A few bits and pieces of Senators related news to get you through this Wednesday afternoon.
- Malcolm Subban was in town yesterday and word is the club is expected to bring in more players today and later on this week. Other than Subban, no names have surfaced but I'll be sure to update here and on Twitter when the info becomes available.
- Still no update in the negotiations with Erik Karlsson as the Senators have yet to submit a formal offer to the restricted free agent defenceman. A week from now, Erik Karlsson should have his first Norris Trophy in tow which should give him a little additional leverage in negotiations.
- Karlsson’s defence partner, Filip Kuba, is still expected to hit the free agent market on July 1. The Sens have softened their stance a little bit and hinted that they would be interested in brining Kuba back but only on a short term deal at a lower cap hit. Can't imagine Kuba would be interested in that kind of deal after a solid bounce back season in 2011/2012.
- Meanwhile, reports suggest that Matt Gilroy, who is also scheduled to be a UFA on July 1, has already been told he won’t be coming back. Garrioch suggests the Senators would like to bring back Matt Carkner and Jesse Winchester but have yet to make up their mind on Zenon Konopka.
- Adding a top six forward remains one of the top priorities for the Senators this off season. Up front, they could go the trade route and try to hit a home run with a guy like Rick Nash or Bobby Ryan. Still think Rick Nash is a guy the Sens will seriously consider. Options are limited in free agency but you can bet that if Zach Parise hits the open market (which seems very unlikely) the Senators would show interest. Don't be surprised to hear PA Parenteau's name come up in connection with the Sens although I worry what he might bring in on the open market.
- It has been and will continue to be the elephant in the room this off season. With all the excitement over the Draft and free agency, there is a dark cloud that hangs over the 2012/2013 season. The current Collective Bargaining Agreement is set to expire and the process of hammering out a new one will be anything but smooth. TSN’s Bob McKenzie was answering questions on Twitter last week and suggested that he would be surprised if the season actually started on time. Would be a damn shame to see the league fail to capitalize on the momentum of the Los Angeles Kings winning a cup and giving the game a huge boost in a significant North American market.
- Hope to make it down to Big Rig Brewery tonight for some birthday celebrations. For those that are interest, I’ll try to post some reviews and reactions on Twitter and in the comment section.
Still a little in and out for me as well. Have been assured that issues are nothing to do with the new server and rather have to do with something on the user's end.
Makes it a little tricky to diagnose and solve each issue unfortunately.
Bringing in a Nash WILL cost us our top prospects. You're crazy if you think we'll be able to package loose ends for him. So instead of having three scoring lines as we've spent the last 4 years building through the draft for, the Senators of the future will have all their eggs on the top line. Sound familiar? The reason why we never won anything when we were top heavy was because it is so easy for the opponents D to shut us down.
Depth in the playoffs is vital. Superstars are far from vital. Boston won the cup last year with ZERO superstars in their top 6.
Patience is a virtue, quick fixes are lame.
That sounds like the situation though, I haven't had any problems other than the 1st night when the site wasn't available. Some of the caching issues could actually be with the internet providers and not the computers or users' systems themselves.
Quoting Round Leaf:
The point is that we have so many good prospects we can trade half and keep half and still have the depth throughout the roster after having traded for a true #1 winger. It won't cost all 5 of our top prospects in the trade, so the remaining 2 or 3 will still fill out the 2nd and 3rd lines. (Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Stone, Noesen, Puempel)
Also Boston has several superstars on their team, including 2 goalies, one of the top 3 Dmen in the league and the best power forward there is. Not to mention the up and coming star in Seguin, and the best 2 way player in Bergeron (he was on the olympic roster). Getting the perfect mix of depth like Boston is a lot harder to do than any of the other models out there.
I would try and sign him (not likely, he'll go somewhere in the US with a better chance to win) but I don't think I'd trade for Nash or Ryan. A trade for either would cost a roster player and top quality picks and prospects. I'm just not sure I'd be ready to give up future depth for one guy now. Bobby Ryan, being the younger and likely lower costing of the two I'd consider being worthwhile however at the right price.
You know, get people there hockey fix :)
You have to understand not every prospect makes it. Yes, the guys we trade away may not make it, but the guys we keep may not either. Having a handful of guys with a chance to make it will guarantee some depth, but it's a risky game to trade 2 or 3 for one because if the guys you keep don't turn out that's when the unbalance happens. Teams that rebuild well don't make these kinds of trades until their first waive of prospects from the rebuild come up and they're on the verge of contending. We're not one player away from a cup. Let's let our guys develop, and when we're close to winning it, then we can trade our remaining prospects who we likely have yet to acquire for that guy who will put us over the top
Round Leaf is correct that the cost will be high of course, but until we know for sure that it's TOO HIGH I say it's worth looking into.
Spezza shouldn't have to go another season with 1 1/2 muckers on his line (I consider MM9 half-mucker since he could be great on that line if he's considered the third option behind Spezza and Nash/Ryan).
Having said that (and not to contradict myself too much) I don't that Spezza needs a guy who's one of the top 5 wingers in the league. He just needs a guy who's a no-doubt top line winger. So if the price for Nash gets crazy then look at Ryan. If the price for Ryan is too high look elsewhere again.
I think there's options to get an established guy now rather than wait for one of our prospects to turn into a legit first line winger (and really, I'm not sure any of our prospects are guaranteed to get to that level), and to do so without cleaning out the cupboards completely.
Will actually be attending that event this year if all goes according to plan. Includes a town hall style thing with Murray and MacLean. Should make for a good blog post afterwards.
I have to completely disagree with that, I think we are a lot closer to contending than you. Also, yes not all prospects work out, but there are certain ones you know will be at least 3rd or 2nd line NHL players. Some are high risk/high reward like Puempel who could be a 1st line sniper or never make a dent in the NHL, but there are others like Zibanejad and Noesen that you know will have an NHL career to some extent. Daigle never became what most hoped, but if you ignore his draft position, he had a decent NHL career and his floor was always at contributing in the NHL to some extent.
So yes Stone may never skate well enough to be a top 6 consistently, but again, what if we keep them all and they all flake out, wouldn't you have rather had 1 guaranteed star instead? Too many ifs here for me, but I try to scout these prospects a bit more than most fans, and I believe that if we traded any 2, at least 1 of the remaining 3 would work out for us.
Also, our first wave already arrived, that's why we did so well this past year. Most fans didn't even realize we had a wave ready to contribute this year, hence the "over achievement" as some like to call it.
This morning the same issues kept arrising for me. I type in senschirp.ca and my internet freezes, literally if I have 4 pages loaded they all freeze. Only site to ever do this.
Then I decide to google "senschirp". I get all the listings and links to various posts etc, every link I click on doesn't work. So this shows its not a cache issue. When I go this route, my internet doesn't freeze, instead i get a "cannot be displayed message siting DNS issues
Will that help your host server understand?
I think we're 2 players from being a serious contender. 1 top 3 winger and 1 top 4 D. We can wait 3 years for one to develop or try to get them this off season through signings or trades, but at that point Spezza will be starting his decline, Alfie, Phillips and Gonchar won't be around.
Completely agree with you Hax, and you probably stated it better than I have. I'm not saying go after Nash at all costs, but if the price is reasonable (2 prospects and the pick, or 3 prospects + role players) it's worth doing.
Happy Birthday btw. I will deff be there on the 28th, wallowing in my 5th place finish in the playoff pool, hoping to get a few photos and signatures.
Personally I hope that we go off the beating path(slightly) and go for Ryan.
In today's NHL it is almost impossible to create a dynasty team. Heck look at what Boston did this year after dominating for the whole year.
The closest thing we have gotten in the past 10 years was a Pitt vs Det rematch in the cup final
If we can unload some of our multitude of prospects to give us a better chance while still remaining focus on "its not now or never" we might as well. One homerun deal may push us to the cup (Like the Kings) and that type of effect will then provide a decade of benefits to the organization, beginning with owner all the way down to the bandwagon fan
Even if the site has recently changed to a new server? I honestly know so little about this stuff that I'm really just listening to what people tell me.
If Murray has a chance to trade for a player like Nash, he should go for it no matter which prospects it could cost us. I doubt it would be more than 4 players & the 2013 1st rd pick. Most likely one of those four may be on the roster now (Foligno/Greeni ng), a goalie would also likely be included (Bishop), so that only leaves two prospects to pick from. Nash would improve our team tremendously & we can replace any roster/prospect s lost in this trade internally or through free agency or trade.
Surprised to see Gilroy let go, he had decent wheels but I guess lacked the hockey sense but I thought he could have been used in a trade package. Hope they re-sign Carkner but not Konopka, we have better players internally.
They can sense that lol. I have dealt with many network guys, ISP's and hosting service tech reps to know that. I usually play stupid long enough to know whether or not they are being honest.
If it happens again to me, I will run another tracert and compare it to one I am getting now and report back to you.
Pretty sure it is a DNS/routing issue though but lemme try to confirm.
as I said in the last topic, I think I know someone who does or at least used to work for Netelligent Hosting Services. I can check and see if I can help. Just let me know whether or not you want me too. Don't want to step on anyone's toes
Decent point and of course there is risk, but hard to get the "reward" without the risk. I trust our scouts and the Murrays to make educated decisions on which guys we'd be willing to move and which ones we won't.
My completely uneducated thinking:
Noesen and Silfverberg are completely untouchable unless we're offered a one-for-one with Nash or something insane.
Zibanejad is in that group too if he's considered to be 100% healthy (rumors of concussion issues make me worry).
Lehner should only be moved if we're similarly blown away with an offer or if there's enough truth to the attitude rumors that I personally don't think have merit.
Anyone else should be considered if the return is high enough. Again, don't clear out the cupboards and don't give away the likes of Puempel, Prince, Stone etc unless we're getting amazing returns and will still have enough depth to stay in "rebuild" mode to a degree.
Definitely sounds like a DNS problem. Those users having problems are probably being routed to the old IP address that represents senschirp. But there are many caches between an end user and the website server beyond just their web browser cache. If you post your new IP address, they should be able to use that instead of the web address to connect to the new site.
Sites like this http://doj.me/ should be tried in these types of situations by users to see if it's a global problem or just isolated incidents.
We will have togive up one of Zibanejad, Silfverberg, or Neosen. It will hurt. For sure!! But we will have about 10 good years of eliteness with Spezza and Nash together.
These players just never come on the market. We have plenty of assets to give up
with that said, i wouldn't be suprised to see Burke swap picks with Edmonton to grab Yakupov. as everyone knows, Edmonton needs defensive help in a bad way.
Leafs could offer up Gardiner etc. and move up 3 spots.
This would give Edmonton an immediate top 4 defensman and they'd still be picking in the 5th spot to take Murray or Dumba.
Re-sign Konopka with the understanding that he would be the 13th forward. I suspect he would be ok with such an understanding if it means he remains in Ottawa.
Ditto for me chirp, exactly the same issues from my end
Would agree with Kono over Winnie if we have to choose only one. But if we're able to move out some other forwards as part of packages to get our top 3 winger or top 4 D etc then I'd rather have Winchester over Condra, Daugavins and of course Butler.
But as everyone probably agrees, the decisions on the bottom six guys are small change - we have plenty of guys to fill those roles.
Completely agree, we are not, nor should we be the most desperate team, and therefore will not be the highest bidder.
Ryan would fit in perfectly, kind of reminds me of a James Neal, and he was a steal for Pitts. In hindsight Neal would have been a great fit too.
The highest bidder doesn't normally win these sweepstakes because the players have NTCs and refuse to go there. Remember Heatley and Edmonton?
True. Not the best comparable (hopefully anyway) but true.
Having said that, I don't think we'll be able to outbid all the other teams on Nash's "get me out" list. But I assume we'll exhaust all options there before we bow out and let someone else overpay.
Right, but the problem there is that we would be the Edmonton in the Nash case... I am not sure if we are one of his selected teams that he would go to right now.
I'm hoping that the fact that we keep hearing that Murray is talking to CBJ means that we're on Nash's list. Murray of all people would be wary of wasting his team like what happened to Edmonton thanks to Dany.
But A) we don't really know for sure if they're talking at all and B) CBJ might think they can talk Nash into approving an Ottawa trade but be wrong.
I wish I could fast forward to October and get a peek at our lineup.
or better yet fast forward to next June and pick the Stanley cup Champs... we could make a few bucks :)
I hear you Hax, we have so many extra bodies, with a few budding stars that should crack the lineup, I think we are in store for quite a few changes before our first game next year. But as I have mentioned I do not think I would want anyone else driving this bus then BM and his team, I really trust their judge of talent, and therefore they will keep the cream of the crop, and trade the rest for whatever else we may need... interesting times to say the least
Chirp, I've been going to this event for 5+ years.. I truly enjoy it... You get to meet all of the prospects and get their autograph as well -- if you want..... The Q&A is quite good as well...
Agreed, but Nash > Heatley, he's not 1 dimensional.
Look I like the idea of getting Nash and didn't think it was possible until Murray's quantity for quality statement. Whether it's Nash, Kane, Perry, Ryan or whoever else, I just hope we get a 1st line winger for Spezza before he needs a walker.
Did you ever think of that? Ryan Murray... wow now that would be good wouldn't it?
No one knows for sure what will happen. Apparently Murray & Dorion will be speaking tomorrow about the draft..
Everyone knows how I feel about Lehner.. but thinking about it.. We were all so excited after Bishop was acquired. The first time in modern team history the Sens had very decent goaltending depth. Now all we want to do is trade it away.
After Anderson -- then either Lehner or Bishop (if one is moved)... there is absolutely nothing... Nothing in Bingo.. Lehner is the only goalie right now with a contract to play in Binghamton...
Minnesota & Florida have not had great NHL seasons.. until Florida this year.. but their prospects are 1, 2 overall as having the best in the NHL. They kept them.. developed them... and once they feed into the NHL teams... they will become pretty good teams...
Not every team like Edmonton, Chicago, Pittsburgh have to stink for a long time to get top 3 picks every year.. to be a great team in the future.
Some teams just draft good. Take time to develop what they have... like LA.. then when they feel they are close.. they trade for those players that put them over the top.. ie.. Carter & Richards...
Looking at LA.. we can't say that the Sens could compete with that.. No way in hell...
Patience...
We all thought going into this past season the Sens would be picking in the lottery... Re-building for 3 to 4 yrs.. Now with making the playoffs in yr 1.. all of that is thrown away?
I hope not..
That's a great idea Sandy. Bishop and our 15th for their 2nd and a late pick?
Giving up 2nd overall doesn't fit with the direction that CBJ seems to be going. In return for a young prospect and a pick they might do it but I think they want to keep that pick - even if partly for appearances for the fans.
If they're really going to get rid of Nash they need someone to promote and a second overall pick can be that person.
I agree they are likely going for a franchise type player, but I think they want something more franchisey than a dman, but just my opinion. They're really the first domino that should get things going at the draft, but I think they may just pick one of the forwards.
Yeah I expect them to take Alex Galchenyuk. But I suppose they'd be happy to listen to offers if some team offers them some guy that they could put on their ticket stock.
You're absolutely right and for that statement, you receive a thumbs up. Myself and only my opinion I am not interested in signing Parenteau nor interested in getting rid of Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Noesen, Puempel, Prince and Pageau. And I realize that Michalek, the rights to Foligno and Bishop is simply not enough but so in the end, it will unfortunately cost us one of those prospects mentioned above to the added 3 for Nash. Seeing as we're stocked on great CHL prospects and Sweedish dudes, would it hurt to give up either this year's or next year's 1st round or is that not efficient enough?
Chirp, i don't see how the guy can say there's definitely no fault at his end. There weren't any problems until the server migration. It must be, at the very list, an issue with how the new server operates with some operating systems and browsers.
Looking at it from the Senators' perspective, your talking parting with future potential franchise prospects which include. Cowen, Zibanejad, Stone, Silverberg, Puempel, Neosen; a Lehner in nets, as well as high draft picks, and NHL ready players such as a Michalek or Foligno.
So basically, we would do a reverse-rebuild in literally one trade.
No thank you.
This man needs to be elected.
+1
We'll have to see how it pans out. Certainly if the bidding gets out of control then I would hope we'd GTFO, but Nash has made it pretty clear he doesn't want to be back - so is anyone really going to overpay? It's not as bad as the Heatley situation (at least not yet, as far as we know) but it's possible he doesn't actually get fair value.
Worth kicking tires for sure. And he's 27 and healthy. Not like you'd be getting some grizzled veteran or guy about to begin his downturn in his career.
^^^this
If we want to speed up the rebuild a tad, we could do something similar to the Turris trade. We have a bunch of young forwards waiting in the wings, so I'd like to see another Dman added.
DeHaan could be a possible target.
If we want to target a more proven winger, I'd go for Evander Kane.
I think if negotiations become more and more stretched out, the asking price may drop, but not by much.
I DO think that Ottawa obviously has the assets to make a trade like this, and can possibly STILL survive with the prospects that are kept for the future of the team. What I'm not a fan of, is giving up on the guys that have come so far and have taken so many strides to finally have a shot of making this roster [Cowen, Mika, Silfverberg, Stone, Lehner], and have all that gone in an instant for one player.
But we should all be glad. Ottawa is in a very very favorable position. We have the assets to make moves, as well as the luxury of seeing them develop and eventually contribute on a high level. Not many teams can say the same.
Exactly. I think that Chirp had mentioned earlier that the Senators expressed an interest in Marc Methot who, coincidentally enough, plays for the Blue Jackets. If the Sens really are kicking tires with the Blue Jackets, wouldn't it be more logical to think it revolves around Methot and not Nash? Murray most likely realizes that, with Kuba leaving (God willing), we'll need to fill a hole on defense; he doesn't expect to be in on the Suter fiasco on July 1 and doesn't want to overpay for one of the lower tier free agent D. Hence trade for a decent top 4 from a firesale team a la cheap.
Anyone who is having problems accessing the site should try this command. This will remove the cache pointing senschirp.ca to the old IP address. There's a time to live setting that will resolve the issue eventually...li ke 3 days.
Agreed. One of those guys on your list would be "okay" - you have to give to get, but no more than that. If we have to give up two of those guys (I'd add Noesen to the list) then pass and keep planning for 2-3 years from now.
I've been dreaming of it for years. Such a great talent going to waste in Columbus.
unfortunately, id say slim to none only because we do not have a 2nd round pick and dont think he would slip to our 3rd round. and i personally know nothing about the kid other than he is small, and has pretty good offensive numbers in the J20. dont think the team would want to pick him only based on his name.
Oh crap.
Here's hoping they work it out. I don't want it falling through and Kelly ending up clogging up our bottom six.
Murray has the assets. All you need to do is look at the Turris deal.
"No way Ottawa gets Turris" is all I read on this board, and heard around town. Yet. bamn. there it is. He trades an "untouchable" in Rundblad, and fans cry foul. Well, no one is crying about that deal now.
If BM and management team feel Nash is a key component, and Nash wants to come, it will go down (I would wager Alfie gives BM his intention to come back immediately if that in fact actually happens). What is the price? Howson's team is not even close to contending, so they would take back a roster player (got to get to the cap floor-what is it, like 50mil this year?), a prospect (probably nhl ready or close), and a pick (likely 1st rounder, since we don't have a second at the moment). Hell maybe he even takes back two roster players instead of the prospect. BM is not afraid to make room and use his own prospects to fill our roster.
KJ
Marc Methot is a 5,6 defenceman getting paid $3 million a year! We already have Chris Philips in that role. I live in Calgary and have seen Methot about a dozen times and he would be an enormous waste of cash/prospect/p ick, should Murray pick him up. There are about 5 people on here that love the "idea" of having him in Ottawa because he is a hometown boy. You will all hate him if he ends up in Ottawa, because he can't live up to his contract. Columbus overpay people to play there and he is not the first; Mike Commodore & James Wisniewski ring any bells? I hope to Alfie that we aren't stuck with him in a trade because there will be daily discussion of how to rid our team of him for the entire length of his contract. We may as well play Gyrba or Borocop with Philips and save a few million of Uncle Euge's cash.
That would be a good return for Nash. I agree.
People forget Nash is still young. Would give Sens value for some time to come.
KJ
Foligno, Bishop, Zibanejad, and our 1st would be reasonable for Nash.
I'll be pissed if Silfverberg is included tho...
Get 'er done Murray!!
Here's the trade that Murray has worked out with CBJ - should be announced in the next 48 hours:
To Ottawa:
2nd overall pick 2012 (to select Ryan Murray)
Boone Jenner
Jack Johnson
To Columbus:
Jason Spezza
Bryan Murray is trying to get them to take Butler as well.
It's a rebuild people!
(kidding)
If the past three days have been any guide I have approximately 3 hours of connectivity left before the site goes dark again.
Whatever is going to happen today better happen quickly.
Dude L.A gave up Schenn (a prospect that was and still is above all of ours) AND they gave up what is now a 30 goal scorer in Simmonds AND a 2nd round pick to get Richards. Did it hurt them? I think not.
L.A gave up Jack Johnson and a first round pick in either 2012 or 2013 to acquire Carter. Did it hurt them? I think not.
Dont be a fool thinking, Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Puempel, Prince, Stone, Pageau, Noesen, Culek will all make the team, if you think that you have no idea how a rebuild works.
I know, isnt it ridiculous?
Only team to win the Cup by drafting more than adding pieces is Pittsburgh, where they got lucky and won Crosby but they did draft Malkin and Staal and Fleury. ONLY team...
And we dont have any Crosby's, Malkin's or Staal's in our prospect pools. So we aint doing it that way, we are a team that will develop certain players we feel are top 6 (not much, Silf, Zib, Noesen) and the rest will be used to acquire key pieces to win the Cup.
I think if you temper individual comments (some on the extreme homer side and some on the extreme impartial side) you get what ends up being pretty much a consensus.
And that is: You have to give to get but nobody wants to see the future completely mortgaged.
I think everyone would agree that Nash would be great on our team and if the trade included Zibanejad but wasn't otherwise an overpayment they'd be thrilled (though always tough to give up any player with potential). At the same time, I think we'd all agree that a gross overpayment isn't worth it for Nash (or anyone).
We can debate what the exact right price is but since we'd all agree on the extremes I think we're closer to being on the same page than most people think.
Extreme low payment for Nash everyone would do: Zibanejad plus our first.
Extreme overpayment nobody would accept: Noesen, Silfverberg and Cowen.
I'm not a fan of having a team that is top line heavy. You need to have depth in this league to win, a la Boston, LA, Philly, Vancouver [although bad example this year]. What I'm saying is I'd rather have a surplus of bluechip prospects that will force the roster to round out to one that has 3 very good lines in the future, than one that has 1 maybe 2 good lines. Those types of teams are easily figured out and shut down.
Parise would be a better, more affordable option, but that remains to be seen if anyone if going to offer him 8+mil on the open market, or if he even wants to play in Ottawa.
P. Kane would also be a nice addition at a better cost than Nash, although we would have to consider the possibility of another Redden...
Parenteau looks good, but mainly for a second line winger, which would still leave us empty up front.
Tyler Ennis would be someone id look at for a possibility of a trade, but considering how much Myers just RFA'd for, Ennis will prob get a similar treatment. It is highly unlikely that BUF would trade him anyways, also he plays center.
So... When is the NHL/NHLPA planning on talking about the CBA? I think I saw something like mid-Sept which is ridiculous...
@ Sens4Eva,
Your above deal for Nash (Bishop, Michalek, and our 15th is
a fair deal for both parties.) The suggested 4 or 5 player deals for Nash are simply out of proprtion, and should never happen.
I am sure Bryan Murray will not go better than 3 for 1 ,and will target another sniper, should Howson want too much for Nash.
Cleared cache about 648372625263748 48373625 times literally ...again there is absolutely no way it is on the users end as it goes down on my home network/my mobile data at the exact same time
Thats a gross overpayment, they dont want prospects, they want you roster players.
So instead of naming all of our good young prospects, chill out and think a bit.
It would take something along the lines of:
15th overall
Silfverberg or Zibanejad
Bishop
Michalek or Foligno
That would be plenty to land Nash and doesnt hurt us one bit prospect wise.
Quoting Tcharger:
i feelthe pain for me my hours of senschirp are currently 0915-1245.
Never been down for me, no idea what the problem can be, could be as simple as popping in the new IP, seems like your PC/Laptops/mobi le are trying to connect to the old IP everynow and then..
But jason, those are our best prospects right now. It won't be the end of the world if we give them up, because younger, hungrier, kids are coming up. And who's to say they won't be better than those guys? Players develop at different paces. There are many late round drafts who have gone on to have stellar careers, and vice versa with players drafted in the first round. We have to realize the hard truth: not all prospects will pan out. And as a business, you just can't wait for 3, 4, 5 years down the line and put all your bets on that one prospect or two. Hockey is a business, and it's a fast business.
We cannot assume that alllll of our prospects are going to be franchise players. You have to give, to get.
We have an excess of decent level forward prospects and lower level defensive ones.
If we are going to land Nash we have to understand that one of Zbad, Silfverburg or Stone is going to have to go the other way. Plus our 1st round pick and plus at least one established roster player.
We shouldn't eviscerate our forward prospect pool and it shouldn't take that.
That's only on the work computers. Laptop hasn't been a problem since Monday.
Really? how so, guy is not coming back to the NHL man, give it up.
Was a mistake to get him in the first place.
The trade itself I still have absolutely no issue with...just think he has too much potential
A 3rd rd pick for someone taken 6th overall is a pretty good risk to take.
@ Tookie,( other name too long)
Truly am surprised, that a hockey expert like yourself, would overpay for a guy like Nash. We only got 2 players for Heatley, who was a 2 time 50 goal scorer?? One guy,
Cheechoo, was already on his way out of NHL. So, we basically got Michalek, who turned out very well for the Senators.
As for the website, what I don't get (maybe a techie could help me here) Just cause chirp changed his server that we have to manually change IP locations on our end?
Like what would happen if TSN or hockeybuzz(gulp ) changed servers, would we have to do this for them also? I have never heard of having to do this to make my internet direct elsewhere for a single website..should the old website have a redirect function loaded in????
Murray had no options but to force a deal through for Heatley with SJ. Howson, at this point in time, has options. It's going to take more to get Nash than it did Heatley.
Heatley was already declining as a player when the Senators got rid of him. He went 50-50-41-39 with the Senators and his goal totals have decreased each year since then. If you are so keen to bring up Heatley's 50 goals then you shouldalso point out that Murray brought back a 50 goal scorer. You can't have it both ways. Heatley is never scoring 50 again, they are both former 50 goal scorers.
There is no suggestion that Nash is on the decline in the same way. Nash's numbers are decreasing as well but not so dramatically and Heatley has played on far better teams than Nash has.
it is 184.170.130.170
this is a DNS issue on the host side of it.
NS records have a configurable "time-to-live" parameter that is transmitted with the name/IP information. If your DNS server's cached record just happens to have expired, it will seek out a fresh one. Servers whose records are unexpired will hand out the information without having to seek it out again.
So while the appearance may be that server A is working while B is not; in fact _whatever_ one of them happens to have an expired record would produce an error if either the root servers or the authoritative source to which they point, should fail to respond or produce flawed data.
I was unable to get on again this morning (and can now obviously) it was the same exact thing yesterday
ran a trace both when I could and could not get on and they have the exact same routing locations.
Flushing your DNS as someone above mentioned will not work as the DNS resolver cache is dynamic and constantly changing and updating itself.
Chirp, I am afraid they are telling you it is not an issue on their end, but it is and they are just not seeing it or can't be bothered, one or the other. I do not know how they have things configured but I am 90% sure it is a DNS issue
They may have some sort of server cluster setup for load balancing reasons and it could be that one of the servers in the cluster is not configured properly thus when we are hitting that server we are getting errors
exactly and it is not like the 3 prospects are going to be stone, silfverberg and zibanejad leaving the sens
it would probably be something like stone, bishop, puempel and a role player or stone, puempel, 1st round pick and a later pick
the sens would make out just fine if they kept 2 of stone/zibanejad /silfverberg and 1 of puempel/noesen if it meant they got nash
I don't know what any of that means but it sounds very convincing.
who was the interview with?
Curious as I would like to try to find a link to the recording since I missed it
or if someone has a link even better lol
@ The Apostle,
Agree with all your points , but still to me, 3 for 1 is more than enough!
Tookie is simply " too generous " !!
Brian Murray
I was counting on that cause either do I!!!
HAHA
But Snoop it depends on who the three are. You aren't going to get Nash with (for instance) Zack Smith, Zbad and Gonchar.
I think a deal would be something like 15th pick, Zbad/Stone/Silf , Michalek/Folign o and a lowish prospect such as WireCock or Gryba.
If they are desperate for a tender then Bishop or Lehner replaces one of the other higher end pieces.
That way we don't create an organisational gap (although I am not thrilled about trading away a goalie unless we drafgt one).
I noticed I said Murray and there are 2 in the org. No clue who did the interview, some 1200 guy. They aren't exactly people who's names I need to know.
Hey Apostle,
On an earlier post I was ready to trade Bishop, Michalek
and our 15th this year. Would prefer to send Foligno in lieu of Michalek, but they want Michalek I believe.
I'm not convinced that substituting Michalek for Foligno does either but it's significantly closer. The big knock on Michalek is the injury issue, I think CBJ might want a little extra insurance in case Michaleks knees explode again.
I think you need another roster player at the Greening/Smith/ Condra level or one of lower end prospects like a WireCock or Prince.
When Hossa went to Pittsburgh from Atlanta they had to give up a first, 2 relatively decent roster players and what was considered a high end prospect. That's what I think it will take to get Nash for anybody, unless there is another superstar coming the other way.
Did you hear Murray this morning, he was trying to move up to the Islanders spot last year. It really sounds like Strome was the guy he was after as we didn't have a 2nd C at the time and other interviews have hinted that they had Hamilton higher than Zibanejad on their board but felt they were fine at D as they had Rundblad. I'm not sure he's as high on Zibanejad as everyone thinks he is. Not to say Zibanejad is a bad prospect, he's not, but he may not be the untradeable Alfie replacement many fans are expecting him to be.
Good points, I was never that high on Zbad, dont know why, as you all know I was a Landeskog supporter!
Now with 2 concussions at 19, I would say he isnt untouchable (not that he was to begin with) anymore, if another team is really high on him and willing to take a chance, we could very well see Zbad packaged for a good return.....NASH !
who would you prefer (keeping in mind we know the turris-rundblad trade was to happen)
MZ vs Hamilton
Hamilton would look good as a d prospect next to silf and stone!
Interesting.
And at the deadline, unload newly acquired draft picks or more of the 2011 class to get more pieces if needed.
Silfverberg Spezza Nash (Michalek to CBJ)
Parenteau Turris Alfie (Zbad to CBJ)
Foligno Smith Greening
O'Brien Regin Neil
Jackman Karlsson
Carle Cowen
Philips Gonchar
Borowiecki
Anderson
Lehner (Bishop to CBJ)
Totally doable!
Not bad...
I agree, it's not bad at all. I'm personally not that huge on Parenteau as it would make a really small 2nd line, but I think this would be going in the right direction, especially since we'd still have Stone and Noesen in the wings, possibly Puempel as well.
It's a lot of between the lines clues, such as:
- Quantity for quality
- Zibanejad wasn't necessarily someone they're super high on
- Possibility of trading Lehner or Bishop
- Team looking hard at goalies this draft even in the 1st round
- Stone and Noesen progressing faster than maybe expected
A lot of little things that seem to add up.
No way it takes three of the guys on that list. Even if they want two of them I would hope we'd walk away.
Quoting Misaow:
Nash's cap hit is $7.8M - where are you getting "25%" or that Parise will get less than that??
Quoting Tcharger:
Have to assume Murray knows what he's doing and that Filatov's chances of ever coming to the NHL are slim to none. Maybe if he swings a Q4Q trade he can afford to qualify him but wouldn't he then count against our 50 max or the other "unsigned" max?
Tooks, you cannot say for sure who will be top 6 or not, that is what makes it so difficult to let go of some prospects.
you cannot say that any of Stone, Prince, Pageau or Pumpel will never be in the top 6.
Herein lies the difficulty, if you are GM, which ones are you willing to part with, that you think will NOT come back to haunt you.
Would Nash look good alongside Spezza... no one on this forum will argue that... but at what cost?
I for one firmly believe that there are more desperate teams willing to pay a higher price than us, so lets focus on others... ie Bobby Ryan, what would that cost us???
7.8M / 30M (aprox available cap space) = 26%
I mentioned that Parise could be more affordable, as in we would not have to trade any prospects to get him. He could also cost less, say 7M, but will most likely cost more.
Oh okay - you're talking about available space. I thought you meant 25% of our total cap room (like the OV contract almost was at first).
No way Parise signs for $7M (at least not in Ottawa - maybe with some "about to win a cup" team). And, IMO, Nash is worth every penny of the $7.8M.
Is Ryan someone the Ducks are actually willing to part with, has he indicated he wants out or did management? If that isn't the case, how could you say it wouldn't be an overpayment on Ryan? They have some prospects coming through, but they may not have Selanne back, which would be a big loss for them.
He could do the Hossa shuffle and join LA...
If [Murray] ends up keeping the 15th pick, Murray said he’ll do what he always does and try to pick the best player available, regardless of position.
“It’s always been my theory that you pick the best player … at that time,” he said.
“And if you have to move him to get what you need later on, you probably can do that.”
(swiped from senatorsextra.com)
The key is that last line. If you have two guys nearly equal then consider position. "you can probably do that" basically means if you get a forward that's significantly better than the best D left, you can trade that forward for a D that's better than the D you didn't draft.
So I know this is a pet peeve that many don't care about, but the "best" in "best player available" always means someone that's clearly better than any other option - not "by a nose".
Then makes a trade folingo for bufs 21st and drafts Subban
Always tough to know for sure (the Ducks have not announced it to the world) but there were heavy rumors all over near the trade deadline last year. Corroborated by enough trust-worthy talking heads to mean there had to be something to it.
So while it's possible that things have changed (or everyone was wrong back then) it seems likely that the Ducks would at least listen to offers.
nothing ground breaking but an interesting listen none the less
http://video.senators.nhl.com/videocenter/console
that would be so stupid, no offense and such a lateral unneeded move
yes we have no goaltending depth behind lehner for bingo, buts its also not like we need franchise goalies here.
Why trade a top 6 forward and someone who is producing now, for a goalie who wont produce for 5 years. Even if we like Subban it makes no sense what-so-ever unless Murray believes he has a deal in place for bishop/lehner. and even at that Subban won't be AHL eligble this year, so the whole thing of Lehner is our only AHl contract goalie doesn't get solved
IMO only way we draft Subban is if Murray is 100% certain we are using Lehner to get Nash/Ryan, and doesn't see Bishop as a future franchise goalie, enter Subban
I still support the trade - low risk/high possible reward. Just because we didn't hit a homerun doesn't mean it was a bad idea.
Not qualifying is probably the right decision if some or any of these are true:
* Murray is convinced that Filatov will NEVER come back.
* Murray and his people feel that even if he wanted to he'll never make the NHL (being sent down from the KHL isn't impressive)
* It was mostly due to not having room within whatever category he'd fall into (the 50 max contracts or the 90? players we have rights to)
* Murray wants to make sure other players don't go play in the KHL/SEL and expect to be able to come waltzing back whenever they feel like it
* Murray actually plans to qualify him after all but needs to swing a Q4Q deal first but doesn't want to publicly admit that
All in all it's no great loss IMO.
regardless where you want to classify him he is under the age of 25 and putting up 0.5ppg and improving every year and is one of our few top 9 forwards who is willing to get his nose dirty
People bitch and moan about his Goalie Interference calls, and yes reputations suck, but I for one actually like the fcat he gets these calls, only for the reason teams and goalies have now had to identify him on the ice as someone willing to go to the blue paint.
We need that type of player, and moving him for a 1st round pick is a strict "unload and rebuikd" move which is stupid for us to do
especially when we have lehner and bishop already as young goalies, so regarding other post about Subban it makes 0 sense
Well the AHL backup will undoubtedly be a UFA signing (or throw-in on a trade maybe). If Lehner is going to be the AHL starter they'll want a legit AHL backup, not another goalie prospect. So drafting Subban has nothing to do with next year.
By the same token, it wouldn't likely be an indication of a Bishop trade since (as you point out again) Subban can't play AHL next year and that would leave Murray looking for an NHL backup (or an AHL starter) AND an AHL backup. But of course if there is a Lehner trade in the works he'd still need to find TWO AHL goalies for next year.
All that considered, I can't see us trading Lehner unless we get blown away with an offer that makes it worth it to draft a goalie AND find an AHL starter now. A Bishop trade makes only a little more sense in that we'd immediately need a backup in the NHL or two goalies in the AHL.
Considering Bishop is on a one-year deal, even if we don't trade any goalie drafting a goalie actually makes a lot of sense (though there's no huge rush).
completely agree
and to add to that, trading a current roster player straight up for a pick to draft Subban in the 1st round is beyond stupid since goaltending is the one area we do not need an impact prospect this draft
if we use our own 15 on Subban sure I can live with it, but I still think goalies are better suited to draft in rounds 2-4
Yeah put me down as one who would like to keep Foligno (unless we get a great offer, yada-yada). I don't think we'd need to trade him to get Subban, nor would I want us to. There are a dozen other ways to get Subban if we feel we really want to.
this will help put to rest that Foligno deserves Jones type money
I've been syaing foligno will probably get $5 million over 2 years which is eerily similar to what stewart just got, similar players, stewart maybe more finishing touch
Well the only thing I'll say to that is that we actually do need some more depth (numbers-wise) in goal. But using our 15th would be silly. Unless we get some awesome deal for an earlier pick where we draft Ceci or something but even then most mock drafts have Subban going late first or second.
So maybe flip a forward prospect for a pick that lands us Ceci, then trade our 15th down to get a late first or early second to get Subban??
Now that makes a lot of sense Tookie !!!!!!!!
I will always love Foligno if only for that rumor that he punched out Heatley when his ego was running wild at a team dinner. Even if it's not true it's such an awesome image/story!
Not saying they wont and even IF they do turn out good, we might not have the space in the top 6 by that time, who knows.
I dont even know for sure if Ryan is available, nothing has come out of that camp.
I really dont see how giving up 1 of Zbad/Silf/Stone /Noesen, 1 of Bishop/Lehner and 1 or 2 roster players like Michalek or Foligno + our 15th, would hurt us soooooo much, in my eyes its a no brainer for a player like Nash...deal would include Methot aswell.
Thats hardly the farm, we have excess in the positions we are giving and would gain a top 3 player we desperately need to play with Spezza. Methot is easily a top 4 (closer to 4).
And if we get the guys I hope we are targeting: Carle, Jackman, Parenteau....wi th Noesen, Silf, Stone, Pageau, Boro, Wiercioch, Gryba, Lehner in the wings + our 2012 draft picks...
The rebuild process just grew to Contender process!
TEAM 1200 @TEAM1200Ottawa
According to Yahoo sports, Ryan Suter's Free Agency wishlist does NOT include any Eastern conference team. #NHL
Not that I was holding much hope of landing Suter in the first place though.
but I don't think we need impact depth. Look at guys like Brian Elliott. drafted like 2nd last pick, or Jeff Glass
for now thats really all we need, decent goalies but not elite
You really think Subban would be pumped coming to our organization and having to look up the ladder and see Bishop/Lehner/A nderson in his way
4th round 5th round guys and career AHLers is all we need for a year or two, then we can look at impact goalies again
Why don't Yahoo! just release Suter's wishlist
Wishlist:
Detroit
Nashville
Any team offering more than $8 million
I strongly disagree there, most goalie prospects take 4-7 years, so the longer we wait the less chance we'll have someone to push Lehner or step in if he falters. Our NHL goaltending is only really deep this year, beyond that it starts becoming about hoping Lehner is who we think he is.
Saying you can live with drafting Subban at 15 is stupid ..trading 3rd line player for a late first i say do it ..We have alot Lw players coming ..
Well not to belabor this since I pretty much agree, but...
Bishop is not "in his way" unless we resign him to another contract. Anderson really isn't either since Subban can't possibly expect to be a number 1 goalie in the NHL before Anderson's contract is up.
Lehner is the only one "in his way" since he's another young prospect and I would assume most orgs have someone similar, so whichever team drafts Subban there's likely to be at least one guy he'll have to compete with down the road if he wants to be "the man".
But I agree there's no need to draft an impact goalie this year. But we're full up on forwards and actually have decent numbers at least on the blueline (though not as much impact as I'd like) so if we can grab Subban with our second pick I'm okay with it. So long as our first pick gets us a defenceman (either directly or through some sort of trade sequence).
If we select a goalie with the 15th pick I will seriously flip out...none of them are worth a 1st round pick.
we have a luxury of prospects right now
in all honesty look at other teams and do you believe most actually think of what you just said
"do we have a goalie that is ready to push our future franchise goalie yet?"
cummon now lol. thats exactly what you just said
is NY Rangers deserate for a goalie? what about Boston, or what about Jersey all those years
We are solid now, and don't need to worry about 7 years from now.
Well that's the reason why most teams try to trade for goalies in their early 20s. Some team will get lucky and end up with 2 or 3 guys that look like they're ready for the NHL and trade them off. Drafting goalies is a crap-shoot.
I do agree we need to have some options internally but they can be drafted in the later rounds just as easily without making them useless picks. The difference between goalies taken in the 2nd round to the 6th is not nearly as pronounced as it is for forwards (in terms of likelihood of making the NHL someday).
+20000
exactly, Sens fans are making this "goalie prospect shortage" out to be wayyyyyyyy to important
yes we need more goalies, but its not a top priority, and I'm sure Murray is just going through the motions checking out goalies in town
We need help on defense first and fore most, but Murray is not stupid and he will get us the BPA
"Worry" - no. Plan - yes.
The plan can be:
"just grab a goalie with our fourth pick and see how he looks in 3 years"
"don't draft a goalie at all but plan to draft one next year"
or even "trade for a goalie three years from now"
But Murray does need to have some sort of plan and if he feels we can spend our second pick on Subban then I'm okay with it.
You actually answered your own question. Look at the best teams the last few years, LA, Vancouver, Boston, they all planned a long time ago to have 2 NHL caliber goalies at this time. That's where we want to be in 3 years imo. Rask has been on the bench for years despite being ready to start. Depth from top to bottom is the best way to compete for the cup, and that includes a quality backup even when you have a franchise goalie already.
yes
to me worrying is when you spend "quality" draft picks on goalies
you don't draft a goalie in the 1st or 2nd round unless your worried about your depth. Drafting them past 2nd round is really like you said crapshoot and hope for the best with your BPA
Would be cool if they got him and **** would be associated with the SENS, I could have some inside info...
I'm sure he realizes that many teams would be asking for one of our goalies so if he makes a trade before the draft (or at the draft) he may suddenly need to get a goalie. So while I don't make too much out of them talking to Subban it could very easily be part of a contingency plan should they have to give up Lehner to get the top 3 winger or top pairing D in a trade.
Still don't think they use the 15th pick to get him no matter what though - they'd trade down before they'd do that.
The likelyhood of any goalie being successful in the NHL is, I agree, a crap shoot compared to regular players, regardless of the round. But over the years there are always some high end prospects that you know will be NHL goalies. Obviously some scouts are wrong on a few of these, but no one doubted Fleury would make it, and I get the same impression about Subban. Some will disagree, and that's fine, but I think he's a can't miss goalie prospect and would take the chance if it meant not needing to draft another goalie for another decade.
So boston trades raycroft for rask, and has thomas come out of Europe and dominate, hardly planning for two franchsie goalies
LA Kings yes they had 1st rounder in Bernier, but Quick was a 3rd rounder (exactly what I'm syaing here) and it has worked out for them
Vancouver drafted Schenider in the 1st round in 2004 then traded for Luongo in 2006, and nonly now 8 years after he was drafted in the 1st round is Schneider actually ready
so no your argument makes no sense. We have Anderson who can hold the fort for two years, Bishop and Lehner arguably can hold the fort for the next 10 years. During which time we draft another goalie in 3rd round every year and hope for best
your talking Schneider, Varlamo etc not Fleury, Price, Ward who are all consensus top 5 picks
I get what you are saying I do, but if I'm the Rangers yes I'm staring at Subban with their 25th pick and hoping to hell he falls cause thats a team who needs a 1st round goalie prospect
Lundquist is a star and will be for 5 years but they know things change and Subban is great insurance
You don't waste a top 60 pick on a goalie when you already have two future number 1s in the pipeline
So LA drafting Bernier in the 1st after Quick in the 3rd is not comparable to us drafting Subban in the 1st after having previously gotten Lehner in the 2nd?
Not sure how Boston wasn't planning there either, seems like a pretty solid plan, I guess you think it was luck?
Anyways, I guess we'll just agree to disagree on this.
Right.
But let's not forget we had 4 picks in the first two rounds last year. So if we were able to (for example only) move Petersson to get a pick that would land us Subban - again, keeping our pick to draft a defenceman - then that makes sense. We have plenty of forwards we like better than Petersson (I would assume) and if we draft a D and trade for/sign a D to play next year with Karlsson then really there would be no massive holes to fill with that second pick so why not grab Subban?
If nothing else he's an asset that we could later trade should we need to.
There's always one or two goalies that go in the first or second round but usually drafted by teams that are desperate for goalie help or by teams that are feeling pretty good up front already. Hopefully by the time we make our second selection in this year's draft we're in that latter category too.
Who are these 2 #1s in our pipeline? Please tell me, I only see Lehner and management has made it clear they feel the need to have another quality goaltender in the pipeline. I count 1, they count 1, where's the 2nd? Bishop?
In my opinion, we're most likely to grab Nash since Parise will probably re-sign with the Devils. Not enough quality reasons for Parise to come to the Sens. I'm not sold on J. Garrison (he had a good start to the year, and kind of fell off), so I'm skeptical about his consistency... Now Wideman, that's a guy I'd love if Murray went after. Younger than Kuba and put up almost 50 points.
Absolutely stoked for July 1st!
Hax, I know it was just an example, but I've noticed you are pretty high on Petersson through other comments. Personally I don't think there's a GM in the NHL that would take him over Subban, but would love to be proved wrong as that would be quite the swap.
In 2nd pick you do mean our 76th overall, which is 3rd round?
Anyone know anything about these other goalies brought in for a look-see?
As for Murray trying to move up last year in a trade with the NYI.. Murray said Snow wanted to know who the Sens were going to draft in that spot.. Murray would not tell Snow.. so Snow declined to trade.
What the hell did Snow expect? That another team would give away who they were drafting?
If Parise stays in NJ or goes to LA.. a lot of teams will be pushing for Nash.. hense the value will go up... The price could be ridiculous if some desperate team overpaid for him.
If that were the case.. I would sooner the Sens go for a trade for a good young defenseman.
There are a lot of good ones out there.. but the question is who..
Don't think Winn/Ott would do any trades. Yost had an article reporting that supposedly the Jets (at the deadline) tried to deal injured players to Ottawa (without the Sens knowing they were injured) and it was reported there was pretty bad blood between the two teams. Now Yost said that whole scenario is unconfirmed... interesting..
8 days until the draft.. 6 days until the awards.
Yeah partly my gut and partly Murray's quote from last year when he said Petersson "will play on Spezza's wing for the next 10 years". (He was asked where Petersson will play when AP was called up. Murray was probably joking of course.)
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Right. Clearly we're not getting Subban there but we are interviewing two other goalies that would likely be available.
But more thinking that we'd acquire another pick. Either an earlier one and then trade our 15th down to get Subban or acquire a late first/early second directly and get Subban.
Well I assume Snow wanted to see if they guy they wanted might still be around after we picked. If Murray had said "We want Zibanejad" then Snow would have happily swapped picks.
Is it confirmed when this talk took place? Was it immediately before the Isles picked or earlier in the day? If it was immediately before then clearly Murray wanted Strome or else he'd have made it clear they wanted MZ all along when he told the story. If it was earlier in the day then maybe they hoped Huberdeau would slip? Or planned to try to move up another slot or two after getting the NYI pick?
as much as a hate to admit this Tooks :)
the points you make are pretty effective!
hard to argue, but again it would all depend on who goes, but very strong arguments
Could be a good way to clear up a little room and maybe get some GM to overpay slightly given that "future" picks are often easier to part with.
"We don't have him [Yakupov] ranked 1st, he's lower on our list" -A scout of a team picking in the top-5. #2012NHLDraft
Interesting...
Not that it affects us I guess.
Oh ok, I must have missed that quote. I'd assume he was joking as well, but maybe there's more to this guy then I've noticed so far. He looks like a bottom 6 forward with some offense, hopefully there's more to it. I guess we drafted him in the 4th and he's shown some potential so maybe getting a 3rd or late 2nd might be doable, but probably not Subban territory.
I believe it was as the Islanders' pick came up, or else it would be too hard for Snow to expect Murray to know which guy he'll want if everyone is still on the board.
Seems logical but certainly could have been one or two picks before that - not much earlier I doubt though.
Murray did not specify when the 'talk' with the NYI was taking place. He said he would never give up who the Sens would be picking in a draft..
Yeah that tells me that it had to be at least a pick before the Isles picked (i.e. before the 4th pick took place). Otherwise it's obviously Strome since if he wanted Zibanejad all along it's a non-issue.
Unless it came up specifically because he was asked "did you ever look to move up last year" and he told the story since he had asked about the Isles pick but wanted MZ anyway (and just doesn't want to embarrass Snow).
Given how much glee Sens fans (including myself) get out of thinking we "screwed" Burke I can see Murray not wanting to create another situation like that.
Murray also suggested he isn't expecting to be active in free agency. Still think the #Sens will be looking to deal at the draft though.
This tells me that Murray feels he's going to make at least one major trade. He had already stated that he's going to target a top 6 forward and top 4 D - so if it's not July 1st then it has to be a trade (or two).
Or maybe it's gamesmanship?
In the press conference he does admit he'll do his due diligence on the top UFAs, but definitely didn't give anything away about if he thinks he has a shot with them.
Yeah could be that too - maybe he's resigned to the fact that he's got no shot at the top UFAs (i.e. price would be too high).
Murray said in an end of year interview that his 2 priorities were a serviceable defenseman and a 25 goal-scorer. He even went as far as to suggest that he was going to challenge certain forwards to step up and be that 25 goal-scorer.
Now much like the game telephone, through word of mouth Murray's intentions have been misconstrued into being "Murray is going after Rick Nash, purple monkey dishwasher."
Even if Murray confirmed that he was contacting CBJ about Nash, which no actual evidence whatsoever has indicated, a man as shrewd as he in his position would never pull the trigger on such a massive deal without knowing A: the playing status of one Daniel Alfredsson and B: knowledge about the progress of the CBA negotiations.
Sure, piss on our parade!
You're right of course - though there may be other quotes out there from Murray, Tim Murray or Dorion that hint otherwise.
Murray could be thinking Foligno, Greening or Silfverberg for the 25 goal guy and even Borowiecki for the "serviceable" defenceman.
But it's way more fun to think he will try to trade for a top line winger and sign Suter. LOL
The draft is where the Murrays shine. I'd much rather he keep the 15th pick.
True again.
Though I do hope that he plans to move up in the draft (should the right D fall enough) or move down (if the guys they targeted are gone already). Or pick up an extra pick or two via trade. Spoiled last year with 3 first round picks!
Usually they have one guy in mind and will do what it takes to get him.
There really are a ton of good D in this draft, I can't see them all being gone by the time we pick, particularly since at least 6 forwards will be taken by that time (possibly 7 if Faksa climbs).
Murray said non of the current UFA's really are wanted by the team.. but they will be discussing the more 'common names' out there.. (probably meaning Parise & Suter).. or something like that. Well count Suter out.. I guess he likes all the travel in the Western Conference.
You are definitely correct in terms of we've already heard that Foligno has been challenged by Murray to be THAT guy. But Murray also indicated that when a player like a Nash or Parise or whoever is available, you do your due diligence and at the very least make a phone call to inquire. He's a smart GM, I think as much as I'd love to have Nash, Murray will only do it at a price that is equitable for both parties but doesn't destroy what he's worked so hard to build.
The 1st pre-draft clip for this year hints at some of the scouts wanting them to trade up for a specific player. May just be 1 out of the whole group for all we know the way those are edited, but I like that the possibility is there with this management group.
My most realistic wish is to grab Ceci. I think moving up about 4-5 spots would do it and I think that's reasonable to do with minimal cost. Either moving up (more realistic, less desirable) or trading a prospect for a pick to get Ceci. Then maybe trade down a bit if there's nobody we like at 15 - or heck, maybe there's another decent D to pick at 15 that could be a longer-term project.
100% agree! He's the guy I'm hoping for as well, and I think 2 D from the top 15 this year could be exactly what this org needs to round out the pool. Then a goalie in the 3rd rnd and have fun from there.
I wont be surprised if we won't be doing anything big the 1st...I expect our big move to come at the draft.