.

I hope to god that the Leafs don't get Getzlaf.

What do you guys think is fair value for the Sens to give up for Perry?


Michalek,Zibanejad,Condra and a first round pick would be fair.


Hmmm, a 30 goal scorer, a 19 year old highly-touted prospect, our best penalty killer, and a 1st rd pick for a pending UFA. That's why you're not the GM.
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0 #56 Sensnation 2012-08-10 14:42
Quoting C.J.:
Quoting Sensnation:
Any chance we can stop worrying about a lockout that isn't even close to happening yet. August is going to get really long if people keep posting these doom and gloom scenarios that likely will never happen.


Actually not to be a sourpuss but it's more likely to happen than not if history repeats itself. The last two CBA negotiations resulted in lockouts, so if there is one this year that will have been 3 lockouts out of 3 possible lockouts for the last 3 CBA's (this one included).


My point was that we don't need to spend all of August worrying about something that's over a month away and not even guaranteed. Until we miss regular season games there's nothing to worry about.
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0 #57 C.J. 2012-08-10 15:10
^ Fair enough, I agree with you on that.
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0 #58 C.J. 2012-08-10 15:10
Quoting D-Money:

Hmmm, a 30 goal scorer, a 19 year old highly-touted prospect, our best penalty killer, and a 1st rd pick for a pending UFA. That's why you're not the GM.


Hahaha that's what I'm saying!!!
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0 #59 Sandy 2012-08-10 15:33
Quoting Tcharger:
Quoting Sandy:
Something we knew was going to happen:

"Ottawa assistant GM Tim Murray said Zibanejad — taken sixth overall at the 2011 draft — will either be with the Senators or their AHL affiliate in Binghamton next season.

“He’s staying no matter what,” Murray said. “Whether its Ottawa or Binghamton, we’re not sending him back. So he’s here.”

Welcome to Binghamton, Zibby..


I thought that was a given.

Kinda funny how the lockout went from everyone saying bahhh there is lots of time...to omg the sky is falling the season is cancelled so quickly


Fehr will not give in. He will get what the players want this time. The players gave up a lot last CBA.. they won't do that again. That is why the sky is falling.

I was hopeful when Fehr said the players would be willing to play another season under the current CBA.. but my hopes were dashed with Bettman yesterday.

TWO lockouts in 7 seasons to me is totally unacceptable. And I'm really pissed off that the Owners would do that.. when they are the ones to blame in all of this.
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0 #60 Sandy 2012-08-10 15:38
A quote from Tim Murray in the Ottawa Sun - re: Zibby.

"Murray said there is a shot for Zibanejad in Ottawa next season.

“There’s at least one spot in a Top-6 role and I think any one of the kids could come in and push for that. It’s going to be good competition,” said Murray. “He can play either wing. He did for Sweden. I don’t think it matters at all.

“You can see that he’s a top player. He looked good in spurts. When he gets the puck in the offensive zone and when he shoots the puck, he shoots it like nobody else. He’s got a 10-out-of-10 NHL shot, not (just) a top shot for his own age group. He shoots the puck like a man. That’s his biggest asset.”

Murray said he doesn’t envision much activity before camp.

“You’re never done. You are open to anything. We’re not pursuing anybody greatly right now,” said Murray. “(GM) Bryan (Murray) has talked to all the teams and kicked the tires, but we’re not having meetings and coming up with a game plan to get a specific player by tomorrow, no.”
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0 #61 Sensnation 2012-08-10 16:13
Quoting Sandy:
A quote from Tim Murray in the Ottawa Sun - re: Zibby.

"Murray said there is a shot for Zibanejad in Ottawa next season.

“There’s at least one spot in a Top-6 role and I think any one of the kids could come in and push for that. It’s going to be good competition,” said Murray. “He can play either wing. He did for Sweden. I don’t think it matters at all.

“You can see that he’s a top player. He looked good in spurts. When he gets the puck in the offensive zone and when he shoots the puck, he shoots it like nobody else. He’s got a 10-out-of-10 NHL shot, not (just) a top shot for his own age group. He shoots the puck like a man. That’s his biggest asset.”

Murray said he doesn’t envision much activity before camp.

“You’re never done. You are open to anything. We’re not pursuing anybody greatly right now,” said Murray. “(GM) Bryan (Murray) has talked to all the teams and kicked the tires, but we’re not having meetings and coming up with a game plan to get a specific player by tomorrow, no.”


So we're getting Perry then ;) haha. Nice to hear they still have some coals in the fire though, hopefully the offseason trading isn't over.
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0 #62 Kratos83 2012-08-10 16:15
man Chirp, you got the royal shaft, was over on ottawasenators. com reading the guest article, and it was the gent from senstown...the PR director told him not to stand on the logo, how come they didn't tell you that? sure its common knowledge I am sure, but with being as nervous as you were, things happen lol. am sure I didn't catch you before your camping trip, so will await your answer next week...and for buttman threatening a lockout, can we have him impeached...joe sakic as commish would be pretty sweet.
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0 #63 SensFanInMTL 2012-08-10 18:36
For those inquiring the services for Perry with analysts suggesting that Noesen be shipped the other way (3:00-Onwards):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsh-Arp0_To


My take (0:00-0:05):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knzrzNNAXeU
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+1 #64 jakester 2012-08-10 19:37
Well said - i've been saying it for a while now - IMO Noesen is our best prospect - this guy is going to be a Star. Look at the goals he scores - he's a goal scorer. Another year in junior(where I've said he'll be top 3 in scoring this year-barring an injury of course) and then I think straight to the NHL.
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0 #65 zibanejadkarlsson 2012-08-10 19:45
On nhl.com, there is an article on zibanejad staying in ottawa. In the comment section, somebody wrote that senschirp.ca is always saying that they should trade zibanejad in every trade rumours that comes up.
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+1 #66 simple jack 2012-08-10 19:54
Quoting zibanejadkarlsson:
On nhl.com, there is an article on zibanejad staying in ottawa. In the comment section, somebody wrote that senschirp.ca is always saying that they should trade zibanejad in every trade rumours that comes up.


Its not senschirp who says these things...
Its the knuckleheads who trade away half our team on any top 25 in the league type player is rumoured to be available.

We have some great prospects, the nash offer from the sens somehow became public with several of our top guys, this should not happen, it hurts the player, the team and the fans. It was mentioned on team1200, the citizen, the sun and several blogs including twitter, not sure who leaked it.
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+1 #67 Tcharger 2012-08-10 20:12
The rumored offer, NOBODY is 100% certain that that is what it was....I do agree though that it probably isn't great for the players psyche to be constantly in these trade rumors.
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-1 #68 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2012-08-10 21:40
Just finished watching the Canada Russia game...

I've been following Ceci all year in Ottawa and was hoping he'd get drafted by us so I was quite happy that he actually did.

I've been looking forward to this series to see him play with and against world class juniors and I have to say he clearly isn't as flashy as he is for the 67's but the same goes for every other player on team Canada.

What I noticed is Ceci wasn't getting very much ice time to start the game but as the game went on almost every defenceman was making stupid mistakes (mostly Murphy and Rielly). The obvious thing was that Ceci really never made one. At least one that cost his team. It was clear that his coach also noticed this among other things as he clearly started prefering him over the rest of the D-men and he was getting serious ice time towards the end of the game, and at times even getting double shifted. The only guy that was clearly better than him was Dougie Hamilton (along with Dumba and Murray who didn't play tonight but are also obviously a step above Ceci).

I think this game was a geat showing for our latest 1st round pick. He isn't a lock to make the team yet as the D is clearly stacked on this years junior team. However his coach is clearly noticing him and liking what he sees so things are looking good.

If Ceci could just work on his foot quickness as well as add some physical play he could be a dynamic player some day. You can tell he has loads of natural skill and already makes smart decisions even at the highest level he's played at to date.

I can't wait to see him play in the pre-season and hopefully at least a few games in the regular season
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-1 #69 111519 2012-08-11 08:59
i have said all along, if you want to trde Zibenejad you are an idiot

He will score 30 goals a year consistently
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0 #70 Floridasensfan 2012-08-11 09:32
I think Butler will do well in a new city.
Was just too much as an extra here, obvious we did not like his work ethic if you listen to TM.
change of scenery could fix that being it is his last chance to prove he can play in the NHL.

Sounds like trades are being talked about but no urgency from any side to get a deal done.
Once a deal is done to avoid a lock out I expect things will heat up again.

Game on then.
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0 #71 AlfieforMayor11 2012-08-11 09:39
Quoting C.J.:
Why would anyone be okay with Michalek being part of a package for Perry? Michalek and Perry both had 60 points this season (9MM 35G 25A, Perry 37G 23A), they are both 27, and they are both top six forwards. We need to add a top six forward not subtract one. Although Perry has been more consistent over his career, he is currently on a downward trend and Michalek is on an upward trend.

Sounds like an extremely risky trade if Michalek would be part of the package. The only thing that would make a Michlaek + prospect + 1st rounder for Perry trade make sense would be if Perry returned to his Rocket Richard form immediately after we acquired him, but that may never happen.

Hold on to 9MM while he's hot and in his prime IMO, who's to say he won't improve on last years numbers?


The only problem I have with this post is the fact you said Perry is on a downward trend. He had a bad season last year and he still managed 37 goals. He struggled because the team struggled. He's just one season removed from scoring 50 goals, winning the rocket richard and hart trophy as the league MVP. He's at least twice the player that Michalek is.

Anyway, back to your overall point. I wouldn't trade Michalek in a package including our 2013 1st rounder and Zibanejad for a pending UFA either.
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0 #72 Hoeeeeeeeeee 2012-08-11 11:02
Who wants a free wallpaper I made?

http://i.minus.com/i8yD2orBD5BuM.jpg
http://i.minus.com/iyB92gDZN69Aq.jpg
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0 #73 Spezzafan19 2012-08-11 11:43
That is too much for a unrestricted free agent next summer.

Bob Murray will probally get somthing simlar to what Atlanta got for Hossa and for Kolvachuk.

If Bob Murray decides to trade both Getzlaf and Perry at the deadling then he could easily get who wack load of assets for those two in two seprate deals.


Also I don't want Bryan Murray to trade Colin Greening!
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+1 #74 Sandy 2012-08-11 14:36
Quoting Spezzafan19:
That is too much for a unrestricted free agent next summer.

Bob Murray will probally get somthing simlar to what Atlanta got for Hossa and for Kolvachuk.

If Bob Murray decides to trade both Getzlaf and Perry at the deadling then he could easily get who wack load of assets for those two in two seprate deals.


Also I don't want Bryan Murray to trade Colin Greening!


Neither would Paul McLean..
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-9 #75 roger 2012-08-11 15:07
would any of you make this trade if it was offered to you

Spezza & Karlsson & 1st round

Getzlaf & Perry & Ryan
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0 #76 conor_smythe 2012-08-11 15:33
Quoting roger:
would any of you make this trade if it was offered to you

Spezza & Karlsson & 1st round

Getzlaf & Perry & Ryan


No.


Karlsson is a once in a decade defenseman. I would trade him maybe for Ryan, Perry and a first. Nothing less.

the fact that you have spezza going the other way in that deal Plus a 1st is astounding.

I would value spezza to be worth Perry, a prospect and a first
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+1 #77 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-08-11 15:45
Quoting roger:
would any of you make this trade if it was offered to you

Spezza & Karlsson & 1st round

Getzlaf & Perry & Ryan


@ roger,

Spezza has been a Sen since day 1, has still 2-3 years left on $7 million /year contract. Got more points than all the 3 guys from Anaheim. Karlsson is a super star defenceman,will win Norris many times in his career,
and will be the face of this franchise going forward.
Spezza has 84 points, and Karlsson has 78 points.

Perry , Getzlaf and Ryan are great hockey players, and will probably remain with the Ducks for a few more years .Teemu
Selanne is at 42,their top scorer with 66 points. Perry and Getzlaf have each 60 points.

So, no I would not make the above trade now or later !!
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+2 #78 conservativeHippie 2012-08-11 18:00
Quoting roger:
would any of you make this trade if it was offered to you

Spezza & Karlsson & 1st round

Getzlaf & Perry & Ryan


Holy crap...I've seen fans undervalue our players before, but this is insane! I would have a hard time accepting Crosby for King Karlesson (due to concussions)... yet alone including spezza! And a 1st!!! I wouldn't even do that for stamkos and St Louis.
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+3 #79 Tcharger 2012-08-11 18:23
Quoting roger:
would any of you make this trade if it was offered to you

Spezza & Karlsson & 1st round

Getzlaf & Perry & Ryan


Absolutely not
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-1 #80 GDS86 2012-08-11 19:13
Quoting roger:
would any of you make this trade if it was offered to you

Spezza & Karlsson & 1st round

Getzlaf & Perry & Ryan



i would trade spezza for perry and ryan

and thats only if i had a gun to my head
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-1 #81 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-08-12 11:04
I think at the start of the season, as Murray has indicated Methot will start with Karl, but eventually I think Cowen will move up to the first pairing and we'll see a Cowen-Karlsson one.

The two young guns will carry the blueline this season, I see a coming out of the shell for the big kid! Methot is a steady defenceman, and is a good insurance policy for Karl, but I think Cowen will also be that. Plus, the Cowen-Gonchar pairing was easily the worst last season, and changing it up with Methot will hopefully be better.

But I'm really hoping BM can trade Gonchar according to the speculation. Like I've said before, he is the worst player on the team and is just bad.
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0 #82 Tcharger 2012-08-12 12:03
Hockeyy Insiderr ‏@HockeyyInsiderr
BREAKING NEWS: Received confirmation the #SENS are in on Bobby Ryan BIG TIME. With #Flyers and #Sabres talks cooling off epext OTT (cont)
(cont) to make a SUBSTANTIAL offer for #NHLDucks star Bobby Ryan next week. For now, preliminary talks only. #SENS #WOW


Hope something materializes here! Although I would really love to see an extension signed as well...the 3 year deal is somewhat scary when giving up a lot of youth.


Chirp saw you just got back....time to do some digging haha
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0 #83 111519 2012-08-12 12:16
If we give up Zibby for ryan we will regret it for the next 10 years

All you twits that want Ryan only really want a story and are not looking at the big picture here

Giving up Zibby and anyone else including next years first will be disasterous long term

Stop being so short sighted people.
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0 #84 Mr Hockey 2012-08-12 12:21
Quoting 111519:
If we give up Zibby for ryan we will regret it for the next 10 years

All you twits that want Ryan only really want a story and are not looking at the big picture here

Giving up Zibby and anyone else including next years first will be disasterous long term

Stop being so short sighted people.


You sound pretty arrogant giving that you have nothing to base this on. It's just your opinion verus the opinion of people you disagree with. I love Zibanejad too but Bobby Ryan's a proven NHL player, while Zibanejad is just a prospect. Would it be disaterous if Ryan plays 10 years for us?
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+1 #85 Sandy 2012-08-12 12:26
Quoting 111519:
If we give up Zibby for ryan we will regret it for the next 10 years

All you twits that want Ryan only really want a story and are not looking at the big picture here

Giving up Zibby and anyone else including next years first will be disasterous long term

Stop being so short sighted people.


Any team, not Philly, will lose him to a UFA in 3 yrs. He wants to play in Philly. So losing Zibanejad, and/or Lehner would be a big blow to this franchise -- I don't care how good Ryan is...
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+2 #86 Tcharger 2012-08-12 12:30
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting 111519:
If we give up Zibby for ryan we will regret it for the next 10 years

All you twits that want Ryan only really want a story and are not looking at the big picture here

Giving up Zibby and anyone else including next years first will be disasterous long term

Stop being so short sighted people.


Any team, not Philly, will lose him to a UFA in 3 yrs. He wants to play in Philly. So losing Zibanejad, and/or Lehner would be a big blow to this franchise -- I don't care how good Ryan is...



Im not sure where you get that he is so adament to play in Philly....Wasn' t it only said in passing once that he would like to play there?
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+1 #87 Hoeeeee 2012-08-12 12:48
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting 111519:
If we give up Zibby for ryan we will regret it for the next 10 years

All you twits that want Ryan only really want a story and are not looking at the big picture here

Giving up Zibby and anyone else including next years first will be disasterous long term

Stop being so short sighted people.


Any team, not Philly, will lose him to a UFA in 3 yrs. He wants to play in Philly. So losing Zibanejad, and/or Lehner would be a big blow to this franchise -- I don't care how good Ryan is...

Lol just because his father has connections with Philly doesnt mean Ryan only wants to play for Philly and Philly only. Players go where the money is and the team they think suits him best. And I wouldnt be surprised if any team thats talking to the ducks right now are asking for permission to talk to Ryan first whether he'll be interested in signing an extention and playing for their team first before they make a real offer.
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0 #88 Sandy 2012-08-12 13:03
I get it that getting Bobby Ryan (if they don't have to give up Michalek) would make a great first line with Spezza.

Line 2 with Silfverberg-Turris-Alfie.

Really good 1-2 punch. If they can do it without including Lehner.. then I guess I'm okay with it...

If he does go UFA in 3 yrs... then I guess you can trade him but you would never get back what you paid...
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0 #89 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-08-12 13:39
Quoting Sandy:
I get it that getting Bobby Ryan (if they don't have to give up Michalek) would make a great first line with Spezza.

Line 2 with Silfverberg-Turris-Alfie.

Really good 1-2 punch. If they can do it without including Lehner.. then I guess I'm okay with it...

If he does go UFA in 3 yrs... then I guess you can trade him but you would never get back what you paid...


Agree with you Sandy, on not trading Michalek and Lehner
or either one of the 2, in a deal for Ryan.

Might have to include Zibanejad, and other roster players,
and or picks.

Sens should have option of offering an extension to Ryan,
who would then either re-sign, or get traded !

Hope Tcharger is right about his sources !!
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0 #90 Tcharger 2012-08-12 13:55
You have to think...if we were willing to trade for Nash there has to be other scenarios where we would make a similar move.
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0 #91 Hax 2012-08-12 14:00
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you could only talk extension with a player once he's officially in the last year of his current contract.

That could change with the new CBA I guess, but I don't see any way to get Ryan with any sort of guarantee he doesn't go UFA at the end of his current deal. We can feel confident and have some sort of verbal commitment that he wants to be here longer, but there can't be guarantees which makes nearly any trade somewhat of a risk.

Not saying it's not worth it, but I have to think other teams will feel comfortable offering more.
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+3 #92 Sandy 2012-08-12 14:58
Ya gotta love this kid... Couple of tweets:

Robin Lehner ‏@RobinLehner
My BMW drives on gas, the Audi on diesel and My fuel is haters! Thanks for pushing me forward!:)

Robin Lehner ‏@RobinLehner
My tweet is not about bragging it's about people that thinks its a diss to say that I'm an ahl player!!Haha doing what I love!!
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0 #93 AlfieforMayor11 2012-08-12 15:18
I don't understand this bs about losing Ryan after 3 years because he wants to play for Philly. He only ever said it would be fun to play for Philly, the team that was his favorite growing up.

Say we do acquire Bobby Ryan, there's a very good chance that he loves it here. The Senators organization has a great reputation for treating players very well. You can bet that Ryan would feel very appreciated playing here and that's all the guy wants.

Worst case scenario, he isn't interested in signing a contract extension two years from now and we trade him with a year left on his contract. I think he's definitely worth the gamble, if it even is a gamble.

I would hate to see Lehner included in any deal, but let's not worry about that yet. There's no reason to believe as of yet, that Anaheim is searching for another goaltender. I'm not sure what they have in the system after Hiller, but they seem pretty committed to him.

At the end of the day, I don't think we have what it takes to get Bobby Ryan. Anaheim will want guys that can play now and that can make an impact right away. They need to show Perry and Getzlaf that they're serious about contending if they want to resign both of those guys. All we have to offer for Ryan is prospects and picks and I don't think that's what they're looking for.
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0 #94 Tcharger 2012-08-12 15:51
@Alfie for mayor

It was rumored that they didn't want salary coming back..although they also said they wanted another stud C...so who knows
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0 #95 Sandy 2012-08-12 18:35
Quoting Tcharger:
@Alfie for mayor

It was rumored that they didn't want salary coming back..although they also said they wanted another stud C...so who knows


That's what I heard two.. prospects/picks .. no salary.. but things could have changed.
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+3 #96 jakester 2012-08-12 19:45
It kills me - when I hear I don't think we have what it takes to make a deal. THE SENS are probably one of the teams that can fling 4 pieces out there and not really hurt their depth. Here is just an example of a trade offer - tell me if the SENS would be really affected by offering this.

1.GREENING(centerman)+2.DaCosta(centerman)+3.Stone + 4.Wiorcioch or Bishop(a D-man or a goalie)

Lets see we'd still have Zibby-Silfverbe rg-Noesen-Puemp el-Lehner - not too shabby.

And if the 4th element has to be our first pick so be it!

Michalek-Spezza-Ryan
Alfie-Turris-Silfverberg
Latendresse-Regin-Zibby
Condra-Smith-Neil

O'Brien and Daug

Man o Man that matches up with any team in the NHL IMO. Look at the skill on the 3rd line!

DO IT! and NO REGRETS!
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+1 #97 Sandy 2012-08-12 20:23
Quoting jakester:
It kills me - when I hear I don't think we have what it takes to make a deal. THE SENS are probably one of the teams that can fling 4 pieces out there and not really hurt their depth. Here is just an example of a trade offer - tell me if the SENS would be really affected by offering this.

1.GREENING(centerman)+2.DaCosta(centerman)+3.Stone + 4.Wiorcioch or Bishop(a D-man or a goalie)

Lets see we'd still have Zibby-Silfverberg-Noesen-Puempel-Lehner - not too shabby.

And if the 4th element has to be our first pick so be it!

Michalek-Spezza-Ryan
Alfie-Turris-Silfverberg
Latendresse-Regin-Zibby
Condra-Smith-Neil

O'Brien and Daug

Man o Man that matches up with any team in the NHL IMO. Look at the skill on the 3rd line!

DO IT! and NO REGRETS!


I don't believe Greening is a centreman, is he? I thought he was a winger. I don't think they include Greening in any trade. I realize Ryan is much better.. but I think Greening is 'McLean's player'.
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+1 #98 DenisVial 2012-08-12 20:47
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting jakester:
It kills me - when I hear I don't think we have what it takes to make a deal. THE SENS are probably one of the teams that can fling 4 pieces out there and not really hurt their depth. Here is just an example of a trade offer - tell me if the SENS would be really affected by offering this.

1.GREENING(centerman)+2.DaCosta(centerman)+3.Stone + 4.Wiorcioch or Bishop(a D-man or a goalie)

Lets see we'd still have Zibby-Silfverberg-Noesen-Puempel-Lehner - not too shabby.

And if the 4th element has to be our first pick so be it!

Michalek-Spezza-Ryan
Alfie-Turris-Silfverberg
Latendresse-Regin-Zibby
Condra-Smith-Neil

O'Brien and Daug

Man o Man that matches up with any team in the NHL IMO. Look at the skill on the 3rd line!

DO IT! and NO REGRETS!


I don't believe Greening is a centreman, is he? I thought he was a winger. I don't think they include Greening in any trade. I realize Ryan is much better.. but I think Greening is 'McLean's player'.


Greening played Center at Cornell. And I agree, very few teams can offer to re-stock the cupboards in Anaheim and still leave themselves in a good situation. I say make it happen Bryan.
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+2 #99 MoeDozer 2012-08-12 21:24
so you believe that the ducks are willing to give away their 35goal 70+point 25year old power forward for

greening-3rd liner
da costa- likely AHLer for life if he doesnt put serious amount of size soon
stone- a possible top 6 player that still lacks speed.
wiercioch - a bottom pair dman or AHLer unless he puts on size
bishop - a great back up goalie that can be a starter but no one knows if he can be more than just that.


i know that was a tookie level post but im just being as realistic as possible, even with a 1st rounder in there, ducks will just laugh at that offer. put yourself in the ducks shoes and see if that offer is appealing at all.

you have to give up a lot to get something you really want back, just how it works unfortunately.
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0 #100 FatJesus 2012-08-12 21:53
Quoting MoeDozer:
so you believe that the ducks are willing to give away their 35goal 70+point 25year old power forward for

greening-3rd liner
da costa- likely AHLer for life if he doesnt put serious amount of size soon
stone- a possible top 6 player that still lacks speed.
wiercioch - a bottom pair dman or AHLer unless he puts on size
bishop - a great back up goalie that can be a starter but no one knows if he can be more than just that.


i know that was a tookie level post but im just being as realistic as possible, even with a 1st rounder in there, ducks will just laugh at that offer. put yourself in the ducks shoes and see if that offer is appealing at all.

you have to give up a lot to get something you really want back, just how it works unfortunately.


if you give a way a player who doesnt want to play for your team and manage to get 6 players back in return (including the 1st) and you know that 4 of the players are defiantly gonna be solid nhl players. stones top 6, a future number 1 goalie, greening can play top 6(last year was his rookie year lol) , a 1st round in a stacked draft..you take that deal every fuckin time. i wouldnt trade for bobby tho..i wanna see the young guns progress as a team
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0 #101 MoeDozer 2012-08-12 23:36
Quoting FatJesus:


i too dont want to do the trade, just rather stick with what we have, however ducks do not need quantity because:

in net they have hiller and they just signed the SEL goalie MVP (30year old viktor fasth).
they drafted john gibson in the 2nd round, a fantastic 19year old goaltender that should represent team USA in WJC.
21 year old goaltender bobkov whos in their AHL team also reprsented russia in the WJC.
Fredrick Andersen, lead SEL in gaa and % and was SEL rookie of the year. 22 year old goaltender.

they are one of the most stacked if not the most stacked teams in net.

forwards they have a boat load of future top 6 players such as smith-pelly, emersen etem, palmieri, rikard rakell, william karlsson, max friberg, kerdiles.

and on D with fowler as their number 1, they have a few decent prospects especailly hampus lindholm.


my point is, they do not need quantity, why would they add 6 more players to an already jammed roster.
they want quality, and the rumored offer posted above does not say quality to me.
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0 #102 St Nick 2012-08-12 23:43
There is no reason to give up so many prospects for Ryan, an American kid who will leave to go back to the States the first chance he gets. Zibanejad or Silfverberg or Stone could turn out to be just as good. Instead Murray can afford to wait & see what players become available during next season or next summer that won't cost so much but will add to our skill & depth. There is no reason to trade away our best prospects but instead we should wait until a trade comes along where they will take much less or get a UFA or a one for one deal like he made for Turris.
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0 #103 Merchaholic 2012-08-13 04:06
Guess I'll be watching my Sens season through NHL 13 simulation. Sucks to see Alfie announce he's coming back for his final year at $1 Million then have Bettman talking about locking the league out for the year. Maybe he should of designed his contract the way he wanted it the first time like Lundqvist said. This guy's a joke.
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0 #104 Tcharger 2012-08-13 07:58
Anyone in here interested in a football pool??

I am normally more into the Hockey ones, but am prepping for them not happening.

I would be willing to start one if there are a few people interested...id eally 12 or so.
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0 #105 Hoeeeee 2012-08-13 08:34
The ducks needs are depth and secondary scoring. After that 1st line there isnt much there. They are a one line team. They are looking for a #2 center and some wingers.

Maybe something centered around

Zibby
Greening
1st rounder

But I wouldnt do it,, giving way too much.
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0 #106 DenisVial 2012-08-13 08:34
Quoting MoeDozer:
Quoting FatJesus:


i too dont want to do the trade, just rather stick with what we have, however ducks do not need quantity because:

in net they have hiller and they just signed the SEL goalie MVP (30year old viktor fasth).
they drafted john gibson in the 2nd round, a fantastic 19year old goaltender that should represent team USA in WJC.
21 year old goaltender bobkov whos in their AHL team also reprsented russia in the WJC.
Fredrick Andersen, lead SEL in gaa and % and was SEL rookie of the year. 22 year old goaltender.

they are one of the most stacked if not the most stacked teams in net.

forwards they have a boat load of future top 6 players such as smith-pelly, emersen etem, palmieri, rikard rakell, william karlsson, max friberg, kerdiles.

and on D with fowler as their number 1, they have a few decent prospects especailly hampus lindholm.


my point is, they do not need quantity, why would they add 6 more players to an already jammed roster.
they want quality, and the rumored offer posted above does not say quality to me.


I disagree. By July 1 2013, they may lose Ryan, Perry, Getzlaf, Koivu and Selanne. They have room for 5 contracts under th 50 limit, and they may be entering a rebuild next summer if 5 of their top six players don't return. And none of their prospects has the upside of Zbad or Silfverberg. I do agree that they probably don't want a goalie coming back in any trade though.
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-1 #107 Dirk Diggler 2012-08-13 09:10
I'm comfourtable with the offense going into this season. Hopefully our players can all build on their great season last year. Look for Turris to really improve and hopefully Silfverberg lives up to his hype. Latandress and Regin will both be hungry to prove they still belong in the NHL and will make the 3rd line skilled.

What the Sens need though is still a solid D man. I really want JBo to be on the left side of Karlsson. It would be a crazy minute eating D pairing and insulates Cowen another year before he is on the side of Karlsson and then JBo and CeCi on the 2nd pairing... imagine!
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+3 #108 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-08-13 09:18
Apparently Andreas Lilja of the Flyers is also hurt and will be out until december. Flyers depleted big time on D, hopefully Murray can use this time to trade Gonchar for what he can!
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-1 #109 spezzerman 2012-08-13 09:34
I wouldn't include any of Zib, Silfverberg, either of our young goalies or our 1st next year to get a 35 goal scorer in Ryan. With what is left I doubt we can make a good enough offer to get it done. Oh well, not a big deal at all.
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0 #110 TookieIs100PercentRight 2012-08-13 16:09
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Apparently Andreas Lilja of the Flyers is also hurt and will be out until december. Flyers depleted big time on D, hopefully Murray can use this time to trade Gonchar for what he can!


Gonchar, Turris and Zib for Giroux and Couturier.
Git 'r dun B-Murr!
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