Early impressions, and they are just that right now, is that the Senators will not be a buyer leading up to the deadline. Now that doesn’t necessarily put them in the seller category either but I really don’t see the Sens making a big splash in the trade market before the end of February.
The way I see it, Murray already made his move, acquiring Kyle Turris in exchange for David Rundblad in December.
There are some big names floating around the rumour mill right now. Ryan Getzlaf, Jarome Iginla, Corey Perry and Rick Nash are all believed to be available, for the right price. The Ottawa Senators will NOT be involved on any of those players.
If the Sens do make a move, it would have to be for a bargain-bin salary or be a trade where equal dollars are going the other way. In a rebuilding year, the Senators are on a tight budget and there isn’t really a ton of wiggle room for Murray to add large player contracts.
While adding will be difficult, Bryan Murray has some interesting decisions to make should the team be holding down a playoff spot and someone comes calling about Sergei Gonchar or Filip Kuba. Kuba is a UFA at seasons end while Gonchar has another year at $5.5 million.
This really will be a last minute decision for the Sens and will depend on where they find themselves in the standings towards the middle of February and exactly what the market value is for these two players.
Right now, Sergei Gonchar and Filip Kuba are extremely important pieces on the Ottawa Senators blueline.
- Sens are on a heck of a run right now but a daunting stretch awaits. First up a home and home with the 4th place Flyers and then a three game road swing with stops in New York, Pittsburgh and Montreal. Ottawa will play 10 of their next 12 away from Scotiabank Place.
- Some good news on the injury front as defenceman Chris Phillips is expected to return to the line up tomorrow afternoon in Philadelphia. Phillips passed all his concussion tests and has had a couple of symptom free work outs. No word yet on who will come out of the line up.
- Craig Anderson will get the start in goal tomorrow. When MacLean was asked if he would go with Anderson in both weekend games, he indicated no decision has been made as of yet.
Against a tough Flyers team, I think you may be right. Carkner has actually played really well since returning to the line up.
Petes coach Mike Pelino told the Peterborough Examiner that it's very likely Sens prospect Matt Puempel has a concussion. #Sens #OHL
If we have a chance at making the playoffs, do it and win as much as you can. If we are in a good position in March/April, keep them. The upcoming draft is full of defenseman and only trade one of them if the deal is really that irresistible.
Not good, but concussions look like they're just going to be as common as a bad groin.
Clearly, with the minuses racking up on your post, the people have spoken yawnzzzz. Get over the Phillips bashing, no one agrees.
http://powerscouthockey.com/point-shares
why does everyone seem to want a shake up at all, competition for the spots on the team will help mold our young prospects into hard working nhlers. what are you really expecting in return for butler, winnie, konopka, kuba???? I doubt we would get anything desirable....
As for the players with some value - i think we should honor our contract with gonchar and keep him - i suspect he has a lot to do with #65s development into an allstar, and neil has been a leader of this young group all season - i dont think this young team can afford to lose him.
Who do you see replacing Neil out of curiosity? People tend to quickly forget all the great stuff he does since he doesn't score 20+ goal/year. I'm not saying he's untradable (it all depends on the return), but I wouldn't put him in the same class as butler/winchest er/Konopka.
Wow, I think he just modified his post, "thumbed down" everyone, took his marbles and ran home 0_o...
LOL
EVERYONE WHO THINKS PHILLIPS IS A GOOD PLAYER PLEASE REPLY TO THIS IN YOUR USERNAME
NO MORE HIDING BEHIND THUMBS DOWN
if you love phillips
-dumb penalties
-lowests +/- in the LEAGUE last year
-lack of hands
-lack of speed
-constant panic moves resulting in icing, or giveaways
So lets hear the people speak, which of your are total mindless hockey fans who latch on to town favorites, contrary to poor on ice play.
Who hates winning without Phillips?!?!?!? ?!
Regardless of where we are at the deadline I think Murray stands pat or is a seller. We are already gearing up to be as good, if not better, next year than this so why mess with that? Even the Turris trade wasn't really for the now, that was a move for the future. I don't see Murray changing his philosophy.
I can see a little spot of tinkering being done but I think it's more likely that our expiring contracts are moved for picks and prospects than they are for players. If they are moved at all.
I think people are getting a little carried away because we are doing better than most expected, but it really isn't that unrealistic that we are in 10th or 11th in the conference come deadline day. Just as it isn't unrealistic to think we could be in 5th or 6th.
I don't buy into the anything can happen in the playoffs scenario. What generally happens is that the cup winner is one of the best two or three teams in the NHL and as impressive as the sens have been this year, we aren't close to that at the moment.
Stay the course with the rebuild and rejoice that we are ahead of schedule rather than mess that up by having our reach outdistance our grasp. 2011/12 isn't the sens year, but do it right now and 2013/14 just might be.
he defines the phrase SHUT DOWN if ever there was an all time shut down playoff D man, it's Phillips
I especially like when he scores on his own net in the playoffs, that is really bringing your A game when it matters.
The best part is he doesnt have to work at all for a contract, He busted his ass in his "contract season" to achieve the worst +/- in the NHL, and was rewarded with a 3 year deal
Another good thing is that he is aging, those crusty carpenter hands are only gonna get harder and stiffer
Is this a rebuild or just the after affects of a hefty Divorce and legal issues ?
5th place in conference 6 points behind Boston 1st NW !! 7 points behind Rangers for 1st overall confernce and 1st in League ...
Any team in the NHL would take Phillips and even Sid the Kid said he was one of the toughest to play against.
Nuff said.
..thought so
Yeah right, Im sure sid has danced around the old log many times
WORST +/- IN THE LEAGUE BABY
NUFF SAID
Regardless of how well we do over the next few weeks, I am happy with "only" having made the Turris move we should pretty much stand pat on the rest, unless the backup goaltending is still looking really iffy.
If we take a bit of a tumble I would look at moving a player or two for picks.
If we stay the course I'd only look at moving a contributing piece out (Gonch, kuba etc) only if we get an extremely good offer. Doubly so if we have good team chemistry happening.
Can't wait to crack a cold one at 1pm tomorrow. Go Sens!
Definitely a Chris Phillips fan.
The guy has given his heart and soul to this organization for 984 games. As durable as they come and a solid shutdown defenceman. Struggled last season (like a lot of guys did) but has been much better this year.
Dated- 28 DECEMBER 2011
http://www.the6thsens.com/2011-articles/december/phillipsdraftbustwrong939191.html
"Phillips is the head of the worst draft since 1990. Any other year, he may have slipped out of the top five but in 1996, he was the top pick. This is seriously bad fortune for the Senators because, in most years, the No. 1 overall pick is significantly more valuable than those following it. But they had to settle for Phillips, who was thought to have limited potential on offense. As the Vancouver Sun's Elliott Pap wrote before the draft, "Phillips wasn't even good enough to take a regular shift for the gold-medal winning Canadian team at last winter's World Junior Championships."
....Heart and soul does a whole lotta nothin' on the ice, especially when the puck is in the net and #4 is there with that dumb ass WTF look on his face
Isn't it your nap time? Besides you are living in the past. Much of the team, Phillips included struggled last season. This season he has been very solid in his role.
GO AWAY>>>>>
Have you seen Auld play lately? If he goes anywhere it will likely to be waivers when we acquire a better backup. I like Alex, but he sure is struggling this season. Hope he can turn it around, chances are we'll get to see him try this weekend.
really glad that he will be back against Philly...that team freaking scares me...we need as many big bodies as possible..lee has been solid in the hit department but sadly he's the easiest player to sit vs the flyers....Andy will probably play both games and needs to continue his solid play from last night...
I know greening has been decent on the top line..but how about give foligno a shot on that top line....he seems to have an extra step in his game when given a bigger role...
"oh he has heart and soul"
because there is NO evidence that he is good, No stat backs him up as being a good player
Let this be your last comment on the subject. This is clearly getting out of hand. You don't have to like him and others are allowed to appreciate what he brings to the team.
Preventing other players from getting stats is a pretty good stat to me.
I have and if Murray can get a pick for floater kovalev, I am sure he can get something for a good team guy from a team looking to add a little insurance.
Regardless as to where the Sens are in the standings, trade Kuba at the deadline. He is having a much better season than Kaberle did last year and look at what Boston gave up for him. Now look, I realize that was then and this is now... but Kuba does help the PP just like Gonchar.
Kuba most likely will not be re-signed for next season. At least get something for him.
Gonchar is definitely gone after next year. He controls where he goes.. but if he has a chance with a contending team to win the Cup.. I don't think he will refuse.
We all know there will be 2 forward prospects that most likely make the Sens out of training camp in Silfverberg & Zibanejad. Murray has too many forwards now -- including the injured players. I'm sure he trades one or two out at the deadline.. question is -- who is it... and it won't be Neil.
Murray has been after a young 2nd line centre which he now has.
He should try to get back that 2nd round pick at the deadline...
If the Sens make the playoffs, the only team (based on standings today) that they would have a chance of beating is Florida -- but they probably won't be in the playoffs once Wash catches them. Realistically they lose to any other team in the top 8... But then stranger things have happened.
I really believe someone comes calling for Konopka. A lot of teams were in on him in the off-season.
went through this same shit with fisher, all the fans are goo goo for him, all for anything but his on his performance.
Enjoy the love fest.
I love hockey, not the heart and soul of the men off the ice.
p.s.
To Johne:
Worst +/- baby, who did he "prevent" from getting points lol
984 regular season NHL games, 97 NHL playoff games.
you don't get those stats by being useless.
i may not agree with the contract he got recently and i may not like his play last year or the year before - but to continually say that he is or never has been any good is completely ignorant.
but I guess we already knew that about you didn't we.
Winchester
Regin
Auld
1 of Kuba/Lee/Carkner
The more success we have though, the less I think Murray will be willing to move Kuba at the deadline. I'm even more concerned he may re-sign him in the offseason. He's been great this year, but best to leave on a high note. It's a huge step up from when fans booed him and Gonchar to start the year, no need to allow that to happen again.
I recognize there won't be much return for any of those players, except maybe Kuba, but a few late picks or an upgrade on Da Costa or Butler might be worthwhile.
Maybe you are right. The only circumstances we would move him though are:
1 - he pick up his game but the team flounders out of contention so we move him for a pick. Lehner would probably get in a few games if this is the case.
2 - the team is looking great but he is looking shit. We'd need a strong backup for any sort of chance in the playoffs, so we'd move him to bring someone else cheap but reliable in.
As I said for all parties involved I hope he turns his game around. We'll see real soon!
I agree, This team can be successful with even gaining assets in the same season.
I think Neil has proven that he is an untouchable for Murray. He is an absolute warrior for this team. The team doesn't have a heartbeat without Neil.
Kuba, Gonchar, Konopka, Michalek, Regin, Winchester, Butler are all expendable at the right price come trade deadline.
+/- is a team stat. Chirp will ban you soon enough.
Weren't u leaving? Please do, you obviously only celebrate goals and assists and know very little about hockey.
You are talking about Philips or Volchenkov check your stats and comeback correct !!
STAY THE COURSE MURRAY
side note, I got my Standing Room seats for the ASG today (brutal) and I'm wondering why they have assigned seating. Can't you just move freely up there? Does anyone know
Next year we have a chance to see (probably) what Zbad and Silfverburg can do in the NHL and get a better idea of what Noesen, Stone and Puempel might be able to provide. If the news is positive on all of those, then Michalek becomes expendable.
I think the only way Michalek moves is as part of a BIG deal or if somebody offers us something along the lines of a 1st and a decent prospect.
I think (although I don't know why) that you get an assigned place to stand to stop everybody crowding to the centre or one end.
Sounds like a health and safety kind of deal to me.
I think Michalek is an injury waiting to happen. While I like what he does on the ice, he is no benefit to the team injured.
I understand were in a playoff spot but we cant start thinking the rebuild is over. We havent even finished year 1! Lets just roll with what we have and maybe consider something at Free Agency or during the draft.
I think that's the general consensus, I have a feeling that Melnyk wants to stick to a lower budget plan and this young crop of players is getting the job done.
I understand the point, but Crosby is also an injury waiting to happen. If you were a pens fan would you want to trade him?
Obviously prior to this season Michalek appeared more injury prone than Crosby so my argument is a little specious but I think he is worth having here next year.
However, regardless of whether or not I'm a fan of his, I can acknowledge that he is no longer one of our top 4 defenseman, which is fine to me. Karlsson, Kuba, Gonchar, and Cowen have all been better all-round defenders than Phillips this year.
I might be looking too far into the future here, but have you heard on anyone the organization likes that's available in the upcoming Entry Draft?
If we make the playoffs and get in that 16-20 range, it's conceivable we could grab Martin Frk, my favourite so far. He's a Landeskog type of player who's been hurt by knee injuries but his upside is huge (goal scoring, great vision) and fills a need of a RW in the system.
Well we have a bit of a glut / logjam of third/fourth liners and defensemen so... if we move several smaller pieces to bring back something of better quality that would help us just as much in the medium term future as it would the short term... then i think that makes sense.
You can never say never, certainly there is the possibility to improve the team substantially without mortgaging away the future, just needs to be done the proper way.
Oh fuck no. This will definitely hurt his chance to make the big team next year. Anyhow I'd rather he develop another year and begin his NHL career at 20. Eberle did and he's panned out quite nicely. Let the starting lines for 2012-2013 begin.
I think it's safe to say our untouchables are Spezza, Alfie, Smith, Turris, Zibanejad, Karlsson, Cowen,Lehner our 1st round picks, and probably Phillips and Neil for what they mean to the organization.
If Murray can make a deal that improves our team for the present and the future, I don't think anyone would be complaining about it.
ex players are an irrelevance unless they deliberately fucked over the organisation.
Redden deserves our gratitude for what he helped the organisation achieve whilst he was here not our derision.
On the subject of my last post, does anyone know how the entry level works out? Ex: If Puempel & Noesen signed at the end of 2011, do their contracts affect 2012-2013, 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 or when they begin their NHL careers regardless of when they signed?
Absolutely agree. Nice to hear people speak like this, it reflects well on us as a fan base.
Their contracts don't kick in until they are full time NHLers.
Absolutely,
take a look at the draft since 2004, no signifigant Russian has been drafted (2) or made any major impact on their teams.
yes, they are skillful, but individual skill will not beat a team that plays as a team.
For every Volchenkov's I can give you:
Kovalev
Semin
Bryzgalov
as well as a host of Sens wasted picks:
Zubov
Kaigarodov
Nikolin
Bashkirov
Anikayenko
Lyamin
Need I go on?
Miguel, sorry man but your point sucks big time. For every Crosby, Yzerman, Sakic, I can name you hundreds of Canadians that didn't pan out. For every Alfie, Lidstrom, Sundin, Forsberg, I can list of hundreds of Swedes that didn't make it.
This Russian stereotype is such crap that's been fed to you and anyone else who will take the bait by the Canadian media.
I'd take the likes of Datsyuk, Ovie, Malkin, Kovalchuk, Federov, Bure, Mogilny, Larionov, Sergei Zubov, Markov, Gonchar, Zhamnov, Kozlov etc etc on my team any day.
I'm pretty sure their contracts kick in the minute they make AHL or NHL.
Well said
Hmmm I'm not quite sure how to explain this... someone help me out because I may not be right. I don't even know what the original question was but their entry level contracts don't kick in until they play a minimum amount of games in the NHL.
We didn't lose a year off of Lehner's ELC last year even though he played 8 games for us. Every year that passes by that a certain player doesn't play a minimum amount of games in the NHL, his ELC will slide another year.
I'm not good at explaining this stuff so someone else do it lol
Don't let the Chirpdoor hit you on the way out!
Your post made me think...
I wonder what Gonchar would fetch?
We've got Cowen, Karlsson, Phillips, Kuba, Carkner and Lee, plus the Bingo crew. Could we get a 1st and bottom pairing D in return?
I'm already happy with this season, and as long as we stay competetive for the rest of the year, I don't care what happens; obviously, making the playoffs would be nice. I don't see us making the conference finals, even with my homer-hat on. I'd be on top of the world if we made the 2nd round... that being said:
Hypothetically speaking, could this team continue their play without Gonchar? I mean, could we ship him out at the deadline (unlikely if we're in the hunt, but this is just hockey talk now) and still make the playoffs?
sooooo what you're saying is:
Michalek
for
Perry
Let's face it, while I am thrilled with the rebuild, I don't think this is "our year". More picks gives us leverage on draft not deadline day - which is much more suited to Murray's strengths as a GM.
Yeah I agree, not just Kuba but any of our other UFA's or RFA's that we don't intend to resign. Hopefully Murray will get what he can for these guys, like he should have done with Kuba and few years ago before resigning him, and like he should have done with Volchenkov.
This might not be our year, but tanking every season is not in the cards for this organization. Give these guys a taste of the playoffs, even if its a first round exit and they will get that Stanley Cup hunger and perform at levels in the future they had no idea they could.
I've thought the same myself about gonchar.
Although he has clearly shown the team is considerably better with him in the line-up, how much would a team, deemed playoff bound but are missing some veteran presence on the blue line, be willing to give?
I could see Philly being interested to have Gonchar as a Pronger replacement, the biggest issue here is cap space for them. They haven't been quite the same since he left, and are likely shopping for a bandaid. They have lots of young talent and picks, and know what to expect from Gonch thanks to the Pennsylvania rivalry.
Too bad this isn't the MLB where the salary cap is a running joke...
And that is why I am thankful for the drafting of Zibanejad, Puempel and Noesen, to go along with Mark Stone and Kyle Turris. This team will be so sick in the near future. This season is just a tease of what's to come. Look at all that abundance of 1st rounders minus Stone. Stone is still sick anyhow.
But in no way, shape or form should Murray trade a pick/prospect/y oung player for an older rental or pending UFA. Trade a p/p/yp for another p/p/yp if you want of course.
And yeah, any of our pending UFAs or RFAs that Murray doesn't plan to resign should go before the deadline for whatever we can get.
Only exception would be that if all we're offered for Kuba (for example) is a 7th rounder, we may as well keep him if we're still in playoff position and we feel he'll help. An earlier pick makes it worth it regardless.
Again: if we're first overall and Kuba is in the run for the Norris we should STILL trade him for a third rounder if that's the best we can get.
Man, anything can happen in the post season. Look at MTL a couple of years back; they made it to the conference finals on the back of Halak. If Andy plays like he did at the end of last season, and we catch a million and a half bounces, it's not impossible; as long as we can avoid Philly or Boston, I think we have q chance to eek out series wins against the rest.
And, ya, you caught me on the flip-flop... We have so many prospects these days that if you don't make good on your chance(s) to perform, you miss out for good. I really liked what Butler showed last year, but if he and Kuba can fetch picks and a serviceable D-man, I'll find another c*ck to ride...
HELLO Mr. Stone!
Gonchar lost a bet with Alfie and Karlsson over the Sweden/Russia game last night and had to wear a yellow helmet at practice. Karlsson was also wearing Zibanejad's #93 Sens practice jersey. Nice to see Karlsson showing some love for his fellow countryman and future Sens teammate.
Just smthg to think about
The only person that will be talking about trading Alfie between now in the deadline is Eklund. Alfie isn't going anywhere... not this year at least.
Also Jarome Iginla is way too old for this team!
The only player out of those metioned Murray should trade for if the Senators were a cup contender and Murray knew that he could get them over the top and win the cup would be Rick Nash!
What if someone is put on waivers who ca help out this team down the strech and in playoffs should Murray pluck that player off of waivers?
If Murray is going to make any moves it will be during the summer and not at the trade deadline and it will not be a trade at the draft Murray will look to sign someone who he can get at a cheap price!
Totally - assuming the only "cost" is paying the guy for the rest of this year. No additional years on the contract, no loss of picks etc.
Quoting Spezzafan19:
Not sure what you mean by "any moves" but Kuba, Auld, Carkner and Konopka will get moved before the deadline if we get a decent offer. Winchester might as well. Add in any RFAs that Murray has decided he won't want to resign. And trades at the draft will happen if something good is offered - big or small. But again, only something that helps the club in the rebuild.
Not sure I agree with you on the fact that murray wil definitely NOT be in the running for a perry or a getzlaf....that will all depend on the price that is being requested....bu t I would think since he had a part in drafting the guys, he must like them and may make an offer. I guess my point is you can't possibly be certain that they won't be coming here. If we are in a playoff position and the price is let's say a foligno and a prspect/pick... ..I would do it.
Just a thought...
Am so glad that you stepped into the "nuisance expert" on
the value of Chris Phillips.
Once he saw you were warning him, he fell apart, and took
his hockey knowledge with him, and quickly disappeared.
Thanks for Chirping the guy outa your site !
At least one win vs. the Flyers in the back to back would be great.
Philly's real damn good. If we could at least force overtime in either of the games and pick up points at least, I would be happy.
GO SENS GO
Two Philly wins would move us to alteast fourth.
GET IT DONE GUYS!
Silfverberg Spezza Alfie
Zibby Turris Michelak
Folingo Connolly Stone
Greening Smith Neil
Rebuild done and lots of Cap space
Disagree about Michalek... he stays... probably Winchester as well. McLean likes what he brings to the game.
I thought he was injured and not playing?
I mean Murray should not do anything leading up to the trade deadline or on trade deadline and should wait to do his job during the summer. So I am saying that Murray should just stand pat at the trade deadline.
Also I am saying someone who is put on waivers or recallable waivers so Murray does not have to trade any draft picks I am saying a ufa who is in there last and then like what Murray did when he picked up Marek Svatos.
Go sens go
here's what i hope; Murray doesnt wait for the last minute to pull the trigger. the serious players are gonna come out swinging hard leading up to the deadline.
Flyers are a prime target with lots of young talent. they finally have a goalie and they lose pronger for the season, potentially forever.
another target might be the panthers, they are desparate for some playoff hockey.
For the love of God! Read what you have texted before posting. It's like listening to Rainman talking about the Sens. I am saying, I am saying, about a hundred dollars, yeah, about a hundred dollars. Please watch the movie if you don't understand the reference.
The most surprising thing of all though, despite being two huge Leafs fans and a gigantic Habs fam, all three of them love Alfie!!! Just goes to show you that not all leafs and Habs fans suck.
For god sakes you should proof read and what you write you
sound like someone who mubling!
At least my writing is better then yours and more sense then yours!
Like I mentioned above....Murray wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't at least inquire on a Getzlaf or ryan
Looking for a solid performance to continue 4 game winning streak.
Same lineup once again, with Phillips as 3rd pairing
with Carkner, and Lee as a healthy scratch !
Hoping for an overtime win with Michalek or Spezza scoring.
I believe Sid actually said THE toughest, not one of.
Also, we shouldn't try to hard to discredit someone who actually thinks +/- is USEFUL. Worst... Stat... Ever!
No one thinks Phillips was good last year - that's obvious. In my books, it was the exception that prove the rule. The fact that he's bounced back in a big way this season only reinforces that.
the east is going to be close down to the last game, ultimately Euge is likely going to have some say as to what happens at the deadline w kuba and gonch. i believe if we look to be lock then we keep both guys and try to squeek out a first round w. if we are a bubble team or lower, i think one or both guys will be moved.
I think we all need to keep in mind that all stats need to be viewed in context (type of player, situations they play in, etc); If you're a shutdown player, the usual stats don't always show when you've done your job (ie - you don't get a +1 for preventing Ovie from scoring).
Also, the old adage of 'Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics' is true - ever listen to sportscasters go on about stats (someone already made a comment about Scott Cullen's power rankings - what a load of useless BS)?
The game isn't played in a vacuum, and you need to look at where, when and how a player's stats were earned (or not earned in the case of some empty net goals; second assists; bad line changes leading to a minus; bad v good penalties/fights...)
Also, any HD streams for today's game... PLEASE?
Thanks,
Why on earth would you mess with what we have? Half way through and we sit in 5th. Sure, there are some underlying weaknesses (games played, goals against), but at the end of the day, we are well ahead of expectations and I think a playoff run (no matter how short) would be of more benefit than a 3rd for kuba and other tinkering that would offer minimal benefit with great risk.
Surely this team can continue their winning ways without any of them although I would keep Carkner because they still need his toughness. Kuba is playing well now but he won't be re-signed & we have enough depth to overcome his loss IMO. If there is a good young player or two to be had for our aging veteran players Murray should jump all over it. Murray should also be looking for a 2nd rd pick or more if he can get it for those UFAs.
I think the way Anderson played vs Tampa, it would be an insult to start Auld.
Unless Anderson is not healthy enough to play ??
http://forum.wiziwig.eu/threads/66276-NHL-Today!-Jan-7th-Streaming
Chirp must be under the weather ??
Go Sens go!
Spendzza
Ottawa takes over the game and refs take it away from them.
Came out huge to start the 2nd with like 4 scoring chances then took a penalty. I expect the Flyers to dominate the next 7-8 min
I agree, and I've already heard him mentioned in some discussion. Definitely in the top 5 right now and it helps that Florida, Minnesota and Toronto are coming back down to earth while the Sens keep on trucking.
Sens have had more scoring chances 10-4 so far.
Michalek scores his 20th, and game is tied 1-1
at end of 2 periods !
Let's show these Flyers, that we are not the same team
they crushed 7-2 in October !
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I totally agree. What we don't get to see is what he's doing behind the scenes as well. I've heard that he's been giving Smith, Foligno, and maybe even Spezza some pointers on how to take a faceoff.
Also, I have a feeling Gonchar has taken Karlsson under his wing. Yeah, Karlsson has massive amounts of talent and upside but he needed to be guided. I, for one, think Gonchar should stay. For Karlsson's sake.
To sum up the trade talk so far:
No one has suggested a firesale at the deadline; this isn't last year's team. I could see them moving Kuba if the right offer was made, but no one hear knows who, if anyone, management is actively shopping. Other teams will call and see what's available, and it's up to Murray et al. to decide whats best. That being said, we could probably manage to ship either Kuba or Gonchar, but not both if want to be 8th or better when we cross the finish line in April.
So - Keep Kuba (with the intent to resign) and move Gonchar for a larger return, or keep Gonchar and see who is willing to take a flyer on Kuba... or move neither and ship out Lee.
Not to bash Lee, but we should be looking at moving out a D, especially since old Ekland is stating that D-men and Centremen are in hot demand. Seriously, we could afford to ditch Lee if an offer was made, all things considered (current players under contract, prospects in the system, etc.).
As for moving Konopka - we need his grit if we want to survive in the playoffs, PLUS WHO WOULD TAKE FACEOFFS?!?! lol... I'd rather have Konopka crushing faces and sitting 5 and have Neil able to do his job, if need be.
I'm not for moving anyone else (Carkner, Winni, Foligno, Regin, etc.), as I don't think we'll get a fair return.
I'm on the fence about Butler: like old Flip-Flop Fo-LEEEEEE-no said, we could give him time, since he's got another year before becoming an RFA, or we can package him off at the deadline.
If ANA (Hagman) or CBJ (Prospal) is willing to part with a pending UFA winger for Butler, would you consider it?
If we were offered a 3rd for Kuba, a 1st for Gonchar or a bag of pucks for Lee (jk), what would you say?
HAHAHA I was putting laundry away/folding it....needless to say, I am back to square one.
I hope we score again so this came can be over already. Peeved.
I think if we were to move Kuba while still fighting for the playoffs it would have to be for a 2nd or decent prospect.
Nope. Isn't that going the wrong way in terms of our rebuild?
Ya, you're completely right, but I don't think it would set us back to move Butler (which we signed out of college - costed us nothing), who never scores in any games, especially against Philly (GULP)...
All I meant is that Butler could land us someone that could help us finish strong and push for the second round (if all goes to plan; wearing homer-hat now). Making the playoffs and getting that type of experience is the next step after the rebuild. Shipping out one young player is a gamble, but not as big as trading draft picks. At the moment, the farm system isn't bare and we don't NEED Butler; we sure would like to keep him if he can score on a consistent basis, but we will have to make a decision about his future soon enough, either this year or next.
It's great to have this conversation if you think about it. We can talk about this because "the farm system isn't bare". Go Sens!
Go Butler, glad to see him finding the right side of the score sheet!
I agree with Sensnation that we'd need more than a 3rd for Kuba, he means too much to us to let go for a 3rd.
It's so hard to determine/specu late what a player is worth; I don't know how Ekland makes up all of his trade rumors, THIS IS EXHAUSTING!
Because he makes stupid plays like that
All he has to do is go up the boards
10 seconds left in the game and he makes that play.
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Thank god, now we can stay on track to get that Yakupov...
Poor Phillips.
Otherwise, I'm proud of how they played this afternoon. Looking forward to the game tomorrow for sure. GO SENS
Meh (agreement on Hagman; I don't mind Prospal but think we should get more for Butler)...
I was just asking the question, and using those two as examples of pending UFA wingers (plus they're on teams that will be sellers come the deadline).
Go Sens - keep racking up those points!
Phillips responsible for at least 2 goal those goals. He's definitely still adjusting from the concussion.
Loved Butler's play this game.
Taking credit for my posts? lol
as for this being an adjustment from his concussion - please...
he must have been concussed for 3 years
That goalie interference call was horrible. Not only was it bad, it switched the momentum of the game.
Now on a positive note, they have a chance to get 3 points in this back to back. Showed the Flyers and I think showed the league that the Sens have to be taken seriously.
Kudos BM!!
Phillips had a rough game despite playing so well, he scores the tying goal on Anderson and gives up the game winner with that weak shot up the boards.
who do you think you are judging phillips like that? he is a human not a machine every body makes mistakes might as well shit on michalek for missing is shot on his break away, we should be pissed off at the refs not phillips.
Turris the enforcer ... loving this kid more every game! GO SENS GO!!!
I wasn't being serious man...I respect him as a person and as a player for what he's done for the team.. he just needs to play smarter that's all I ask lol
As for the Phillips bashing...
I could pick almost any player on the Sens and start bashing them. It is only logical that throughout the games they play there will be mistakes they will make especially after coming back from injuries. Such as Michalek not getting goals or Anderson letting in softies or Spezza with the no look pass etc. These things happen. Phillips and the Sens got us to 5th place in the East all the way from 15th this season. Phillips is one of our leaders and will be for at least the next couple of years.
My opinion is that they sign him to another contract for next year, let alone trade him...
This was well-earnewd one point form our team on the road against one of the league's best - be happy about it..and let's look to taske two from them tomorrow!
GO SENS GO!
Dude, you have to live with it...I admit, I was NOT happy when BM signed him to a three-year extension last year (I thought it went against the whole "rebuild" plan)...but like Gonchar, we just have to live with his contract and hope he contributes more positives than negatives - I'd say so far this year, that has been the case...
useless like your comments!?
Why was the game blacked out, or did this only happen to me?
Glad to see the Sens forced overtime and got a point. This at least keeps the point streak going.
Briere scored with 6 seconds left... what happened?
A Red Wings win would be great tonight too!
www.capitalsensthoughts.blogspot.com
PS - Im a fan of Phillips, a couple bad games cant ruin a bunch of great seasons :)
What's with all the Phillips hate? Please enlighten me to how he played today? Missed the game.
How did the team play overall?
Glad with the point.
I saw the excuses coming a MILE away
"Oh he just came off a concussion"
Bahahaaahhah
So then what , in a couple games he will be back to "form"
seriously, you are making retards of yourselves
phillips is phillips, he is a carpenter not a hockey player
Enough excuses
No Phillips = Win = FACT
Can you see the future? Did you know the Sens would beat them in the shootout? OMG!!!!
Wow, I'm telling you Kreskin you shouldn't waste your talents here, please share your gift with the world!!
Side note, before you are banned, can I get the numbers for Wednesday's 6/49? Thanks, you are a doll!
Florida is leading their division, Philly isn't.
HAGMAN? Really?
Not trying to defend him.. but is the planned play to have the D on the other side of the net to accept a pass? Was someone out of position?
I'm happy for the point... 2 would have been tremendous.. but 1 pt is better than no points... hate to admit it.. but I thought the Sens would lose this one. They have trouble with the elite teams.
They did a good job on Giroux today... but could not stop Briere... that little twirp.
Hoping for a win tomorrow.
ok thank you!
Loved the Turris Briere fight. Showed some character. Too bad Gonchar had to take a stupid penalty and kill the motivation.
And I loved seeing Maclean lose his shit after the 2nd too many men on the ice penalty. I wish I could have read the lips. I bet that's why the moustache's there...
Next game is in our barn, hope we crush them, payback.
refing was horrid what else is new.
I don't like Hagman either, but when motivated (and with a fresh start), he could be an effective third liner. That said, it didn't help him this season when Anaheim claimed him off waivers Nov 14th.
It would be a complete fleece if we traded Butler for Hagman straight up; Hagman hasn't done anything in the playoffs (30GP: 4G, 3A), and is a minus 14(!) on the year. He hasn't had a decent season since being on the Leafs/Flames in '09/'10 (82GP; 25G, 44PTS). I shouldn't be too hard on him, though; all players have up and down years, plus he was on a JUNK Flames team last year, when he managed only 27PTS (11G, 16A) in 71GP.
Still, if we could get a decent return for Butler, I wouldn't be too upset if we ended up with Hagman on our team. I have faith that our coaching staff could manage a reclaimation project like Hagman. It worked with Filatov, didn't it... oh wait. DAMN IT!
Note: Yes, I'm aware I'm throwing out stats after posting that stats are useless without context.
What do you think Butler is worth?
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If only we were always this lucky! Hopefully we manage to grab 2 points tonight! Bench Philips in the last minute and we should be aces!
There are a lot of players I would trade but he is not one of them, he is worth more to us than another team because we know his potential.
He can light it up the last half of the season.
Konopka I would like to see replaced with DaCosta, nothing against Konopka just can't see his value being we have Neil Carkner (and Turris JK)
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/sports/senators-hockey/Piques+send+Sens+prospect+Pageau+packing/5962972/story.html?rel=824725
Not a lot of guys want to go toe to toe with Neil.
Cheap shot by Turris?? Oh right, and when Briere gave Turris a low blow with his stick that wasn't cheap at all. As good a player as Briere is, I've always hated his ass.
He's a greasy little rat out there on the ice. I hope one of the Sens knocks that gremlins head clean off his dumbass body tonight haha
As you guys can see I'm still bitter over yesterdays OT loss. Go fuck yourself Briere.
I thought the game last night was one of the best Ottawa has played all season, really close game with a contender, and if it wasn't for Bryz we would've won. Hopefully they can play the same way tonight and light up Bob (assuming he's playing)
And yeah, Briere is a greasy little rat for sure, I can't stand him but he is a good player....
I agree with AFM, I've always disliked Briere too. he has has the sort of face that you want to punch. Or "scrape along the ice".
Another good game for Turris and yet another game when this team shows it can battle with anybody.
I think we get overly depressed when we have a blowout game (like against Montreal). Every team has those and younger, inexperienced teams have more than most. perhaps one of the most pleasing things about this team is that we havn't allowed ourselves to become mired in lengthy losing streaks too often this season.
Bouncebackability.
LOL all you did all weekend long was sit on your ass and watch tv and than you judge phillips like he is a no good piece of shit hahaha thats pathetic.
Not everyone is living in their parents basement being a leech on society and being unable to afford a few luxeries..like you know going out for dinner...to a place with a TV(SHOCKING I KNOW)
they are doing some tour promoting something.
and dominate the Flyers, to avenge the 7-2 drubbing they
inflicted on our Sens in early October.
Lineup will be the exact same as the last game in Philly.
Hope Phillips also redeems himself, by not allowing bad
decisions, including giveaways !
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!