(UPDATE 11:44 AM)- In the 5th round, at 136th overall, the Senators have selected centre Robert Baillargeon, a centre out of the USHL.
(UPDATE 11:20 AM)- In the fourth round (106th overall), the Sens took defenceman Timothy Boyle, brother of Rangers forward Brian Boyle.
(UPDATE 10:47 AM)- The Sens have made their first pick on Day 2 of the Draft grabbing Calgary Hitmen goaltender Chris Driedger in the third round, 76th overall. They followed that up with an interesting pick in Jarrod Maidens at 82nd overall. Maidens was once projected to be a top 10-15 pick but has had some concussion issues. Interesting gamble by the Sens.
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Day 2 of the NHL Draft is set to kick off in Pittsburgh this morning with Rounds two through seven.
With all the surprises in Day 1, there are some interesting names left on the board and potentially some players that the Sens are fairly high on. With two picks in round three, don't be surprised to see the Sens try to make a move up to grab someone they have targeted in the second round.
If the Sens hold steady with the two third round picks, don't be surprised if they target goalie Daniel Altshuller. Altshuller is from the Ottawa area and met with the Senators brass in the weeks leading up to the Draft. Pierre Dorion and Tim Murray have both been quite vocal about wanting to add a goaltending prospect this weekend.
With Cody Ceci already in tow, the Sens have six more picks in the Draft. Heading into today the Sens are slated to pick twice in round 3 (76 and 82), round 4 (106), round 5 (136), round 6 (166) and round 7 (196).
Have a commitment around 1:00 PM today but will do my best to keep the updates coming both on the site and on Twitter until then.
- The Senators remained very much interested in Nash yesterday. Right up until the start of the first round, key contacts continued to maintain that the Sens were "working on it". About half way through the opening round I received a text saying, "price is too high for now". I don't think for a second the door is closed on Rick Nash but with no draft picks involved in a potential deal between Columbus and Ottawa, the urgency to get something done wasn't there for either side.
- In an interesting Draft Day development, I got word that the Sens could also be considering a pitch for soon to be unrestricted free agent Zach Parise. I still consider this one a long shot at best but the possibility of adding Parise without subtracting from the club's prospect pool has to seem like an attractive choice for fans.
- In the end, the Senators got their man in Cody Ceci. Bryan Murray and his staff believed there was a chance Ceci could go in the top 10 so when Ceci fell to 15, the team's scouts were thrilled. Had things gone a different way in the first fourteen picks, the Senators also liked forward Tom Wilson, who ended up going to Washington at 16.
- A quick thank you to the readers of this site for another record breaking day on SensChirp. By the time Ceci pulled on his Sens jersey, we were starting our fourth thread of the day. More than 20,000 article reads and over 1000 comments. Incredible.
for anyone who has no life and has time, and wants to watch the rest of the rounds in the draft, here is a link
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/127761/1/watch-nhl-draft.html
http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=616&id=181673
oh......haha
Burke probably had him 2nd on his list behind Reilley
I think howson has blown his best chance to maximize the return on Nash. He still needs to deal him, but I wouldn't be surprized if the offers are suddenly de-sweetened.
haha, nice. Burke is such a cocky prick.
I ask because I remember that being a major milestone being brought up when we first got the team.
Someone please tell me they were of drinking age when the sens got the franchise...ple ase? :)
I was pounding beers at the Civic Centre at our first game in 92. If memory seves me correct, Todd White was our first local, but he was acquired through trade.
Goalie we just grabbed....don' t know much about him...stats are well average at best
No.
It's a longshot, but TM and PD both say it's a possibility. Likely another year in junior though. They say 2 years max though for him to crack the Sens line-up.
with our second 3rd rounder, we selected jarrod maidens
Smart move. Fisher trade complete now and I think it looks good for them.
Not a bad pick, gotta bulk up a bit though...pretty sure after the draft last year he was expected to go top 20
Dreidger is solid. The Hitmen season mirrored the Sens in that they had a resurgence and an unexpected playoff berth. His play was definitely a contributing factor.
Reinhart was the guy I loved, Murray will be steady, Reilly is going to cause fits for Toronto, but will score and I think Ceci will be solid in both zones.
Lindholm will be good too...
Jarrod Maidens, could be a steal, smart pick and worth the gamble (due to concussion issues).
Not good.
Real glad that we picked up a goalie though. We needed to address that issue, so great job BM. Also looks like
Erik Karlsson has not been drafted yet (was projected to go in the second round).---- NVM Canes took him
Pitt will get someone big this year, no doubt. I'd bet on Parise, but they have so many options...they could also enter into trade talks for a big name
Done.
Damn.
Would have been interesting to have another Karlsson in the system.
LMAOOO
I feel so sorry for this kid....always going to confused with a better player.
AND WOW gustofsson for a 7th lmfao...glad I wont have to hear about him anymore.
Hope he becomes an absolute stud now though
Good trade for 'Peg
I think he's a good backup goalie and just suffered playing in T.O....
Really think he'll thrive with the Jets. They got a good goaltender. He unfortunately had to play in the Leaf system with that crazy media...
B.Boyle: hello?
T.Murray: Hey Brian, remember when you punched karlsson in the head a bunch of times?B.Boyle: Who is this?
T.Murray: WELL WE HAVE YOUR BROTHER!!!!!*cl ick*
haha saw this on HFboards... hilarious
Had to pass it along
44GP 24-12-3 2.80 .896
“Driedger displays a very calm demeanor in the net, and he moves with good balance due to a low center of gravity. He has very little excess movement, and is the most minimalistic and economical of the four. His game is very simple; he doesn’t waste any excess energy, he stays in good position, and he shows elements of durability by quietly letting the puck, and the play, come to him.”
-Justin Goldman, the Goalie Guild
Jarrod Maidens(C), Owen Sound Attack, 6'2 170:
28GP 12G 11A (season cut short due to concussion)
"Maiden’s is a highly-athletic player who’s an excellent skater, enabled by his upright posture and stride which allow for powerful thrusts that help him enter the zone effectively. He is always around the puck due to his skating and size."
-David Burstyn, McKeen’s Hockey Director of Scouting
"When healthy, Maidens shows a lot of tools that make you think he could be a solid top 6 forward at the next level. His biggest asset is his strength and compete level. He is one of the better board players in the draft. He is strong at winning battles for the puck along the boards in the offensive zone. He uses his body to protect the puck from opposition defenders. He makes crisp tape-to-tape passes from behind the net. He is an underrated skater who shows strong footwork. He projects out as a good top 6 forward with leadership abilities."
-Sean Lafortune, Future Considerations Scout and Founder of The Prospect Blog
Timothy Boyle(D), Nobles HS, 6'2 185:
24GP 6G 12A 10PIM
Committed to Union College (NCAA). Brother of Brian Boyle of the Rangers.
Everything points to it, but it's hard to tell at times.
If I were getting drafted by the Senators I'd be losing my s**t..
Murray's comments on Ceci suggested he'll have a shot to make the team this year. It's a stretch but they'll give him a look. The other guys will all be in town shortly for the team's Development camp so we'll have a better idea how they project at that point.
54GP 14G 34A 36PIM
Committed to BU Terriers (NCAA)
"He compares to ex-Terrier Nick Bonino, except he skates better than Nick did. His strengths are his skating and stick skills as well as his hockey IQ. He does need to improve his consistency of always bringing it each shift. His top level is really high, but when he takes a shift off he is then just a good player. I think the sky is the limit once he figures out how to be consistent."
- Cushing Coach Rob Gagnon, via The Terrier Hockey Fan Blog:
awesome so if ceci makes the team this year i wonder if murray will still be looking to trade for another defense.
The rest are developmental players and one injury risk that hasnt skated since early november...
Players I wanted
Nick Ebert Dmen still available
Matt Murray Goalie
Frederik Andersen goaile (frolunda)
Fredrik Larsson -Brynas dmen
Agree 100% on JM.
No Swedes (or Europeans for that matter) picked by Ottawa ?
Swedish talent pipeline empty ?
Driedger is obviously a long term project, but a very solid prospect that already shows a great understanding of the positional aspect of the game. I was hopeful the Sens would move up if the top 3 fell to the 2nd round, but they didn't and Murray was smart to just wait and see who was left at the pick. Sens will still need to find another backup for the AHL in UFA though for the short term.
Maiden is a definite steal in the 3rd round! Despite the injury history, his upside is really high. Can't believe they got a potential top 6 forward this late.
Codi Ceci really just made my day yesterday, this kid is going to special. If somehow he's ready this year, I could see him splitting time with Carkner depending on the skills of the opposition team, but likely will make the team in a year or 2 and round out our top 4 with Cowen, Karlsson and possibly Claesson.
Future is looking really bright boys!
Pse explain who you are talking about and why!!
Sorry McLovin.....I figured it out now. Need more coffee.
37GP 20-10-3 2.80 .905
From Gatineau
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/juniorhockey/blog/buzzing_the_net/post/qmjhl-gutsy-rookie-goalie-a-late-round-find-for-roys-remparts?urn=juniorhockey,wp3251
They are players i wanted ...and they were there for the picking
http://www.goalierankings.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=133:2012-nhl-draft-preliminary-rankings-for-north-american-goalies&catid=16:articles
http://www.sportsnet.ca/iphone/hockey/trades/2012/06/23/anaheim_ducks_bobby_ryan_wants_trade_to_philadelphia_flyers/
I don't think I've been more excited in my life. Wow. Unbelievable feeling to be a Senator #dreamcometrue
Ceci is definite impact player. The rest could challenge down the road, but are still good for depth in the org. I think they're going for highest reward types, those that have a real shot at one day playing in the NHL. Ottawa may be able to outperform the average in this draft. But really after Ceci the rest working or not working out should not be too worrisome, more like a bonus for the team.
European Skater - Mora, SWEDEN-2
Final Rank: 23 Midter m Rank: 34
Position: Defenseman Shoots: Left
Height: 6' 1" Weight: 183
Born: November 5, 1993
Born in: Karlstad, SWE
Drafted: OTT (7th Round / 196th Overall)
http://video.senators.nhl.com/videocenter/console
Ceci will have to get by Borowiecki, Gryba, Wiercioch, Claeson and even Benoit to get close to a place. Of course they are going to say he'll have a shot at traing camp but expect to see him in a 67s uniform next year.
Ceci is going to be a very good player for the Sens but let's not batter him with unrealistic expectation right out of the gate. It's no big deal if we wait a year, hasn't seemed to hurt Karlsson or Cowen.
SWE-2 - 47GP 1G 2A 8PIM
JR - 11GP 3G 4A 2PIM
23rd Ranked European skater by Central Scouting
"He is a great two-way defenseman, solid passer, and is willing to play physical. He brings a game similar to 2011 Oilers draft pick Oscar Klefbom. He could also could be compared to Jonathan Ericsson, only smaller and stronger."
-BleacherReport
"Solid two way defender who never looks out of position and plays a smart game. He will need weight training, but already has excellent skating abilities and balance. Is an above average PP general, who knows where to distribute. Moves effortlessly along the blue line laterally, which helps to open the scoring lanes. An excellent long term prospect and value in the later rounds of this draft."
- Bill Placzek
I like this draft, addressed needs to increase dman prospect depth, picked a couple goalies, and most of their forward/dmen picks seem to have something in common in their scouting reports... they are considered to be good skaters. I like that.
Biggest complaint I am seeing is why draft 2 goalies....ahhh well most of them are casual fans who really only form their opinions by what others say...so hopefully what I told them helps...and they realize just because 6 guys from this years draft don't crack our starting line up doens't mean we failed.
Completely agreed, and the fact Bishop is likely going in some deal in the next year adds to that goaltender need right now. One of them could very well be Lehner's backup in 5 years.
They may also be the type of fans that didn't think Stone or Claesson were going to be anything at the time they were drafted.
Just think there were better players to be drafted
Rank Draft ..Top 3
Ceci
Brassard
Maidens
Happy with all the picks even if I haven't seen most of them play, can't wait to see what they become!
It made a little sense if they were going to draft a goalie but taking a forward when it's pretty much impossible to have gotten a worse guy next year instead (likely won't pick 29th, stronger draft expect) doesn't make sense.
Maybe they gambled that one of the goalies they liked would be there but neither were? And I assume they had to declare a few days back which first round pick they were giving up?
Anyone see more on this and some reason why?
Not that I really care what NJ does of course.
THRILLED with Ceci by the way as I'm sure most are. The other picks look solid too though as we all know anything third round or later is pretty much a crap-shoot.
I know Tim Murray himself reminded everyone that "everyone loves their pick when you ask them" but I have to believe that they are legitimately stoked to have gotten Ceci without trading up.
Please tell us about the hockey teams that you've successfully managed.
They had the biggest bunch of shit-eating grins I have eevr seen. Whatever sort of player Ceci becomes for this team, at this point the Sens management were absolutely thrilled to get the guy at 15.
Not me your talking to but I just had to say all NHL Teams in NHL 12 XD they won the cup every year too ;) hahaha
"successfully managed" ....Have we won the cup ?
Joy Lindsay @PSBJoyOnTheSens
#Sens 2012 #NHLDraft picks are all on Twitter: @Cecer_83 @ChrisDriedger @jarrod_maids @Tim_Boyle3 @MysteryMan93 @fbrass31 @MWikstrand #BSens
I love how we drafted Brian Boyle's brother. Not only is that a decent pedigree but it adds a neat twist to the whole saga. I wonder if he'll seek out Carks at camp - maybe bring him a peace offering?
http://proxy.autopod.ca/podcasts/chum/184/7472/12.06.23%20bryan%20murray.mp3
Regarding Jersey, I heard an interview with Lamoreillo and he said something along the lines of losing a year of player development. Im pretty sure they were allowed to decide within a few picks of their own. I still think it was a dumb move, even if they thought a particular player (goalie), would be available.
The other picks are all like 4th rounders and beyond in a "deep" draft. So while there's nothing to get excited about yet they may get back on the radar in a few years like some of the current Sens have. i.e. drafted a few years ago, nobody gave them much thought until recently. Which considering the lack of depth this year is fine.
We got so much out of last year's draft that surviving this "weak draft" is going to be easier on us than on some teams.
Of course any of our other picks could surprise us (Jarrod Maidens for example) but really, just think of it as Ceci with our mid/late first and a bunch of other guys.
I still don't WANT to see us move a goal tender but the chatter on that is going to be inevitable.
Now this boring draft nonsense is out of the way we can go back to the bread and butter of making ridiculous trade suggestions for Nash and Ryan.
Yeah the way I took it during the pre-draft segments on TSN was that they had to give up their first this year or next. The fact that they kept the 29th pick in a "weak draft" was seen as a sign that they wanted to grab a goalie.
Grabbing a goalie at 29 is almost like grabbing a forward in the 5-10 range in terms of getting one of the best ones available. So with Marty playing one more year or so it seemed to makes sense.
Really, if they were to sit out round 1 this year and take a goalie next year they might be trading down anyway (depending on where they finish, what goalies are available etc). But you'd have to think they could have gotten a better forward next year.
One year of development does make some sense I guess, but still seems odd. That shouldn't offset the delta in skill between their guy this year and whomever they could have got next year.
I guess there's some merit to the idea of "bird in the hand" and just get someone now. Plus they could look to trade for a first rounder next year if they really wanted to.
Why do I care so much about NJ?? LOL End of topic.
If only...
It also means that they are currently without a first round pick next year for the draft which takes plave in..... New Jersey.
He's projected to be a guaranteed top 4 guy and even a possible top 2. So if he comes to Ottawa he'd either be playing with Cowen or Karlsson. Those are some solid options for him. If I were him and I was already planning to go to Toronto because of Gardner and Murray came along and basically guaranteed me to be one of those two partner I would find it hard to say no. To me Karlsson is one of these guys that is gonna make many people multi millionaires with inflated contracts simply because they feed of his incredible talent. And it's the agents job to spot these guys and use that in making a decision. I think we have a solid shot with him
Imagine...
Schults - Karlsson
Cowen - Ceci
Now that's a winner
So here is the real reason
Sutter, 8th pick(Pouliot) and Doumalin in my opinion is almost the exact same value as Foligno and Zibanejad + later pick/prospect. I think everyone would agree Nash is worth more than J.Staal but only slightly. So I think Howsen will be forced to accept a package very similar to that PLUS one more piece wether it be Bishop/Lehner or another offensive prospect like Puempel.
Gone are the days of him asking for 4 or 5 big pieces
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Breaking News!!!! Toronto trades Luke Schenn to Flyers for James Van RiemsDyk. Done deal. #TSN
and would everyone put Ottawa as the favourites to land Nash?
I would put the Flyers out of the Rick Nash running and Bobby Ryan sweepstakes!
Every thing I have read suggests Ott not on Nash's list. But things can change I guess. NYR is the top of his list. Really who knows!
Way to totally miss the ball Murray
"We don't need you anymore Schenn, we got a new defenseman taken 5th overall that we can rush onto the team when he isn't ready."
Hurricanes = team Staal
Flyers = team Schenn
Howson can always try to convince Rick Nash to put Ottawa on his approval list!
SensChirp a leafs insider... how nasty
This is good for us, maybe the phillies got one of the guys they wanted. Hopefully they just lost the assest they needed to make a move for Ryan or Nash
You can't claim to have broken a trade unless you mention the players - otherwise Eklund has broken every trade ever.
Canes out of Nash sweepstakes
Flyers out of Nash sweepstakes
Sharks out of Nash Sweepstakes
Leafs never were in Nash sweepstakes
Who does this leave. Obviously the Rangers, us (though he may not want to come here), and who else? Only other potential option I can see is either the Pens, or maybe CBJ and the Ducks pull off a blockbuster with Nash and Ryan switching teams.
Anyone else have any thoughts?
I think he ends up here in Ottawa!
Murray should try to get Jason Spezza to talk to Rick Nash or get Spezza to go to Brampton and talk to Nash and try to get him to Ottawa on his list of teams he would accept a trade to!
agree with all you said, i wouldnt be surprised if nash goes to a team that hasnt been mentioned (preds, canucks etc.
The canucks don't have the cap room to add Nash and why would Nash want to the preds!
as soon as they move loungo, im sure they can make room if they wanted him.
and as for preds, they are still very competitve, although still lacking a top line center. but i realised i picked a bad example to say he moves to a rival.
Possibly because Nashville are actually a very good team with an elite goal-tender, a very solid and deep defence and a lot of very good forwards without having that "one" truly great offensive player.
Plus Nashville getting Nash send Suter a VERY strong message about the direction of the franchise.
The question to ask is whether Nashville have the money to do it.
I still think Nash ends up getting traded to the Senators!
Lets say what if Murray does not get Nash who does Murray try to get does Murray sign someone on July 1st PA Parenteau or I hate to say this and I hope to god that he resigns in LA would Murray try to sign Dustin Penner?
reporting indicates that Nash wants this sorted as soon as possible, if Howson goes to him and says it's the Sens or nobody, Nash is presented with a very persuasive argument. But my earlier point remains do we want somebody who doesn't really want to be here.
I think NY is out too. They won't add that one big piece Howsen wants. He's gonna have to reconsider a deal with us.
Calling ti right now Foligno, Zibanejad and Puempel for Nash
I don't think it will get sorted out before July 1st.
What if they can convince Rick Nash to play here and be happy playing here!
I hope you are right!
glad you are pretty optimistic,
we need someone that can score goals.
aside from nash or parise,
i still hope we can look at jiri hudler, possible for a cheap contract, brad boyes.
or if we look at some RFAs, although most are too expencive: e.kane, tj oshie etc.
I would like Evander Kane.
mmmm...I think that was a stupid trade for the leafs...JVR could very well end up being a great player (and I think he will) but...why trade 1 of your few trade assets of value in schenn for..yet another winger...you can ice a team of 6 all star wingers...what good are they if the towel boy is the center?
In my comment section, I may do whatever the hell I please :)
If you are not a fan of uncomfortable answers you should stop asking scary questions.
i would like Evgeni Malkin.
That's a little ridiculous don't you think?
There was no trade broken here. You simply said there was a trade looming. Nothing about teams involved or players. But nice try
Haha stand down fellas. Just messin around.
I realize I didn't break the deal. Figured folks that followed along yesterday would be interested to know that was the deal I was referring to.
why stop there? I would like a time machine that we can bring 1983's Wayne Gretzky to today and put him on the sens
And well... he did say that there was a flyers/leafs trade coming (he probably read it on here).
As we all know the man is famed for the vagueness of his rumours and not mentioning players but this time he ponied up with names. AND mentioned Schenn AND mentioned JVR.
Which is impressive until you realise his comment was "i've been told the deal is NOT Schenn for JVR.
And then, 90 minutes later....
At least the guy is diverting.
His father Bob Ryan agreed: "In my mind, the Flyers are the best that there is."
So is that a trade demand? Reading Courier-Post reporter Randy Miller's incendiary interview with Ryan from a charity golf tournament on Friday, it felt like a point of no retur
My take - NJ goofed up big time, especially after they fail to make the playoffs next year...
Ottawa gets The Hammer from the Hawks, and I bet the deal is already agreed to, provided Chicago lands Local boy Sutter(Ok Madison WI is not local but close enough to the Windy city)
I agree Murray's strategy of drafting local players, provided all else is relatively equal. In this day of multi million dollar contracts, where players can choose where to live, it makes sense as a retention policy.
Nash for Foligno, Mika and Peumple would be a steal , IMO, but this would mean going for the cup in the next 4 yrs, as after that we could be cap restricted with his huge salary and diminishing contributions.
http://m.ottawasun.com/2012/06/23/no-deal-for-other-michalek
Tire kicking at best it appears. No names mentioned.
If Howsen proves to be stubborn once again, he'll wait a bit longer. This would be a HUGE mistake on his part as I guarantee he will not and cannot have Nash in CLB once training camp starts. That would really ruin the mojo along with everything else. the other thing to note is that all the other teams will be less and less interested in changing their roster the closer they get to training camp. Obviously the offers will also deminish if this would be the case.
I guess the longer this goes the better for Ottawa. So come ooonnn Howsen, keep screwing up!
Two years from now Zibby and Silfverburg are 2 and 3 in team scoring behind Spezza, and Bishop and Lehrner battle for number one
Funny how you claim people can't see the big picture then forget Turris...Spezza , Silfverburg,Tur ris, then MAYBE Zibby...could be a shit tonne of guys at number 4
Turri will not outscore Zibby or Slifverburg two yeaars from now.
Give your head a shake man.
We do not need Nash
Hell if it meant anything/was worthwhile I would put a wager on it...but seeing as you are just numbers on a site and the outcome wouldn't be known for 2+ years its pointless....bu t yeah friendly wager it is
I do agree though we do not need/I don't want Nash at this point unless its for literally nothing
You give your head a shake you tool!
Spezza can't play with rookies or role players anymore. He needs a bonafied 1st line guy. Silfverberg and Zibanjed are not that. They're both Great players but are 2nd line guys with a chance to play 1st line depending on the situation. Just like Michalek is a true 2nd line guy who in this situation got to play a couple seasons on the 1st.
A player of Spezza calibre really only plays at full potential when he has a TRUE scorer on his side. Nash is that player. All that said Nash brings many other things to the table. The biggest of which I would say is his leadership. He may not become our captain but he will be a very welcome presence once Alfie is gone. The Sens really don't have any natural leaders in the room at the moment. It would be great to get a guy like Nash that you know the younger guys will respect and listen
Why is it so hard for somebody to reply to someone normally on this site, what was the point of calling him a tool?
Silfverberg will never be HALF the player Nash is. I lovethe kid but he's not a guaranteed 1st line guy. Examples of legit 1st line guys; NASH, Parise, Giroux, Perry. Aka superstars. If you're not a superstar in the NHL you won't be on a "good teams" 1st line unless you're a "go to the net and make room for the actual good players on the line type player". I think Silfverberg could complement Spezza and Nash very well but he wouldn't be a good go to man. Just like Michalek...obvi ously a great player but not great enough to be a consistent go to 1st line sniper
Assuming he can adjust I see him as a big upgrade over Michalek...alth ough I do agree that he likely will be #3 on the top line of a quality Sens team.
have you ever called someone a tool? if not I insist you give it a try.. its quite fun actually...lol but joking aside I do agree a lot of people on this site flip out way to easily and insult just cause person X disagrees with THEIR assessment/pred iction of prospects
Many reasons for insults around here:
1- people here are fanatics and passionate.
2- fairly young audience
3- internet anonymity
Still, this is the best damn site for sens news and talk. Not only that, it is a community.
Senators 2nd, 3rd Rd pick, Jarrod Maidens, is still recovering from concussion problems that ended his season.
you just know don brennan was so happy to have something negative to say. is ceci another garbage pick donny?
Foligno-Zibby-P uempel-Petersse n.
Crazy stuff - I say that would do the trick.
What would the lines look like
Here's my guess
Alfie-Spezza-Nash
Michalek-Turris-Stone
Greening-Regin-Silfverberg
Condra-O'Brien-Neil
Butler-DaCosta-Hoffman-Noesen-Pageau-Prince-Maidens + all the other Bingo gang
Not too shabby + sure I'm forgetting someone.
Silfverberg - Spezza - Nash
Michalek - Turris - Alfredsson
Z.Smith - Regin - Neil
Greening - O'Brien/Winches ter - Condra
??? - Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Carkner
BoroCop
When they spoke of re-signing players last week there was no mention of Winchester. I wouldn't count on him coming back, we have too many bottom 6 players that won't fight as it is.
Silverburg Turris Alfie
Greening Regin Stone
Condra Smith Neil
Butler
New D Karlsson
Gonchar Cowan
Phillips Borocop
Anderson Bishop/Lehner
you can move the lines around all you want but it sure is an upgrade from last season.
...how about...their "best Defense in the League" just took a huge hit and will be much worse off in their own end...
Not only do they lose one of their true top 4D, they lose probably their biggest asset in any trade they wanted to make for a C or G. Maybe they couldn't find the market they wanted, and Burke has always had a hard on for JVR, but his plan to make the playoffs in short order probably just took another step back.
Are you making that assessment purely based on the fact that Nash was taken 1st overall? Silfverberg will be a good player. You can just see it. Just because he wasn't taken in the first round, doesn't mean he wont be as good as Nash. I'd list players taken outside the top 30, but we're all heard it too many times.
I think Ceci comes in just when Phillips contract is up. That gives him enough time to develop, refine himself... And the rest of the D corps will be considered vets (Karlsson/Cowen ) by then too.
Book it.
lol...on the silfverberg vs nash debate...your both wrong...why? cause there is no way to know for another 20 some on years when both are retired so unless you got a crystal ball that you can downright show us...this is just gonna be a tennis match that doesn't end
The 67's could still trade him to another OHL team
Someone stole my user name!
Quoting Hook:
Yess thank you
But they'll never take your freeeeeeeeeeedo m
It also is annoying during a game when exciting hockey is going on and they are off on some tangent about something nobody cares about.
I guess they think we care what they have to say.
One of the best ideas I have ever heard (in this day and age of 100000 channels): Have hockey games where there's no broadcasters, i.e. just the on-ice microphones but no play-by-play or color commentators. I would much rather watch a game (especially when watching with friends) where all you hear is the skates on the ice, pucks on the sticks etc and not have to endure Cole, Macguire, Healey etc.
As for the leafs - they did get better adding JVR but the cost was high. I think the trade helps them immensely up front (of course) but hurts their blueline which was already thin. Now if they go sign Schultz then that changes things a bit. And if they actually sign Suter then it makes the JVR trade very big for them indeed.
The nice thing about the Sens being so solid for the foreseeable future is that it doesn't bother me in the least if the leafs improve themselves. Bring it on.
I know I should say this quietly but if you take away all the bullshit that comes with Burke I generally like the moves he makes. Even the Kessel trade. Yes it was a fair amount to give up but he has been great for the Leafs, the problem is he is surrounded by shit.
The one gripe I always had when comparing Murray to Burke is that Burke wasn`t afraid to pull the trigger on big deals. However, since the Fisher trade which scheduled the beginning of the rebuild Murray has changed his tune, leads me to believe that it was actually Melnyk holding him back.
What I don`t understand about the Leafs is that they seem to make all these great deals but never get any better. The only rational explanation is that the entire franchise is broken and rotten - they have an uncanny knack of turning gold into straw.
As much as it pains me to say it, Leafs made out better in this deal.
"I told a couple of people before the draft, if you like Drew Doughty, you're gonna love Cody Ceci," said Kilrea."He'll be one of the top defencemen in the NHL, he's just that good. He's big, strong, he's a great skater with a tremendous shot, passes the puck well, and yeah, he's not a physical player, but he always manages to take his man out and get between his man and the puck. Eventually he'll add that (physical) dimension to his game."But what he's got, some players will never get."
Silverburg Spezza Michalek
Regin Turris Stone
Greening Zibanejad Butler
Condra Smith Neil
Ceci - Karlsson
Phillips - Cowen
Cleasson - Boro
It was a fair trade BUT JVR is injury prone just like Connolly and Armstrong. In my opinion Schenn could have been packaged with MacArthur for Stall who would of been the number one centre they need before they will ever be successful.
FORWARDS
Jakob Silfverberg - Jason Spezza - Milan Michalek
Matt Puempel- Kyle Turris - Mark Stone
Prince Shane- Mika Zibanejad- Stefan Noesen
Nick Foligno - Zack Smith- Chris Neil
Jim O'Brien
DEFENSEMEN
Fredrik Claesson - Erik Karlsson
Jared Cowen - Cody Ceci
Chris Phillips - Patrick Wiercioch
Mark Borowiecki
GOALTENDERS
Robin Lehner
Craig Anderson
cant find the source but yesterday i read that plans for ceci if he doesnt make the big club from the get go, hell be back with the 67's as he said working on his physical game.
Now if he really becomes a physical player then..wow, this kid is going to be challenging for a spot on the top pair soon.
Nash and his wife WANT to play in NY.
Like Heatley he can and will refuse any trade not
involving him going there.
L.Schenn will likely flourish in Philly (in a proper role), now that he's out of the cesspool that is Toronto.
Yeah if Kilrea says he is a Drew Doughty ..I dont see why he wouldnt make it ..Just pair him with a physical defencemen
Ottawa Sens fans- US NTDP F Cam Darcy will be at development camp this week from Southie (South Boston) as an invite. Northeastern recruit
If that's true then fuck him.
Time to step away or risk looking stupid and needy.
Move elsewhere (Ryan) or move forward with what we have.
No need to panick.
GO SENS GO!
Nash has never said he wont play in Ottawa ...Its that Ottawa isnt on his list ..News flash we all knew that ..
This guy isnt telling you anything you dont already know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnNyInvg_TM&feature=player_embedded
What did she say/do?
Nash even had Toronto on his list. He wouldn't be much better off there than he is in Columbus.
I just hope that Columbus isn't using the Sens to increase the 'cost' of Nash. Maybe they know he will not go to Otawa... but are not telling Murray so they can increase the price.
That would be shady business dealings.
So he doesn't want to come to Ottawa? No big deal... would have been great. Seems like the Rangers are trying to 'buy' their Stanley Cup like they did for years before the salary cap came in. Eventually the cap hit will hurt them... but then they are rich and will just bury a contract in the AHL.
Sens tried to move up to grab Ceci.... thinking he would go in the top 10... Murray said they never expected him to still be there at 15th..
Trade for a D ... and continue with the re-build. Screw Nash..
Apparently Howson fired some of his scouts after the draft yesterday...
How are they putting the screws to Ottawa?
Ottawa has a 2013 1st rd pick in a much better draft crop to offer. It's not just about this yr but next yrs pick could be more valuable.
I believe that Howson has not told Murray that Nash does not want to come to Ottawa... just so Murray can keep driving up the price... Sens have really good prospects that could probably get the trade down... other teams will have to up their offer to outbid the Sens... who in reality have no chance at Nash as he won't come here.
As far as I'm concerned it's Nash that's putting the screws to Columbus and Howsen is putting the screws to himself by not accepting what appear to be fairly solid offers from several teams. Also, I don't mind if Howsen is using the Sens offer to drive up the market price for Nash. If Nash ends up in new York or someone else other than Ottawa, I hope they overpay significantly for him.
C'mon lets just get Bogosian and another D-man and we'll be all set. Don't trade any of our young guns!
GREAT clip. Thanks for posting.
Pretty hard to tell which cat ate the canary.
awesome
thanks
WOW - even "Sourpuss Tim" looks happy
Haha took a Sunday off after a busy few days. New post coming tomorrow :)
I think it's safe to assume the Sens have some indication that Nash would be willing to consider Ottawa if other teams on the list don't step up.
I hope you are right chirp thanks for that informatio!
How small is are budget ?
We'll trade a ton of the future for him, and in 2 years, he'll want out of Ottawa too.
I think we need a linemate for Spezza more than anyone, but if one's just not available, then so be it.
There is no #1 centre for JVR to play with...
Leafaroos will have the best "doughnut line" in the NHL
Should be interesting to see who goes for the Sens and who goes for Columbus. Apparently it is in Chicago
What do u mean by the last part?
Maybe a little convincing to Nash if there.
You know what, I am genuinely starting to hope for a lockout...and the sticking issue being these bullshit nmc,ntc etc. Once a team and player make that part of the contract both should be held to it absolutely. If the player demands a trade(like Heatley...and what is becoming of this Nash fiasco) they waive any ans all clauses related to moving..and the GM/owner is free to move them to absolutely anywhere they please.
Its a shame we we don't have interleague traded with the KHL...send some of these mulitmillionair e babies to but fuck nowhere
yeah, that isn't going to work
you are going to see fewer NTCs because of situations like Heatley and Nash and more and more of them will be limited contracts.
I would like to see extra long contracts banned, they are only about reducing cap hit. Make it so that you can only sign somebody for 6 years max.
If its like previous years, it will be going on at the Sensplex in Kanata all week. Anyone can go watch for free. I play hockey at lunch there and they are usually on the ice between 11am and 2pm, depending on the day. You can also go and watch the 3 on 3 rookie tournament the last day.
If you want to trade a prospect or two for D-men I approve.
Not sure what to do when the roles are reversed...I highly doubt most gms start the contract talk like this
"Alright look here hockey player A...I know we haven't agreed to anything yet...but let it be known I will not offer you a contract unless you make it so I can't trade you....hmmm you know what let's make sure its 4 years with absolutely no movement anywhere."
Now given I am not a gm of midget hockey...let alone the NHL, but I genuinely fail to see any situation where a no trade clause is advantageous to the GM/owner.
1. Once they ask for trade all NTM/C are forfitted
2. They have to pay out the rest of their contract and become an UFA (Like a backwards buy-out lol)
we need to move fwd and start targeting some ufa's rather than overspending on nash!, both in terms of salary and trade assets.
I think parenteau and Bryan allen should be he focus over nash....this allows us to not only save money but keep our prospects as well.....
Just my take....
I don't see a way that the nhlpa will allow your suggestion to happen. What we might saee are more NTCs like Heatleys where they turn into a limited NTC at a certain point.
And as for NTCs being advantageous to a GM, I agree they generally are geared towards the player but one advantage would be (and using Spezza as an example). Murray knows he doesn't have to go out and trade for or draft a #1 centre at the moment.
A NTC can help with succession planning.
He signed an 8 year contract on what could have only been from a promise that CBJ was building a contender. They failed miserably and went to him to ask if he'd consider waiving his NTC to kick start yet another rebuild. All he did was say yes, and who wouldn't?
Of course he is going to want to be in control of where he goes. It sucks that Ottawa isn't on his "list" but I also dont think for a second that a trade hasn't happened because he refuses to come here, even if that is what is being speculated. Ottawa made their offer and HOwsen is holding out for a better one.
At least, that is how I see it. Personally, I think this is good because it will lower the asking price. Teams are making their changes and setting their directions for next year. It gets harder to justify adding Nash to that at a 7.8M cap hit.
Sens will either not get him and keep fantastic prospects or get him at the price they are willing to pay. Either way, it works for Ottawa. After all, Sens don't need Rick Nash.
I like Apostle's point; I think maxing out contract lengths at 6 years would go a long way to improve things.
Suter-Karlsson
Cowen-Bogosian
Phillips-Gonchar
Carkner
i understand the thought process. however, carle is not good for the price we will have to pay. I believe his previous cap hit was arround 3.4mill. like it or not, he will be looking for arround 5mill.
Also due to this years free agency being so thin, many teams will really overpay for some players.
(watch jason garrison, he will probably get arround 6mill)
....seriously.. .your getting all butt hurt from a RUMOR that he doesn't want to play for Ottawa?
it be one thing if he flat out said he doesn't want to play for the sens...but in the age we live in where the media just spews shit from their mouth hoping at least 1% of what they say ends up being right...it just doesn't make sense getting butt hurt over it
Also, how many teams can really take on a 6 year, $8 Million cap hit?
I think we have a decent shot at acquiring Nash. I'd get Spezza, Alfredsson and Phillips on the phone. Fly to Nash and talk to him in person if you have to.
Get it done.
Carle is easily worth $5 million considering Suter will get $7. Look at his stats, TOI, and Corsicand the numbers actually show he should be the most sought after UFA Dman. I would have no problem with Murray signing him for five large.
Nash and his wife want him to to play in New York.
Just like Heatley before him Nash will get to go where he wants to.
stats arent everything. Watch him play, you would understand why he isnt worth it.
ever thought why a team like philly are willing to just let him walk.
The ntc issues etc have pissed me off since Heatley as well...so no this has just brought it back to me on a more vested reason
Just read in Ottawa Citizen that Nash is "not interested" in coming to Ottawa. Story from Columbus Dispatch on Sunday.
Why go through all these negotiations to make a deal for a trade , when all along, Houson knew that Ottawa was not on the list of destinations??
Houson should be fired for misrepresentati on , and Nash should be forced to play in Columbus or be suspended with no pay !! These NMC and NTC are simply a farce !!
Hope Nash gets treated like Yashin with "no play - no pay !!
I admit I haven't seen much of his play but I have watched some and don't recall him being a noted liability. if he wasn't very good he wouldn't have led Philly in ice time. Granted, they werent a stellar defensive team but they had terrible goaltending.
Outside of Suter, he is the best defenseman available as UFA this year. I'd sign CArle for 5M.
And I thought Philly was trying to sign him but they couldn't agree on a deal? They are not the most flexible cap team so you can see how a deal may be tough for your #1 dman when Pronger is out. I wouldn't say Philly is "letting him walk."
considering how much people bicker over the validity of basic statistics, I Cant believe ANYBODY would use advanced stats to prove a point
So glad Chirp stays away from them, as Yost seems to get carried away.
so you have to create a system to rate players, based on who they play against... soo how do you rate the players they are playing against???
which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Its a statistic derived from +/- and production of a combination of players. So if Karlsson most common opposition is a line of lucic-seguin-ma rchand who all have ridiculous +/- and stats then their going to favor karlsson qualcomp
No way Murray and Howson spend any time on it if there's really no chance in hell. Murray especially after the Heatley fiasco would know better. Could be a very slim chance but even that is worth looking into. It's not like Murray's not able to inquire about other players at the same time.
Bingo
Yeah and Burke said they'd have drafted whatshisface if they had picked first.
(brace yourself)
GMs sometimes don't tell the press exactly what they're up to. Plus why would he want Nash to believe anything other than "he's our guy"?
The opposite, actually. Said that he had talked to teams about other players. Denied an interest in Ryan but that comment actually seemed kind of tongue-in-cheek .
You have maybe 10 teams that are in the market for a top 6 forward.
Maybe 5 of those teams have cap space and another 5 have assets to acquire a top 6
I really only see Ottawa, Philly and New York as the teams that have both assets and cap space.
Philly and New York have both said no thanks to Nash. So what does waiting for Parise really change?
Pittsburgh/Detroit/Minny who are all reportedly afetr Suter, don't have the assets to shift focus to Nash if parise signs elsewhere
Howsen is just going to lose market value at this point, as the long he waits, the more likelihood Murray lowers his offer
Stupid internet not getting tone across.
Ohh well, either way I am really over Nash, if the rumored offers were nowhere close to enough I wouldn't be happy paying anything more.
So while it's true that at the end of the day that the teams who have a legit shot at Parise are either unlikely (due to lack of assets) or publicly unwilling to trade for Nash, I think there's an element of Nash sort of thinking teams will move mountains to acquire him.
100% speculation on my part and just for discussion - not claiming to know anything.
Keep in mind that Murray has probably spent 10x as much time being interviewed about pursuing Nash than he has actually pursuing him.
He's probably had 2 or 3 calls with Howson to see what he's looking for and put in a offer etc plus a few discussions with his staff to get their take on which prospects they feel are on track and which (if any) they aren't as keen on etc. So it could be a few hours total we're talking about here spread out over a couple of weeks. Plenty of time to kick tires elsewhere.
Now, it is possible that it's taken up a lot more time than that, but considering it appears Howson is just sort of waiting things out I don't think there have been a ton of meetings and conference calls into the wee hours of the morning.
So even if there's the slimmest chance it happens it's not exactly a waste of time.
Any idea why he dropped and what kind of player is he?
I dont know I think they have had more than 2-3 discussions, otherwise Murray would be out of it had it gone sour the first 2-3 calls. Evidentally something has gone right for Murray to still be pursuing this and that Howson or Nash have not publically crossed off the Sens is very interesting...s orry for typos on my phone.
There is nor rush at all, dont know whay people wanted to land him before the draft or like it was a deadline or something, we have all summer to land him.
Murray will get it done, the longer it goes the better for the Sens, lowers CBJs price.
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#Sens prospects Mikael Wikstrand and Mika Zibanejad selected for the Swe U20 team's summer camp leading up to the World Juniors in Ufa.
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@CBJProspects The only Euro pick, Mikael Wikstrand is flying back to Europe, picking up his gear and basically flying right back.
Apparently Stefan is going to write up something more detailed soon.
They totally could have of course, but nothing has to "go sour" for it to be only 3 calls. CBJ set the price, Murray made an offer, CBJ said "we'll let you know" and there it sits. Once it was confirmed that no picks were involved the urgency dropped off and both side seem to feel like there's an "okay" deal there but are waiting to see if things change.