You really have to admire the effort Kyle Turris put in tonight, He hustled all over the ice and showed flashes of blazing speed in over 16 minutes of ice time. More importantly, it was a strong play by Turris that led to the eventual game winner by the game's first star, Erik Condra.
Turris went 7 for 9 in the faceoff circle and was a +2. One of those small things you may not notice watching the game on television was the reaction of Turris after his assist. He was clearly exited and linemate Nick Foligno gave him a push and let him lead the team back to the bench to celebrate the goal.
You could tell it was a moment that meant a lot to Turris. After the game Turris mentioned how much he appreciated the support in his Sens debut and said it "felt like home".
On a night where the spotlight was shining directly on Kyle Turris, I thought Jason Spezza played one of his better games of the season. That may seem like an exaggeration on a night where Spezza picked up a single assist but I really thought he was at his puck possession best tonight. By far the best player on the ice.
Wasn't the most entertaining game through 40 minutes but the Sens were clearly the better team. The Sabres are really banged up right now but with this was still an impressive win for the Ottawa Senators. With the win, Ottawa has caught the Toronto Maple Leafs for second place in the Northeast Division.
Not really Senators related but it's interesting to note that David Rundblad was a healthy scratch for the Phoenix Coyotes tonight.
Obviously wasn't all good news for the home side as centre Jesse Winchester left the game with a concussion. He was run from behind by Sabres forward Paul Gaustad on a play that has to be reviewed by Brendan Shanahan.
I'm sure Heatley was excited to be here too.. Until that f*ck head Clouston took over and dropped the team by the head with his style of "coaching".
Good game, boys worked hard. Was interesting to see Redden in the building.. Is he the highest paid player not in the NHL currently?
I'd like to see Turris play on the first powerplay unit with Spezza. Everyone raves about how great his shot is and I think he could do serious damage playing with a great set up guy like Spezza on the powerplay.
Who's next? The Panthers on Thursday? Should be a good test to see how we match up against one of the better teams in the conference. I can't believe I just referred to Florida as a good team?!
The road to the playoffs is going to be a tough one, but I'm starting to believe it could happen.
I have to agree with you Chirp, I thought Spezza was controlling the tempo on almost every shift and was surprised he didn't get 3rd star in the building over Miller.
Nice solid game by Anderson as well, seemed to be playing the positions well and with confidence.
The Foligno-Turris- Condra line has some nice balance and it was great to see how excited Turris was. For a first game I'd give Turris a solid A, especially with that faceoff line.
We're winning the games we're supposed to and competing in most of the rest!
I know he held out on his team and maybe had a poor attitude, but I'm really trying to look at it in context. He seems like a guy who just wants to be appreciated. He knows what he's capable of and literally felt like Phoenix gave up on him. I hope he does feel at home here and he gels with the team really well.
Other than that, I felt like in one game he contributed as much or more than DR7 did. Although I'm a big fan of DR.
Turris will look great with Alfie when 9mm gets back.
I still hold my exitement for next year. But at least we do not have to watch the brutal hockey season we all thought we had to endure!
If we can finish above the Leafs that is a win for me this season.
Everyone in the building knew it was Turris that made the play and knew how much it meant to the kid.
if thats the case i wouldn't say that's a bad attitude. he just wanted to get out of (probably)the worst hockey market in the world. can't say i blame him for not enjoying things.
anyway, with turris and zibanejad we have 2 good chances at a top notch 2nd line center.
Id like to see our first pick go to best player available regardless of position...then go after a top level goalie prospect.
Yes, he's legit. Malcolm Subban is a solid goaltender playing with Belleville Bulls. He's the highest ranked goalie in this years draft. A number of places are ranking him in the first round. Another goalie usually ranked right around Subban is Oscar Dansk who plays in the Brynas system in the SEL (Silfverberg's team). It would be nice if Ottawa could get one of them, if they could trade for an early 2nd or a late 1st.
Darren Pang actually thinks he is a great kid and he should know because he lived with the Pang family for a few months. I think he wanted out of there at any cost and unfortunately may have gotten himself a bad rep for a while. I am sure things will change now that he is in Ottawa.
Great win last night... game was quite slow though. Loved Turris' play... K65 of course and can't forget Spezza!! Spezza is catching up in assists to K65 too!!
Anderson played quite well, wasn't tested too hard, but seemed comfortable!
Side note - Miller is a little bitch!!
Solid effort boys! Keep it up thru the back to back games Thursday and Friday!
The scary part about what you said... is we are playing .500 hockey... and it's YEAR 1 of the rebuild!!! Imagine, each year is only going to get better!!!
Cup to Ottawa is only a matter of time... hopefully Captain Alfie will be around to hoist it in 3 years!
Our top players played very well but our supporting cast were equally good. I loved Neil, Regin, Smith and Foligno's aggressive up tempo style of play.
And not many mentioned how great it was to have Gonchar and Kuba back. Aside for first period timing issues from Kuba, they played a quietly solid game in the defensive zone.
Anderson played a very quiet but efficient game in nets as well.
As I said, textbook game. This team is riding a wave of confidence right now. There's no reason they can't the 4 points before Christmas.
GO SENS!
He's actually still only 21. Just wait until we add a bit more talent to our top six forwards and our pp... Karlsson has the potential to be a point per game defenseman.
after playing a full year under Gretzky, it could not have been easy for Turris to be demoted by Tippet for the sencond year.
Frustrated he came back the following year to a deminished role, when all he did was do what was asked of him.
Realizing that he may not get a fair shake by Tippet and the Coyotes, he demanded a contract that he felt he should have recieved had he been given a fair shake.
So maybe he was justified in holding out, in hopes for a trade.
Secondly, is it possible that the Coyotes may have wanted to send Rundblad down to the AHL, after the trade, and then got the response from Rundblad's camp that he plays in the NHL or it is back to the SEL, and then he was made a scratch?
Just wondering.
Great debut by Turris, but a huge shout out to CONDRA, this guy does all the little things right, and can play anywhere he is our Kelly 2.0.
Have you heard of teams called Minnesota or Florida? Hell even the decimated teams of Philly and Pitts would go before Ottawa.
Wake up man.
Ah the sounds of a bitter man who will be proven wrong once again by our beloved Sens... Love it
Every time you bitch...it only brings a smile to my face cause it means our Sens are playing well
Keep it up Sens, all the way to the playoffs this year!
Clearly one is half chicken, and the other is half pig.
Can I just say...Turris is clearly a good player and has been taught all the little things it takes to be a good resposible every day nhl'er.
It doesn't matter that Rundblad will be a superstar because we just got one of our own.
Karlsson has enough pure offensive skill. All we need now are defensemen such as Cowen who are excellent defensively but can make a good solid pass up to the forwards. As much as its nice to have offense from the back end, its the forwards who need to score. Therfore solid Dmen who can make a good first pass is as all we need(when it comes to the D at least). There's a good chance that Rundblad becomes a serious threat with the puck like Karlsson but there's also a chance he never really becomes solid defensively. I loved Rundblad(mostly because of the damn youtube vid) but i still think we won that trade.
He ran first in line, to high five the players on the bench !! For an assist!! What can we expect from his first goal ??
He was like a young boy, excited to get his first point in his first game, as a Senator !!
When he develops chemistry, with whoever his linemates are, he will become the player, he was destined to be, when drafted 3rd overall !!
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like many fans, I am excited about Kyle Turris !
Sad that Tookie, and a few ( not many), are still negative about our new 2c !!
I was thinking the same thing. With the addition of Turris and how well our picks from last year are performing in the CHL, we no longer need to focus our first round pick on a forward. I'm sure Murray will draft the best player available with our first pick.
I'd also like us to draft another highly touted goalie in the draft. You can never have too many good goaltending prospects and right now we only have Lehner.
absolutely the play of Carkner, and the fact that PM loves his defensive play, is a big reason that Rundblad was expendable, I really love the way he plays in our own end, he has not fear of going back to get the puck and get hit to make a play, which cannot be said about most of our D-men right now.
just clarifying...wa s just making an observation, I liked his debut very much too. the one thing that I think benefits ottawa greatly in this trade is that he comes from one of the best defensive systems in the league in phoenix so there is no knock on him being a defensive liability at the 2C position. Combined with his upside and potential of being a really good 2LC, its a really safe trade. Ofcourse, this game is about scoring goals and being offensive and right now the upside of Rundblad's offensive skills blur peoples' and fans' perecption of the trade, but in time when turris delivers the full package he is capable of we will see the value. His snapper to create condra's goal last night was just a glimpse. Best of all he did not look out of place in his role last night.
just want to shout out to Cowen, Neil and Carkner for a solid physical game last night. They definitely intimidated the toothless sabres.
Great point on Carkner. Loved the shove that sent Pominville from one side of the face off circle to the other.
Well if your thiking of playing well is floundering between 8th and 12th and not being consistent then your right on.
just clarifying...wa s just making an observation, I liked his debut very much too. the one thing that I think benefits ottawa greatly in this trade is that he comes from one of the best defensive systems in the league in phoenix so there is no knock on him being a defensive liability at the 2C position. Combined with his upside and potential of being a really good 2LC, its a really safe trade. Ofcourse, this game is about scoring goals and being offensive and right now the upside of Rundblad's offensive skills blur peoples' and fans' perecption of the trade, but in time when turris delivers the full package he is capable of we will see the value. His snapper to create condra's goal last night was just a glimpse.
@ hq,
You and I are on same page, but Tookie is still trying to find our page !!
yes and a very far cry from you prediction of last place... all I am saying is the more they win the more you bitch, and the more they get into the playoffs...then anything can happen!
Go Sens Go
I admire your persistence Tookie but your posts the last few days reek of desperation. Why not just step back and acknowledge that the team is far better than you anticipated and has been playing inspired hockey under MacLean.
Cmon...Give it a try...It won't hurt a bit.
Hey Chirp,
Best offer of all time !!
Do you really believe that Tookie will reply ??
Negative Nancy at it again. Are you watching the same team as we are Tookie ?? McLean will definitely be nominated for the Jack Adams if the Sens make the playoffs. It's a no-brainer, kind of like you...
We all agree with you Miguel !!
I'm not negative, I'm realistic, he hasnt earned the 2C spot and has yet to prove anything in 131 regular season games.
Just cuz I dont pee man pants like some fans (thank God its not many) about Turris.
I cant comment on his progress until he's played 15-20 games
Admit that your are pissed that our Sens are now tied
with your Leafs. I would be pissed too.
Who thought that leafs would still be falling close to Xmas. Just like the old Xmas movie: Life is wonderful. LOL
Go SENS Go
Did you know, that he did not want to play, was demoted and had contract problems in Phoenix // Sure you did and know, so why post what you just did ??
I've admitted they are overachieving under MacLean, no doubt and I'll admit I am wrong at the end of the year if they are not a lottery team.
Yes and do you ask yourself why he was demoted? and why he had contract problems in the first place? Dont tell me Tippett came in and said "Hmmm u, I demote u, for no good reason" LOL
Maybe you should ask yourself that to begin with.
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Now you are simply stalling and buying time
Do not get me wrong, I love debating with you,
but sometimes you push too much, on your opinions and never accept responsibilitie s like most of us "positive fans " !!
It can really go either way, I just think consistency is not in our favor and will hurt us in the end.
Cheer for them! Root on the team! Cmon Tookie, how bout a Go Sens Go?!
Celebrate the successes of this team and stop trying to always bring them down (or as u call it being realistic). Reality is we're competing for a playoff spot and this team is way more consistent than a bottom 5 team would be.
He sort of plays the same smart style that Alfie plays. I was impressed - he played it close to the vest - to show his teammates that he's a responsible player. I'm sure we'll see bigger and better things soon. Let the kid PLAY!
I'm loving the leadership Foligno has been bringing this year. He has really filled in the missing void left behind by Fisher and Kelly. Foligno has done everything PM has asked for. Hehas played hard, and has even fought when needed. He isn't afraid to go in the dirty areas and I don't think its a coincidence it has played into his breakout performance
I can easily see him with an "A" once Phillips is gone
Great analysis !!
This should seal the whole Tookie scenario, and since he is a Season Ticket supporter, he now has an opportuniy to offer a "peace pipe" to SensChirp owner and his followers !!
GO TOOKIE GO !!!
What else do you want, they arent playing lights out, its not like we are in 1st, 4th or even 6th. We are 8th and barely holding on, 1 loss and we are in 12th, get my drift.
I admitted and admit now for YOU that they are playing much better than I anticipated but I still dont think they will finish anywhere near the playoffs like every other Sens bandwagon fan thinks...
And if you think making the playoffs in 8th spot and getting killed in the 1st round by the #1 seed gives our kids better experience going forward, your wrong, it doesnt and would be a huge waste of a killer draft.
It is better to finish as a lottery team and have a chance at a Franchise player for the future than hover around the 8th, 9th spot like the Leafs, you wanna be like them?
He's a pigman Jerry
At the end of the year he has said he will come out and say he was wrong if we don't finish in the bottom five. What more can he say on that? He's also already said that the team is over acheiving, that's as good as we can hope for at the moment.
The other side of the coin is, where are those who spoke of Filatov getting 30 goals this year - he might get them but they'll be KHL totals. What about the Condra's 40 points (could go either way). More hilariously where are those who had Rundblad as a surefire Calder nominee. The closest he'll get to the Calder this year is if Portland win it.
The main problem with Tookie is not what he says but how he says it.
Tookie stop pretending to be Santa Claus (St.NICK)
Yeah it is, for short term success...What happenes when Alfie retires next year, what happens when Spezza retires or Michalek or Karlsson gets traded cuz they ask for too much...
Your all thinking about NOW, which is ok but think about the future, we dont have 1 top tier player or Franchise player in our system.
Yakupov & Mackinnon are in the next 2 drafts, getting one of them would go a LONG way in helping us get a Cup in the future.
Oh btw, Russia won 6-3 vs USA, Yakupov 1g 2A.
Tookie !!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's all for me buddy!
You are just plain stubborn ,not stupid, just STUBBORN !!
I am going out to shop, and get my mind off this endless
debate and you can say what you want , this is my last comment to you Mr.Tookie.
Karlsson has a long way to go before he reaches Redden's level when he was good. Redden was a hell of a player before he went to crap
I completely agree with the Carkner comments. I always found him to be highly dependable as a 6th or 7th dman. In fact, he is pretty much the quintessesntial 6/7 d as he is reliable, great team guy and intimidates everyone. To me he is more valuable (to the team, long term)than Kuba, Lee and Gonchar. I hope he stays with the sens long term. Other teams would love to have Carkner.
^This^
I believe Snoopy and Miguel was one of them!
Also Johne, Condra is getting close to the 20pts I afforded him this year, haha, I might lose that bet by a few pts but gimme props for going so low!
Those that were saying he was a bust before we signed him haven't been proved wrong by anything that happened yesterday and those that were saying he is a top-notch player who just needs a chance haven't either.
The sensible thing to do is to see how he progresses and evaluate him properly after 30 or 40 games. That's what the team will be doing. The frst steps are listening to MacLean, learning the system and working hard. Once he's done that we can worry about point totals.
Yesterday was a great start. But that's all it was. It was great he got a point and hopefuly an early goal or two will take a load of the pressure off him. We didn't acquire him to help us win the SC this year. We got him so he could prove to us that he will be a cornerstone of this team in years to come. If he works hard and does what is asked of him he will get every chance to prove it.
But I have to admit Turris had a good game last night. It was only his 7th game of the season... and in his prior 6 he had no points.
One practice with his new team, new coach and new system.. he gets an assist on a very good play.. good on faceoffs and +2 for the night. So I'll give him the benefit on a doubt.
Hey Johne, are others finally seeing the good in Condra that you and I did at the beginning of the year?
And no comments on Alfie's 'stache?
Said goodbye to the old scoreboard last night... checking out the Sens Skills.. my first look at the new 'board'.
The team is in control of their own destiny. There's no way they'll finish lower in the standings than the Islanders, Hurricanes, Blue Jackets, Ducks, Oilers, Avs, Flames, and probably the Canadiens.
They'll likely be battling for the last two playoff spots with the Leafs, Sabres, Lightning, Jets, and Devils. Do I think they'll make the playoffs? No probably not, but they'll be closer to a playoff team than a lottery team, unless we're hit hard by injuries.
I also don't think the Sens pick 1st overall so it's a non-issue. If they don't get Forsberg... and they do pick in the lottery.. they are going defense...
Patience there Captain Nitpicker (hee hee)
Tookie loves to say he is being realistic, and well the reality is a #1 pick is almost just as hard to get as the Stanley Cup, because the Stanley Cup you can control, #1 pick you can't. So Tookie be realistic in knowing that any team with Anderson in goal, Young guns in Karlsson and Cowen, Stable vets in Spezza, Michalek and Alfie will never compete for a #1 pick regardless how bad the rest of the team is, barring injuries. bottom 5? maybe, 5-10? maybe. 10-20? good chance. Too many unknowns, and thats REALITY
That would be like passing up on Malkin just because he is Russian. Do you know how foolish that would be? Yakupov isn't the stereotypical Russian, and neither are Grigorenko or Galchenyuk.
It doesn't matter though, we won't be in position to draft Yakupov or Grigorenko, maybe Galchenyuk.
I know and thats whats frustrating, we have a great chance here to build for 10-15 years, instead we are content in being a bubble playoff team like the Leafs.
Winning the cup isn't going to make me support the team more and finishing 11th isn't going to make me support them less. I can see the logic in wanting to tank to get a better pick but I can't get close to wanting it to happen.
I don't care that much about players we don't draft or any player that wears a jersey that doesn't have our shitty logo on it (apart from the heritage logo - that's awesome)
I don't watch to see Crosby or Kane on a regular basis, i watch to see and support the sens, regardless of which 20 players are suited up on any given night. If the sens and leafs swapped rosters overnight I wouldn't suddenly become a leafs fan.
What do they say - it's the crest on the front, not the name on the back.
GO SENS GO is all that matters to me, win or lose.
The team is in control of their own destiny. There's no way they'll finish lower in the standings than the Islanders, Hurricanes, Blue Jackets, Ducks, Oilers, Avs, Flames, and probably the Canadiens.
They'll likely be battling for the last two playoff spots with the Leafs, Sabres, Lightning, Jets, and Devils. Do I think they'll make the playoffs? No
@ AFM11,
Love the way you approach Tookie !!
Smooth, but yet relentless on the tanking plan!
He named me in a previous post in a derogatory manner, but I was not the right target, so I did not challenge Tookie
after numerous posts that got me nowhere !
There are more possibilities than that, a trade is one of them. IF we are unable to get a deal done with Karlsson, I would wager my life that is worth a 1st round pick, that could land you Yak or Mac.
But there's nothing we can do about it. Maclean isn't going to stop coaching and the players aren't just going to give up.
When I was on the fail for nail bandwagon at the beginning of the season, it's because I truly believed that this team was bad enough on paper and on the ice that they'd be a bottom three team in the league. They've proven me wrong.
This isn't a lottery team.
So you would trade a 21 year old franchise dman that we have developed over 3 years into a premier dman for a #1 pick to have to develop again?
thats just a stupid cycle, by that token LA should have traded Doughty for RNH?
@ Alcatraz,
Did you forget, that I said in above post, that Tookie is STUBBORN ??
The glass half full guy would counter by saying that when we are supposed to be our worst, we are not, we are a playoff bubble team - how exciting! if this is year one of a rebuild, then you can assume this is the worst team we will ice going forward for 10-15 years. We have tonnes of prospects coming up and the core young guys we have now are only going to get better and mega prospect Robin Lehner hasnt even started playing yet. Spezza isnt retiring for 10 more years and will be able to produce at his current level for at least another 5 while leading the young guys. Where's the logic in saying that because we are a playoff bubble team now, we will be in perpetuity?
He's not going anywhere. My guess is he is resigned well before the season ends. 5 year, 28 mil.
Because Murray drafted him and because they have tons of cap space, you can bet Murray will do whatever to keep his man.
But if he was to be traded, he would be worth a ton. Even if he went to RFA and got an offer sheet, it'd be matched.
Very true, but like many others, its the final week before christmas, I begin holidays tomorrow in fact, and am counting the clock down from work. I am looking to pass time, and well Tookie's stubborness passes time better than a stripper passes STD's
However when Karlsson's contract is up I believe we will do what needs to be done to sign him to a new long term contract. The team are looking for Karlsson, along with Spezza and probably Cowen and Turris (there I said it) will become the new faces of the franchise to replace Alfie, Fisher, Phillips etc etc.
3 days ago most of you thought Turris was a terrible addition and said he's garbage and a cancer and will be the worst thing to happen to this team and you won't cheer for Ottawa anymore ETC ETC ETC - one assist later and its a 'love fest' and everyone wants to sleep with him
No wonder we have one of the worst fan bases in Canada - our fans are so back and forth, its sick. It ranks up there with all the people saying last summer they won't go to games because its a rebuild and the team sucks...
You make claims that the sens are a lottery team because you *want* them to be so we can get a better pick. Where is your justification in REALITY that the sens are actually a lottery team? Just because you think its better for the team long term does NOT make it TRUE (and no one will argue with you that getting a lottery pick would be great).
When will you acknowledge the difference between what you WANT and what is REALITY?
REALITY is that the Sens are contending for a playoff position. Want to argue that?
REALITY is that the Sens are performing better than expected (or as you put it - "over achieving"). At what point does their level of performance become just "achieving" (not over/under)?
You used to have some logic with your arguments, now you seem like you are just full of hot air.
Haha I bet they would love to do that now...EDM would be stupid to accept now.
Yes I would, IF we cant sign a player, what good is he to us, except in a trade. Karlsson is going to demand a shit load of money, IF we cant afford him, get the best possible return and that would be Yak or Mack (I dont believe any development will be required for those 2).
So similar to Turris/Phoenix situation that you threw him under the bus for?
What reasoning would you have that we wouldn't get something done with Karlsson? there is none, so you even bringing that up fuels your persona that you think Our team NEEDS a 1st overall pick to be successful ever again. Our team does not need that, and you are just trying to extend your arguments now
After one assist you go from disliking the trade to thinking he's one of the future franchise players....LOL.
I think its possible. As I said when the trade happened, its a good trade for Ottawa because you deal from a position of strength (D-men) to an area where everyone wants to upgrade (Center). That said, too early to say he will be the future face here, could happen and I hope it does.
My guess for the outside of the building if you ever see the 5 pictures again, it will be Spezza (next captain), Karlsson, Neil, Cowen and wildcard - Smith. Pure wildcard though.
This is a pointless debate. Murray will resign Karlsson, there's no doubt about it. Karlsson is his pride and joy. Considering we have a porjected cap space of $28,464,167, I'm pretty sure we can afford to resign him.
Michalek had extended on ice workout with team and after practice. He feels good but says he's unlikely to play tomorrow. #Sens
The "there I said it" was an ironic comment which you have taken at face value and out of context, especially as you have seemingly ignored every other thing I have said about Turris on this board today and previously. Also I edited it to make the comment easier to understand. What I think and what I believe the organisation thinks are often different things.
I don't believe that Turris is a new face of the franchise at the moment. However I do believe that the organisation traded for him, partly with the the hope that he could one day step into a significant role for this team.
I don't think I ever expressed an opinion one way or the other about the trade (happy for you to go through my old posts to prove me wrong but I doubt either of us care that much) other than to comment that we were exchanging one player who had proved nothing for another and that I was surprised we gave away Rundblad so early.
Its called Salary Cap Era, you dont want to overpay a player to have to get rid of one later on.
5 years 28Mil is an insult to Karlsson. His comparible will be Doughty...
This blog has so many followers that topics get derailed because of comments, it becomes so negative and argumentative (I'm included) that sometimes its just too much to handle at times. Notwithstanding today's discussion of hottest wives over at Yotes, but at times it even seems their discussion is more intelligent and less bias than here
Now I am 100% I will be hit with a -12 for this post, and don't get me wrong I love this site, and this forum to talk Sens, but I wish some people here would actually state opinions based on actual fact and data, and then move on, and enough with the personal vendettas and especially enougb with the PMS emotion that follows
Turris asked to be traded, he held out, lol, dont try comparing the situation I just presented to you.
I'm talking about not being able to afford Karlsson, he's gonna want Doughty money and why the hell not, he's up there if not higher!!
Think that's a product of having views from a number of different fan bases. And while I've had some fun with Tookie today, I do feel the personal stuff is a little over the top sometimes.
Extremely difficult to control though.
If the Greening-Spezza -Alfreddson line keeps clicking, Turris will have to play with Michalek
This is asinine. Even a sweep in one playoff round has two measurable benefits: Extra revenue for the franchise and NHL playoff experience for players who haven't been there before.
Those are sure things. In the draft -- even in a lottery spot -- nothing is sure. Just ask the Phoenix Coyotes.
Or just ask the Pens, Hawks and Lightning...
Quoting Tookie19:
Can't win the Cup without making the playoffs first.
You don't know that Tookie. You can't predict what this team will do in the future. Sens had a great draft last season.. 3 first rounders and a decent 2nd rounder. Let them develop before saying this team will forever be a bubble playoff team.
I agree that this is an excellent source for information and occasionally debate but I also agree that the relentless back and forth of I like Spezza, I like Karlsson better I heard that karlssons dad could beat up Spezzas dad is really tiresome.
There are people here who put forth their opinions about the team and that is great whether I agree with the opinion or not, but if you do disagree with an opinion at least have the courtesy to discuss it intelligently rather than saying I think you're a moron for thinking something different from me. There are also those however who add absolutely nothing to the debate other than complaining about an earlier poster's opinion.
it's very unfortunate that all too many days the conversation circles back to, i think we'll be in the playoffs, well i don't, well i do Eventually this will drive people away.
We both know that's bullshit. For every team like the Pens and Hawks there is a team like the Islanders and Hurricanes.
Lightning aren't very hot either. Oilers are in a free fall, and Colorado is sitting near the bottom.
Tookie,
Give it up !!!!!!!!!!
How do you run a business when you are on here forever ?
Merry Chrismas !!!
I do know that we dont have any top tier talent in our system, take a look at the last 10 years of 1st overall picks. Its no gamble, any of those guys would have done wonders as a senator as they did with the team they got drafted by. None of em needed development either. I'm just saying, its worth getting the #1 pick.
Rick DiPietroIlya Kovalchuk
Rick Nash
Marc-Andre Fleury
Alexander Ovechkin
Sidney Crosby
Erik Johnson
Patrick Kane
Steven Stamkos
John Tavares
Taylor Hall
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Redden's highest production was 50 points with the 05-06 ottawa sens. no surprise, played when the CASH line was destroying the league. THAT WAS IN THE 9th YEAR OF NHL CAREER FOR REDDEN.
EK65 on the other hand already put up 50 points last year. In only the second year of his NHL career and he is on pace for 70+ this year.
EK65 right now is the epitome of offensive d-man behemoth and I dont know if any d-man in this league right now can do what he is doing offensively. In fact he is even putting some quality forwards to shame. And that leads me to say that Karlsson will and should demand more than doughty, because doughty is tanking right now.
Easy Cowboy!!!
I love Condra & I thought Filatov would top 6, but never said anything about numbers.
What I did say & we bet, which was a bit risky was,
if the Sens make the playoffs, you change your name to
"I know nothing about hockey, and if they dont, I will
Rick Nash - No Cup, 4 playoff games.
Marc-Andre Fleury - 1 Cup, 1 Olympic Gold, plays on superstar team.
Alexander Ovechkin - No Cup, Chronic underachiever.
Sidney Crosby - 1 Cup, 1 Olympic Gold, best player to be drafted in 2 decades.
Erik Johnson - No Cup, no playoff experience.
Patrick Kane - 1 Cup, Olympic Silver.
Steven Stamkos - No Cup, Franchise player.
John Tavares - No Cup, No playoffs.
Taylor Hall - Not everything he was scouted to be imo.
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - too easrly for anything. Looking good though.
Although you do get a great player Tookie, it isno gurantee it gets you a cup. It is also no gurantee it gets you anywhere either. You have have a supporting cast as well as some luck
he scored 50 pts last yr on a bad ottawa team, imagine once this team is better than what it already is right now so early in the rebuild.
also, last season my cousin who is a leafs and oilers fan used to say to wait and see how Cam Fowler will show up EK65, and I was like no chance. well, Cam Fowler 33GP and only 15 pts. doughty only 8 pts in 28GP. Mike Green and Kris Letang are probably the only true comparisons in the league right now. but alas, both are older and took atleast two to three seasons before showing production similar to EK.
Rick Nash - No Cup, 4 playoff games.
Marc-Andre Fleury - 1 Cup, 1 Olympic Gold, plays on superstar team.
Alexander Ovechkin - No Cup, Chronic underachiever.
Sidney Crosby - 1 Cup, 1 Olympic Gold, best player to be drafted in 2 decades.
Erik Johnson - No Cup, no playoff experience.
Patrick Kane - 1 Cup, Olympic Silver.
Steven Stamkos - No Cup, Franchise player.
John Tavares - No Cup, No playoffs.
Taylor Hall - Not everything he was scouted to be imo.
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - too easrly for anything. Looking good though.
Although you do get a great player Tookie, it isno gurantee it gets you a cup.
TOOKIE BLOWN OUT OF WATER !!
The above clearly shows, that Tookie just woke up to reality
Killed by his own stats !! Just love it !!
I'm just saying, its worth getting the #1 pick.
Tookie! Get back to work! Or go back to your masterbatorium, where ever you like to spend your days...
While it's great to have a 'sober-second thought' (see THE SENATE, where they are Senators...get the double-entendre ?), it's also a real drag to have you be Corporal NEGATRON towards all positive aspects of our last few wins.
There is plenty to be happy about. If you want to "fail for Nail", then we'll respect you for being someone who will lay down and take the easy route. You're Poland, WE ARE the ALLIES. (sorry for any Poles out there - you have hot babes in your country - kudos!)
In summary - Tookie, your new name is Negatron McWetblanket. Go suck on an egg.
~Peluso
Sorry to be pedantic but the only thing that guarantees you a cup is winning 16 playoff games.
Tookie's point whilst not entirely accurate can't be entirely dismissed either. Chicago and Pittsburgh went through years of suckage before becoming cup winners. Washington went through years of suckage before becoming a contender. Of course Detroit and Boston (Toronto sucked for them)didn't have to, but you can't really argue that of the number one picks who have been in the league more than 5 years aren't mostly elite players (one that springs to mind who isn't elite is actually Chris Phillips).
Tookie is clearly a tank and pick cup win person, others are build through the draft cup win people. It works both ways.
It's inevitable, their fanbase is a lot bigger than ours and they have a movement just like ours to get their players in.
Kessel will be there regardless and the way he's playing, deserves it.
Reimer really is the only one that dosen't deserve it, but that's what you get when you allow fan voting...
Karlsson is a franchise dman in the mold of Doughty/Keith I wuold have no problem giving him 6 or 7 mill a year. He is our franchise player just like if we draft Nail, and in 3 years we have to give him 7 mill. thats the price.
More realistically Karlsson will fall in around 5 and 6 close to Keith Yandle. That is his comparible
Interesting tid-bit to reinforce your fact:
1. last year's SC finalsts have had no 1st overalls in a LONG LONG TIME. Although Boston did have their 2nd overall playing parts of the playoffs in seguin.
2. Atleast one team in each of the SC finals dating all the way back to the lockout has had no 1st overall. Detroit has had 2 finals appearances, Vancouver, Philly, Ottawa, Edmonton (against Carolina).
However, the teams that did win the cup (except Det. and Anaheim) did have their 1st or 2nd overalls playing on the rosters:
Pit-Crosby,Malkin,Fleury,Staal
Bos-Seguin
Car-Eric Staal
Chi-Kane and Toews
so, its really...in favor of getting the 1st or 2nd overall lottery pick if you want the cup, unless the team is Det.
However, the teams that did win the cup (except Det. and Anaheim) did have their 1st or 2nd overalls playing on the rosters:
Pit-Crosby,Malkin,Fleury,Staal
Bos-Seguin
Car-Eric Staal
Chi-Kane and Toews
so, its really...in favor of getting the 1st or 2nd overall lottery pick if you want the cup, unless the team is Det.
If your including Carolina you should include Spezza and Ottawa.
But that being said I wouldn't include Ottawa or Boston with Seguin and Spezza because they were drafted as a result of a trade and not tanking or doing poorly.
And now further to your argument, I think Chicago and Pittsburgh are a different mold. They tanked for several years to get to the SCF. They didn't just get 1 pick they got Toews/Kane and Fleury/Malkin/C rosby/Staal. So they are on their own. Essentially Carolina is the only comp to Ottawa right now with Staal vs Nail
Poland lay down and take the easy route? You might want to pick up a history book before making such stupid statements. You can start in the WWII section.
Yes it would be nice to have a #1, 2 or 3 pick but it's not everything. You can win without them but here's the shocker - great players help.
Well we do have Spezza and Phillips! LOL
We have Cowen who went #9 (2009), Zib who went #6 (2011), Turris who went #3 (2007).
Add in Spezza #2 (2001) and Michalek #6 (2003)
And your looking at a pretty strong nucleous of top 10 picks to build a team around at various age and experience levels. I would prefer this than the Edm current model of having all the top picks be rookies and/or sophmores all at the same time, hoping they all hit their strides (which they wont look at gagne, cogs, pjaarvi, nash all struggling)
We don't need a top 3 pick with our current roster, we need to continue to draft and develop well
I will say that I was one of the ones that was not keen on Turris,
But I will also say that I was one of the ones that realized Rundblad was nowhere near ready for NHL minutes.
I have said in many posts that we cannot afford to have all three of Gonchar, Karlsson, and Rundblad, and one of them should not be in the lineup. Karlsson being by far the best out of the three would stay, so Gonch or Rundblad were to come out.
I was hoping it would be the AHL, and granted still think we may have given up too much, I did not know enough about Turris.
Seeing him yesterday, I can see his upside, but I am not sure he has shown much more than what Regin could provide when healthy.
I still think Condra was a big part of that line yesterday,
But am excited to see Turris keep improving.
PS Tooks is a shit disturber... and I question his Sens loyalty... sorry Tooks if you are really a Sens fan.
Yeah this was dumber than anything Tookie has ever said. Not that this is a history or political blog... but really? The countries taking the easy route were the ones joining the Nazis instead of fighting. Please see Italy, Czech, Spain and so on...
And now back to hockey
GO SENS GO
I agree that in his NHL career to date Turris has not shown much, but even though they have played roughly the same amount of games Regin is 3 years older than Turris. That will make a difference.
I'm prepared to postulate that when Turris is 25 he'll be a better player than Regin is now. Of course this postulation is also pointless and lazy.
It is absolutely worthless saying anything about Turris one way or the other but I don't expect that to stop anybody. The earliest time to judge Turris will be at the end of this season.
What I would find interesting however would be the question what equates to success for Turris at the end of this season?
I'll start - I think him proving he is a successful option for 2nd line centre duties for next season. How does he do that? Don't know, it's not an exact science.
Peluso easy now, don't take an instigator!
Sorry, you guys are right... I HAVE read history, and you're absolutely right. I just had Polish chicks on the brain. Maybe I meant France? Maybe I used a bad metaphor. Maybe I'm drinking Egg Nogg at work? Who knows.
But indeed, despite the fact that in 3 short days Poland fell, they did battle hard. I agree.
I disagree when you say that this blunder is worse than anything Tookie has said. That is surely hyperbole.
SEE HERE - http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/sidorpe01.html
I guess I just wanted to say that I am proud of the Sens, and I am proud of how hot Polish girls are, and I am happy that there is booze at work right now.
Here's raising my glass to beating the team from America's WANG tomorrow.
One last thing - should the good people of Los Angeles accept that their new coach can't speak Spanish?
~Peluso
This is exactly why he deserves a pass, again with a doozie of a comment... Sutter doesn't speak spanish... Pitbull is gonna freak... wonder if Cunneyworth speaks spanish :)
Fans do have the right to demand that the coach speak in their native tongue - that's why Ron Wilson is fluent in Stupid.
Looks like Michalek is out for tomorrow's game, so with Winchester out, Butler draws back in. Knowing Pauly Mac doesn't like to change lines after a win, Butler might be better served playing alongside Turris and Condra ??
Foligno - Spezza - Alfredsson
Butler - Turris - Condra
Neil - Z. Smith - Greening
Dawg - Regin - Konopka
I'd like to see this. Please no replies about LW or RW's since these guys can play on any wing.
How much is a Cunney worth though?
What about a Spanish speaking Cunney?
Patrick Roy would be awesome in Montreal even though I hate them so much.
Keep up the good work Peluso, you crazy, drunk SOB.
zibanejad got an assists and claesson got a goal.
interesting to note zibanejad is playing the RW since sweden is loaded with centers this year and apparently many are saying zibanejad is a better winger than a center
apparently the game announcer couldn't get enough of zibanejad, was calling him a beast
Indeed, he brought the funnay.
No he isn't. Doughty has been consistent over 3 years and its not just points they look at. He won't get Doughty money.
5.5 mil isn't too bad at all. Then again, it could be over 6mil. Tough to say, but its more than just points.
Ilya Kovalchuk
Rick Nash
Marc-Andre Fleury
Alexander Ovechkin
Sidney Crosby
Erik Johnson
Patrick Kane
Steven Stamkos
John Tavares
Taylor Hall
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Since these respective clubs drafting 1st overall
Ny Islanders- 0 cups
Columbus- 0 cups
Atlanta-0 cups, no longer in existence
Washington-0 cups
St. Louis- 0 cups
Pittsburgh- 1 cup
Chicago-1 cup
Edmonton-0 cups
Meanwhile perennial powerhouses like Boston, and Detroit continue chugging along winning championships through shrewd drafting and PROPER PLAYER DEVELOPMENT in WINNING ATMOSPHERES. Systems, Coaching and Team Chemistry plays a huge role in championship teams, as much or moreso than personal. We tried the bottoming out thing before, and it did nothing but get us beat out by the leafs in the early 2000's.
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