The rise of the Florida Panthers has been one of the most fascinating stories in the NHL this season. While they still seem to be flying under the radar, the fact that they are in the mix for the lead in the East has to come as a surprise. They made some aggressive moves in the off season but I don't know that anyone thought they would be this good.
Led by solid goaltending by Jose Theodore and a breakout season by Kris Versteeg, the Panthers should give the Sens all they can handle tonight.
The Sens come into tonight's action with 36 points, good enough for 8th in the Eastern Conference. Although with a win tonight Ottawa could finish the night as high as 6th.
MacLean will make at least one change to his line up as Jesse Winchester will not be available after suffering a concussion on Tuesday. Bobby Butler takes his spot in the line up. Milan Michalek was on the ice this morning but is still wearing the non-contact sweater. Michalek says he's feeling fine but still plans to wait until after the holiday break to make his return.
Some surprising news out of practice this morning as apparently Peter Regin as re-injured his shoulder and is considering surgery. No timeline for his return but this is obviously a major setback for the forward.
MacLean plans to go with seven defenceman against the Panthers.
Craig Anderson gets the start in goal. Still tickets left for this one so go to www.capitaltickets.ca for more info. Puck drop is just after 7:30 PM tonight with the action available on SportsnetSens.
- Some surprising news this morning as we learned that Ottawa 67's star and Sens prospect Shane Prince did not make the final roster for Team USA. He was named to the original roster but did not make it through the final cuts.
Must be anxious but still cautious on his part .
He will play on Dec 27 vs the Habs in SBP.
Our lineup with him on line 1 at RW will bump Alfredsson down to Line 2
We will then have much better firepower, and if the injuries stop, we will be challenging our opponents in every game with 2 top lines !!
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!
As in: "Ahhh fuck, I Regined my shoulder again..."
Seriously though?
I pitty the guy. He's got next to no value left and will probably drizzle down the depth chart with Zbad and Turris filling the 2C and 3C spots in the years to come and Silfverberg and Petersson replacing underacheiving or "un-re-signed" wingers.
I hope for his sake that its nothing major...
Also really very surprised to hear about Prince???
Who does the US have with his explosive firepower?
Usually the take the OHL players with high offensive numbers, quite a shitty surprise.
So to confirm for WJC Sens prospects
Sweden - Zibby, and Claeson
Canada- Mark Stone
Czech - Culek,
am I missing anyone?
thanks
Will he still be on Line 3 for tonite's game ??
:(
Maybe we will see Lee in place of Regin !
Might as well throw Carkner on the fourth line and send him out to forecheck like a madman.
With the addition of Turris to the forward ranks and the possibility of Zbad and Silfverburg beiung with the big club next year I just don't see any space for him anymore.
I quite like Regin but I don't think he offers the senators enough of anything that can't be got elsewhere within the organisation for cheaper and longer.
In normal circumstances, I wouldn't be a huge fan of dressing a 7th defenceman because it screws up the forward lines but in our case, with MacLean constantly juggling lines anyways, I don't think it will be all that different for the players..
Karlsson is like a 4th forward anyways...
I don't know who the favorite in this tourney is going to be. Sweden and Russia are going to have really strong teams. I think Canada made some mistakes by leaving out a few really talented players in favor of 19 year olds.
does anyone know what happened to last years very highly touted propect, who was ripping at the beginning of last year, but I have heard almost nothing since
Marcus Sorenson from Sweden, is he on the WJ team?
thanks
They should pair Kuba - Lee and switch Karlsson to centre Line 3 !!
Would be awesome to see Karlsson as a forward, as he plays on defence like a forward !Put him as 3c !!
Cowen - Gonchar
Kuba - Lee
Phillips - Carkner
only if there are long term injuries - we are already carrying 7 dmen
I don't know about Sorenson but Claesson is on the roster. Oh man, I can't wait until the WJC begins!
Greening-Spezza-Alfredsson
Foligno-Turris-Condra
Daugavins-Smith-Neil
Konopka-Butler
Kuba-Karlsson
Cowen-Gonchar
Phillips-Carkner
Lee
I think he is more than replacing Heatley, and is a key member on this team !!
He will get hurt , but he will play a lot more than he will get hurt !
He is hurt often, but my biggest concern is his play when he's 80 or 90%, he is only effective when he's 100% IMO
Hate to say I told you so but you guessed it...
IF we can ship him out for a 7 round pick I would be happy.
Until he scores 50 goals or helps us make the Cup final, Michalek hasnt replaced Heatley, man that is abusrd talk...
well we all know that you hating saying i told you so is a lie, but yes you, amongst others, suggested that regin was effectively done as a senator this year
I don't think he's even tradeable.
Ok, so if I understand you correctly - the only way the Michalek trade looks good, going forward, is if he manages to duplicate what Heatley did in the PAST. Nothing to do with how Michalek matches up with Heatley right now, right?
Interesting way to judge a trade...
I agree. I think most GMs will assume that he won't be re-signed by the senators and will be a UFA at the end of the year.
I don't think he's the sort of player that a playoff bound team would want as a rental, nor do I believe he is good enough to waste a pick on so that you have an "inside track" on negotiating with him.
Looking forward to a fast game tonight, Panther's play with the same type of speed Ottawa does so it should be entertaining. Go Sens Go!!
Heatley was a 50 goal scorer twice because of Spezza and Alfie. Garbage scorer parked in shooting gallery,with his one-timer.
Has been dropping after being in San Jose 2 years, and is
never going to get more tha 25-30 goals, for rest of his
playing time wherever that maybe>
Michalek is getting much better, while Heatley is in decline mode!
WRONG<
Never said, what you said, I said.
Read it again Boom !
The team from America's Wang (Florida), will come up flacid tonight against the mighty Sens!
WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
~Peluso
Perhaps you should "read it again"...I was responding to Tookie. If I'm not mistaken, you and I are in agreement...
Hopefully tonight Butler gets put on a decent line I'd like to see him with Turris feel like it would be a perfect match since they both got a lot to prove.
By this logic we should trade Michalek for Gretzky because in the past that dude ran some numbers. If Heatley had the value you accredit then he would have scored 50 and led the Sens to the cup final his last year here. He didn't.
The proper assessment of the trade is as such: At this point in time is MM and his salary better for the Sens than Heatley and his salary.
I don't think you should stop drinking unless they promise you start. Fair is fair.
Too many quotes in your reply,
If you look at last quote, it was directed at Snoopy Senior
and that is why I was some upset.
Anyways Boom , I always respect your posts,as they are mostly accurate and to the point !
I think you're right. I like Lee up front, and me in the press box, Texas Mickey in the seat beside me.
Saying that - my call is Lee up front. We've seen it before haven't we?
BTW - my thoughts have always been that Fair is Fair, except when it's concerning the fare for the fair (for Liz Phair?)
Yeah, I know what you mean - sometimes it's hard to determine who said what in some of these posts. No harm done, either way. In this instance, however, I was responding to Tookie's ridiculous interpretation of the trade...
there is no need to worry about Regin's long term outlook from the perspective of his future with the senators, he'll be more valuable to the senators next year when his roster spot can be taken by somebody who actually has a future with the team.
Regin showed some promise, then had a crappy year along with the rest of the team and then came back this year from injury and looked pretty good. Give the guy a chance already. If he comes back like Cheechoo did after his surgeries and can't play to a high level any more then so be it. I just think it is too soon to pass judgement on him.
Guess my mind is too far fetched, and Karlsson will never play forward ??
Some players in the past, and I remember one in particular was excellent as both a defenceman and a centre was Red Kelly for the Leafs. Ther were a few more, but I cannot recall them.
I think Maclean will have a 4th line of :
Lee - Konopka - Butler
There goes my illusion !
Thats a nice sentiment, but the only reason anyone may be kicking him while he's down is because we rarely get an opportunity to kick him while he's up.
honestly, he's done fuck all except score 1 flashy goal. I don't even know why he's on the team. I don't know why any of you like him. And I don't know why it matters that he's injured, he doesn't make our team better anyways.
you know who has way more potential than Regin?
Butler.
and ya, maybe the BB16 isnt adapting to macleans system, or maybe he didnt get in good enough shape over the summer, but he DOES have a way higher ceiling and I can't stand Regin being in the lineup while Butler sits.
Greening - Spezza - Alfredson
Foligno - Turris - Butler
Condra - Z. Smith - Neil
Daugavins - Konopka - Carkner
Cowen - Gonchar
Kuba - Karlsson
Phillips - Lee
Anderson - Auld
Yes, what does it matter what Heatley does from when he got traded to when he dies, he's not playing for us, its what he DID do for us that matters, nothing else.
Michalek can only be compared to what Heatley DID as a Senator, not as a Shark or a Wild. Heatley' time here was spectacular, people were singing his praises all over town, we were gonna win a Cup with this guy, then a slew of idiotic coaches followed, capped by Clouston...So he pulled a Turris and bailed.
Milan was doing well, he could have reached 45-50 but now its out of reach and now he's concussed...
Hey Tookie not only has he better replaced him... I say one for one we won that trade hands down! I would take MM9 over "I'm superstar Dany Fukin Heatley" any day.
Your comments are are far more absurd... IMO of course
Whilst it's difficult to assess how Heatley would be doing with the sens now it is clear that he's not as effective as he was
Would i prefer to have the 50 goal scorer that Heatley was instead of the Michalek we have now? Yes. But I don't think Heatley can be that guy anymore. Weighing up different things that the players currently provide I would prefer to have Michalek.
The cap room he provides helps us, his work ethic helps us. The fact that he's not a giant douchebag helps us. Clouston did not help the situation but nor did Heatley or his agent.
Before the trade request I felt we had to move one of Spezza or Heatley because of cap issues and I would have preferred Heatley to move. I don't think we got fair value in the actual trade but I'm glad Heatley is no longer a senator and I don't think we have done as badly out of the trade as it looked like we were going to.
LMAO, unlike tookie, that's really clever!
I said it earlier this year, he had a bad season last year, as did everyone, and had to prove himself this year.
He started off well and then went down with what should have been a season ending injury, but could not afford to, as this is his UFA year, and must prove his position.
Came back too soon, and now is in some serious trouble.
Best case for both Sens and Regin, if indeed it is shoulder again, take the year off, sign a one year deal, in hopes of making it on the bottom 2 lines, and re establish himself.
Really sorry to see his deminished role.
Good luck Regin
Amyway, something just made me think of that. I wonder what it was?
For your info, you love stats, right !
Heatley has played all 35 games of the Wild, and has 9 goals to date, and only 13 assists, for 22 points !
Today's Senators have 5 players with 9 or more goals :
Michalek 19 in 31 games ,could hit 50 or more.
Spezza 12
Foligno 10
Alfredsson 9
Smith 9
He was more than lucky, to attain 50 goals twice, with great teammates, he is a crook, who stole $4 million from Melnyk, on the advice of San Jose GM !!
He was and is, totally conceited, and pure garbage !!
At training camp when he showed up, wanting out of Ottawa, Murray looked him in the eye, and knew right away, he had to trade this cancer, out of the dressing room !
End of his status, as a possible "elite player and super star "
OMG,
Read my other post Tookie!
I think you are the concussed one !!
We have bottom 6 forwards falling out all over the place.
fwds already signed to 1 way deals for next year - Spezza, Alfie, Michalek, Neil, Turris, Butler, Greening, Smith, Condra - add Foligno and maybe one of Winchester or Konopka - that makes 11. Da Costa might be looking for a 1 way deal (shouldn't get it IMO). We still retain Filatov's rights.
Zbad, Silfverburg, Stone, Petersson are all already contracted on 2 way deals for next year. The priority should be seeing what some of these players can do in the NHL not hoping Regin rediscovers himself, even if he does he does not have a long or even medium term future with the senators. Other players have gone past him.
There just isn't the room for Regin unless he takes a 2 way deal which isn't going to happen.
I thought he's already had surgery on it twice.
This season I mean. Chose to go the rehab route and put the surgery off. Looks like a bad decision at this point.
That! That is the most idiotic mentality I ever heard. I could go into more details and explain the "why"...but I think you're trolling today, so I won't.
It is, if you are waiting for July 1st, to get paid by team who you are with, instead of accepting deal from new team ,
who said to Heatley ( let Ottawa pay you the $4 million, on July 1, and stall to sign your contract with us )( San Jose)
It's known as collusion and thus = stealing !!
Heatley = meat
Tookie = meat
Any further confirmation, regarding final projected lineup
for tonite's game from any of your reliable sources, including an update from Coch MacLean !??
Will Brian Lee leave the original pairings as is, and play
LW on line of :
Lee - Konopka - Butler
Let us know, as we are all too anxious and becoming more than impatient !
His contract stated that on 1 July his employers would owe him 4 million dollars. What he did was ensure that employer A rather than employer B paid him the money that he was legally and contractually owed.
It's despicable, underhand and immoral absolutely. Still isn't stealing though.
More like One Trick DONKEY
dont call him a donkey, he's a fuckin all star
how about we draft yakupov or forsberg?
Can't say I'm surprised about Regin.
While I'm at it, i think Crosby is done as well.
"I'm Dany f*ckin Heatley!"
Apparently he demanded a trade from SJ because the California sun was burning his cyclops eyeball/retina.
that's why he calls himself Dany.
In the short-term Ottawa lost the deal. Cheechoo took up the extra cap space and Michalek was held back from his potential by injuries. It may have cost Ottawa a serious playoff run when you consider we pushed the Pens to 6 games with Michalek not playing in a year where Heater scored 39 goals and 82 points.
In the long-term Ottawa has clearly won the deal. We have the cheaper, younger, more productive player. In addition to this Michalek is a better skater, more physical player, and his far superior defensively.
So yes in the short-term Ottawa lost out one or perhaps two seasons of high production from Heatley. In the long-run Ottawa gains perhaps many more productive and quality seasons from Michalek. Remember also that as the team improves around Spezza and Michalek their production should increase.
BAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHA... . of COURSE it is. Apostle, you beauty.
Heatley is a pecker-head.
Not that it matters but why dont you go look in what position the Wild are in then get back to me...
It doesnt matter what Heatley is doing now, its what he's done with US that matters, get that through your head, with Heatley and Co. we were contenders until the coach situation.
With Michalek and Co. were struggling to stay between 8th and 12th.
@ The Apostle,
Sharks GM Doug Wilson, an Ottawa native, probably said to Heatley, that they would make a deal after July 1, so that the Sharks would not have to pay this bonus to Heatley, but that the Senators had to pay it onor before July1.
Hahahaha. Now I'm trying to remember what Fonzie did that was wrong...
Given that it's a contract year it's possible that he would rather rehab/play through it than have surgery which could have meant missing an extended amount of playing time.
Shame it hasn't worked out for him, but I think we are better letting him go to free agency than signing him to another contract.
He'll definitely go for surgery now and if he's smart he'll start flogging the dolphin with the injured arm, slowly rehab some strength back into it.
I feel terrible for Regin, he seems so anxious to come back and play and seems to be carrying such a good attitude... I hope it doesn't remain a mystery to us the caliber of player he could have been, I hope he comes back healthy for another shot next season.
Tookie tell me something, if we still had Heatley do you think we would have made the playoffs last year, or that we would be in better position right now? That's sure as hell what your argument sounds like you're saying.
Heatley was great for us, there's no denying that, but he's been on a steady decline, whereas Milan is on his way up. I'm happy he's long gone/ He's no longer the player he was on the Sens.
It would be interesting at least. I don't think we've had a player swap positions like that since good old Christoph Schubert.
I don't think you could summarize the trade much better than this. Nice post.
Quiet before we recommend that your doctor neuter you. Haha.
And what do you think made him decline? could it be not working hard enough, after scoring back to back 50 goals? possibly, could it be terrible goaltending and having no faith in it, possibly could it be the coach at the time, we all know Clouston and Heatley didnt like each other.
If Clouston was never hired and MacLean would be in after our Cup run, then yes I think Heatley would still be hitting 40+ goals on this team and playing like his old self.
The roller coaster that followed did him in I think and to his own fault, he should have stayed, he would have been a force with Spezza for years to come.
Carkner was converted to defence during his years in the AHL from what I remember. I think it would be a pretty easy transition for him to play on the fourt line and he might enjoy the opportunity to bang some bodies in the attacking zone.
Got me - I will - just hit a "nerve" with me I guess
Actually if you look at it in a positive way, the sens made a very good trade because they are getting both players in their prime. So we get Heaters 2 50 goal seasons, something he is not capable of now, and we also get the better player of the two right now.
Streams anyone.
thanks in advance
It doesnt matter what Heatley is doing now, its what he's done with US that matters, get that through your head, with Heatley and Co. we were contenders until the coach situation.
With Michalek and Co. were struggling to stay between 8th and 12th.
@ TOOKIE,
Since you are a Senators Season Ticket subscriber,a local business owner,and you stated that you sometimes give tickets to some employees, you should invite me to a game
of you choice, in order to have an opportunity to reach
common ground, and move forward positively, and thus become
100% "newly converted" from a tanker, to an achiever of
positive thinking, which I know you can attain in a short
time !!
Are you up to offer such a reasonable and common ground solution ??
Who has or has had the biggest impact as a Senator.
Heatley
2005-2006 Senators 82 50 53 103
2006-2007 Senators 82 50 55 105
2007-2008 Senators 71 41 41 82
2008-2009 Senators 82 39 33 72
Michalek
2009-2010 Senators 66 22 12 34
2010-2011 Senators 66 18 15 33
2011-2012 Senators 31 19 6 25
I think your B-A-N-A-N-A-S if you say Michalek.
Hands down, couldnt be any clearer.
man, if we limited ourselves to only productive posts it would be really fucking quiet in here
LOL, Changing your tune now are we, I see you looked up the Wild and saw that they are currently in 2nd place in the West and decided to put your tail between your legs and run!
There is no shame in retreating, atleast you'll live to fight another day.
...ok so this logic totally contradicts your posts regarding the Turris/Rundblad deal...Runblad hadn't really accomplished much (what 3pts and a -11??), already Turris has 1pt and +2, doesn't that put him on pace to eclipse what Rudblad did with us?
You are right about the "productive" comment. But let us argue about stuff we potentially have some insight on not Player X should have surgery on his brain - better do it now - because if he gets hit again he would have wished he had surgery before...
@ The Apostle,
Melnyk has been trying to sue Doug Wilson and the San Jose Sharks for collusion , but it has not gone to court yet !
U do realize Michalek has ONLY 6 assists, he couldnt pass a puck through a barn door. Atelast Hetley made other people around him better aswell with his 30+ assists, IF nobody feeds Michalek, he's useless.
Regin's always had the talent, just never panned out. Glad he won't be resigned past this season.
Yes cuz comparing D's to FW's is completely accurate.....(i nsert sarcasm font)
Turris will be playing fulltime at the 2C, barring injury, Rundblad couldnt even play 3 consecutive games.
Seems like we agree on this, I echo the same sentiments, tired of these glass made hockey players!
@ Tookie,
If you look at the upcoming big piture, and not the short term, Michalek is reversing the tide, and will after 8-10 years, catch up and surpass Heatley's 2 100 point seasons,
and it is starting this year !
The proposed deal to Edmonton then fell through thanks to Heatley which left San Jose as the only game in town. I can well imagine that Wilson spoke to his agents and said we are interested in signing Heatley but we aren't going to pay the bonus. You'll get that bonus anyway so sit tight. I agree that that is collusion. However collusion is not in itself always illegal.
Heatley and SJ put Melnyk and Murray in an untenable position by utilising the existing contract Heatley had with the Senators. It was dirty, underhand and I hated it. It was also sound business sense on behalf of SJ.
Nowhere did they steal money from Melnyk. Yes they colluded, but they didn't steal.
I respect your perseverance but must you continue to argue with a brick wall? Tookie will never agree with anyone, on any subject. Stop wasting your breath attempting to change his mind.
Heatley is a pecker-head.
Thank you Peluso.
Everyone else, please stand down. My head hurts.
Your argument based on past performance is completely flawed. What the players did before they were traded is irrelevant. The only information that matters is what occurred after the players were traded. You cannot argue that Heatley would have continued to be a great player in Ottawa. San Jose had just as much talent supporting him if not more and he entered his decline with that team.
Heatley is not the player he used to be. The Senators lost the deal in the short-term but they're looking to book a win over the long-term.
It's simple. In 2009-10 and 2010-11 Heatley was the better player to have. This year Michalek is the more valuable player. I expect that trend will continue along with Heatley's decline and Michalek's rise.
My god you're a douche. It's called being the trigger man. Pucks to the back of the net. Heatley wishes he had 19 goals and 6 assists. I bet you half heatleys assists are his linemates smacking in rebounds anyways. The thing about michalek is he buries and if you dont think he makes the players around him look good by fnishing off their plays you're blind sir. and saying Michalek is useless if nobody feeds him is just ignorance.
Past performance does not equal future.
I do however agree that Michalek has not excelled in assists this year, I don't care much has long as he keeps putting them in the back of net.
I always thought Michalek was sort of a lone player but I have to say he has impressed me this year in goals regardless.
more of a sniper than a passer.
Thats all uncertain, you cant prove it and looking at his track record, it doesnt look good. Also, your saying he's playing 8-10 more years....LMFAO!!!
Now you just lost all credibility, you usually dont say dumb stuff like that but I'll let it slide this time.
Michalek hasnt played a full season since his rookie year where he played 81 games, its been a steady decline since then. Bogged down by knee injuries and now a concussion. Do you really think he will play 8-10 more years, seriously, think about it. The type of player he is, I'll be surprised if we gets 3 more years out of him before he breaks down.
Im not talking about years to come, can you read? the debate was, has Michalek replaced Heatley production as of NOW!.
The stats are too heavily in Heatley's favor to say otherwise, Michalek hasnt done anything to replace Heatley's past production. It doesnt matter what Heatley does in SJ or Min, its what he did in Ottawa that Michalek has to fill.
Its simple really...
Prove me wrong then?
How many goals has he score unassisted?
How many goals was he the first assist on?
Take away Spezza assists that resulted in a Michalek goal, how many would he have?
milan brings more than just scoring goals. he actaully does something called forechecking rather than floating in the neutral zone waiting for spezza to set him up for a one timer. only thing heater DID better than almost anyone in the league at the time was one timers. and for your comment saying we were higher in standings with heater than with milan now. that comment will be invalid in a year or 2 when we are exiting the rebuild...
obviously different positions, but Rundblad was touted as an offensive (ie gets points!) defenseman, and again i ask why you were so opposed to this deal when by your statements regarding the Heatley/Michale k deal supports it? Before going off on everyone about Turris, should't you wait to see what he does as a Senator first?...i mean thats your logic with Michalek...
Tooks, thanks for killing this message board today. Good job.
Again uncertainty looming...
Michalek hasnt played a full season since his rookie year where he played 81 games, its been a steady decline since then. Bogged down by knee injuries and now a concussion. Do you really think he will play 8-10 more years, seriously, think about it. The type of player he is, I'll be surprised if we gets 3 more years out of him before he breaks down.
@ Tookie,
Guess you just avoided my request to be your guest for an upcoming game ??
Yoiu are without a doubt the most stubborn human I have ever crossed paths with !
Michalek is only 27, and has had injuries, but he is not
out of hockey in 3 years.
So, as much as I have had fun debating you, I will now take the advice of an earlier sane poster, and raise the white flag !!
Nortel....hell no...I buy Gold and Silver. Stocks are for simpletonsQuoting Spinorama:
Yes because you had a better debate going, right? If you have one go right ahead, dont let me stop you.
Yes because you had a better debate going, right? If you have one go right ahead, dont let me stop you.
Dude, You'll just end up changing it into Milan vs Heatley or we are losing out on Yakupov. You used to bring up good points but now you just re-hash the same repetitive arguments over and over.
Snoopy, there is no way this Tookster has any investments let alone any money. Guy is a pitiful little man. Doesn't have a job by the number of posts he's put up today either.
At least I have Chris Rock doing it instead of Xtina Aguamalaria, or Qwen Stuuf-in-me, or whoever sang it...
See Rock here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZha8DXS-Cs (please watch at work, and turn up volume)
GO SENS! EEEFFFF YYYOUUUUUUU FLORRRIDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Last game with the old Tron!!!! TRON FUNKIN BLOWS!
~Peluso
Lineup you have above is OK and only change I would add is Line 4 :
Konopka - Butler - Lee
You tell me stats boy. you're the one who has them all hidden in ur ass.
Anyways. Who think Turris is going to get his first goal in a sens jersey tonight?
is greening a true top 6 player?
my answer is not very clear, he has great hockey IQ and size, he has average hands but doesnt have that scoring touch. i personally compare him to tomas holmstrom, a guy who grinds on the top 6 and hits ~20 goals on most seasons. or he might develope and really turn out to a true top 6 and be more liek ryan clowe and hit closer to 25.
or he can just be a grinder on the 3rd line.
i guess my answer is more yes than no, although on a good team its a easy no.
If Filatov could of waited, he could of played tonight but no, all he wants is money..
They will probably just rotate a centre to that line 4, wont see much minutes anyways.
Good line up for tonight, can FLorida really be this good? Nah!
I'm glad you asked - I remember saying than Greening looked good during training camp of 2009-2010, so I have always liked him BUT I think it's a stretch to say he's a legit top 6 guy. Spezza is playing lights out right now, but I'd love to see someone else get a change to line up with him. I see Greening as a good third-line power winger....
Panthers Injuries
Scottie Upshall
Marcel Goc
Jack Skille
Sean Bergenheim
Mikael Samuelsson
Marco Sturm
On tonights game I predict Sens will get this one 4-2. Predictions anyone?
In the long term, I think he is best suited for the third line. When we fill out or top six, I think Greening, Smith and Condra will be an awesome third line. Size, grit and a little bit of skill.
Too bad, that Filatov is like about 80% of Russian hockey
players who break into the NHL.
A Canadian hockey player dreams of winning and raising a Sranley Cup, while a Russian does not want a Stanley Cup, but dreams of money all the time.
Filatov is in the 80% group !
I agree, on a team with more forward scoring depth greening is for sure a 3rd liner. But I think he's doing a bang up job as a temporary top 6 guy.
he could play alright there
seriously though, perhaps they can call up Andre Petersson, as he seems to be playing well
bingo already has plenty of injuries, they cant even fill up their roster, and the only dman that might play winger is carkner on the 4th line
you are sayiing Hately made Spezza and Alfie better... this is what prompt people to call you names Tookie.
Hately has done shit since he left them, whereas Alfie and Spezza still play fine without him.
WRONG here Took!
Didn't realize how many injuries they had.
We really have no reason to complain about Regin and Winchester. Some teams have it tough.
This will only give more opportunity for BB16 and Turris to prove themselves imo.
Petersson is out with injury anyway.
I think that's what Wilson was counting on... more 50 goal seasons. He did not get that.. and considering the cap hit of Heatley -- saw the decision to trade him. Turned out well for Minny... but for SJ... Havlat is out again... that guy is as fragile as Leclaire this season.
Heatley has 9 of his teams' goals I believe.. so he is not the sole reason the Wild are winning. A lot is there great D and decent goaltending. And they have lost some games without Mikko Koivu...who is out of the lineup injured.
I'm just glad the Sens don't have that cap hit...
Now you just lost all credibility, you usually dont say dumb stuff like that but I'll let it slide this time.
Michalek hasnt played a full season since his rookie year where he played 81 games, its been a steady decline since then. Bogged down by knee injuries and now a concussion. Do you really think he will play 8-10 more years, seriously, think about it. The type of player he is, I'll be surprised if we gets 3 more years out of him before he breaks down.
And you are saying he won't? You know that for sure?
I wonder if it has anything to do with the Sens being tied with the Laffs in the conference.
Hmmmmm....
http://atdhe.tv/
All games every night enjoy Merry Xmas
obviously he is sure, i mean look at our own damn captain. his only full season was in his rookie year, thats why his career was so short...
you sir are a gentleman and a scholar!!!! merry xmas indeed!!
Tookie, you're realistic to a fault but I appreciate your outlook.
Snoopy Senior, I appreciate your input and think you make compelling arguments.
For the love of all that is good and holy can you guys please shut up and stop arguing? I'm trying to read through 120+ comments from people that I really want to hear from and there's like 50 posts between the two of you, it's really dragging this place down.
Sorry for stepping on toes, but this needs to be said.
Can't be assed to read this juvenile, assinine, redundant bs day in and day out
Will check this place out again after the holidays...hope fully it returns to its former self.
Will enjoy kicking all your asses in the pool some more though....
Honestly one of the things that made this site so great before was the limited content(quality control), someone who was knowledgeable and has at least some level of inside scoop(chirp), and the quality of after discussion
Now day in and at out the same 2-3 clowns argue about the same 2-3 things.
Have a coke and a twinkie...take a deep breathe, and then tune in at 7:30 and let out a long sigh with "ahhhhh....go sens go".
It's theraputic...gi ve it a shot.
Enjoy the game bud.
No deep breath needed...just miss the quality of discussion on the old site...even with annon posters
GO SENS GO!
Thanks
Merry christmas back and thanks for the feed.
I feel stupid but I can't figure how to get it full screen any idea
Neil from Karlsson and Alfie.
Unlike the rest of the team, Gonchar's been bad defensively. Too lax.
I apologize , but in the same breath, I will simply point out to those few complainers, that I try and tried to reason with Tookie, offered him an olive branch, to stop this BS, and he is simply too stubborn.
I then raised a White Flag hours ago, which you might have read or not.
Sorry Chirp, but I will never again debate with Tookie,
who is the epitomy of never ending sel-gratificati on, and
his postings of condscending statements to further his
asinine convictions.
Tookie,you deserve a medal to pin on your forehead !
SALUT MON GRAND FANAL !!
The puck was right between them. Unfucking believable!
This league's ridiculous though.
The fact that there wasn't any punishment for the guy who hit Winchester proves it. Shanahan's a joke and the refs are a joke. Sens don't catch any breaks.
They're worried because we're right behind their favourite sons in the standings and they have the CN Tower so far up their asses they can't believe they may have to televise some playoff games from Ontario this year, but not in the city they were hoping for.
F'n bullshit. This league is becoming a gong show with penalties and suspensions. Refs are so fucking confused about how to do their jobs. If they don't see the play, why can't they do the replays??
But like that does anything anyways...
instead we lose a player on a guess, good strategy NHL
The Sens are outplaying the Panthers and should win this game.
GO SENS GO
I agree with this, there's absolutely no accoutability when it comes to what calls the refs are making. Bad calls can make or break a game and that Foligno hit was clean, Panthers player head was down and he was losing his footing going to fast behind the net while still maintaining puck posession. Foligno could have seriously fucked him up if he decided not to turn his back last second...
I don't want to be one of those guys that blames everything on the refs, but this league needs a serious reform in how the games are officiated. They need an off-ice ref that reviews replays quickly to make sure the calls are fair whenever there is any question....
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/World+juniors+Prince+doesn+think+fair+shake/5900769/story.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
All politics on team USA
Good read.. Hope he does use it as motivation and excels further.
Absolutely.
Surprised actually at how many CHL American players made it this year. Usually, team USA tends to "overlook" because of bias American born players that play in Canada.
Too bad for Prince. He's had a sick year with Ottawa so far.
Then again, Tiffoli didn't make it too. It happens.
All the more reason to boo the shit out of the americans.
For sure, tough year for Tiffoli, connelly and smith-pelly being released, doesnt happen often and he would have been on the team!
And thus ends my ref rant for the night.
totally agree. why can't the players have public personalities? nothing wrong with shaking it up with the press once in a while. no press is bad press
steve loyd says mike hoffman will be here tomorrow vs the canes.
These.Refs.SUCK.
And Cowen for the Calder! Fuck the Nuge! I hate hyphenated names, and teenagers, hesucks!
It was Cowen who backed away.
Deflection off of Campbell's skate!
Friggin' diving clown. Looks good on ya.
GO SENS GO!
Turris seems to be fitting in alright at this point, 2 game winning set-ups in a row!
Also Karlsson... PAY THE MAN
GO SENS GO!!
Also stone with a goal and an assist so far. Pretty good night id say.
Anderson turned away a ton of pucks tonight.
My masterpiece being played on the old videoboard tonight. bit.ly/vyhL7Q #sens
http://vimeo.com/34054118
nice tribute to the ol' scoreboard
Haha! Stole your mom's Sarah McLaughlin album did ya??
Well done if this played during the game. 3 whole minutes too?
You should send this to Melnick. He'll surely be emotional as he's writing his cheque to Panasonic... : )
lol wtf?
he's missed most of the season already....
Um..ok everyone...rela x. Cleeeeary this was a flukey win by the Sens. Florida outplayed us. Foligno obviously left his feet and deserved that penalty. Sens are lucky that Panthers only scored 1 goal on that. Foligno is..umm...off my xmas list for that vicsious hit. And then...that goal by Alfie was cleeeary (reeeality) a flukey goal and should not have gone in. Fast forward to Butlers OT goal (where Turris should NOT have been on the ice..) and that again was a weak weak goal to win the game.
C' Mon guys...that was not a good game and not a good win. "Reality check" everyone.
Ok...back to me. Go Sens ffff'n GOOOO!
P.s. FU T19
not sure if this is trolling or tookie changed his name to "IcySurfas"
GSG!!
And Merry Xmas everyone!!
p.s. Lets cap it off with a win in the Canes own barn tomorrow!!
I actually get to enjoy this win twice tonight cause my wife gets home soon from her late shift and doesnt know the final score. So I got the PVR waiting at the beginning of the 3rd and Im going to play dumb when she gets home saying I don't know the score. Sounds dumb...but this is something we always enjoyed together before she got late shifts. So I will play it off and cheer "again" for every goal including the OT winner. The smile on her face after Butler scores will make my "fake-out" all worth it.
Maybe other married men will understand.
Cheers ya'll!
3 points tonight!
That Timmies coffee on Friday mornings on the way to work just tastes so much sweeter.
P.s. Turris is looking to fit in just fine!!
Once again.....GS.....GOOOOOOOO!!
p.s. "Fail-wishers" should give it a try once in a while. C'mon negative nancy's....say it for old times sake...Go....Se ns...(you can finish it...c'mon)
Fuck Team USA.
Well said.
Everybody from the management onwards has allowed for a great season.
Remember when everybody projected the Sens to be bottom feeders that will struggle to score goals?
Yeah, fuck those people.
GO SENS GO
Alfie was huge tonight.
Though Butler is so terrible. Fluke OT goal aside he's been an abomination this year
Lets get another in Carolina...
Feel like maybe those two can get some chemistry goin' over the next few games.
Go Sens Go!
Damn it feels good to be a gangster.
good call. I can't believe coach didn't call my number.
once again....F*CK You pundits. enjoy the Sens diabolical climb up the standings gang, we're the team to watch right now.
Go fuckin Sens
~Peluso
You can also thank the refs for trying to keep the Sens out of the game.
Sens: 1
Tookie's lame ass excuse: 0
Zibanejad can move to wing (as he appears to be doing with Team Sweden) or drop to third line C.
just how pathetic our chances were at even keeping a team let alone winning,and why not they're not Sens fans there was no Sens 21 years ago ! lots of Habs fans Leaf fanatics Boston ,Edmonton,so it was easy to pick a guy every season to rag on Daigle ,Bonk drive Yashin out of town,a lot of other good players that got killed by the Citizen and Sun
and like lemmings every one repeats whats been written about individuals instead of watching the game and forming there own opinion on the whole team ,you don't need a Regin,or Filatov or Butler or Phillips rant to justify your happiness at our current standings just be patient and less negative about Your team and say GOSENSGO
@ CHIRP,
Enough is enough !!!!!!!!!
Will write you sometime today, with what happened on your SensChirp site, that seriously needs your total consideration!
Bob
On a funny note, I dislike Pierre Mcguire as much as anyone else here, BUT, I recall him raving about Karlsson the day we drafted him. He kept saying how good he was going to be and that we had a gem.
I'm not going to defend Butler's season, but he shouldn't be criticized for last night. Even before he scored I told to myself "Butler's having a good game!"
Beautiful save by Condra!!!
Couldn't stop laughing at Campbell's defelection in his own net after flapping his arms like a chicken on that dive earlier. Douchebag.
@ CHIRP,
Thought the post I inserted above was more than appropriate
to calm the disturbed guys like Tcharger, whom I respect
but he really went over the top with a slurred attack , that has no merit !
Bob
They played Switzerland man, not Sweden or Russia, LOL...
The game hadnt even started and it was talks of a 10-0 blowout...
His skating is still bad, he goes to the net and bangs home rebound, makes you think of someone?
Spin,
Even having missed a few games the guy is still top five in the league in goal scoring. This isn't a 5 games into the season anomaly this is a third of the way into the season.
Only you would bitch that such a goal producer should have more assists. That's right. Only you.
Garbage goals are still goals. Stone is smart to realize that. If everybody in the league could get them, they would. 65 points in 33 WHL games....
Rockin' Robert - the post you replied to is what the kids call "sarcasm". Icysurfas was mocking Tookie (hence the PS).
Get frustrated with Tookie if you like, but the site is fine. (Could use an ignore button though.)
To put it in your parlance: take a chill pill daddy-o!
Absolutely agree. This is the Internets FFS, bound to have some chippy discussions and pissed off people now and then, it's inevitable.
Rockin' Robert - the post you replied to is what the kids call "sarcasm". Icysurfas was mocking Tookie (hence the PS).
@ Hax,
I know you are a lot calmer than some posters on here, but the fact remains that our negative nancy is nothing but a conceited, self-gratifying garbage writer, who loves to take over a site.
Check out his last 3-4 posts as of this morning ,especially where he says" I go away for 3-4 hours,and the site goes to shit " !!
I have decided to quit replying to this stubborn Heatley -like human !
Hmmmm...not sure what league you usually watch, but the one thing I hear coaches, analysts, GM's say: "WE NEED OUR GUYS TO GO IN FRONT OF THE NET IN THE DANGEROUS AREAS AND GET US SOME UGLY GOALS".
On Michalek's Goal vs Assist ratio: (I'm not going to say any names). Anyone, ANYONE...who has watched a Sens game and knows anything about hockey, know that Michalek DOES NOT sit in front of the net and waits for an easy pass from Spezza to put into the net. THIS GUY creates his own chances!! He charges in from the neutral zone with a tonne of speed and goes to the net with a hell of a shot. He hits, he gets dirty, is fast, has a great shot, creates energy...create s, creates, creates!!! You have to be a dummy to say he's this good because of Spezza. I'm not going to compare him to Heatley, as they are very different players.
Actually, all you have to be is a troll.
Merry Christmas
I agree, man people are soft skinned! I respect everyone here and their opinions, the site is just fine, if we would go back to the old blog, Chirp would have to close the site due to lack of hits...you can thank me later SC!!
Anyways to close off, Sens are doing much better than I expected, it might be the coffey and baileys speaking but I do wish you and yours a wonderful X-mas and happy New Year.
Who knows I might be a changed man after the holidays :)
Actually thats who I had in mind, Stone is Heatley 2.0 IMO.
I know you are trying to compare Heatly to Stone, and I see where you are coming from but:
1) I was referring to Michalek when I said I didn't want to compare the two.
2) As much as I enjoyed Heatley when he was sniping off Spezza passes for us, I don't entirely agree with the Stone/Heatly comparisson. Heatly was probably a better finisher, but played a more passive game than Stone. Stone (from what I've seen in pre-season only I have to admit) seems to be less passive, tries to create plays, and although not a fantastic skater gives a lot of his energy into finding himself in front of the net and not simply gets into an open area and wait for a pass. Now I'm not implying that one style is better than another, simply that I don't find your comparison to be true.
If he comes in without the douchebagary, I'm all for it!
Your logic for this comment is odd. Why should the position not go to whoever does it better? They're both centers. Quite frankly Zibanejad looked more naturally suited for the position to me. I have no problem with either Turris or Zibanejad taking the 2C spot. The other can move to the wing. Sure hasn't hurt Seguin.
Well I havent followed Stone like a Hawk either but I have see some BWK games on sportpack and must say the guy can score from anywhere, great shot, somewhat similar to Heatley in that aspect only, I agree with you that he tries to create, but his skating only permits so much. He's at his best when stationed in front of the net or to the side rdy for a one-timer. Both his goals in WJC are him being stationed infront of the net waiting for a pass and got the rebounds. Now lets not forget CAN played FIN and SWI, tonight will be a much truer test vs Sweden!
Cant wait!
That's bullshit Tookie, you've said he wouldn't make the NHL, now he's Heatley?
I guess the one of the few references I have from seeing him play, is from the pre-season with that amazing dangle where he passed through 2 d-men and scored a beauty (forget against who though).
And lets not forget most importantly, what other player was heavily criticized for his skating...OH YEAH!!! Cowan...they're kids, let them develop.
" guess the one of the few references I have from seeing him play, is from the pre-season with that amazing dangle where he passed through 2 d-men and scored a beauty (forget against who though)."
Better yet, it was against the Laffs...
By the way, the player he reminds me of is Rick Nash...
Show me where I've said that, never have I said Stone wont make the NHL, I've said he must improve his skating if he wants to be a legit top 6 for us.
THIS !
Hey Gordon,
Could you expand on your 1 word answer ??
I'd be happier than a pig in shit if Stone could put up points like Heatley did for the Sens...We have lots of fast guys, we need a legit sniper to rack up some garbage goals....
Are you posting Game Day thread soon ??
Sens probably did not have the morning skate, and should
be rested for tonite's game
I agree totally, if we could get anything close to what Heatley put up, we're golden! Its kinda riding on Michalek and Stone right now for snipers...Hopef ully Pageau becomes similar to Giroux!!
Peumpel is a sniper too! Don't forget.