The Ottawa Senators have crossed another item from their off season to do list this afternoon, inking defenceman Eric Gryba to a two year, two way contract.
Gryba, who is coming off his second season of pro hockey, played 73 games with the Binghamton Senators last season, racking up 20 points and 95 penalty minutes. Gryba projects to be a reliable, defensive defenceman and is one of the players expected to push for a spot in camp next season.
With the signing of O'Brien and Gryba signed to a contract for next season, it leaves Stephan Da Costa and Kaspars Daugavins as the only remaining RFAs. Daugavins is headed for arbitration later this month.
During the chalk talk session I attended at Development Camp, BSens Assistant Steve Stirling spoke very highly of Gryba and mentioned his name with a group of players that is close to being ready to make the jump to the pro level.
With that said, the spots on the back end are fairly limited and right now anyway, it looks like Mark Borowiecki is the guy closest to cracking the Sens roster.
Sens busy today. 2 year deal for Jim O'Brien. 2 year, 2 way contract for Eric Gryba. #Sens
2-way deal, cool.
http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=638191
Not according to AJ Jakubec.
EDIT: Oops - my bad.
Nothing surprising here, JOB deserves his 1 way and Gryba is AHL bound.
The two-year contract for #Sens forward Jim O'Brien will have an AAV of $637,500.
Interesting as this would be LESS than his previous cap hit - unless there are bonuses they haven't mentioned yet.
Cap floor phobics rejoice!
and as ian mendes just tweeted: It's hard to think of a player who has improved his stock more within the Sens organization since 2010 than Jim O'Brien.
Good bottom six player who you know will bring it every night. Mac seemed to have liked him too the way he played him last season.
Our bottom six is rounding out real nicely we have a ton of depth and guys that can do different things. Good to see. JOB >>> than Winchester if you ask me.
Dead on moe. And I don't know how many ppl agree with me, but he can easily Step into line 3 C if needed
Stefan G:son @steffeG
O'Brien could've gotten more if he accepted his qualifying offer, but choose security of one-way and two-year term. Smart decision. #Sens
Yeah he could have taken the qualifying offer but that was a 2-way deal (and one year). Now he gets a one-way deal for two years.
You aren't often wrong!
I like the signing
Forwards
Spezza
Michalek
Turris
Butler
Latendresse
Condra
Smith
Greening
JOB
Regin
Neil
Vacant (Alfie)
13th spot Daugavins, Silfverberg (2 way).
Lots of bottom 6 and fringe 2nd liners, here's hoping we overachieve again or we could be in deep doodoo!
And after camp Butler might get bought out or waived to make room for Silfverberg?
(Assuming there are no Q4Q trades)
Then there's lee instead of kopitar. Jesus!
Also his ELC was based on a 1st round pick ELC which comes with a much higher cap hit. People forget Job was a 1st rounder back in the day
So like others said he took 1 way deal over 2 way, which is the biggest reason of course, but also he is now being paid as a 4th line 3rd/4th round guy rather than a 4th line 1st rounder
I may be wrong but I'm prety sure that was Murray's pick (with Muckler's staff)
id hope for the same thing, i think our forwards roster depends on 2 major things first:
if alfie returns
regin and latendresse stay healthy long enough to make any chemistry in top 6.
i am not against having all silfver zib stone start the year in bingo since we know injuries will happen how ever this happening takes away an AHL spot for guys like pageau prince etc.
That would be ideal, I didnt put Silf as he has a 2 way deal. But I assume he will be on the Sens main squad come game 1. Just need to make room like you say.
WTF is up with the thumbs down on my question? I didn't say I was upset with it, I'm actually happy he got it. That's the main reason I'd like to see that feature removed.
Chirp, any reason why my login will not stay connected now, has anyone reported this? It's only happened since i changed my name, now I need to login over and over, even if I check the box to remember me. I'm using the same IE 8 I've always used (laugh now, I know you firefox users will).
Don't even bother looking at the thumbs up/down as your self-worth should not be measured by internet surfers
Michalek Spezza Latendresse
Silfverberg Turris Alfie
Greening Smith Neil
Butler O'Brien Condra
Regin (dont know where to put this fool.)
Anyone else not liking it? I mean, we have to have great years from key players just to stay afloat, you cant look at that and seriously be enthusiastic. Hard workers for sure but without any top 3 talent (Spezza excluded), we are mediocre at best.
Dont hate!
Fair enough.
Not that the bottom six matters much, but I'd rearrange as follows:
Regin Smith Neil
Greening O'Brien Condra
Daugavins and Butler as extras.
dont think anyone actaully hates him, its more of a frustation/conf usion thing. we all know he can perform very well but his injuries just make it seem that he is just a waste of time and space for us to take a chance sometimes.
hes the most unpredictable player on that roster really.
2-way or 1-way?
LOL
Ahl only lmao
I just dont see Regin in a checking line role, Greening with Smith & Neil would be one hell of a banging line!
Regin doesnt fit anywhere on this roster, he's a natural centre and would have to adapt on the wing. He's probably gonna get hurt anyways, guy is made of glass, maybe he hangs out with Leclaire??
The line I really wanna see is Silfverberg Turris Alfie, so here's hoping Alfie returns, that 2nd line could spell our first line pretty well if all things pan out (Silf & Turris at about 40-50pts and Alfie at 60?) That would be overachieving?
With Daugavins playing 65 games accumulating 11 points and O’Brien playing 28 collecting 6 points how could the sens argue O’Brien is more worthy then Daugavins on a one way contract?
Considering there very similar player and Daugavins played more than 30 games. Arbitration is all lot comparing similar players and their contracts, Daugavins argument just got a whole lot stronger
Unless its a sign and trade coming up...
Which I can not see happening.
I like your second line...but want Michalek off the top line.
So by "walk away" you mean trade him after they have to sign him right? They only way they can actually walk away is if he's awarded about $1.5M which he won't get.
I'd like Michalek and Latendresse off the top line and replaced by actual first liners - but it ain't going to happen.
I think a sign and trade is going to happen soon...
Trade Regin, Petersson, Greening for a legitimate top line RW.
Then trade Butler and some prospects for a legitimate top line LW.
LW - Spezza - RW
Michalek - Turris - Alfie
Latendresse - Smith - Neil
Daugavins - O'Brien - Condra
It is actually 1.3(ish) million per year. If he is awarded that, they can walk.
Trade Regin, Petersson, Greening and Butler for a legit top line RW.
Michalek - Spezza - RW
Silfverberg - Turris - Alfie
Latendresse - Smith - Neil
Daugavins - O'Brien - Condra
Yeah we dont have much in terms of top 3...Silf could play there technically but I doubt he has as much success as opposed to playing on the 2nd line.
Michalek got 35 goals, he's staying on that top line...no question. Just need somebody better than Tenderness...
Lee was drafted in the 2005 NHL Entry draft by Muckler. Muckler was fired in 2007.
Dont mind me while I update your lines...
Michalek - Spezza - Ryan
Silfverberg - Turris - Alfie
Latendresse - Smith - Neil
Daugavins - O'Brien - Condra
Hehehe...
I had read $1.46M actually - but whatever the amount it's unlikely he'll get awarded that much.
So given that Ottawa (one would assume) knows this, they likely qualified him with the complete awareness and understanding that they plan to either trade him or trade others to make room on the NHL roster for him. Otherwise they'd have been pretty dumb to qualify him in the first place.
No problem. Seeing it in writing I'd be happy with:
Zibanejad, Regin, Petersson, Greening and Butler for Ryan.
The Ducks get two guys that are 100% NHL ready (Regin and Greening), one bonafide top prospect (MZ) and five players in total. Lots of ways to convince their surferdude fan base that they won the trade.
Y ai was referring to jim O'Brien who was drafted in 2007 a week after Muckler got fired
We basically have the same lineup as last year, minus Folingo in our top 6, add Latendresse and even Silf now and again. A little mix up in our bottom 6 moving Greening around as well. Considering how we did, I didn't mind watching that Sens team at all. Can't see it being too different energy wise.
I have Chrome too, just started using it again. No problems, lol
Not sure how they make room for all these guys. I would assume Butler is a goner, either waived or traded. Daugavins will be moved I think.
Silfverberg is likely to make the team, although I think MZ and Stone will start in the AHL and make there debut when an injury occurs.
I wouldn't be surprised if Condra is moved as well...
Im still curious to see how Ottawa gets to the floor next season...
Either OBrien or Smith can play on the wing on the 4th. Regin is for sure our 3rd best centre. Unlessmsomethin g crazy happens he will have that spot. There a reason he got re-signed while barely playing the past 2 years. Everyone here thinks they're a genius and was so convinced he was gone because he had injuries. It's not his fault people.
I think it's a very smart move to bring guys like Regin and Latendresse in, especially on 1 year deals. They will probably be the most motivated players on our team. They both have so much skill that they could even play on the 1st line if need be. I honestly see GL having a huge season especially if he plays along side Spezza or Turris who we all agree should have a breakout season. He is a perfect complimenatry player for those two. All year it was painful watching Greening on the 1st because of his lack of skill and finishing ability. This is exactly what GL brings to the table. I think for under 2mill it was a bad ass signing
As for Butler...people are penciling him in on the 4th(aka the tool Tookie). There's a reason PM didn't play him during the playoffs. He has one and only one talent just like Filatov. He's a pure goal scorer. If he struggles at that he wont play. There is no way he plays on the 4th unless there is just no other option. As we all know that won't be the case as we clearly have an insane amount of depth on the bottom 6.
I think Silvferberg will take a few weeks to get the hang of the NHL pace but I believe with his amazing hands and release he is tailor-made for the NHL and even more so tailor-made to be Spezza's line mate. I expect him to contend for rookie of the year.
Basically we will see:
Spezza+Michalek
Turris+Alfie
then you can pool the following players together:
Silfverberg, Latendresse, Greening, Butler, Regin as players who could see time on any of those lines interchangeably depending on the need
Ideally I'd like to see:
Michalek-Spezza-Latendresse
Silfverberg-Turris-Alfie
Greening-Regin-Neil
O'Brien-Smith-Condra (smith and O'brien swap depending on side of faceoff)
Regin is a tremendous 2 way player with offensive potential, and is better suited for a 3rd line role than smith IMO. Smith will still see lots of ice as 4LC and PK
my goodness i just downloaded chrome on my S2... wow i can only dream of what its like on the S3
talent with an edge.
Would almost kill for a s3
and one knee! excellent
Mind you I would love to have Morrow on our team, but only if he was UFA, his asking price will be too rich for the health risk he brings. He has so many KM on his body already
Love the guy tho and he would definately fit on our roster
Unreadable.
He's old and not needed. Unless Alfie retires. Then he's very needed as we will desperately need some leadership.
That's partly why I wanted Nash. He could notmonly silidify our top line bug could provide some much needed leadership. We really don't have much of that after Alfie, Gonchar, and Ohillips leave in the very near future.
Sorry I had to take out the spaces between the paragraphs as my comment was too long
Michalek-Spezza-Zibanejad
Silfverberg-Turris-Alfredsson
Greening/Latendresse-Smith-Neil
Greening/Latendresse-O'brien-Condra
Extras: Butler and Regin
Something tells me thye may be inline for a 9 game tryout at least of them, especially if stone/MZ don't show up big
But yeah a space here and there and I would have read it....no idea what points you brought up unfortunately
I like it, but I personally remember Regin as an excellent Pk guy also and would prefer him over condra in the lineup
Regin was "special" because he had a wicked wrister, but was exceptionally well in both ends. Thats why we had him as Spezza's winger in the playoffs, because of his ability to backcheck
Possible but I'd put it as a total long shot. Not just in general terms of them being ready but especially when you factor in how tight our roster is.
You'll have as much space as you need when you start your own blog. I thought that was your plan after trashing Chirps work. And you won't have to worry about anyone giving you a thumbs down because none of us will bother to read it!
even as a guy who likes stats...zzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzz
Well my OCD aside, I didn't nitpick your mistakes. I could have gone through with my red pen if you wanted but since it was unreadable in the first place I decided to just save myself the headache. Thought you might want to know that the post was unreadable so that, in future, if you have something to share you can do it in a way that people might actually read and give you some feedback.
And I let Chirp know he had a typo as he'd probably want to fix it (which he did, then I removed my comment since it was no longer needed).
Thanks for playing.
One of the perks of being independently wealthy. Lots of free time and a kick-ass tablet with wifi.
Hahahaha good one
I wonder what you consider to be independently wealthy. As people who actually are wealthy don't have time on their hands. Especially not to be blogging all day. Too funny!
Unless you deal drugs of course. In that case I wish you all the luck in the world
Well, good point. I actually don't have time for some lame, flame-war with a faceless idiot on the internet.
So ....
And if you actually are rich then go out and do something instead of chilling on your tablet. I mean you're just pathetic with this whole thing.
Give it a rest, would ya?
If there is one thing I won't stand for, it's criticizing people that spend "too much" time on this website :)
I think people see smith as he WAS and not as what he is developing into. we see him as a "neil-ish" player. more like a penalty minute kid than a skilled forward.
but i really see this kid being a great 3rd line contributor on the scoreboard. paired with condra's decent play making skills i see a great 3rd line. if he can keep the abrasive style but limit the bad penalty minutes i see him being like a mike fisher. not sure he has the ceiling of mike fisher but that same type of player.
instead of condra maybe regin could provide the playmaking? but regin is written off in my books. until he proves otherwise he is a nonfactor for me. love his skill, but skill is meaningless if you dont have shoulders.
The guy knows his stuff but I found that to be a little too much. Although to be fair, I couldn't make it past the fourth paragraph.
I'm probably guilty of that too actually. In a perfect world I've got Regin or Zibanejad as 3C and Smith as 4C but he's definitely more than an "energy" guy now.
Well before Tookie jumps in to say anyone can play PK ... I'll suggest that Regin is the first choice to take on more PK minutes if Condra gets traded. But I highly doubt Condra's a guy they'd want to move. If a team asks for him specifically he may go, but I don't think he's a guy they might look to "offload" to clear up a roster space.
Zibanejad is expected to play plenty of PK as well.
Its like being upset Suzy the best player on the special Olympics hockey team is awarded the MVP of the Olympics... good for Suzy but still doesn't mean I want her on my team
(trimmed the politically incorrect part)
That's a fair point in general but I do think Condra was one of the few guys MacLean really trusted out there. O'Brien later in the year as well.
But definitely it's not like we'd be breaking up a winning PK or anything.
Actually I hear there's alot of openings in the coccaine running business, contact Los Zetas for more info.
Might want to bring your extra head...
Yeah it was.. I believe they were let go after the draft. When Murray asked them about a certain player in the WHL -- all two of them (Muckler's scouts) said they didn't know as they hadn't seen him play. Can you imagine that? No wonder Muckler sucked at drafting..
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Agree Chirp.. a lot of his articles are pretty good.. but when he gets into the stats.. that's just too much for my old brain.
Noeson and/or Puemple would have to make the NHL or go back to Junior. If there isn't room for Silfverberg and/or Zibanejad.. there won't be room for the other 2 for sure.
I still think there are too many forwards. I don't know if Murray can make a trade Q4Q -- but it would solve a lot.
I don't think they trade Greening. I believe he is one of McLean's favorites. He can put him anywhere in the lineup at forward and he does not hurt the team...
dispersal draft
I like Greening too. But there aren't enough guys I don't like to clear up enough room. Butler's the only guy I pretty much always include in a going away package. Regin isn't too hard to include since there's no recent memories of his solid play.
Really it's almost a case of Murray having a list of guys that he goes to a team and says "pick three guys off this list and tell me what one guy you'd trade back for them".
Greening, Regin, Daugavins, O'Brien, Condra, Butler (and then prospects beyond that I guess).
I asked for that! Lol
Or toss in another from that list (Daugavins I guess) to get an NHL forward that's worth those three put together?
O E-L? (I'm sorry... Long day at the cracker factory)
Oliver Ekman-Larsson would be great - but would cost more than that I'm sure.
I do. I hate him. Hes done fuck all since being a senator. He had a couple goals in a playoff series once. Other than that? ? I dont know why hes even getting a chance to play. Or why some of you are smack talking latendresse but putting Regin in your fantasy lineups. He wont cut it as a centre. Or any other position
I dont know what BM was thinking resigning regin.. why not sign leclaire as our backup?
its tough to think of the value of those players together. I think regin and butler (might need to add an average prospect) would get us a team's 2nd best Dprospect some examples i can think of are minnespta's tyler cuma, wing's ouellet or a relatively young number 5/6 Dman.
last couple of years, nhl trades have seriously changed. 1st rounders and prospects arent highly valued as much as they used to be (look at gaustad for a 1st, gill for 2 prospects and a 2nd rounder)
regin and butler both are at an all time low value right now too.
This is a conversation that no gm has ever had in professional sports
Well obviously that's not the literal conversation. I'm just saying that there isn't a whole lot of separation (in my mind) between the 8-9 bottom six guys we have currently.
And FWIW I trust Murray's opinion on Regin's value over anyone on these boards who isn't actually an NHL GM. I'm as frustrated as anyone in his injuries, but I'm not one of those people that pigeon-hole players based on bad luck injuries. (Latendresse included)
bang on. it sorta bothers me that people call regin injury prone or "made of glass". anyone's shoulder would tare if he was hit hard, falling awkwardly shoulder first. was nothing more than a freak accident really.
and his 2nd shoulder injury, as he and the team have said. it just happened to be the same shoulder, but a completely different injury, not a reoccurring one. hes never had an injured history list, just back to back shitty years really all it is.
that being said, shoulder is one of the worst possible injuries, it will never be 100% ever again.
the only consistant thing regin has had since his junior days in denmark is his dominance in POs.
I assume 2-way means he does not. Now I know that Daugavins (because of his age I think) reached a point last season where he was no longer waiver exempt despite being on a 2-way.
Good question though - capgeek might have the answer once they get his deal up there.
Hmmm, poking around on capgeek (they don't have Gryba's contract up yet but just looking at FAQ etc) and it looks like he might not be waiver exempt based on already having had 3 years on his previous contract. Seems odd though.
In fact, I can't find any players that are exempt that aren't on their ELCs. Seems like playing 11 games at age 18 or 19 OR having been under contract for 3 years already before this year means you have to clear waivers.
http://capgeek.com/faq/how-do-regular-waivers-work.php
Hockeyy Insiderr @HockeyyInsiderr
#RedWings offer for #CBJ Nash: 2013 1st+ Filpulla+Nyquis t. CBJ turned down this offer and did not even attempt to negotiate. #CONFIRMED
Also my account keeps logging out before I even post...
Gives perhaps an idea at least of what teams "on the list" are bandying about, what the cost would be.
It's a lot better then the crap on this site!!!
Then go read his boring piles of stats and crap, with almost always crap opinions.
I seriously don't understand idiots that come to websites and bitch about the site/the content but waste the time posting...serio usly just fuck off and go back to whatever site you consider superior.
I think the lineup is likely going to be:
Michalek-Spezza-Silfverberg
Latendresse-Turris-Alfie
Greening-Smith-Neil
Regin-O'Brien-Condra
Butler
Latendresse, Silfverberg and Regin all will have to earn those spots in tough competition though.
Daugavins has to get a 2 way or get traded, no room for him really and I'd rather see Stone, Zibanejad, Noesen or Hoffman learn in a 4th line role instead.
The only piece of shit on this site is you. Oh, I forgot Zach, he's a stinking dung heap too.
Regin has missed a lot of hockey but he comes back this year for a few game and posts: 10 games 2 goals 2 assists so that is not too bad for a guy just getting back in the lineup after missing lots of hockey, he can do even better than that. We all were excited to see his production after the amazing playoffs he had. Well with that stupid Shoulder freak accident he has not been able to do that.
If you dont think Regin is any farther ahead today, that is wrong. Sitting out he has been able to watch the game get a good perception of what the Coach wants out of him played a few games and he knows now what it will take to stay in the lineup and be in the top 6. I think Regin could still be a fit with Spezza as he does have a 50-60 point season in him. He has not showed that yet, but he has not had a legit shot at showing that. Let see what happens and remember what Regin was before this injury happen. We looked at him just like we are with Stone. He can produce, we need to give him that shot as fans.
I keep seeing these comments in which O'Brien is a 1st round bust. He was the 29th overall pick in 2007. Of the following 10 picks, no one has played more than JOB's 34 NHL games. As opposed to Lee, there apparently wasn't a pick that the Sens overlooked. You need to get to pick 43 (PK Subban) to find a bonafide NHLer. The 2006 29th pick? Chris Summers. 2008? Daultan Leveille.
"1st round pick" sets a high expectation, but it needs to be lowered when it's a late pick.
Same point can be made for Foligno (28th 2006)
Shoulders heal better than brains.
Regin will earn his spot and Murray will look smart,again...
Then he might get injured(hope not)and Murray will look smart again(FILL IN NAME)comes in...and owns...
Our depth is solid
Trust in the plan
Even if next year blows
Go Sens Go
Summer is too long...
I wonder if Nashville will challenge circumvention. In UFA situations there's no team getting screwed, but the extra years at the end of this one could completely change the compensation they get from four 1st rnd picks to two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd.
Apparently compensation would be 4 firsts. That is pretty good compensation, for a rebuilding team. Nashville sure as hell wasn't trying to rebuild though, at least not three weeks ago!
Have to feel bad for Poile, for a couple of months looked like the team was headed in the right direction... at least in this case he won't be losing a player for free ala Suter.
14 year deal. That has to be the longest ever right?
Only 2 contracts are longer
Rick Dipietro 15 years
Ilya Kovalchuk 15 years
Ahhhhh yes. I thought those were both shorter for some reason.
Good to reflect on how well those monster contracts are panning out... Ilya too early to tell we'd have to revisit that in six or ten years. LOL.
Rick obviously, unmitigated disaster!
You must have more balls than brains to criticize Murray when you can't even spell Holmgren...yeah , Murray should be more like you, decide to offer a 100 million dollar contract, and then have second thoughts 18 minutes later - good job.
Meh. Preds will match.
Chirp, if they do match - do they match the entire contract, and the term? The reason I ask is , would this not mean that Weber would never get a chance at UFA status?
Most players who sign these types of contracts do so voluntarily (with the team of their choosing) whereas, in this intsance, he would be locked into Nashville even though he signed the contract/offer sheet in Philly....
I'm not Chirp but I believe they have to match the contract line for line, including term,$, everything. Even the 26M upfront signing bonus.
I am not sure if you can have NTC though, I seriously hope not. Crap like this actually just annoys me to no end, it essentially goes against 100% of what the owners just tabled as an offer for the new CBA. Their points can't be that important if owners/GMs are rushing out and trying to get as many of these contracts done before the new CBA as possible.
I wouldn't necessarily say an offer sheet with 4 1st is being smart, but with Philly you got to assume that they will be top third of the league. So the 1sts aren't going to be 100% impact players.
Considering everything that has happened in NSH I would be seriously thinking about not matching though and taking the 4 1sts on top of NSH fourths, that provides a hell of a lot of ability to combine picks and move up in the next 4 drafts and grab the 4 exact players you want. Gets you pretty far along in an essentially forced rebuild.
My question had more to do with Weber losing his chance at UFA when he may not want to spend the next 14 years in Nashvile...
I do know they can't trade him for one year. Hence, it will probably be 20-25 million the first year so Nashville has to come up with the cash now. If Weber played it safe because of a potential lockout, it's probably a huge signing bonus with a small salary in year 1, so he gets paid regardless of whether he plays this year.
He must be ok with spending the next 14 years in Nashville or I doubt he would have signed it. He would have known there is a better chance than not that NAshville matches.
Exactly. Not sure why he'd sign the offer sheet at all really since he's making it very possible that he plays his entire career in Nashville - which he apparently didn't want to do.
Why not threaten to sign one and basically force Nashville to trade him to Philly?
If I'm Nashville I'm tempted to let him go, take the picks and go shopping for a new D. Oops, there are none left though.
You can't tell your fan base and club that your going for it for two years in a row by trading your 1sts for fisher and guastad, then sit back patiently as you lose Suter and Weber for 4 1st round picks combined
Nashville have to match and keep Weber or they might as well start over and lose all the progress they have made in last 5 years
True. I did say "tempted" but I think you're right that the message to the fan base is not worth it. It's too bad Suter isn't still available since they'd probably rather have kept him and gotten four firsts for Weber.
Will be interesting to see how this develops.
Karlsson and Weber on the PP!!...nuff said..
I brought this up last week about how posting /editing/ quoting on here was torture.
Turns out the problem is with the stock android browser.. download Google chrome app for free and almost all the problems are solved
Don't know Why android doesnt come with chrome as stock, considering they're both made by google...
But who cares, I can post here now with no typos
Oh plus the browser is wayyyyy sweeter
I think Ottawa should trade Regin to Pittsburgh for a 7th round draft pick....
But Pittsburgh would never do that
See my point?
Flyers are closer to a Cup than us, so in their org, it makes at least some sense to shed so many future picks to go for it NOW.
I can't really say this is the case in Ottawa. We'd still need at minimum an extremely solid first line winger...
All I can say is that this sure makes Fletcher look like a genius, pulling off two deals like this but without losing 8 first rounders.
Silfverberg - Spezza - Michalek
Latendresse - Turris - Alfredsson
Greening - Regin - Condra
Z. Smith - JOB - Neil
(Butler & Daugavins)
Methot - Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Lundin/Boroweicki
Anderson - Bishop
How do you figure we will have $40 million in cap space? Is the salary cap increasing? I know we will have a lot of space but that much..
I like this approach with the bottom six. Instead of putting Neil on the third line (which he probably should) instead you create two lines that probably have better chemistry. If MacLean wants some crash-and-bang he puts out the JOB line, if he wants more skill and fundamental hockey he puts out the Regin line. And of course he can mix things up if needs be.
I don't know how the owners can look the NHLPA straight in the eye after this:
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Orriginal offer sheet for Shea Weber was 1yr, but Preds would match. $68 mil in bonus $ in 1st 6 yrs, $27 mil total in less than 1 year.
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Weber will receive $14 mil in each of 1st 4 years. $12 mil in next 2 yrs. $6mil in following 4 yrs...then $3mil and $1mil, $1mil,$1mil,$1m il
I get the frustration that we couldn't land Nash or Suter etc - especially with all the talk about it and hype the media gave those players. But let's not confuse it with "balls" okay? From all indications Murray has been ready and willing to make the big moves but (so far) hasn't been able to. Suter and Parise basically conspired to go to Minny, Nash won't come here etc, etc.
It's fine as a fan to be a bit disappointed and frustrated but let's be glad our GM has the "balls" to stay the course of the rebuild instead of going and tossing money at some second-tier UFA just to try and appease a few impatient fans.
I wonder what the rules are offer sheets that circumvent the cap like that. Can the NHL step in now and void the offer sheet or would the Preds have to let Weber go first, then the NHL might void the contract? I can't see that type of structure in the deal being allowed. $7M for the last fiver years of the contract combined?
Not only that but this is simply put a big market cash cow team bullying a smaller market around
By structuring the deal this way, Philly is basically saying, no way can Nashville afford all that money up front, so haha
I think the NHL should implement a rule stating that an offer sheet, regardless of structure, should be matched by the actual cap hit
Meaning, if Weber AAV is 7.857 for 14 years, thats the contract Nashville should be allowed to match. "We will give you your $110 million over 14 years, but only at an even payout"
@ St Nick,
Great lineup, that might just be as you posted it !!
Our first 2 lines should be awesome, if everyone can stay healthy most of the season.
Hope Regin & Condra play up to expectations with Greening.
Smith - O'Brien - Neil will no doubt be our checking line .
Agee with your defense pairings ,and hope Methot can keep up with Karlsson.
We should see the above at the 15-20 game junction.
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!
I posted the exact same lines yesterday but put condra on 4th and neil on 3rd
Neil-Regin-Greening
Smith-Job-Condra
Definitely not saying that arrangement couldn't work - but to me flipping Neil and Condra is a key move since Condra (by all reports) is a guy that offensively minded players like Regin like to play with. And Greening's experience last year shows he can play on a skill line. While Neil, Smith and JOB are all guys very comfortable playing a more energy style (but have some skill as well).
Again, not much point in debating the bottom six too much. And as discussed yesterday Smith is not a one-dimensional energy guy either. So pretty much any way you shuffle the bottom six could work out.
Rules stipulate that nashville can't trade Weber for 1 calendar year if they match it
So its a 14 year contract, but they have to pay out 27 million or 25% of the full contract in year 1 before even being allowed to trade him. I don't see how this is not Philly way of saying eff you and so long sucker to a small market team
That one was $7M over the last 7 years - so a bit more extreme. Not sure where the NHL draws the line exactly.
Nash being a baby about where he wants to go is so much better in my eyes vs what Weber is doing here
Nashville has been successful last two years. They committed to Rinne. Tried to commit to Suter, but lost him. Now their captai is willing to walk away for a "shot at the cup"
If Nashville match, how will the locker room feel. Oh cool welcome back el capitaine, glad to have you, might want to bring both feet back into the locker room now
If you ask me, the lose of Suter was the start of the rebuild in Nashville. They were never a big money spending team and I wouldn't expect them to become one.
Adding a Radulov, Fisher, Gaustad and Yip was one thing, they were going for it last year. But right now, this team cannot continue to buy in hope of a run. They have Rinne and Weber, and now may lose Weber. Beyond Rinne they have no real star power. You almost need to rebuild, but the question is can Nashville afford to do that?
You'd be the first one complaining they traded four picks man! You were the one preaching "Fail for Nail" and rebuild the right way for a few years and you're saying we should have potentially lost 4 first round picks for a guy who is going to make 14 million dollars next season and 100 mill in the next 14...
You make no sense dude.
They can't sign and trade. They'd have to match the offer sheet and pay him the $27M in the first year before they can trade (one calendar year later).
Lose radulov for nothing
Lose Suter for nothing
Lose Webber for what will essentially amount to nothing....I can't see Philly being a lottery pick in the next 4 years do essentially it's 4 second rounders
As for lines, I gotta think Maclean runs with Smith Neil Latendresse...t hat would be any teams worst nightmare.
I also believe either Turris or Regin will be moved to the wing within the top 6.
I would actually be surprised to see Nashville match this offer sheet, and if it doesn't fall in the range of 4 1st rnd picks as compensation I would really enjoy watching the sideshow as the two clubs battle it out in front of the league.
Their defense and dollar figures:
Weber - 7.875
Timmonen - 6.33
Pronger (LTI) - 4.91
Cobourn - 4.5
Meszaros - 4
Schenn - 3.6
Grossman - 3.5
Gervais - .825
Lilja - .737
Total Dmen under contract: 9 (Pronger on LTI)
Total Salary With Pronger: 36.277
Total Salary without Pronger: 29.947
Thats ridiculous, good luck trying to re-seign hartnell next year
Oh and Nashville take notice..Giroux, Schenn and Courtourier are all RFA in 2 years at the same time
Two problems with that (IMO). If Latendresse drops to that line (which is a great looking line) then who jumps into the top 6? I personally don't think GL is a legit top 6 guy in the first place but with our roster as it is it's pretty much top 6 or bust for him.
And while it's tempting to move Turris to Spezza's wing, we've waited so long for a legit 2C that I can't see them doing that.
Of course, if Regin or Zibanejad prove to be worthy of that 2C slot then that changes things a bit.
The problem is like everyone is already is saying that this is basically a big market team bullying a small market team. They are forced to either pay 27 million or get screwed with only getting 4 1st's. That's a really tough decision for Poile and the Nashville ownership.
I hope the NHL steps in and voids this contract or at the very least somehow let's Nashville match the offer and trade him right away instead of having to pay out the first year which is an absurd 25% of the 14 year deal.
The fact people are saying BM doesn't have the balls to do this type of deal is ridiculous. Thank god he doesn't pull shit like this. I guarantee 90% of the GM's right now are thinking to themselves how big of a douchebag Holmgren is. He will have a hard time dealing with them in the future if this go through. Could you imagine if he would have done this to Karlsson if we didn't have him signed by July 1st??
Hahahaha amazing!!!
@ NikoTn,
Well put, and you will not see a reply from Tookie !
If he does, it's because I challenged him !
so thats 2 of 6 now off list (Det and Phi)
leaving NYR, SJ, Pitt, Bos
All of which have said his price is way too high for them. I really hope Rick Nash understands the corner he is painting himself into lol
Good point.
I'm not sure how I want the Nash thing to play out. Would be great to have him here but only if he has some sort of epiphany and really wants to be here - which seems hopeless. And even then he'd have to dedicate himself to winning over his teammates, the org and the fans - no small feat.
Totally agree. I also think the rangers, sharks and penguins don't have the assets to give up even if the asking price was lowered a tad. Boston on the other hand does have the guys but are so tight to the cap that they'd have to give up big salary and somehow move Thomas' 5 million cap hit. I just don't see any of those teams doing it.
Howsen will eventually have to sit down with Nash and explain to him that it's unrealistic for him to be traded to any of these teams.
Once again I say we still have a very good chance of getting him even if this BS lasts until September.
Do you mean the corner Howson is painting himself into? Nash isn't painting himself into any corner, he's not the one with the ridiculous asking price.
Honestly I think if somehow Nash ended up in Ottawa fans would get over themselves rather quickly and welcome the guy.
Was it a douchebag move? Yes. But they can't take it back now. And you cannot wipe Weber's hands clean of this, he knew the offer was coming, these things are negotiated to a degree up front. It was the leverage Weber needed to push back on Nashville. Does he expect Nashville to sign him, probably not. Will they, I'd walk away if I was them and let Philly swim in the shitty mess that they've created.
Nashville can rebuild, they have what I'd consider the best goalie in the league. Have a good core of young forwards in the system, along with some vet presence and some very good top line D in the fold ready to take the next step. Those 1st round picks will come in handy for a team that does well drafting in mid to late rounds.
If you mean the compensation if they don't match the offer sheet - four first round picks from Philly.
1st rounders for the next 4 years
So the last offer was what? MZ, Foligno, Bishop and our first?
So do we go with Greening in place of Foligno? Then instead of Bishop (since the don't need a goalie now) maybe throw in a Regin or something?
Wow, I'm amazed so many people are taking the stance that Philly is screwed. I think if they get Webber they will be one of the perennial powerhouses for the next decade plus.
Briere, Hartnell, Giroux, Schenn, Simmonds, Couturier, Read up front. Then Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros, Schenn, Grossman and Weber on D.
Don't forget that Timonen's contract is in his last year which will be 6.333 off the books in 2013. They also still have a pretty decent prospect cupboard beyond all of this.
4 late 1sts for Weber is a deal I would do any day.
I don't think it'll be as bad as it looks. Timmonen comes off the books next year. That's $7 mill right there.
Agreed. They will lose some guys...
Simmonds and Read could maybe fetch a first rounder each if they have good seasons. They'll be fine.
I agree they will be a powerhouse, but Pronger cap hit will stay for ever unless they use it on LTI for next 5 years
Timmonen is up and so is Hartnell and Briere etc. If cpa gets lowered they have an awful lot of money tied up on defense with 3 big name RFA coming
They will do well, I'm just saying they have way to many dmen lol
Supposedly it was just MZ, Foligno and Bishop, no first rounder. I think Greening should interest Columbus a bit, but definitely no Foligno. I'm not sure Regin has any trade value beyond being a throw in.
Not sure we have the pieces anymore as Bishop and Foligno were key parts we needed included in any Q4Q trade.
Pronger will be on LTIR, I don't think it's even worth counting him towards their cap anymore. Timonen will not be back after this year. They can also easily move out one of the other dmen they have like Meszaros for a decent return. I think they'll save the extra cap space for re-signing the young guys and Briere.
But yes, that is one very expensive D!
MZ, Bishop, 1st and greening (2 NHL ready forwards)
for
Mason and Nash
we take back salary, but this way we still don't have to rush Lehner, and Mason is a solid backup with some potential (not that I'd try to untap it)
I think we can still put a package together. Greening is almost as attractive as Foligno IMO, though clearly earlier in his development (but maybe that's a good thing). His numbers from last year are a bit bloated due to his first line time - but they still look good on paper.
I agree Regin probably doesn't have a lot of value since he's played so little recently, but he could end up being another top 6 guy for them. So they could get two marginal top 6 players plus a top prospect. A starting point anyway.
I'd be game for that too. They could even have Regin as a throw in if needed.
Don't like Mason there...
Take out the first and take out Mason and it's a deal. Although I think Greening will be an excellent player for us.
I like Bishop over Mason too but no way they'll take a goalie without sending one back. So take both goalies out IMO and then figure out what we'd need to add to get er done.
It would be interesting to hear how the GMs compare Greening and Foligno. I like Greening's game, but I still feel he'll be more of a grinder when the young snipers are ready. Hopefully I'm wrong and he has a bit more offense develop in him.
I'm really intrigued to see a Greening-Smith- Neil line, I think it could be a 2b shutdown type line with some offense.
Yeah I think our team in 2-3 years is better if Greening ends up on the third line. But I'd have said the same about Foligno too. Basically hoping that guys like Silfverberg and Noesen are just too good not to be in the top 6 meaning Greening ends up on the third line.
this is bang on
why is everyone saying well its 4 late 1st round picks they arent worth much.
but if nashville struggles it would mean the preds would have 3 picks in the top 40 picks for the next 4 years and to a team that drafts well like the preds do they should be able to get some solid pieces out out of it.
or package the extra 1st rounders to acquire pieces
will those pieces replace shea weber probably not but would they go a long way in building nashville back to a where they were the last few years. absolutely
I still don't think it makes up for it though. Think about it, if we lost Karlsson for 4 late 1st rounders, would you be happy? Despite all the good work the Murrays and their teams do, it's just not equivalent.
Think about how much Columbus is asking for Nash and compare that to 4 late 1st round picks. Either way Nashville takes a serious step back with this, both short term and long term. I don't feel sympathy for them though, they knew this day was coming and they decided to keep Suter and Weber instead of trading them.
The whole point is that CLB really want to get rid of mason and hsi salary. If we offered this I could see Howsen putting even more pressure on Nash
We don't want to rush Lehner, if his new and improved attitude this year is true, I would really like to see it tested in AHL for a year. Mason allows us to do this
I don't think CLB could be confident going with mason/Bobrovski
Bishop/Bob would be great and cheaper (good for rebuild)
Yeah did we get Nail, no, are we inline to get MacKinnon...NO!
So why the hell would I care if we give up 4 1st rounders for Shea FREAKIN Weber!
Dude wake up man.
Well yes, if CBJ insists on including the goalies that's different - and to your point they might. I was just saying that there's either two goalies in the trade or none.
I'd gladly give up 4 1st for Weber, but I wouldn't give up 14 years and 27 mill in 1 calendar year
thats insane
Yeah thats Philly and that will probably get retracted or modified to be more cap friendly.
i.e. "Hey Philly, we won't match but you'd have to agree to let us trade your four picks back for _____".
I'm the opposite ~8M per year for one of the perennial Norris candidates is not bad, but getting a stud d-man without giving up 4 first rounders is the way to go, like Minny did.
Just wondering I know it is a year away from next summer will Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf resign before next summer or will they both become free agents?
Guaranteed that whatever Nashville was asking for in any trades for Weber would have been worth more than 4 late 1st rounders.
i never said it makes up for it. but given the fact nashville may not be able to match the 26 million in cash or whatever it is owed to weber in year one
their rebuild would move a long a whole lot faster getting those 4 last first rounders then if say the preds signed weber to another one year deal and lost him for nothing next summer
I'd put the odds thusly:
Both getting to UFA - 10%
One of the two getting to UFA - 60%
One getting signed-and-trad ed - 10%
Both getting resigned - 20%
Hopefully Murray is keeping an eye on that situation.
Of course if Ryan gets traded then I think both getting resigned jumps to 70%.
And that is probably exactly what will happen. Philly doesn't even have enough cash to sign Voracek now.
Ya thats a clause in the CBA
Basically its a way of saying "hey we don't want your 1st, you can have Weber but we would really like to have meszaros, grossman and read"
My only thing is that Nashville was not in a rebuild. They just sold their future the last 2 years to make a run at it. They are being forced into a rebuild by not having planned for it. So yes the 4 firsts will help them, but keeping Weber or getting real players/prospec ts back instead would be a much better situation for them.
I agree I hope Murray is keeping a eye on that situation!
Also do you think that Murray is done for this offseason or do you think that Murray will make another either a trade or sign someone else?
yeah it isnt a planned rebuild but once suter left the writing was on the wall that weber was leaving as well
it is unfortunate it is a forced rebuild but take the picks or trade them back to philly for some players that will help now but they need to just move and focus on trying to build a contender before rinne gets fed up and wants out
Agreed. I see Nashville returning to their old role of barely relevant now. They've lost so much this off-season that even if they match this offer sheet they're not really going anywhere in the near future.
When I put it into that perspective I don't think I would be.
I would glady give up 4 1st for Weber but would not accept 4 1st for Karlsson, haha.
Poile is fucked!
It's a brilliant move by Philly, no doubt. But I gurantee you that if WE did it, people would bitch and whine.
But if Perry and Getz looked into their Canadian hearts and started playing for the team they beat in 2007 to win the cup that would be amazing. At the very least just Perry would be amazing to have on Spezza's wing.
I truly hope we can land at least one very good FA next season for 3 years at 6 mill a year.
It's not that easy. Elite all-around Defensman...yes he is. But this contract is just plain stupid. Would you trade Weber for FOUR 1st round picks? Probably....not . (you might think about it...)
However, if the alternative is to match this RIDICULOUS offer sheet, then its not an easy answer. I gotta think (IMHO) that at some point over the next 7 days, they shake their fist at Philly...and take the four 1st rounders.
Does any of the 4 first round picks replace Weber? Ofcourse not....but you can't think of it that way. 1st round picks are still real assests. None of those 1st rounders will likely be anything near a top 10, but those are still first round picks that can be used in many ways. Aside from actually picking players with them, they can be used in trades to acquire players, or bundled with their own to move down in a draft. (for example).
There is still real value in that compensation... .even if none of it "replaces" Shea Weber.
Don't forget that Murray (presumably/hop efully) has good relationships with Perry and Getzlaf. So that might mean we actually have a shot.
How they just don't suck it up and trade either one of Suter or Webber two summers ago/last summer is beyond me.
To ignore that this was going to happen just shows poor team management, in my opinion.
I agree with this, I think having a total of 8 first round picks over the next 4 years is pretty crazy. I suspect their picks would end up being mid 1sts at absolute best and the philly picks would be mid 1sts at absolute worst(extremely unlikely more likely to be near the end of the 1st)but with really any of those picks you have a fairly good chance of bundling at least 2 for a higher first in at least one if not more of the seasons.
I am not sure...I honestly(especi ally being NSH) would probably say good bye...if we reverse it to be Karlsson, I'm not sure, I would have to put some serious thought into it.
I am going under the assumption that if he signed it that there would be some repercussions from everyone involved if he ended up going back to NSH, and I genuinely don't think it is that far fetched to expect him to request a trade(NTC included or not with the offer) within a few seasons.
We have all seen how well those situations tend to turn out.
They certainly could have done that, but I doubt they really believed both could be gone the same summer. Plus they were trying to "make a run" of sorts.
In hindsight they should have either traded one a few years back or (better yet IMO) extended Suter a long time ago. Or, once it was clear Suter wouldn't extend, got Weber extended or traded before July 1st of this year.
It's tough though since Weber would fetch a lot more at the deadline last year (as would have Suter) but they just weren't in a position to give up on last season.
So I'm not losing any sleep for Polie, but I do see how he ended up with the worst possible outcome of some calculated risks.
The offer sheet cannot include any sort of NTC/NMC.
So that begs the question - why would a guy apparently so desperate to get out of Nashville sign such a long deal without a NTC, since he could end up traded to some other city he doesn't like?
I don't know if I would call them a powerhouse. They have very good forwards.. decent D and a headcase in goal. They don't have the goaltending that Boston, NYR, and when he is good -- Fleury in Pitts. Hell Anderson is better than Bryzgalov and Price sure is.
But in 2 years.. with 3 key RFA's due for a new contract.. I hope someone offer sheets the hell out of the 3 of them.. Karma's a bitch Mr. Holmgren.. It bit Pronger.. now it will bite you.
Offer Sheets are a way to do business... but they really put the screws to Nashville. I really feel sorry for them.
They will probably keep Pronger on LTIR to avoid his cap hit... but what if he is healthy enough to play?
These owners/GMs are hypocrites. They whine and go on about these types of contracts.. but 3 have been signed within the last couple of weeks. If there is a lockout/strike. . it's on the head of the GM's and Owners.
Enough is enough.
See this makes me(NSH) really not want to match it...in a season or two(after you have paid more than 25-35 million to him) he will want out/possibly hold out and you 100% will end up getting less than 4 first round picks in return.
Don't be so sure. With nearly half the contract dollars already paid out he becomes a super bargain. Teams will be lined up to trade for him in 2 years - either from Philly or Nashville. And no restrictions on what team/city you can move him to.
Completely agree. They have to lay in the bed they made!
I would match the offer, he's the best dman in the league.
We don't need Getzlaf, perry would be awesome. and also maybe those two don't want to keep playing together lol, maybe they want to branch off
Total long-shot of course but I would take Getzlaf if we could get him. Turris looks like he could be very productive on Spezza's wing so your top 6 would something ridiculous like:
Silfverberg-Spezza-Turris
Michalek-Getzlaf-Perry
Well of course I would take GEtzlaf if we could get him lol but if we are gunna target UFA's I would rather make a duo out of perry and hartnell
Perry-Spezza-Silf
Hartnell-Turris-Michalek
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8181363/nashville-predators-clear-choice-shea-weber-offer-sheet
That is hardcore. Sure "valid move" within the realm of the current but wow, way to fuck over Nashville as badly as possible.
Leak rumors that the player does not want to play in that old market anyways? Check.
Engineer offer with the player's agent to ensure an NTC after year 1, so old team would be "stuck" with a player that has already leaked that he doesn't want to play there and now could demand a trade and control his destination almost ensuring less value back than the compensatory picks? Check.
Lotion for Poile's asshole to calm the burning sensation? A whole gift basket full.
Agreed that's better but was responding more to the suggestion that maybe Getzlaf and Perry might want to be a package deal. But yeah, "Suck it Phaneuf" can play on my team anytime.
It's tough to argue that point as he had ample opportunity to trade Suter at the trade deadline but instead took his chances of signing him at the end of the season. I think everyone knew that was a bad call because as a budget they team simply didn't have enough to offer once other offers were coming in.
Same goes for the Webber situation. Apparently Poile was warned that Shea would sign this offer sheet and had ample opportunity to trade him. He didn't and now he along with his franchise are screwed which ever way this goes.
Also over the past couple seasons both Suter and Webber made it clear to Poile that they would only stay in Nashville if he could prove to them that he could keep the team competitive in the present and future. Poile then went out and traded 1st round picks for both Fisher and Gaustad and therefore mortgaged the future while really not doing much immediate good for the teams chances in the playoffs. Yes they improved slightly but anyone who knows hockey clearly sees that team doesn't have the assets to sustain success in the insanely competitive central division. When you combine that along with them obviously not wanting to spend $200 million on both of their stars, you can't blame neither of them for wanting out.
Now only did Poile screw up here but I think the other main reason this is happening is because the NHL and PA extended their CBA agreement a couple years ago. Since then we've seen quite a few of these stupid long term front loaded contracts that really prevent budget teams from keeping their stars that they spend years developing. Now the rules will change but it's already too late for a few teams.
Readable - thank you for taking the time to space it out a bit.
I agree with you. Poile was pretty much damned either way (unless they won the cup). Trade them and he "fails" for not going for it. Keep them and he loses them for nothing.
It's also ironic that if both guys had stayed and agreed to reasonable contracts (i.e. Karlsson) they could have easily had a very strong team for years to come, but by leaving they cannot hope to be competitive for a long time.
You do know that Weber was a 2nd round pick right? Not knocking his skill or anything but I'd gladly take 4 first rounders, knowing there is a much higher chance of you winning the deal in the long term.
Remember who was taken in the first round... Erik Karlsson. Not in the top 3, or top 5, or top 10-- at number 15. Now, if NSH bombs too, they'd have a minimum of two picks in the first round, maybe more via trades for the next few years... Some teams can barely hang on to ONE first round pick!
Weber can, and will be replaced in Nashville. They have a solid group, and better than average scouting/drafti ng. It hurts now, but for Philly it could hurt much more. They have to win the Cup within the next 4 years, or else this one is going to hurt.
He's a really good follow with the inside scoop on so many things sport, including NHL, NBA, MLB and NFL especially.
Like many guys with "sources" he is occasionally incorrect based on the info he receives, but I've first hand watched him break a dozen massive deals or signings the past several months alone.
Is that a Twitter handle? Can't find it (though it looks familiar - so maybe there's a typo?)
@incarceratedbo b @HockeyyInsider r
are the 2 guys to follow
The point brought up about how we got Karlsson at #15 is a decent one... but let's not forget where PHilli got Mr. C Giroux... very late... very skilled 1st line C
.so they must be legit lmao
I know what you mean, the guys is a beast. Please see 2010 Olympics when he scored and broke the netting and we never even realized it, light speed > my eyes.
He also dummies guys into turnbuckles a la WWE now a days. Please see 2012 Playoffs, Zetterbergs face ringing off the glass.
Then agian, Schenn, Couturier could be very good players for years to come as well, so if Flyers do get Weber, I imagine a trade with Preds to get some players back and not just simply 4 picks. Hence, the East could lose those young highly touted prospects Philli has.
This guy sounds just like our very own DEANO. Good interview.
http://proxy.autopod.ca/podcasts/chum/184/7793/12.07.19%20pete%20weber%20with%20the%20scratches.mp3
Dregger can't stand them either. Blocks them on twitter on the regular. Of course, their predictions don't always work out but 80% of the time, it works all the time. Insiderr chirps a little too much and tweets uselessly, but overall does good work. He gets off a little too much on his anonymous status too. I follow them both and a few others, nothing else to read these days.... I'm looking at your SENSCHIRP!!!
Have an offer on the table to join those two guys on their new site. Really can't decide what to do.
Exactly this and @incarceratedbo b is the more established of the two. He has lots of haters who say that he "guesses" but I watch his every move and he hits them out of the park often. Good insider for boxing too, not like anyone here cares about that.
He has especially good connections within the NY market which is where he is from and his insider knowledge is far more broad than this new hockeyinsiderr guy who is very much limited to NHL happenings.
Seriously? As a follower at least I know @incarceratedbo b inside and out, he even follows me.
I thought for the whole hockeyinsiderr guy that he chose a different Sens blogger? I didn't even know these two had an alliance going.
Do they want you to join forces with them specifically and get rid of this site? You would be like the Yost being one of many team specialists on one site, except bob at least knows his business unlike dummy.
If I had to choose between one or the other, not sure what I would do, but I'm sure you could contribute extremely well over there and of course we would mostly all follow.
If you can keep this site going as an interim solution, it might give you a bit of breathing room to check out the benefits of an alliance like that. It could pan out to be pretty awesome.
Also we know and respect the fact that you are an huge Sens fan first and foremost and have always showed a lot of integrity, but it can't hurt to sort of understand what the revenue opportunity is here versus an alliance...
If you can do what you do here, maybe promote yourself and our team even more, be a bit better compensated for it and help build your SensChirp brand that would be pretty awesome.
I'll admit, I occasionally waft over to HB, but it isn't for dummy's take on things, but on slow days checking out what Engel is saying about the Habs, or Yost about the Sens or on a day like today seeing what the Nashville blogger is saying versus the Philly blogger.. it can make for a more highly engaging and busy ecosystem at times.
We like your jib and your connections and regardless what you decide to do I'm sure you'll find a lot of support behind your next step. I'm interested to see how this might all pan out!
It would be a" huge loss ", if you did not keep Senschirp Site to join these insiders.
You would be priviledged to insider information, and be a contibutor of breaking news, to Senschip Readers and Ottawa Senators organization!
Long live Senschirp Website.
This site isn't going anywhere. I can assure you of that. It would be a side project.
If it allows you to reach more readers go for it. Even if you're forced to shut down this site, SC readers will follow. Doesn't matter what the url is.
I love the site but it's Chirp I follow. He could be on CNN and I'd still read his posts.
i would not try that same offersheet for weber as a sens gm. likelyhood is too low of making the playoffs let alone deep into the playoffs over the next 4 years.
but on the other hand i dont think nashville has a whole lot to complain about. saying "would you trade weber for 4 of phillys 1sts?" isn't the issue. it's "what are the available options and how do we get the best deal out of this situation?"
options:
1) trade weber now or at the trade deadline. but its no guarantee that they could even find a better deal than 4 picks. 4 first round picks is pretty good for a rental even of webers caliber.
2)sign him to an extension. but weber knows what he would be/is worth. so he probably would have held out until nashville offered something like this 14yr 110m$ monstrosity anyway.
3) he walks away for nothing....
Actual options (since they can't trade him or extend him):
1) let him go to Philly and take the 4 picks
2) match the offer sheet which (apparently) includes a NTC that kicks in after the first year - the first year where they CBA won't allow him to be traded anyway since he was offer sheeted - so if they match they're stuck with him. Until he demands a trade of course and picks two teams that he'll waive for or whatever.
Given all the BS of option 2, I'd be tempted to let him go to Philly. But then what do they tell their fan base?
Or 3) I guess they could try to work something out with Philly where they agree not to match and pre-arrange to trade back the four picks for players.
If those other two people are good people I say go for it, but remember you can be judged by the company you keep, for instance if you decided to be the new sens blogger on hockey buzz then it's goodnight irene.
If the site you go to is credible people will follow. I'm pretty sure most of us can cope with 2 hockey sites a day to look at.
I had mentioned you joining them on here a few days ago chirp and never got an answer, just a bunch of negatives to my comment.
I think it would be very cool. I saw him ask you on the twittor to join the team. They do good stuff, just start beef with the wrong people.
just to clarify the options i listed were those before the offersheet. all less than ideal options because none of them have any certainty.
obviously the offer sheet negates those possibilities but created a new list of undesirables. but i think out of all the options current or previous the best one is to take the 4 picks and let weber go.
or ya your 3rd point is a good possibility too.
and i dont think there is any explanation needed for the fan base. "weber signed an offer that isn't in our best interest to match. good luck to him with the new team that HE decided to go to". something along those lines.
That must be why you never tell Trollkie to give it a rest.
The salary cap would be close to being over the limit. Going with the Rick Nash experiment, all these players would love to represent their country but not necessarily want to play in it. Lastly, it would be a huge roadblock in what a team is in the process of going through which is a rebuild.
On he other hand, Perry would be a great 1st line sniper with to with Spezz. Apart from that, the only factor really is playing in Canada. When it comes to the olympics, everyone wants to lace them up. But when it comes to your NHL career, players would rather much play in the U.S. It sucks hard but that's the harsh reality. Just like the odds of landing Shea Weber was what we would've love to see but in the end, we all know they wouldn't want to play here.
Brilliant and clearly very accurate!
That be a dream come true!
You are completely right except for the fact that you are totally wrong.
Chirp does let Tookie run with most of his negative meanderings which is understandble. You speak as if it's somehow wrong of chirp to want traffic to this site.
But on several occasions when Tookie has been at his baiting best (or worst) Chirp has called him on it and asked him to stop.
The main reason I would imagine that chirp doesn't tell Tookie to can it as often as you would like is at least Tookie is still talking about hockey when he's being an ass. It's generally the pointless bickering and name calling that he puts a stop to - thank God.
You should be grateful that this site isn't more closely moderated (whether automatically or by somebody actually reviewing the posts),
Given, he and I were off on our predictions of how our team would fare last season(and I admit that is a big one but even now everyone says we overachieved).
I am glad that for the most part this site doesn't need a tonne of moderation, and when it does it is usually one or two idiots acting like teenage boys and throwing insults because people don't agree with them(I also suspect that the reason we see more of this in the summer/after 3pm is because they are infact teenage boys)
I do find it interesting that those that strut like peacocks regarding the playoff bound predictions have conveniently forgotten that it was also predicted that Filatov was going to score 30 goals and Rundblad was going to be in the running for the Calder (which I guess he was until the Phoenix B team got knocked out in the AHL).
There are so many variations of predictions that we basically had all bases covered and I'm sure we will this pre-season too. For my part I think we'll be fighting for the 7-8 playoff position again -I admit I am weorried by how the fan base will turn on Murray and MacLean should we struggle somewhat or even miss the playoffs. I think the success of last year has allowed some people to forget that we are still far from the finished article.
The bigger point is that people seem far too focused on putting each other down and reminding them of the error of their ways than enjoying the surprising success the team had last year.
Got to agree with Tcharger here. The lack of immaturaty in some posts is unbelievable where as the worse Tooks will say is give your head a shake or be a little sarcastic. I usually agree with Tooks' assessments except for the off the wall stuff like we will have a terrible season next year. You're crazy Tooks !
We have a few too many health question marks....need for a rookie to step up big(which personally I suspect will be the one massive highlight of this season)...Silfv erburg will shut up his knockers.
Poor Andrew Ladd - stabbed in the heart again.
Check your facts.. Chara & Redden were both UFA's... Muckler is an idiot.