For the fourth straight game, it was the Sens that struck first in the hockey game allowing them to set the tone in this one.
Jim O'Brien, who has seen his role increase with each passing game, beat Clemmensen on a wrap around for his first goal in the National Hockey League. Later in the opening frame, the Panthers drew even when Shawn Matthias walked around Sergei Gonchar and beat Anderson high on the glove side.
In the second period, the Ottawa Senators took control.
Kaspars Daugavins deflected a point shot from Brian Lee to give the Senators a 2-1 lead. Not long after that, Bobby Butler finished off a terrific three way passing play, with Michalek and Spezza picking up the helpers. Then with the Sens shorthanded, Daniel Alfredssson was sprung on the breakaway and beat Clemmensen like a rented mule for his 20th of the season. For Alfie, that is his 13th twenty goal season of his impressive career.
Early in the third, Michalek deflected an Erik Karlsson feed past Theodore to give Ottawa a commanding 5-1 lead and put this one to bed. Campbell and Kuba would exchange goals before the third period expired.
In a game where the scoreboard seems to indicate a one-sided win, Craig Anderson was extremely sharp in the Sens goal. The Panthers had a number of chances to score and kill the Ottawa momentum but Anderson was there to shut the door. He finished with 42 saves.
The red hot Ducks edged the Pittsburgh Penguins tonight doing the Sens a favour in the East. The Oilers and Leafs go head to head later tonight. With the win, Ottawa pulls even with the 6th place New Jersey Devils. Jersey has four games in hand.
The Senators did their part, winning both of their games this week. They now have to sit back and watch as the teams behind them play some of those games in hand. The Sens don't play again until Monday afternoon when they visit the New York Islanders.
- With a three point game, Jason Spezza has now sits alone in second place in NHL scoring with 63 points. Spezza is good. Really, really good. Multi point nights all around tonight as Lee, Michalek, Alfredsson and Daugavins all had two points a piece.
- Like many of the guys in the Sens line up, Jared Cowen struggled during that seven game losing streak. He has been much better the last few games. Really liked the way he played in Tampa last night and he followed that up with a +3 performance tonight. Cowen led all Sens with 5:44 of shorthanded ice time.
NHL Wake up its 2012 and we are watching pro athletes play a regular season game who are both in a playoff race!
costco sells security cameras that have better picture quality than what we witnessed tonight.
Go Sens!
Glad to see us win. Spezza is the franchise player here; if he going everyone else is.
1st star on NHL.com should be a lock lol
GO SENS
nice to see Kuba, Lee, O'Brien, Daugavins, Foligno, Condra, Butler chip in onto the score sheet. I think thats atleast one player from each of the sens forward lines to get a point today...turris seems snake bitten a little bit but still a significant threat each time he is on the ice.
HAHA Good point! He's playing out of this world!
Since you brought it up...hard to believe Gagne had 8 points in 60 minutes...crazy .
k im going to make it look nice..watch:
spezza has 7 points in approx 31 minutes of ice time ;) so you can prorate that to more about 13 pts in 60 minutes =D
Look how happy O'Brien's reaction was, and rightfully so. Congrats to him and the entire team on tonight's effort. Great momentum let's drive all the way to April guys come on vous etes capable. Go fucking Sens go.
Amen brother man. They play Van Saturday night. Nothing would be more satisfying if they lost both games.
Great win for the boys tonight tho!!
"Are you an expert?"
Enjoy the golf now Sens... the way I sees it you won't get another chance to hit the links until at least late May.
GFS!
~Peluso
unfortunately, leafs still ended up with 2 points...but yes, leafs suck!
yea stupid edmonton...get too overconfident.
I would definitely see if Nash would be interested in coming to OTT. I would try and grab him if it didn't include Lehner, Zibby or any of Spezza, Michalek, Karlsson, Cowen, Turris.
Butler, Greening, Foligno, Stone, our 1st rounder, Puempel, Noesen, Weircoch etc would all be available to be moved if CLB wanted to choose a few of those players...
Don't think Ottawa has the pieces AVAILABLE to make the deal though.
if there was, I'd be willing to bet it was to watch Florida. Dave Talon took over a healthy stable and he's already shown he's ready to add the right players to take a run...
His career started late due to college so he doesn't have a ton of miles on him.
That would really solidify our left wing with Umberger, Michalek, Foligno and Greening. I'm not sure what it would cost, but if they're rebuilding, they probably don't want much money coming back the other way.
Thoughts?
That's a high price tag for 25 goal scorer. I would pass as the money can be better used elsewhere.
I really don't think the Sens will make any major move this deadline. There is no point in overpaying at the deadline for a player. I just don't think this is the year to make a major move to try and win the cup. Shipping out someone at the deadline (Kuba/Konopka) would be a ballsy move by Murray considering they are in the thick of a playoff race...especial ly when you consider Kuba may be our most stable defenceman. He is the runnaway leader in +/- on the team right now.
agreed, only moves Murray should be considering are kuba & Gonchar out, for picks (if we decide to stick with the rebuild) otherwise i think our team, as is, should be given the opportunity to try and fight their way into the playoffs - what a learning experience for our young guns. Its also a positive reinforcement for all of their team first attitudes... it might piss off the team if they worked their asses off this season and outperformed only to be bumped down the depth chart for a primadona like carter.
Well I'm pretty sure Gagner didnt play the full 60 minutes, probably under 17 minutes and got 8pts...dont know what that prorates to, way to early for that but I'm sure it destroys Spezza's.
Carter not so much but Nash or Parise are a must if we want to contend with the big boys in the next few years. I could care less if Greening or Condra are upset about being bumped from the top 6, they dont belong there anyways.
Not to be rude but unless your source is Bryan Murray you have no idea it's must likely not going to happen do too how much we have to give up or carter contract but you never know
Does that mean BM may have an interest in Parise......
Entirely based on what I have been told time and time again this season and what I have shared with the readers of this site on multiple occasions. The Sens will not be looking to add big contracts this year.
Only as a free agent I hope.
That's better we all know te sens are on a budget and it's unlikely but unless your Murray u don't know
this team has shown it can go toe to toe with top teams when its playing its system properly. the young guns coming in next year will fit in much better than a player who has been traded for. the only attractive opportunity is in the offseason, when some of these guys (parise, hemsky, suter) may hit the market.
on a topic of real need: defense - I dont know about people here, but the more I see Kuba play the more I feel that he should be retained short term and Gonchar dangled instead.
btw Cowen is a beast again. and can you guys believe the balance Brian Lee has brought to the sens blueline? its subtle but boy it has an impact. with him in there, all the pairings are now balanced and each pairing has enough mobility to get that puck out of the zone. No-one is caught in awkward slow pairings. This guy should be made a long term senator FAST.
also, i feel turris is close to breaking out again, he is all over the puck every game but just seems snake-bitten. few close calls in tampa. same for Zack Smith.
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#CBJ Rick Nash, Jeff Carter and Fedor Tyutin absent from practice this morning. Checking.
And just to get the heart racing a little bit, there was a Columbus scout at the Sens/Panthers game last night.
no point speculating the details but if the senators are making a deal then i hope that they are not doing something crazy.
Senschirp did you not just get finished telling us that Murray is not taking on any big contracts and there is no way we are in talks with cbj about carter or nash? So what are you doing?
Haha SC is not God, he can only go by what he heard, and like one poster said, unless he's speaking to Murray, he has no idea whats going on, like u and me...(Ok maybe a bit more than u and me.)
Getting Nash would make sense, Carter not so much.
Haha part of the fun of the weeks leading up to deadline day! As indicated above, all I can go on is what I've been told, but that doesn't mean I'm the one making the deals.
Far more likely that scout was watching the Florida Panthers in my opinion.
"What the F^@% does that mean?" - Everyone watching the game and the highlights
hmm...what would florida give up though? I wonder if CLS is looking at Markstrom??
also....were Kulikov and Jovocop playing yesterday?
i dont get the blue jackets at all. i dont think they see the potential here by getting through this season, getting Yakupov possibly and then coming back with a fresh slate next year.
honestly they should fire Howson, i think he is going to cause some real damage to the blue jackets. wonder how much all of this has to do with the rumors about Carter not being happy after his trade from Philly and becoming unmovable.
Maybe even St. Louis ...
wouldnt that be amorous...tradi ng your captain within the division.lol
It's a long shot ... but we've seen teams like Toronto & Boston make trades.
St.Louis has the cap space and 3 young goalies that they can pick from to include in an offer ... That said, Nash may not be keen to play for Hitch again.
Saw that he was held off the ice this morning and asked which teams he would be willing to move to.
What about Lehner?
Haha I was waiting for that.
I must say I don't get the Florida rumors for Nash. Why would they trade Markstrom to start, he looks like he'll be a really good goaltender. Secondly why in the world would Nash want to go to Florida if it just turns them into the next Columbus.
I think Murray would be insane to let lehner go, Ottawa hasnt had an excellent number one goalie in forever. For the future of the team, we need to hold on to him for sure.
Agreed.
what about Markstrom Gudbranson or kulikov and a pick
but why would Nash want to go to Florida? Carter doesn't have a NTC though...
http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/capitals-talk/post/McPhee-says-hes-not-trading-Knuble?blockID=652304
That's too bad. We could have really used his goal scoring prowess!
I think he's on pace for at least 5 this year. Time to fail for Nail I guess.
Love the way the SENS play can stomach a short playoff run if it means keeping our young assets. If we can score Carter at minimal costs I say go for it. Otherwise stand pat.
Reasons
- don't wanna spend money
- don't want rental players
- Must be min 3 year plan type player
- don't wanna trade proscepts
Sad part is sounds like the teams that are chasing us etc Leafs and Washington probably getting Green and Backstrom back it looks less and less hopeful
That being said though, I don't think Murray makes a move at the deadline unless the price of Ruutu comes down. He is the kind of player I think Murray wants. He can play on any line, can play all three forward positions, can contribute offensively & is a good all around player who plays a 200' game. A very versatile player who Murray could re-sign & contribute to the organization for another 5 yrs or so. OHe also won't be a problem in the room & of course, the price has to come down in order for this to happen.
In this market Murray has to always think of the future & keeping this team competitive rather than go all in just for one season. While winning it all is the objective I don't think it is at all cost. Going into the toilet for the next few yrs doesn't help anyone especially Melnyk with this fickle fan base who won't support a losing team. So they will try & make the best deal they can without comprimising the future of the team.
Are there any rules in place that say a GM can't talk to the agent of a pending UFA whilst that player is under contract?
He's struggled mightily since going on the AHL Cup run, he hasnt been able to shoulder the #1 workload in Binghampton, what says he can for the Sens. I dont think the Sens are as high on him as people tend to believe. We can easily pick up another goalie in the draft.
Isnt he injured? like for 3-4 weeks?
RALEIGH, N.C. - The Carolina Hurricanes say they expect forward Tuomo Ruutu to miss three weeks with an unspecified upper body injury.
Yes there is a rule in place, it's tampering. In rare circumstances teams will allow other teams to talk to the player and his agent if it's the only way to get the deal done, but a lot of GM's expect the new team to take that risk on whether they can re-sign the player or not.
I am aware he is injured which is why a Ruutu deal (not that i want it to happen now anyway) wouldn't be likely unless you had a VERY good idea that you would be re-signing him in the summer and for what amount.
Are you saying he struggled cause you've watched the games or because you looked at the stat sheets and made assumptions? He started the year with a lot of injuries to his teammates, then got suspended and injured himself and hasn't had a chance to regain his role and find his groove since. It would be a huge mistake to give up on Lehner already, let alone look at his stats this year and claim the things you have.
as per http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/content/stories/2012/2/16/whats-the-price-for-nash.html
If CBJ wants a young goaltender, I'd trade Lehner for Nash.
Not saying give up on him but if he is a piece of a package that upgrades our team, I would have no problems with that.
And I'm not claiming anything, its fact, he's struggling, thats exactly what I said.
I know at least one of the guys who regularly watches the bingo games and posts on here has said so. He has also said that the crowd have been getting on him again (in his defence he isn't one of them).
If you read the game reports from Joy Lindsey (amongst others) they are also saying that he has not been having a good year - partly because of the reasons you highlight.
You don't have to have watched every game to have an opinion and you ceretainly don't have to have watched every game to be right. You only need to read the comments here for that, two people who watch every sens game can have wildly differing opinions on an individual player.
I don't think we should come close to trading Lehner away at the moment unless it's part of a package for a genuine top line player, but nor do I think he should be the only egg in our goaltending basket.
Well thats just a classic Tookie, making comments from his ass as usual
Something like a 1st, Lehner, and maybe Foligno/Condra/ Greening/Smith, and I'd pull the trigger on Nash. Maybe even Add Noessen and/or Puempel to sweeten the deal to get a 2nd out of CBJ.
It's all about trying to upgrade the team. Not "feel-good" story here. It's a business.
But as stated above, it seems Nash is not interested in Ottawa anyways.
Exactly what is it that you dont like, the fact that Lehner is having a terrible year or the fact that I aint the only one who said it?
In any case I think your the one talking out of his ass. Read a little bit it might help you better understand certain situations.
Thank you so much for the tip tookie I will do my best to read some more. Im pretty sure if you read you would realize that what you are even talking about (nash to ottawa) is a rediculous notion. Yes you can hope and dream, but it really doesnt fit with the sens plan. Nor does it fit with nash's for that matter. but thanks again, your comments are always good for a laugh.
Bingo, agree with you, only if it brings back a proven top line player...
I also want the Sens to pick another goalie, I'm just not sold on Lehner like everyone else is. He hasnt proved he can handle a full year in the AHL yet.
He hasn't had a full year in the AHL. Just like he hasn't been given the clear #1 goalie role there either. He can't prove things he's not given the opportunity to even try to achieve.
I don't think he can really do anything about it. The TV deal in Canada has TSN owning Wednesday nights. Since TSN decided to pick up the Montreal vs Boston game last night and on TSN2 they had basketball they couldn't show the game.
Well, as I recall, this is the 2nd year in a row that lehner was expected be to the go-to guy in Bingo, and both times, the other goalie has out-played him. Yeah, I know he had a great playoff, and full credit to him for that - but I think Tookie (and others) are right, suggesting that he may be in play, if trade offers are made for him. And yes, he has had a less then stellar year.
Please tell me you are not claiming he was given the #1 role last year and lost it. That was not even close to the situation. You do remember he was in Ottawa a lot last year, warming up the bench right?
I'm not saying he's been perfect, but his numbers are not reflective of his play. It hasn't fallen off that badly, the team in front of him has been worse, as well as other factors previously mentioned. The point is, there are very valid explanations to the decline in his numbers and they should not be cause for alarm long term and definitely not a reason to trade him.
I don't like the thought of trading him due to our previous rotating door of goalies. I think he's got a great future ahead of him and he'll round in to form next year when the team in front of him is stronger.
Know, I know I may sound like SF19 but guys like(picked Dallas) Burish/Ott and maybe Grossman/Pardy/ Souray would really make Ottawa a tough team to contend with. Also, the ones I listed come with reasonable last year contracts. I do think Morrow though would likely require a big package of prospects and picks.
Just a thought.
I agree with all of you about needing another goalie prospect. Ideal situation would be to sign Bishop this summer in my opinion, or grab one in the 3rd round. However, we currently don't have a 2nd round pick this year as we traded it for Turris.
in this league, two commodities- defense depth and goaltending depth - are showing to be extremely precious because of the increase in compete level across the board. every team now has forwards that can burn you at will. therefore every team now has a chance to win any given night. Sens therefore need to get back to restocking d-men and goalies because they dont have depth in those departments. Sens now have a ridiculous depth in forwards that can possibly make the NHL rosters:
Zibanejad, Noesen, Puempel, Prince, Silfverberg, Petersson, Da Costa, Hoffman, Stone, Pageau. Then you have Filatov still hanging around in Russia who is still a possibility. Add that to whats already on the roster: Spezza, Turris, Michalek, Greening, Smith, Foligno, Daug, Butler, Condra, O'Brien, Regin, Winchester, Neil and Alfie.
depth is crucial in today's NHL. teams with depth are always successful and winning because they have an abundance of guys always ready to hop into roles across the board and make an impact. teams that have no depth over-rely on their stars and that in the end hurts both the team and the player. this goes for every position.
Therefore sens should absolutely not trade Lehner because they have right now ZERO goaltending depth. Lehner is basically the backup who is not on the bench because Auld is not a true backup. The sens die is cast, its pretty clear they have to shore up the d-depth and goalie-depth moving forward. They got the real need of 2LC fixed by getting Turris and Zibanejad will be the clutch winger we have always wanted. book it.
Sorry Took, again I will have to disagree.
hasnt proven anything?
Won the Calder Cup as a Rookie, and the playoff MVP... pretty impressive to me... No?
Completely agree and very well broken down. With the depth of the draft this year at both the D and G positions, i think we could very likely see a 1st round D and 3rd round G picks this year, assuming none of the elite forwards fall to us in the 1st round.
Technically El Tooko just said that Lehner hasn't proven he can handle a full year in the AHL yet - which is true.
I think he's the future but it won't hurt to have another top prospect to push him and/or be another option.
The B-Sens have been completey depleted after winning the AHL Cup.
Mostly all of the D from last year is gone, and replaced with either rookies, or sophomore D.
It is still a mans league, and best D are under 23.
He is very young and is very talented, lets be patient, there is a reason that Murray signed Andy to 3 years, and it is not to rush a young Lehner into the NHL.
I am very confident he will be the goalie that won the Cup last year.
Sorry Took, again I will have to disagree.
hasnt proven anything?
Won the Calder Cup as a Rookie, and the playoff MVP... pretty impressive to me... No?
Miguel - you are so keen to leap down tookie's throat, do you actually bother to read what is being said before doing it?
Where does Tookie say Lehner hasn't prove anything? The specific "criticism" that was mentioned was that he hasn't handled a full AHL season yet - which is the absolute truth, he has been the starter for a full year yet.
What Lehner did in the playoff run was absolutely stellar, no doubt about it, but let's not forget that he wasn't the No1 going into the playoffs, partly because of the inconsistency in his play during the regular season.
I'm not advocating we give up on him but he needs to be a regularly consistent performer either in the AHL or as a HNL back-up before he's handed the keys.
completely love the way Lee has been playing, and I am not talking about recently.
He has been one of our best Defensive d-men in about a year, he dramatically impreved at the end of last year, and was a big part of our late surge, only to get caught up in numbers again and be forced to sit.
He makes a big difference when he is in the lineup, he is very calming, because he can skate himself out of a jam, he will take hit to make the play, and is quick to release that quick pass out to break our forwards out of our zone.
I do hope he has SAT his last game.
The flip side of this is that Carkner is now forced to sit, and if it has to be either Carkner or Lee, then I would take Lee,
but if you ask me Carkner or Gonchar, ( with Carkner as the 6th D and only 15 minutes ) the I say play Carkner and sit Goncahr... IMO of course
Miguel - you are so keen to leap down tookie's throat, do you actually bother to read what is being said before doing it?
Where does Tookie say Lehner hasn't prove anything? The specific "criticism" that was mentioned was that he hasn't handled a full AHL season yet - which is the absolute truth, he has been the starter for a full year yet.
What Lehner did in the playoff run was absolutely stellar, no doubt about it, but let's not forget that he wasn't the No1 going into the playoffs, partly because of the inconsistency in his play during the regular season.
I'm not advocating we give up on him but he needs to be a regularly consistent performer either in the AHL or as a HNL back-up before he's handed the keys.
Yes, I do like to pick on Tooks... guilty as charged
But way to soon to be giving up on Lehner, if you ask me.
Listen all the knee-jerk reaction years here where we felt we needed to add a player at the deadline to put us over the top? Well most of those turned out to be a jolly big waste of time.
This year is different. There is no way we have any misconceptions about being a front running contender even if we DID pick up someone like Nash or Parise or any other single player...
What makes this year different is a very impactful Canadian superstar who has shown past chemistry with Spetzky has surprisingly come onto the market and if we were to look at him it would be more calmly and objectively as long term move for the team, not as simply an addition for a single Cup run.
That being said I totally trust Murray. If he feels it is worth flipping Z-Bad or Lehner or a first or Michalek or Foligno or all five of those pieces then I have faith in what the management team decides...
But we all know that is unlikely to happen no matter what. Even if Nash WAS willing to come here, we may not even be interested in the $$$ and term.
We'll find out very soon I think!
the best thing about the sens winning the last two games is that if washington does win all its games in hand, it will leapfrog everyone into 3rd spot and put florida in 9th. the sens are in somewhat of a perfect cushion so long they keep winning regularly for the next while. small spurts of 2 to 3 game win streaks should do it. the leafs are in the real danger lol....they are on a road trip and their next stop is the vaunted canucks who cant seem to lose..leafs squeaked by yesterday, saturday will be a tough tough test.
the sens absolutely have to bury NYI next because they are a team below them by a large amount and a win against NYI removes the threat of the islanders themselves and put the leafs, caps and panthers in a further bind to fight for that last spot. remember third spot is going to the one of FLA or WSH.
"Once Bryan gets me my $14 back and the Lawyers get Heatley for $4mill then next year we spend for the "Big Piece" after we see where all and I mean all of the prospects end up!"..."And I want some playoff money this year, it's simbolic!"
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based purely on having tradeable assets, desire to compete soon and cap space.
I would think Columbus would want Huberdeau from Florida but a more likely starting point might by Gudbranson
We need to promote the crap out of this guy.. Pad his stats. Make You tube videos. Get McGuire and MacKenzie to talk about his "value"... Maybe package him up with tax incentives?? Cmon, this is Ottawa!
i'm not really sure how florida would be able to afford nash, did you see they're crowd last night?
big spending florida will go bankrupt.
If you think what we got for Fisher last year, a 2nd rounder,(condit ional 3rd) you'd have to think Morrow would go for something similar/maybe a touch more.
Like 2nd rounder/Noesen (any other prospect)
Something like that.
Pretty Cap friendly and he is pure heart and soul.
first two lines:
MM9-Spezza-BB16 (Greening/Foligno)
Morrow-Turris-Alfie
Would really give us some depth/leadership.
Thoughts???
I was with you on Morrow until his most recent injury. Here's the latest news on his situation, doesn't sound too good.
"Feb 14 LW Brenden Morrow (upper body) was placed on injured reserve and missed a fifth straight game on Tuesday at Detroit. Stars head coach Glen Gulutzan said before Friday's game in Buffalo that treatment for Morrow's back, neck and shoulder issues was not going well and that another course of action was needed, which likely includes rest. Gulutzan said his captain figures to miss at least two more weeks. "
I had no idea of the extent of that injury. I figured they might be keeping him because of a possible future deal.
Back to the drawing board for me!
Go Sens!
Well said RUSH,
no need to rent any players,
I would rather see how far we can get with this exciting bunch, that has brought us some fo the most exciting hockey we have seen in a couple of years.
See how the perform, and them make any additions/chang es in the offseason.
If anything, dump Gonchar (unlikely) or even Kuba, and see what our youth can do with the chance.
But as you say "In Murray we trust"
Also, didn't we get a 1st rounder for Fisher? And do we even have a 2nd round pick this year to trade? And, lastly, do you really think a healthy Morrow is comparable to Fisher... wow!
Everyone is quick to mention Lehner won the Cup, do you realize our team was stacked for the playoffs? we had the top scorer in Locke and bunch of role players who had NHL experience under their belt and one of the best D in the League in addition to Cowen...LEhner played well enough for us to win but is wasnt BECAUSE of him that we won, keep it real folks!
Yep either one, doesnt bother me but we need to get another top line player to contend for the Cup, none of our prospects are top line material.
Tookie, some of my recent posts have defended you, but, really, sometimes you say stupid things. None of them, eh?
And why do we want to give up top 6 talent for a rental?
Well if you can name me 1 that is projected to be a top line elite player and actually belong there, then you win...
Haha you took the words from the post and completely rearranged them so that you could disagree.
Tookie do u even remember those playoffs? B-sens were down and out 3-1 in the first round until Lehner came in and stole the show. Also, Locke is still on the team this year. I'm not trying to pick on you, but you are saying some really stupid shit today.
Our elevated play has given our guys some value and we should take advantage of that, we can call up players from bingo to fill the roster if all we are after are picks and we should feel confident with that since they had went deep into the playoffs and won the calder cup.
this a great time for this team to learn
Thank you I was about to write a similar post.
NHL players? maybe veteren AHL players, but not too many NHL players.
And the best D in the league? Really how do you come to realize that they were the best D in the league?
Hey just cuz he was top scorer last year doesnt mean he will again, although he is still having a good season, despite all the bad stuff.
And yeah I watched, Brust was a bum, Lehner came in and played better than Brust, thats it, nothing superb.
Also, none of the players who came down from the NHL last year are there today.
I was about to apologize because I initially was thinking you meant top 6 (even though you explicitly said top LINE - my mistake)
I think they have several prospects who they are hopeful about being top 6 players, but now I see you have added the word "elite"...I would say there's not a team in the league who has a prospect who all agree is elite. They don't come along all that often..
I can tell you that hockeysfuture.c om does rate Ottawa 2nd in the league, for prospects. Not bad...
I think it would take a #1 draft pick, Lehner, Michalek and one of Zibanejad or Silfverberg... Nash will be expensive and the cost at this point, to a team that is still re-building, IMO, is too much.
So did the Blue Jackets, Nash or his agent produce his 'list' to the media.. those are the teams for sure... or is it someone's best guess?
Just not Tim Thomas superb!
um the players that went down had been down all year except for a few who had been rotating or had just come up: Potulny, Keller, Smith, Butler, Condra, Greening. All forwards. Derek Smith and David Hale were the D-guys that had been yo-yoing. Dont remember them playing full time on the top roster. Hale was hired specifically for Bingo purposes. Just like Mark Parrish this year. Derek Smith was used only as a filler on the top club, nothing significant. Bingo was a big time cinderella run last year because they didnt have any of the sens top offensive prospects amongst them. The only stud d-prospect was Cowen, who was just coming off of Junior btw, i believe his only AHL experience is mostly the playoffs last year. And Lehner was backing up Brust. Zack Smith is probably the only real notable NHL forward on that team...if you really want to push it.
fact is, Lehner is too important right for a whole whack of reasons to be traded away. so, dont argue a useless point. Ottawa will not, should not, can not trade lehner. Not until they replace him with someone better at the very least.
If somehow we managed to dump Gonchar either at deadline or at draft, AND kuba would be willing to stick around for 2.5 per year would you do it?
Kuba-karlsson have formed quite a duo, and I know its mostly Karlsson doing, but you can't help but feel some level would drop. Think Phillips/Volchenkov
Anyways I think we should at least contemplate it
um Tim Thomas didnt really get "good" until he came to the NHL.....and dont forget, just 1.5 seasons ago, he had lost his job to Tuuka Rask. and also dont forget that even with Thomas winning the cup, they dont get stupid flashy ideas about trading Rask...infact, thomas still figures in more trade rumors than he respectably should. did Rask win the calder cup for Bruins? no. so why should the sens become complete numb nuts and trade away the one stud goalie prospect they have finally landed? when was the last time the sens actually had a commendable goalie in the system anyways?
they definitely should, Kuba is a better overall defender than Gonchar. Logic would say to dump Gonchar always before Kuba. he looked like a power forward on that breakaway yesterday lol and that powerplay snipe was slickkk.
Thats a writers opinion, no experts insight on that.
Were only on that list because we drafted 3 picks in the first round, they have to be good, right?
The only one I have high hopes for is Silfverberg, he will be our Zetterberg, he will be taking Alfie's spot on the 2nd line wing. After that our best prospect Zibby has concussion issues and his style of play will give him more down the road. Prince, Noesen werent even good enough to play for Team USA, who needed much help...Puempel is a 3rd line grinder. Prince is the next Corey Locke, Pageau is the next GIROUX!! (I doubt he makes it past the AHl really, its too bad, size will be a factor here)
And Stone, probably our Gem, our wildcard! Unless he improves drastically on skating, he's gonna have a hard time getting out of Bingo.
in the words of the venerable Andy Sutton:
"Are you an expert?"
its ok you dont have to answer the question.....
Well with all that in the lineup -- Brust got them in a hole in the 1st round down 3 games to 1. Lehner came in and helped them win the next 3 in overtime. Even KK said without Lehner they do not win that series... so he played a big role in their run last season.
Given this season Bingo lost 7 of it's 12 forwards and it's starting top 4 D... injuries to key players, including Lehner -- it's no wonder they are where they are.
I would give Lehner a break.. he is still young.. did he not come up and win a game with the Sens this season?
From now on I will only consult hockeysfutureas seenbytookiebec ausehesalwaysri ght.com
Great now your better informed, by the way where are my Royalties!
if...and I mean IF... we should do anything I say grab a shot blocking shut down D man
see what these kids can do in the playoffs (who knows maybe we make some noise... maybe we don't)
then come the off season try as hard as we can to get karlsson signed before july 1st so we know what numbers we have to work with
....then take a very aggressive stab at Zach Parise... and if the prices arent too high take a run at Suter or Matt carle
STOP trying to keep Kuba. He's NOT NOT NOT NOT part of the rebuild. Trade him for whatever picks you can get (or if nobody offers anything then keep him for the rest of this year) but next year we need that spot to break in another new D.
Andre Petersson.
Ask Bryan Murray if you don't believe me.
Do I smell sarcasm? Hmmmm... yes, I believe I do...
that would be ideal, but given that the sens are making the playoffs as of right now letting kuba out now might prove substantial. i mean we cant replace him with Carkner for the rest of the year and expect to win games lol. I dont know about BoroCop though, unknown commodity but with decent apparaisals uptil now.
I wouldn't mind them signing him for 2 years and then get his replacement ready and dump him next deadline. that way their is depth, there is future gains and there is no serious cap hit either. don't forget, a pairing of Gonchar and Karlsson only spells like TROUBLE.
i think you should also apologize for your follow-up sarcasm towards the resident expert on this forum.
If we make a trade it will be for a long term player. Not a rental like Ruutu or any other veterans
We absolutely need a 1st line winger. The fact that Nash is available is a friggin miracle. He is by far the best power forward in the league. When he is on, absolutely nobody can touch him. He's got speed, size, he can snipe, and get the dirty goals. On top of all that he played along side Spezza at the World Champs a few years ago. That was probably the best hockey I've ever seen. They were unreal together. I can only imagine how they would look together for 82 games.
As for Lehner. I like him and think he will be a great NhL'er some day. However like Tookie said, our bingo squad was beyond stacked last year so I would give him minimal credit for the Calder. To me the only reason he got MVP was because of the amount of OT/game 7 wins he had. On top of that he seems to be frustrated about not making the team and has let it affect his game. I do think he could be good for us BUT if Columbus absolutely wants a good young goalie I would give him up in a heart beat. Just like we all loved and believed Rundblad would be good, I think most people would now say that was great trade.
They apparently want a young roster player, young goalie, a good prospect, and a 1st
I say Butler, Lehner, Puempel, and our 1st
To me that's a great trade(for both teams). You simply cannot get a player like Nash without a 1st overall pick(which we will never have). If they are willing to give him up, you give the world for him.
Butler has been lighting it up of late therefore his value has sky rocketed just like Sam Ganger.
Lehner has the Calder MVP on his CV.
Puempel was a very highly touted 1st rnd blue chip prospect.
I think this makes both teams better
Stop trying to trade Kuba at the deadline. Despite the fact that your NHL12 team reacted well to trading veteran top 2 defenceman at the deadline for draft picks, real life teams that are trying to make the playoffs won't.
If we have Nash. Suddenly we could be a very attractive team for a player who wants to win
don't forget, they played together at the world championships which is nowhere close to NHL level of intensity and style of play. You know here in the NHL, the opposing coach would himself come and give you a concussion if he could, to win the game. No love-taps like the kind that go on in the World Champs.
and....so who will replace Lehner once your suggestion sucks that well dry?
now here is an interesting tidbit, coming no less from a leafs blogger:
"When you consider that a franchise player like Ilya Kovalchuk, garnered a low first round pick, Nicolas Bergfors, Johnny Oduya and prospect Patrice Cormier only a couple years ago, it leads me to believe that the deal for Nash and his $7.8 Million cap hit will be for less than most expect."
so exactly what are we smoking when we suggest trading Lehner along with suggestions of trading Silfverberg and Zibanejad and Michalek for Nash? also, who in the world ever trades from an area of weakness = sens goaltending?
whats the risk in going after a UFA? you are not giving up anything, you only stand to gain. the only risk is the gain at an overpayment. which in this case will be marginal given the player concerned: Parise.
here is a prediction btw: Parise will go to NYI and so will Suter. they will make the pitch. watch. and then the atlantic division will literally turn on its head. They already have Nabokov playing super for them and convinced to stay. they have a bevy of young good forwards: JT, moulson, parenteau, Okposo, Bailey, Neilsen. Parise will go there because of his dad's legacy plus its a small move too.
First of all I never said give up Silverberg or Zibanejad
Lehner is NOT as elite as everyone thinks he is. If he was he would be a started in Bingo. And you can say he hasn't had a shot at being that guy. That's complete B.S. When a goalie gets 1 start, that's his opportunity. If he wins that game while playing well he WILL get another start soon after. And if he keeps winning he will keep getting starts therefore becoming the #1 guy. He has not done this throughout 2 seasons
Just like we drafted Lehner in the 2nd rnd, we'll be able to get another good goalie in either the 2nd or 3rd round either this year or next.
However, players like Nash who are nothing short of ELITE don't go on the market often. And like tookie said we have zero 1st line caliber players. Spezza absolutely needs a legit scoring winger
And that stuff about the world champs being not intense. That's a bunch of B.S. It's a tough tournament with many great players. The point is Spezza and Nash showed amazing chemisty and creativity. You'd be stupid to suggest it wouldn't be the same in the slightly more intense NHL
And the risk of waiting for July 1st to make a pitch for Parise is that we might end up with nothing and again be searching and waiting for an elite level winger to play with Spezza. And will have to live with greening or butler. That to me is unacceptable when a payer like Nash was available
On top of that the team is probably going to move therefore bringing tons of uncertainty which is the exact opposite of what a high end UFA wants. They have worked their asses of to become high end UFA's and will use that opportunity to sign for as much money as possible and for as big a term as possible and with the best team(just like Richards did)
The Sens will wait and make a pitch for Parise as they believe they have a very good chance of landing him...and my source is a Murray.
Would that be Bill?
Well playoffs this year don't mean much to me. We're not making a run and even if we are Kuba is not the guy to carry us to the cup. Plan for the future - this year is bonus. Of course I'm not saying dump him for a 7th just for the sake of it, but don't sign him for another year or two past this one.
Quoting TheSensTruth:
LOL - I'm not saying he's going to fetch a whole lot (though he might get us a 2nd). And of course if Murray decides that none of the younger guys are ready (or for whatever reason we need a veteran D), AND Kuba's a good option then fine. But that should only be after we've exhausted other options. (Assuming we don't sign Suter)
1. Let a young guy start grooming for the end of the rebuild.
2. If we need a body look for someone cheap on a short deal that we can easily move aside when someone is ready.
3. See if Kuba will sign dirt cheap (why would he BTW after a bounce-back year?)
However that's besides the point. A goaltenders numbers will generally be indicative of the style of play endorsed by the coach and the overall quality of the team. A deep team with a good defensive minded coach will always have good numbers for their goaltenders. A loose more offensive team will always have higher numbers even if they win a lot of games.
Just look at the Devils for all those years. Deep team with a super defensive system. Then look at the Capitals during their offensive insanity years. Lets say you put Brodeur in both situations. I think you can guess which one his numbers would look better in.
The real important thing with a goaltender is that they don't give up the stinkers. The ones that kill your teams confidence. Those are unacceptable goals at the NHL level and should be few and far between. If a goalie gets burned for 3-4 goals because your team gave up 10 odd man rushes it's not their fault. Teams that trade chances more give up more goals, it's really that simple.
After that deal Kuba and Gonchar could get us 1st's
No Bill is my Lakers insider.
I'm interested in a saturday sens game in march, we (me and my wife) have to travel 12 hrs and would need a hotel room too, is there a hotel that has sens ticket packages or some sort of senator weekend getaway package?
If a senschirp night would happen it would be great, and if we can stack up on sens fans and hit the toronto game on st.pattys day it could be an awsome night out in ottawa...
Can you check on options for us if there's any available, thanks in advance.
btw we had prevously stayed downtown and out at the calabogie ski resort, downtown your stuck in traffic and calabogie is an hour or so drive.
something with a shuttle would work too. maybe more people would like to get together and cheer on the sens and outnumber those damn leaf fans.
Anne?
I lied. Trade Kuba. If Grossman is worth that much you would have to get at least to first rounders for Kuba. Hell, Carkner has better stats than Grossman.
Damn straight! Market is being set HIGH!
Sure with Bozak as his centre & smiley Ron Wilson as his coach.. where in Ottawa he could play with Spezza and have a good coach...
I believe I was the one who said it would cost either Silfverberg or Zibby + Michalek. Nash is signed for several years... wasn't Kovalchuk a UFA in the year he was traded? I could be wrong -- but wouldn't that make a difference?
Haven't seen Dallas play... How is Grossman as a D? From your take I would say not that good?
It's not ideal to trade with a team behind us but it could help knocking the leafs out of the playoffs haha
I'm not saying it should be either Praise or Nash, frankly neither of those players blows me away and to be honest wouldn't even raise my pulse as much as when that f**ktard #15 came to the Sens all those seasons ago...
Totally agree with ZPTS though, having a player like either one of those guys combined with what we already have makes us a very powerful team and more attractive to other A-grade free agents.
I've to to peace with perhaps adding a high end piece closer to *next* deadline and a juicy UFA the summer next...
PRAISE ALFIE!
The only way a team will make that level of investment in Kuba or Gonchar is if they are a contender needing to bolster their back end.
It could happen with Washington, Gonch could be a fallback for the persistently injured Green, so maybe they wouldn't mind him around beyond this season...
Don't know anything about your source but I really do believe that this is something the organization is considering. Really depends on whether or not he hits the open market.
as if a lot of UFAs have always wanted to come play in ottawa? dont forget, alot of these guys factor in the tax rate down south in their decisions too. Parise is an american guy. NYI wouldnt be that ridiculous given what they already have. If they do manage to land both Parise and Suter, then all bets should be off. and you cant deny the possibility either, especially for Parise considering his dad won cups there. and then again, we are talking Lou Lamiorello here, the chances of him retaining Parise past the deadline only go up ten fold if Parise is not traded. We all remember how it went down with Kovalchuk, and Parise is their own guy.
The risk for Ottawa will always be lower in the summer. They might trade for him now and lose him come July 1.
going onto Lehner. well im going to go on a limb here and say that people insinuating a trade for Lehner need to start watching some other sport because it just will not happen and the reason for that is because there is no point in making the sens strong in one spot (front) and weak in the another (goaltending). Lehner is definitely backup worthy in the NHL, everyone knows it. Its only a matter of 2 more years he starts games for us.
also just like i said to Tookie about him saying we have zero first line prospects:
"Are you an expert?"
This is a hockey team. These are real people. You can not make a move like this after all the hard work the players and the coaching staff have put into this season.
Kuba could get a decent return but definitely not a first rounder. and the comparison with Grossman is beyond misplaced and incorrect. Philly needed a shutdown man to replace Pronger and they overpaid because they were desperate. Gonchar and Kuba are not shutdown D.
plus Kuba should not be traded in the first place. right now he is more valuable on this sens team than the return he will bring.
thank you for that. finally some real strong support to the notion of retaining him. your point is exactly my point too.
whats even more baffling is that some so-called sens fan above said he doesnt care about the playoffs this year and its more about the return the sens can grab for Kuba. FACEPALM.
traded for a 100 time in the past year.
if anyone is going to sell good tickets i'll consider them.
its just a gut feel, but i get the sense that the rangers will evaporate in the first round.
Still a rebuild right ? If someone came too Murray offered him a 1st rd pick you be crazy too think he would say no it's a rebuild and someone that's not in the future plans gets traded ... Yes they are real people but it's a business first
And Maclean works for Murray not the other way around
As my ticket for tonight gently weeps...
epic fail by FAIL4NAIL. and who in their sane mind will offer a first round pick for Kuba? A KHL team?
"are you an expert?"
gosh.
If Grossman gets a 2nd and 3rd then Kuba could get a 1st I don't know who with will get give I know too make a trade for a guy playing best hockey since he got here
Can fetch u a 1st u do it ...it's smart business
You a expert line was funny probably back in the same time people said gosh lol tool
as for the grossman trade, thats an excellent trade by philly if they can re-sign him to a decently cheap contract. this guy is the type that you do NOT look at his stats, he is young, swedish and very strong at i think 6'4 or '5 and i believe arround 230. he is pure shutdown and he actaully has good skating for his size and although not the most offencivly talented, he can always make a good pass exiting his own zone.
good for philly
learn to write a cohesive sentence first.
and secondly for your information:
grossman is 27 years old, kuba is 35. flyers were in dire need of a shutdown d-man, kuba is not a shutdown guy. kuba's cap hit right now 3.7 mil, grossman's : 1.625 mil.
which contending team is in dire need of a puck mover right now? and even then is kuba really that clutch to demand a first rounder from a contender? does he put a contender over the hump?
I would trade a bunch of those players to get Nash. ei. give them lehner, another prospect and a 1st. We have Anderson for another 3 years, we don't need Lehner right now, and isnt there rumors that the islanders want to trade goalie Anders Nilsson?? (6'5'' 220lbs awesome butterfly prospect, better then lehner and also from sweden). I would much rather have him over Lehner.
ill pretend like either you dont know too much about prospect and you dont watch much of the SEL games. ill give you some facts first of all. lehner and nilsson are virtually the same size, an inch difference (big deal..). next up is lehner is 1 year younger and miles ahead in development. they have pretty similar stats however only difference is lehner has always been the starter even in the WJC. nilsson is always the back up when it got to those levels. lehner has a cup and a little mvp trophy, nilsson has zilch. i have watched both these goalies play many times and ill let you know right now lehner is better. lehner has never got to play on a good team until last year in bingo. nilsson's stats are better because hes always played on better teams.
and oh yea last and most obvious statement is lehner was a 2nd rounder wheres as nilsson was a 3rd (i know, it was in different years.)
the sens havent worked so hard to develope this kid to trade him for another kid that would get us no where ahead.
now if you have hard proof that nilsson is better, then im all ears
the only thing i like better about nilsson is he doesnt have a short temper like lehner, i prefer to call lehner more competitive thats all
Moe! Always appreciate your "eyes on" insight into these prospects. Cheers!
love to share news about our prospects whenever i can.
and to give some news today djurgarden (zibanejad and claesson's team) and brynas (silfverberg's team) lost their games 4-1 each. good news is zibanejad and claesson got an assist each. silfverberg got a goal to now put him at 42points in 41games!
Thank-you Moe, have a great night!
KJ
Anders Nilsson is a great goalie that everyone would be happy with if we needed to trade lehner to get the deal done. For maybe a year now I’ve seen Nilsson rumors and I was curious if anyone else thought as highly of him that I do, because I think he would be a great alternative to Lehner. With Anderson having 3 more years with us, Nilsson would have plenty of time to be a quality backup and develop before he has to take on the #1 job.
so your suggestion is to trade Lehner away for Nash and then also swing a trade with NYI for Nilsson?
for what its worth....Lehner was in net for Ottawa's first win against toronto this season.
good thing you are not the gm.
yeah I'm sorry I am a realistic fan and believe our ceiling this year is 2nd round of the playoffs (not that I wouldnt love going further)... and I think we need a lot of luck for even that to happen....and as much as I would LOVE to get even a 2nd round draft pick for either of gonch or kuba (maybe a 1st)... the message it would send to the players AND the fans...its like saying f' you
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