Obviously the most significant pick up of Day 1 was Marc Methot.
The belief is his name came up in some of the Rick Nash discussions and he was a player Murray was extremely high on. A left handed shot, Methot should fit in well beside Erik Karlsson and solidify the back end for the Senators.
Latendresse is a bit of a wild card up front. When he's healthy and in shape, he is a player that can contribute offensively and ideally, play in the top six. On a one year deal, this is a low risk, high reward type of move.
The Sens also added Mike Lundin on a one year deal. Lundin is a solid depth defenceman that had some injury issues last year but is healthy heading into next season.
Losing Carkner, Konopka and Foligno does hurt the team's toughness a little bit but there are other guys that can step up and fill that void.
The Sens are apparently working on a couple other small things today and would still like to add another top six forward if they can. It seems like the Rick Nash talk has finally been put to bed but there are some other options for the Senators on the trade front.
And for those who missed the tweet earlier this morning, all signs point to Daniel Alfredsson coming back for another season.
latendresse will surprise, he can finish, try him with spezza-might be the best 1.2 murray ever spent
can you believe alfie will play for 1 million?-this guy shits character
I'm excited about Methot. I haven't seen him play very often but the general consensus is he's a tough, stay at home, top 4 defenseman and that is something we've been lacking.
The Latendresse move still doesn't make much sense to me. I realize he's a low risk signing but the chances of him being what this team needs to make the playoffs are fairly slim. I just don't know why we'd fill a roster spot with a player who is often injured and has a poor work eithic. His roster spot should have been left open for one of our promising prospects.
its a one year contract, murray is telling him put up or shut up
michalek spezza latendresse
silfverburg turris alfie
see if it works
I think this is what a lot of people didn't know when they jumped to a conclusion of the type of player he is.
This is not a Hal Gill pylon defensive D. This is a mobile top four D who plays against the oppositions best.
It's an asset for asset trade and IMO the $4M a year Foligno is looking for can best be spent elsewhere. *cough* Doan...
I know goal scoring wasn't a concern last year but it doesn't mean we'll be able to match the same production this upcoming season.
Regardless of what many of you say we still desperately need another top six forward if we want to stay in the mix in the eastern conference.
We NEED to get Spezza a legit line. MM9 is fine but not if he's the "go to guy" by himself.
I'm sad to see Foligno go but hopeful that Methot is just more needed on the blue line than Nick was up front.
Sucks we couldn't have done more but given the rumors of what Suter and Parise want and the fact that we're simply not on Nash's list there really wasn't much else to do.
Overpaying for guy just to get a guy would have been foolish so going 1-year on low risk guys is appropriate.
I'm assuming Murray's still not done either - but not expecting anything too exciting.
Look for Carolina, Buffalo, and Tampa to be much improved in 2012/2013, and a hungry Winnipeg team as well.
I still look at the Sens as a rebuilding team, we're still far from being a contender, and although I believe we can make the playoffs, I'm definitely not expecting it yet, unless Murray can find us a legitimate top winger.
Eric Fehr is EXACTLY what we need
Latemdreuse may work out...but dislike it because I would have preferred one of the prospects play/all of them battle for the spot.
Our top line still isnt improved, so I will hold onto the faint hope that there is a trade in the works for Ryan
And let's stop crapping all over Latendresse. I think he knows as well as anyone else, this is his last chance to crack a lineup in the NHL as a regular. His career hasn't been long, but considering he WANTED to play here lets give the guy a break and stop busting his balls already. He'll get a shot and if it doesn't pan out, he won't be back.
Remember, we made a few moves but we haven't lost a SINGLE prospect so I don't know why everyone is complaining. Be patient.
I almost get the feeling Murray is just gonna try and run with our young talent up front, Maybe make 1 key trade for a forward that will cost us something via trade but i think thats it.
Methot from what i've seen before will work nicely with our team. Could definitely see Method or Cowen becoming Karlsson's new partner.
Latendresse is like mentioned a low risk high reward player & if he doesn't pan out we can either trade or waive around deadline.
With Silverberg/Ston e/Zibanjad all potentially making the team this year were gonna have some energy on the offense I'm sure 1 of the 3 listed will run with the chance to play and earn the number 1 spot
I'd like to see
Michalek - Spezza - Stone
Silverberg - Turris - Alfie
Greening - Smith - Zibanjad
Latedresse - Winchester - Neil
Condra
Risky lines but high reward if the kids can score
"Latemdreuse"?
Agree though. I assume GT was brought in because Murray feels pretty confident that he's still going to make a Q4Q trade to open up a spot up front. Otherwise I don't see much point. Even if he works out I don't think he's a top line guy, probably second line is his ceiling. Would rather spend next year having Silfverberg or Stone or someone trying to get settled in a top line role.
If they continue to allow the cap to go up, they will destroy the parity in the league. The rich teams will get richer and the poor teams poorer. Big market teams will be able to sign all the best free agents and the other teams will have to pick off the scrap pile.
We'll never see big name free agents go to a organization like Ottawa, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Nashville and etc. These players all want to go to original 6 teams or big glamorous cities.
Take the Rangers for example. One year they get Gaborik, the next they get Richards, and now they are the team Nash wants to go to. If the salary cap hadn't been increased to $70.2 million, there's no way in hell the Rangers would be able to fit in Nash's ridiculous $7,8 million cap hit.
If the salary cap wasn't $70.2 million, we wouldn't be hearing that Pittsburgh is the front runner to get Parise, or that Suter may be joining Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Keith and Seabrook in Chicago.
This is just getting ridiculous.
We have a lot of capable centers ...not sure how many other than Turris they would want mind you...and moving him would hurt
My phone keeps changing it to that...will try to fix it haha
To trade Bobby Ryan, the Ducks want a few pieces, including a 2nd line center.
Would they settle for Regin? Da Costa? Straight up for Zibanejad?
LOL - oh how I wish this was NHL12!
an hour after the announcemrnt he is standing in front of the ottawa media at scotiabank place on canada day-seems pretty committed to me
you all need to get behind me on this eric fehr thing, this dude can bring it, has size, and hands, plus he is 26.
latendresse on the 4th line????
are you nuts?
why yes you are
I suspect second line center is the starting point.
Zibby, weircoch, 2013 2nd maybe?
Not a chance that gets us Ryan. They'll get far better offers than that.
Konopka, he was a wild ride. I remember him saying, "When I shoot, I hit the net", unfortunately he only shot 3 times this year and couldn't win a fight to save his life.
In a short year or two, Foligno was going to get bumped down to the bottom 6, permanently. Glad to see him move on to a place where he has the chance to stay in the top 6.
zibby, condra, 2014 first
Stone on the top line?
Very nuts.
So by that rational, we should not want Alfredsson to come back this year because he is 39 and we should give that spot to a younger player.
When you are rebuilding you still need to insulate the young guys with a solid veteran presence and leadership. Doan is only 35 and can still produce. He is a heart and soul guy and would be a great compliment to the leadership group we have here already to help the young guys mature.
They don't have a choice, it's in the CBA. The salary cap is directly tied to revenue. The more money they make the higher the cap goes.
how is doan helping a rebuild?
he is taking a roster spot at 35 years old
we have enough vetrans-alfie, neil, phillips, gonchar
a rebuild is about developing youth and adding young players to the mix
i am telling you people, eric fehr is the answer
Well you're telling people the wrong answer.
And as far as asking how Doan helps a rebuild... well I already explained it to you. Read my post you just quoted.
The same Eric Fehr who had 3 points in 35 games last year? The same Eric Fehr who has never played close to an entire NHL season in his career? The Same Eric Fehr that had 2 shoulder surgeries this past season? That Eric Fehr?!
No thanks, we don't need to add his injury prone ass to a roster that already includes Latendresse and Regin.
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You are on a nice streak of saying idiotic things today. keep it up.
actually, don't
Ottawa should do whatever they can to get Ryan
Just a heads up that putting "#" in front of words works great on twitter, but not on the SC message board.
Not sure who's reporting...may be @Eklund , but Brian Burke couldn't be more emphatic in saying Toronto is NOT in on Nash. As you were...
Beahahahaha
ok sorry,im still new here.
#Why #not #?
And it was a copy-paste from twitter in the first place - hence the hash tags.
Haha the internet is big and takes years of practise, finding Senschirp was a good start.
All in good fun sir, the more the merrier
FWIW: My comment was more that people should have realized you didn't type out hash tags thinking they did anything on a blog, it was pretty clear to me that you were passing on something you saw on twitter - which is always welcome here.
To those saying that we lost toughness with the exits of Carkner and Konopka, it won't matter in the next few years when Borowiecki, Gryba, Wiercioch, and Zibanejad are all regulars. Boro, Gryba, and Mika ALWAYS finish their checks.
It's sad to see Carkner and Konopka go because they were great guys in the locker room. So was Foligno. But Mthot is from Ottawa and should fit in well and Latendresse wanted to play here so that is always a good sign. Lundin will be a good replacement for Carkner and hopefully he'll be in the press box less, if at all. He could be a good #6 guy.
Overall, with all the great prospects we have that will hopefully be regulars in a few years, these small moves are good because they don't rock the boat. If they work out, Bryan Murray won't be scrutinized like he has been recently on here, and he will look like a genius.
Most sad to see Foligno go because he was a good guy in the community - his wife was always willing to help too. He was one of those guys that I thought could be here for a long time, but alas, it was not to be. Maybe he can sign back one year as a 3rd line depth guy.
BTW, I have read SC for a long time now and barely post anything. This is a great group of Sens fans!
Like the signing of local boys but only if they can actually play
Not sure if Methot is good enough to fit in as Karlssons defence partner or not but after some quick research looks like he can bring a decent measure of toughness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76WBc532P8U&feature=related
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76WBc532P8U&feature=related
Would like to hear BM explanation/imp ression of yesterdays signings. He always seems to make me feel better about these things.
i copy and paste lots if i see things on twitter its way easier,i just come here to have fun and chat im a sens fan,everybody has different views on things but some on here jump on you if they don t agree,it doesn t mean i know nothing about hockey its just my point of view,but i have been a senschirp reader for awhile now i love his post and i finally joined,people need to relax and have fun.
No! Pse continue to post. The more Sens fans the better it is. Remember we are all part of the Sens Army.
We are still going to be playing countless games where the only goal we score is by a defenseman
Can't wait to see Greening and Michalek lace up for the top line again...
whats with the minus for post are we in school?so much negativity in here,we are suppost to be part of the sens army,but i wonder about some,thought it was suppost to be a site to chat about the sens not to put people down,some are very childish on here,and thanks zira i will keep posting,not gonna let some asses ruin it for me,there is some nice people on here.
Your POSTS didn't get better - you really need to start your own blog
Again - "which is always welcome here".
I was NOT trying to rip on you or anything. Please continue to post tidbits you find here for those that don't have twitter or missed them. Or post your opinions, thoughts, questions, recipes - whatever you like.
thanks hax i didn t mean you,thanks again
Sorry let me translate for you "fans"
Bryan Murray did an Excellent Job in improving the team
I have no concerns about the top line, I fell the same 3 players will be on that line all season long. No need for the revolving door of top line wingers anymore.
The new Guys that Bryan brought in are HUGE impact players..
GEEeyoedswemmme LAa tomdgsh DRess is an excellent player who played a whoppping 26 NHL games since 2010
the guy is ready to win a cup
I feel with Michaleks awesome play in the second half of the season / and playoffs we are now good to go
BRING ON LORD STANLEY
Cant wait to see Greening finally hoist a cup, the guy earned it..
(UPDATE) 1:45 I heard sid the kid is trying to convince Greening to go to Pittsburgh. If not he will settle for michalek
I say no, we need those guys on the top line, you saw how good they were down the stretch
one step forward, two steps back
at the end of the day we are still the same team as last year
Living on a prayer that Jason Spezza will Resurrect a lousy wingers career, or jump start a noob winger that doesnt deserve to be there
that seems to be working all these years since we lost Heatley
Didn't you see the sign? NO FUN ALLOWED. If you want fun go to another site. #redtube
ZZR isn't happy unless he's bitching about something. Guy has issues.
What are we supposed to do? Nash doesn't want to come here, apparently Parise doesn't either. Who would you target as a top line winger and what makes you so sure it would happen?
I'm sure Murray's doing the best he can. We all know Greening isn't a top six forward. We all know Michalek isn't a #1 winger on a top team. But where are we going to find one?
I don't know, that has been Murray's job for the last what.. 6 years?
It wasn's Greening, Butler, foligno, filatov, kovalev, cheechoo, michalek, alfie, Neil ETC.
So among all the guessing and gambling surely he could have found a good fit for Jason
blah
With all due respect to Zibanejad and Regin, I feel it would throw off our scoring balance.
I expect Turris to have a big year with a full training camp and season.
Can't find one? Then you make one, and develop one. They tried it with Foligno, and it didn't pan out. So, we'll try again with Greening or Stone or Silfverberg.
Give MZ some time, and let HIM grow into that top 6 role.
He's skilled enough to be there.
Sarcasm about the same negative comment is not an improvment.
WE ALL KNOW YOUR OPINION AROUND MM9 AND NEEDING AN IMPROVED TOP LINE.
Please do not post on this topic again unless there are some developments in that area.
You are becomming predictable and boring.
I really don't think it's been from a lack of trying. Star players rarely become available for trade, and the ones that hit to free agent market obviously have no interest in coming here.
Signing a guy yesterday, who has only played 1 full season in his whole career since 2006. Who thinks he is gona be in our top 6 is just asking for conflict
The dude played 26 games in the last 2 seasons, he is so not ready to be a top 6, and he will likely be all pissy when he doesnt get the ice time he thinks he is about to "earn"
We waste full seasons on these gambles sometimes and it just adds drama to the dressing room
FREEBIRD
Doan absolutely does not suck.
How can you say Doan sucks? he's still a very good power forward. He would be a great addition to the Sens regardless of his age. The fact he's able to put up good numbers on a defensive minded Phoenix team with the linemates he's had is very impressive. He's been such a big part of why that team has been competitive over the last few years.
Shut up with your freebird.
Microwave!
He's been around a young rebuilding team since the Jets became the Yotes and he's been through all the hard work and issues that club has faced and continues to face. I think any team would love to have the heart and determination Doan brings year in and year out. Add to that he's missed only in 33 games in his last 13 seasons, this guy is a work horse with little to no injury issues. To say he's too old is blasphemy. I would have no problem with a 2 year deal if Ottawa offered him that and he accepted. Just as long as it's not a 9 Mil like Ray Whitney.
Based on how some of the signings have went, it was smart for Ottawa not to sign any big names on day 1, or they would have grossly overpaid, like a few other teams.
LEAFS SUCK!
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All in all, I do think the Senators improved today.
As has been stated previously, whether it's Lundin or one of your farm prospects like Borowiecki or Gryba, that's your #6 guy to play with Phillips. Considering that this was a slot that was previously occupied by Brian Lee, Matt Gilroy, and Matt Carkner, I have hard time seeing this as anything worse than a sideways move, if not an improvement.
On the subject of Carkner, he only played 79 games over the past 2 years. It's not like he was setting the world on fire or anything. NYI overpaid for him, but they needed a player like him. Ottawa's game isn't really cohesive with Carkner's game anymore. This loss won't be felt hard. As for Lee and Gilroy...well.. .again, at worst it's a sideways move since the two of them were barely NHL caliber anyways.
Adding Methot (a guy who incidentally is only an inch shorter and 5 pounds lighter than Carkner, for the record), is a positive move. Let's say he's the replacement for Kuba. Kuba was an absolute trainwreck in the two years prior to last year. Methot is 10 years younger, you've got him for 3 more years at less money per than Kuba is costing Florida, and there's absolutely no reason to imagine that Kuba will be able to maintain his high level of play in Florida. After all, it's not like he's going to benefit from playing alongside the reigning Norris winner in Florida. Methot, on the other hand, is capable of playing 20+ nightly. He won't see PP time, but he's defensively responsible and he's big. Can't say that he's the ideal partner for Karlsson, that might still be coming this summer, but if he slots in next to Karlsson, you could definitely do a lot worse (see: Filip Kuba).
Continued....
So, defensively speaking, Ottawa improved today. Perhaps not by leaps and bounds, but positive steps were taken. You have to imagine that Karlsson, Methot, and Cowen will take huge steps forward this season, and whomever occupies the #6 spot is going to be young enough to improve throughout the season. Hopefully Phillips and Gonchar can at least maintain last season's performance level. I'm betting the overall GAA of the team drops.
On offense, I want to start with Konopka. Seriously, people are upset about losing Zenon Konopka? Don't get me wrong, he's a great guy, but he was your 4th line centre AND he missed about 30 games last year (and most of those were probably healthy scratches). Ask yourself this, what young player are you going to bench or demote to the minors in order to give Konopka a spot in your lineup? You've got some very capable guys who could fill that 4th line spot, and nearly all of them can skate better than Konopka, they've all got better hands than Konopka, and most of them can probably fight better than Konopka (just because he's WILLING to fight, doesn't mean he's any good, most of his fights were bear hugs or Zenon trying to break the other guys knuckles by letting himself get punched in the face). I personally think you've probably got a solid 3rd line C spot for a Swedish rookie next year, so I'd put Zack Smith on line 4. You wouldn't scratch Smith for Konopka, would you? Addition by subtraction.
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As for Latendresse...w ell, yeah, that's a gamble. But it's a cost effective and term friendly one. Let's say he comes out and sucks. Fine, you demote him to the AHL/scratch him/put him on a bottom line. Your team has the prospect depth on the wings to cover for that. Now let's say he comes out in good shape and plays really well. Let's say he hits 20 goals. Well, that's 3 better than Foligno's best season. Now, he hasn't played a lot because he's been hurt. However, this was not a series of injuries. He had a major groin problem that made him miss most of last year, and he had a couple of concussions that made him most of this past year. The player doesn't seem to have a history of injuries, he seems to have had a couple of big ones that put him on injured reserve. That's why they gave him the physical BEFORE signing him. He's obviously cleared for playing again. The groin hasn't been a problem for a couple years so clearly the surgery worked, and as long as he's passed his concussion testing and he's all healed up, there's no reason to think he's going to struggle with concussions going forward. But, if he comes out and scores 20, you're not going to hate the signing. He costs less than Foligno, he's got a higher ceiling than Foligno, and if he stinks the joint out, you don't resign him.
Fans gotta remember, you're still into a rebuild here, and these moves are part of it. You lost 3 old guys and 1 young guy today and brought 3 young guys back. This frees up at least one spot in the lineup for this deep prospect pool of yours.
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Zibby-Peterssen -Wiorcioch as an example for Ryan(keep our 1st round picks). This is just an example maybe not the 3 guys I'd offer. No use spending 5 million/yr on Doan just to appease the whiners. Let's go young or not at all. If we're to make it to the minimum Cap get another D-Man(for 5 Million if we have too). Up front, our young guys, if we stay pat will be fun to watch.
Sounds like you're complaining about their complaining. #hypocracy
Now, the summer has yet to be completed, there's still tons of room for movement, but if your lineup at the start of next year was:
Michalek-Spezza -Silfverberg
Latendresse-Tur ris-Alfredsson
Greening-Zibane jad-Neil
O'Brien-Smith-C ondra
With:
Karlsson-Methot
Cowen-Gonchar
Phillips-Lundin
And:
Anderson-Bishop
Would you be all that concerned? I, for one, wouldn't be. It's a good hard working lineup with a lot of youth and good scorers. The defense still looks suspect, but again, 4 young guys with another year of development under their belts. They aren't going to get any worse. You're only fear on D in my mind is if Phillips and Gonchar regress. Even if Anderson starts to stink the joint out, you've got two blue-chippers to hand the reins to.
Your team improved today. Sorry for being long winded, but I can't believe tears are being shed for the guys that went to free agency, ALL of whom got completely overpaid and signed to terms that make no sense.
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Sorry that was a long one... but interesting to read from a third-party.
By the way... Greening scored 17 goals last season -- with 10 less overall points than Foligno who had 15 goals.
Greening was in his first full season in the NHL.. I don't think that was a bad year. No he is not top 3 material... but he is a decent player.
Tks for sharing. Good post from a fan of a NE Div rival. Also a pretty good lineup for starters to this season.
It was a good read. After going back and reading much of the posts that took place since the weekend, a good core of fans have already mentioned almost every point that fan made. As a club, Ottawa didn't get worse if anything it's a lateral shift with a younger core. And they did exactly what most of you wanted from the start, kept prospects, filled a few holes short term still allowing room for our young guys if they are ready for the jump. On top of that we reduced our overall salary cap. Sure, now we have to spend more to reach the cap floor, but that just leaves the door open for something else.
Agree 100% although if we wouldve got parise that would be one hell of a lineup but i guess the price was waaaayy to steep. And besides the 2013 free agent list looks alot better.
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@Eklund. Sorry pal. Just talked to Dale Tallon and he says nothing has changed. Still talking with Van. Nothing imminent. High price.
LMFAO - Dreger trying to put Eklund in his place. Love it!
Sounds like you don't know the meaning of the word.
#googleisyourfr iend
great post.
On the Greening part. if he can become more consistent, then 20g isnt out of the question for him. He is the type of player you just hope to show up in the POs. Huge body, strength, speed, just needs to crash the net more.
Looking arround twitter i see team orange (zibanejad, prince, kramer, fransoo, cowick) and zibanejad scored the tournament winner.
hope to find footage or info on how they performed.
Team certainly got better. Better assets on D, and a really big winger with 20-30 goal potential.
The team is in a re-build and has all the prospects it needs to fill the voids. Now it just needs the time to allow those prospects to become experienced NHL assets.
If Daniel is back next year, the team should still thrive and improve. If not, it's a whole diff. ballgame. It's much easier for prospects to shine and grow confident playing around Alfie. He makes everyone better.
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Kyle Turris ($1.400m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
Peter Regin ($0.800m) / Mika Zibanejad ($1.744m) / Guillaume Latendresse ($2.000m)
Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
DEFENSEMEN
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Mike Lundin ($1.150m)
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Ben Bishop ($0.650m)
ryan is already proven to be that guy and he can score, no disrespect to zibby i love his style and game, but bobby ryan would improve the team more than zibby.
and i love all the moves bryan made yesterday great low price guys that can be gamebreakers on any givin night
I missed anything on it that might have been posted yesterday.
I'm assuming part or all of it is games played?
No i do. It's the spelling that's terrible.
#requiresspellcheck
He may never be that top line player but he is going to be special. He seems to always be in the right place at the right time.
OT game winner vs boston last year (i believe that was pre season though)
WJC gold winning goal
OT goal in the relegation tournament in SEL
game winner in today's 3 on 3 tournament
the only other clutch player in ottawa will be retiring as soon as this coming season.
From what I heard it's based on the number of days he can go without consuming poutine.
Source: Darren Dreger - TSN
Guess anyone on the Hudler train can park that idea.
The only reasoning I can see, is that BM realizes he has about 4 offensive prospects who could help contribute this year, so perhaps he wants to open up more spots for them to weed out who is top 6 vs bottom 6 skill level. Then re-add the toughness either at the trade deadline (if the season is going well) or next summer to round out our cup contending team.
It's really tough to watch all those fan favorites leave, but I think the pieces signed and coming up the ranks should be able to help fill those needs.
Thanks for giving your all every shift Carkner, Konopka and Foligno and hope they all have great seasons with their new teams next year!
Let's just hope Methot can actually keep up with Karlsson!
GO SENS GO!!!
Whatever... its not like anyone on tv is any better than eklund. Its all just speculation.
When have they ever gotten trades right ? Sure they break a trade 20 minutes before it goes public but trade deadline is a joke. Still waiting to see nash to new york or parise to LA. Where were they on ribeiro trade?
Television media is just as bad as eklund. The pick the most likely players and link them to the most likely teams, but then something like Foligno for Methot happens and they were nowhere to be seen
Extra roster spots will be for players that graduated.. (Silfverberg Stone Zibanejad Borcop)
I wonder how Flames fans will feel about losing Iginla next off season. There's no way Iggy should resign with that organization. He's been one of the premier players in the league for the past decade. The man deserves a cup before he retires.
No it's very funny. I like joe Eklund responded to Dreger's Hudler signing tweet with "are you sure about that buddy"? Like he has any credibility left.
that team is now the official laughing stock of canada and contenders for the worst run organization in the league. The leafs of the west. will battle all year to end up 9th-12th in the confrence. and flames have almost no assets worth trading and no prospects.
their team motto should be No winning for Mackinnon. or they better hope that jankowski kid is the next great thing that can single handedly beat the oilers.
Honestly, the Flames should have started their rebuild years ago. They have absolutely no idea what they're doing. Sutter must've been real happy after winning the Cup with the Kings.
No prospects. No depth. No Cup in the near future.
I feel kind of bad for Iggy and Kipper.
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
I feel so badly for Flames fans. I have no idea what this management is doing. They already have Tanguay, Iginla, Cammalleri, Baertschi, Stempniak, Glencross in their top 9 and only have Stajan and Backlund at centre, but they go and splurge on another winger. I know some sites have Hudler listed at centre but the guy took 7 faceoffs last year... Maybe their banking on Mark Nieuwendyke Jr Jankowski to make the team out of camp...?
I'm pretty sure the cap floor is expected to go up to 54 million with the ceiling at 70. Right now our payroll is just under 50 million.
Ah! Terrific. Somebody included Borocop. I hope they find a spot for Boro as well but that will be four rookies in the lineup so don't know if that will go over so well. Boro, Gryba and Wiercoch have been patient and deserve a shot IMO.
Could be a great year for Zack Smith to regain some of that leadership role with a more physical game on the ice.
I think most of us expect Borowiecki to make the Sens this season. Who are the other 3 rookies you are expecting to make the big club? Stone, Silfverberg and Zibanejad? There definitely isn't room for all three of them, most likely just one of them and that will probably be Silfverberg.
I expect Zibby and Stone to start the season in Bingo.
Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Stone, Noesen, Prince, Puempel, Pageau, Petersson, Ceci, Borowiecki, Weircioch, Gryba, Lehner and Bishop, not to mention that Cowen and Turris are only going to get much better.
Oh yeah and how bout that Norris Trophy winner Erik Karlsson, he's not so bad either and he's likely not done developing.
Nothing wrong with being a Budget Team until the new NHLPA contract is signed.
Don't forget O'Brien and Condra though. But I do like the look of that lineup if all those players are at least performing decently.
Cap Floor : 54.1 million
Sens Cap : 54.5 million
Thats why murray would rather move depth players like Condra Obrien Daugavins or get Daugavins and Obrien on 2 ways ..
FORWARDS
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Mark Stone ($0.873m)
Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m) / Kyle Turris ($1.400m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
Mika Zibanejad ($1.744m) / Peter Regin ($0.800m) / Guillaume Latendresse ($2.000m)
Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
Erik Condra ($0.625m) / Jim O'Brien ($0.750m) / Kaspars Daugavins ($0.800m)
DEFENSEMEN
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Mike Lundin ($1.150m)
Mark Borowiecki ($0.610m) /
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Ben Bishop ($0.650m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $54,563,333; BONUSES: $2,320,000
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $15,636,667
I was only referencing someone else who suggested Zbad, Silfverberg and Stone all get a spot. I agree that is too many rookies and why we have the BSens in the farm. But it should be a very interesting training camp this year. B.Murray also very high on Ceci making a splash a camp as well. When you think about it BSens should have a good team this year as well although Ceci will prob go back to the 67's.
I don't think Howard is good enough behind a D that will not be as stellar as last year. Their backup is Jonas Gustavsson...
That could be one team taking a little step back. Still good on the forwards only losing Hudler by gaining Tootoo? Not the type of signing I would think of for Detroit.
They haven't lost much up front except
You actually have to get keep some of those depth players.. they play on the PK -- especially Condra.
You also included 15 forwards in your cap list.. I don't think they carry that many.
That's assuming Borowiecki, Zibanejad, Silfverberg, and Stone all make the team, and we resign Daugavins and O'Brien.
Not all four of those rookies will make the full time roster next year Daugavins likely won't be resigned.
As of right now we have $49,935,833 committed to 11 forwards, 6 defenseman, and 2 goalies.
Your roster assumes we're carrying 15 forwards, 7 defenseman and 2 goalies, and you didn't include Butler who is sadly still on a one way contract.
Milan Michalek - Jason Spezza - Jakub Silfverberg
Gullium Latendress - Kyle Turris - Daniel Alfredsson
Mika Zibanejad - Zack Smith - Chris Neil
Colin Greening - Peter Regin - Erik Condra
Extra: Bobby Butler
Marc Methot - Erik Karlsson
Jared Cowen - Sergei Gonchar
Chris Phillips - Mike Lundin
Extra: Mark Borowiecki, Eric Gryba & Patrick Weircoich
Craig Anderson
Ben Bishop
I think we need more forward depth! i know we have possibly Pumpel and Noesen trying tocrack the line up, but we need to drop michalek on the second line!
I think Babcock's team handles The Monster better than the Leafs. Isn't Osgood a part of the goalie team right now? My thoughts are that Howard gets even better this year.
Biggest question mark on the Wings is the D, but the forwards are also getting a bit older as well.. However, they do have guys coming up from the AHL who are ready to take the next step and Filppula had a break out year last year...
"As of right now with we have $49,935,833" Your right then you add Silfverberg 900.000 and Obrien 800,000...( Butler is included lol)
$70,200,000 Cap ceiling
$51,635,833 Sens current cap
$1,175,000 Bonuses
$18,564,167 Reminder
Cap floor 54.1
Sens cap 51.6
Murray would rather trade depth for depth ...Salary could be made up with Zibanejads cap hit 1.7million
The opened the vaults for Karlsson because they had to but anyone else looking for a raise was shown the door and anyone on the way in was cheap. Lots of room left for guys in the system coming in on ELC's.
And now Murray says he's done and ... oh look, we're sitting just above the cap floor.
I understand all that but if Zibanejad isn't ready to play full time in the NHL they aren't going to risk hurting his development just to reach the cap floor. If Zibby is ready to go then they'll likely be able to reach the cap floor.
I can't see the organization rushing along any of our prospects. I just don't think Murray's done. There's still 3 months before opening night and I still think he'll add a top 6 forward one way or another.
Just my opinion.
Added the extra 3 guys if they make the Sens ..Stone Silfverberg Zibanejad ..
Sorry too inform you not to be rude but Condra Sucks and his cap hit makes him the first too go ..625,000
They dont need to rush him I agree with you but with Zibanejads cap or without they still hit the floor with adding Silfverberg and Obrien
I think Murray will have a hard time convincing Maclean to let Zibanejad go to the AHL.. when it sounds like Maclean wanted him to stay last year
They don't make the cap floor by only adding Silfverberg and O'Brien's contracts.
This is how the roster would break down if we carry 13 forwards, 7 defensemen, and 2 goalies, not including Zibanejad and Stone's contracts. We'd still be around 2 million below the cap.
FORWARDS
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m)
Guillaume Latendresse ($2.000m) / Kyle Turris ($1.400m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
Peter Regin ($0.800m) / Jim O'Brien ($0.735m) / Erik Condra ($0.625m)
Bobby Butler ($1.050m)
DEFENSEMEN
Erik Karlsson ($6.500m) / Marc Methot ($3.000m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Mark Borowiecki ($0.610m)
Mike Lundin ($1.150m) /
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Ben Bishop ($0.650m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $52,180,833; BONUSES: $1,175,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $18,019,167
Would you really have wanted Murray to give Carkner a 3 yr deal @ 1.5M a season? Or Kuba 4M a season for 2 yrs.. Or Konopka 925K a season for 2 yrs.. considering the prospects coming. I don't think I would have wanted that.
Nik Kronwall is one of the most underrated d-men in the league, he's a really solid #1. Brendan Smith is an amazing prospect who will play his full rookie season this year. Even as a rookie, he will have an impact. He played in Wisconsin with Schultz and Gardiner and actually outscored both of them over his college career. He is physical, strong both ends, total package. Gonna be awesome. If Wings don't get Suter, they will probably be in a dog fight for 8th in the West this year but as guys like Smith and Kindl get some experience, they will okay. and, if they don't sign Suter, they still have plenty of cap space for next years crop of d-men.
sorry, couldnt resist the Wings talk, Sens rule!
Roughly dont forget Obrien is RFA he will likely get a raise might not be much but it will count ..
Im also a strong believer Condra is going to be a victim of are cap game or budget ..removing him and adding Stone(873k) Zibanejad(1.7) and Obrien (100k more) raise will get us over the floor ...
I wouldn't worry too much guys. We are going to have a good team next season, I'm sure of it. The forward crop looks promising. The D looks better defensively.
My only gripe would be I'm not convinced Methot is the perfect compliment for Karl, but only time will tell. I was thinking more along the lines of Matt Carle, but this is Free Agency. We can't really tell.
Go Sens Go!!
Where did u hear that plz no no no fehr we need a top 6 and that's not fehr
man, looks like all our divisional rivals added some instigators. Hope methot cowen borocop teach them a lesson to not touch karlsson.
Methot is under contract for 3 more season and he's only 27. It's not a stretch to imagine the he may be a part of the organization for a while, and somewhere down the line he may be partnered with Ceci.
I'd be shocked if Ceci made the Sens this season. Anything is possible, and I think Ceci is going to be an awesome player for us, but I don't think he'll make the big club this season with Karlsson, Gonchar, Phillips, Methot, and Lundin all on one way contracts, Cowen on a 2-way but an obvious lock for the team, and Borowiecki expected to make a strong push.
Again, anything is possible and I'm not selling Ceci short, but there isn't much room for him this upcoming season.
Ouch
seriously the hockey iq on this board has gone way down this year
just because you are a "regular" around here does not mean you know what you are talking about, it just means you have alot of free time and like to type
The biggest question mark in Buffalo was their team toughness. They certainly aren't lacking in the skill department, but they got pushed around big time this season, and it became very clear when Lucic ran Miller that they needed to address team toughness.
Adding Ott, Pardy, and Scott definitely addresses that need, but now they look really weak down the middle with Hodgeson, Gerbe, Ennis, and now Ott. I really don't see any of those guys being able to step up and replace Derek Roy.
I think you need to check your own hockey iq before you start questioning other peoples. Your the guy that has been slobbin on Fehr's nob all day and just because Murray said Methot may be partnered with an offensive minded dman like Karlsson or Ceci in the future means that Ceci will make the NHL this year lol funny guy
Yep you are one of them
Ceci will be on the team
based on what?
no one is insulting you, no need to be a d*ck thinking you are smarter than everyone.
ceci was drafted 15th, 9th Dman in the draft. for the past few years we have been all about not rushin Dmen. we took our time with karlsson (even though many thought he was rushed in a year too early, dont think anyone argues that anymore). took 2 years with cowen. on top of this, Dmen take much longer to develope properly.
we didnt even allow zibanejad to be rushed in, even though PM thought he was ready.
please elaborate on why we will rush ceci?
What I would have liked isn't the point. I'm just analyzing the team's moves and trying to figure out Murray's motivation for making them.
Did the team suddenly lose interest in what Kuba, Carkner and Foligno bring to the table? All had successful seasons in their own way. The Sens aren't a team up against the cap, on the contrary they have room to retain guys they've invested in. So I'm left wondering why they let them all go. My take is Murray's been told to spend minimum bucks possible. What's your explanation?
New #Sens jersey numbers for this season: Marc Methot will wear number 3, while Guillaume Latendresse will wear number 73 #JerseyWatch
Karlsson needed time to learn the north american game and get physically stonger before he came into the nhl
do you really think Ceci needs this?
c'mon guys try not to be followers all the time.
don't let the guys that post on here constantly bully you into thinking they are right all the time
cowen was drafted at 6'5 220lbs. whats your point?
I swear one of you guys post, and then you all chime in because you never question each other
blogs go down hill when a clique of sheep take over
Lighten up dude. It's just kind of received wisdom that d-men benefit from some extra seasoning on the farm. Is it true always? No, just most of the time.
The decision on Ceci may have to do more with how many other rookies crack the lineup this season. Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Stone etc.
Ceci is a mobile offensive d-man
Cowen needed time on the farm to learn his skill set, Ceci already has it and will learn more by being in the nhl
Take a look atthe big picture, and for the love of god watch junior hockey as much as you watch nhl
or do not comment
Good for you.....
You sound realllllly smart
But it's great that we can talk about how good our prospects are
And arguments are immediately lost when one resorts to name calling.
If you want to defend your position by explaining yourself like an adult, I'm all "eyes".
Edit: just noticed your reply.
It's pretty simple actually. They wanted to keep Carkner but he wouldn't accept a short term deal. They only wanted him on a short term deal because we have up and coming D prospects and locking into Carkner for more than a year would hinder bringing up "NHL ready" prospects.
Kuba? you have to be kidding? A year ago everyone wanted him gone....before that a lot of the fan base was confused about extending him after he was traded here. Yes, he had a good season last year....but he's 35, doesn't set the world on fire and somehow always manages to have a good season in a contract year. Sorry, I won't miss him.
have a nice day :)
How is it no logic what if the kid shows he's ready and he's the beat one at camp he gets 9 games and strives u deny him because it's his first year You have no iq so just chill out everyone has there point of view
Foligno....It's hard to see him go, it feels like he's been here forever but let's be honest. He's had a lot of chances to crack the Top 6 and never manages to be consistent enough to stay. He's an RFA who put up what ?47? points last year...which is good, but also means he's looking for a pay increase. With guys like Silfverberg, Prince, Noeson, Stone and Zib waiting in the wings, Foligno became expendable. My guess is management would rather give Foligno's ice time to one or two of these prospects and further their development rather than be forced to hold one or two of them back.
Foligno's inconsistency is what made him moveable for Murray. Hate to see him go and I hope he thrives in Columbus....but right now and in the near future he doesn't factor into Ottawa's system and was simply filling a roster spot.
So not true...
but anyway, good riddance lol. Why is everyone so emotional these days. Ive never before on this site seen so many people whining about being bullied by their opinions. People are always going to have different views lol. when someone disagrees with you they are not bulling you. If you cant handle it then go to the disney blogs you bunch of babies
ok if you are so wise. Lets make a wager like tookie had to. Ceci makes the team and ill change my name to ___________ ceci doesnt make the team. you have to.
But, doesn't one have to have a name first?
that is true, i just didnt bother thinking of a clever name because i know he will not accept the challenge. As many posts above are probably convincing him Ceci will not make the team for 2 reasons: development time and available spot on roster.
Dead on, The Sens have no need to rush Ceci into the NHL...they have a number of D prospects that look like the have a shot at making the jump and unless Ceci is getting decen D4 or D5 minutes then he (and the Sens) would be better off leaving him in Junior or the AHL. I think our D-corps will essentially be Karlsson, Methot, Cowen, Gonchar, Phillips, Boro........... .Unless Murray moves Gonchar (I heard on the Team1260 (edmonton)) that the oil are potentially looking to bring in a veteran Russian to help mentor some of the young Russians (Yakupov) in their system......... Not saying I buy it, but it was interesting to hear none the less.
I hate to say it, we're pretty much guaranteed to be stuck with Gonchar, for this season. As others on here have been trying to figure out a way to get the team to hit the cap FLOOR with what we have in the system right now, I doubt we can dump $5.5mil in Gonchar. Unless we're taking back a contract like Hemsky's. But we have no need for Hemsky.
I doubt any prospect at the development camp makes the Sens this yr out of training camp with the exception of maybe Boroweicki. There are too many players on one way contracts & only Silfverberg should make the team out of camp based on what he did in the SEL last yr.
With so much excitment about this team after last yr's playoff run, July 1 has really put a damper on the excitement & the trade leaves us mistified. This franchise has a habit of shooting itself in the foot & killing enthousiasm for the team & they did it again. For a minute I thought Jacques Martin was running the team after the toughness was shipped out of town. If this team does not get off to a good start they will be calling for Murrays head again.
I think that BM is wise enough to know the rebuild is still in full effect.
Both Carkner and Kuba were ridiculously over paid. It didn't make sense to retain their services given how much they were paid on the open market.
I know a lot of us were hoping for a bigger splash yesterday, but look at the stupid contracts that were handed out. I;m happy Murray didn't over pay for Hudler or Parenteau or whoever else was available. Those players are going to have a really tough time living up to their contracts.
At the end of the day, this is still a rebuild, and everyone needs to keep realistic expectations going into next season.
Great point I guess we will see what happens so stoked for training camp
Foligno brought us the top-4 D-man we so desperately needed. I'd say yesterday was a success. Now BM can use his assets to make a trade for a top-6 forward
a-put words in your mouth
B-only half quote you to completely change the context of what you say
C-seem unable to understand that I would have preferred internally filling the spots than signing the two players we did....apparent ly this means I think we should go for the cup
Uggg why do I post anywhere other than here lol
Move heard people decide it means I wanted to keep Kuba/carkner/ko nopka...which I not once have said...unreal
End rant
I wish Murray would trade him to Edmonton I would take hemsky that's a top 6 man IMO but great points about cici
I think Methot is an upgrade in Kuba.
Latendresse is a better and cheaper then Foligno,
Lundin is better than Gilroy and Carkner combined.
We definitely got better but not good enough in my opinion.
If Parise is available and the only thing holding us back from acquiring him is the asking price then I can't help but think we have hit a new low with Mr Eugene Melnyk. He used to always say he'll do what ever in order to have a winning team.if thats the case then why not throw the bank at the best free agent available when you have 20million in cap space??
This actually really bothers me. I hate being a budget team.
What I hope is happening is Bryan Murray has a plan to acquire a different 'high priced free agent' such as Shea Webber or a different forward in the next year or two.
Who knows if this is actually the case but if the team stays the way it is, next season will go one of two ways...
1) More players have coming out seasons and team stays relatively healthy (Turris, Cowen, Latendresse, Regin) and we finish in a similar spot to last year.
2) Key players get injured and new crop of rookies can't step up in the NHL. If this happens I expect us to be in the lottery
Could be another exciting year or could be an awful one
This toughness argument is getting old. We lost two players who spent as much time (if not more) in the press box as they did on the bench. Cowen is no slouch when it comes to physicality...w e still have Neil, we still have Smith, Methot isn't a wall flower and oh yeah Boro can throw too. The way I look at it, Murray removed 2 part time gritty players in Carkner and Konopka and we have replaced them with Methot and likely Boro...at least one of which will be a full time Top4 D. I do not think for a second that we are going to notice a difference in how hard this team plays or how hard they hit and certainly won't have any issues having guys stand up for one another.
I think Murray is still going to try and add a Top 6 winger - be it on a 2 or 3 year term - and no, it likely won't be a guy with grit. This is something that I think is almost essential, given that I do not see Michalek matching his career year of last season.
I totally agree.....just thought I would throw in what I heard on the radio here in Edmonton.
Yeah and being a cap team means spending 70 MILLION Dollars. We are a Canadian market but still a small market and I think spending 70million without knowing you are going to make the playoffs is a recipe for disaster for a small market. Eugene made the comments you are holding him to when the cap was in the low to mid 50's. Without playoff revenue, it's a losing venture (financially).
This cap nonsense has gotten out of control and should never have gone above 60 million. Every time the damn cap increases so does the floor. The floor is now at what....around what the CAP was coming out of the lockout! Ridiculous!!
But the flames oh man I lived in Calgary some of the best hockey fans I've ever met.
( and second only to Vancouver when it comes to women ;) )
Anyways, Wideman then Hudler ouch!
Feaster is clearly delusional just read this quote;
In 409 career games, all with Detroit, he had 87 goals and 214 points. He scored 25 goals and 50 points in 81 games for the Red Wings last season.
"He is one of the very best goal scorers in the NHL at even strength," said Flames general manager Jay Feaster.
Say Shea Webber goes to Poile and asks for a trade out of Nashville after Sutter signs elsewhere. Obviously everyone would agree he'd be great along side Karlsson as we would probably have the top 2 d-men in the world. The problem is the price to acquire him. It will obviously be steep.
Would you accept giving up something like Cowen, a 1st and other additional pieces??
I personally think it would be worth while giving up just about anything for him. Even if it was Cowen and Zibanejad. Yes Cowen will be amazing but you'd be replacing him with THE BEST!!
Spending 70M per year on your team salary is not even that much man.
NHL players are definitely not near the top for highest paid sports athletes. I think even golfers and ATP/WTA Tennis players make more money now? And unless you're Ovi or SId, good luck trying to get an endorsement contract as a hockey player.
I do agree though, that we don't NEED to spend to the max... at least not yet, not until we know we are contenders.
I would want Weber here over virtually any other dman in the league except Z (man i miss him) but the issue I would have with your scenario is that Weber is a UFA after the upcoming season and I wouldn't trade for him unless I knew Weber was going to be here long term.
So basically you are upset that Murray and co didn't over react to an overachieving season?
Man, do I wish we did what Buffalo did last year and spend, spend, spend!
I doubt he is that worried, people call for his head all of the time because there are a lot of impatient people out there who don't see the bigger picture.
10 games in last year there were people on ths site who were saying how the hiring of MacLean was a mistake.
The sens have a very over reactive fan base who often don't stand on the middle ground, everything is either magnificent or terrible and there are always more votes for terrible.
+ have been watching sequences from development camp - I will go on the record saying don't trade Zibby at all. He's a load with a hard shot. A freight train.
So far he was right about McClement to Toronto and Jokinen to Winnipeg, will Doan Ottawa be next?
I'd rather we play out this year developing our young guys and sign Weber as a UFA. It will be tough watching Alfie retire without a cup, but it's not going to happen for us this year. One year from now, we will have a good idea of what our prospects bring to the table and we can take a run at some big name UFA's to fill out our roster.
I hope they send Ceci back to he 67's for 1 more season. It will be very easy for the Sens to keep an eye on him, considering he will be playing out of the same building. They did that with Cowen and it made a big difference for him.
There is no need to rush him in. When Gonchar is gone after this next season.. then he probably will be ready to slide in.
We don't want to rush the kid.
Methot was in Columbus is career so far... and you know how well they develop young talent (sarcasm). He was good enough to play on Team Canada for the last 2 World Championships so he can't be that bad.
Konopka played 55 games for the Sens last year getting 5 pts and 193 penalty minutes...
Carkner played 29 games for the Sens last year getting 3 pts and 33 penalty minutes.
Neither one of them played 20 min a game.. like Methot and Lundin will... At least the D minutes will be spread out more..
It may take Karlsson a little while to adapt to a new partner.. it may end up being Cowen...
Now if Nash and his wife would not waive to come to Ottawa... do they actually think they would waive to go to Buffalo... who right now does not have a #1 centre?
But seriously ppl calling for Murray's head are just plain stupid.
Let's wait until the season starts, to see how all these moves turn out shall we?
Hate to burst your bubble a year ahead of time but... there's no way Weber ends up in Ottawa in a years time.
Is it bad im looking forward to the draft ..Hoping this team will surprise again but if not ..
How good would Sean Monahan be ...Future Spezza replacement
Cause if we cant spend Money what else is there too look forward too ....
We are barely at the cap floor now. Next year when Gonchar and Alfie leave and all we need to re sign are Neil, Turris and Z.Smith we will have an insane amount of cap space. Most likely in desperate need to spend some to get to the floor actually. We could go as far as making a pitch for both of them... Play in Canada for the gm who drafted you!
Mark Stone is probably the best guy to play with Spezza right now, a Pure goal scorer. It actually makes sense so you are nuts lol
Absolutely agree. I wonder what all the forums say about it. Too bad... I like to see all the Canadian teams succeed; except the damn Leafs of course.
I've put a lot of thought into what Murray did, and I like it. Ottawa still has a significant amount of team toughness. Those heart and soul guys are easy to find. Did like Konopka's faceoffs though.
defend Feaster as I live in Calgary and I'm still in shock that the ownership group has not blown the team up. However, 23 of Hudler's goals came at even strength which puts him in pretty good company as only Maljin and Stamkos scored over 30 even strength goals.
Ceci will play at Scotiabank place this year, but not as an Ottawa Senator
Zibby makes the team as a winger and could play with Spezza or Turris
Stone starts off in the AHL to get his skill set up at the NHL level. No need to rush him.
Silfverberg makes the team but might only start at a limited role.
Daugavins and O'Brien will be resigned but I think Murray might pull a 1 year deal 2 way contract for O'Brien, where Daugavins will want only a 1 way deal.
O'Brien to the AHL, Daugavins will play for the Sens mainly on the pk.
Michalek-Spezza-Zibenajed
Latendresse-Turris-Alfredsson
Neil-Regin-Silfverberg
Daugavins-Smith-Greening
Condra-Butler
Karlsson-Cowen
Gonchar-Methot
Phillips-Borocop
Lundin
Anderson
Bishop
That is what I believe the starting roster will look like for the Sens after camp is over baring any injuries that might happen.
Silfverberg on the 3rd line as it is perfect to get use to the NHL game, he brings speed to that checking line and he finishes his checks so he makes sense on a checking line to start with.
I think Murray will move Butler honestly at sometime before camp for a draft pick just to get rid of him as he is wasted space on our team, he never panned out to be that top end prospect. He was a free prospect as we signed him so getting a draft pick is basically turning nothing into something.
Condra is still a good PKer and a fast skater. We need him for depth. I think then carrying 1 extra forward and defenseman is acceptable.
you're so boring.
im a huge Foligno fan but there is no question, Latendresse ceiling is significantly higher. really going to depend on what he does for training this summer. hopefully, sens strength and conditioning puts a program in place that he actually follows. 1 year deals seem to have a tendancy to bring out the best in players.
FREEBIRD
And start my new campaign!!!!
Man did Murray ever screw up this weekend huge step back...
If we are going to play the Budget game then just play the youth!! I say toss all the young guys in and ride the wave of experience this year..
Trade guys like Regin Butler Condra Gonchar Alfredsson(if he wants) ..Even Latendresse if we can get a return !!
for picks next years draft is Stocked with talent ..
D+
Ya lets trade Latendresse 2 days after we sign him!
Oh and plz, I hate ppl who say trade Alfie only if he wants, well why do u even mention it if it's "only if he wants" it's clear stupid bitches like u want him traded so that u can get a good return. Like seriously just shut the fuck up
"only if he wants" is showing a man respect cleary u know nothing about ..Internet gangster lol ..Relax bud I fight guys like you,on my way too real fights ..tough guy lol
Only bitches say "like seriously" hahaha did u snap your fingers when you said it
Just a thought...
5-3-2-0 2.01 GAA .935 save % 1 shutout and you guys are not happy with his production...FO R A 20 YEAR OLD???? He is a Henrik Lundqvist breed of goalie and you want him gone. Anybody that wants him gone might as well jump on the leafs bandwagon because you dont know what talent is even if it bit you in the ass lol
He wants to play in the NHL full time and thinks he deserves it because he does. He is probably NHL ready but Ottawa does not need to rush him now with Bishop but he is going to be the best goalie ever in a Sens uniform. After Lehner is in the middle of his carrer you will be saying Patrick Lalime and Ron Tuggnut who were they?
13-22-0-1 3.26 GAA .907%
That is still pretty good for a team that struggled to stay in games some nights. People are hard on him some of you guys obviously not all but the ones that are get a grip seriously.
How did he screw up, we got a lot younger by getting rid of guys in their 30's for Methot, Latendresse and Lundin who are in their 20's. We trade Foligno and get Methot and sign Latendresse who basically is a better version of Foligno when healthy and he is healthy he passed the physical before he signed. So if you look at it, Foligno and Latendresse are basically the same age so we all in all we got an potential upgrade on a forward and Methot for free. Do not get at all how we lost today? Lundin is a depth move, I am sure they are hoping Borocop or Weirchoich can take a spot in the top 6 defense and if they cant Lundin has some experience to fill in the role.
My point was not so much to keep Konopka & Carkner but to add better players who are also tough like Allen, Penner & Gaustad. Latendresse is a big guy but I'm not sure how tough he is, I know Methot has good size & is tough. I wasn't dissapointed that we didn't add a big name, I never wanted one except maybe Nash. What I did want was more size & toughness on our defence & in our bottom six. I wanted a defenceman who could play & be a heavyweight enforcer like Carkner but who could play every shift like Allen. We'll see how these guys do next season, then we'll talk.
Ya right, keep telling yourselves that...
Everyone who is apparently happy with the moves likes to point out it is a rebuild so people shouldn't be stressing....um mm a rebuild is ideal to
A-get lots of experience for the kids
B-to a lesser degree sign a few assets you could move for decent picks
Latendresse has played roughly 30 games since 2010...take off the honer glasses and call a spade a spade...that is a massive risk, and to outright say he is better than Foligno (who is m not a big fan of) is crackheads talk...to say he has potential to be a better player if he can actually play 70+ games sure...ill give you that....but hey 30 games since 2010, ill believe it when I see it
Idont think the two signings will accomplish either of these...the trade made sense for our team and IMO shouldn't really be included in what people are upset about.
Q: what does a GM do?
Scenario: assuming "answers to owner" is in the job description, lets assume BM gets this question from EM: will getting x superstar at $8-$10 million a year right now bring us a legitimate shot at winning it all?
What's your answer, and defend it. My answer: even with a top 3 winger and top 2 defense, we are still several pieces from a cup run. The main piece is time. We have a very young team and frankly, I think everyone knows deep down that had the season been 5 games longer, we would have missed the playoffs.
Fan's are really impatient. Too many people are thinking short term... It's hard not to sometimes, but with these young kids, we have to wait. We're like what, 5 years removed from a SC Final? Murray is doing the right thing in developing this young squad... But at the end of the day, it's a long season, and every team has a chance to win.
Yeah people want to go out and sign big names but how many times has that paid off? Look at the Rangers, who FINALLY got to just the conference finals after so many years... Heck, even the Flyers. People want to praise Holmgren? Really? His team crashed out of the playoffs in epic fashion this past season... and just look at that team; Giroux, Briere, Schenn, Simmonds, etc.
I still think we could've gone far but that Game 6 loss has left a bitter taste in my mouth. I'm sure many felt the same way...
Murray is operating this team on a strict budget. I don't know how much more obvious it could be for some of you. Melnyk simply can't afford to spend 60-70 million dollars a year on this team, and that's just for player salaries, not including the entire team staff and team expenses.
There's no doubt in my mind that Bryan and company are doing the best they can with the Sens within their limits. I don't think any GM could do a better job in his position.