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Friday, 15 June 2012 09:05

Busy Days Ahead for Murray

In his first media address of the off season, Ottawa Senators GM Bryan Murray covered a number of topics including the upcoming Entry Draft, free agency and negotiations with RFA Erik Karlsson.

Listening to Murray talk, it's pretty clear he has his plate full this off season and we can expect the announcements to come fast and furious in the days leading up to the Draft in Pittsburgh.

We'll start with the draft itself.

As I mentioned the other day, it really does seem like all options are on the table at this point.  The Senators are confident they can get a good player at 15 but if there is a specific guy the team wants and a move up is required, Murray is prepared to do it. 

Just as importantly, if the right move is a to shift down in the order and add some additional assets, Murray won't hesitate to do that.

Murray always stresses the importance of relying on his scouts and he indicated that at this point in time anyway, Pierre Dorion and his staff have not indicated that there is a guy they "must" have.  Sounds like it's going to be a read and react type situation on draft day.

Important to note that among the players the Senators have brought in thus farm, four are goalies.  The list includes- Malcolm Subban, Andrei Vasilevski, Daniel Altshuller and Francois Brassard.  A couple of those guys look like they could go in the first couple rounds while the other two, Altshuller and Brassard, could potentially be third round targets.

Another priority for Bryan Murray is locking up defenceman Erik Karlsson.

Everything I hear to this point indicates a three year deal is a real possibility.  Given the CBA uncertainty, a shorter term deal might be favourable for the Senators and at 3 years, they ensure that Karlsson will still be a restricted free agent at the end of the deal.  The two sides have held conversations and are expected to meet face to face at the draft.

While Karlsson remains the top priority, Murray also has to make decisions on the team's UFAs including Kuba, Gilroy, Winchester, Konopka and Carkner.  Murray will let each of those guys know his plans in the days leading up to the draft.

Murray hinted that he doesn't expect to be overly active on July 1 but that doesn't mean he won't be looking to deal before or at the draft.

Either way, it's clear that things are about to pick up steam for the Ottawa Senators.  With six UFAs, four RFAs, a handful of picks at the draft, Bryan Murray and his staff have a lengthy To-Do list facing them this off season and will start to check things off over the next week.

Here is a link to interviews with Bryan Murray, Pierre Dorion and a unique behind the scenes look at the Sens amateur scouting meetings.

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0 #1 The Apostle 2012-06-15 08:36
ahhh 0930 hours. Time to be able to access senschirp at work.
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0 #2 SensChirp 2012-06-15 08:43
Quoting The Apostle:
ahhh 0930 hours. Time to be able to access senschirp at work.

I'd like to encourage everyone that is having issues to explain them in the comment section. Going to ask that the host read through all the issues to see if there is a way we can get things back on track.
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-1 #3 DenisVial 2012-06-15 08:46
Supposedly there was some talk on XL Home Ice about the possibility of the Islanders considering an offer sheet for Karlson if he is unsigned on July 1. It's probably a long shot but if any organisation is stupid enough to do it, it would be them. The fan base is getting restless and they already have quite a few prospects in the pipeline and want to start winning now. Hurry up and git er done Murray!
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0 #4 Alcatraz 2012-06-15 08:46
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting The Apostle:
ahhh 0930 hours. Time to be able to access senschirp at work.

I'd like to encourage everyone that is having issues to explain them in the comment section. Going to ask that the host read through all the issues to see if there is a way we can get things back on track.


lots of feedback given in yesterdays comments section
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0 #5 Alcatraz 2012-06-15 08:49
Quoting DenisVial:
Supposedly there was some talk on XL Home Ice about the possibility of the Islanders considering an offer sheet for Karlson if he is unsigned on July 1. It's probably a long shot but if any organisation is stupid enough to do it, it would be them. The fan base is getting restless and they already have quite a few prospects in the pipeline and want to start winning now. Hurry up and git er done Murray!


I think everyone forgets that the critical part of an offer sheet is that the player in question (Karlsson) actually has to agree and sign the offer sheet for it to count.

Islanders can't just come and try and steal Karlsson without Karlsson's blessing. So first and fore most if your karlsson, you think you will sign it?

Only way he does is if he thinks he will get blindsighted by the sens by a low ball offer, and this will allow him to get what he wants, which is not in Karlsson's character (I don't believe)
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+2 #6 The Apostle 2012-06-15 08:50
I'm not sure I can explain more than I already have but here goes.

The site is working fine since MOnday on my lap top. On my work computer (and I have tried it on several different machines) the site generally operates between 0930 and 1245. Give or take a few minutes.

Refreshing the cache doesn't work. Rebooting the machine doesn't work. Clearing all history doesn't work.

When attempting to access the site I receive the message server not found (after a minute or so of trying). This is only happening since the recent changes and only happens with the senschirp site.

It doesn't make a difference whether I utilise the link on my favourites, go through a search engine or type in the url.

You know when you ring your IT people at work and they say have you tried turning it off and on again and you think the guy at the other end is a tool? Well that's pretty much exactly the way your server guy is acting. Seems to me that his service to you isn't worth shit.

Continually stating that must be a user problem when different users have different issues and the only common denominator is that you have migrated servers doesn't make logical sense.
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+1 #7 Tcharger 2012-06-15 08:57
As of today I can apparently access from my phone earlier but not NY PC...my PC will likely get access around 11-1130.

The it Guy you are talking to either doesn't know what he is talking about...is giving you the default it answer for everything internet related...being lazy....or just doesn't give a shit.


The topic...I will be absolutely the most happy person in the world if it is a 3 ye deal.
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+2 #8 RUSHRLZ 2012-06-15 09:00
After barely chirping on here since our season ended, the Sens of excitement is starting to build up again thanks god and it's good to be back!

Really looking forward to draft day and the days leading up to it.

Yar!
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-1 #9 spezzerman 2012-06-15 09:08
Aaron Portzline of the Columbus Dispatch wrote an article updating the Nash situation. Said 7 teams have had serious discussions and 3 or 4 have kicked the tires. Named 5 teams who have shown serious interest, Ottawa not one of them. They could be be one of the other two, or a kicking the tires team. based on the Quality for Quantity comment, you got to think the Sens are one of these 11ish teams...

http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/content/stories/2012/06/15/trade-talk-for-nash-heats-up-as-draft-nears.html
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0 #10 RUSHRLZ 2012-06-15 09:25
Quoting spezzerman:
Aaron Portzline of the Columbus Dispatch wrote an article updating the Nash situation. Said 7 teams have had serious discussions and 3 or 4 have kicked the tires. Named 5 teams who have shown serious interest, Ottawa not one of them. They could be be one of the other two, or a kicking the tires team. based on the Quality for Quantity comment, you got to think the Sens are one of these 11ish teams...

http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/content/stories/2012/06/15/trade-talk-for-nash-heats-up-as-draft-nears.html


Someone is probably going to pay so much to acquire him...

I'd love to have him here via free agency or a "steal" but probably the asking price would alarm a lot of us.
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0 #11 SlickRick 2012-06-15 09:25
WOW! Just checked out TSN draft report for the Ottawa Senators....app arently our last top picks were Tyler Biggs, Stuart Percy, Luke Schenn etc...are they doing it on purpose?

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9682
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0 #12 Hax 2012-06-15 09:37
I know this was discussed at length in a previous post, but I thought Karlsson only had two more years to RFA. Meaning a 3 year deal would end with him as a UFA. I can't see him agreeing to a deal that would leave him an RFA again at the end unless the dollars are really sweet. But who knows, maybe this will be a rare case where greed doesn't take over.

Going to be an exciting couple of weeks for sure.
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0 #13 beeblebrox 2012-06-15 09:42
Chirp: Perhaps you should post a "Technical issues" post so the issues can be kept separate from the hockey discussion.

That said, if people are having issues with contacting your site, they should do a nslookup on their machines when it's working and when it isn't, and see if the IP addresses resolve the same. If not, it's a DNS issue. If the IP addresses resolve the same, it's your tech's issue. Actually, on both counts it's your tech's issue.
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0 #14 Alcatraz 2012-06-15 09:44
Karlsson is 22 and I believe you need to be 27 or have 7 years of service to become an UFA (Jordan Staal/18 year old rule)

With a 3 year deal he will be 25 and have 6 years of service, thus maintaining his RFA status
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0 #15 Doc 2012-06-15 09:47
People scoffed at the idea that Karlsson would sign a 3 year deal, and it seems that might be the case. I stand by my comment!

I love the fact that both sides seem to be on the same page. Karlsson will be a Sens for a long long time, no matter how many contracts he gets, or how long they will be.

Edit: Alcatraz is right about Karlsson's RFA status.
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0 #16 Steve R 2012-06-15 10:06
Sens are looking at goalies like Subban etc. for this year's draft. Could they be looking at trading a goalie (Lehner, Bishop?) as part of a larger package for Nash?
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+4 #17 Alcatraz 2012-06-15 10:08
Quoting Steve R:
Sens are looking at goalies like Subban etc. for this year's draft. Could they be looking at trading a goalie (Lehner, Bishop?) as part of a larger package for Nash?


Just read yesterday's comments section. Not to be an ass but it will save about 45 comments
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+2 #18 BMKing 2012-06-15 10:14
Quoting Alcatraz:
Karlsson is 22 and I believe you need to be 27 or have 7 years of service to become an UFA (Jordan Staal/18 year old rule)

With a 3 year deal he will be 25 and have 6 years of service, thus maintaining his RFA status



I think this is risky Keep in mind that the Cap will continue to increase, thus increasing the Max a player gets and average salary would also increase. If his stats keep going up he will demand more like 8-9 illion in 3 years

I think our best value is signing him long term, 7-8 years at 6.5 to 7 per...
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0 #19 novascotian 2012-06-15 10:17
jay bouwmeester is a player that seems always to be on the trade block since he left for calgary. I believe he would be the PERFECT fit beside karlsson as he skates very well, very good defensively, can play a ton of minutes, and is still relatively young. 6.8mil is a pretty heavy cap hit though. I could really see him turning his game around in PMac's system.

Also would be an upgrade over Kuba.

Would anybody be willing to take on that salary?
What would it take to get him...

(Rick Nash come to Ottawa!)
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0 #20 Alcatraz 2012-06-15 10:21
Quoting BMKing:
Quoting Alcatraz:
Karlsson is 22 and I believe you need to be 27 or have 7 years of service to become an UFA (Jordan Staal/18 year old rule)

With a 3 year deal he will be 25 and have 6 years of service, thus maintaining his RFA status



I think this is risky Keep in mind that the Cap will continue to increase, thus increasing the Max a player gets and average salary would also increase. If his stats keep going up he will demand more like 8-9 illion in 3 years

I think our best value is signing him long term, 7-8 years at 6.5 to 7 per...


True but at age of 25 we could sign him long term till age of like 32

we sign him long term now we could lose him for nothing at age 29 when people then offer him 10 mill
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0 #21 Round Leaf 2012-06-15 10:22
I wouldn't say that bouwmeester is a great trade target.

1. bad contract

2. too old

though i agree that we could probably get him cheap since he's done so poorly the last couple of seasons
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0 #22 BMKing 2012-06-15 10:34
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting BMKing:
Quoting Alcatraz:
Karlsson is 22 and I believe you need to be 27 or have 7 years of service to become an UFA (Jordan Staal/18 year old rule)

With a 3 year deal he will be 25 and have 6 years of service, thus maintaining his RFA status



I think this is risky Keep in mind that the Cap will continue to increase, thus increasing the Max a player gets and average salary would also increase. If his stats keep going up he will demand more like 8-9 illion in 3 years

I think our best value is signing him long term, 7-8 years at 6.5 to 7 per...


True but at age of 25 we could sign him long term till age of like 32

we sign him long term now we could lose him for nothing at age 29 when people then offer him 10 mill


The way i see it is by giving 7-8 yrs, his stats will show his true value. 3 years stats would be inflated...
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0 #23 Alcatraz 2012-06-15 10:35
Quoting Round Leaf:
I wouldn't say that bouwmeester is a great trade target.

1. bad contract

2. too old

though i agree that we could probably get him cheap since he's done so poorly the last couple of seasons


I wouldn't say he is too old at 29, would be a great presense for Karlsson

As for bad contract sure for 2 more years when it really wont affect us. You know his contract is gunna be much lower next time.

And regardless of his performance you know teams will be lining up for him in 2 years out of hope he returns to form. Everyone knows he is painfully shy and introverted so if he enjoys Ottawa his decision will be that much easier to sign for like 4-5 mill
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+2 #24 SensChirp 2012-06-15 10:36
Quoting Round Leaf:
I wouldn't say that bouwmeester is a great trade target.

1. bad contract

2. too old

though i agree that we could probably get him cheap since he's done so poorly the last couple of seasons

I actually dont hate the idea of Bouwmeester. What if it was a deal for Gonchar? Flames get a cheaper expiring contract. We get a 28 year old defenceman to play alongside Karlsson.

Granted, I haven't watched a ton of Bouwmeester the last couple years.
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0 #25 BMKing 2012-06-15 10:40
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Round Leaf:
I wouldn't say that bouwmeester is a great trade target.

1. bad contract

2. too old

though i agree that we could probably get him cheap since he's done so poorly the last couple of seasons

I actually dont hate the idea of Bouwmeester. What if it was a deal for Gonchar? Flames get a cheaper expiring contract. We get a 28 year old defenceman to play alongside Karlsson.

Granted, I haven't watched a ton of Bouwmeester the last couple years.


Then karlsoon will demand Bowmester type money
if not more
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-3 #26 Alcatraz 2012-06-15 10:42
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Round Leaf:
I wouldn't say that bouwmeester is a great trade target.

1. bad contract

2. too old

though i agree that we could probably get him cheap since he's done so poorly the last couple of seasons

I actually dont hate the idea of Bouwmeester. What if it was a deal for Gonchar? Flames get a cheaper expiring contract. We get a 28 year old defenceman to play alongside Karlsson.

Granted, I haven't watched a ton of Bouwmeester the last couple years.


If Alfie tells Murray one final season, I would be inclined to find a way to keep Gonchar, even though it may go against Uncle Eugene internal cap

Send them some prospects, perhaps puemple and petersson

then roll
Karlsson-Bouwmeester
gonchar-cowen
phillips-boro/gryba/carks

Solid back end that would then see gonchar walk at end of year
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0 #27 conservativeHippie 2012-06-15 10:43
On the Technical front...

Can anyone having an issue please go to a command prompt and type:

ping www.senschirp.ca

See if the result is different when you can connect vs when you cannot. The IP I get (working) is: 184.170.130.170
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0 #28 Alcatraz 2012-06-15 10:44
Quoting BMKing:
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Round Leaf:
I wouldn't say that bouwmeester is a great trade target.

1. bad contract

2. too old

though i agree that we could probably get him cheap since he's done so poorly the last couple of seasons

I actually dont hate the idea of Bouwmeester. What if it was a deal for Gonchar? Flames get a cheaper expiring contract. We get a 28 year old defenceman to play alongside Karlsson.

Granted, I haven't watched a ton of Bouwmeester the last couple years.


Then karlsoon will demand Bowmester type money
if not more


I'm pretty sure we all know Karlsson will be worth more and get more than Bouwmeester's 6.8 mill lol thats pretty much a given, if not this contract then next. It wouldn't really impact him at all
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+2 #29 SensChirp 2012-06-15 10:46
@Team1200

Hockeysverige.se reports #Sens interested in Swedish D Hampus Lindholm, if he's available at 15. Endurance test results were off the charts.
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0 #30 The Apostle 2012-06-15 10:46
Quoting conservativeHippie:
On the Technical front...

Can anyone having an issue please go to a command prompt and type:

ping www.senschirp.ca

See if the result is different when you can connect vs when you cannot. The IP I get (working) is: 184.170.130.170



same result here, I will try it again in an hour when the site has gone down
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0 #31 Alcatraz 2012-06-15 10:49
one final thought regarding Jay-Bo

The onyl production that has decreased since his time in Florida is his goal scoring. His assists have stayed around the 25a area, which is what he produced in FLA

Only difference is he is scoring 10 goals less in Calgary than FLA.

He still played nearly 25 min a game for Calgary these past 3 years

He is still a very usefull dman that at his current level is probably being over paid by 2 mill max and on an open market would still fetch 5 million. He isn't that bad, just being killed because he makes 6.8

His assists would more than likely go up with karlsson, and also his goal scoring would probably trend upwards with karlsson being guarded for one time situations
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0 #32 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-06-15 10:50
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Round Leaf:
I wouldn't say that bouwmeester is a great trade target.

1. bad contract

2. too old

though i agree that we could probably get him cheap since he's done so poorly the last couple of seasons

I actually dont hate the idea of Bouwmeester. What if it was a deal for Gonchar? Flames get a cheaper expiring contract. We get a 28 year old defenceman to play alongside Karlsson.

Granted, I haven't watched a ton of Bouwmeester the last couple years.


Hey Chirp,

I would trade both Gonchar & Kuba for Bowmeester, and then we would have to pay the difference to Bowmeester (6,680,000) vs Gonchar (5,500,00).

Also, it would leave the Sens with more money available, to
trade for a top 3 forward !!
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+1 #33 The Apostle 2012-06-15 10:52
why would Gonchar waive his NMC for Calgary?
why would they want to trade for Kuba when they can have him for nothing on July 1
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0 #34 SensChirp 2012-06-15 10:54
Quoting The Apostle:
why would Gonchar waive his NMC for Calgary?


Good point. Forgot about the NMC. That would definitely be a tough sell.
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+1 #35 Sandy 2012-06-15 11:00
Maybe more goals for Bowmeester if he played in Ottawa? Is part of his lack of scoring, etc.. have any part to being in Calgary?

Chirp, FYI -- I've had no issues whatsoever with the new site...working perfectly...

Anxious for the draft...
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0 #36 Alcatraz 2012-06-15 11:01
Quoting Sandy:
Maybe more goals for Bowmeester if he played in Ottawa? Is part of his lack of scoring, etc.. have any part to being in Calgary?

Chirp, FYI -- I've had no issues whatsoever with the new site...working perfectly...

Anxious for the draft...


Exactly and he just eats minutes. 25 min a game for Calgary, we need that here in Ottawa

Since with kuba gone, and karlsson not playing PK it really just leaves us Cowen/Phillips/ Gonchar/Rook for PK duties
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0 #37 SlickRick 2012-06-15 11:22
Quoting SlickRick:
WOW! Just checked out TSN draft report for the Ottawa Senators....apparently our last top picks were Tyler Biggs, Stuart Percy, Luke Schenn etc...are they doing it on purpose?

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9682


OK they fixed it (not that anyone cared)...still hate those fuckers at Toronto Sports Network
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0 #38 Sandy 2012-06-15 11:26
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Sandy:
Maybe more goals for Bowmeester if he played in Ottawa? Is part of his lack of scoring, etc.. have any part to being in Calgary?

Chirp, FYI -- I've had no issues whatsoever with the new site...working perfectly...

Anxious for the draft...


Exactly and he just eats minutes. 25 min a game for Calgary, we need that here in Ottawa

Since with kuba gone, and karlsson not playing PK it really just leaves us Cowen/Phillips/Gonchar/Rook for PK duties


The loss of his cap hit would benefit Calgary as well.

It's downright scary looking at those actual 4 PK defensemen. The Sens need someone else in the top 4 D... That should be Murray's priorty... not Nash...
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0 #39 The Apostle 2012-06-15 11:27
This might be being picky (but the TSN website is a joke) but any particular reason they decided that we only picked Zbad in the 1st round last year.

I noticed both TML picks were listed.

It's hard not to come to the conclusion that either the TSN website people don't know what they are doing or don't give a fuck about being accurate or don't give a fuck about being accurate or objective about the Senators.

Or, all of the above.
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-1 #40 novascotian 2012-06-15 11:27
Here is what I would like to see our defense look like next year.

Jay-bo (if we can't trade for him attempt to sign Carle) Karlsson

Cowen Gonchar

Phillips Aucion

Boro

I think that is an amazing mix of youth and veteran... Aucion is the perfect fit... great veteran, can still play 20mins a game, defensive minded but can still move the puck wwwayyy better than carkner, from ottawa, great mentor for players like Boro and Cowen and even Karlsson)

Jay-Bo I already mentioned and I think we all to some degree think he would be a good fit.

As much as I like Carkner if we can get Aucion for say 2 year (2mil next year 1mil the next) I would be a great veteran signing, pretty low risk as he is proven and can still play a decent level. (not to mention a good retirement gig in your hometown)

Just some thoughts
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0 #41 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-06-15 11:45
Quoting The Apostle:
why would Gonchar waive his NMC for Calgary?
why would they want to trade for Kuba when they can have him for nothing on July 1


OOPS,

Forgot about NMC re Gonchar.

Would still be worth trying to lure Bowmeester to Ottawa,
as Kuba's $3,700,000 would be off the books.

Could get a lot out of Bowmeester in PP and PK,as he can play 25 minutes a game. and would be great if paired with Karlsson.
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+3 #42 CohMa 2012-06-15 12:24
Since I haven't noticed any comments about it, I guess no one was listening to Sportscall this morning. Matt Carkner was on and said that he (his agent) has started talks with the Sens about re-signing.
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0 #43 SlickRick 2012-06-15 12:35
Quoting The Apostle:
This might be being picky (but the TSN website is a joke) but any particular reason they decided that we only picked Zbad in the 1st round last year.

I noticed both TML picks were listed.

It's hard not to come to the conclusion that either the TSN website people don't know what they are doing or don't give a fuck about being accurate or don't give a fuck about being accurate or objective about the Senators.

Or, all of the above.


If you looked earlier on TSN (or my comments above) they had Toronto's prospects listed instead of ours(check the TSN comment section under the article).
They have since changed it but yes, failed to recognize the Noesen and Puemple 1st round picks. They 'make me Laugh' (get it). Nib High Football rules!
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+1 #44 The Apostle 2012-06-15 12:39
i did look earlier and i did see it and commented on the fact on the TSN site.

I also saw your post and replied to it, i just didn't bother to quote you.

A bit like now.
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0 #45 MethotToMyMadness 2012-06-15 12:40
What a beautiful Friday, can't wait to enjoy this sunshine today on a patio with a few beverages. Until then, it's work, work and more work.

I have a feeling BM is using his comments about the draft to avoid putting the idea out, that they really do want to make a deal with it. It's always in a dealers best Interest to not look interested. Saying they are happy with remaining at 15th, is the right way to play it. Even if that IS the plan.

I'm excited to see what happens, but I won't be angry if nothing does.
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0 #46 conservativeHippie 2012-06-15 12:56
Ok...Just tried to access the site using 3G and I'm getting an error stating the "requested content www.senschirp.ca cannot be processed due to internal error.

When I switch back to Wi-Fi, I can access it no problem.

DNS and Ping shows the same IP for senschirp.ca either way.
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0 #47 novascotian 2012-06-15 13:08
http://www.capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster.php?id=6474
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0 #48 Ed in accounting 2012-06-15 13:13
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:


as Kuba's $3,700,000 would be off the books.


ALL of which will go to King Karlsson's raise
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-1 #49 Tcharger 2012-06-15 13:38
Big Rig is shut for a few days...sounds like fire in the kitchen
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0 #50 conservativeHippie 2012-06-15 13:43
BTW: The Name Server performs double duties as the webserver itself. Could be a load issue or cause for other funky stuff. It looks though like it's on the server...For some reason the site can't forward requests to the senschirp site, one of many running on that server. I can get to the server IP no problem.

Again, this is only when hitting it from 3G.

In short, it is on the server end, not the client. The "INTERNAL ERROR" message makes that pretty clear.
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0 #51 conservativeHippie 2012-06-15 13:47
Quoting Tcharger:
Big Rig is shut for a few days...sounds like fire in the kitchen


Welcome to the restaurant business, Chris! Hope there wasn't any major damage.
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0 #52 Hax 2012-06-15 13:56
IF we can move out Gonchar's salary I'd be tempted to bring in JayBo. But then we still need another top 4 guy of course. Just that we can aim a little lower since JayBo>Gonchar (IMO - there is risk there of course).
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0 #53 Alcatraz 2012-06-15 14:05
Quoting Hax:
IF we can move out Gonchar's salary I'd be tempted to bring in JayBo. But then we still need another top 4 guy of course. Just that we can aim a little lower since JayBo>Gonchar (IMO - there is risk there of course).


Its not just your opinion its fact that Jay-Bo is better than Gonch

Regardless of his contract Jay-Bo is still a valuable dman whoc can play 25 min a game in all situations, skates like the wind and on a bad year will put up 30+ pts
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0 #54 MoeDozer 2012-06-15 14:24
Quoting novascotian:
jay bouwmeester is a player that seems always to be on the trade block since he left for calgary. I believe he would be the PERFECT fit beside karlsson

jay is a good player however, he is the biggest curse in the NHL. since his rookie season in junior in 1999 up till this season, he has made the playoffs once. and it was in the AHL in 2004 lockout season. he played 18 PO games and gathered up 0 points where they were swept 4-0 in the finals.

jay has never got a single point in a playoff game in any of the CHL AHL NHL.

and for that reason, i dont want him on my team
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0 #55 Tcharger 2012-06-15 14:27
Yeah, I am not a fan of getting Jay Bouw...I mean if he regains the form he once had it could be a decent move, but like Moe said...no playoff points EVER, when it really counts. I mean if it were only NHL or only AHL or only CHL I would be able to say it was an unfortunate circumstance... but if he hasn't in any playoffs hard to blame anything but the player.
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0 #56 Alcatraz 2012-06-15 14:31
Quoting Tcharger:
Yeah, I am not a fan of getting Jay Bouw...I mean if he regains the form he once had it could be a decent move, but like Moe said...no playoff points EVER, when it really counts. I mean if it were only NHL or only AHL or only CHL I would be able to say it was an unfortunate circumstance...but if he hasn't in any playoffs hard to blame anything but the player.


His team never made playoffs in NHL or CHL because he was on crappy teams

In the CHL he was a top prospect into the team which means it begins crappy and he was an 18 year old who made NHL therefore not playing on a now strong CHl team, going again to a weak NHL team. Circumstantial at best

Yes lock out doesn't look good on him. But still like I mentioned the only statistic he has regressed his goals. His assists have remained the same and still plays 25 min a game
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+1 #57 MoeDozer 2012-06-15 14:40
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Tcharger:
Yeah, I am not a fan of getting Jay Bouw...I mean if he regains the form he once had it could be a decent move, but like Moe said...no playoff points EVER, when it really counts. I mean if it were only NHL or only AHL or only CHL I would be able to say it was an unfortunate circumstance...but if he hasn't in any playoffs hard to blame anything but the player.


His team never made playoffs in NHL or CHL because he was on crappy teams

In the CHL he was a top prospect into the team which means it begins crappy and he was an 18 year old who made NHL therefore not playing on a now strong CHl team, going again to a weak NHL team. Circumstantial at best

Yes lock out doesn't look good on him. But still like I mentioned the only statistic he has regressed his goals. His assists have remained the same and still plays 25 min a game

i understand that the odds of such a good player getting such horrible luck his entire career of just being on the wrong team at the wrong time is so rare. however, i still strongly think he cant play pressure games, here is some more in depth stats to help.

WJC, he played for 3 years. 21 games (in first year 7games 0 points, understandable being a 16 year old dman, 2nd year 7 games 2assists. 3rd year 7 games 2assists) he collected 2 bronze medals with canada in that period.

next came the world championships, hes taken part in 4 years. 1st year 3g4a in 9 games (pretty impressive), 2nd 2g1a 9games, 3rd 0points 9games. 4th 2a 8games. collecting 2golds 1silver.

then was the world cup. 0points in 4 games (gold medal)

then the torino winter olympics in 06, he got 0points in 6 games.


i mean, making it to team canada is respectable by all measures. but being on a insanely high scoring national team and finding a way to get no points raises a flag for me.
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0 #58 MethotToMyMadness 2012-06-15 14:45
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Tcharger:
Yeah, I am not a fan of getting Jay Bouw...I mean if he regains the form he once had it could be a decent move, but like Moe said...no playoff points EVER, when it really counts. I mean if it were only NHL or only AHL or only CHL I would be able to say it was an unfortunate circumstance...but if he hasn't in any playoffs hard to blame anything but the player.


His team never made playoffs in NHL or CHL because he was on crappy teams

In the CHL he was a top prospect into the team which means it begins crappy and he was an 18 year old who made NHL therefore not playing on a now strong CHl team, going again to a weak NHL team. Circumstantial at best

Yes lock out doesn't look good on him. But still like I mentioned the only statistic he has regressed his goals. His assists have remained the same and still plays 25 min a game


As much as I normally look at overall stats first, I've heard about his curse and like many others, it does make me weary about wanting him in a Sens Jersey. I know he can play 25 minutes in any situation, I know his assists have always been good. But in the end, we want a guy we can feel comfortble with in the Playoffs when we make it, and he hasn't made it. Sure, if we did pick him up and we made the playoffs, he could end up being a difference maker, we don't know for sure. But can you imagine what type of chaos we'd see written here if he did sign and Ottawa didn't make the playoffs next year. The entire blame would fall on this curse, you can book that!!
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0 #59 MoeDozer 2012-06-15 14:48
the main positive that i can draw about all these stats is that bouwmeester is as consistant as it gets. in his 9 year career. he played in 82 games in 8 of the 9 seasons.
and he consistantly gets well over 120 blocked shots a year and near 100 hits a year.
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0 #60 Alcatraz 2012-06-15 14:53
Quoting MoeDozer:
the main positive that i can draw about all these stats is that bouwmeester is as consistant as it gets. in his 9 year career. he played in 82 games in 8 of the 9 seasons.
and he consistantly gets well over 120 blocked shots a year and near 100 hits a year.


He is a stabalizing force. Just cause he is a smoothe skater and great passer doesn't mean he is supposed to be an offensive guy potting pts everywhere he goes

Hes an every down running back so to speak. He absorbs minutes and is a good dman. Yes overpaid but regardless I would honestly expect him to post this line in ottawa:

80gp: 8-10g, 25-35a for 33-45pts 0.5ppg which is great from the backend all the while playing PK1 and 25 min a game. Get away from the "hype" and understand those are great numbers
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0 #61 Colin 2012-06-15 15:02
Quoting MoeDozer:
the main positive that i can draw about all these stats is that bouwmeester is as consistant as it gets. in his 9 year career. he played in 82 games in 8 of the 9 seasons.
and he consistantly gets well over 120 blocked shots a year and near 100 hits a year.


Pair him with EK and he will produce. Look what it did for Kuba last year.
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0 #62 Hax 2012-06-15 15:05
If Murray or his scouts have any reason to believe J-Bo isn't a playoff performer (i.e. somehow doesn't play as hard, chokes, LeBron's ... whatever) then yeah let's keep away.

But otherwise it's just a bit of a flukey stat to me.

Of course, if we did get him and missed the playoffs he'd be the goat for sure. Kind of the anti-Brian Lee who was reported to be a good luck charm.
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0 #63 Alcatraz 2012-06-15 15:17
BTW market set for Bishop so can't expect he gets anything more than this since Linback is more NHL seasoned

Nashville:
Lindback
Wilson
7th

Tampa Bay:
two 2nd picks
3rd pick
Caron
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0 #64 MethotToMyMadness 2012-06-15 15:22
Not sure about this update from Mark Spector with SportsNet, does he just make this stuff up or does he have real facts?

The Edmonton Oilers will hold on to the number 1 pick in the 2012 NHL Draft and not trade down, reports Sportsnet's Mark Spector.

Oilers won't trade No. 1 overall pick. Also won't decide until Thursday night, Friday morning who they'll take.

No. 1 pick too costly. From Leafs, would have to include a Gardiner. From Habs, a Subban. Neither team willing, so Oilers will draft.
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-1 #65 Sandy 2012-06-15 15:23
Quoting Alcatraz:
BTW market set for Bishop so can't expect he gets anything more than this since Linback is more NHL seasoned

Nashville:
Lindback
Wilson
7th

Tampa Bay:
two 2nd picks
3rd pick
Caron


So here come the trades. Good trade for Tampa.. Lindback is a good goaltender..

That takes them out of the ridiculous Luongo rumours.
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0 #66 MethotToMyMadness 2012-06-15 15:28
Quoting Alcatraz:
BTW market set for Bishop so can't expect he gets anything more than this since Linback is more NHL seasoned

Nashville:
Lindback
Wilson
7th

Tampa Bay:
two 2nd picks
3rd pick
Caron


Wow, so Lindback is Tampa's answer? I think the kid has talent but I never saw him as a #1 and I know damn well Nashville didn't. Especially with Rinne holding the fort. I guess it's safe to say Nashville will be going after one of the young top goalies and a few more D in this draft with 9 picks to be made.
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+1 #67 Tookie 2012-06-15 15:32
Quoting Alcatraz:
BTW market set for Bishop so can't expect he gets anything more than this since Linback is more NHL seasoned

Nashville:
Lindback
Wilson
7th

Tampa Bay:
two 2nd picks
3rd pick
Caron


Wow great trade for both teams, is that Colin Wilson, if so awesome addition for TB. Stevie Y is rockin in up in TB!!

***Nvm its Kyle Wilson...
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0 #68 MoeDozer 2012-06-15 15:43
anyone else see what don cherry said earlier today:

Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC
What I remember most from this playoff run is the Senators up 3-2 in series and pulling Stone from the lineup and replacing him with a guy from Sweden who didn't contriubte one bit of blood, sweat or tears for the club. I can't imagine how Stone felt. So proud to set up Spezza
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+1 #69 Tookie 2012-06-15 15:46
3 Different versions from NHL.com, interesting.

Kimelman
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=80917
Has us picking Ceci at 15?!?!

Morreale
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=80918
Has us picking Finn at 15, very possible and would be great!

Hoffner
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=80921
Has us picking Lindholm, who? not another Swede...
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-1 #70 Tcharger 2012-06-15 15:49
Don Cherry is a retard
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+2 #71 Tookie 2012-06-15 15:49
Quoting MoeDozer:
anyone else see what don cherry said earlier today:

Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC
What I remember most from this playoff run is the Senators up 3-2 in series and pulling Stone from the lineup and replacing him with a guy from Sweden who didn't contriubte one bit of blood, sweat or tears for the club. I can't imagine how Stone felt. So proud to set up Spezza


Over dramatic much, he doesnt know Stone from another junior to save his life. He just doesnt like Euro's.

He has a bit of a point but thats just him talking like he usually does. Good for Stone tho.

And its not like Stone, like Don mentions, contributed that much more blood, sweat and tears than Silf, he had 1 assist and it was a chip up to Spezza who fired a pretty weak shot that beat Lundqvist 5hole. We didnt see Stone for the rest of the game.

Cherry is such an instigator, this has nothing to do with how both guys played, its cuz Stone is a good Canadian boy.

I'm off to the cottage folks, have a lovely weekend! (long one for me whoohoo!)
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0 #72 MoeDozer 2012-06-15 15:58
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:

Hoffner
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=80921
Has us picking Lindholm, who? not another Swede...

altho lindholm is another smooth skating 2way 17year old Dman already playing serious amount of minutes, I have to agree with you on the "not another Swede..."

i sound like a fool to say anything negative about swedes as a sens fan, but we seriously need to expand. We are built off canadians, a few americans, many swedes and 1 or 2 czech/danes.

One hockey nation i wish for us to expand into is Finland or atleast slovakia.
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-1 #73 Hax 2012-06-15 16:03
Quoting MoeDozer:
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:

Hoffner
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=80921
Has us picking Lindholm, who? not another Swede...

altho lindholm is another smooth skating 2way 17year old Dman already playing serious amount of minutes, I have to agree with you on the "not another Swede..."

i sound like a fool to say anything negative about swedes as a sens fan, but we seriously need to expand. We are built off canadians, a few americans, many swedes and 1 or 2 czech/danes.

One hockey nation i wish for us to expand into is Finland or atleast slovakia.


I don't care if the entire lineup is Mexican as long as they're the best players/team we can put together.

I would hope that Murray and his team are not looking at Swedes more favorably though due to our history with them. I'd hate to see them draft a Swede over another player purely on nationality. Just like I wouldn't want them to skip a player because he's Russian. (Though as I've expounded on other threads, I do think the notion of a player moving far from home and "culture shock" are elements to consider in part.)

But maybe there's something to keeping EK65 feeling at home? If there's a coin-toss between two players do you pick the Swede with the idea that a happy EK65 is a good thing? Does EK even care if his team has more Swedes?
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-2 #74 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-06-15 16:16
This is for the guys, that are not too keen on Bouwmeester coming to Ottawa?? Comparing his stats to Drew Doughty's stats.

Bouwmeester GP G A Points Team
06-07 82 12 30 42 Florida
07-08 82 15 22 37 Florida
08-09 82 15 27 42 Florida

09-12 avg 82 4 23 27 Calgary

Doughty
08-09 81 6 21 27 Kings
09-10 82 16 43 59 Kings
10-11 76 11 29 40 Kings
11-12 77 10 26 36 Kings

The above tells me, that Bouwmeester, for whatever reason
as dramatically dropped his goals, but not his assists.

He would no doubt become much more productive in a Senators
lineup and paired with Erik Karlsson !!
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0 #75 Sandy 2012-06-15 16:38
Quoting MoeDozer:
anyone else see what don cherry said earlier today:

Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC
What I remember most from this playoff run is the Senators up 3-2 in series and pulling Stone from the lineup and replacing him with a guy from Sweden who didn't contriubte one bit of blood, sweat or tears for the club. I can't imagine how Stone felt. So proud to set up Spezza


He is full of hot air. Putting Silfverberg in for Stone had NOTHING to do with the Sens losing games 6 & 7... See Peel.
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-2 #76 TookieIs100PercentRight 2012-06-15 16:48
Quoting Hax:

But maybe there's something to keeping EK65 feeling at home? If there's a coin-toss between two players do you pick the Swede with the idea that a happy EK65 is a good thing? Does EK even care if his team has more Swedes?


RE: The Mexican part, as long as they bring the cerveza and Tequila....

Not sure how much more "at home" you can get. Ottawa is super relaxed and low-key and quiet. Sure you have some drunken shenanigans on the Market but w/e. It's not as if Karlsson was coming from Sweden to say...Uganda or Saudi Arabia. You pick the BPA plain and simple. Also, Detroit seems to be the aberration in recent winners having a surfeit of Swedish players. LA had a hefty number of North Americans. So did Chicago, Pittsburgh, Anaheim...seems like the model is to have about 10-15 Canadians/Ameri cans, season in some Euro grit/skill and then roll the dice.

We'll see I guess but if we don't get out of the first round by the time Murray's contract expires I'd be in favour of an outside GM with a new approach. If you need to ruffle some feathers to win so be it...
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0 #77 Spinorama 2012-06-15 19:50
If Lingholm is who we pick I'd rather trade down and get an extra pick out of it. I love the swedes we have right now but seems like we're due to pick some bad swedes soon. We are pushing our luck here. Take Slater Koeks or Finn or move up for Ceci and I'm a happy fan.

GO SENS GO !!!
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0 #78 Floridasensfan 2012-06-15 19:58
Quoting Tcharger:
Don Cherry is a retard


agree 100%
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The more time goes on I don't care if we give up our draft pick in a stellar player trade.
An impact player over waiting years for development.

We have holes to fill today,

If we get a top D and a top forward in a trade I am thrilled, unless we trade up big time the draft is not critical for next year.

I would however like to see us get a goalie for Bingo, it is reasonable that we trade a goalie in a deal, not that we would want too but it may be necessary to get it done.

I agree with others it is going to be painful to see who we lose in a trade but give to get.

We all have our favorites and it could be them going.
as long as the return is worth it I am good.
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0 #79 KJ-Sens 2012-06-15 22:37
Quoting The Apostle:
I'm not sure I can explain more than I already have but here goes.

The site is working fine since MOnday on my lap top. On my work computer (and I have tried it on several different machines) the site generally operates between 0930 and 1245. Give or take a few minutes.

Refreshing the cache doesn't work. Rebooting the machine doesn't work. Clearing all history doesn't work.

When attempting to access the site I receive the message server not found (after a minute or so of trying). This is only happening since the recent changes and only happens with the senschirp site.

It doesn't make a difference whether I utilise the link on my favourites, go through a search engine or type in the url.

You know when you ring your IT people at work and they say have you tried turning it off and on again and you think the guy at the other end is a tool? Well that's pretty much exactly the way your server guy is acting. Seems to me that his service to you isn't worth shit.

Continually stating that must be a user problem when different users have different issues and the only common denominator is that you have migrated servers doesn't make logical sense.


And the fact that the server is running and up and other users have no issues explains this as server problem, how exactly??

Are you sure your ISP isn't using any weird proxy settings?

Best way to find out is to run Fiddler, or Charles web proxy debugging tools to see what is really happening during the HTTP communication between web client and server. They are free tools. Just google them.


KJ
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0 #80 Floridasensfan 2012-06-16 06:14
when the site was down i could not access like everyone, have not had a problem since.
I have a mac and I am on a home wifi with no other routers.

chirp I would ask your servers if you are on a dedicated ip if you are there should be no issue, the other problem could be your new providers can't handle massive hits on the site all at once, example an overload of people accessing the site at a certain time.

that would explain the messages some get at various times.
you have a boatload of people that check the site even if not registered and they don't post.
I am sure you know that from your website stats on your control panel.

i am no tekkie but thats my 2 cents.
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0 #81 Tcharger 2012-06-16 09:16
Guys it is abundantly clear that it's not on the user end because I have 3 seperate networks and typically its down at the same time on all 3. The past 2 days it comes up about an hour earlier on my main mobile phone ...home internet its still down, and other mobile still down.

Also absolutely nothing changes on my end on any device when it does go down around 1700...and again nothing changes when it comes back up between 1015-1130

Hahaha and an hour later right on cue it works on my home network...unrea l
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0 #82 11Alfie11 2012-06-16 10:29
Doesnt JAyBo have a NMC (making any possible Ottawa destination a moot pt. since I dont see him wanting to come here)
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+4 #83 Tcharger 2012-06-16 10:59
Not that this is news but

Industry sources say two quality roster players and two prospects is likely asking price for Rick Nash #CBJ #NHL

So looking something like

Michalek
Bishop
Stone
1st

For just Nash.....

Way to steep in my opinion and I am not even as high on Stone as most people around here. Bishop also very well may not qualify as a quality roster player....maybe sub Foligno?

Still pretty bonkers if you ask me.
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-1 #84 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-06-16 11:29
Just woke up from a drunken night where I dreamt that I was standing literally meters away from the Ottawa Senators taking Slater Keokeokk with their 15th pick in this year's draft.

Take that for what it's worth.
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+2 #85 conservativeHippie 2012-06-16 12:26
Quoting KJ-Sens:


And the fact that the server is running and up and other users have no issues explains this as server problem, how exactly??

Are you sure your ISP isn't using any weird proxy settings?

Best way to find out is to run Fiddler, or Charles web proxy debugging tools to see what is really happening during the HTTP communication between web client and server. They are free tools. Just google them.


KJ


KJ,

Not sure why you think that anyone should have to google tools to access a website? It happens to me as well, only when accessing via my 3G phone, and only during certain times of the day.

Fact of the matter is that the site is busted. If you are as I suspect the guy running the show, how about you just address the problem instead of talking down to loyal members; members who, if they leave because of these issues, will most certainly make the owner of the site naturally upset.

Why don't you call Bell and ask them what weird settings the use on their 3G network?
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0 #86 spezzerman 2012-06-16 12:46
Quoting Tcharger:
Not that this is news but

Industry sources say two quality roster players and two prospects is likely asking price for Rick Nash #CBJ #NHL

So looking something like

Michalek
Bishop
Stone
1st

For just Nash.....

Way to steep in my opinion and I am not even as high on Stone as most people around here. Bishop also very well may not qualify as a quality roster player....maybe sub Foligno?

Still pretty bonkers if you ask me.


Completely agree. way too much for Nash. Great player but when much better players like say, Hossa or Kovalchuk, got less or similar in return it makes no sense. Howsen is dreaming but I guess he thinks the market will demand it and he might be right.

But honestly, at least one of our top prospects are likely within 2 years of having realistic 30 goal potential, and I would argue that Silfverberg has a shot at 30 next year. Plus Turris is a very likely candidate for 30 next year. Nash is guaranteed 35 goals with the Sens, which is very nice, but not worth the farm for with our prospect pool.

Forget Nash, focus on a dealing for a top 4 d-man.
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+1 #87 conservativeHippie 2012-06-16 13:18
I see zero gain in trading a top 3 for a top 3. Not only a top 3, but our backup and two possible top 6 players?
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+1 #88 Tcharger 2012-06-16 13:37
Although I agree if its only Nash coming back it would be a horrible trade but Nash >Michalek by a huge margin.

Personally and I have said it before,Michalek belongs on the second line where I am 100% certain he would excel and likely be just as, if not more productive then on the first line. He will be able to face the 2nd tier players/defende rs, and frankly I think he is near the top of that crop.

Forget Nash...if we are going for a top 3 grab Ryan...he will likely cost half what Nash does.
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0 #89 St Nick 2012-06-16 14:08
I'd be surprised if Murray were to trade a goalie at the draft but he might leading up to the trade deadline if he can get a missing peice. He might just hold back from trading a goalie now to see where his team is at & what it may need to get over the hump & use his goalie as leverage in a trade during the season. I also think he drafts a goalie in the 3rd rd Brassard or Gillies would be my guess.

If Ceci, Trouba, Maatta & Lindholm are all gone by 15 I could see Murray moving down a few places to acquire a 2nd or 3rd rd pick. I also hope he makes a couple of deals to get a few more picks specifically a late 1st or early 2nd rd pick. I would love to see Ottawa come away from this draft with Koekkoek & Wilson from the 1st rd.
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+2 #90 AllStarAlfie 2012-06-16 14:10
Ya I think if we do go for a top 3 guy, Ryan is a better and more realistic option as we wouldn't have to give up as much and he puts up great numbers that will likely increase thanks to spezza. He is young enough (25) so he can be with spezza for many years
And we certainly have what it takes to get him
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0 #91 Sandy 2012-06-16 14:26
Read on rumour site... so take it for what it is worth... that Evander Kane does not want to re-sign in Winnipeg.
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+2 #92 MoeDozer 2012-06-16 14:55
Quoting Sandy:
Read on rumour site... so take it for what it is worth... that Evander Kane does not want to re-sign in Winnipeg.

not that i believe the rumour but wow, that would be the kane i want.
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0 #93 Sandy 2012-06-16 15:34
Quoting MoeDozer:
Quoting Sandy:
Read on rumour site... so take it for what it is worth... that Evander Kane does not want to re-sign in Winnipeg.

not that i believe the rumour but wow, that would be the kane i want.


The source is: Renaud P Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS

Don't know anything about him or how reliable his reports are..
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0 #94 MoeDozer 2012-06-16 15:41
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting MoeDozer:
Quoting Sandy:
Read on rumour site... so take it for what it is worth... that Evander Kane does not want to re-sign in Winnipeg.

not that i believe the rumour but wow, that would be the kane i want.


The source is: Renaud P Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS

Don't know anything about him or how reliable his reports are..

i guess we will know soon enough. this goes without needing to be said but the asking price would obviously be pretty insane but may be worth it. if you really broke it down, i think he will be just as good as nash (if not better).
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+2 #95 MoeDozer 2012-06-16 15:47
i read a chicago blog that says the hawks are looking to trade Niklas Hjalmarsson and "multiple source" tell him that it is with ottawa in exchange for z.smith and a draft pick. because hawks are looking for a z.smith type player and at the same time ottawa needs a Dman.

if this trade was to happen, its one that i love and hate equally. It will sting to lose one of our underdog "clutch" performers that to me, looks like he will be the man we need in the playoffs. but at the same time with all the added forward prospects, this can open a spot for possibly mika Z as 3rd line center (or tons of other possible scenarios with our flexibility)

and that draft pick better be anything lower than a 4th rounder.
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+5 #96 oakster15 2012-06-16 16:46
I think we need to keep getting players with ridiculous names to mess with the announcers. Daugavins, Zibanejad, possibly Hjalmarsson, plus we might draft that Slater Koekkoek
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+1 #97 Sandy 2012-06-16 16:46
Quoting MoeDozer:
i read a chicago blog that says the hawks are looking to trade Niklas Hjalmarsson and "multiple source" tell him that it is with ottawa in exchange for z.smith and a draft pick. because hawks are looking for a z.smith type player and at the same time ottawa needs a Dman.

if this trade was to happen, its one that i love and hate equally. It will sting to lose one of our underdog "clutch" performers that to me, looks like he will be the man we need in the playoffs. but at the same time with all the added forward prospects, this can open a spot for possibly mika Z as 3rd line center (or tons of other possible scenarios with our flexibility)

and that draft pick better be anything lower than a 4th rounder.


Zack Smith is one of the FEW DECENT penalty killers the Sens have. We can't overlook the aspects of that on the Sens. The number of penalties this team takes and is given... the PK has to be one of the key parts on this team.

Last year's penalty killers were Zack Smith, Condra, Michalek, Daugavins. Who else? O'Brien? That's not a lot. Alfie did not kill penalties last season.

I would actually prefer to deal Foligno to Zack Smith.. Chicago wants grit.

I saw that blog on HB.. The other trade scenario they had was Zack & Robin for Hjalmarsson & Stalburg....

Make that Foligno & Bishop.. then I say deal.
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+1 #98 MoeDozer 2012-06-16 17:23
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting MoeDozer:
i read a chicago blog that says the hawks are looking to trade Niklas Hjalmarsson and "multiple source" tell him that it is with ottawa in exchange for z.smith and a draft pick. because hawks are looking for a z.smith type player and at the same time ottawa needs a Dman.

if this trade was to happen, its one that i love and hate equally. It will sting to lose one of our underdog "clutch" performers that to me, looks like he will be the man we need in the playoffs. but at the same time with all the added forward prospects, this can open a spot for possibly mika Z as 3rd line center (or tons of other possible scenarios with our flexibility)

and that draft pick better be anything lower than a 4th rounder.


Zack Smith is one of the FEW DECENT penalty killers the Sens have. We can't overlook the aspects of that on the Sens. The number of penalties this team takes and is given... the PK has to be one of the key parts on this team.

Last year's penalty killers were Zack Smith, Condra, Michalek, Daugavins. Who else? O'Brien? That's not a lot. Alfie did not kill penalties last season.

I would actually prefer to deal Foligno to Zack Smith.. Chicago wants grit.

I saw that blog on HB.. The other trade scenario they had was Zack & Robin for Hjalmarsson & Stalburg....

Make that Foligno & Bishop.. then I say deal.

well hjalmarsson would be already a great addition to our PK unit.

if borocop makes the team, then he will also be a guy on the PK too.

but that doesnt answer your question about PK forwards.
I know that silfver did play on the PK in sweden, so he may be a decent addition. then if zenonK or winchester return, and get regular shifts, those are 2 good guys for the PK.

and depending on how ready mikaZ is, he can kill too.
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+1 #99 Sandy 2012-06-16 18:14
Mika & Silfverberg may be that role in the future (PK) but not right away. Winchester is very good at it as well... but can he stay healthy? Konopka may not get re-signed. I know Zack did not have the best finish for the season.. wasn't the same after that concussion... but on the other hand was he just 'burnt out'? He played a lot of hockey in that Bingo playoff run.. KK relied a lot on him.

He has a great shot, he is physical, pretty good on the faceoff and PK-- I just think he is McLean's type of player... one he would prefer to keep.

Don't get me wrong Hjarlmasson (sp?) would be good on defense... but I think he could be had for another player.
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0 #100 spezzerman 2012-06-16 18:33
that Hjalmarsson for Smith trade started by a Hockeybuzz blogger so I assume it is made up. IF it were true I would do it, and then strongly consider drafting Tom Wilson at #15. Or maybe add to the package Bishop for Chicago's #1, 18th overall and presumably get a solid D-prospect and Wilson with those two picks.
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+2 #101 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-06-16 19:56
I didn't even know Don Cherry knew how to type.
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+2 #102 lbernier 2012-06-16 20:44
off topic but I was out at the bar and saw Dustin Byfulgin randomly come in. The Ramdom part was it was a small town 4 hours from Winnipeg. I am a Sens fan, but actually getting to see him in person he is one F**king huge dude!!! Asked what brought him here and he was like just to party and watch some fishing as we are hosting the Walleye Masters right now. lol Just so random lol And Big Buff was pounding them back hard at the bar too lol
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-4 #103 SensFanInMTL 2012-06-16 23:15
On the topic still on Nash: You know, we can want him or not, at the end of the day, if Murray wants him, he'll somehow get it done, which means guys we do not want to be moved (ie: Zibanejad, Silfverberg, etc.), could unfortunately be part of a deal. Spezza is not even the age of 30 and is considered a veteran. Nash is about a year younger and is also considered a veteran and with Alfredsson not going to last forever (as part of the active roster anyway), Spezza cannot do it alone and would need a guy like Nash on his wing. This is how I'd like to see it, regardless of what anyone thinks, so shut it. No anger.


If Nash wears red and black:
Zibanejad (this one pains me), Bishop, Michalek and the rights to Foligno are history.

Silfverberg - Spezza - Nash
Stone - Turris - Alfredsson
Regin - Smith - Neil
Greening - O'Brien - Condra




If continued rebuild w/o Nash
Michalek - Spezza - Stone
Silfverberg - Zibanejad - Alfredsson
Foligno - Smith - Neil
Greening - Regin - Condra

No disrespect to Greening but enough with these 7th rounders as top 6. Exception of Stone. Because he is Stone. And I just realized that I forgot Turris if Nash is not apart of the team. So Spezza, Regin, Zibanejad, Smith, O'Brien, Turris and plans on resigning Winchester will have a shitload of centremen? What is Murray planning on doing? There's too many damn prospects and surely as most of you guys mentioned, not everyone will have a career here in Ottawa. We'll just have to wait until draft day.
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+1 #104 KJ-Sens 2012-06-16 23:22
@conservativeHippie

I assume you have proof the site is busted then? BTW, it is not busted for me, and never has been that I recall, even when he switched servers(except when Senchirp annouced it was down via Twitter). I don't use Bell, so maybe there is a commonality there amongst users experiencing the problem.

But, you guessed wrong bud. I have nothing to do with the admin of this site. I am just a fan of Chirp like you and so many others.

But, I am tired of Hockey related posts like this one getting hijacked by computer issues. If you experience problems, why don't you do the honourable thing and send Chirp an email with details on what your experience is.

I merely offered you, or others, a way to find out what's happening between server and client and more importantly a way for Chirp's admin to look into the problem by sending him/her the trace from using those tools. But, you got all offended.

Sorry Dude. If you don't want to help be a part of the solution, then don't complain, as you are not making things better by threatening to leave, or blaming Chirp's admin. He likely, at this point, doesn't know either why or even what is happening for some of the user population, but not others.

But, if you offer to help provide them info, maybe this thing can be solved and we can all move on.


KJ
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+1 #105 Floridasensfan 2012-06-17 06:41
I was not able to get on yesterday at some points, seems like an overload of people trying to access the site or people trying to access the site of others you share a server with.

if that is the case when hockey season comes around it will be a huge problem.
now is a perfect time to get it resolved.
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+2 #106 AlfieforMayor11 2012-06-17 07:50
I don't understand these trade ideas for Nash that involve Michalek. Michalek isn't a number one winger on a contending team, but of we can find a way to add Nash and keep Michalek, our top six would look very strong. If we trade Michalek in a deal for Nash, we'd still have only 4 or 5 legit top six players.
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-2 #107 The Apostle 2012-06-17 07:53
Quoting KJ-Sens:
@conservativeHippie

I assume you have proof the site is busted then? BTW, it is not busted for me, and never has been that I recall, even when he switched servers(except when Senchirp annouced it was down via Twitter). I don't use Bell, so maybe there is a commonality there amongst users experiencing the problem.

But, you guessed wrong bud. I have nothing to do with the admin of this site. I am just a fan of Chirp like you and so many others.

But, I am tired of Hockey related posts like this one getting hijacked by computer issues. If you experience problems, why don't you do the honourable thing and send Chirp an email with details on what your experience is.

I merely offered you, or others, a way to find out what's happening between server and client and more importantly a way for Chirp's admin to look into the problem by sending him/her the trace from using those tools. But, you got all offended.

Sorry Dude. If you don't want to help be a part of the solution, then don't complain, as you are not making things better by threatening to leave, or blaming Chirp's admin. He likely, at this point, doesn't know either why or even what is happening for some of the user population, but not others.

But, if you offer to help provide them info, maybe this thing can be solved and we can all move on.


KJ




did you see the bit when chirp said this

I'd like to encourage everyone that is having issues to explain them in the comment section. Going to ask that the host read through all the issues to see if there is a way we can get things back on track.
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-5 #108 St Nick 2012-06-17 08:02
To Columbus: Silfverberg, Foligno, Bishop, 2013 1st rd pick
To Ottawa: Rick Nash LW

To Winnipeg: 2012 1st rd pick, Condra, Butler & Regin
To Ottawa: Zack Bogosian RD

UFA Signing: Bryan Allen LD

Nash - Spezza - Michalek
Greening - Turris - Alfredsson
Z. Smith - Zibanejad - Stone
Dzuirzynski - JOB - Neil/Konopka
- Noesen replaces Alfredsson when or if he retires

Cowen - Karlsson
Allen - Bogosian
Phillips - Gonchar/Carkner
- if Gonchar gets traded this yr, he can be replaced by either Wiercioch or Murray trades for another young right shot defenceman.

Anderson - Lehner
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-1 #109 GreeningTheMonster 2012-06-17 08:25
Quoting St Nick:
To Columbus: Silfverberg, Foligno, Bishop, 2013 1st rd pick
To Ottawa: Rick Nash LW

To Winnipeg: 2012 1st rd pick, Condra, Butler & Regin
To Ottawa: Zack Bogosian RD

UFA Signing: Bryan Allen LD

Nash - Spezza - Michalek
Greening - Turris - Alfredsson
Z. Smith - Zibanejad - Stone
Dzuirzynski - JOB - Neil/Konopka
- Noesen replaces Alfredsson when or if he retires

Cowen - Karlsson
Allen - Bogosian
Phillips - Gonchar/Carkner
- if Gonchar gets traded this yr, he can be replaced by either Wiercioch or Murray trades for another young right shot defenceman.

Anderson - Lehner


Oops I put a thumbs up to this by accident.

I'm anxious to see what moedozer has to say about having silvferberg in that first trade :0
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-1 #110 GreeningTheMonster 2012-06-17 08:28
Quoting oakster15:
I think we need to keep getting players with ridiculous names to mess with the announcers. Daugavins, Zibanejad, possibly Hjalmarsson, plus we might draft that Slater Koekkoek


I read somewhere yesterday that Koekkoek is pronounced Kew-kewk
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0 #111 senskarlsson57 2012-06-17 08:34
Quoting GreeningTheMonster:
Quoting oakster15:
I think we need to keep getting players with ridiculous names to mess with the announcers. Daugavins, Zibanejad, possibly Hjalmarsson, plus we might draft that Slater Koekkoek


I read somewhere yesterday that Koekkoek is pronounced Kew-kewk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FVzjBi6AEMA#!

This is his first OHL goal, and the commentator seems to pronounce it like Cook-Cook or Kew-Kewk as you said..
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+1 #112 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-06-17 08:40
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
I don't understand these trade ideas for Nash that involve Michalek. Michalek isn't a number one winger on a contending team, but of we can find a way to add Nash and keep Michalek, our top six would look very strong. If we trade Michalek in a deal for Nash, we'd still have only 4 or 5 legit top six players.


@ AFM,

You are exactly correct, that it would not make sense in trading Michalek in a deal for Nash. And if Alfie retires, it makes it even more demanding to replace him on 2nd line.

I stil maintain that Sens should not give more than 3 players to obtain Nash!! Leafs gave 3 1st round picks for Kessel,whom I would compare to Nash !
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+4 #113 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-06-17 08:49
Or how about we just leave Nash alone let some other team overpay, and allow our prospects to develop and cultivate a team that will hopefully contend for years and years down the road.
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+3 #114 AlfieforMayor11 2012-06-17 08:59
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Or how about we just leave Nash alone let some other team overpay, and allow our prospects to develop and cultivate a team that will hopefully contend for years and years down the road.


I'm with you on this one. Although it would be nice to add Nash, the asking price is just too high. Patience is key when building a contending team. Look at LA for example. They built through the draft for years and Lombardi was very patient. It wasn't until this past year that they decided to move some young assets for more established players.

I hope Murray stays patient. At the end of the day this is still a rebuild. Try to bring in top talent through free agency, and if we can't lure any big names to Ottawa then stay the course and hold on to our picks and prospects for a couple more seasons. There's no rush to contend right away.
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+1 #115 Hax 2012-06-17 09:01
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
I don't understand these trade ideas for Nash that involve Michalek. Michalek isn't a number one winger on a contending team, but of we can find a way to add Nash and keep Michalek, our top six would look very strong. If we trade Michalek in a deal for Nash, we'd still have only 4 or 5 legit top six players.


@ AFM,

You are exactly correct, that it would not make sense in trading Michalek in a deal for Nash. And if Alfie retires, it makes it even more demanding to replace him on 2nd line.

I stil maintain that Sens should not give more than 3 players to obtain Nash!! Leafs gave 3 1st round picks for Kessel,whom I would compare to Nash !


But if we moved Michalek+ for Nash then Murray has many more options to "backfill" for MM9. I agree that it doesn't help our top 6 numbers-wise, but Nash is > MM9 (as much as I like Michalek).

But I do agree that the price for Nash is likely to be too high. Hopefully Murray is working on it of course as you never know, but I am confident he won't overpay.
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+1 #116 AlfieforMayor11 2012-06-17 09:06
I also don't know where people get the idea that Bobby Ryan is still on the trading block. Bob Murray told everyone before the deadline that Ryan was no longer available, and that when he was available he wanted another big name player in return like a Jordan Staal or Ryan Suter.

I also think its pretty funny when people insist that Ryan would be more productive in Ottawa on a line with Spezza, as if they don't realize that Ryan has been playing with Getzlaf and Perry most of his career.
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+1 #117 Tcharger 2012-06-17 09:58
Right on schedule ...back on my cell phone.

Not sure who posted the Nash/bog trade but holy crap no.

Worst suggestions I have literally ever seen on here.
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0 #118 oakster15 2012-06-17 10:40
This is a good profile on him. Didn't know he was a local boy. Lived in Ottawa when he was young before moving out west.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWE0ZS-tDuk&feature=related
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-1 #119 Tcharger 2012-06-17 11:09
New post up
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0 #120 KJ-Sens 2012-06-17 20:41
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting KJ-Sens:
@conservativeHippie

I assume you have proof the site is busted then? BTW, it is not busted for me, and never has been that I recall, even when he switched servers(except when Senchirp annouced it was down via Twitter). I don't use Bell, so maybe there is a commonality there amongst users experiencing the problem.

But, you guessed wrong bud. I have nothing to do with the admin of this site. I am just a fan of Chirp like you and so many others.

But, I am tired of Hockey related posts like this one getting hijacked by computer issues. If you experience problems, why don't you do the honourable thing and send Chirp an email with details on what your experience is.

I merely offered you, or others, a way to find out what's happening between server and client and more importantly a way for Chirp's admin to look into the problem by sending him/her the trace from using those tools. But, you got all offended.

Sorry Dude. If you don't want to help be a part of the solution, then don't complain, as you are not making things better by threatening to leave, or blaming Chirp's admin. He likely, at this point, doesn't know either why or even what is happening for some of the user population, but not others.

But, if you offer to help provide them info, maybe this thing can be solved and we can all move on.


KJ




did you see the bit when chirp said this

I'd like to encourage everyone that is having issues to explain them in the comment section. Going to ask that the host read through all the issues to see if there is a way we can get things back on track.


Still, you should send him an email with your details. That way, we can keep hockey talk, hockey talk. Not saying your issue isn't important, and I believe it is, since you come here regularily. :)

KJ
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