Here is the link to the podcast with Jeff Rimer. His comments on the Senators come around the 18 minute mark. Michael Russo, a beat writer with the Minnesota Wild, also includes Ottawa on the list of suitors for Rick Nash.
As we know, the price for Nash is expected to be sky high. In the end, it may be too rich for the Sens blood especially with the New York Rangers seemingly desperate to get a deal done.
The Rangers have the obvious advantage of being on the list of preferred destinations submitted by Nash. There has been no word, one way or the other, on if Nash would even accept a trade to Ottawa but it’s possible Howson may be looking to negotiate with teams outside of the list.
I get the sense that right now the asking price is too rich for the Sens blood. Columbus may have to lower their demands if they want to get a deal done this week but as we saw at the deadline, Howson is more than willing to hold on to Nash if he can't get the right deal.
Nash may not be the only top six forward on the market this weekend either with the names of Jordan Staal, Bobby Ryan, Patrick Marleau, and TJ Oshie all being tossed around.
Meanwhile, Murray and his staff have a few other things to consider this week. A quick overview of the things to watch for…
- As Ian Mendes pointed out on Twitter, Daniel Alfredsson is expected to address the media at some point over the next couple of days. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’s ready to give a decision but it will be very interesting to hear what the Captain has to say.
- Negotiations are expected to heat up with RFA defenceman Erik Karlsson in the next couple of days. The two sides are expected to get together mid-week to discuss specifics. It has been said often, but I really don’t expect this negotiation to drag on.
- Mentioned this yesterday, but the Senators are definitely interested in retaining defenceman Matt Carkner and have made an offer to the rugged defenceman.
- Should be an interesting week around here. As always, updates will appear at the top of the post and be sure to follow me on Twitter @SensChirp for all the latest.
Oshie is interesting as a bit of a depth signing - not the impact guy that Nash/Ryan would be of course. Though Oshie only has 3 points in 13 career playoff games - ouch.
My feeling on Karlsson is that they basically have or will very soon have two handshake agreements in place. One for if he wins the Norris, one for if he doesn't and they'll officially sign/announce at the end of the week.
I really hope we find a way to get Ryan....Chirp are you actually hearing he is being shopped or is my borderline obsessive posting about him the closest thing to a source haha
I've heard his name bounced around since pre-deadline. If you look at that Russo article, he mentions Ryan in there. Actually lists Getzlaf as well.
I don't mind overpaying by a draft pick, but nothing more than than that. I would rather have Bobby Ryan or Patrick Marleau to be honest...
Marleau is on a much better deal for the next two years, and is still not too old to be a difference maker. Nash is just a huge committment for a lot of years...
It all depends on the approach Murray wants to take. Spezza is due for resigning soon too...
I'd support acquiring Marleau or Ryan, as long as the price is not too high. The Sens are deep at forward, but an experienced top six would be nice.
Nice to be in the running for Nash, but I fear the price will be much too high. Walk away, Bryan. Please!
Not sure on Oshie, don't know him that well. Jordan Staal is a great 3rd liner, but the Sens are very deep down there. Pass (not because I don't like him, but because of the depth).
Karlsson will be signed next week Monday (I hope, so I can win Chirp's contest). Five years, $6.5 cap hit.
I like pie.
Any news on Suter or acquiring another decent D-man, Chirp?
Jordan Staal a third liner? Are you serious? If the Sens could get Staal, adios Turris or welcome to the third line.
My order
Ryan
Staal
Marleau
Nash
And its basically 100% based on benefits vs cost to acquire imo
Yeah if we acquire Staal then Turris (or maybe Staal) moves to the wing. But given that, not sure it's worth it unless some scout or coach knows that one of those guys would excel on the wing. I'd almost pass on Staal just because I'd rather target a winger directly than manufacture one by signing another C and move a guy to wing.
But yeah, he's not a third liner on just about any other team.
We got Karlsson contract to get done
Alfie decision
Trades heating up
UFA coming up
I say take a look at Penner for 3 years maybe 4 to 5 mill per
Get one off Ryan/Nash
Draft D
Not to burst any bubbles, but there's a good reason Ryan hasn't been dealt either. The trade cost requested by Anaheim was well above what teams were willing to pay.
A lot of people seem to think Ryan will come so much cheaper than Nash, but I highly doubt it from what I've heard out there. Maybe 1 less late pick/prospect, but it's not like they'd trade him for 1 prospect compared to 4 for Nash.
Seems Pitsburgh, LA, Boston and New York seem to be doing great with 2 top line centermans
Turris played well with Spezza a few times, maybe he could shift to the wing. Though I think the price to get Staal given our current position at C, is probably not worth it. I'd rather see a top 3 winger or top 4 D. I hope Staal does land somewhere though where he can man the 1st or 2nd line, he really does have the skill for it.
NO THANKS!
I was going to post those exact words...
we have people we can trade and as long as we dont over pay im happy to welcome anyone of them aboard to this team
How do you swoop in before everyone else though? These days when you talk about players that have been on the block since before the trade deadline I don't think you can catch the league by surprise by offering for a player no one thought was available ... at least with respect to Ryan or Nash or Staal or any of the ones that are known to be on the block. By this point all interested teams have at least kicked the tires on him, so we aren't getting a "only team to send an offer" type of discount in my opinion.
Id trade for Oshie before I trade for Nash to be honest
Oshie plays with grit, can play wing or centre, and is just coming into his own. He had a career year last year and is just getting better.
19g 35a, 54pts in 80gp, with a +15
He is defensively reliable and would compliment Turris exceptionally well.
Ah ok, I get what you're saying. Act like he's our main target so Anaheim takes us the most seriously and just gets it over with. If it can work out that way, it would be great.
Really, for me, I don't care too much who it is between Nash, Kane, the other Kane, Parise and Ryan, as long as we get 1 of them!
I would take Oshie or Ryan prior.
GO SENS GO!!!!!!!!!
I don't think people understand that not all of our porspects will end up on our roster.
I also don't think people understand how nuts Spezza and Nash would be together.
Get Nash!! I trust Bryan Murray. When he wants something he usually outbids people. Aka Gonchar, Turris, Bishop
Now they get a full year with Boudreau and hopefully Hiller returns to form
Very unlikely Perry, Getzlaf and Ryan all under achieve again. It makes no sense to trade Ryan now, especially since the shock value is gone
I would also love Oshie. He is a beast. But Nash is quite simply a better version of Oshie. A 1st liner as opposed to a 2nd liner.
Nash plays with just as much grit as T.J but scores on a very consistent basis. He has never had a true playmaking centre to play with. When he does(team Canada stuff) he destroys. And he has already done this with Soezza. The difference in price to aquire between Nash and Oshie wouldnt even be hat big either
I think Nash would be ideal. We can't allow Soezza to play with rookies or over matched role players on the 1st line anymore. We are wasting his unbelievable talent
Get Nash!!
With Jackman off the market, Kuba just started looking a lot better. I wouldn't want to win the bidding war for Allen. I'd like Allen on the team, but not at the likely cat hit he'll sign for.
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Expect San Jose Sharks to announce an agreement with veteran D-man, Brad Stuart today or tomorrow. 3 year term.
I don't think anyone expected Stuart to not sign in California, specifically Sharks. Wasn't on too many teams list as a result
Rick Nash if not Nash
Attempt for Praise
Bobby Ryan
Because the Ducks are not going to trade Bobby Ryan
Oshie or Perron
If neither are available
Contact the Oilers/Islanders
Magnus P, Eberle, Okoposo, Hemsky, Gagner, Grabner they have all been rumoured to be for sale at various times throughout the past year. Some are better then others, and some mainly Eberle I don't think are really for sale just a numbers game when you see hall rnh eberle ganger (yakopov) hemsky all in top six and some going to be getting biggg raises around the same time.
On D
Bouwmeester and Aucion are the two guys I want
More long term guy and a SOLID vet who would be a great mentor
It was talked about on the wire .. Ottawa has a offer in right now that includes 2 NHL ready prospect 1st overall 2012 roster player
Jordan Staal- Depends on Crosbys contract
Bobby Ryan- Murray said not moving him
Patrick Marleau.. NMC doesnt wanna play anywhere but SJ
TJ Oshie- He isnt going anywhere
wow where to begin. First off, I can't even understand you
Second, Eberle has never will never be involved in trade discussions
Thirdly, again what? Learn how to use the "enter" button
Good for him!
This would give us three top 2 centers... It's not a horrible situation, but it's not the best appraoch at this time. I'd rather a top 6 LW... Ryan, Parise, Nash, Marleau
Pure skill/points Nash is the best option for Ottawa. Contract value and trade requirement to land the player puts Oshie as the better choice. I for one think Nash, even being the bigger contract, is the best option and gives us a true 1st line winger with a little more durability over his NHL career. Oshie would be considered more a 2nd liner, with possible 1st line duties from time to time IMO.
While I think Marleau can still do the job, he's one of those guys who is great in the regular season but the wheels tend to fall off in the playoffs and he just doesn't bring any real grit. Not the punch our new look Sens need.
I can understand the Rangers being desperate but scoring isn't a problem for Ottawa and all our prospects coming up are skilled guys who are going to make us a higher scoring team eventually. Nash guarantees more scoring next year but in two years, we lose scoring with him considering what we would give up. we need to keep pucks out, not put more in and that should be the focus for any trade.
The most I would do for Nash is 1st, Stone and one of Bishop/Michalek /Foligno which likely wont get it done.
I gotta ask, would people give the same for Kessel or Gaborik? I don't see a difference in these players other than Nash being much bigger but he doesn't use his size anyway, other than driving to the net. And before you say it, Kessel and Gaborik havent played with great players either (Richards in NYR last year notwithstanding )
According to TSN, the San Jose Sharks are days away from announcing signing D Brad Stuart to a 3 year deal. #NHL
A) Trade for Nash - Zibanejad Pumepel Bishop Foligno 1st 2012
B) Trade Smith to Chi for Hjalmarsson
C) Might be a shocker Sign Jagr 20 goals last year 50 plus points in 70 games ..Brings Experience and another game changer for PP 5/5 and in locker room
I think we could win the Cup with that Line up
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Rick Nash / Jason Spezza / Mark Stone
Jakob Silfverberg / Kyle Turris / Daniel Alfredsson
Milan Michalek / Peter Regin / Jaromir Jagr
Colin Greening / Jim O'Brien / Chris Neil
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Matt Carkner ($0.700m)
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Robin Lehner ($0.870m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,254,167; BONUSES: $720,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $10,045,833
The original offer BM wouldn't do for Nash was Zibanejad, Stone, our 1st and a roster player, so we can stop with trades that involve even more players.
But reports say Murray is still interested, then I would tend to believe Murray has no problem parting with at leats one of stone/Zibanejad and its the roster player that is troubling Murray?
Source?
I think it's the overall package that was just too much.
I'm sure he'd consider Michalek plus our 1st or Zibanejad and Stone for Nash, but to have all 4 is a bit on the steep side.
Ideally I am hoping for a final offer somewhere around Puempel, Bishop, 1st and 1 of Silverber/Stone /Zibanejad, but I realize that might be wishful thinking as Columbus will want guaranteed prospects/roste r players and not necessarily the high risk ones.
I really do believe that Columbus will want more NHL ready players with an established pedigree. With a market like Columbus I don't think they can sell the fanbase on prospects and rebuilding. They will need at least 1 if not 2 players in return that can "sell" the fans on the trade.
For this reason, Michalek becomes crucial in the deal. But IMO it would be a lateral move if include Michalek, because then our top 6 is just a one in one out deal.
The only way a deal for Nash makes sense for us, is if we can keep michalek as well.
Foligno has to become the roster player., and I'm not sure if thats enough for Columbus
If I am Murray I tell him to add Methot or pick #31 and I'll think about it.
It's been mentioned on just about every Sens site or rumor site. Some mention Garrioch as an original source back at the deadline, but I've heard that price mentioned elsewhere and it's in line with what we've heard in the media about the Nash asking price.
Yikes. So a guess that several people think is reasonable then?
Not ragging on you but I wouldn't consider that "offer" to be confirmed at all.
But if it is, glad Murray said no.
Well not exactly. If we can get Nash and keep Michalek then it's a homerun for us for sure.
But if we could somehow get Nash for Michalek, Peumpel and our first then we'd do it in a second. Of course, we immediately need to find a second line winger but we're at least a step closer to where we want to be.
That makes a lot of sense, they need someone who can be the face of the franchise. I really hope that roster player turns out to be Bishop though. I wouldn't do much more than Michalek and 1 more piece for Nash as both are proven scorers and known commodities so the price for that upgrade shouldn't be through the roof. And if it is, BM will just walk away, I'm confident in that.
On the other hand if we could do something like Puempel, Michalek, Bishop, roster player and our 1st for Nash and their 1st, I'd be a bit more willing to give up 2 good forwards as we'd get the D guy we need as well at their pick.
As I said, not the only source. I know how you feel about Garrioch, I share those same feelings, but even a broken clock is right twice a day!
Smith and Petersson for Hjarmalsson
and then offer to St. Louis:
Puemple and 1st for Oshie (prob seems like overpayment but its fair IMO)
we could then roll:
Michalek-Spezza-Silf
Oshie-Turris-Alfie
Foligno-Regin-Greening
Condra-O'Brien-Neil
Karlsson-Cowen
Gonchar-Hjalmarsson
Phillips-Carkner/Boro
It would be really stupid to trade Gonchar
Why?
He only has one year left on his contract. We have no real prospects to replace him. We aren't in cap trouble
Very limited D-men avail on the market as you allude to, so who do we replace him with?
Other rumours out there say he wants to go to a smaller market. If that is the case.. the Rangers are out. Or maybe it's more of a non-hockey market.. That could end up being the Ducks or the Sharks... or a dark horse could be the Florida Panthers... Just my thoughts.
Jorden Staal if traded probably goes to the Hurricanes.
With the announcement today that the NHL may be taking over the NJ Devils... Parise is probably going to July 1st.
If the Sens are going after a veteran forward... I would want Iginla. He is skilled and plays with grit. Marleau is skilled and soft... So no to Marleau.
Bob MacKenzie's final draft rankings tonight, mock draft on TSN tomorrow night, NHL awards on Wed., another TSN draft special on Thursday.. and the NHL draft on Friday. Lots of hockey talk this week.
Also I read on HB -- a philly fan has said it's been reported that Matt Carle has re-signed with Philly but won't be completed until July 1. If so, another decent D off the market.
Just a question to see if there might be some interest elsewhere...
Well it's got more chance of being accurate than some other rumors, but with twitter these days something can be 100% made up and if enough people think it's plausible it suddenly becomes "confirmed".
I'm not faulting you or saying this one isn't true - can't say that any more than we can say it IS true - just saying we shouldn't put too much stock in this.
Hopefully Nash trade happens soon so we can all see what he's really worth.
Darn, too bad. Would have loved to have been able to sign either Carle or Jackman. all the more reason to forget about Nash and focus on trading for a top 4 d-man.
I liked the 1st offer. My first thought was, like you, to say Puempel and our 1st for Oshie is an overpayment, but if Puempel let's say doesn't have much of an NHL career and our 1st is in 2013 when we're a top 12 team then it does make some sense. BM would have to be 100% sure though that Oshie will realize his potential, which seems a bit up in the air right now. Just my opinion though.
Well as Alcatraz pointed out, in order to move Gonchar we'd need to trade for or sign someone to replace him. Though if we can do all of that then great. But with one more year on his deal I don't know that it's urgent.
Agreed, and the stock I'm putting into it has nothing to do with who reported it or how many re-tweets it got, but instead how close it is to what GMs and reliable media types have hinted at the price being. The only "different" realistic price for Nash I've heard out there was 2 prospects and 2 roster players, which is still the same neighborhood in my opinion.
At least from this we know it's not going to be Michalek, 3 top prospects, Lehner and our 1st (for example). Just wanted to quash those ridiculously high offers being suggested.
Well there are two phases to it. The initial ask comes down a bit when GMs say "yeah, no thanks" to the 3 prospects plus 1st plus 2 roster players thing, but then when the bidding war starts it may get that high again or even higher.
Some GMs are not very smart.
I am a lifelong Wings fan; I have watched Hudler closly his entire career and am not a huge fan. He is a great player when he is on but I have been hoping he doesnt return to Detroit. So, obviously, I don't want him to sign in Ottawa either. Mainly because he pulls disappearing acts after he signs contracts and I guestion his loyalty and commitment as well.
Also, Paul MacLean may not like him much either. PM's last season in Detroit was when Hudler stunk. And that was after Detroit gave him another chance after taking off to the KHL for a bigger contract.
I see him and Ville Leino as close comparisons and that Leino contract in Buffalo is one I am sure glad Ottawa doesnt own. Personally, too much risk in signing Hudler and he is likely going to sign b/w 4-5M per year for 3-5 years.
I'd take Gaborik but NOT Kessel. Gaborik has been to the third round was playing injured as well.
Why the rush to make all these trades?
STAY THE COURSE. Use our own guys, don't add FA don't trade unless we get a YOUNG (18-22) player back. It's about the future, not the here and now people!
We replace internally, which should be the word from now on.
Only when we are a true contender (1st in the East throughout the year, defensively sound) do we make a move.
Stay the course!
and when you say internally, who are you referring to?
Zibanejad, Lehner, DaCosta and 15th overall.
I'd add another player to get their 1st #30 overall they got from LA.
This gives Ottawa a perfect chance to compete in Alfredsson's final TWO seasons as he tries to cap his career with Olympic gold and a Stanley Cup in 2014.
C-Mac
So this is your top 6?
Cowen-Karlssson
Phillips-Carkner
Boroweicki-Gryba
Yikes.
Plus this would still leave us with Silfverberg, Stone, Noesen, Puempel, Prince and Pageau for the rebuild whiners.
No doubt we need a defenseman or two...
But sell half the farm for one player is definitely not the best thing either.
Not half the farm for sure - but if we can do it for 1/4 the farm (i.e. leave us where our farm system is still considered in good shape) it can be worth it.
Ottawa for two weeks! #sens https://twitter.com/DarrenKramer22/status/214811446104690692/photo/1
so close to the dev camp!
I'm sure Murray can wangle to not include him in a deal.
Yost has just put up an article on the Sens possible interest in SJ Douglas Murray. With the proposed signing of Stuart in SJ... does that make Douglas Murray available?
I'd sooner see the Sens give up a lot in a trade for a top defensive defensemen... than go for Nash right now. The big need is on D.. to get down the goals against...
With Stuart signing, most folks assume Douglas Murray may be available now.
And Columbus is apparently looking for real players in return for Nash. I don't think they can market draft picks to their fan base so they need someone who can play 82 games next season (or two people), someone who they can hype for the future (or two) and then maybe they'll want a draft pick tossed in - but I would think it would have to be for this year so they an turn that pick into a real person right away.
If they traded Nash for Toronto's next 15 first round picks I don't think they'd last another year in Columbus before attendance dropped to 30%. Even though that trade would be great for them
I'd Prefer Hjarmslson over Murray due to age and injury history. Hjarmslson also played very well with Brian Campbell during the Blackhawks cup run which leads me to believe he would pair well with Karlson. Murray is a beast when healthy but has no value except in his own zone. He'd be great for the PK, but he isn't even an option to accept a pass in the offensive zone. Hjarmslson can at least move the puck to his partner and hold the offensive blue line if Karlson dishes him the puck.
It was only 1 year of underachievemen t that sent us into the rebuild in the first place, so maybe it balances out ;)
In all seriousness though, a rebuild has no pre-defined timeline as it depends on the speed at which prospects progress as well as how many of them become NHL players. If you look at the players that have come up the system, it's obvious our rebuild didn't just start last year, but last year was the first year the fans had the rebuild mindset. This will be one of the faster rebuilds though and that's been the word from Management since the beginning. They didn't even want to term it a rebuild at first because really it isn't, you don't start a rebuild with all the key players we already had.
Zibanejad, Lehner, DaCosta and 15th overall?
Puempel, Michalek, Foligno, Bishop, 15th overall?
Zibanejad, Stone, 15th overall, Michalek?
Zibanejad Pumepel Bishop Foligno 1st 2012?
Personally I think those deals would dig our graves after the first couple of years... Seriously, the majority of you want to deal Zibad? why? Wait at least another season to see how he develops before making such a harsh decision on a bluechipper like him... and whats this about dealing Bishop/Lehner? Fans have been crying for decades to get some decent tenders and depth in that position, now that we have it, half of you want to get rid of it... Now Michalek and Foligno are starting to show their stuff, and you want to get rid of them? Foligno, I can maybe understand but Michalek?
I personnally wouldn't offer more then our 15th, Foligno, Puemple and a second or third in a later year... anything else, and I would let some other team destroy their team to get him. But that is just me...
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=398648
Totally agree. I can't believe there are sane people commenting that they would be all right with trading a quarter of our prospects for one overrated player and keep a straight face.
Go back one year and I'll bet some of these same people were crying for the team to "Fail for Nail". One playoff appearance and instead we're loading up for a cup run.
Well said
Why are you ok dealing Foligno or Puempel but not Zibanejad? You can't deal a prospect for the same price after everyone knows his ceiling isn't as high as anticipated and all 3 still have plenty of room for growth or disappointment.
Also the deals you quoted are all at the level we've already indicated BM has said no to, so I think it goes without saying that most of us are not ok with paying that much either. I think the general idea is that we know BM won't drastically overpay, but if there's a shot at a reasonable deal with only slight overpayment to get a player like Nash he'll consider it and we'd be happy. Just trust the GM here to do his job, and so far by kicking the tires that's what he's doing.
+1
It's not even that I don't like Rick Nash. I would love to see him play on our team, especially with Spezza. But, I wouldn't do whatever it takes to get him.
For me, the price is just way too damn high. Because when you think about it, at the end of the day, he's just one player. Acquiring Rick Nash, would still leave holes in our top 6 because of what we'd give up. Actually, getting Rick Nash would probably create more holes in the roster.
I just don't think we're that desperate.
To Columbus: Silfverberg, Foligno, Butler, Bishop & 2013 1st rd pick
To Ottawa: Rick Nash LW
Columbus gets two potential top 6 wingers in Foligno & Silfverberg & maybe a 3rd in Butler. Butler has played top 6 in Ottawa (a better team) this past season, so has Foligno & most people believe Silfverberg is a top 6 talent. If they are in Ottawa this fall they would all be on the team & likely on Ottawa's top 6. Bishop was arguably the best AHL goalie last yr & could challenge for the #1 job in Columbus. Plus they would also get a valuable 1st rd pick for next season giving them two first rd picks again.
That's a very reasonable offer for Nash. If they want more than that than I wouldn't make the deal, I would not include Lehner, Stone, Noesen or Zibanejad. I would include any of our small forwards though like Petersson, Da Costa, Pageau, Condra or Prince if they would take one of those to seal the deal.
Why? In my opinion, Zibanejad still has potential of being a first liner... if not a fantastic 2nd liner at worst. Foligno and Puempel are more likely 2nd liners at best (nothing wrong with that btw) and have the possibilty of playing in the bottom 6. Puempel might prove me wrong, but from what I've heard his ceiling is on the 2nd line. All three have some potential that is for sure, but we shouldnt be giving up on a 18/19 year old who still has very good potential to become a staple on the 1st line. Develop him another year to get a better gauge then decide... Its too early to make such a big decision on your #1 first line prospect.
What damage ?
We are destroying a rebuild ? what how ? What holes ?
It will cost too much ? Murray is willing to trade parts that took him one summer to create ..lol Relax children
The core now playing is 27 and under ... Not bad if you ask me ..
Not everyone considers Zibanejad our best prospect, so I can understand if you do then why it would be harder for you. Puempel I see as sniper, either top 6 or bust. Zibanejad will play in the NHL, but could be a 2nd or 3rd liner, so far I don't see much 1st line stuff from him but he's very very young and raw still.
I get it, and I guess since I'm not higher on 1 or the other I'm more willing to trade any of them. (aside from Noesen of course, who hasn't been mentioned and I'm really high on)
Also, I don't see where Zib will fit in next year. Are we going to move him to the wing? Otherwise we are pretty deep in the 3rd and 4th line center positions and I don't think that's the role we want Zib to play anyway. Does having Turris make Zib expendable? Who would you rather? IMO I'd be Turis all day and twice on Sunday.
How can the most offensively gifted goal scorer in last year's draft have 2nd line ceiling? If not for Matt's injury he would have been a top 15 pick.
We are very lucky to have him and the day Ottawa trades him we give up a prospect with huge upside.
The awesomeness of our Captain.
The one and only.
well, as 2 of them are already signed to one way contracts that isn't going to happen
Phillips and Volchenkov as our 3rd pairing defenseman would be amazing they would get the lower 5 on 5 minutes but would get a lot of PK time, hard to score with the A Train on the ice as he blocks everything.
Karlsson-Cowen
Gonchar-Carkner
Phillips-Volchenkov
Phillips is showing his offensive side under Maclean so I think our Defense would be solid yet still be very mobile with this lineup. Carkner I would rather replace with the resigning of Kuba but we will see what happens. I think we would be fine icing this lineup, or but Borocop or Weirchoich in place of Carkner to see if they can do the job, Borocop looked very comfortable with the games he played as he does not mind playing a hard nose game and taking care of business in his own end. We will see what happens just my 2 cents
Imo, it's Bishop before Lehner.
Why in God's name Murray would be inclined to move either though, is beyond me.
Probably why they invited so many goalies in. As they say a lot of the deals that may happen have had ground work laid for months. I sure hope it's not Lehner though, especially if our 1st is included too.
But wasn't the whole point of trading for bishop was to add to our goaltending depth which was lacking at the time? Why trade one of them, both of whom are good goaltenders, for a pick, and then draft a goalie that will take even longer to develop?
It just doesn't make any sense.
The Sens need to stay away from all this Nash, trading assets, trading goalies business and just stick to what has been working. Develop and cultivate.
I guess Murray is serious if their is talk of moving Lehner or Bishop. I agree, I hope it is not Lehner.
I do like the idea of adding a Hjalmarsson or Murray. I don't think would be top pairing defenseman, but someone to play with Sergei for a year while killing some penalties as a stop gap for another season or two. Shouldn't take TOO much to acquire these guys from a dwindling defenseman market.
I'd rather keep our young inexpensive players and see how they develop. Zibanejad could be just as good as Nash and he's far younger. Throwing away our goaltender depth and our first rounder in addition to that (which is what it would cost) just isn't worth it to me.
We don't even know what's going to happen with Kuba and Gonchar. Those two guys who played very well in our top four last year. How will the team even respond to losing half of it's big minute defenders in the coming years. Alfie isn't going to be around forever. I don't think the franchise is in a position to go for broke right now. Right now the best thing to do is sit and let the assets mature. Find out what you've got before giving it away.
Personally, I just think it's only worth it to trade potential young stars like Zibanejad+ if you're putting yourself in a serious window to be a Stanley Cup Contender for 2-3 years by doing so. Given what we'd have to give up I'm not sure Nash gets us that much closer. Ottawa is going to be a solid team and is going to battle but it's not a certainty that we're ready to contend yet. Still need to let those young assets mature and see what we have over the next couple years.
I think also he showed that in the AHL playoffs coming in Cold in the 1st series and backstop his team to an Calder cup and a MVP award. He has struggled in the minors a bit but he thinks and is probably right he deserves to be in the NHL right now as a backup to fight for a job.
Trade Bishop for a late 1st round pick and then draft a goalie with that pick. Then have Lehner and Anderson share the duties this year. This kid is only 20 years old and he was outstading in his 5 games he played in the NHL last season. He went 3-2-0 with a 2.01 GAA and a .935 save% and 1 shutout. A 20 year old did that at the NHL level like wow.
Exactly,my thoughts as well. Throw in Methot, and now we are talking a bit more.
Couldn't agree anymore with TyrantWeeeeeee.
Although goal scoring is always wanted, it is not the Senators' biggest need. We were one of the easiest teams to forecheck against last season, our defence was distasteful. Let's focus on acquiring better top 4 defensive punch, that is what we need.
Usually teams that bolt for big names like Nash, are teams that are almost complete, considered contenders, and need that extra. You seldom see rebuilding teams go for guys like these. I'm not really sure that getting Nash would entitle us as contenders.
Wait until the team is solid from top to bottom, before making the move for a player like Rick Nash.
I disagree with this point of view for the most part (agree about our defence though). Defence is important but, what should we wait for? Nash and Spezza have chemistry. We have seen this happen at the WC. But waiting for our youngsters to develop is also a risk. We may always be waiting for them to develop (see Foligno). Value is a funny thing, but 1st line wingers who have chemistry with Spezza don't come along very often. You have to listen, and perhaps even go for it.
I too have grown somewhat attached to some of our prospects, just because of the extra coverage the draft gets these days, and it is very exciting to see some of the young prospects we have, but we also saw that having a good prospect is a very important trading piece vis-a-vis the Turris-Rundblad trade. The more assets you have in the system make even contemplating trading for Nash possible. Without the pieces, we are not even at the table.
I say go for it if we can.
KJ
I think having a team that has good 3 lines, is much better than one that only has 1. Sure Rick Nash would look good playing with Spezza. At the same time, he was also supposed to look good playing with Jeff Carter. Look how that worked out.
What I'm trying to say is, although Nash is tempting, it would centralise our talent a lot more and make us a 1 line team. Sound familiar?
Let the prospects develop, see where they are in a couple years, assess what we have, and make the appropriate moves then.
The Sens are in no rush whatsoever.
And with all the pro-Nash talk, the reality is that the Sens are still an outside chance
Every single time? no exceptions or lulls in the down time? Is there the same consistency in the downtime for others?
"Blue Jackets Captain Rick Nash to be moved this week, with the New York Rangers, Toronto Maple Leafs, San Jose Sharks, Philadelphia Flyers and Carolina Hurricanes, among others, listed as the favorites to land his services."
NYR considered the strong favourites at this point. If that many teams are interested, my guess it it would take a very sweet deal to snag Nash.
Please no...
There has never been a better opportunity to acquire top line talent, and if we don't at least make a serious run at any of these names, we're going to be regretting it for years to come. We have a great group of prospects, and any one of them could be a super star. Or, any one of them could be a bust. We just don't know yet. What we do know, is the quality of the names that are out there now.
Someone above said that it would make us a one-line team, and doesn't that sound familiar. Yes, it does. It reminds me of the year we went to the cup final: something we haven't done before or since, btw.
If Rick Nash the one missing piece we need for a cup run? Maybe not. But comparatively speaking, can we ever hope to win a cup without a star like that? It's not like we're getting someone for a one year term. The player we would acquire woud be on our team for years to come. How can we realistically pass up this opportunity?
Forwards we still have silfverberg, puemple, noeson, prince, pageau (assuming we give up either zibby or stone)
I don't think the defense prospects will be involved but we would only be losing one piece
Goalies: we would lose bishop/lehner which isn't too bad as we can draft a goalie and sign a goalie for bingo
Throwing Methot in is the same as San Jose forcing Cheechoo down Murray's throat. HUGE MISTAKE! Yes, I know he is from Ottawa, whoop dee freakin doo! Who cares! Methot is an overpaid pylon and you would all hate him.
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Few other people with issues are on Bell as well.
When it comes to this scenario of trading for Nash, I look at it as more of an opportunity for Ottawa to continue building a great team for many years. Yes, I like what Ottawa has done and how they have drafted, it's been an amazing journey the last few years. But as fans we have to be realists. Our prospect pool is so large up front, we cannot realistically expect everyone of them to become a star or land a full time position on this team. As much as we all want to see it happen, it's mathematically improbable. I would think most teams draft with an understanding that at some point, a few of these prospects may need to be used in trade scenarios.
I think it's fair to say that Nash, being the calibre of player he is, is far ahead of any prospect we have when it comes to talent. I think most will agree that it's a good chance none of our prospects will reach his level. Thumbs down all you like, but it's a fair assumption.
Do I want to see Ottawa sell the farm, well no. But our Farm is good, we have a long list of prospects who could be used as a package to help bring in a guy like Nash. The real issue is using up current roster players. But as we've seen in the past, other teams have managed to fill those holes with more seasoned vets with reasonable contracts. So I wouldn't worry too much about that.
I'd like to think that the coaching staff, if making an offer, will do what it can to maintain what it considers to be it's best prospects for our future. And at the same time moving a few players it feels they could replace in the open market.
But I've said this before. If Ottawa does nothing, I won't be upset either, because I do like the path we are on.
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Instead he might think; you know, this team really needs a top 4 guy on D to make us a better all around team. Heck, we are already the 4th highest scoring team in the league. If we can keep more pucks out, we're better off.
If we get Nash, fine, really good player. But we'd be getting him for the sake of getting him. And we lose assets we need to get a legit defensemen which is way more important and would make us a better team.
Agreed. Matt Puempel is one of our best prospects and has been overlooked because of his injury. He's probably the most pure goal scoring young asset that we've drafted in years.
There was a reason why they traded up to get this guy. Why would they be willing to get rid of him so quickly?
I said it before, the moment Ott trades Matt they give up on one of the best offensive prospects in the league.
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Our team finished 4th in goals for, and 24th in goals against. therefore, we should acquire a goal scorer?
We finished 11th on the PP, but 20th in PK. Therefore we should acquire a goal scorer who would do work on the PP?
I don't agree with that logic. our organization is weakest on D, we should shore that up before making any other moves.
What about the Euge's recent penny pinching do people not understand? He ain't signing Karlsson for $7 mil then bringing in Rick Nash.
LOL and he's so right. It's funny to think people believe this is really going to happen. We're not getting Nash.
Let's get a top 4 D first before we even think about big name players like that. This team was horrible defensively last year.
I personally would preferred drafting offense and signing defense...but I can't really think of anyone that is being made readily available
Bishop+Prospect?
Also, I agree with LordAlfie11. We didn't have trouble scoring goals, we had trouble preventing them. Our focus should be upgrading the blueline.
Would you guys do "the proposed" Smith for Hjalmarsson?
Not entirely sure.
I think to get a defenceman, Murray is considering the trade route.
The Hjalmarsson rumors are apparently accurate.
I don't have any problem drafting defencemen. We drafted Erik Karlsson, didn't we? Too many good D prospects this year to pass up.
I was just gunna post this as well regarding Pavelec potentially bouncing to KHL
If we want Kane we will have to trade Lehner I think
Lehner and 2nd for Kane
or
Bishop and 1st for Kane
Pick your posion
@ Jason,
This is the most logical take, on what the Ottawa Senators need to fix,a top 4 defenceman, to improve the team in 2012-2013 !!
We have enough young forward prospects, to fill the need
to play with Spezza ( Silverberg, Stone etc........)
Nash is simply not worth 4-5 players !!!!!!
Precisely.
I'd rather have Lehner than Bishop, so Bishop+1st wouldn't be that hard to stomache.
Kane would look real good beside Spezza...
I agree on the D front, I would be all over getting a better D core built, then shopping for a scoring winger, but it's been mentioned that BM wants both. So naturally the Nash talk is big. But from a D side, Hjalmarsson is the biggest name rumoured to us, the other that has come up in the past is Zbynek Michalek. Are they looking to shop, no I don't think so. But for the right price, he could be made available. It was mentioned again on the Team by McGuire that Pitts has a very good core of up and coming D and they could be looking to shed some salary to bring 1 or 2 of these guys up. Hard to say what the price would be, a prospect and pick I'd guess?
Fun fact: The Senators finished 4th in the NHL in goals per game last season, 24th in GA/G. They need a stud defenceman, not Rick Nash.
Exactly. While the free agent market is poor for defensemen, I would consider bringing in Adrian Aucoin on a one year deal as a bottom pairing guy, and would try to make a Kyle Turris like deal, where we trade a forward prospect for another teams defense prospect.
We are one year removed form being one of the worst offensive teams. Yes Maclean has opened up the system but keep in mind we had a career year from Greening/Smith/ Michalek/Karlss on/Spezza/Folig no in terms of goals for
One would argue that some of those names will stay somewhat consistent (spezza/karlsso n) some are due for regression (greening/micha lek) and some are unpredictable (smith/foligno)
We aren't a powerhouse offensive team (as seen in playoffs) and reality is still if you shut down Karlsson and Spezza you shut down our offense.
Thats why having another bonofide star forward would make us that much more consistent, and powerful
We are not going to out score our opponents every night. And on nights where we are not scoring, we need to rely on Andy to bail us out because as you've seen, our D has been atrocious as times. We can't leave our goalies out to dry as we've done this past year.
Look at what's become of the Caps (high scoring), Ducks, and Tampa (arguable, but Stamkos..) are all teams that dominated with huge firepower... only to be exposed defensively.
I'm not denying that
with karlsson/goncha r/phillips/cowe n we are doing somewhat ok
By going after Nash does not limit our ability to trade for hjarmalsson or bring in a solid vet such as aucoin/allen or even go trade route for douglas murray etc
My opinion on bringing in Nash should have no bearing on our defense as I don't believe we need to be in the market to leverage our prospects to get a star defensemen since we already have two in Karlsson and Cowen and history shows, no team pays more than 2 dmen over 5 mill which both will end up earning. Look at nashville
smith+peterrson for hjarmalsson
greening+4th pick for murray
sign a depth guy like tootoo/dumont etc
resign konopka
nash-spezza-silf
michalek-turris-alfie
dumont-regin-neil
o'brien-konopka-condra
karlsson-hjarmalsson
cowen-gonchar
phillips-murray
carkner
Looks pretty good to me and we would still have puemple, noesen, lehner, pageau, prince coming up the ranks
Fair point. I would counter that our top 6 will soon be bolstered by more offensive prospects. Hopefully Greening will be slotted properly on the 3rd line, and Smith potentially on the 4th, at which point we won't count on them for offense.
Even if we see our offense slip from 4th in the league, we have seen our defense regress since allowing the 24th most goals against. As is, we have 4 nhl defenseman under contract (Karlsson, Phillips, Cowen and Gonchar). before considering Nash, we should address that.
My pie in the sky trade scenario is that Edmonton does not select Ryan Murray, and we could then send some forward/goalten ding depth Columbus's way for that pick.
I would offer bishop and foligno maybe a 3rd round pick for Kane
And although we may lose grit, I would trade smith straight up as we get a top 4 d and don't forget we have some guys fighting for his spot as JOB did a great job in stepping up plus we also have regin on the 3rd line. The grit can somewhat be replaced if we resign konopka
I am very hesitant to add a 7.8M dollar Nash who is dependant on a 7M injury prone Spezza to produce at a level that would make it worthwhile (40+G, 50+A) giving up all those assets for him and still be very exposed on D, even more so than last year.
We also have an influx of skill coming up that will help our scoring. And Turris is about as sure as anything to significantly add to the 12 Goals he scored last year.
I wouldn't say Greening is "Due" for a regression but you're right, it's questionable he adds to it. i would be very happy if he matched his 17G from last year.
I agree. Konopka really stepped up his game for us in the playoffs this year so he should be rewarded with another 1 year contract.
I see greening due for a regression since I doubt he plays alot with Spezza this year and thats really where all his goals came from. he will slot in probably 10-15g
I just think that if the opportunity presents itself where we can grab a Rick Nash type player while still having a few elite prospects in the cupbioard, then you go ahead and do it.
If Murray can get us a E.Kane for less, then go for that instead, but its very rare that a tema has so many assets that they can be a player in any trade, and if we can capitalize on it then we should
because realistically (and its been said before)
Puemple, Noesen, Silferberg, Stone, Pageau, Prince, Zibenajad will not all play for our team, especially not all at once, so we need to be smart with our asset management
You'd have to believe that if Columbus is moving Nash, they intend to keep the 2nd overall as they will be looking for a new face of the franchise. They could look to deal with Edm for the 1st to get Yakupov, swapping the 2nd to Edmonton (and something else). This gives Edm Murray, as I think that is the guy they are after anyway. Is it just me, or wouldn't it look bad on them if they don't pick Yak with the 1st, so why not make the deal?
i'm a fan of Nicky and hope we resign him.
I just read that actually, pretty good one.
Not if we move Smith and/or Foligno...? We need to keep some grit and I don't see any of our up&comers with a whole lot of that (maybe Zib).
Sunday, Sept. 23: Ottawa at Montreal, 7 p.m.
Monday, Sept. 24: Ottawa at Toronto, 7 p.m.
Tuesday, Sept. 25: Toronto at Ottawa, 7:30 p.m.
Thursday, Sept. 27: Montreal at Ottawa, 7:30 p.m.
Sunday, Sept. 30: Ottawa vs N.Y. Islanders, 5 p.m., (at Barrie, Ont.)
Sunday, Sept. 30: N.Y. Islanders at Ottawa, TBA
Saturday, Oct. 6: Ottawa at Winnipeg, 8 p.m.
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Wahoo!
Any word of where the Rookie Tournament will be held this year?
Atleast we play the scabs and the laffs twice each!
You're probably right. The only scenario where it could happen would be if the current Columbus regime were looking for players which could help them sooner, since their current jobs and even their NHL managerial careers could be on the line. They already have J Johnson, and Wisniewski, perhaps they will look to bolster their goaltending and forward ranks via trade with that pick and the Nash trade. Again, just my fantasy scenario.
http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/why-the-ottawa-senators-should-avoid-rick-nash
Let's put this baby to rest.
Hey Jason
Iit hasn't been announced yet, but I hope it's somewhere close to Ottawa I wanna go see it!
Update:
forget the Wideman comment, someone did their homework, check out this link:
http://hockeyanalysis.com/2012/06/11/2012-nhl-free-agent-defensemen/
Someone should send the link to Matt Carle's agent before he re-signs in Philly. By the numbers, he is as valuable as Suter, and more well rounded.
And those that say we need to add defencemen, we can do that on July 1 when free agency starts. If we find that we still need another defencemen during the yr then Murray can trade for one, there are always players available throughout every season. One of the biggest problems Murray might have is that his prospects could be more valuable than most of his roster players.
To Columbus: Zibanejad, Michalek, Bishop & Boroweicki
To Ottawa: Rick Nash LW
- all four can start in Columbus this coming season
To New Jersey: Condra, Butler, Pageau & Daugavins
To Ottawa: Volchenkov RD
- New Jersey gets some cap relief to sign Parise
July 1 Free Agency - Sign Bryan Allen LD
2012 NHL Entry Draft - Ottawa moves up & selects Ceci RD
- Cody Ceci should be ready to replace Gonchar in a year.
Nash - Spezza - Alfredsson
Foligno - Turris - Stone
Greening - Regin - Silfverberg
Z. Smith - JOB - Neil/Konopka
- Silfverberg replaces Alfredsson when/if he retires & Noesen replaces Silfverberg as 3rd line RW
Cowen - Karlsson
Allen - Gonchar
Phillips - Volchenkov/Carkner
Anderson - Lehner
- if Columbus wants Lehner instead of Bishop, that's fine too. T. Murray will have to find a couple of goalies for Bingo which I'm sure there will be lots to choose from.
Goodamn what are we waiting for, DO IT!
Doubt its true but if it is, Murray should jump on that and FAST!
Also I would be inclined if I was Murray to take a good hard look at Douglas Murray from the SJ, guy is a beast and SJ have way too much defensive depth to re-sign the guy.
That's 0 roster players! All other reports claim CBJ wants 1-2 roster players, so this would be a bit confusing. I'd definitely do it though, despite who we'd lose.
technically speaking da costa and lehner would become roster players for clb and Zibanejad as well perhaps
Interesting deal, and one that is interesting for sure. I would love to work it out in a way that we include someone like a prince or condra etc substitute bishop and take back mason
mason could be backup this year and lehner still gets his one more year in the AHL
On Columbus they'll all 4 become roster players this year imo.
Well I think the consensus would be that all 3 of those players could be in CBJ starting line-up next year.
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Too bad the source is TIGOR lol...Loosing the 15th would possibly hurt but not knowing who it is makes it a bit easier to swallow.
I still think it is a long shot at best, there has to be better offers than that.
RIch copy and pasting that, will give it a whirl this evening.
Why in the world would we want Volchenkov back!
Yes I know, but they're talking about current roster players, as in this past year. I'm not saying it can't happen, just saying it doesn't line up with any other report.
Who are they going to put on their ticket stubs after that trade?
Well, Lehner the Saviour of course!
Yakupov or whoever they get with #2.
Jack Johnson maybe then its a shit show!
Ryan Johansen?
Oooh true that, good young kid for sure!
A rebuild starting with Zibanejad, Johansen, Brassard, JJ, Wisniewski, Lehner, Jenner would be a pretty decent start though for them.
In addition they would have 3 1st picks this year (assuming Ottawa send them one)
I don't think the Sens would do that..
Greening is one of McLean's favs.. so I don't think he goes anywhere...
Mike Richards return was Simmonds Schenn + a 2nd round pick.
Question is... how much better is Rick Nash than Mike Richards?
@ Sandy,
I believe Columbus is "not realistic" in wanting more than 3 for 1 in a trade !!
I would offer Bishop, Foligno and Zibanejad, and if Howson
wants more, he can look elsewhere!!
thankyou universe for not making you the gm of ottawa
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