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Tuesday, 24 January 2012 23:49

Coyotes, Officials Edge Sens

For the third straight game on this road trip, the Sens looked flat and struggled to find their legs for large portions of the game.

Reality is the Senators played well enough to grab an important point tonight but had it taken away when Nick Foligno was called for goalie interference on a tying goal by Alfredsson.  The end result was a 3-2 Coyotes win and a disappointing loss heading in the NHL All Star Break.

For the third straight game, the Senators found themselves on the wrong end of important, game changing calls.  As a team they have to take the blame for this slump but the stripes certainly haven't done them any favours.

First periods have not been pretty for MacLean's group as of late and tonight was no different. The Sens were flat in the opening frame and for the 7th straight game found themselves down 1-0. And unfortunately for the Senators things didn't really opened up in the second. Phoenix is a tough defensive team but a fatigued Ottawa team just didn't have the legs to really force them to defend.

Coyotes got up by a pair but Daniel Alfredsson's 17th of the season gave Ottawa some life heading into the final period.

Vrbata struck early in the third period to restore the two goal lead only to see Chris Neil respond 14 seconds later. Alfredsson appeared to tie the game in the third but the goal was waved off (Video from SensTown) as the officials called Nick Foligno for goaltender interference. Not sure Foligno had anywhere else to go on the play although I am rarely certain of any of the calls made in this league lately.

While the Senators have not played their best hockey of late, the tail end of this road trip was dictated by the officials. When MacLean made that comment in the press the other day, the officials did not like it and it shows.

The Sens now head into the All Star Break with a 27-19-6 record and 60 points. That is good enough for 6th place in the Eastern Conference but the teams behind them are not far behind and all have games in hand.

  • For Kyle Turris, this was his first game in Phoenix since the mid-season trade and he was welcomed "home" by a chorus of boos and a number of hits from veteran defenceman Adrian Aucoin. Turris finished the game with 17:50 of ice time and a single shot on goal.
  • Heading into the month of January, analysts and fans labeled this as a defining stretch for the club. Facing a road heavy schedule and a number of tough opponents, Ottawa had to find a way to stay competitive. While they faded heading into the break, the team has to be happy with the way the month went overall. Ottawa finished with an 8-4-1 record with a game against the Bruins to close out the month post All Star break.
  • Time for Sens fans to put the frustration of the last few games in the rearview and look forward to what is in store the next few days.  NHL All Star Weekend is going to be fun for fans of all ages and it all kicks of with the opening of the NHL Fan Fair and the Fantasy Draft, both set for Thursday.
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+10 #1 Colin 2012-01-24 23:52
Well, if Peel is reffing the All Star game, Team Alfie is screwed ;-)
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+8 #2 dmare085 2012-01-24 23:53
It seems like a reoccurring trend with the NHL referees and poor officiating. If a player does something stupid (i.e. hit from behind, hit to the head, running a goalie) he gets a fine or suspension, how about a referee getting a fine or suspension for blatant stupidity in 3 straight games. What a bunch of garbage, I can't believe the league continues to support this. This was a game that we deserved at least a point in, instead we're going into the All-Star break on a 3 game losing streak and off to Boston after.
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+6 #3 Mark Lamb 2012-01-24 23:59
Just got back home from seeing the games in Anaheim and L.A. - I'm not one to complain about officiating fearing I'll sound like a Leafs fan, but I don't recall being so fucking pissed off. I can accept the loss against L.A. as they clearly outplayed us -- despite the 5 on 3 call against Smith and the penalty shot that shouldn't have been a penalty shot...but the miss call on the Karlsson trip in Anaheim....and tonight's refereeing -- just a joke.
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0 #4 FSJGuy 2012-01-25 00:49
Leafs fans have ZERO reason to bitch about the refs as they are the most popular and money making team in the league, Ottawa is near the bottom for revenue, in Canada, and most refs grew up a Leafs fan, i don't care what you say, that affects split second decisions. I do hate complaining about it despite all that, but its beyond obvious what is going on, and the NHL needs to step in.
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+3 #5 T K 2012-01-25 00:51
The league should create a discrete mechanism for teams to file grievances on officiating. An unchallenged monopoly has no incentive to improve. In the end, poor officiating is an embarassement to the profession and to the league.

Even Jason York, the eternal public zebra defender, was tweeting about it tonight.
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0 #6 SensFanInMTL 2012-01-25 02:13
The refs during the western road trip clearly blow. They're so bad I can't even further express my anger. Bah, few years down the road, sooner than later, Zibanejad, Puempel, Noesen, Prince along with the veteran guys will kick everyone's ass. Refs too for good measure. Let us now enjoy the All Star weekend.

Go Sens go

p.s. The refs phuckin suck major ass.
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+4 #7 MacK 2012-01-25 02:36
I'm pretty much speechless over what we witnessed on this western road trip.
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+3 #8 C 2012-01-25 06:59
There is no incentive to improve the reffing, so it ends up like the Leafs or OC Transpo :)
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+1 #9 Floridasensfan 2012-01-25 07:56
The refs sucking is nothing new, they have had a hate on for Ottawa for many years, I am sure it came from players telling them off or something way back but this is not the first time I have seen this, even last year it was bad.
Some games have been ok for refs, not sure if the ok games were different refs.

The refs are above any rules and are totally corrupt as far as fairness.

Not sure it is fixable as it just elevates more all the time, their blatant non calls and clear distaste for our team and players pisses us off and we get angry at them for it and it just makes it worse.

The fix would be for them to call a fair game but they are blatant about not being fair and they do not care one bit so there is no recourse for them obviously, they can make any call they want and get away with it.

It has to be corrupt all the way to the top for this to go on.
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+1 #10 SensFanDan 2012-01-25 08:21
Very frustrating and disapointing game to watch. We just need to move on from this trip and enjoy All Star weekend followed by the last 30 game stretch drive!

@ Colin

Thanks for the tip in yesterday's blog, I went to Canadian Tire last night to buy tickets for the fan fair on Friday and they charged me 20 dollars for both! Saved me 8.50$ in fees and I used that to buy some ice melter while I was there!

Also going to the All Star skills competition on Saturday, should be fun!
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0 #11 Tookie 2012-01-25 09:22
I didnt see the game, as I was at my own game, just heard after on the radio the play by play of the disallowed goal by Alfie... They seemed to say that Foligno had no where else to go, that to them this was more of just a hockey play gone bad.

On a funny note Potvin almost lost it on air, he is so unprofessional, screaming in his mic and saying the most upsurd things...
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0 #12 SensPuckLuck 2012-01-25 09:24
Guys, I suggest we email the NHL official site and make ourselved heard. Goto http://www.nhl.com/ice/feedback.htm send a message to their corporate marketing.

SPL
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-1 #13 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-01-25 09:35
Quoting T K:
The league should create a discrete mechanism for teams to file grievances on officiating. An unchallenged monopoly has no incentive to improve. In the end, poor officiating is an embarassement to the profession and to the league.

Even Jason York, the eternal public zebra defender, was tweeting about it tonight.


I have been a hockey fan since the mid-50's, and have always held the officials, as fair minded and non partisan
observers, who ruled the NHL in a most efficient manner.

When Mario Lemieux complained about the clutching and grabbing he got results, and the game was better for it !

The game today is a real farce, from the on ice officials,
who seem to be simple robots and are controlling the flow
and cannot call games with any consistency whatsoever.

Goaltender interference is the most blatant penalty called, even when a player is pushed into the goalie, scoring a goal, only to have it refused?? Bush league refereeing at it's worst !!

The NHLPA should have a directive sent to Bettman, concerning the lack of professionalism from the on ice officials period !!
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+2 #14 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-01-25 09:51
Quoting SensPuckLuck:
Guys, I suggest we email the NHL official site and make ourselved heard. Goto http://www.nhl.com/ice/feedback.htm send a message to their corporate marketing.

SPL



Good luck, with that avenue of venting your complaints,
but I wrote to this organization 2 years ago, and after
sending them 2 e-mails, I'm still waiting for their response
which they have totally disregarded !!
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+1 #15 Tookie 2012-01-25 10:01
After looking over the highlights I can see why the ref blew it down, Foligno' right skate is in the crease and gets tangled up with Smith, dragging him out of position with Foligno' momentum.

If this would have happened outside the crease, different story, but inside the crease, no no.

Hate this call all you want but it was a good call. And just like the crew on 1200 mentioned, it goes both ways, and they even mentioned one example, Sens Spezza had interfered with Reimer on a goal that should have been waved off but didnt. They mentioned the timing of it was bad cuz of all the other stuff happening...
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0 #16 The Apostle 2012-01-25 10:08
snoops - it's the exclamation marks - they don't like being shouted at

with the foligno play I don't know what else he is expected to do, after he makes his play he can't just disappear or fly away. Smith was moving out to meet him and the dman was also cutting across him, he had nowhere to go but into the crease.

I don't think Foligno made a conscious effort to interfere with the goaltender and surely he's not expected to move out of the way so the goalie can recover is he?

I can see how the goal could be disallowed but to also give Foligno a penalty seemed harsh. I do think however that as much most of us like the new Foligno driving to the net he is getting a reputation as somebody who bangs into goaltenders. And we already know that the refs make calls based on a player's reputation because they admitted they do with Karlsson. This isn't limited to Ottawa of course but I don't care about the other teams.

Saying that wasn't there a similar incident with Anderson a few games ago?
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0 #17 boom 2012-01-25 10:09
Quoting Tookie19:
After looking over the highlights I can see why the ref blew it down, Foligno' right skate is in the crease and gets tangled up with Smith, dragging him out of position with Foligno' momentum.

If this would have happened outside the crease, different story, but inside the crease, no no.

I only saw it "live", but didn't Foligno have the puck at the time? Typically, this call is only made if the offending player is not the puck carrier. Similar to how you can't stand in the crease, but you can carry the pick into the crease. I would think the same logic applies to Goalie Interference?
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0 #18 AlfieforMayor11 2012-01-25 10:16
Quoting Tookie19:
After looking over the highlights I can see why the ref blew it down, Foligno' right skate is in the crease and gets tangled up with Smith, dragging him out of position with Foligno' momentum.

If this would have happened outside the crease, different story, but inside the crease, no no.

Hate this call all you want but it was a good call. And just like the crew on 1200 mentioned, it goes both ways, and they even mentioned one example, Sens Spezza had interfered with Reimer on a goal that should have been waved off but didnt. They mentioned the timing of it was bad cuz of all the other stuff happening...


I didn't like the call at the time of the play but after seeing it a few times this morning on the highlights I agree that the goal shouldnt have counted.

The non-goal isn't what cost us the game last night. It was yet another game where the Sens got off to a slow start. If we keep starting games like this we'll quickly find ourselves sliding down the standings.
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+4 #19 McLovin 2012-01-25 10:18
I agree with tookie (what!?!?). He does drag him with his skate. Its a 50/50 call, coulda gone either way. The fact that it was Tim 'Dickhead' Peel that made the call, makes it more suspicious though.

Rest up boys, games in hand and losing some points in hand is gonna make this a wild ride.
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-1 #20 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-01-25 10:18
@ The Apostle,

Guess I will have to exclude ! mark from my punctuation.

Did not realize that it carried so much shout clout ??
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0 #21 Tookie 2012-01-25 10:18
Quoting The Apostle:

I don't think Foligno made a conscious effort to interfere with the goaltender and surely he's not expected to move out of the way so the goalie can recover is he?


Yeah its a super tough call to make, refs could have easily gone the other way on this but, I think what you said is the reason the refs blew it down.

Foligno makes no attempt to get off the goalie, after his skate drgs him, Foligno just stands there, stands over the goalie and impedes the goalie' save process, which is interference.
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+2 #22 Tookie 2012-01-25 10:22
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:

The non-goal isn't what cost us the game last night. It was yet another game where the Sens got off to a slow start. If we keep starting games like this we'll quickly find ourselves sliding down the standings.


I agree, we might be hitting that mid season wall, I think the team needs this rest, I mean hell, they've been playing battling everygame and to a young squad it takes its toll on them, they are tired and it showed on that road trip.

Enjoy the festivities and re-energize, PMac will have them rdy for the 2nd half!
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0 #23 The Apostle 2012-01-25 10:29
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:
@ The Apostle,

Guess I will have to exclude ! mark from my punctuation.

Did not realize that it carried so much shout clout ??



I wouldn't lose it from here though, it's your signature move!!

it does feel good, i'll give you that.
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+1 #24 The Apostle 2012-01-25 10:31
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting The Apostle:

I don't think Foligno made a conscious effort to interfere with the goaltender and surely he's not expected to move out of the way so the goalie can recover is he?


Yeah its a super tough call to make, refs could have easily gone the other way on this but, I think what you said is the reason the refs blew it down.

Foligno makes no attempt to get off the goalie, after his skate drgs him, Foligno just stands there, stands over the goalie and impedes the goalie' save process, which is interference.



Being a new fan and all that jazz I still struggle with some of the rules, goalie interference being one of them - it just seems arbitrary when it's caled and when it isn't - if there was consistency from game to game it would be far more helpful for me

it's like the refs don't even care that I'm a newbie - bunch of savages
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0 #25 superjer 2012-01-25 10:35
I thought that Foligno play should have resulted in a goal. I haven't seen the replays this morning but it seemed like he tried to not crash into the goalie, he had the puck and brought it to the net hard and then Smith put up his arm (probably felt like he was going to get hit) and this is what caused him to be dragged out of the crease. Foligno had his lane (I guess his one skate went into the crease) but the goalie stuck out his arm.

Speaking of Smith, I thought he had a strong game - particularly in the second. The Sens could have walked out of the second with about 4 goals if not for Smith. Earlier in the month those nice deflection plays they were setting up were going in... not right now. That to me was the difference in this game.
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+1 #26 C 2012-01-25 10:36
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting The Apostle:

I don't think Foligno made a conscious effort to interfere with the goaltender and surely he's not expected to move out of the way so the goalie can recover is he?


Yeah its a super tough call to make, refs could have easily gone the other way on this but, I think what you said is the reason the refs blew it down.

Foligno makes no attempt to get off the goalie, after his skate drgs him, Foligno just stands there, stands over the goalie and impedes the goalie' save process, which is interference.


My only issue with this assessment is that Smith was able to make the save he was trying to make. It looked like he had no idea where the puck was, so he was natrually heading in that direction anyway. Foligno did not stop him from making the save, he did it himself. He didn't have to latch on to Foligno's leg either. And the interference penalty afterwards was just ridiculous
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0 #27 Sens of Peskyville 2012-01-25 10:48
Quoting C:
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting The Apostle:

I don't think Foligno made a conscious effort to interfere with the goaltender and surely he's not expected to move out of the way so the goalie can recover is he?


Yeah its a super tough call to make, refs could have easily gone the other way on this but, I think what you said is the reason the refs blew it down.

Foligno makes no attempt to get off the goalie, after his skate drgs him, Foligno just stands there, stands over the goalie and impedes the goalie' save process, which is interference.


My only issue with this assessment is that Smith was able to make the save he was trying to make. It looked like he had no idea where the puck was, so he was natrually heading in that direction anyway. Foligno did not stop him from making the save, he did it himself. He didn't have to latch on to Foligno's leg either. And the interference penalty afterwards was just ridiculous


Watching the last few games it almost seems like the refs are looking for ways to be biased against the Sens. A lot of rules in the NHL are subjective and rely on the refs perspective. Yet the refs seem inclined to lean against the Sens more often than not.

If that makes me sounds like bitchy, whiny Sens fan, so be it.
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0 #28 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-01-25 10:49
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:
@ The Apostle,

Guess I will have to exclude ! mark from my punctuation.

Did not realize that it carried so much shout clout ??



I wouldn't lose it from here though, it's your signature move!!

it does feel good, i'll give you that.


Never thought it was / is my signature move !

Will use it sparingly, where emphasis requires it .

Thanks for your input.
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0 #29 Andrews Theory 2012-01-25 10:54
Quoting McLovin:
I agree with tookie (what!?!?). He does drag him with his skate. Its a 50/50 call, coulda gone either way. The fact that it was Tim 'Dickhead' Peel that made the call, makes it more suspicious though.

Rest up boys, games in hand and losing some points in hand is gonna make this a wild ride.


he drags him with his skate because smith dives into foligno's skate. absurd... it was a bad call.

not one coyotes player on the ice nor the goalie was up in arms after they scored, they didn't even know it had been waived off.

Foligno has been a marked man ever since his dust up with crosby.
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+3 #30 Dorky 2012-01-25 11:02
"the refs have it in for us - it's a conspiracy and they're totally biased!"

This will make me puke if I hear it one more time. Good to see there are some reasonable fans here - don't want everyone to think our entire fan base is a bunch of whiners.

If you had the wrong angle on the foligno play, it looked like interference. If you had a good angle, you see there's no intent on Foligno's part AND Smith extended his arm, but still, Foligno stopped him from being able to set up for the rebound, making the call reasonable.

I love my Sens too, but you can't just call 'bias' every time a call doesn't go your way. Every fan base in the league at some point thinks they're being unfair targeted for some reason.
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0 #31 Floridasensfan 2012-01-25 11:02
I hope BM has a conversation about the refs, really he is the only one that has a remote chance of being heard.

On the other side I hope they all get some rest over the weekend and are fresh when it is over.

I have traveled lots out west and adjusting to the time is a killer, it is like 5 in the morning there and you are wide awake being 8 here, its a long day to start playing hockey 13 and 14 hours later and be going at it after midnight, that and back to back games of that.

Bring on the All Star weekend.
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+1 #32 SensChirp 2012-01-25 11:14
Borowiecki and Petersson back down in Binghamton over the All Star Break.
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0 #33 Sens of Peskyville 2012-01-25 11:17
Having managed to survive the late night game watching of the Sens on their West coast swing, I have to be thankful I'm not a Detroit Red Wings Fan. Those fans must go through this every week. I suppose its not too bad for them because (a) the wings win A LOT, and (b) most people in Detroit are unemployed.

Ok, that second point was a low blow, I'll admit ;-)
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-6 #34 James Wilson 2012-01-25 11:17
Pretty pathetic how you're all blaming the refs. The reality is sens have just been over achieving and they're about to come crashing back to the real world where theyre a bad squad with no chance of holding on to a playoff spot
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+5 #35 SensChirp 2012-01-25 11:18
Quoting James Wilson:
Pretty pathetic how you're all blaming the refs. The reality is sens have just been over achieving and they're about to come crashing back to the real world where theyre a bad squad with no chance of holding on to a playoff spot

Haha this comment should go over well. How did a Leafs fan find SensChirp anyway?
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0 #36 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-01-25 11:20
Quoting James Wilson:
Pretty pathetic how you're all blaming the refs. The reality is sens have just been over achieving and they're about to come crashing back to the real world where theyre a bad squad with no chance of holding on to a playoff spot


@ James Wilson,

Hope your team does not qualify, cause this team (Senators) will be one of the 8 teams to be in the playoffs !
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+2 #37 moneymike 2012-01-25 11:23
Quoting James Wilson:
Pretty pathetic how you're all blaming the refs. The reality is sens have just been over achieving and they're about to come crashing back to the real world where theyre a bad squad with no chance of holding on to a playoff spot


Maybe James. And maybe you have a tiny "SENSCHIRP READER!"
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0 #38 miguel 2012-01-25 11:32
Quoting Tookie19:
After looking over the highlights I can see why the ref blew it down, Foligno' right skate is in the crease and gets tangled up with Smith, dragging him out of position with Foligno' momentum.

If this would have happened outside the crease, different story, but inside the crease, no no.

Hate this call all you want but it was a good call. And just like the crew on 1200 mentioned, it goes both ways, and they even mentioned one example, Sens Spezza had interfered with Reimer on a goal that should have been waved off but didnt. They mentioned the timing of it was bad cuz of all the other stuff happening...

here is a shock,
Tookie siding with the brutal Refs, and going against all the other fans on this site...
Not that this would get a rise out of all us Sens fans who have had it with the Refs Vengance, for daring to be called out by PM...

It was a brutal call on top of about 8 others on that Ref vendeta road trip... a complete disgrace to the organization that not only stands for such BS but, protects it and encourages it for its own purposes
Just Disgraceful
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0 #39 DenisVial 2012-01-25 11:40
Quoting James Wilson:
Pretty pathetic how you're all blaming the refs. The reality is sens have just been over achieving and they're about to come crashing back to the real world where theyre a bad squad with no chance of holding on to a playoff spot


We all just dipped in to the big bag O Leaf's excuses and borrowed a few dumbass. What's your excuse going to be this year when the Leaf's finish ninth? Enjoy watching our Sens in April when your boys are golfing again. Maybe you could convince Burke to trade a few more first round picks so you can finish eigth and get smoked by Boston or New York. You suck!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
45 years and counting!
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0 #40 The Apostle 2012-01-25 11:41
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:
Quoting James Wilson:
Pretty pathetic how you're all blaming the refs. The reality is sens have just been over achieving and they're about to come crashing back to the real world where theyre a bad squad with no chance of holding on to a playoff spot


@ James Wilson,

Hope your team does not qualify, cause this team (Senators) will be one of the 8 teams to be in the playoffs !



now you could have used as many exclamation marks as you liked there

beat down that leaf fan!!

kapow!!!
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-5 #41 James Wilson 2012-01-25 11:42
I dont hate the Sens. I just think its funny when everyone is just ripping on the refs for making a correct call. Without having played 3-4 more games than everyone else Sens probably wouldn't even have a playoff spot and after Tim Thomas once again completely shuts down Sens like his hero Glenn Beck shuts down common sense you'll all find yourselves looking at a team that is going to finish the season in 9th or 10th and is back to square one of this "rebuild" without a high draft pick.
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-5 #42 James Wilson 2012-01-25 11:44
I dont really get why everyone thinks Im a Leafs fan because Im criticizing the Sens. For the record I'm not but it shows the serious little brother complex the fans of this franchise have developed. Is the only thing you can talk about the Leafs and the refs?
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+4 #43 Sens of Peskyville 2012-01-25 11:45
Quoting James Wilson:
I dont hate the Sens. I just think its funny when everyone is just ripping on the refs for making a correct call. Without having played 3-4 more games than everyone else Sens probably wouldn't even have a playoff spot and after Tim Thomas once again completely shuts down Sens like his hero Glenn Beck shuts down common sense you'll all find yourselves looking at a team that is going to finish the season in 9th or 10th and is back to square one of this "rebuild" without a high draft pick.


@James Leafs Suck!
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-1 #44 The Apostle 2012-01-25 11:46
Quoting miguel:

here is a shock,
Tookie siding with the brutal Refs, and going against all the other fans on this site...
Not that this would get a rise out of all us Sens fans who have had it with the Refs Vengance, for daring to be called out by PM...



miguel - try reading the other comments before launching into one of your tookie love/hate tirades - he is far from the only person on here saying that they can see why the goal was disallowed
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+1 #45 primetime83 2012-01-25 11:46
Quoting James Wilson:
I dont really get why everyone thinks Im a Leafs fan because Im criticizing the Sens. For the record I'm not but it shows the serious little brother complex the fans of this franchise have developed. Is the only thing you can talk about the Leafs and the refs?



This little brother complex applies to all fan bases, look at the Leafs and Habs when they lose a game
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+3 #46 jakester 2012-01-25 11:47
I guess TOOKIE showed his cousin Wilson a new site. Hell Tookie there is no way that what Foligno did was goaltender interference - and hell he shouldn't have gotten a 2 minute penalty for it. I'm starting to think that RINGUETTE is more your speed.
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+4 #47 anonymustache 2012-01-25 11:49
Quoting James Wilson:
I dont really get why everyone thinks Im a Leafs fan because Im criticizing the Sens. For the record I'm not but it shows the serious little brother complex the fans of this franchise have developed. Is the only thing you can talk about the Leafs and the refs?


Hey Wilson f*ck the Habs too!!!

Go Sens!
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+4 #48 spezzerman 2012-01-25 12:01
c'mon, any fan of any team would be pissed off if they got a call like that to cost them tying a game in the third when important points are on the line.

That play happens all the time and 9/10 it is a good goal. no point in dwelling on it but of course it's going to raise the ire of the fans and get commented on. What else are blog comment sections for?

I'm very curious to see if Kerry Fraser weighs in.
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+1 #49 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-01-25 12:02
I think the James Wilson is real;ly the "new handle" for our old buddy Fail4Nail ??

He sure writes like him.

Is that you Fail4Nail ??
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0 #50 miguel 2012-01-25 12:03
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting miguel:

here is a shock,
Tookie siding with the brutal Refs, and going against all the other fans on this site...
Not that this would get a rise out of all us Sens fans who have had it with the Refs Vengance, for daring to be called out by PM...



miguel - try reading the other comments before launching into one of your tookie love/hate tirades - he is far from the only person on here saying that they can see why the goal was disallowed

ok Apostle like I am to be surprised that Tookie takes this stand?
I challenge you to remember a similar call where it is late in the game, and a team scores the tying goal.
Where they not only waive it, but also give a penalty to the losing team.
I will guarentee that in that case it would be obvious that the player interfered "intentionally" with the goalie.
First of all there was absolutely no intent by Foligno, and if anyone, it was Smith who was driving Foligno as he comes in, and secondly, if there was clearly no intent (as was indicated by many reporters), then how can Foligno get the penalty?
I can clearly recall many times players driving the net, crashing the net with goalie, puck and all, and the goal still stands,
If is looks and smells like shit, then it probably is just that!
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0 #51 Sens1963 2012-01-25 12:05
Quoting Tookie19:
I didnt see the game, as I was at my own game, just heard after on the radio the play by play of the disallowed goal by Alfie... They seemed to say that Foligno had no where else to go, that to them this was more of just a hockey play gone bad.

On a funny note Potvin almost lost it on air, he is so unprofessional, screaming in his mic and saying the most upsurd things...

Tookie, I'll give you the benifit if the doubt here since you only heard and didnt see the play (however don't make absurd judgments on what you haven't seen). Firstly he didn't have anywhere to go as the defense rod him into the crease, and if it werent for the goalie coming out into his lane he wouldn't have even made contact. Incidental contact would possibly have negated the goal, but there wouldn't have been a penalty which put them down a man at such a crucial time in the game. Seriously BAD call.
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-1 #52 lawrencet 2012-01-25 12:06
considering the sens beat the leafs by spezza blatantly interfering with reimer i dont get the big stink
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+1 #53 miguel 2012-01-25 12:07
oh yah

Leafs Suck!!!
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0 #54 The Apostle 2012-01-25 12:19
Quoting miguel:

ok Apostle like I am to be surprised that Tookie takes this stand?


no, don't be surprised that tookie takes this stand because that's his default setting - but he isn't "taking a stand" against all the other people on here because there are those that agree with him. You can't just pretend that those posts aren't there.

this looks to be a classic call that splits the two groups of fans watching based on what colour jersey they are wearing. If Foligno had been Doan and Smith Anderson you can guarantee that most of the people on this board would be claiming it was a good call (just like the majority of Phoenix fans are, all 17 of them) - that's the mentality of most fans - just don't get over excited when some people rise above it and take a contrary view

i didn't like the call but can see why it was made, I agree that the additional penalty was unjustified - but this is nowhere near as bad as the penalty shot call against the kings.

and really saying there is clearly no intent because some sports reporters said so - stop reaching, if you don't think he had intent stand by it but don't use the most unreliable bunch of people in the entire world to back up your argument. Next you'll be telling me that you believe Andy Sutton elbowed Leopold in the head because you heard a reporter say it.

we can bitch about missed calls on this road trip all we want but the reality is that for too long the sens have been asking Anderson to bail them out and keep them in games because they have started slowly and too often we've been relying on great third periods to get us out of jams.

we are a much better team than I expected, but this isn't 2005-2007, we aren't good enough to get away with only playing 20 or 30 minutes a night. That's the real reason we are losing games, not the referees.
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-3 #55 lawrencet 2012-01-25 12:20
I dont understand why you guys feel the need to just rip on Leafs everytime someone makes a valid point. Can't you just discuss hockey in a non-bias way. The sens are having a great season. It's too bad they are probably going to crash and burn but I'm happy to say they have been great so far and hopefully will continue to play well. That being said I see real problems with just guaranteeting they will make the playioffs when their roster is pretty weak if you look at it and don't immediately inflate everyone's ability because he plays in Ottawa. Karlss
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+1 #56 Sens1963 2012-01-25 12:24
Quoting James Wilson:
Pretty pathetic how you're all blaming the refs. The reality is sens have just been over achieving and they're about to come crashing back to the real world where theyre a bad squad with no chance of holding on to a playoff spot


Hey Chirp.... You have a virus

(A Leaf fan complaining about someone else complaing about the officials... now that's rich LOL)
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+1 #57 Alcatraz 2012-01-25 12:26
Just in according to Big Bob

San Jose have placed Antero Nittimaki on waivers........

Should Ottawa take a chance?
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-2 #58 Tookie 2012-01-25 12:31
Quoting miguel:
Quoting Tookie19:
After looking over the highlights I can see why the ref blew it down, Foligno' right skate is in the crease and gets tangled up with Smith, dragging him out of position with Foligno' momentum.

If this would have happened outside the crease, different story, but inside the crease, no no.

Hate this call all you want but it was a good call. And just like the crew on 1200 mentioned, it goes both ways, and they even mentioned one example, Sens Spezza had interfered with Reimer on a goal that should have been waved off but didnt. They mentioned the timing of it was bad cuz of all the other stuff happening...

here is a shock,
Tookie siding with the brutal Refs, and going against all the other fans on this site...
Not that this would get a rise out of all us Sens fans who have had it with the Refs Vengance, for daring to be called out by PM...

It was a brutal call on top of about 8 others on that Ref vendeta road trip... a complete disgrace to the organization that not only stands for such BS but, protects it and encourages it for its own purposes
Just Disgraceful


Miguel, most people on here, well the respected ones anyways are siding with me, you and your hooligans of "conspiracy thoerists" can go jump off a bridge for all I care.

It wasnt a bad call, it was the right call to make, the timing of it was bad, but the Sens have been playing poorly the last 3 games or so. How many times did Korpikowski (yeah WHO?) burned Karlsson on the outside that game, like 3-4 times atleast...

Get over the refs already. Bunch of whiners!
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+1 #59 Sens1963 2012-01-25 12:33
Quoting lawrencet:
I dont understand why you guys feel the need to just rip on Leafs everytime someone makes a valid point. Can't you just discuss hockey in a non-bias way. The sens are having a great season. It's too bad they are probably going to crash and burn but I'm happy to say they have been great so far and hopefully will continue to play well. That being said I see real problems with just guaranteeting they will make the playioffs when their roster is pretty weak if you look at it and don't immediately inflate everyone's ability because he plays in Ottawa. Karlss


Weak roster my ass... the sens have more people contributing offensivly than the leafs do this year (check the stats) and they are younger and have a far better future with whats in the farm system. Are they going to make mistakes? Hell yea, they are young and it will happen The Leafs are having a great year, but the fact is that if it wasn't for two people on that team having career years the picture would be far different. What happens if one or both of them get injured in the back half?
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0 #60 DenisVial 2012-01-25 12:36
Quoting Alcatraz:
Just in according to Big Bob

San Jose have placed Antero Nittimaki on waivers........

Should Ottawa take a chance?


Why bother. 30 games to go after a week off for Anderson. He's probably going to play 26-28 of them anyway. If they aren't going to start Auld they can call up Lehner for a day or two when we play back to back games and put Auld in the press box.
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0 #61 Ryan 2012-01-25 12:38
Quoting Alcatraz:
Just in according to Big Bob

San Jose have placed Antero Nittimaki on waivers........

Should Ottawa take a chance?

Id say why not he'll be better than auld anyway. And I think his contract expires at the end of the year
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-2 #62 Tookie 2012-01-25 12:40
Quoting Sens1963:
Quoting Tookie19:
I didnt see the game, as I was at my own game, just heard after on the radio the play by play of the disallowed goal by Alfie... They seemed to say that Foligno had no where else to go, that to them this was more of just a hockey play gone bad.

On a funny note Potvin almost lost it on air, he is so unprofessional, screaming in his mic and saying the most upsurd things...

Tookie, I'll give you the benifit if the doubt here since you only heard and didnt see the play (however don't make absurd judgments on what you haven't seen). Firstly he didn't have anywhere to go as the defense rod him into the crease, and if it werent for the goalie coming out into his lane he wouldn't have even made contact. Incidental contact would possibly have negated the goal, but there wouldn't have been a penalty which put them down a man at such a crucial time in the game. Seriously BAD call.


I've seen the replays, maybe you should too...
Smith doesnt leave his crease, Foligno cuts across the crease and into Smith, thats not the issue, its after when Smith makes the first save on Foligno, he gets dragged by the momentum and instead of moving, Foligno stands over the goalie, skate between pads and all and impedes Smith' save process.

Its not the driving to the net that got called its his actions after the drive.
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+3 #63 The Apostle 2012-01-25 12:40
i'm not convinced Nittymaki makes it to us but I don't see the point in any case. I don't think it's a great move for eith Auld or Lehner. I know circumstances have changed somewhat since the start of the season and we would all like Auld to be better than he has been, but I'm happy with the way things are between the pipes at the moment

i could do with the sens not giving Anderson so much work every 1st period though
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+1 #64 Sensnation 2012-01-25 12:41
I've watched that replay countless times and Smith gets turned after he puts out his forearm to block Foligno. Refs are deciding games and have unfairly targeted Foligno and Karlsson this year in different ways.

The inconsistency from the refs and lack of public discourse by the league is really hurting the fans more than any Ovie All-Star snub! They don't have to fine or suspend refs, but some explanation of their POV would be nice. It's a fast game and shit happens but there is no room for unsubstantiated grudges.

Hopefully the boys can regroup and re-energize over the break and come back for a good and LONG end to the season! GO SENS GO!!!
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+1 #65 Tookie 2012-01-25 12:43
Quoting The Apostle:

we can bitch about missed calls on this road trip all we want but the reality is that for too long the sens have been asking Anderson to bail them out and keep them in games because they have started slowly and too often we've been relying on great third periods to get us out of jams.

we are a much better team than I expected, but this isn't 2005-2007, we aren't good enough to get away with only playing 20 or 30 minutes a night. That's the real reason we are losing games, not the referees.


Bang on bud!
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-1 #66 Timic 2012-01-25 12:46
Watched the game last night and was really pissed when the goal was disallowed but I thought it was the right call. I watched it again about ten times this morning. It was the right call. Foligno went well into the crease. He wasn't pushed there, nor was he completely boxed in there by the defense. If that kind of thing was allowed to be a goal in this league every team would have to keep five goaltenders on roster because of all the injuries. It is a good rule and was called correctly. It sucks that it wasn't a goal, but I have no issue with the officiating.
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-1 #67 Tookie 2012-01-25 12:46
Quoting Sens1963:
The Leafs are having a great year, but the fact is that if it wasn't for two people on that team having career years the picture would be far different. What happens if one or both of them get injured in the back half?


Well you can say that for Ottawa aswell, any team really.
What if Spezza goes down or Karlsson. You can bet the Sens start losing pretty fast.
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+2 #68 Sens1963 2012-01-25 12:49
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Sens1963:
Quoting Tookie19:
I didnt see the game, as I was at my own game, just heard after on the radio the play by play of the disallowed goal by Alfie... They seemed to say that Foligno had no where else to go, that to them this was more of just a hockey play gone bad.

On a funny note Potvin almost lost it on air, he is so unprofessional, screaming in his mic and saying the most upsurd things...

Tookie, I'll give you the benifit if the doubt here since you only heard and didnt see the play (however don't make absurd judgments on what you haven't seen). Firstly he didn't have anywhere to go as the defense rod him into the crease, and if it werent for the goalie coming out into his lane he wouldn't have even made contact. Incidental contact would possibly have negated the goal, but there wouldn't have been a penalty which put them down a man at such a crucial time in the game. Seriously BAD call.


I've seen the replays, maybe you should too...
Smith doesnt leave his crease, Foligno cuts across the crease and into Smith, thats not the issue, its after when Smith makes the first save on Foligno, he gets dragged by the momentum and instead of moving, Foligno stands over the goalie, skate between pads and all and impedes Smith' save process.

Its not the driving to the net that got called its his actions after the drive.

I'm not saying the goal should have counted as there was contact, but was it intentional, NO ( and the replay that shows it the clearest is the one that is straight on to him from the boards.... it clearly shows that his path was crossed as the goalie comes into it. He was trying to avoid, not make contact.... He comes out and makes contact then they get tied up. That's incidental. No goal, but no penalty). Anyways on to the next one, you can't change the past.
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-4 #69 lawrencet 2012-01-25 12:50
It's weird how people thinking Im a leafs fan just because pointing out something lacking with Sens. And as for "that if it wasn't for two people on that team having career years the picture would be far different." its not like the Sens without Spezza/Karlsson are doing anything special
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-2 #70 Tookie 2012-01-25 12:50
Quoting The Apostle:
i'm not convinced Nittymaki makes it to us but I don't see the point in any case. I don't think it's a great move for eith Auld or Lehner. I know circumstances have changed somewhat since the start of the season and we would all like Auld to be better than he has been, but I'm happy with the way things are between the pipes at the moment

i could do with the sens not giving Anderson so much work every 1st period though


Yeah I dont like it one bit, you need a solid backup, Anderson will just get injured or burned out if this keeps going on. He's already starting to look a bit tired, and I cant blame him one bit.

Why not try for Nitty or call up Lehner (he's sucking in the AHL right now.)
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-1 #71 Alcatraz 2012-01-25 12:54
Justa thought about resting Anderson:

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/most-games-played-in-one-season-by-nhl-goalies.html

Games Played by one goalie in one season

Basically if your name is not Martin Brodeur, Luongo or Kipper your looking at max 75 games played.

Only goalie to play more than 72 games and win the cup are Grant Fuhr (oilers - 87-88) and Brodeur (Devils)

Anderson has already played 47 games. with 30 left, unless we get a capable backup he will be looking at around 70-75 games.

Now I'm not syaing we will come close to winning the cup, but if we want to try and make any noise we need him to rest a little, and lehner is an option, but I'm not sold this year.

Gran Nitti give him 10 of final 30 games..(really dependent on our situation tho)

Anderson will be burnt by March at this pace, and a 6 day layoff for ASG wont really come in handy in April
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0 #72 RUSHRLZ 2012-01-25 12:56
The waiver wire works with the lowest team in the current standings that puts in a claim gets him correct?
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+1 #73 Sensnation 2012-01-25 12:57
Sens go on a little losing streak and Tookie dominates the board, what a surprise ...
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0 #74 SensChirp 2012-01-25 13:10
Can't see the Sens making a claim on Nittymaki. No interest in adding that contract.
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+2 #75 Colin 2012-01-25 13:18
Quoting Tookie19:

Miguel, most people on here, well the respected ones anyways are siding with me, you and your hooligans of "conspiracy thoerists" can go jump off a bridge for all I care.

Get over the refs already. Bunch of whiners!


You elitist bastard! Get over yourself already! Get up on your high horse and get going right out of town. Who are the "respected ones"? The ones you respect? The ones that agree with you? How do they become the "respected ones"? Are you determining the "respected ones"?

Most every person posting and lurking here is a Senators fan. Chirp does a great job creating a forum for Senators fans. Fans have varying degrees of passion, but the common factor is that they are fans. Whether or not they measure up to your ideals is neither here nor there. Constantly shitting on people for not having the same view as you is plain wrong.
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+2 #76 The Apostle 2012-01-25 13:21
Quoting Colin:
Constantly shitting on people for not having the same view as you is plain wrong.


agreed. regardless of who does it and what the opinion that you think is wrong is
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-4 #77 St Nick 2012-01-25 13:24
I hope Maclean has learned his lesson here & will keep his mouth shut in future. What did he think would happen if he told the media what a ref said? They will never trust him again & his team isn't about to get any favours. Hopefully it goes down as a rookie coach mistake & after the all-star game the refs will have forgotten about it & we all move forward. If not, the Sens could be screwed for yrs.
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0 #78 SensFanDan 2012-01-25 13:28
Anyone know of any rumours of which NHL alumni will be at the All Star fan fest this weekend? It would be good to have an idea of who would be there to bring some cards to be signed!
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0 #79 Sensnation 2012-01-25 13:29
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
The waiver wire works with the lowest team in the current standings that puts in a claim gets him correct?


This article answers your question as well as a few other waiver related ones. After Nov 1st, you are correct, before then it's based on previous season standings.
http://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-waiver-rules/
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+1 #80 RUSHRLZ 2012-01-25 13:35
@Sensnation - thanks!

Chirp, I have to disagree that we won't have interest. McLean makes it very apparent that the last thing he wants to do is have to put Auld in net, and burnout for Anderson is inevitable unless something changes!

The odds of him falling all the way to us is probably unlikely, I'm actually surprised San Jose couldn't flip him for a late round pick... I'd bet the odds are good though that we put in a claim.
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+1 #81 SensChirp 2012-01-25 13:46
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
@Sensnation - thanks!

Chirp, I have to disagree that we won't have interest. McLean makes it very apparent that the last thing he wants to do is have to put Auld in net, and burnout for Anderson is inevitable unless something changes!

The odds of him falling all the way to us is probably unlikely, I'm actually surprised San Jose couldn't flip him for a late round pick... I'd bet the odds are good though that we put in a claim.

Not sure I see the appeal. 30 games left. Anderson is going to play 20-25 of those anyway and will have to for the Sens to stay in playoff mix. Keep in mind, Niittymaki has not played a game this season. If the Sens feel they need more from the back up position, the move will be calling up Lehner from Bingo.

Organization has said that before.

Add to that the fact that the team is still working within the much talked about budget, and I just don't think the move makes sense. We'll see though.
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0 #82 miguel 2012-01-25 13:52
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting miguel:

ok Apostle like I am to be surprised that Tookie takes this stand?


no, don't be surprised that tookie takes this stand because that's his default setting - but he isn't "taking a stand" against all the other people on here because there are those that agree with him. You can't just pretend that those posts aren't there.

this looks to be a classic call that splits the two groups of fans watching based on what colour jersey they are wearing. If Foligno had been Doan and Smith Anderson you can guarantee that most of the people on this board would be claiming it was a good call (just like the majority of Phoenix fans are, all 17 of them) - that's the mentality of most fans - just don't get over excited when some people rise above it and take a contrary view

i didn't like the call but can see why it was made, I agree that the additional penalty was unjustified - but this is nowhere near as bad as the penalty shot call against the kings.

and really saying there is clearly no intent because some sports reporters said so - stop reaching, if you don't think he had intent stand by it but don't use the most unreliable bunch of people in the entire world to back up your argument. Next you'll be telling me that you believe Andy Sutton elbowed Leopold in the head because you heard a reporter say it.

we can bitch about missed calls on this road trip all we want but the reality is that for too long the sens have been asking Anderson to bail them out and keep them in games because they have started slowly and too often we've been relying on great third periods to get us out of jams.

we are a much better team than I expected, but this isn't 2005-2007, we aren't good enough to get away with only playing 20 or 30 minutes a night. That's the real reason we are losing games, not the referees.

Excellently stated!
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0 #83 miguel 2012-01-25 14:00
Quoting Sensnation:
Sens go on a little losing streak and Tookie dominates the board, what a surprise ...

I was just thinking the exact same thing... win a few, and he seems disinterested.. . we lose a few, and he has every opinion on what the Sens should do (ie finish bottom 5 for the next 3 years), and how us Sens fans are too biased... interesting isn't it
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+1 #84 miguel 2012-01-25 14:05
Quoting Colin:
Quoting Tookie19:

Miguel, most people on here, well the respected ones anyways are siding with me, you and your hooligans of "conspiracy thoerists" can go jump off a bridge for all I care.

Get over the refs already. Bunch of whiners!


You elitist bastard! Get over yourself already! Get up on your high horse and get going right out of town. Who are the "respected ones"? The ones you respect? The ones that agree with you? How do they become the "respected ones"? Are you determining the "respected ones"?

Most every person posting and lurking here is a Senators fan. Chirp does a great job creating a forum for Senators fans. Fans have varying degrees of passion, but the common factor is that they are fans. Whether or not they measure up to your ideals is neither here nor there. Constantly shitting on people for not having the same view as you is plain wrong.

Very well summed up Colin...
Am I biased... absolutely I love the Sens, but am I a whinner b/c I feel we have been wronged by the refs in a few bad games... I don't thinks so, I think it was some very bad calls... agree with it or don't as you wish, it is only my opinion
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-2 #85 boom 2012-01-25 14:06
Quoting miguel:
Quoting Sensnation:
Sens go on a little losing streak and Tookie dominates the board, what a surprise ...

I was just thinking the exact same thing... win a few, and he seems disinterested... we lose a few, and he has every opinion on what the Sens should do (ie finish bottom 5 for the next 3 years), and how us Sens fans are too biased... interesting isn't it

Well, if you were both thinking it, it must be right eh?
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0 #86 conservativeHippie 2012-01-25 14:08
Haven't seen anyone discuss it yet, but does anyone think KK65 is injured, or worse, it gunshy now?

I was at the game (Jets) when he got plastered by Evander Kane. He looked hurt at the time, but came back after a little bit. But, I just can't help but feel that he is either nursing an injury or he is now afraid of getting creamed again.

Has anyone else noticed a significant drop in pressure from him?
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-1 #87 miguel 2012-01-25 14:10
Quoting boom:
Quoting miguel:
Quoting Sensnation:
Sens go on a little losing streak and Tookie dominates the board, what a surprise ...

I was just thinking the exact same thing... win a few, and he seems disinterested... we lose a few, and he has every opinion on what the Sens should do (ie finish bottom 5 for the next 3 years), and how us Sens fans are too biased... interesting isn't it

Well, if you were both thinking it, it must be right eh?


Ok sounds fine to me
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+1 #88 boom 2012-01-25 14:13
Quoting miguel:
Quoting boom:
Quoting miguel:
Quoting Sensnation:
Sens go on a little losing streak and Tookie dominates the board, what a surprise ...

I was just thinking the exact same thing... win a few, and he seems disinterested... we lose a few, and he has every opinion on what the Sens should do (ie finish bottom 5 for the next 3 years), and how us Sens fans are too biased... interesting isn't it

Well, if you were both thinking it, it must be right eh?


Ok sounds fine to me

The difference between you and Tookie? Tookie would have grasped the sarcasm...
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0 #89 Senator Stanley 2012-01-25 14:14
Quoting miguel:
Quoting Tookie19:
After looking over the highlights I can see why the ref blew it down, Foligno' right skate is in the crease and gets tangled up with Smith, dragging him out of position with Foligno' momentum.

If this would have happened outside the crease, different story, but inside the crease, no no.

Hate this call all you want but it was a good call. And just like the crew on 1200 mentioned, it goes both ways, and they even mentioned one example, Sens Spezza had interfered with Reimer on a goal that should have been waved off but didnt. They mentioned the timing of it was bad cuz of all the other stuff happening...

here is a shock,
Tookie siding with the brutal Refs, and going against all the other fans on this site...
Not that this would get a rise out of all us Sens fans who have had it with the Refs Vengance, for daring to be called out by PM...

It was a brutal call on top of about 8 others on that Ref vendeta road trip... a complete disgrace to the organization that not only stands for such BS but, protects it and encourages it for its own purposes
Just Disgraceful


Miguel can you make one post without involving the word Tookie?
I agree with Tookie on the call that the goal should have been waved off. Please stop using "all the other fans on this site" as in most cases I agree with Tookie over you. Please take your Tookie bashing crusade over to the forum and leave the comment thread to Sens fans that enjoy constructive two way banter.

As for the refs, the Phillips glove on puck in the crease and Karlsson getting tripped (diving) were both kinda BS.
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+1 #90 Alcatraz 2012-01-25 14:14
I just don't see any other goalie becoming available on the market that would fit our needs more so than Nitti

Pro rated we are looking at about 1 mill left on the books for this year ($2 mill contract)

Auld clearly isn't working, and Maclean has no trust in him what so ever. Anderson has already played in 47 of our 52 games. Which is on pace for 74 games. (keep in mind at the beginning of the eyar when Anderson struggled didn't Maclean start Auld in 2-3 games in a row?

Anyways I was a staunch supporter of simply calling up lehner near the end of the season, bu that was because that was the best alternative option to Auld on the market. I would much prefer Nitti sitting on the bench for us here on out
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0 #91 miguel 2012-01-25 14:17
Quoting boom:
Quoting miguel:
Quoting boom:
Quoting miguel:
Quoting Sensnation:
Sens go on a little losing streak and Tookie dominates the board, what a surprise ...

I was just thinking the exact same thing... win a few, and he seems disinterested... we lose a few, and he has every opinion on what the Sens should do (ie finish bottom 5 for the next 3 years), and how us Sens fans are too biased... interesting isn't it

Well, if you were both thinking it, it must be right eh?


Ok sounds fine to me

The difference between you and Tookie? Tookie would have grasped the sarcasm...


No, the difference is that I chose not to see your sarcasm and instead raise you an agreement!
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0 #92 Tookie 2012-01-25 14:20
@ Colin Leafs suck
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+1 #93 Tookie 2012-01-25 14:22
Quoting miguel:
Quoting Sensnation:
Sens go on a little losing streak and Tookie dominates the board, what a surprise ...

I was just thinking the exact same thing... win a few, and he seems disinterested... we lose a few, and he has every opinion on what the Sens should do (ie finish bottom 5 for the next 3 years), and how us Sens fans are too biased... interesting isn't it


I havent said anything about the Sens bottoming out the last 3 games, man you do like to whine alot tho, I gave an opinion on the disallwoed goal which many seem to agree with and I get blasted for being a Leafs fan, lol...

You people really need to grow up...
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0 #94 miguel 2012-01-25 14:25
@ Senator Stanley

Re post #889
Well good for you, and you have every right to agree with whomever you wish... I think "some people" choose to come here and get a rise out of people, and if/when the do I choose to call them out... if you do not like my comments... please just ignore them in the future, and I encourage you to only read the ones you like...
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0 #95 Tookie 2012-01-25 14:26
Quoting Alcatraz:
Anyways I was a staunch supporter of simply calling up lehner near the end of the season, bu that was because that was the best alternative option to Auld on the market. I would much prefer Nitti sitting on the bench for us here on out


I'm on the Nitty bandwagon!
This can only help our club, we need a backup that can support Anderson when he needs rest!
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0 #96 Alcatraz 2012-01-25 14:29
One final thought

Auld:
OCT: GP=3 GS=2 TP=5
NOV: GP=3 GS=1 TP=8
DEC: GP=4 GS=3 TP=9
JAN: GP=1 GS=0 TP=1
TTL: GP=11 GS=6 TP=23

Reference ottawa has played 52 games for 156 periods, and Auld has played a grand total of 23/156 periods.

More alarming games he started:
Was=2-1L
PHI=7-2L (pulled after one)
Van=2-1OTL
NJ=5-4OTL
Pitt=6-4W
Cal=4-3W (pulled after one)

So he has only finished 4/6 games. and he has given ottawa a chance to win only 2 games out of the 6 he started (ironically we lost both) his only win, came with us scoring 6 and needing 5 to win

in short we need a new backup to ease anderson
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0 #97 miguel 2012-01-25 14:31
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting miguel:
Quoting Sensnation:
Sens go on a little losing streak and Tookie dominates the board, what a surprise ...

I was just thinking the exact same thing... win a few, and he seems disinterested... we lose a few, and he has every opinion on what the Sens should do (ie finish bottom 5 for the next 3 years), and how us Sens fans are too biased... interesting isn't it


I havent said anything about the Sens bottoming out the last 3 games, man you do like to whine alot tho, I gave an opinion on the disallwoed goal which many seem to agree with and I get blasted for being a Leafs fan, lol...

You people really need to grow up...


I will turn the other cheek
Leaf fans Suck!!!
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0 #98 RUSHRLZ 2012-01-25 14:36
Quoting conservativeHippie:
Haven't seen anyone discuss it yet, but does anyone think KK65 is injured, or worse, it gunshy now?

I was at the game (Jets) when he got plastered by Evander Kane. He looked hurt at the time, but came back after a little bit. But, I just can't help but feel that he is either nursing an injury or he is now afraid of getting creamed again.

Has anyone else noticed a significant drop in pressure from him?


Scary to think that something is up, but did you see him interviewed between periods last night? He struck me as looking totally sad / uninterested and it hit me immediately like "UH OH".

Maybe he is wiped out and will benefit from the a more relaxed schedule the next little bit? Maybe there is something going on off the ice or injury-wise? I don't know but it set off my spider senses, hopefully everything is ok with him.
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0 #99 darthsens911 2012-01-25 14:40
Anyone wanna play the last regular season day of Jan for chirpers hockey? Lets try to get some chemistry before the playoffs for the month. Message me to let me know you wanna play. PSN name same as here.. darthsens911.
Cheers
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-1 #100 miguel 2012-01-25 14:44
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
Quoting conservativeHippie:
Haven't seen anyone discuss it yet, but does anyone think KK65 is injured, or worse, it gunshy now?

I was at the game (Jets) when he got plastered by Evander Kane. He looked hurt at the time, but came back after a little bit. But, I just can't help but feel that he is either nursing an injury or he is now afraid of getting creamed again.

Has anyone else noticed a significant drop in pressure from him?


Scary to think that something is up, but did you see him interviewed between periods last night? He struck me as looking totally sad / uninterested and it hit me immediately like "UH OH".

Maybe he is wiped out and will benefit from the a more relaxed schedule the next little bit? Maybe there is something going on off the ice or injury-wise? I don't know but it set off my spider senses, hopefully everything is ok with him.

Have to agree on this, and think we can add a few more players in that regard as well.
Zack Smith, has not looked the same since being banged up in the San Jose game,
Kyle Turris' game has slid lately, but that may be due to no training camp, and conditioning may be down after all these games he has been thrust into.
Interesting to me is the "old man" Alfie, who you would think would be worn down, has had quite the spring in his feet, and hope this means we can stop with the retirement talk for a while... would love for him to come back for another year at least
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0 #101 SensChirp 2012-01-25 14:47
Quoting darthsens911:
Anyone wanna play the last regular season day of Jan for chirpers hockey? Lets try to get some chemistry before the playoffs for the month. Message me to let me know you wanna play. PSN name same as here.. darthsens911.
Cheers

How's my team doing anyway? Do I need to make any deadline deals??
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0 #102 Sensnation 2012-01-25 14:47
Quoting Alcatraz:
One final thought

Auld:
OCT: GP=3 GS=2 TP=5
NOV: GP=3 GS=1 TP=8
DEC: GP=4 GS=3 TP=9
JAN: GP=1 GS=0 TP=1
TTL: GP=11 GS=6 TP=23

Reference ottawa has played 52 games for 156 periods, and Auld has played a grand total of 23/156 periods.

More alarming games he started:
Was=2-1L
PHI=7-2L (pulled after one)
Van=2-1OTL
NJ=5-4OTL
Pitt=6-4W
Cal=4-3W (pulled after one)

So he has only finished 4/6 games. and he has given ottawa a chance to win only 2 games out of the 6 he started (ironically we lost both) his only win, came with us scoring 6 and needing 5 to win

in short we need a new backup to ease anderson


I agree that there's no denying Auld has been terrible and not even serviceable as a backup this year, but it would only make sense to sign Nittymaki if we were to turn around and waive Auld immediately.

Also Nitty has not played an NHL game this year and has become rather injury prone. His save percentage leaves a lot to be desired as well, especially given the quality team he played on last year.

I'd rather call Lehner up for the 5 games we need a change of pace starter.
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+2 #103 Tookie 2012-01-25 14:56
Quoting miguel:
Kyle Turris' game has slid lately, but that may be due to no training camp, and conditioning may be down after all these games he has been thrust into.


This is too funny.

I say Turris has a bad game I get blasted by the Sens police, then you turn around and say the same, lol.

Your my hero!
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+1 #104 miguel 2012-01-25 15:08
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting miguel:
Kyle Turris' game has slid lately, but that may be due to no training camp, and conditioning may be down after all these games he has been thrust into.


This is too funny.

I say Turris has a bad game I get blasted by the Sens police, then you turn around and say the same, lol.

Your my hero!


Yes his game was amazing in the beginning, it has slid somewhat lately, but when you take into account, he is our youngest forward, who did not benefit from a full training camp, and that they just finished many road games in too few nights, it would be understandable.
I still regard him as one of our brightest stars in the future, and before you comment on it, I was wrong about Turris before the trade, he is much better than I had imagined.
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0 #105 Mr Hockey 2012-01-25 15:26
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting darthsens911:
Anyone wanna play the last regular season day of Jan for chirpers hockey? Lets try to get some chemistry before the playoffs for the month. Message me to let me know you wanna play. PSN name same as here.. darthsens911.
Cheers

How's my team doing anyway? Do I need to make any deadline deals??


We're definetly sellers at this point.
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0 #106 Tookie 2012-01-25 15:33
Quoting Mr Hockey:
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting darthsens911:
Anyone wanna play the last regular season day of Jan for chirpers hockey? Lets try to get some chemistry before the playoffs for the month. Message me to let me know you wanna play. PSN name same as here.. darthsens911.
Cheers

How's my team doing anyway? Do I need to make any deadline deals??


We're definetly sellers at this point.


Sounds like you need a hand, I'm the best at NHL 2012! (sure your heard that a million times!)
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+1 #107 Alfie4Life 2012-01-25 16:13
As much as i personally disagree with the referees, it's in the past now, let's not handle this like leafs fans would. After the allstar break is when games really start to matter, so lets show the world that the sens are for real! GO SENS GO!
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0 #108 Senator Stanley 2012-01-25 16:19
Quoting miguel:
@ Senator Stanley

Re post #889
Well good for you, and you have every right to agree with whomever you wish... I think "some people" choose to come here and get a rise out of people, and if/when the do I choose to call them out... if you do not like my comments... please just ignore them in the future, and I encourage you to only read the ones you like...


I just want to read good quality hockey arguments and not have to listen to the two of you and your "man love" for each other.
I use to read Sens Chirp everyday and find I am reading the comment section less and less because it is being overtaken by people that are more interested in personal attacks.
Dont you think that I have a right to read about the Senators and their players on a forum that is dedicated to them?
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0 #109 Tookie 2012-01-25 16:19
Quoting Alfie4Life:
As much as i personally disagree with the referees, it's in the past now, let's not handle this like leafs fans would. After the allstar break is when games really start to matter, so lets show the world that the sens are for real! GO SENS GO!


100%

They need the short break, its a fun time, a time to let loose.
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0 #110 spezzerman 2012-01-25 16:21
I imagine the Sens will most certainly take a crack at Antero N. I think he could potentially be the best goalie available at the insignificant cost it would be to acquire him. All you're doing is giving yourself one more option before you would have to resort to Lehner. if its me, im all over this. my guess he gets picked up before the Sens get their shot.
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+1 #111 Sandy 2012-01-25 16:25
Quoting James Wilson:
I dont really get why everyone thinks Im a Leafs fan because Im criticizing the Sens. For the record I'm not but it shows the serious little brother complex the fans of this franchise have developed. Is the only thing you can talk about the Leafs and the refs?



Because your comments sound EXACTLY like something a Leaf fan would say...

This team went in January so far 8-4-1. When we were discussing the January schedule on this site in late December, we were wondering how they would even win 2 games -- and they won 8.

They have 30 games left. If they even go .500 over that period, it gets them 90 pts.... by the way 93 pts was 8th place last season. So they will be close and most likely will not remain tied for 5th.

But they finish where they finish... they have had a very good season overall.. and this team thumbed their noses at all of the so-called experts that picked them to finish deadlast in the league.

Last season Sens ended with 32 wins... so far they have 27... so a much better season.. with a younger and less experienced team.
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+2 #112 RUSHRLZ 2012-01-25 16:31
Quoting Senator Stanley:

I use to read Sens Chirp everyday and find I am reading the comment section less and less because it is being overtaken by people that are more interested in personal attacks.


Come on man! First off this is the Internet and such things are not only to be expected but are inevitable. Besides that Chirp's posts here are obviously excellent and the dialogue, variety and style of forum contributors is golden as well. It's a good thing that we have a group of strongly opinioned people and with different takes on the team.

Man up, don't take things personally and enjoy the things here that you DO find enjoyable, brush off the rest.
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0 #113 darthsens911 2012-01-25 16:32
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting darthsens911:
Anyone wanna play the last regular season day of Jan for chirpers hockey? Lets try to get some chemistry before the playoffs for the month. Message me to let me know you wanna play. PSN name same as here.. darthsens911.
Cheers

How's my team doing anyway? Do I need to make any deadline deals??


4-7-0 so far

Definately need some acquisitions. :)
The way NHL 12 has set up the online play an outside source of setting up times for games. It has been hard to co-ordinate so far... We have 11 players but never seem to get more than 2 or 3 on at the same time to get some flow going. I think a schedule will be the way to go for next month. It's still fun none the less. :)

@tookie. join us... we could use the best ever... :)
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0 #114 spezzerman 2012-01-25 16:47
the way it is shaping up, the Sens have to finish ahead of one of either
Toronto
Washington/Florida
New Jersey

Winnipeg and Tampa are outside chances but I think it takes a miraculous push from them at this point.

Ottawa is now past the worst part of their schedule and are in good enough shape heading down the stretch. I like our chances.

this is a young team and the young guys couldn't handle the western road trip and burnt out basically. They will be an energized bunch and will have an opportunity to make a huge statement against the Bruins to close out the road stretch.

Considering the leafs have to play a home and home against the pens and the Devils have an incredibly tough stretch of games for two weeks after the ASG, the sens should be able to maintain their position while other teams catch up to their games in hand. Go Sens Go!

FYI I am sure everyone saw it but just in case, some last minute all star weekend tickets went on sale a few hours ago. promo code is 2012NHLALLSTAR

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0 #115 Tookie 2012-01-25 16:48
Quoting darthsens911:
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting darthsens911:
Anyone wanna play the last regular season day of Jan for chirpers hockey? Lets try to get some chemistry before the playoffs for the month. Message me to let me know you wanna play. PSN name same as here.. darthsens911.
Cheers

How's my team doing anyway? Do I need to make any deadline deals??


4-7-0 so far

Definately need some acquisitions. :)
The way NHL 12 has set up the online play an outside source of setting up times for games. It has been hard to co-ordinate so far... We have 11 players but never seem to get more than 2 or 3 on at the same time to get some flow going. I think a schedule will be the way to go for next month. It's still fun none the less. :)

@tookie. join us... we could use the best ever... :)


Ok no worries, I'll check you out tonight, also I'll check out the EASHL site and join the "Chripers", nice!
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+1 #116 Sandy 2012-01-25 16:58
I think the Leafs have a really tough Feb and Mar overall.. not sure about NJ.. The Pens will finish ahead of the Sens. Getting Letang back for them has made all the difference.. I don't think they have lost a game since he came back. The Sens have a more favorable Feb with most games at home BUT they have to take advantage of that and gain more ground on those teams behind them.

I just want the Sens to play good hockey down the stretch and not 'sell the farm' at the deadline for a quick fix. Play to the best of their abilities and finish where they finish.

I'm really looking forward to the All-Star weekend... I think Greening or Karlsson has a chance at the fastest skater in the Skills as Greening won the Sens Skills with 13.4 sec while Karlsson has 13.6. The NHL skills last year was won by Grabner at 14.2... not even close.
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+2 #117 DenisVial 2012-01-25 17:35
30 games to go and I'm sure nobody wants to play us in the first round. We have nothing to lose and a young and hungry team with a great leader in Alfie. Regardless of the last 3 games it's been a fun ride and it's not over yet. Go Sens go!
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+1 #118 darthsens911 2012-01-25 19:08
Lets try for 8pm est for a chirpers game or two. See ya there. :)
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0 #119 Canucnik 2012-01-25 20:28
"There are some people who, if they don't already know, ya can't tell 'em!" Yogi Berra talking about the Tookie 19!
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