The current CBA is expires on September 15th
I always try to distance myself from this side of professional sports because to a neutral observer, it can be extremely frustrating. On the one side you have the "greedy owners" and on the other the "spoiled millionaire athletes". And the reality is a potential work stoppage hurts one group more than any other- the fans.
Now obviously it’s not that cut and dry and there really are important issues that need to be worked out but I think that’s how most hockey fans feel when they hear about the upcoming CBA talks. The NHL and NHLPA have put on a brave face when asked about the upcoming negotiations but considering the last work stoppage, analysts and fans have every reason to be skeptical.
Here’s hoping that both sides recognize that the game is obviously in an excellent spot right now.
Revenues are up, there is significant momentum in some large American markets and aside from the legitimate safety concerns some have, the on-ice product is as good as it’s ever been. I won’t be talking about this topic often because like I said, for fans, it’s not something we can do a whole lot about.
All we can do is countdown to the start of September training camps and opening night like we always do, and hope that the two sides can find some common ground in negotiations.
- The NHL announced the Hall of Fame class for 2012 and it includes Joe Sakic, Mats Sundin, Adam Oates and at long last, Pavel Bure. Three of the four guys entering the Hall this year have never won a Cup and when you look at some of the numbers and accomplishments, it certainly bodes well for Daniel Alfredsson's chances once he decided to hang ‘em up (many, many seasons from now).
- A couple weeks ago, I indicated that the Senators had sent an offer to UFA to be Matt Carkner. Still no word on that front and some have hinted that Carkner may have declined the offer. Considering Shane O’Brien just signed a three year deal at $2 mil a season, you have to think Carkner will be hoping for something similar. Think it’s important the Senators maintain that trademark toughness that became a big part of this team’s identity last season.
- Haven't mentioned Rick Nash in almost 24 hours so a quick update on that front. Sens are still in the mix (I can hear some of you rolling your eyes from here) but it looks like the Jackets are set on waiting till July 1st in hopes the market increases.
- Just finished watching the recap of Day 1 of the Ottawa Senators Development Camp and was amazed at just how big Cody Ceci is. Nearly 6’3 and pushing 215 pounds, Ceci is considered to be one of the most-NHL ready defenceman in 2012 Draft class. He’ll need to turn heads at camp but I certainly wouldn’t rule out Ceci getting a nine game audition and potentially more next season.
- For you Twitter folk, I’ve gone ahead and created a list of all current Senators players and prospects that use Twitter. I’ve been informed that the list is inaccessible from mobile devices but works fine other than that. You can access that list, here.
many on these boards feel Ottawa should offer him a 2 way deal and be our 7th dman, which is fair for us, but many also believe that Carkner would have no problem agreeing to that
Hard to believe that a team like Edmonton/Vancou ver or even Tampa or Washington couldn't find room for a player of his skill set
But yeah Alcatraz has a great point on the top 6 versus press box role.
I also wonder how the Neil extension might play into it - i.e. if Neil signs a longer deal with a bit lower cap hit.
As for the CBA - like most fans if they start the season on time I could care less who gets richer.
Completely agree.
I doubt Cark's takes a discount to stay. He didn't start making an NHL paycheque until age 28 and this is most likely his last chance to cash in and think about setting himself up for life after hockey. I wouldn't blame him for taking the best offer out there.
If we can't get Nash, Ryan, Kane or Parise (or someone else of equal skill) then we shouldn't bother getting anyone. We need someone to play with Spezza - not another middle six guy. If we can't get one this summer then we may as well start planning for the 13/14 season and see if Silfverberg, Stone, Noesen etc can lock down that spot before the next batch of UFAs.
I'm not against signing a second line guy but it would have to be to a solid contract (not too long or too big a cap hit). I don't want a repeat of the "let's pretend Kovalev replaces Heatley" fiasco (though I suspect Melnyk had a big hand in that).
Similar thing on D - if we can't get a guy who can play with Karlsson for the next several years then change focus to a second pairing guy signed to a good contract and target the 13/14 season to have another stud D (either internal or external).
Bottom line, if we had to go into next season with the exact team we have now (including RFAs coming back) that's fine by me. It would mean we're still rebuilding but in great shape. Signing Parise or Suter, getting Nash or Ryan without giving up too much etc - those are all unlikely but would put the rebuild in hyper-drive. They're not moves we HAVE to make.
Could be. But remember who gave him that first paycheck? Remember how publicly thankful he was to the Sens and Murray for giving him a shot? He basically said at the time that if hadn't been for Murray he's be toiling away in the minors still, or maybe even retired.
He's got to look out for #1 for sure, but there's room there for a small discount. Whether it works out we don't know of course and the press box versus playing every game thing is a big concern as well I'm sure, but I could see him coming back.
Would be too bad of course but in the grand scheme of things it's no great loss. It's not like he's the only guy we have that can protect other players.
You can't honestly believe that Carkner deserves the same money as Phillips or a million a year more than Neil?
Saw this rich guy parking his Benz so I walked up to him and said "Hey you're rich, why don't you just give me $1000 since you can afford it."
Shockingly he didn't see the logic.
pffft the nerve of that guy
Maybe carkner would prefer to make 2 million and actually play 3/3 of the games?
You know player dignity goes a long way and its such a foreign thought, but maybe Carkner being a UFA can actually turn down our wishes of him sitting in the press box unless we need him to run thug on someone
That is because you didn't protect any of his assets :)
In all seriousness, Apostle hit the nail on the head. Doubling a contract as a "thank you" is not the way to do it - even if we had won the cup thanks to Carkner. I'm okay with small perks for loyal players (like the Neil contract - matching the other offers) because if it does turn into a situation where another player puts their hand out you can say "Come back when you've put in the blood, sweat and tears Neiler has." But to reward Carkner for doing his job by overpaying him would be short-sighted.
I know Chris was mostly joking of course and not taking away anything from that epic moment when Carks filled Boyle in.
Losing Carkner would be bad though. Not even Neil can replace his intimidation factor. Not even close.
So if Carkner can get let's say 2mil a year as a UFA, I'd be fine offering him 1.5-1.75, but if someone wants to give him Mike Commodore money let him walk. He's been an awesome leader and team player and it would suck to see him leave, but it's been great to have him!
Agreed of course. We overpaid a bit for Neil as a reward for his service but not as much as some other teams would have. Same should go for Carks (I had similar numbers above).
@spezzerman - let me know when you finish reading my entire post (i.e. the part where I said I knew Chris was mostly joking).
Now I know some of these don't bring the grit Carkns does, but we need NHl bodies there especially if we are giving boro a shot
Campoli
Huskins
Vandemeer
Mottau
Eminger
Brookbank (similar to Carks)
Johnson (similar to Carks)
obviously likes of allen/carle/gar rison ahead of these guys but those are all top 4 void guys, im looking at #6 type guys, you can add coliaocova there as well
Yep, I read it. And thanks for explaining the obvious again for everyone. Appeciated. :)
Great idea and if you want other lists the Ottawa Senators twitter feed has lists of Ottawa media and NHL media, two other great lists to subscribe to
Not just that, I know it was 'just Gilroy' but Carks definitely outplayed him when given the chance.
Will do!
In all seriousness tho, I get the swagger he brings, but he had a hard time holding down a spot on our team last year. Only reason he played near end of year and in playoffs was because Gilroy is that bad
I'm sure we want him back, but the role and value we will want him back is going to be less than what the market will presumably pay.
I totally see a team paying him 5 mill over 3 years which is something we probably can't compete with. We can give him dollars now but I doubt we committ to term, espeially his style of play
It sounds as though Schultz news could break today or tomorrow...and I will be tracking this as well..Right now, I would give the slight advantage to Vancouver over Toronto...but it is slight...
thanks bob mckenzie twitter updates
thinks that it’s possible that the Blues look at Filip Kuba.
At Sens lunch, Dorion says team very interested in PA Parenteau if the price is right.
And the right price is???
Daniel Alfredsson chances once he decided
to hang ‘em up (many, many seasons from
now)."
Lol Chirp.
He'll be a free agent so it all comes down to $$$$ x time obviously.
67 points feeding Tavares last year he only made 1.25M. He'll be looking for a raise, that's for sure!
Excellent! I was hoping you'd be tweeting/postin g such an update!
So now I would assume that there are many mgmt groups meeting schultz's camp vs just the Vancouver, Edmonton and now Ottawa confirmed.
Chirp, Any idea how many other face to face meetings set for today and who?
I think bidding starts at 3.5 mill for him and the team that gets him will probably get it around 4 and who ever is willing to give 5 years
If David Jones can get 4mil x 4yrs, I'd imagine Parenteau could get more. I'd take him at 3-3.5mil per year for 2-3yrs, but not sure that'll be enough in such a weak UFA class.
If it helps sweeten the deal I will watch. And trust me I really don't want to. :(
Have to say I think you have hit the nail on the head on this one Alcatraz,
even scarier for us if Mtl or TO find room for him... that would be a nightmare!
I still hope we find a way to sign him, he belongs in a Sens uniform, and he makes all others around him play an inch taller and 10lbs heavier!!!
Not sure. Both Murrays made the trip, apparently.
that's the problem with you sweet, you aren't prepared to go that extra mile for the team - that's probably why you're still on a 2 way deal.
Bwahaga what a stupid idea...so you will limit ticket sales to people that live in Ottawa?
I agree with this. His numbers were comparable to Marty St Louis last year but without the supporting cast... yikes!
Sure it was just a one season sample, his first full NHL season, but this guy was good and is young.
I'd be delighted to get him on 4 years at 3.75M per, but I think it may take even more than that.
lol...I just spit my coffee all over my computer! You're so sick...;)
Anyone else feel like Montreal missed the boat on hiring Dorion as their GM?
Good for us clearly
Chirp? Rumblings??
referring to sweets handjob on Schultz?
Funny I did the same thing but said
"why dont you give me $1000 so I dont :)
Have got a couple cryptic messages today. I assume it's related to a meeting with Schultz in Toronto but I'll keep digging in case there is something more.
I'm pretty sure it would mostly be for ~6 games a year when certain assholes in blue and white or Habs unis invade...
I applaud Leeder for thinking of ideas here, but I don't see much we can do to help when many fans of those shit teams actually LIVE here and when so many season ticket holders clamour to sell their tickets away to these games.
Hope he thinks of something though, because I am due to be put in jail one of these years... So far so lucky!
LA-LA-LA-LA! LA-LA-LA-LA! LEEDER!!!!!!!!!
or the sens are actually paying chirp per comment made, and by leaking a tidbit like that they know we will all flock to this site to discus it and before you know its another thread at 500 comments and chirp gets richer and richer
Oh how I wish that were true!
sorry have to clear this up
meant to type
"why don't you give me $1000 so i dont steal it"
he dialed 911 and I ran :)
So damn true Rush, cant go with my kids... in fear they do something stupid.
Cant go with my buds in case I do something stupid
Best to watch at home... save the lawyer fees :)
Yep! This is why I hope we can think of *something* and it's not just up to Leeder, but it needs fan support to.
As things stand so far, it is nothing short of a terrible embarrassment these games, but for many people you really can't blame them for not wanting to go into that environment. It's a big of the chicken & the egg type ordeal, but getting this on corrective course would make me terribly happy.
Terribly!
hes making alex auld look like a vezina winner here
7runs 5 hits through 2 IP with 65 pitches
Chirp MUST fill us in as to what Dorion meant asap
Workin on it. Quite interesting if both Murrays are in fact at Development Camp. Guess they coulda hustled back?
30 min flight, met over lunch at noon. makes sense to me
*whistles*
Who if anyone would be going to see Schultz? You hate to pander the f**ker but send your best emissary to go make the franchise pitch in this case...
Even in the case of those pooh touchers from Southern Ontario they are saying if they are one of the teams seriously considered they are likely to send their red faced Irish GM over to chat with the other crew.
edit: hope you guys are right in that they are already back.
Sadly this is the biggest reason the barn is the wrong color on leaf nights. And hard to argue with people's right to do this - though I hope you feel just a tiny bit dirty when you do :)
They HAVE to look at ways to limit it but they'll never be able to turn it around completely. The only cure there is time for Sens Army to grow and want to "own" our barn more than laff fans want to take it over.
Damnit.
Yeah they definitely could have made it back from a morning or lunch meeting flying porter. I'll hold on to that hope...
Any gut predictions chirp...
A lot of bands do this nowadays with the VIP package idea, which is different but sort of the same, and aimed at combating scalpers by jacking up the price but including merch/shirts/po sters and stuff that the actual fans would want but the scalpers couldn't really unload.
Yeah but his agent countered and you are going to have to spit on it
ok, that just gross and taken way too far.. I am sorry :-(
I do Hax, but then i remember there is an 80% chance that im selling hyperinflated tickets to a Tor/Mtl fan.
I used to go to Mtl games but being outnumbered 5-1 (especially in the 300s) by drunk belligerent clueless fans is not very fun, considering that i can use the money made on food/booze and watch the game at home.
Pretty sure spit was always included in that deal.
NO ONE likes a dry handjob. That's just lazy and inconsiderate.. .
I'm sure leaf fans would find a way to work around it but it's a decent idea. Plus it actually helps the people who buy seasons and resell their leaf games to offset the cost.
lol
Hmm...
@Steve_Lloyd
If #Sens are going to Toronto for an in person pitch to Schultz, it's not today. B. Murray and T. Murray are both here at Development Camp.
Also would anybody like to see the Senators sign PA Parenteau?
Also. Dev camp guide is way off on Lehner. It says he's 6'4 241. He's actually a ripped 6'3, 205-210. Club is very happy. #Sens
From Tim's comments earlier this week it sounds like we were already in that elite group.
That would suggest possibly as soon as tomorrow that us + the other 2-4 suitors would be invited to actually talk to Schultz and make our pitch + offer. At that point the Wonder Twins would probably head up and do their pitch.
That or they flew there and back already today.
I like the idea of Door #1 though because it suggests they missed the luncheon for some other exciting reason. :)
Told ya! ;)
I would be scared as hell having Carkner in nets...
This was discussed at pretty good length up there: --------------^
4 years, 4 million per?
Ok...I started to moisturize...ho pefully the wife won't clue in.
FYI...I'm doing this for the team......(hope fully Nash saw my Craig's list ad..)
Going "skiing" I guess.... #multitasking
Bye, bye Bouwmeester. I bet he's gone within 48 hours.
Holy shit for what they gave up and signed him to $$ and term that is crazy! I wouldn't touch that with a 50 foot pole! Five years 5.2M!
Wow, he cashed in big time.... really sets the tone of FA huh
Calgary is ridiculous
Our buddy Yost think that is the type of salary that Parenteau will command. Grabovski style cashola.
And silly season has begun! That is a crazy salary figure and term, but I guess Calgary is really desperate for anything that resembles offensive skill.
Jeeeeeeebus
That is one of the funniest things I have read in ages! Haha!
Hey...whatever it takes. Sometimes we have to get our hands dirty. I had an epiphany!! Senators new slogan
"WHATEVER IT TAKES!"
Honestly Eklund is one of the dumbest, outsider hockey people on the Internet.
Somewhat brilliant though the amount of money he is making from his web site...
hence Calgary's team is ruined..holy crap..stupid signing
If suter has interest in Ottawa...
Not in love with the idea but might be the best of limited options?
Seriously. I have nothing at all against Calgary but... are they really sooooo stupid not to realize 2-3 years ago that they needed to start rebuilding? What is this garbage? They are amongst the worst run orgs in the league the past 5 years. Holy!
To quote Homer (J.S)..."I'm not gay, but I'll learn."
true maybe oneday he will get lucky and get something right.
Do you think 4mill to much or would you sign Parenteau for 4 mill?
The Calgary Flames have now taken over as the worst run Canadian hockey club.
The 1st round pick now this??!!? Yiiiiiiiiikes.
God, sometimes I just thank my lucky stars I'm a Sens fan and we have BM as our man "righting our ship".
Umm... would that be considered tampering.. a la Wilson on the Sedins when he was fined...
Maybe that's not the exact quote.. but those kind of things you would normally not talk to the public about especially if the media is near.
Personally I would be very happy with that deal but I think we'd have to sell him on our vision a bit, someone will surely offer him considerably more. I'd consider it a small miracle if we could get him for that price, and wouldn't scream blue murder if it was higher than that.
As I said before these are all puzzle pieces, the role he would play for us and where he would fit into the big picture has a lot to do as well with Nash/Ryan/Micha lek/Alfie and our plan for D.
You thought they would have learned after the Jokinen fiasco
So what will Kuba now sign for???
And as someone just said, that Karlsson signing was timed just perfectly... had we waited after this signing a Norris trophy winner would be worth 10 Mil/ season!
If this is what the UFA are going for, I would rather give our young a shot to shine... some may not be that far off from Wideman...
Wiercoch has a huge year... you heard it here first book it!!!
The Peterborough Petes have traded #Senators prospect Matt Puempel to the Kitchener Rangers for Lorentz and two 2nd's as per @MarkEdwardsHP.
Would have to assume that everyone is pretty sure he's not making the Sens (which seems pretty likely of course). Unless I guess the trade is conditional?
Schultz will make the same money wherever he goes. Max ELC dollars (just under $1M) plus max bonuses which is around another $2M I think.
In fact:
CapGeek @capgeek
(cont.) Schultz can annually earn the rookie max of $925,000 including $92,500 signing bonus plus $2.85m in perf. bonuses. Cap hit $3.775m.
It won't be about money, it will be about city/ice-time.
this is very odd... even when he does not make the Sens this year, I thought he was projected to be in Bingo?
He did play there at the end of last year.
Confusing
6.5 for 22 year old Karlsson... top Defenceman in the league.
Thank you Murray for pushing all the right buttons and driving this machine forwards not back in time or side to side
Was a quick paraphrasing tweet. Dorion was asked about PA and simply replied to the question with the usual vague BS about him being a good player, we'd kick tires etc.
Maybe they are going later?
From the other article... no way I want to Sens to even consider Tootoo.. Let another young player go into the lineup or keep Konopka.
Murray had better be careful to not let Carkner walk.. especially if they don't sign Konopka.
Shane O'Brien, yes.
Oh..Shane O'Brien
Yeah and the Sens have never been one to send a player back to junior as an over-ager. If they're eligible for the AHL they typically put him there (can't think of any exceptions).
Maybe he's been told he won't go to Bingo? Or the trade is conditional?
EDIT: He doesn't turn 20 until January. Don't think he's eligible for Bingo (when OHL season isn't over like it was when he played last year)?
Rush how did you change you post while i was quoting it???
I'm pretty sure he is only 19 so not an overager, so he wont be allowed in bingo
The arrangement with the CHL is that if your under the age of 20 and don't make NHL you have to go back to your club team until that season is over. So Puemple finished his season last year and then played for bingo
he will then go back to Kitch this year and hopefully get an invite to the world JRS camp where he may in fcat make a spot on the team
@6thSens Filip Kuba just fainted
LOL so true.
Kuba now looking for Doughty money I'm sure. LMAO
Correct. I got the four guys confused and couldn't find my old post.
Noesen/Peumpel - too young for AHL so it's Sens or junior.
Prince/Pageau - overagers for junior so Bingo bound (unless the Sens send an overager back for the first time I can recall).
haha he can keep dreaming he will never will even come close to Doughty.
its not exactly a long flight to TO and back. pretty doable to have a early afternoon/morni ng meeting and be back in ottawa an hour later.
Is it not possible that they went to TO last night after camp, stayed in TO, then came back to Ottawa today after the meeting...? Or did someone see them in Ottawa this morning?
But yesterday I'm sure most would have said nobody's going to hand Wideman a huge sack of money either (not THAT huge anyway).
Not saying for a minute that he's worth it but I can guarantee you that Kuba and his agent peed their pants when they saw what Wideman's payday was.
Something like that seems to make the most sense. Wouldn't be hard for them to get to Toronto and back. Tweets from Steve Lloyd and Don Brennan made it sound like they knew the Sens weren't meeting with Schultz.
That's where the confusion comes from.
Agreed. Never would even think Kuba would get CLOSE to 5 mill on the open market...now???
Who knows!!?
Kuba just saw many a $$$$$$$$$$$$ in his future!
must be the dog days of summer in hockey starved Ottawa.
One comment from Sens management and we all lose our Jizz!!!
Marketing people must love this... slow day... hey management say something big is happenning and watch them all speculate!
Truth is, huge news is that no matter what we do or dont do this will be one of the best camps ever in Ottawa!!!
I too am kinda thinking that his agent wants as many bidders as possile to up the Anti, so why not include Ottawa
What Ante are we talking about? He can only sign an entry level contract. The only thing that is his concern is which City he wants to live in for the next 3 years.
Yeah, you really have to wonder is that's what he had in mind all along. He's admitted that he wants to play in Canada, just hasn't admitted that he means Vancouver, specifically. Maybe the Sens should focus on one of Vancouver's existing defencemen? Chris Tanev, perhaps? I have seen him a few times - he looks pretty good.
with bonuses it can go up to 3 mil per season I believe, which is why they want to drive it up... is this not correct?
One point though.. can he get the ice time he wants in Vancouver..
Edmonton could be an option.. but they are quite a way from making the playoffs.
Also, I read it would be a 2 yr contract.. but then I assume he would be an RFA?
Maybe they should bring Turris & Weircoch with them.. both BC boys who also played in the BCHL.. and Turris played at Wisconsin.. but before Schultz did.
So it seems Puempel requestred a trade to kitchener and said wouldn't report to Petes at camp if wasn't dealt. So he got his wish #Sens
Not sure how substantiated this is but hopefully it's not as bad as it sounds (i.e. "demanding" a trade).
He is still too young for the AHL. The reason he played last year is due to a bit of a loophole in the system. Once a junior player's team is eliminated, he is eligible to play in the AHL for the rest of the season no matter what his age is.
Not too sure why but Puempel had a NTC and he specifically asked to go play in Kitchner.
I think he'll get the max from any team looking to sign him. I posted the capgeek tweet above (post 124) with the specifics.
The big difference with Kuba is going to be age, but ya this will likely put him in that 4-5mil range.
Unless there is a change of heart, I expect Matt Carkner will test the UFA market. Has turned down a one year deal. #Sens
Garrioch must be reading this blog while he tweets (getting his info from Chirp).
-impressed by lehner's rebound control
-chris driedger very impressive during mini breakaway drills, very quick legs.
-puempel looks huge compared to last year. put on serious size. same goes for noesen. and both were deadly with one timers.
-prince is very quick with soft hands
-wikstrand has a very accurate shot, beat all goaltenders with his wrister
-hoffman looks ready to take a spot in the NHL this year, very impressive defensively with his stick as well as good offence.
-borocop is incredibly strong, expect him to be the first call up if he doesnt make the roster
-kramer will be a fan favorite, the typical instigator that you love to have on your team but absolutely hate to play against.
-zib just looked like he was miles ahead of almost everyone
That's when the "change" feature comes in handy :)
BM was dressed in a sens tracksuit today. Dont think he would have traveled dressed like that to meet with schultz
The man is 69. He's earned the right to wear a tracksuit full time now.
he is probably big on coming to ottawa because he is from hull.
i think he would be a good fit if he costs under 4mill.
Im slightly worried he may be a 2nd version of ville leino.
I think 3 years 3,5-4 would do it. I think that Parenteau is a very hard worker no Ville Leino there. + the pride of playing in front of friends and family would motivate him - we aren't talking Kovalev here.
PAP would be a decent pick up as another second liner. But it's our first line that really needs the help so hopefully we don't sign PAP to some long/big contract. If he's keen to play here and signs a good contract, great.
Possibly a slight upgrade over MM9 on the top line, but not a game-changer really.
im not high on Parenteau i hope murray doesn t get him.i hope murray goes big the sens need atleast a 30 goal scorer to help out,just my two cents,whoever murray gets we will have to live with it.
I thought Parenteau was big on signing with the Habs?
I rather go after jason garrison. slightly smaller than JBo, similar stats, and will be cheaper than JBo's 6.68 cap hit.
Seeing how much garrison excelled last year with campbell as his partner makes me wonder what he can do with karlsson.
I think garrison is worth 5-5.5mill
Yeah playing with JT getting 67 points isn't exactly amazing. I'm sure there's a fair number of assists in there where JT did all the work.
Still, with Spezza he could hit 25 goals, but I'd rather sign a guy that can get 25 goals playing with just about anyone rather than Spezza having to elevate middle six guys to top line numbers.
Just passing on what I heard from a very reliable source at Wendal Clarks golf tournament yesterday.
On another note has anybody tried any of Konopkas wines? With every bottle sold some money goes to concussion research.
That is why i said i was slighly worried he is another case of ville leino. ville played with m.richards carter giroux and brierre. which lead him to a 53point season.
Now moved to buffalo, not surrounded with as much talent. Sabres are stuck with a 4.5mill cap hit on a guy that barely got 25points.
edit: now i realise moving him from isles to sens, one would expect his production to only increase from here.
I do not see Gonchar being traded to Calgary. Maybe Bryan Murray should trade Kuba's rights to the Flames so Feaster can sign him for 5 million a year. That would be hilarious.
not that its been mentioned here a bunch of times but gonchar has a full no movement clause.
Far from newsbreaking, but, good possibility the Capitals trade Alex Semin's rights.
Forgot about Semin .... hmmm.
Great scouting report Moe! Especially good news on Hoffman, Borocop and Zbad. Tks.
noesen interview with team 1200.
surprised at how good of an interview noesen is, doesnt give the same cliche answers all other hockey players do.
Where did you hear this?
appreciate the kind words. I hope more people can post their own scouting reports to compare views.
This kid is going to put up some SERIOUS points next season.
They heard it on hockey buzz.com that's why I wouldn't read into it that much.
They write whatever they want to here I'll try one ... Suter, parise, and Nash all on way to Ottawa as per my source ...more to come lol
Sorry Moe. None from me unless the development camp moves to Zihuatanejo México. But if they do I will surely be at every day's camp. Salud!
No no no no and no
From what I've seen of him (which isn't much) he looks really solid. Fairly big guy and will only fill out some more. He won't be great on D but also won't be bad as he is apparently very good at keeping himself between the player andthe net and his stick skills are off the charts as well. On offense he should be very good. He's a good skater but won't shock you with blinding speed. I also don't see him as a fancy razzle dazzle type player. He's more similar to Listrom where he makes a great first pass and has the poise and vision to find the best available player. His shot isn't spectacular but he's very good at getting it through to the net similar to Karlsson. He also playsbthe left point which would be awesome because he would naturally fit in with Erik on the powerplay.
All he'd really have to do for us is do what Kuba did. I think he could fill that role very well as he has the skill to be even better offensively and just as good defensively since Kuba wasn't spectacular by any means.
I'm sure he'd rack up some serious points on out roster. Come here man!
ctrl f
(by that I mean yes it's been mentioned)
Just once or twice ;)
While I'd love to get Schultz too, don't assume that he could "do what Kuba did". Schultz could possibly be a great partner for Karlsson but what Kuba did was 80% veteran experience and 20% skill.
Not saying Kuba is not skilled, but the only reason he had as much success with Karlsson as he did was his ability to read plays and players and apply his experience etc. Someone with no NHL experience and similar skill level to Kuba wouldn't have the same success. (Again, not saying Schultz and Kuba are equally skilled.)
Though, Karlsson matured a lot as a player last year so he doesn't need a veteran partner as much now as he did going into last season.
Sdao is more than AHL ready. standing at 6'4 230lbs. he is one mean Dman. only reason i could see why he hasnt joined bingo is because he wants to finish his degree first.
although i didnt see too much of him since most of my attention was to the younger higher draft picks. His frame was hard to miss.
He and Ben Blood another 6'4 230lbs monster will compete to be our next Carkner.
I live close to Montreal and i a big Sens fan since 13 years. Here its reporting PA Parenteau has Habs and Sens on his list. He was born at Hull (close to Ottawa) and live in Montreal during 15 years. He saids to RDS he really would like to play for the Habs but he will listen each offers because he want to play for the right team and he knoes hockey is a buisness.
No medias here in Montreal report the Habs are interest in PA Parenteau. We will see July 1st but i really hope the Sens will sign him cause he's a good player, would fit on the second line and as i french canadian, i would like to see at least one player from Quebec in the team.
Same for me, I would really like another french-canadien player too because I live in Gatineau
Really makes you wonder what it was that kept them away? I'll keep digging but today everyone assumed it had to do with Schultz.
Lol who's Rundblad???
He'd make for one hell of an addition without costing any prospects.
He's still got alot of gas left in the tank and would provide a veteran presence after Alfies departure.
Red Wings officially out of of the D Justin Schultz sweepstakes
Retweeted by Aaron Portzline
Wings were rumoured to be one of the teams on the short list. This is good news.
I'm am definitely most excited about this kid, a reason Murray grabbed him at 21 and can't wait till he show us why, kids a beast! Not a beast like the Lehner but a beast!
contract !!
Maybe the Sens can now target Bouwmeester ??
Actually that was Dennis Wideman going to Calgary, not Justin Shultz. ;)
OOPS!!!!!!!!!!
Must have been half awake when I read this !!
They have 4 players that I would really like...
Giordano would be my ideal player (They will not trade him though, their potential future captain)
Bouwmeester would be my second choice... I don't by the playoff curse thing, he has just played on shitty teams
Iginla might sound crazy but if people are thinking of Doan at 35/36 why not Iginla (the better player at 34) he is an amazing leader, and amazing player and mentor
Chris Butler again unlikely they trade him pretty solid young player with a reasonable salary
If we could somehow pull off a blockbuster for Iginla and Jay-Bo I would be thrilled.... And I don't think it would that too too much as it sounds because we would be giving them huge cap relief
Just imagine...
Stone Spezza Iginla
Michalek Turris Alfie/Silf
Greening Smith/Zibenajed Neil
Hoffman O'brien Condra/Daug
Jay-Bo Karlsson
Cowen Gonchar
Phillips Boro
(Wiercoich)
Anderson
Lehner
Highly Highly Unlikely scenario but you never no...
Peumpel, Noesen, Bishop, Foligno, First? to Calgary?
(I perfer Zibby to those first two propects)
No chance I would give up that much for the package though.
4 firsts
1 third
for 2 players that are arguably past their prime, and on the serious decline, as of now would amount to 3 years(per contract), and 14 million in salary next year, 21 million over 2 years.
yikes
No Doan, No Iginla.
It's a rebuild folks.
Yikes is right...
this never has been and never will be a edmonton/ islanders rebuild. they will continue to mix youth with the right veteran leaders and Doan would be awesome on a 2-3 year deal as our young guys mature.
Anyone seeing him play lately would realize that he's still a fierce competitor and wouldn't cost us any assets.
worst case scenario you flip him for some picks in a year or two.
No.
And is far better than the Iginla idea hahahaha
These would HAVE to go hand in hand...
I we could sign Doan for 3 years...
Then we could use Michalek in our trade to get Rick Nash...
Michalek, Foligno, ??? for Nash
This would be ideal because Doan easily replaces Michalek in our top 6 and is our bridge til zibby, silf, and stone are fully ready...
Spezza, Nash, Doan, Turris, Alfredsson, Stone/Silf/Zibb y Looks like a pretty solid top 6...
Leaving a really solid bottom 6 as awell... Greening, Neil, Smith, O'brien etc...
There are a TON of IF'S that go with this as we could not trade Michalek if we don't have a replacement... I really like Michalek but if we could Rick Nash and Doan thats better.
I couldnt agree more, a guy like Doan is perfect for our team. Especially if we lose Alfie an older guy that works hard, plays a 200 foot game, would be great as an example to our young guns
The nash to Ottawa rumor is not hinging on the fact we haven't offered enough. Its hinging on Nash desire to play here, and Hoswen desire to wait and see if he gets better offers after july 1st
So with that in mind I don't think we need to worry about upping our offer by including Michalek
1) Doan is still an impact player.
2) He would definitely choose a team like Ottawa over big markets like NY, LA, Chicago, etc. due to his 5 children and lifestyle.
3) He wants to go out a winner.
4) He could fill a leadership role when Alfie retires.
5) Money will not be the #1 factor in his choice.
6) He may want to stay in the southern states as he prefers the anoynimity, ie. Nashville, San Jose, Dallas, etc.
7) He is friends with Iginla who tried to talk him in to coming to Calgary before.
I think he would be a great addition and guys like Alfie and Philips may be able to sell him in Ottawa but I think he will choose a team in the states to avoid media scrutiny and due yo the fact all of his kids have been raised in the US. However, the idea of playing on a competitive team with players like Spezza, Karlson and solid goaltending could certainly be appealing to him. He was a beast in the playoffs this year and you could see the frustration on his face when they lost. He would be a huge addition to any playoff calibre team.
AGREED, TOP TO BOTTOM...
Hallaluyah!
Alot of you are reminding of SENSCHIRP READER Leaf fans with how you want to aquire every player that is even hinted at being available. The only thing worse is when you then post potential line combinations with said players.
Nash Spezza Iginla
Doan P. Kane Ryan
E.Kane Turris Parise
Parenteau Staal Alfie
Suter Karlesson
Hjmarsson Cowen
J. Bo Weber
Seriously? Keep your fantasy trades/lineups to NHL13 please.
Just keeping it real.
Rebuild yes, but that doesn't mean an entire team of young players without any vetern presense or experience. Yes, Ottawa has what we would consider a good core of vets, but adding a guy like Doan doesn't throw any type of wrench into what we are building, it only adds major character and leadership. Turn it around and consider a guy like Doan going to the Leafs or Habs. Would that bother you as a fan, knowing we could have signed him?
This is a comparison I was trying to make about Nash awhile ago. If either of those clubs picked up a guy like Nash in a trade (I know it's not happening, but if it did), wouldn't you be the least bit upset knowing we have to face him so many times in the season?
An absolute shame if he doesn't come back. I think he's worth more than a measly one year deal. The guy epitomizes team.
It's also a shame that he was a weak skater at best before his chronic knee injuries. How many people would care if he hadn't jumped Boyle in the playoffs. If he wants a multiuser deal at more then 1M, good for him. Let him sit in someone else's press box.
without sounding so harsh, but he is right
it is a shame that he may not come back as he does serve a purpose, and we will all remember his triple OT goal against the Pens in Leclaire's Playoff Debut but last year on a rebuilding year he had a hard time beating out Gilroy/Lee for a spot in the lineup and that says something
yea he isnt the fastest but he was and will be always the guy to have your back no matter what
I'm not 100% against Doan or arguing that he might have some value (particularly if Alfie retires) but we should be looking to use assets/money/ca p space to sign guys that will be here in 3-4 years and beyond when we're a perennial cup contender.
A UFA "geezer" on a short deal without overpaying is easier to work into the rebuild than trading prospects for one or signing a geezer to a "retirement contract" where he'll be in the way of Noesen, Silfverberg, Zibanejed, Stone etc. (i.e. "the future of our franchise).
Don't get me wrong. I like Carkner and I think he makes an ideal 7th defenceman. If another team wants to pay him to play in their top six for the next 3 years then good for him.
Of course this is if we miss out on Nash/PA/Ryan
Whitney would be a great 2nd line guy and can play up on line 1 or down on line 3 depending on how our young guys do
Then next year we have more spots open for FA or for ready to go prospects with Whitney and alfie gone
Thoughts?
a)we are nowhere near the cap max regardless of what happens
b)as mentioned above, Doan costs no assets
c)when we are ready to make a run at the cup in a few years, Doan would already be off the books and younger ufa's would likely be available for us to tweak our roster.
d)if you have any desire to give alfie a cup, this is a great additional with minimal risk. add a top 4 d in there and i think we can compete in the east.
AND YES, I LOVE WHITNEY....EASI LY ONE OF THE MOST UNDERATED PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE HIS ENTIRE CAREER, ALL HE DOES IS PUT UP POINTS.
Scrimmage tonight at Sensplex, 7pm start time, meet and greet after the scrimmage, 8:30pm
So very true Rush... great on you to point out.
Moe you always bring value with all your posts, great Euro insight, and prospect info thanks...
yah you too tooks :)
My thoughts exactly. Lets be realistic, we aren't making a cup run right now. Doan is not going to be here for 4 years. Teams in the NHL now have a hard time keeping a player past 3 to 4 years, even if signed beyond that, before they are shipped elsewhere. When we are ready, other UFA's will be available. It's just the way it is.
pretty sure it is.
hey thanks looking forward to it thanks for the info
np, im sure chirp will mention it in the next post.
Seating opens at 5:30 for season seaters, 6:40 for public
I believe the ''Meet the prospects'' is SS owners only. If anyone needs to tag with a SS owner let me know as im currently only bringing one guest.
Again, signing an older guy is fine if the contract makes sense (short and yes since it's real money we can't just toss $$$ at them). As long as:
a) It's not taking ice time away from a younger that really needs it to develop properly
b) We're not going to have trouble signing our younger guys to solid contracts in the next few years
c) We're not introducing any possible problems or conflicts into the dressing room
Doan probably qualifies but I don't see him as anything but a minimal boost for the next few years even in the best scenario - which are years where our cup chances are slim to none. Anything can happen of course and I'd love to see Alfie hoist the cup (duh) but realistically that's not happening unless we seriously detour from the rebuild which would be foolish.
Of course if we end up trading for Nash/Ryan/Kane or signing Parise or finding a superstud D - that changes things a bit.
honestly the one year deal was a bit of a slap in the face, as he is a person who leads with his heart, and has given all for this team, never questioning his role, on or off the ice.
Hell we threw 10 Mil to the tin man in Kovalev.
I am sure if you offered him a 3 year deal at less than 3 mil, he would jump all over it.
And yes he did seem somewhat slower last year due to knee issues, but in the playoffs he won out over Gilroy, and IMO was more valuable than Kuba against the Rangers.
Mark my words, MTL or TO grab him as a 7th D-man we will regret this snub towards him.
Carks if we pushed you out, we the fans are sorry, but do what is best for you and your family,
damn shame!
I fail to see how a guy 29th in points last year, ahead of D. Sedin, Kane, Ovie, Brad Richards, etc is a second line consolation prize.
Yeah I'd rather Nash or Ryan but trust me, this guy will help us score points, big time.
Feaster hopes to have a crack at Justin
Schultz. :/
Chris Botta via twitter : Islanders hope P.A.
Parenteau stays, but know that he’s been
offered half the total money he can get on
the open market. (Wont be back)
Bill Watters via twitter: Don’t be surprised if
Brandon Prust and Shane Doan become
Maple Leafs. Both have been targeted since
April. (Don't be surprised if Schultz, Nash, Parise, PA, Luongo, Thomas, Iginla, Carkner, Ryan and Kane are as well.... :/ )
Where did I say he was?? I said he doesn't really fit our top line needs...most of his points were assists. We need a bonefide finisher
Am told both Ontario teams, Ottawa and Toronto, are among teams on Justin Schultz's negotiating list...
NYR are in on Justin Schultz. @DarrenDreger confirms TOR is in, @Real_ESPNLeBru n confirms OTT is in. That makes it VAN, EDM, NYR, TOR, OTT.
-BoB McKenzie
aside from living in the big apple I don't see why Schultz would want to compete with girardi, mcdonagh, staal, delzotto for playing time?
Well said!! While he's not Nash, he is an upgrade on a top line over Greening, that's all that needs to be said!!
True. So we have a legitimate chance. Nice.
Even if Alfie stays though and we somehow get Nash, I still think there's room for Doan and what he brings. It would also allow PM to dress a 3rd line that's really a 2nd line in disguise/in learning, and then roll all 4 lines all year.
I just don't see how we wouldn't be considered a favorite with something like:
Nash - Spezza - Silfverberg/Stone
Doan - Turris - Alfie
Greening - Regin - Silfverberg/STone
O'Brien - Smith - Neil
Condra/Butler