Here we are just ten games into the Kyle Turris era in Ottawa and public opinion seems to be changing.
Kyle Turris has been excellent since his arrival and the team is winning with him in the line up. Through 10 games, Turris has helped stabilize the Sens second line and given Paul MacLean two legitimate scoring threats. For a guy that missed training camp, Turris really hasn’t missed a step and already seems to be finding chemistry with Daniel Alfredsson.
Turris has registered one goal and six assists and an impressive +8 rating through his first ten games. During four games in the month of January, Turris has averaged nearly 18 minutes a game and is a +4. He even dropped the gloves for just the second time in his career during a weekend tussle with Daniel Briere.
I think everyone knew about the offensive abilities of the 3rd overall pick in the 2007 draft but what has surprised me is just how good Turris is away from the puck. You can certainly see how playing under a strong defensive system in Phoenix has helped define his two-way game.
Obviously this is not the type of trade you can properly analyze after just ten games.
Both Turris and Rundblad have high ceilings so it’s far too early to declare a winner on this one. But the fact is, right now, the Sens are a better team with Turris in the line up. They've posted a 7-1-2 record since the deal while in Phoenix, David Rundblad has played just one game and is likely destined for a stint in the AHL.
So far, so good for the Ottawa Senators.
- ESPN released their weekly power rankings and the Sens have moved up more than any other team. Ottawa was in 20th last week and have moved to 10th after an impressive week. Now if only they could get a little bit of love from the guys over at TSN.
- Full day off for the Sens today after a busy weekend. Ottawa is back on the ice for a morning skate tomorrow in Pittsburgh.
- Craig Anderson was named the NHL’s third star this week after an impressive 3-0-1 week.
Hockey in the south where there is no cold = ruining players' lives since 19__
I thought Turris had 9 PTs as well but how come everywhere I check he's only been given credit
for 1 goal and 6 assists?
Hmm, thanks for pointing that out. Not sure why I thought 9 points but stats show 1G 6A. Thanks for the correction.
It's paid obvious short term dividends for the Sens but Phoenix's return has yet to be felt. I'm pleased with the current state of affairs though.
Maybe the sign of a truly equitable trade is that it leaves you feeling neutral about it.
NHL.com actually gave both Karlsson, and Anderson a nod last night where as the other day with a win on Jan 2 it wasn't even on the list at the side of the main page.
Has there been any rumblings about the extension of our young all-star? Seems like a mistake in hindsight that he wasn't extended this summer like many other players his age/skill level. If he continues on pace and puts up 70+ points Ottawa is going to feel it in the pocket book.
In regards to Turris though I've only seen flashes of it, but it nice to have another center other then Spezza who is a true playmaker. There has already been quite a few plays where Turris has reminded me of Jason in good/bad ways. You could see yesterday against Philly he tried a spin move 2-3 times with it failing on the first two attempts. As Ottawa fans we watched Spezza do a ton of stupid things over the years, but when they work they are awesome. I believe Turris will be given some slack on that front as he matures in the league.
"just ask chicago, they wish they could have all of byfuglien, niemi, ladd and versteeg back. they did the same as you guys are proposing: went and got hired help, not drafted help and it screwed them right after their cup win."
ummm- you've heard of the cap right?
yea i have, but a major reason they got laced with cap issues is because they signed bryan campbell and hossa to those crazy contracts. hossa you cant complain much about, but campbell really put them in a fix because they already had keith and seabrook. they very easily could have kept byfuglien atleast if they didnt have one of those contracts. he was a major factor in them winning the cup.
if they dont ship those guys, they definitely would have repeated last year.
Chicago aint scerwed? Sure they lost a ton of players but they did WIN the Cup...thats all that matters...
They are doing pretty well last time I checked!
Asked this yesterday but no answer yet. Is z-bad able to come
Back to the nhl if murray calls him? The boards were talking
About how murray is probably going to get him back on the
Team before the end of jan. Is that possible and if so are u hearing
Anything?
Time to get you some new specs, been on the last 3-4 days...
Bottom line: We now have a 22 year old centre with high-end skill to play behind Spezza.
Hey Took, bet you never thought you'd be a celebrity...
Based on the issues the Pens are having, I wouldn't be surprised to see them go after Brule.
Greening Speeza Michalek
Petersson Turris Alfie
Folingo Smith Neil
Condra Kono Butler
Chicago is doing ok, but Sharp is now sidelined 3-4 weeks with upper body injury. Not good news for them.
I like what I see from Turris so far - he seems to be getting more comfortable out there with each game. What I really like is how it lets us put out a stronger, more balanced top 3 lines with Smith and Foligno on the 3rd, even though I wouldn't mind seeing Daugavin on the 2nd instead of Condra, but I digress.
However, I have not seen that quick and wicked snap shot everyone was talking about from Turris. Seems to me he double clutches before snapping off his shot from the slot. Just something I noticed, any else notice this?
Yeah Chicago's doing alright. They're only 2 points out of 1st in an extremely difficult western conference....
Yeah, I have noticed that a bit. I'm hoping as he gains confidence and his timing catches up conditioning wise the goals will come.
Regardless, I was and remain really excited about this pick up.
Combine the loss of one of our top prospects with the fact that all most of us had heard about Turris was negative because of the Phoenix hold out and you have a recipe for a fanbase being pissed at the move. Especially in the early knee jerk moments.
There is also the fact that it was just surprising from Murray to pull the trigger on something so substantial. Yes he had moved big players before but we all knew that they were coming (Meszaros, Heatley, Fisher, Kelly). Those were all trades that he had to make because of circumstances - the Turris/Rundblad trade was a choice.
There were those at the time assuming that any trade of a prospect or pick goes aginst the rebuild. This mentality ignored the fact that Turris became the youngest foward on the NHL roster when he joined the club. It isn't like he is 28 or 29.
I was as surprised as most when the trade happened, simply because I didn't think the organisation would be prepared to let Rundblad go, but I've liked what I have seen from the 10 games of Turris more than the 20+ of Rundblad.
The better play of Gonchar, Lee and Kuba, the continued excellence of Karlsson and the frankly astonishing strides in Cowen's game made Rundblad expendable and when the chance came to get somebody who could fill the glaring need at 2C and, at the same time, take some of the pressure off Zibanejad and Da Costa in the short term I am glad Murray and MacLean took it.
The great thing is that we don't need Turris to prove that he is the answer at 2C straight away, we just need him to show that he could be. These 10 games have been a great start to that process.
I thought the Foligno-Smith-N eil line looked really good, until they put Butler on the line and then it looked awesome. Obviously they went back to Neil in the final minute for his defense, but Butler is definitely doing what he can to earn more offensive playing time.
Turris has got about 150 games under his belt with about 50 points Spezza at 150 games was a point a game player who gave the puck away every second shift,these guys are two very different players it wasn't until the last two seasons that Spezza even knew what back check meant,Turris has shown in his first ten games here that he is very responsible in his own end and has offensive potential I personally think he is gonna be what we expected Fisher to be for all those years I love Turris and Spezza and hope they can both be top six forwards for our team for a long long time to come and I still say DON"T change a frickin thing until we're forced to
I also like that he isn't worried about putting any people in any situation. Konopka on a 4 on 4 in over time for example, Smith on the PP, Karlsson on the PK.
I'm sure some of the players have learned more in the half season under him than in the previous 2 years.
I don't want to get carried away but I think MacLean is building a complete team.
Konopka in OT and Karlsson on the PK is something I dont want to see often, there was probably circumstances out of his control for them to be out there in those situations.
His biggest strength is everyone knows what their role is at any given time and this is a direct result of superior communication and a team full of players that clearly have the utmost respect for their coach.
http://tsn.ca/fantasy_news/rankings/nhl/
I agree it shouldn't be the norm but I would prefer we investigate which players can be used in which situations rather than take the Paddock approach of just riding Alfie into the ice every game.
A Train: Turris is one of the most self-confident young players in the league that's what makes him one of the best at both ends of the rink, he can play vs anyone and with Alfie he does. That's what was getting to Briere on Saturday.
David Rundblad, by the time he's ready for prime time in two to three years, will be and would have been unafordable for us. "Karl" and Cowen are going to hoover up all the big cash and they should. The only thing that can go wrong is if we don't continue to develop our young defencemen and hang on to the "old" guys too long...it may happen...exampl e Filip Kuba???
I don't think Karlsson gets enough credit for how much his defensive play has improved. He has been alot better in his own zone lately. I still think he gets beat wide too often, seems to have trouble turning to the outside, and loses his man.(which is strange for such a good skater)
Apart from that, I think he has made great strides, and I think his plus minus reflects that.
Can never give the Sens credit where it's due, but then again it's all put together by that idiot Cullen....
Yeah just saw that.. a better winning streak.. and oh they said Sens don't have any injuries.
Just goes to show that those media folk in Toronto know very little about Ottawa.
Bad, eh?
Out of all the prospects in the system, I see Silfverberg being the guy to find a spot in the roster next year. Does anyone have other thoughts?
I don't know too much about Silfverberg but the organization has been praising him for a while and really want him to play in the NHL as soon as possible. I imagine a spot next to Turris is planned for him next year. I hope the Sens stand pat and keep this roster together for the most part. Injuries are bound to happen and we know that this group can adapt to whomever is out of the lineup
where did you hear that from? Who for who do you think?
Is this something that is easy to improve on?
That's the dumbest thing I've read all day next to....Quoting db7568:
Brutal joke my friend and some of us clowns don't even get it apparantly! Go sens go! Turris >Rundblad
Pretty sure at least a few of those guys are wingers. And Z is the only one who's even sniffed the NHL. You may "never" be convinced this was a good trade but you may want to take a closer look at your reasons why.
that's okay cuz in my eyes, you will never be considered a remotely educated hockey fan
Zbad played on the wing for team Sweden and I expect him to play on the wing with the Sens. The Swedish coach said that the reason they moved him to the wing is that he is very aggressive on the wing and passive at centre. If I remember correctly, he was just like that in his 9 games with the Sens.
Great point to bring up and another side benefit to the Turris trade. They want Z to be top 6 and the wing is the place for him, maybe alongside Turris next year.
he's been good, and especially has been good with karlsson. both of them have had good chemistry together.
im just sayin it would be a huge risk to pair karlsson with a new defenceman next season and for some reason cannot garner the same type of game he did with kuba.
i wouldnt do kuba for more than ~3.2 a yr. keep in mind he is 35.
but his stock has risen.
its hard to find good two way defencemen in the league. hes proven to be an invaluable asset so far.
Next year it would set us up for something like:
Ottawa:
FORWARDS
Zibanejad ($1.775m)/ Spezza ($7.000m) / Michalek ($4.333m)
Silfverberg($0. 900m)/Turris ($1.400m)/Alfre dsson ($4.875m)
Foligno ($2.000m) / Smith ($0.700m) / Condra ($0.625m)
Butler ($1.050m) / Greening ($0.816m) / Neil ($2.000m)
Konopka ($0.700m) / Daugavins ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
Filip Kuba ($2.300m) / Erik Karlsson ($5.500m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Mark Borowiecki ($0.610m)
Matt Carkner ($0.700m)
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.187m)
I believe this is a very strong lineup which has players who can easily move up and down the roster based on performance/inj uries. As well leaves 13M in cap space for further growth.
Let it ride baby !!
FORWARDS
Puempel ($1.137m)/ Da Costa ($1.325m)/Peter sson ($0.730m)
Hoffman ($0.676m) /Locke ($0.550m) /Stone ($0.630m)
Klinkhammer ($0.525m) /Cannone ($0.600m) /Noesen ($1.137m)
Dziurzynski ($0.600m) /Grant ($0.605m) / Cowick ($0.611m)
Caporusso ($0.565m)
DEFENSEMEN
Wiercioch ($0.875m) / Gryba ($0.622m)
Claessen ($0.800m) / Schira ($0.545m)
/ Wideman ($0.800m)
GOALTENDERS
Robin Lehner ($0.870m)
Maybe replace Prince in for Puempel.
Sign one veteran lifer D, and that looks like a potential Calder Cup team.
I say give Lehner one more year at the AHL level, this year wasn't the best for him. No point in having him back up Anderson for two years. Just for Andersons final year would be ideal
Where's Pageau in there ?
I actually agree. But only if it is for a 2nd rounder IMO. Why mess with even THIS years chemistry if we are in a position for playoffs. Don;t need to resign, but at least make the best of this year. Unless it means a 2nd rounder
If there is deal that we can manage to ship Kuba for a 2nd and a prospect then jump on it.
Next year:
Cowen-Karlsson
Gonchar-Borowicki
Phillips-Lee
Carkner
Lee
Winchester
Regin
Butler
DaCosta
Hoffman
Wiercoch
Kuba
All of these guys are expendable and should be packaged with some late picks to move up in the first round....If possible...
Sadly Sandy, most media folk don't actually think for themselves. Due to deadline pressures, they just vomit back what their local sources spoon feed to them. TSN, CBC and Sportsnet prove every day that only good team in Toronto is the Leasts marketing team.
Well there's your problem, you're reading the Sun! Bruce "Fat Head" Garrioch thinks Phoenix is in California, I am not surprised...
Also for whoever posted that bingo line-up for next season, I'm pretty sure Peumpel, Noesen, Prince and Pageau all have to go back to junior hockey if they don't make the Ottawa team. Just like Cowen and Stone weren't eligible to be in the AHL as 19 year olds, none of those guys are either.
maybe one of our guys develops into a top 4 or maybe we sign some free agents but imo beyond next year we are missing a 3 and 4 defensman.
I'm all for trading Kuba at the deadline and getting back that 2nd rounder we gave up w Rundblad. maybe take a defenseman?
This year's first round is very deep in defensmen. Could easily find a 3-4 defensman. I think Murray had that in mind when he moved Rundblad.
I think eventually butler/regin/da costa will have to be given tryouts on the 2nd line winger positions to see if they can work. if not then its bingo/trade for those three. I am interested to see what BM does on the blue line. I think one of Matt Carkner or Lee probably gets traded.
Now that it is looking ever more unlikely that we will b e picking outside the Top 5 (where all the great forwards are) we are sliding into an area of the draft that is currently projected to be filled with dmen.
Given the opportunity to get a genuine 2C player/prospect , combined with disappointment at Rundblad's progression and a glut of dmen projected to go in the first round it made the decision to move Rundblad a lot easier.
I agree that it is very unlikely that we re-sign Kuba, but getting rid of him for anything we can is now out of the question and mnoving him at the deadline is not the slam dunk it once was.
A personal perspective from a Bingo fan would be much appreciated.
Not only how but I think the why is equally important. If there is a specific player you have targeted in the second round that you MUST have and the team is outside of a playoff spot, then fine, make the deal and get an additional second.
It's all going to depend on where the Senators sit come deadline day. If they are solidly in a playoff spot, no way can they trade Filip Kuba for a draft pick.
I think sometimes fans get a little caught up in the "asset management" side of things and lose touch with the fact that this is a hockey team. A group of guys that go to battle together over the better part of 8 months. The Sens are sitting in a playoff spot, have surprised everyone, and fans expect Murray to trade one of the team's best defenceman for a 2nd round pick?? What message does that send to the rest of the guys in the locker room?
Just doesn't make sense.
should be an exciting month and a half leading up to the deadline. injuries on other teams seem to be piling up and the sens have been remarkably healthy on the front end so far.
http://senators.nhl.com/v2/ext/PDFs/Prospect_Update-010912.pdf
On another note, you have to think Pierre Gauthier is on his last legs with the Habs - have you heard any rumblings about them looking at Pierre Dorion. I'd hate to lose him, especially to them...
I am glad you are not the gm!!
To be honest, I'm glad none of us are the GM...myself included.
Why? do u even have a reason to back that up. I think this makes tons of sense, those guys are expendable and make for great trade bait.
The Senators are loaded with top of the line 3rd and 4th line players and prospects. Other than ZBad and that is still to be determined, the Senators have done a great job of restocking Bingo and the big club with those types of players which every team needs to be a Stanley Cup champion. Other than the three All-Stars and perhaps Turris every other forward on the Sens is considered in my mind a third or fourth line forward. So now it's incumbent on the Murray's to turn a few of those forwards into top 6 forwards for the future. When the Sens challenge for the Cup in a few years, does anyone really think that Greening and Condra will be on the top two lines? As much as I love the way these two are playing, I can't help but think that they along with some others may be included in packages down the road for an upgrade on the front end.
I think in 2 years our top lines will look something like
MM9-Spezza-ZBad
UFA-Turris-Pumpel
Well said.
I'm as happy as anyone that the Sens are exceeeding expectations, but the fact remains - they are lacking in high end talent. The list of players listed by PraiseAlfie (I believe) is, in my mind, a good illustration of that. If some of thse players could be packaged in a deal for a player of higher potential, then I think it makes sense.
These are Mid Season ranking but still...
12th, Cody Ceci (D, 67's) - Cody Ceci has been making noise playing for the Ottawa 67’s and projects to be a steady defenseman with good powerplay quarterback abilities. Ceci handles the puck well and his size (6’2”) is certainly an attractive attribute for NHL teams.
18th Ludvig Bystrom (D, Modo)- Over the past few years Bryan Murray and the Senators organization has shown that they are one of the better drafting teams in the National Hockey League. Ottawa has had very good success drafting Swedes and they could turn to one of the youngest projected first round picks in next year’s draft in Ludvig Bystrom. The Swedish defender has been logging big minutes in Sweden and plays a patient mistake free game.
19th Slater Koekkoek (D, Peterborough) - Slater Koekkoek has been rated anywhere from a top ten pick to a late first round pick but it is likely that he ends up somewhere in the middle. Koekkoek is currently sidelined for the season with a shoulder injury but when he is playing he brings good size (6’2”), an important physical element and can really skate.
25th Jordan Schmaltz (D, Sioux City) - Schmaltz may not last this late as he is a very capable puck-moving defenseman but the Sioux City defender is a confident player with a quick shot that would help add depth to the backend. Schmaltz has all the tools to become an effective powerplay quarterback and he is turning heads through the first half of his draft year.
5. Mathew Dumba (D, Red Deer, WHL)
The Oilers would love to end this never-ending rebuild and it’s no secret that their weakness is on the backend. If Oil town can nab a player of Mathew Dumba’s flare and talent then this organization receives a huge boost. If selected by Edmonton, Mathew Dumba would make it two years in a row that the Oilers selected a player from the Red Deer Rebels organization as Ryan Nugent-Hopkins was last season’s star acquisition.
or
9. Griffin Reinhart (D, Edmonton, WHL)
The Flames have plenty of holes to fill so expect them to take the “best player available” approach as well and that player could be playing just hours north of Calgary with the Edmonton Oil Kings. Griffin Reinhart, son of former Calgary Flame Paul Reinhart, would join his older brother Max as a Calgary prospect if they decided to draft the big blueliner with good offensive upside.
I would do it in a heartbeat!
in getting rid of "expendable " players.
Many excellent suggestions from knowledgeable posters, but
we are in an enviable position after 43 games, and I truly
have faith, that Murray will look at improving the team,
but not at too high a cost.
I would stick with our current roster, and wait till Feb 27
deadline, to see what's available.
i GOTTA think the flames go after a top 6 forward....if that means trading up so be it.
Sens are about to hit the ice. Will post a game day post shortly.
Brent Johnson eh! are we starting Auld?
That means not throwing away our draft picks on people who may not be here in 2012/13. No rental players but also no long term contracts being brought in. No players over 30 unless they are genuine top line material and even then I think he takes a real long time to think about it because the cost will be prohibitive
There is no real financial incentive to reach the playoffs this season, we need to make it to the 2nd round to break even anyway. getting knocked out in the first round of the playoffs costs the organisation more money than not making the playoffs in the first place.
What would be of benefit is this team fighting it out together and seeing how far they can take themselves. For the first time in many years I feel the Senators are much more a TEAM than a collection of individual hockey players.
I know it's the way of things and they would possibly understand but what does it say about the organisation when we don't have a realistic shot at the Stanley Cup but we say to players like Daugavins or Condra, "thanks for helping us exceed every expectaion anybody had this year but we've decided to bring in some 37 year old plug from buttfuck Idaho because 6 years ago he won a cup".
The togetherness that this team is forging now will pay dividends in the next 2 or 3 years. We shouldn't cast that aside because we suddenly believe getting to the 2nd round of the playoffs is success. It isn't the only measuring stick.
Regardless of what happens for the rest of this year this season is already successful.
@ The Apostle,
I think you have covered, and summarized all of the above,
in the most rational, and simple exposé that could be stated, by any knowledgeable hockey analyst !
Great post !!
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
apparently he is ready to play today, have a look at TSN Ice Chips. it was reported on the weekend that both him and Staal will be out for a few weeks atleast.
sens are getting help in the standings, caps lost last night to LA. Now if only St. Louis can dent Mtl today, Buff beats Tdot, Boston beats Wpg and Cgy miracles NJD and ofcourse our beloved Sens beat the Penguins. lot of hoping, but hope is not a plan....as a fan i dont have to plan though :)
i think if the sens can win their season series against Mtl, Toronto and Buffalo along with good records against other divisions the rest of the way then they make the playoffs
That's why I started off my comment by saying I don't support the idea of the Sens being buyers. I agree it would be stupid to trade picks/prospects for a playoff rental, but IF Murray decides to go down that road Ray Whitney would be a good pick up depending on the asking price.
That's all I was saying.
GO SENS GO
Can't agree with getting a guy like Whitney. Either keep the team as is or spend the excess players/draft picks on young players (Turris). If the Sens make the playoffs, the management will want to see how these guys will react to the pressure of playoff hockey. The experience that these guys will get even from a four game sweep will be valuable as they go forward. I compare this team with the 96-97 team. Young guys losing in 7 games against Buffalo, coming back the following year and upsetting the Devils as a 8th seed. Those young guys, Alfie, Yashin, Redden, Bonk, became the foundation for future teams. ( I hate putting Yashin's name in there but he was the star back then.)
As for the arguments that Condra and Greening aren't top 6 guys, well, they aren't. But Greening is with Spezza and Michalek, and Condra is with Turris and Alfie. Both are the "workers" on those units, and they have been valuable in letting those skill guys play their games (especially Greening with 9MM and Spez).
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