The speculation right now seems to indicate that Alfie will return for another season.
While he has yet to inform the team of his plans for next season, Alfredsson has been training the past couple weeks and is expected to make a decision on his playing future before the NHL Draft set for June 22 in Pittsburgh.
For fans that watched #11 play last season, there is no doubt he still has the skills and work ethic to be an extremely valuable player. Alfredsson scored 27 times in 2011/2012 and finished with 59 points. Despite suffering a concussion in the Sens opening round series against the Rangers, Alfie returned and was far and away the best player on the ice in the deciding Game 7 at MSG.
But much like his fellow countryman Nicklas Lidstrom, Alfredsson has to feel as though he can play and play at a high level. That’s why these past couple weeks of training have been important as Alfie has to ensure that he still has the desire and drive to commit to another season.
The Senators have already shown an interest in adding one top six forward and would be looking to fill a couple holes if the Captain decides he can’t play another season.
While Bryan Murray has let Alfredsson know he can take all the time he needs before making a decision, I think it's fair to assume we’ll hear something in next ten days leading up to the NHL Draft.
- More than 20 of the entries in the Predict Erik Karlsson’s Contract Contest have the deal getting done at some point this week. Sounds like initial conversations between the Sens and the Karlsson camp have been positive and it should be a relatively quick and painless negotiation.
- Senators defenceman Chris Phillip will be opening his new restaurant Big Rig Brewery, tomorrow. Located at 2750 Iris Street, the Big Rig Brewery is a restaurant and brewery rolled into one. For more information check out the website or follow them on Twitter @BigRigBrew.
- The Rick Nash speculation that was discussed here on Friday continues early this week. Certainly wouldn’t say a deal is imminent by any means but the belief is Murray and Howson have at least discussed the possibility. You can bet the Jackets will have teams knocking down their door leading up to the draft. The Rangers, Sharks and Leafs are all expected to be in the mix.
A failed experiment, to say the least.
I am more than happy to see the site go back to its roots...In theory if a Nash trade happens when is the earliest it could be announced?
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I'm hanging on by a thread here - if NJ wins tonight I assume Kratos will pass me.
They can announce a trade as soon as they have one (see Detroit and SJ for example).
How you like my comeback though?? I think my lowest point was 32nd at the end of the 2nd round...Tried something there that failed miserably. Ah well with how crappy that round went I am happy to be in the top 10.
Yeah only brad11sens (with 110) has more round 3/4 points.
1709 actually (in the overall pool of course).
I haven't done a player-by-playe r analysis to eliminate players everyone has (like Quick for example) but 11 points in two games is a lot to make up. I would assume anything that's really bad for me (Brodeur shutout for example) would also keep Kratos ahead of you and others, but you never know.
I don't include Jordan Staal because I doubt BM will pay that high of a price for another top 6 C.
I don't want Kane - just heard too many rumors of him having problems off-ice. If Murray knows better so be it though.
And while I am not overly keen on Staal since he's Pitt's third line center (though clearly could be #2 on most teams) it does present the interesting option of putting Turris on Spezza's wing which we all saw has potential.
Bobby Ryan, perhaps?
I really like that idea Hax, I was thinking the same thing about Turris & Spezza at the end of this season, they seem to complement each other so well!
Is Ryan still on the trade block? That would be really good as well. I wouldn't pay as much for him as for Nash, as I personally find Nash is a clear 1st line player and Ryan seems to be a bit of a tweener like Michalek. What do you think Anaheim would be looking for? I wonder if they'd package the rights to Schultz in the deal.
Nash, Ryan, Kane
2nd line talent:
Staal, Roy, JVR, Radulov, Stewart, Stasny, Lecavalier
Bishop
prospect??
for
Ryan
(a pick...can't find what picks they have anywhere)...Hmm m don't think they have a 1st or a 2nd...they would likely be ecstatic to get a first rounder. Only prospect I really know anything about(and would LOVE as well) is Etem.
SO
15th
Bishop
Dacosta/Butler
For
Ryan
Etem
Hopefully we can land Nash. I think that we would be a little upset for what we have to give to get him but it will be quickly forgotten with the skill set that he brings.
Yeah no doubt, with D-men having to face 2 elite talents on that line it would certainly cause mismatch problems for many teams. Who do you take time and space away from? Spezza or Nash? both can score and both can dish. Michalek, love the guy but nobody payed him any attention, mostly double teaming Spezza.
I'm down for Chris Stewart. I think he could come on the cheap as well since Hitchcock was down on him (and we have a history of trading with St. Louis).
Zibanijad and Stewart would be hell to deal with on 2nd/3rd line (I know, we need defence)
The key to getting someone like nash, is that it opens up the door for michalek to play full time with turris who had natural chemistry, along with alfie thats a formidable second line who are all great defensively
in addition to that it allows silfverberg to play a regular role on the 1st line and will have so much space tow ork with playing with two all-stars
And now I find a site that says they have a 1st and 2nd...I give up haha
Also no to Chris Stewart. Guy has a serious attitude problem and I know that for 100% fact from the most reliable of sources. When the going gets tough, he's a quitter.
Well most are assuming that the pieces going back are picks and prospects. So if you move our 15th, Bishop and Da Costa for Ryan/Etem there are no holes created (assuming Lehner becomes the backup).
SOMETHING has to go back the other way in trades for Nash or Ryan of course, but most are hoping that it's not more than one roster player. Whether that's realistic or not is another question.
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As for trades, Nash sounds like the key guy still, Ryan would be a great add to any team though. But CBJ had let it known they were looking for current roster players in return, like they were asking from the Rangers. So picking up a Nash means we would more than likely have to move a guy like Michalek (as a minimum) in return, unless CBJ decides to really go rebuild and be happy with some of our high prospects. Guess that's up to them.
Lehner,Foligno or Gonchar(NHL ready)
One of (Stone/MZ/Noesen/Puemple)
1st round pick
Would ya?
I think it would still take more than that. I would expect that the discussion starts at the equivalent of 2 1sts and a prospect, so 15th + Bishop, but then one of our top prospects, especially if you're asking for one of their top prospects in Etem back as well.
Oh just read your next comment where you state it might be more along Puempel instead of Butler/Da Costa, and I completely agree it would take one of those higher end prospects.
I think the discussions will go something along the line of CBJ wanting Michalek, 2 top prospects (Stone, Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Noesen, Puempel) and Lehner. BM counters with 15th pick, Puempel, Bishop and a roster players. Hopefully they find a middle ground somewhere between those two.
I was really screwed when Pitts went out in the first round. I was one of those fools who had them going a long way... so much for that..
Jersey all the way!!! Can't stand Richards and Carter, as well as all this fake after the fact "we knew they were great" bandwagoning happening with the Kings.
Silfverberg-Turris-Alfie
Neil-Regin-Foligno
Condra-Smith-Greening
ex. Winchester, O'Brien, Konopka (if signed)?
Phillips - ??
Karlsson - ??
Gonchar - Cowen
extra - Carkner
Anderson
Bishop/Lehner
Sens need defense.. at least 2 of them.. unless Borowiecki comes up...
Nash would be great.. as the time goes and teams won't give the ridiculous return like Columbus wanted from the Rangers - I think the price has to come down somewhat.
Sens are down 1 top 6 forward.. so if Michalek is traded for Nash.. they are still down 1 top 6 forward.
I think the Sens organization really likes Petersson. He is a close friend of Karlsson... so I don't know if he is involved in a trade scenario.
Less than 2 weeks to the draft... No big trades for any team would be announced until after the SC is handed out...
Would Nash waive his NTC to come to Ottawa... I mean it's been reported that Toronto is on his list.. Other than close to his home.. why would he want to go there.. it's basically the same as Columbus...
Right you are! Thanks for the heads up.
So you didn't redraft after round 1?
- It's on Alfie's terms.
- He went out as All-Star captain.
- He won't have pulled a Pete Rose and played well past his prime.
- With a team in a rebuild, the sooner we get "over" losing Alfie the better.
- We have decent depth in the organization to absorb a big loss like this.
- His "mark" will be on this team for some time still.
- After a short break he'll be back as a coach in time to see this team really ready for a run.
- He won't be risking health issues if he gets another concussion.
Yes.. went with Philly and some Rangers.. but the points weren't there. I think I was too far out after round 1..
For Nash the Jackets said they want roster players. If it were picks and prospects, then it means the holes in your lineup will show up years down the road. Anyone else remember John Muckler? Traded multiple picks and prospects for immediate help and crippled the team down the road and lead to the undoing of a constantly competitive team. BM has done a great job stocking up young talent, it's not time to move multiple youngsters for one guy who's just at if not slightly past his prime.
I am not too keen on the Nash talk,
seeing what CBJ turned down from the NY, whatever we would offer more than that would be too much in my opinion.
Bobby Ryan might be the better fit.
There's a HUGE difference between trading a pick and a prospect to "rent" Peter Bondra and trading picks/prospects for a 27 year-old Nash or 25 year-old Bobby Ryan.
Of course you can't just blindly trade away prospects and picks but some trades actually do make hockey sense. Plus I trust Murray's ability to replenish the cupboards along the way.
He hinted at trading quantity for quality...
If that means in a trade or moving up in the draft.. I guess we will find out in short order...
It would be a shame if any of the first round picks from last season were involved in a trade...
The only one I would be "okay" with being traded is Peumpel. He sounds high risk/high reward to me while MZ and Noesen seem more like blue-chip guys.
It might be as simple as trading away some guys to gather more picks to get some breathing room below 50 but I think they're trying to move 3-4 bodies out for 1-2 coming back.
Murray on June 22nd: "It's a shame to trade away a player like Zibanejad who we liked very much, but when you have a chance to acquire Rick Nash you go for it."
I guess this is one way to wipe out Bishop and/or Lehner and any other decent prospect the Sens have along with 1st round picks...
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Based on my discussions with various sources, you will be very disappointed, old friend.
Here are your top 6 for 2012-2013:
Nash / Spezza / Iginla
Michalek / Turris / The Alfie
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The cost for both Nash & Iginla would not be in line with the re-build the team is said it is doing...
Let's hope hes FOS.
I don't want Iggy unless he comes for basically nothing (which of course he won't). Nash might be worth "the farm" but Iginla is very much NOT worth the farm.
However if they found a way to sign a top 4 stay at home D with those trades as well, we'd be one of the favorites for the cup!
Anaheim doesnt need a abck up goalie, why would they trade for a back up in Bishop? They already have Hiller as #1. Maybe they would still want Bishop as a backup but certainly not for Ryan and Etem, lol!
Not really Sandy, why are you so attached to these 1st round picks, they have no attachment to us thats for sure, they havent even played a single NHL game, except for Zib.
If we can package some of them for a bonafide NHL Star, why the hell would that be a shame? We know what the Star can do and we know he will help instantly, while the prospect takes years to develop and sometimes never do pan out.
Not saying trade all of our first but certainly Puempel, or Zib (head issues)and any of Peterssen, Da Costa, Stone, Pageau, Prince.
Well I'm sure since we're including Butler or Da Costa they'll be happy to take Bishop. LOL
Yeah that specific package doesn't make much sense for the Ducks - but similar "value" might get it done.
Of course everyone would trade Silfverberg for Malkin but it would still be "a shame" to see Silfverberg go. We'd get over it pretty quick I'm sure though.
Hell I bet people would bitch if we traded the rights to Kuba for Malkin
The latest JVR tease: That he would be part of a Philadelphia Flyers' package for Rick Nash of the Columbus Blue Jackets this summer … if only he were healthy.
Howard Eskin of SportsRadio WIP and NBC 10 in Philadelphia — a conversation starter, if not always an accurate source — reported on Sunday night that van Riemsdyk is "delaying having surgery torn labrum" and that a "possible" trade for Nash can't happen until JVR is 100-percent healthy. But the real point of contention:
That van Riemsdyk is "delaying having surgery" to hold up the trade.
Here come the denials
That will prevent Murray from possibly taking a step backwards. Our bottom 6 doesn't need help as much as our top 6.
I think if it's true, JVR is smart. Who wants to play in Columbus haha
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Murray has spent several years replacing a pretty much broke prospect system. It had been many years since the Sens had a very good batch of young players like they do now. We don't know if any will be a bust or a star in the NHL... but that's just like any other NHL team with their prospects.
I just don't want to see him send away a lot of the good picks the Sens have. I'm not saying they should not move any... as I think they have to...
But I still believe this is a re-build.. and I would not want them to abandon that just yet. Nash would be okay to get.. as at least a replacement for Alfie..
But the issues with this team right now are on defense... and shouldn't that be where they have their focus?
I think numbers-wise we need more help on D, but I think getting a legit #1 winger is as important if not more than getting a D to play with EK65.
Realistically if we were able to get Nash for our 15th and two of (Stone, Petersson, Prince, Puempel) I would do it. That still leaves us depth to get a D to play with Karlsson and that's all without signing UFAs.
It wouldn't completely clear out the cupboards. A big dent? Sure. But the situation wouldn't be as bad as what Murray had to clean up to begin with - not by a long shot.
For the sake of argument, let's say it take our 15th, Stone and Petersson to get Nash. Then let's say we can get a top 2 D for Bishop, Puempel and Weircioch. That would still give us:
Nash - Spezza - Michalek
Silfverberg - Turris - Alfie
Foligno - Regin - Neil
Greening - O'Brien - Smith
Condra/Daugavins (with MZ, Noesen, Prince etc still in the wings).
Karlsson - top4
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - UFA
Carkner
(with Boro-cop, Gryba etc in the wings)
Anderson
Lehner
So yeah we'd need to get working on depth guys right away, particularly in goal for Bingo, but it's hardly Muckler-esque.
That's not saying every 6th rounder Murray's scouts pick will turn out like Stone, but you do have to at least consider where these guys were picked when weighing the trade. I wouldn't want to trade three first rounders for Nash (unless one was sort of a semi-bust) but trading one first and two guys we got with 4th round and 6th round picks has to be seen as an overall win.
To be honest, i think that Nash suggestion was an underpayment not an overpayment. Offering our 1st, a past 6th and Petersson, who is nothing special and a marginal prospect so far, will not get us Nash, imo. If it somehow does we should take it and run!
At his best, Kane's a dynamic PPG player that terrorizes defenses and goaltending. His creativity is off the charts, and if paired with the right playmaking center -- ahem, Jason Spezza -- the scoring could jump off the page.
The price, though, was hefty. Robin Lehner's one of the best goaltending prospects in the game. I'm not sure if he's ready for the NHL this season, but he's not far off, and he's just twenty years old.
Mika Zibanejad was the sixth-overall selection in last year's draft for a reason. He's cut out of the Jordan Staal cloth -- a complete, two-hundred foot player that exceeds just as much on the forecheck as he does on the backcheck.
Off topic.. found this in an article on 6th Sens..
GM Bob Murray on Schultz:
"Put as much pressure on him as we can, have people call him. Scotty (Niedermayer) called him the other day. It's all we can do. We just hope he's a man of his word and lives up to his word. At day's end you hope his character prevails in this."
Coach Boudreau on Schultz:
"I don't know what the heck happened there. We were in Chicago and we still weren't playing great and I talked to the kid straight up and said we could use you right now on the big club. We won't send you to the Crunch, as soon as you're through with Wisconsin we'll get you down there on the ice. The kid looked me right in the eye and said I can't wait coach. It's what I've always wanted. We also told him since we were playing him now it would move him one year closer to making millions of dollars. The kid seemed really excited and it seemed like a done deal when all of a sudden something dramatically changed. Someone got to the kid, it seems. I don't know exactly what happened but there's something fishy in Denmark."
Getzlaf on Schultz:
I've never seen him play or anything but I hear he's pretty good. He better be really good because a lot of players, not just on this team, don't like the way he's handling this situation. We want guys who want to be here and be a part of our team. No one wants to deal with that sh... uh stuff in the locker room."
Bob Murray:
"Justin Schultz will not be an Anaheim Duck. He's informed us that he wishes to explore talks with the 29 other clubs, and that's his right under the current CBA. I cannot comment on the tampering charges at this time but if situations change I will let all of you know."
Anaheim appears to be trying to tarnish his name and scare off any suitors with the tampering claim. I don't think they can judge his character based on this though, or claim he'd be a bad teammate. I'd still go for him!
Win-freaking-wi n. Kells gets a well deserved payday and another four years on a good team and we avoid any homerism in signing him as a UFA to further solidify our bottom six.
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I just think that Schultz could have handled it a little differently.. would that be part of his agent's fault?
You don't almost promise to sign for a team.. then when that team starts contract talks when he was ready to leave 'school'.. He strings them along...
Then he comes to them and says he will not sign...
I would take him on the Sens as well.... it's just he has not handled it very well..
But he probably ends up in Toronto...
We already have Foligno, Smith, Regin and ZBad to challenge for #3 Center. We will be just fine without Kelly. I am happy for him though, great team guy and never complained despite constant trade rumours.
Could not agree more. Same goes for Fisher really - still love the guy and wish him well but we have no need for bottom six character guys.
zbad, foligno are natural centres but will likely play wing. Regin will be converted to wing as well probably. Only one of them can play centre im thinking
I'm sure you're right - a Sens fan homer trade for sure. Wasn't meant to be a legit trade proposal - just pulled it out of thin air to demonstrate that if we made a couple of big "prospects for player" trades we wouldn't be completely gutting our farm system.
Zibanejad might have a shot at the #3 center job but I do agree that Foligno probably stays on the wing now that we have depth at center. Smith is our 4th line center if everything goes well (i.e. Regin regains his top 9 form, Zibanejad makes the team etc).
Having Spezza-Turris-R egin-Smith would be pretty solid (again, assuming Regin earns that spot and isn't just there because we don't have other options).
Taking it from another angle, if Regin, Foligno and Zibanejad are all top 9 wingers (in addition to Silfverberg, Michalek and Alfie) - that pushes a lot of guys to the fourth line. Like 6 or 7 guys. LOL
I guess that wouldn't be a bad thing though if Neil, Greening, Condra etc end up on the fourth line because our top 3 lines are so deep.
Still...I can't stand the idea of sending the kid to Columbus or Anaheim, even if Nash or Ryan come back.
Guess being a fan's not always a rational thing.
Bang on.
People need to stop being attached to these prospects. No one knows how they will pan out so if we get some actual proven talent that will push us deep in the playoffs then you have ot think about it...
I agree...but like I said above sometimes when you're following a team and its prospects emotions take over.
Bishop, our first rounder and a low-end prospect would TOTALLY land us Nash.
Patience is a virtue, quick fixes are lame.
Zibby or Silverberg
Lehner
Greening
1st pick(15th)
plain and simple.
i would do it - only really hate losing one of the first two. I'm not sold on Lehner - find that he's all over the place and has bad rebound control. + Andy's here for many more years. Lets draft another goalie down the road and use this guy has bait.
+ would love to see NASH in a SENS jersey.
just don't trade NOESEN!
They managed to fuck up what could have been a very good game.
Absolutely pathetic calls and non-calls.
What do you think it would take without giving up zbad, silfverberg, stone?
P-A Parenteau ($4.000m) / Kyle Turris ($1.400m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
Chris Neil ($2.000m) / Peter Regin ($0.800m) / Colin Greening ($0.817m)
Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Jim O'Brien ($0.735m) / Erik Condra ($0.625m)
Bobby Butler ($1.050m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.700m)
DEFENSEMEN
Barret Jackman ($4.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.000m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Matt Carkner ($0.700m) / Chris Phillips ($3.083m)
Mark Borowiecki ($0.610m)
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Ben Bishop ($0.650m)
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SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $54,930,833; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $15,369,167
Spezza
Michalek
Alfredsson
Turris
Let Foligno, Stone, Silfverberg, Regin and Greening fight it out.
That is the way it should be. Let there be some healthy competition within the organization dont bring in a UFA for a top 6 forward spot. To me has to be Stone or Silfverberg that steps up to play in that spot and both at times looks great with Spezza. Stone in game 5 and Silfverberg with Spezza in game 7.
Silfverberg-Spezza-Michalek
Regin-Turris-Alfredsson
Stone-Foligno-Greening
Neil-O'Brien-Smith
Cowen-Karlsson
Gonchar-Phillips
Carkner-Weirchoich
Anderson
Lehner
I would trade Bishop for a 1st round pick in the draft. We got a 2nd rounder for him but someone would pay a 1st round pick for him and we can sign a very good backup this season with the loads of goalies needing a home and Lehner can fight him for the backup role.
Got Bishop for a 2nd rounder, if we could get a 1st out of him or a good forward/prospec t we would be laughing. Then we can draft Subban and we are set for Goaltending for a few years.
Just thoughts we can never think of the way it will pan out. But this would just be one of a billion possibilities.
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Congratulations Hax! Only fair that the guy who kept reminding us about the pool ultimately won it.
Prize requests? New Car? House?
No official announcement has been made by the team as of yet.
I say we go for Crosby next year!! There end of debate!
Well I pretty much reminded everyone simply because I was in first ;) LOL
Also. People who don't want to give up Lerner, neosen, stone, Silverberg or zibby to get Nash.... Are you kidding me? Nash and spezza will dominate for a long time, he's proven. You have to overpay for a proven commodity. You can't just offer are crap
My proposal
Nash
Methot
For
1st 2012 (this pick doesn't usually turn into much)
2nd 2013
Lehner
Weircoch
Zibby
Regin
Anyone know what howsens asking price was?
SENS RFA's (players we have to make an offer to...or not)
Nick Foligno
Jim O'Brien
Kaspar Daugavins
Erik Karlsson
SENS UFA's (players we dont have to make offers to...or should)
Jesse Winchester
Zenon Konopka
Rob Klinkhammer
Filip Kuba
Matt Gilroy
Matt Carkner
Alex Auld
SENS FW PROSPECTS WE THINK MIGHT MAKE THE TEAM.
Mika Zibanejad
Jakub Silfverberg
So all in all only 2, max 3 FW players from those lists will get the spots? way too many FW's, this is going to be very interesting for sure!
Just a small example, if we re-sign Foligno and O'Brien then only 1 spot left, Silf or Zib? or UFA?
You can add a few more to the list of players that potentially make the team:
Stone
Prince
I think that's what Tim Murray meant when he talked about "quantity for quality". They're hoping some team out there will want 3-4 serviceable players for 1 top line player (or some combination like that).
For those proposing Nash trades that include Bryan Murray's first born - remember that Heatley only fetched Michalek, Cheechoo and a second. Now obviously we were being held hostage but you can't jump from that to two first rounders, a second plus three top prospects and a top 9 forward for Nash and Methot.
I disagree. Both Nash and method have very nice contracts. You make an offer for each separate it will come close to all the pieces I listed.
What exactly are you think for a trade? What about what I offered and remove weircocj and stick in gonchar. To align the dollars
Just throwing this out there but I reckon Hax would have been less keen to remind us all about the pool if he was in 117th place.
EDIT: as he himself said two posts further down
bangs head on desk
Not a chance, with only 2 spots, no way these 2 make it before Silf and Zib. Stone needs work on his skating and Prince needs to bulk up. Both will be playing Bingo.
Ya, Let's not rush our prospects to the NHL too fast. Patience is the key to building a winner. We can makea few trades or big signings along the way but homegrown talent will be the key to winning down the line.
CBJ wont take Gonchar, u nuts? u said in another post that people on here are offering our crap and then you go and offer crap, haha.
Congratulations bud!
Alright now that the playoffs are done lets see something happen!
Bishop or Lehner.
One of: Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Wiercioch, Noesen, Puempel, Stone, Prince, Pageau.
One or Two of: Foligno, Michalek, Greening, Da Costa, Peterssen, Condra, Smith.
15th Overall.
This is what I think it will take to get Nash and Methot, its a bit of an overpayment but well worth the return down the line. Doesnt hurt us much in the long run, most prospects still in the cupboard.
Zibanejad, Michalek, Bishop, Da Costa, Wiercioch, 1st and a 4th for Nash
Nash-Spezza-Silfverberg
Parise-Turris-Alfie
Foligno-Regin-Neil
Greening-Smith-O'Brien
I love to fantasize about this stuff lol if only real life was as easy as NHL 2012
Yeah that would be way too much, nice as a NHL 2012 trade tho, no way we can get Nash at 7.8Mil and Parise at around 7Mil also...
Way too much! To be honest, I would rather SIGN Parise and keep all these pieces rather than trade for Nash. That is if the opportunity presents itself of course.
We had a HUGE year last year and acquired some strong young talent. Why trade it all away when we can just sign Parise? Parise is as good of a hockey player as Nash in my mind.
Is that you Tookie? I thought you left us.. Good to see you are still a stupid little twat!
It isn't my cache chirp...it keeps going down on all my devices(two laptops and cellphone)...ha ve cleared cache on all devices to no avail then randomly at about 1050 it is back up and running on all devices.
It's not the cache here either. Site went down at 1241 yesterday and came back up about an hour ago.
100% correct!
Saw Alfie this morning at Starbucks and told him hope he comes back next year and the wait is killing the fans and he said "we wil alll know shortly " ..with a smile on his face"
Or everytime he goes out in public he gets this question and he is smiling cause it must be somewhat emusing that him returning or not returning is turning into Ottawa's version of Lebron's "The Decision"
In fact I would think Team 1200 and TSN should partner up and do a live coverage announcement of this event!!!....... ..
The host insists that is the only possible problem and that things have been fine on his end.
I honestly have no idea about any of this stuff haha. Glad you are all back up and running though.
There sure were a lot of posts when it was down then.
I am relatively savvy, and know that there is absolutely nothing I did on my end...it may be the DNS servers on certain peoples pcs not refreshing when needed.
I may try and test that theory out next time.(although not sure I am that savvy hahaha)
Maybe I mis-understood Apostle, but I posted at 9am this morning with no problem. And I see a ton of posts here pretty much every hour for the past day or so - so not sure what downtime there could have been.
I meant that the site was down for me. Which is clearly the only thing that matters.
The site is up and down at different times for different people which does imply that it is not a uniform problem.
But there was an issue on 3 different devices for me. The cache was cleared on 1 of the devices but not the other two and the site is now working on all 3 which implies it is not solely a cache issue.
Here's the only one on youTube right now, which was also brilliant. Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwkDjipvanU
As a second thought, what if we kept everyone. We rushed no one and had a pimped up farm team for the next two to three years. Under Luke we could breed a real winning attitude and start something special that could last a decade through drafting and patience. All it would cost us would be a year or two.
Two conflicting trains of thought but both valid IMO.
In Murray we trust.
Now that 2nd round pick turned into Lehner... who most of you now want to send back to Columbus.. NO...NO... NO..
Does Lehner have an attitude -- Yes? So what's wrong with that... That's not the worst quality.. Some of you are so willing to see that go.. but would welcome Patrick Kane and whatever off-ice issues he has. You have to question WHY if Kane is the great player (which he definitely is) would Chicago trade him.... He has issues...
Go with the forwards you have + whatever prospect will make the lineup.. and trade for a good young defenseman. That's where the need is...
O'Rourke really screwed NJ last night. Missed the hit from behind penalty on Gionta by Stoll about 10 secs before the Bernier hit. So instead of killing off a 5 min penalty -- NJ should have been on the PP. That changed the game.. How the hell did he get to ref in a Cup final?
The better overall team won the Cup.. I'm not disputing that... as they were the better team throughout the playoffs... but at least let NJ have a fair, fighting chance.
UFA:
Konopka
Winchester
Klinkhammer
xKuba
xGilroy
Carkner
xAuld
xParrish
Conboy
xLocke
xLessard
xMcKenna
RFA:
yKarlsson
yFoligno
yO'Brien
Daugavins
Filatov
yDa Costa
yGryba
Schira
Plus any ELC's they need to extend to past draft picks or picks they make this year that they wish to have in the AHL or NHL, as well as any UFA's they hope to sign.
(x - denotes likely not coming back [total of 7], y - guaranteed to be re-signed or traded [total of 5] ... leaving only 7 more signings between the rest and other UFAs/draft picks.)
As for the keeping everyone idea. Perhaps everyone was too strong a word. I meant anyone good. All our top prospects. Imagine if Puempel, Stone, Zib, Prince, Silfverberg, Noesen all played a year in Bingo together? Created chemistry in a environment where they could shine; dominate even. We sign some free agents to fill the gaps this year, perhaps win another Calder. Sounds interesting to me.
No, I agree, I assumed you didn't mean you wanted us to keep Locke and Lessard, however who do you pick between Daugavins, Filatov, Schira, Winchester, Konopka, Carkner, Klinkhammer, Conboy and all the other UFAs out there if you can only sign 7 more? Also, 1 of them will have to be an AHL backup goalie.
We've spent some time building up a solid batch of prospects and now is the time to let the pendulum swing towards some more established players. Shouldn't be extreme though - give up maybe 6-7 prospects at maximum (counting even mid-to-low ones) to get 2 or 3 more established players. Then get back to building up prospects again and so forth.
Then, as a GM, you pick your spot to when you think it's time to go for broke and "make a run". Where you clear out however many prospects it takes to build a contender.
With the way Murray is running things and the way our scouting/drafti ng has been, we won't have to completely empty the cupboards ever really, and restocking them won't take too long when we do go on a bit of a spending spree.
Professional sports (in cap leagues anyway) are all about drafting and developing players and then turning those assets into elite talent at the right time.
completely correct, and in terms of wiggle room come this season, it makes it that much harder
Look we all like having:
petersson, silfverberg, stone, MZ, da costa, prince, pageau, noesen, puemple, hoffman, filatov as our big time prospects who can all become the next "enter name here"
but reality is only 3 maybe 4 of those will ever get a full time shot with club within the next few years.
put them in cycles:
cycle 1 (next 2 years):
silfverberg, Zib, Da costa, Petersson, filatov
Cycle 2: (year 2 or 3):
Stone, noesen, puemple, filatov, hoffman
Cycle 3: (year 3 and 4):
Prince, Pageau, hoffman, puemple
Now if you look at trading prospects from different cycles (I know some are duplicates) then it makes our "rebuilding" much easier to comprehend.
Because if you trade someone from cycle 2 or 3, you can technically replace them with draft picks accumulated in the next 2 years.
We need to make trades to improve, and our assets and abundance of assets makes sense for us to trade a few prospects in the "quantity vs quality" debate
Good debate.
I would keep maybe Konopka, Carkner with the big club, Kilink and Daug on two-ways. The rest can go. I would be sad to see Winchester go but I prefer Smith and if there is no room for him, trade him to a team that will use him. Konopka has a unique set of skills and great attitude that make him a valuable 13th forward.
Well said Alcatraz. I agree and feel that is how BM must see things too. Through that lens we have no pressure to make "the big move" unless it really benefits us. Good time to be a sens fan!
That is reported to be a very good draft.. and the Sens currently don't have a 2nd round pick -- that going for Bishop.
I know they are concerned about nearing the 50 contracts.. but I kinda have a dumb question. IF say Prince and Pageau go back to play in the CHL.. I assume their ELC's don't count as they won't be playing either in Ottawa or Bingo.. is that correct?
If Murray wants to move a couple of the prospects and Nash won't waive for Ottawa... I would like him to combine with the 15th to move up in the draft... If that can't be done... and the players they want are all gone either trade the 15th for a first rounder in 2013 (better draft) or trade for a prospect near NHL ready...
I like your cycle idea, and that's a great point about cycle 3 players being replaceable by the upcoming draft. Personally I think Stone & Noesen could surprise as soon as this year, Prince as soon as next year and Petersson and Filatov are more cycle 2 or 3, but overall I really like what you laid out.
Seeing it like this also confirms why everyone is so willing to trade Puempel. High risk/high reward but a long term prospect we could replace in one of the next 2 drafts without hurting the timeline.
That actually makes a lot of sense. The Sens need to look at the current roster and determine who they think will still be with the Sens in 2 or 3 years.. and then determine who of the prospects they can trade (not named Lehner, of course).
Agreed!
Add Filatov to that list and I'm on board 100%. I want to keep him around because I'm pretty sure he'll turn into something worthwhile around 25-26yrs old.
Winchester (even Klinkhammer and Daugavins) seem to be dime a dozen type players under BM's reign and with the re-signing of Regin I think we have the bottom 6 offense covered, just need that grit from Konopka for 40-50 games.
Scratch that found the Rule, so you may be right:
The Slide Rule
Players signed to SPCs who are returned to Junior prior to playing 9 NHL games do not count towards a team’s SPC limit. Instead, those players would “slide” off the 50-SPC list while remaining on the larger 90-man Reserve List.
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Cap geek defines it this way:
How does an entry-level contract slide?
If a player aged 18 or 19 signs an entry-level contract with a club (with his age calculated on Sept. 15 of the year he signed the contract) but does not play in at least 10 NHL games, the contract will "slide" or be extended one year. The extension does not apply if the player turns 20 between Sept. 16 and Dec. 31 in the year he signed the contract.
Depending on the contract's structure, the player's cap hit can be affected either by an increase or a decrease. Players who sign at age 18 can have their contract extended (or "slide") two seasons.
CBA reference: Section 9.1 (d) (P. 23-24)
That will both help our contract situation and get us some additional picks in this draft. Always assuming of course that Murray and his team like the guy we plan to draft with the pick we're getting better than the guy we have to give up. We're in great shape for roster players (obviously) so we can deal with a team that needs more immediate help and doesn't want to wait a year or two for a guy to be ready for the NHL.
Petersson is a decent example. We got him with a fourth round pick in the 2008 draft. He's on the cusp of being NHL-ready (debatable of course). Some team might like him a bit and want to offer up their second round pick for him which would be a decent trade depending on where that pick is.
Realistically, Petersson is fairly deep down our list of prospects so why not get a pick for him instead?
Similar logic with many of our prospects where a pick might be a better option. Using the "cycle" analogy, our next cycle or two are pretty crowded so why not ease up a bit of that logjam and prepare for 3 or 4 cycles down the road?
Yes Sandy, the ELC wont kick in since they are playing junior hockey. Dont know about the 50 contract limit tho, Sensnation had more details in his post high up.
Also why not a 2013, if we do similar or better than last year our pick will be mid to late round and next years draft wont be better than 2012, with only MacKinnon being a true #1, rest is hit and miss.
Yeah but realistically Peterssen isnt rdy to jump to the NHL, I know you said debatable so we'll leave it at that. You know most teams will want Silf or Zib as they could be rushed and inserted in an NHL line up but will Murray trade them to acquire more picks?
Kinda goes against the "quantity for quality" comment T. Murray made?
Well that's why I'm suggesting a 2nd for Petersson and yes even then it's a bit of a stretch. If we're going to listen to offers on Silfverberg or Zibanejad then we'd have to be getting back a Nash/Ryan type guy (and clearly be adding to our side of the offer). No sense in trading away any of our top 4-5 prospects for picks, thinking more the 6-15 range for second or third rounders.
Also not saying it would have to be an NHL ready player going the other way - just someone who's closer to the NHL than a kid yet to be drafted.
And yeah, this isn't really part of the quantity for quality approach but I don't think TM meant every single transaction they're considering fit that mold. If they find a "dance partner" to do a Q4Q* then then they don't really even need to unload prospects for picks.
*patent pending
Silfverberg
Noesen
Lehner
Zibanejad (unless his health is really in question)
This year's first rounder
Consider using to get additional picks or higher picks (assuming we have someone in mind that makes it worthwhile). And of course the guys near the top of the list would have to return something significant:
Stone
Puempel
Prince
Hoffman
Pageau
Petersson
Boroweicki
Wiercioch
Gryba
Wideman
Beyond that, any one of our other "prospects" could be unloaded for mid-round picks or later if we need the space.
Our 2013 pick doesn't matter. When we finish in 1st and win the cup it'll be the 30th overall pic and won't be worth that much. :)
Further to that, if Murray is able to make a few Q4Q trades to open up some room on the NHL roster I fully expect him to look for some UFAs that could be signed now and moved at the deadline for picks. Similar to what we could have done last year with Kuba, Konopka and Carkner if we hadn't decided to "rent" them ourselves.
Toronto's first round pick in 2012
Toronto's first round pick in 2013
Toronto's first round pick in 2014
Toronto's first round pick in 2015
Toronto's first round pick in 2016
Toronto's first round pick in 2017
Toronto's first round pick in 2018
Toronto's first round pick in 2019
The genius of this offer is that it will ensure nobody can really tell how bad Burke is at drafting when it's not top 2 overall in a year where there's a consensus pick.
I was just doing some general Sens reading, but 1 article I read reminded me of an interview with Tim Murray about a month ago where he had indicated they were working on ELCs for Pageau and Prince. In that same interview he actually mentioned they were hoping to have both of them in Bingo next year. Who knows if it will work out that way, but just something more to consider when thinking about our 50 contracts and any slide rule players helping the situation.
Puempel & Noesen though appear to still be elligible to slide as they would have to be returned to junior if they don't make the NHL (from what I read). Actually that right there makes me think Noesen will be given every opportunity to make the big team as he has nothing left to prove in junior. His game would lend well to a 3rd or 4th line role to start though.
As far as I can recall, the Sens have never let a kid go back to junior as an over-ager (at least none that I can remember). So I've figured all along that Prince and Pageau will play in Bingo and Puempel and Noesen will play in junior (since they'd both be too young to play in Bingo).
That is a good problem to have...
Better than having overpaid underchievers, or no prospects at all.
re: see Leafs.
and i see on twitter now:
Malcolm Subban @SubbZero30
Great time in Ottawa. Good ice sesh and lunch with the staff. Also great to see @mpuempel putting work in the gym. #mindstate
Matt Puempel @mpuempel
@SubbZero30 hopefully in about 2 weeks your joining me in there
I have a feeling Subban is very high on the Murrays' list. Some rankings out there have him as high as top 10 overall. Fireworks to come! ;)
if we do draft him, then trading lehner or bishop would finally make some sense if we were still trying for a top line player.
Well considering Subban wouldn't be eligible for Bingo then I suspect we still want to keep Bishop and Lehner (but of course we do have flexibility).
Just their opinion I guess, but he's pretty trusted.
Watching that 67s series and listening to the broadcasters (grain of salt of course) I think he'd be a great pick-up. Assuming we retain Lehner as "the future", Subban seems like he could either surprise and steal the future job away or at the very least be a quality asset in the system.
But yeah, I don't think I'd be thrilled if we packed our 15th with some prospect to move up just to draft Subban.
The shit is getting real fast !!
NO NO and NO.. damn -- why Lehner -- it's like giving Columbus back that 2nd round pick.. why not Bishop?
Chirp, do you know of any other of the 'draft eligible players' have been in Ottawa for an interview?
Pretty easy Lehner is better and younger then Bishop ~ Its not like giving them back a 2nd its like giving them a young number 1 goalie ..
Then why give him away if he is better? I just don't get it.. why give away the better goalie? So you can watch him raise the Stanley Cup with another team in the future. Sure that works. It's dumb..
well..jackets is the biggest prospect graveyard out there. and one of the worst with goaltenders.
in other words, lehner's career would end before it even starts.
Your not giving him away we get Rick Nash its a trade ..Why would jackets take Bishop when they and we know we have a better goalie in the wings in Lehner??
Its not dumb its a smart business move and jackets dont make many !!!
It's just I don't get it when a team trades the better player. Yes I'm not going to argue Nash would look great in a Sens uniform... but at some point wouldn't a team protect it's best assets.. and trade Bishop who right now is more NHL ready than Lehner? Hell might as well trade Silfverberg as he will be better than Zibanejad... same thing...
Sure they would want too protect high end young talent but Lehner has value and we dont know if the Jackets or even Ottawa believes Lehner is not ready for NHL ..Alot Sens fans believe him too be ...Plus we dont know who will be good and who wont be... all we know is we have a boatload of young talent with value
I am probably in the minority here that thinks that Silfverberg, as skilled as he is, will not have the impact that everyone here expects. From what I've seen from him, he stays to the outside alot and doesn't hit. Just like Runblad was being revved up last year by us. We already have Spezza for that. Come playoff time, we need big guys that can grind the other teams best players into the ground like L.A. just did. So with that said Zibanejad/Noese n/Stone are my untouchable prospects but Silfverberg is expendable to acquire a 27 yrs old Team Canada Rep and year in year out All Star.
If it takes Lehner, Silfverberg and 15th + to get a deal done then Murray should do it IMO. At 27 yrs old Nash still has 5 season plus of good hockey in him.
Sandy, to say we would be giving up the best player (Lehner) for Nash is highly homerizing the offer.
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