Thursday, 01 December 2011 23:05

Stars Rally Late to Down Sens

For about two and a half minutes of the third period, it looked like the Sens were going to steal two points from a strong home ice team but it wasn't meant to be. 

The Dallas Stars, who were quiet most of the night, rallied with two third period goals from Radek Dvorak and Eric Nystrom and stole two points away from the Ottawa Senators. The loss drops the Sens to 12-11-2 on the season.

When Milan Michalek buried his 15th with under nine minutes to play, it looked like the Sens were in good shape.  But the Dallas Stars refused to quit and were able to score a couple of quick ones with some hard work shifts that had the Sens running around in their own end.

Ottawa played a decent road game and did a nice job limiting the number of chances until giving up 19 shots in the final frame.  It was an ugly game but the Sens likely deserved a better fate. Michalek and Alfredsson both had great chances to tie this one in the dying seconds but Raycroft made a couple of big stops to preserve the win for Dallas.

Filip Kuba has played some important minutes for the Ottawa Senators this year so his absence was obviously a big one.  Brian Lee took his spot in the line up but Kuba's minutes were shared throughout the six blueliners and in the end it may have been those extra minutes that cost the Sens.

Erik Karlsson (23:51) and Chris Phillips (24:47) got caught on a long shift with the game tied at two and Eric Nystrom was able to fire one past Craig Anderson that would go down at the GWG.

The good news is Jared Cowen seemed to thrive in an elevated role.  He finished the game with 22:21, +2, five hits and an assist.  Cowen has played third pairing minutes all season but he looked like a player that is ready to handle some increased responsibility.

The Senators are next in action on Saturday when they close out the three game road trip against a struggling Washington Capitals team.  The Caps fell on home ice at the hands of Crosby and the Pens and are now 0-2 under new head coach Dale Hunter.

  • Allan Walsh, agent of Jackets forward Derick Brassard, released a statement tonight and it's pretty clear that Brassard's time in Columbus is running out.  The Sens have been interested in Brassard for quite some time but I've been told that right now anyway, the contract is an issue.  We'll see if anything changes on that front tomorrow.
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+9 #1 Andrews Theory 2011-12-01 23:22
Cowen is starting to look like a top pairing defenseman. he's getting more confident with each game and it looks like he may actually have some decent offensive upside at this level which I wasn't to sure on coming into the season.

Filatov seems to be on the cusp. To me, he's a guy with game breaking potential. He has the ability to turn nothing into something and If he can take that next step, he's going to be a very exciting player to have on the roster. patience....
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-1 #2 111519 2011-12-01 23:45
How about Anderson doesnt try to pick his stick up with the game tied 2-2 and a battle for the puck 6 feet away. End result he is not watching and bang, puck in net we lose.
This is pee wee goaltending rule 1.
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-1 #3 Canucnik 2011-12-01 23:48
We did not miss the China Doll as much as Carkner and Neil against a hard hitting bunch like Dallas. But you are right Chirp, ya got 6 defencemen...pl ay 'em all!

Z-man should have started a big brawl with Ott after that late hit and taken him out of the game.
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-6 #4 sensarmy 2011-12-02 00:02
Spezza stunk smthg fierce tonight. Lets just forget about that game
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-4 #5 SkipOPot2Mus 2011-12-02 01:20
I agree about Andy. Hes been mediocre at best and if we want to be able to compete with the better teams we need him to step up his game. And yes i know the sens give up alot of shots and hes made some great saves but he has been way to inconsistent.
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+2 #6 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-02 01:38
I don't know what you guys expect from Anderson. We signed him when he was on a hot streak. All goaltenders have ups and downs and stretches of inconsistent play, even the very best in the world.

Anderson is an average starting goaltender. He is a legitimate number one but he isn't great. I don't think he's one of the top 20 goalies in the league. He's the best goalie we've had here in a long time, but with that said I think people need to limit their expectations of him. He's not an all-star calibre player so don't expect all-star calibre results.
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-1 #7 MoeDozer 2011-12-02 01:44
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
I don't know what you guys expect from Anderson. We signed him when he was on a hot streak. All goaltenders have ups and downs and stretches of inconsistent play, even the very best in the world.

Anderson is an average starting goaltender. He is a legitimate number one but he isn't great. I don't think he's one of the top 20 goalies in the league. He's the best goalie we've had here in a long time, but with that said I think people need to limit their expectations of him. He's not an all-star calibre player so don't expect all-star calibre results.

i agree with you on that its just tough for us fans to not be optimistic expecting him to pull more games like he did last year for us... Consistently, he hasnt stood on his head once this year for us for a full game
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+3 #8 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-02 01:45
I don't think the team played poorly at all. In fact I thought they played a very solid road game, but the two defensive breakdowns that lead to Dallas' 2nd and 3rd goals were what did us in... Obviously...

On Dallas' game tying goal, Condra allowed Ribiero far too much time and space instead of being aggressive and challenging him. You can't give a player with Ribiero's playmaking abilities that much respect to make something happen. Rundblad and Lee could have done more to prevent that play from happening as well.

The game winning goal was just unfortunate. Dallas pinned Karlsson and Phillips in deep on a very long shift and they were obviously both gassed.
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+1 #9 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-02 02:10
I know one thing about that game... the ice was horrible. I'm not sure I've ever seen a game where the puck was on end more often. While I was watching it with my friends I commented on it, then just minutes later Brown and Potvin mentioned the Disney on Ice thing.

It was brutal, and ruined alot of flow to the game. I wonder if it's always that bad?
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+2 #10 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-02 02:14
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
I don't think the team played poorly at all.



Ya, I don't think it was a bad game either. You win some, you lose some (Sens have come back on teams like that too). We're still sitting in the 8th playoff spot, and one game over .500 after 25 games. I'll take it, as it's much better than I thought they'd be in at this point, before the season started.

Teams really competiting hard, which is good to see, and can only bode well going forward. I missed the solid work ethic that was missing for a while with this team.
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+9 #11 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-02 02:37
Quoting MoeDozer:

i agree with you on that its just tough for us fans to not be optimistic expecting him to pull more games like he did last year for us... Consistently, he hasnt stood on his head once this year for us for a full game


Craig Anderson is 5-2 in has last 7 games, and the Senators opponants consistantly get over 30 shots a game against him. He made 39 saves against the Jets, and we won. He made 34 against Carolina, and we won. Edmonton he only made 22, easy win. Calgary he made 38, and kept us in the game, we won. Then lets not forget he made 31 against the Leafs, including 16 in the 3rd, and we beat them 5-2.

Craig Anderson is doing fine, and he's only getting better as the season goes on. We're only at game 25.
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+2 #12 spezzerman 2011-12-02 08:16
oh well, tough loss but really, they didnt deserve the win tonight. nights like tonight were supposed to be the norm but they have been the exception so far. I hope it stays that way. I agree about Cowen. He played one of his best games so far with that added time.

Anderson made at least two spectabcular saves in the first two periods to keep the sens in the game, he should not be blamed for this loss. while his numbers arent impressive and he has thrown out the odd stinker, he has given the sens a chance to win most nights he has played.
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-7 #13 SensFanInToronto 2011-12-02 08:24
I tell ya, Chris Phillips has got to go. I've met him before, really nice guy and he's probably a character guy in the dressing room. But I bet, if someone went through his career on film, they'll see that he's scored more goals on his own net than scoring on the other team. Don Cherry should have a field trip on this guy for his approach to blocking shots. For 3mil a season the Sens can have a much better Dman than Phillips.

Phillips to EDM for Gagner or Barker.
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+2 #14 my2sens 2011-12-02 08:52
Tough loss. Could have gone either way.

To blame Anderson, really? The difference in net was that Anderson made his big saves in the first and Raycroft in the third.

Ice was shit which didn't help matters.

The one stand-out player last night - Cowen! What a game by him last night!!

Spezza was starting to revert to his old self again with the strange passes.... but then there were flashes of his brilliance!

My biggest issue with the Sens last night was trying to force the puck through seams as oppose to the simple play...

Tough loss... but not a concerning none.

GO SENS GO!
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-3 #15 TheBoss 2011-12-02 09:06
If No.65 wants to win the Norris, he's gonna have to step up a few levels. He has a lot to learn.

And is it just me, or did Spezza lead the game with most giveaways/turn overs yet again? His knuckle head passes really make me just want to flip the god damn table sometimes.
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+2 #16 hq 2011-12-02 09:08
i know this is being chintsy, but spezza had all the chances in the world yesterday to take that game over and kill the stars, but each time he gave the puck away.

i think the karlsson phillips pair may not be appropriate considering the way they were running around in the 3rd. i think out of all the d-men on the team, chris phillips' game takes the worst hit after a partner change.

lets get back at it tomorrow. the caps are down and lets keep them down.
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0 #17 NikoTn 2011-12-02 09:18
Didn't like the way Foligno played last night either. Sloppy and tried too much. Cowen will be a great player for us.

Thought Anderson played quite a solid game actually; the last goal was a weak one, but regardless, he made 3 or 4 great saves to keep it tied. He has not been what I expected either, but was not the reason we lost last night.
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+1 #18 Smash_88 2011-12-02 09:27
You've got to think that this huge road trip is also working against the Sens.. I know they had a little break from it last week, but it's still has been one of the longer stretches of road games I've seen in a while... The fact that they are competitive in all these games is something I would not of expected...

I really had a bad feeling about last night's game, so I think they made out pretty good..
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+3 #19 SensChirp 2011-12-02 09:30
I too thought Anderson made some big saves and the loss was certainly not his fault. That said, I find I'm left scratching my head when I watch him lately. There is something fundamentally "off" about his game that I did not notice at the end of last year.

He's developing some bad habits, seems to be guessing far too often and is giving up on plays. I am no goalie expert but I hope Rick Wamsley talks to him about getting back to basics.
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0 #20 hq 2011-12-02 09:34
@SC agreed: that "off" something about his game was visible on the GWG by Nystrom where he thought Nystrom would pass to Dvorak who was by the net and had already started moving while Nystrom wound up for his shot.

But I think Karlsson gave up on the play well before Anderson and there seemed to be a lot of time given to Nystrom to skate up and take the shot.
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-1 #21 KanataFan 2011-12-02 10:11
Quoting SensFanInToronto:
I tell ya, Chris Phillips has got to go. I've met him before, really nice guy and he's probably a character guy in the dressing room. But I bet, if someone went through his career on film, they'll see that he's scored more goals on his own net than scoring on the other team. Don Cherry should have a field trip on this guy for his approach to blocking shots. For 3mil a season the Sens can have a much better Dman than Phillips.

Phillips to EDM for Gagner or Barker.

I'm 100% with you. Ever see him fight in the corner for a puck?
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+3 #22 The Apostle 2011-12-02 10:26
Goal goes into the Senators net. Camera foicuses on Chris Phillips. Phillips raises his eyes to the heavens and shakes his head. Repeat.

I was against the Phillips re-signing (especially the 3rd year) but I understand why it happened. However people calling for him to be traded need to get their head out of the clouds and realise it isn't going to happen. If he was going to be playing for another team it would have happened by now. Phillips will retire a senator. Even if Murray wanted to trade him (which he doesn't), Phillips would have to agree to a move (which he won't) because he has NMC until 2014.

Phillips has had a rough 2 years but is playing better. His value to the team isn't limited to on ice activity. His job is to mentor the younger dmen and provide a veteran presence and he's doing an OK job there.

A bit more realism is required from some fans, I'd like to trade Foiligno for Crosby but it ain't happening. Nor is moving Phillips.
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+2 #23 The Apostle 2011-12-02 10:28
[quote name="TheBoss"] If No.65 wants to win the Norris, he's gonna have to step up a few levels. He has a lot to learn. /quote]

Karlsson isn't going to win the Norris whilst he is as defensively unsound as he is.

But we didn't draft him to be a defensive powerhouse, we drafted him to be a PMD and that's exactly what he is. We should stop expecting him to be something he isn't.
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+1 #24 simple jack 2011-12-02 10:29
We just missed on our d pairings, karlsson with philips caused confusion, lee with rundblad was a little weak, cowen with gonchar was off too. We were all messed up on the back end and it cost us.
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+2 #25 simple jack 2011-12-02 10:34
Quoting SensChirp:
I too thought Anderson made some big saves and the loss was certainly not his fault. That said, I find I'm left scratching my head when I watch him lately. There is something fundamentally "off" about his game that I did not notice at the end of last year.

He's developing some bad habits, seems to be guessing far too often and is giving up on plays. I am no goalie expert but I hope Rick Wamsley talks to him about getting back to basics.


What's off is our defence and the goalie is trying to compensate too much to make a save, when our defense is better he can focus on his positioning and play textbook, until then he's roaming around just like our d. I actully feel bad for the guy i thougt he's been playing well and keeping us in games
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+1 #26 PraiseAlfie84 2011-12-02 10:45
Anderson might not be blamed for that loss last night but the last goal was a bad one.

Quoting SensChirp:
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He's developing some bad habits, seems to be guessing far too often and is giving up on plays. I am no goalie expert but I hope Rick Wamsley and a talk with him about getting back to basics.


THIS! Holy crap the rebounds he gives up are insane, against better teams those are going in, he comes out to cut the angle so far then kicks it out into the middle and is about 3 feet outside the blue paint, no way he comes back fast enough to stop anything. His consistancy is an issue, even if he is stopping 30+ shots a night...
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+2 #27 C 2011-12-02 10:52
Bad game, should have won but didn't. Move on and get back in a comfortably above .500 position
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-1 #28 IcySurfas 2011-12-02 10:59
Anderson does have a little hint of a "defeated" look about him. I suspect its something moreso off the ice than on it. He missed a couple games at the start of the season with "personal issues" did he not. There could be something going on in that guys head that none of us know about. Everytime the camera zooms in on his face behind the mask, he just seems pale and depressed even.

On that note, does anyone know what's going on with his eye? Has he always had that? Birth mark maybe, or is it new. Looks painfull and irritating.
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-1 #29 Tookie 2011-12-02 11:03
Quoting The Apostle:
Karlsson isn't going to win the Norris whilst he is as defensively unsound as he is.

But we didn't draft him to be a defensive powerhouse, we drafted him to be a PMD and that's exactly what he is. We should stop expecting him to be something he isn't.


Wow thank you very much, someone with some sense...
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+6 #30 Alcatraz 2011-12-02 11:05
What I'm loving is the determiniation and poise of Michalek this year. Regardless who he has played with this year he has scored

His linemates have included at one point or another spezza/greening /filatov/butler /alfie/foligno and yet he has still managed to put himself ONE freaking goal behind stamkos and kessle unbelievable

Hats off to him, and his ability to carry our offense on his back. Yes Spezza is our key cog and remove him we are done, but Michalek has finished everything Spezza/Alfie have started and that is something this team desperately needs
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+2 #31 The Apostle 2011-12-02 11:15
Quoting IcySurfas:
Anderson does have a little hint of a "defeated" look about him. I suspect its something moreso off the ice than on it. He missed a couple games at the start of the season with "personal issues" did he not. There could be something going on in that guys head that none of us know about. Everytime the camera zooms in on his face behind the mask, he just seems pale and depressed even.

On that note, does anyone know what's going on with his eye? Has he always had that? Birth mark maybe, or is it new. Looks painfull and irritating.


The personal issues were connected to the fact that his wife gave birth. I don't think we need to worry that it's an attitude thing or that he is unhappy in Ottawa or anything like that.
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0 #32 simple jack 2011-12-02 11:29
Lets get on with it,

Karlsson rundblad
Gonchar cowen
Philips lee
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0 #33 PraiseAlfie84 2011-12-02 11:30
Quoting IcySurfas:

On that note, does anyone know what's going on with his eye? Has he always had that? Birth mark maybe, or is it new. Looks painfull and irritating.


It looks like a stye, and yes, they are very painful and annoying! I've had a few in my time...
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+1 #34 Alcatraz 2011-12-02 11:32
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Quoting IcySurfas:

On that note, does anyone know what's going on with his eye? Has he always had that? Birth mark maybe, or is it new. Looks painfull and irritating.


It looks like a stye, and yes, they are very painful and annoying! I've had a few in my time...


Gotta love Canadian fans haha (not targetting you)

Our scrutiny on players is soo bad we notice if a goalie has a new stye through his mask!

I bet you Phoenix fans wouldn't even notice if SMith changes his pads!
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0 #35 simple jack 2011-12-02 11:36
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Quoting IcySurfas:

On that note, does anyone know what's going on with his eye? Has he always had that? Birth mark maybe, or is it new. Looks painfull and irritating.


It looks like a stye, and yes, they are very painful and annoying! I've had a few in my time...


Gotta love Canadian fans haha (not targetting you)

Our scrutiny on players is soo bad we notice if a goalie has a new stye through his mask!

I bet you Phoenix fans wouldn't even notice if SMith changes his pads!



Anderson had his helmet off while on the bench for the extra man and they did a close up. Ottawa fans watch games. Unlike in phoenix...
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+3 #36 miguel 2011-12-02 11:46
Quoting SensChirp:
I too thought Anderson made some big saves and the loss was certainly not his fault. That said, I find I'm left scratching my head when I watch him lately. There is something fundamentally "off" about his game that I did not notice at the end of last year.

He's developing some bad habits, seems to be guessing far too often and is giving up on plays. I am no goalie expert but I hope Rick Wamsley talks to him about getting back to basics.


oh C'mon sens army...really?
can you imagine where we would be this year with Leclair or Gerber behind the pipes.
we were losing games with 20 shots on net last year with back breaking goals! We are in a playoff spot when no one, except me :), thought it possible.
He made some spectacular saves last night and kept us in the game.
Bottom line I am not changing the chanel when they enter our zone anymore.
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-2 #37 IcySurfas 2011-12-02 11:55
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting IcySurfas:
Anderson does have a little hint of a "defeated" look about him. He missed a couple games at the start of the season with "personal issues" did he not.


The personal issues were connected to the fact that his wife gave birth. I don't think we need to worry that it's an attitude thing or that he is unhappy in Ottawa or anything like that.


Perhaps its that, perhaps its not. Fact is we don't know whats really going on in his head so I'm not going to pretend to make it my business or speculate reasons for a player "not looking themself". He just seemed to have a little jump and a skip last season, but this year even when the Sens are winning he doesn't have that same "oomph".

I see flashes of his skill when he plays, but overall he doesn't seem to have an edge that would be their if perhaps his mind was completley on the game. TOTALLY just an opinion, but he seems a bit "off" to me.
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0 #38 IcySurfas 2011-12-02 11:58
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Quoting IcySurfas:

On that note, does anyone know what's going on with his eye? Has he always had that? Birth mark maybe, or is it new. Looks painfull and irritating.


It looks like a stye, and yes, they are very painful and annoying! I've had a few in my time...


Gotta love Canadian fans haha (not targetting you)

Our scrutiny on players is soo bad we notice if a goalie has a new stye through his mask!

I bet you Phoenix fans wouldn't even notice if SMith changes his pads!



Guilty as charged I guess. Btw...did anyone else notice that Smith switched from Blue Gatorade to Red during the game last night? Is this a sign of something?

(tongue in cheek...)
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+1 #39 SensChirp 2011-12-02 12:17
Quoting miguel:

oh C'mon sens army...really?
can you imagine where we would be this year with Leclair or Gerber behind the pipes.
we were losing games with 20 shots on net last year with back breaking goals! We are in a playoff spot when no one, except me :), thought it possible.
He made some spectacular saves last night and kept us in the game.
Bottom line I am not changing the chanel when they enter our zone anymore.

Agreed. And like I said, he has played well but there are some bad habits that I've noticed lately that I did not see there before. And for the record, you would be hard pressed to find a Sens fan with a more optimistic outlook than I haha
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0 #40 Alcatraz 2011-12-02 12:21
I think with Anderson a lot comes down to him really trying to hard to be there. Often he gets overzealous and then he is out of place.

He really wants to be there and he has been uessing a little bit too much.

In the end I really can't complain much about it, because for once we know game in game out who will be in net and that alone makes it soooooo much easier on our team to play. Last time we had this was when Emery ripped the job from Gerber and we went on a huge run into the SCF. players play differently knowing who will be in net. if he can let in less than 3 goals a game we have a fighting chance
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+1 #41 miguel 2011-12-02 12:28
OMG I am shocked to hear the ramblings on Anderson.

And we wonder why the call Ottawa the goaltending graveyard!

we almost matched their shots last night, and did anyone notice that the Stars were in our end a lot more then we were in their end.
Difference is where the shots come from, and how the D reacts to those shots and gets out of their end.
Anderson makes save after save from very difficult spots on the ice, and the Sens cannot react and get out of our own zone. Repeatedly we are scrambling b/c Philips/Gonchar /Karlsson (I love him but D wise he hurts)/ Rundblad cannot beat their man to the puck or off the boards and they keep possession of the puck until Anderson freezes it or it is in the net.
Anderson is doing his part with a sub par Defensive players.
I am not sure what more we want from a goaltending perspective... IMO of course
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0 #42 IcySurfas 2011-12-02 12:28
Quoting Alcatraz:
I think with Anderson a lot comes down to him really trying to hard to be there. Often he gets overzealous and then he is out of place.

He really wants to be there and he has been uessing a little bit too much.

In the end I really can't complain much about it, because for once we know game in game out who will be in net and that alone makes it soooooo much easier on our team to play. Last time we had this was when Emery ripped the job from Gerber and we went on a huge run into the SCF. players play differently knowing who will be in net. if he can let in less than 3 goals a game we have a fighting chance


Your right, he hasn't nessessarily had to play "lights out for us" so far this year. The Sens have been getting alot of scoring this year and its making a difference.
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-1 #43 TyrantRoarrrrr 2011-12-02 12:28
Miguel. Ottawa is ranked 21st on Points Percentage aka the true standings, 10th in the East. We're not in a playoff spot as of right now. You are of course more correct than most in feeling that Ottawa could challenge for one. I happen to feel looking at the extremely tough schedule in December and January that we'll be in the bottom five by the end of the next two months. Just look at who we're playing.
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+1 #44 FutureGM21 2011-12-02 12:32
Quoting simple jack:
Lets get on with it,

Karlsson rundblad
Gonchar cowen
Philips lee


I like the idea of giving Cowen more big time minutes. A guy like that will develop faster in that situation becauss he's pyscially mature enough. But I think they're playing it right with Runblad right now limiting his time.

With kuba's play we'll have a buyer by the deadline and our d would stack up more like this... with Runblad getting special teams play when he draws in

Karlsson/Phillip
Gonchar/Cowen
Carkner/(Lee/Runblad)
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+1 #45 IcySurfas 2011-12-02 12:53
Looking at the schedule over the next week, we have 2 matchups with the Caps, and 1 each with Jersey, and Tampa. These teams all sit (currently) between 1 and 2 points below us. Some wins in this cluster of games could go a long way in pulling away from that pack that sits with us around that last playoff spot.

Food for thought....who does Neil replace when hes back in line-up?
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0 #46 Kratos83 2011-12-02 12:54
hey chirp...any rumblings on brassard coming to ottawa...readin g yost's blog and he says there is some definite talk...but I don't buy anything until I see you say something concrete...that cap hit is a bit of a detractor though, yikes. Am more for waiting it out and letting our young guys go than take another flyer on someone.
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0 #47 Alcatraz 2011-12-02 13:04
Quoting IcySurfas:
Looking at the schedule over the next week, we have 2 matchups with the Caps, and 1 each with Jersey, and Tampa. These teams all sit (currently) between 1 and 2 points below us. Some wins in this cluster of games could go a long way in pulling away from that pack that sits with us around that last playoff spot.

Food for thought....who does Neil replace when hes back in line-up?


I see a rotation of zenon and winnie and condra and butler

When neil draws in i see him playing with smith and daug then a butler-winnie/z enon-condra line
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0 #48 Dorkeiwicz 2011-12-02 13:11
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting The Apostle:
Karlsson isn't going to win the Norris whilst he is as defensively unsound as he is.

But we didn't draft him to be a defensive powerhouse, we drafted him to be a PMD and that's exactly what he is. We should stop expecting him to be something he isn't.


Wow thank you very much, someone with some sense...



EEEEEEYORE !

and EEYORE Junior ?
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0 #49 SensChirp 2011-12-02 13:15
Quoting Kratos71:
hey chirp...any rumblings on brassard coming to ottawa...reading yost's blog and he says there is some definite talk...but I don't buy anything until I see you say something concrete...that cap hit is a bit of a detractor though, yikes. Am more for waiting it out and letting our young guys go than take another flyer on someone.

Have been talking about this for awhile. Since Nov. 13 in fact :) The Sens have an interest but money is a problem. CBJ will have to take a contract back.
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0 #50 Johne 2011-12-02 13:16
I was a big fan of Lee's play last season and this season he's not made much of an impression on me. I'd actually say that Kuba has been much better than Lee this season. Could it be lack of interest/drive? Since he isn't exactly trying to break into the lineup any more.
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+1 #51 Johne 2011-12-02 13:21
For the 1st practice since injurying his ankle, Neil not wearing a grey jersey. Good guess is he'll play vs. Caps. #nhl #sens
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0 #52 The Apostle 2011-12-02 13:22
Quoting Dorkeiwicz:


EEEEEEYORE !

and EEYORE Junior ?



you are extremely intelligent. well done.

to ignore Karlsson's defensive liabilities is just as ridiculous as ignoring the fact that he is an outstanding PMD.He's improved dramatically from last year but anyone who considers himself a defensive powerhouse is just not watching the games.

the point of my post which, despite your attempt to ignore it, is pretty clear - we shouldn't expect Karlsson to be something he isn't. In the same way we shouldn't expect Cowen to put up 50 points. Karlsson is one of the best in the league at what he does and we should leave him being that.

I don't think he's a suitable Norris candidate because he isn't the complete/all round package in the way that Lidstrom, Chara and Keith (the three previous winners are). For the same reason Mike Green isn't going to win the Norris nor is somebody who is 'just" a shut down guy.
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0 #53 Kratos83 2011-12-02 13:24
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Kratos71:
hey chirp...any rumblings on brassard coming to ottawa...reading yost's blog and he says there is some definite talk...but I don't buy anything until I see you say something concrete...that cap hit is a bit of a detractor though, yikes. Am more for waiting it out and letting our young guys go than take another flyer on someone.

Have been talking about this for awhile. Since Nov. 13 in fact :) The Sens have an interest but money is a problem. CBJ will have to take a contract back.


man, where I have been then...oh yeah in NB...in the middle of nowhere lol. Carkner or Lee then going back...no Foligno...he is off limits.
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+1 #54 Alcatraz 2011-12-02 13:27
[quote name="The Apostle

I don't think he's a suitable Norris candidate because he isn't the complete/all round package in the way that Lidstrom, Chara and Keith (the three previous winners are). For the same reason Mike Green isn't going to win the Norris nor is somebody who is 'just" a shut down guy.

Boom roasted

Echo that sentiment. How many Norris trophies has Gonchar won? Now how many cups has we won and cup finals has he been to? Exactly. Players play different roles, and you create a team out of it. Come playoff time when we are a threat I am pretty sure Karlsson will be used in a role that will maximize his skills (ie not putting him out against crosby/ovechkin )
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0 #55 miguel 2011-12-02 13:31
as much as I love Karlsson, I have to say that Cowen will be my favorite D-man for years to come.
Just imagine that this kid is 20 years old, and years ahead of where Chara was at the same age.
Did you see him pinch in on the penalty kill knowing that Condra was coming out of the box. He knocked his man to the ground took the puck and fed Condra on the break...freakin brilliant!
He will be a future Chara/Pronger I love this kid.

When Neil comes back he works with Winnie and Butler.
You do not break the Condra/Smith/Da ug line.
And finally...again Kuba is making me eat my words, and I thank him for that, but please give Lee a few games and some faith he can and will be better than Kuba given the chance.
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0 #56 Smash_88 2011-12-02 13:34
Quoting Dorkeiwicz:
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting The Apostle:
Karlsson isn't going to win the Norris whilst he is as defensively unsound as he is.

But we didn't draft him to be a defensive powerhouse, we drafted him to be a PMD and that's exactly what he is. We should stop expecting him to be something he isn't.


Wow thank you very much, someone with some sense...



EEEEEEYORE !

and EEYORE Junior ?


Is this the only thing you know how to say? I don't think I've ever seen you post anything other than this... He is making very valid points..
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+1 #57 NikoTn 2011-12-02 13:53
Quoting Smash_88:
Quoting Dorkeiwicz:
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting The Apostle:
Karlsson isn't going to win the Norris whilst he is as defensively unsound as he is.

But we didn't draft him to be a defensive powerhouse, we drafted him to be a PMD and that's exactly what he is. We should stop expecting him to be something he isn't.


Wow thank you very much, someone with some sense...



EEEEEEYORE !

and EEYORE Junior ?


Is this the only thing you know how to say? I don't think I've ever seen you post anything other than this... He is making very valid points..


x2

All valid points.
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0 #58 Sensnation 2011-12-02 13:57
Quoting TheBoss:
If No.65 wants to win the Norris, he's gonna have to step up a few levels. He has a lot to learn.

And is it just me, or did Spezza lead the game with most giveaways/turn overs yet again? His knuckle head passes really make me just want to flip the god damn table sometimes.


Spezza was passing to where his linemates were supposed to be moving to a lot as well, and his linemates were just standing still. He had other turnovers too, but there was no chemistry on his line last night, it's not all his fault!
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-4 #59 Bruinblaster 2011-12-02 13:58
Sad that a few of the DUMB signings at D will likely lead to several prospects leaving the organization at the end of the year. Too bad for these young guys but they will likely do fine in other organizations with a need.
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-1 #60 Sensnation 2011-12-02 14:08
The part I was most confused about last night, is when it came time to give a 4th dman some PP time, it went to Lee and not Cowen. If they've already given up on Lee (I think it's pretty obvious they don't see him as any more than a spare part) then why give him the PP time? Cowen has been one of the most consistent players on this team this year and I hope they let him explore some of his offensive side before labeling him a pure DFD with no PP time. He may not have the flash, but he can consistently move the puck around and not turn it over ... which is all Lee did.

I guess I'm back to giving up on Lee. He showed some nice flashes last year, and here and there this year, but he just doesn't have enough to keep a spot in this rebuild.
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+2 #61 Alcatraz 2011-12-02 14:09
Quoting Bruinblaster:
Sad that a few of the DUMB signings at D will likely lead to several prospects leaving the organization at the end of the year. Too bad for these young guys but they will likely do fine in other organizations with a need.


Who are you referring to as leaving the organization? Lee just hasn't panned ou, be it before or after our "bad" signings

Gonchar is the only dman playing for us that was a signing, and everyone praised this move after our game 6 loss to the pens. Kuba was signed that year I believe at the deadline? that was considered a great deal at the time.

So again I ask, who is leaving at the end of the year?
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-1 #62 ShaunK 2011-12-02 14:10
awful performance last night. No energy and giving up that late lead was embarrassing. Watching Dallas skate around untouched in our end for the final 2 goals was awful
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+1 #63 Sensnation 2011-12-02 14:13
Quoting ShaunK:
awful performance last night. No energy and giving up that late lead was embarrassing. Watching Dallas skate around untouched in our end for the final 2 goals was awful


It was not that bad. I thought it was a very exciting game despite that last period flurry by Dallas.
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0 #64 Hax 2011-12-02 14:39
Quoting Sensnation:
The part I was most confused about last night, is when it came time to give a 4th dman some PP time, it went to Lee and not Cowen. If they've already given up on Lee (I think it's pretty obvious they don't see him as any more than a spare part) then why give him the PP time? Cowen has been one of the most consistent players on this team this year and I hope they let him explore some of his offensive side before labeling him a pure DFD with no PP time. He may not have the flash, but he can consistently move the puck around and not turn it over ... which is all Lee did.


I don't think they have given up on Lee at all or else they would have moved out for something already. I think it's the opposite - until something better comes along, he's penciled in as top 4 after the old guys are gone.

Not letting Cowen get some point time would be a bad idea.
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+1 #65 PraiseAlfie84 2011-12-02 14:45
Re: Karlsson winning the Norris

His defensive play is getting better, but there's still so much room for improvement. I don't think he'll ever win it because he's a natural PMD/High Offense player and those guys just don't win the Norris.
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0 #66 Sensnation 2011-12-02 14:49
Quoting Bruinblaster:
Sad that a few of the DUMB signings at D will likely lead to several prospects leaving the organization at the end of the year. Too bad for these young guys but they will likely do fine in other organizations with a need.


The only UFA dmen we have are Carkner and Kuba, so I'm not sure who you think even has a choice to leave in our prospect pool?
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0 #67 SkipOPot2Mus 2011-12-02 14:50
Sooo brassard to ottawa even more likely now. I wonder what ottawa would have to give up. My guess is:

Kuba(possibly) or Lee maybe wiercoch added
and a 2nd rounder

for brassard and a 6th or something
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+3 #68 miguel 2011-12-02 14:56
I am still very much on the Lee bandwagon.
this kid is in one of the toughest situations, and still performs admirably and without complaint.
He is a first rounder who has been dicked around for 3 years.
There is a first rounder in Columbus who has been sat a few games, and his agent, on his behalf is screaming bloody murder.
Yet Lee still wants to succeed here in Ottawa.
I cannot fathom how hard, not just physically, but mentally challenging, coming in and out, sitting for weeks at a time, cannot be easy from a timing persective but even more from a confidence perspective.
I continue to say that this kid will one day be a very steady top 4 D,
I just hope it is with us!
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+2 #69 SensChirp 2011-12-02 14:56
Quoting SkipOPot2Mus:
Sooo brassard to ottawa even more likely now. I wonder what ottawa would have to give up. My guess is:

Kuba(possibly) or Lee maybe wiercoch added
and a 2nd rounder

for brassard and a 6th or something

Why more likely? Situation has not changed. Ottawa likes him but they need CBJ to take money back. I would assume CBJ is looking for young players and picks, not a contract.
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0 #70 Kratos83 2011-12-02 14:57
Quoting SkipOPot2Mus:
Sooo brassard to ottawa even more likely now. I wonder what ottawa would have to give up. My guess is:

Kuba(possibly) or Lee maybe wiercoch added
and a 2nd rounder

for brassard and a 6th or something


I dunno if I like getting rid of Kuba right now...he may be worth more to us at trade deadline in terms of trade...but then be, if we are in playoff spot...we might not be trading away any assets, might not be adding any either, just standing pat, which I hope that's not the case..if Murray gets a call on Kuba at deadline...move him....Lee or Weircioch + would be a good starting ground for a deal...change of scenery type of scenario.
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0 #71 Hax 2011-12-02 15:27
I trust Murray but I'm not the least bit excited about the propect of aquiring Brassard - based on what little I've seen lately it seems like he might be a primadona who's going to piss and moan if he's not handed the 2C job. Do we really need talent that badly? No, no we don't.

Now of course who knows what the real story is and maybe the guy is as noble and dedicated as the next player - but if my agent was saying stuff like that I'd fire him for making me look like a Heatley/Yashin- type.
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0 #72 miguel 2011-12-02 15:35
Quoting Hax:
I trust Murray but I'm not the least bit excited about the propect of aquiring Brassard - based on what little I've seen lately it seems like he might be a primadona who's going to piss and moan if he's not handed the 2C job. Do we really need talent that badly? No, no we don't.

Now of course who knows what the real story is and maybe the guy is as noble and dedicated as the next player - but if my agent was saying stuff like that I'd fire him for making me look like a Heatley/Yashin-type.

Well said Hax,
Really do we not have enough experiments already on this team? Brassard would have to get in line after Filatov, Butler, Daugavins, Regin, DaCosta have all had their fair shot.
I see nothing that warrants Brassard ahead of any of them yet, so why give anything up for another experiment?
I still believe that one of them will take charge at some point
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-1 #73 McLovin 2011-12-02 15:37
On Brassard..

With his contract, they'd almost have to sweeten the deal with a pick. Columbus is up against the cap and bleeding $$$. They need to get rid of his contract. No way it happens but I'd do:

Brassard, 2nd
for
Regin, Obrien or wirecock, and a 3rd
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+1 #74 Sensnation 2011-12-02 15:39
Quoting SensChirp:

Why more likely? Situation has not changed. Ottawa likes him but they need CBJ to take money back. I would assume CBJ is looking for young players and picks, not a contract.


I would think he means more likely because Brassard's agent is putting public pressure on the GM to make a move asap.
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0 #75 jakester 2011-12-02 15:40
I hope we get Brassard and keep Regin. Would love our 4 centers;

Spezza
Brassard
Regin
Smith

I remember a couple of years ago before he got hurt to start the season he rattled off 20 odd points early and was leading the league(Brassard ) in scoring. The guy is a serious talent. He's from Gatineau too that's a bonus. It might be Carkner + Winnie + a pick I think. Columbus needs some grit , they r too soft. These 2 guys have that. Good trade for both teams. Kramer will be here in a couple of years for the Sens to help in the fisticuffs.
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0 #76 Sensnation 2011-12-02 15:43
Quoting Hax:
I trust Murray but I'm not the least bit excited about the propect of aquiring Brassard - based on what little I've seen lately it seems like he might be a primadona who's going to piss and moan if he's not handed the 2C job. Do we really need talent that badly? No, no we don't.

Now of course who knows what the real story is and maybe the guy is as noble and dedicated as the next player - but if my agent was saying stuff like that I'd fire him for making me look like a Heatley/Yashin-type.


Columbus can't do anything with prospects. Even Nash would be a better star if he had been brought up in another system. I don't think you can draw anything about the player's attitude from this situation, none of the players there are doing well or enjoying much progress or success.
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0 #77 jakester 2011-12-02 15:43
Good to have as many assets as possible who can play - when the younger guys come up u can trade them off for more picks. Always re-freshing your line-up. What u don"t need to stockpile is fourth liners
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0 #78 TyrantRoarrrrr 2011-12-02 15:49
Brassard's true value is very low right now. Trading for what someone has done in the past is a good way to get into trouble. The CBJ apparently don't even think the offense he brought last year is a good enough reason to let him play his way out of it in the lineup of the 30th ranked team in the NHL. I can see Ottawa being willing to give up maybe a 3rd rounder and a veteran contract like Kuba or Carkner. If they pay more than that then what's the point? The longer he goes without playing/produci ng the lower his value. If the CBJ want any kind of return at all they have to move quickly especially now that his agent is crapping on the organization.
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0 #79 Sandy 2011-12-02 15:53
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting IcySurfas:
Looking at the schedule over the next week, we have 2 matchups with the Caps, and 1 each with Jersey, and Tampa. These teams all sit (currently) between 1 and 2 points below us. Some wins in this cluster of games could go a long way in pulling away from that pack that sits with us around that last playoff spot.

Food for thought....who does Neil replace when hes back in line-up?


I see a rotation of zenon and winnie and condra and butler

When neil draws in i see him playing with smith and daug then a butler-winnie/zenon-condra line



That Daug-Smith-Cond ra line has been lights out in recent games. All 3 are pretty good penalty killers.

Personally -- I see Konopka come out for Neil.
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0 #80 The Apostle 2011-12-02 15:56
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting SkipOPot2Mus:
Sooo brassard to ottawa even more likely now. I wonder what ottawa would have to give up. My guess is:

Kuba(possibly) or Lee maybe wiercoch added
and a 2nd rounder

for brassard and a 6th or something

Why more likely? Situation has not changed. Ottawa likes him but they need CBJ to take money back. I would assume CBJ is looking for young players and picks, not a contract.



i think you are confusing need with want Chirp.
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0 #81 Sandy 2011-12-02 15:57
[Quoting Bruinblaster:
Sad that a few of the DUMB signings at D will likely lead to several prospects leaving the organization at the end of the year. Too bad for these young guys but they will likely do fine in other organizations with a need.


Yeah -- like Derek Smith going to Calgary this past year. He played really well down the strech last year.. I wish the Sens could have kept him along with Kinrade. I think they would both have done well in Ottawa this season.
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+1 #82 The Apostle 2011-12-02 16:01
Quoting Sandy:
[Quoting Bruinblaster:
Sad that a few of the DUMB signings at D will likely lead to several prospects leaving the organization at the end of the year. Too bad for these young guys but they will likely do fine in other organizations with a need.


Yeah -- like Derek Smith going to Calgary this past year. He played really well down the strech last year.. I wish the Sens could have kept him along with Kinrade. I think they would both have done well in Ottawa this season.



Derek Smith is/was a perfectly servicable player but he was never going to be part of the long term solution here in Ottawa. He would be something like 11th or 12th on our depth chart.
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+1 #83 Sandy 2011-12-02 16:06
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting Sandy:
[Quoting Bruinblaster:
Sad that a few of the DUMB signings at D will likely lead to several prospects leaving the organization at the end of the year. Too bad for these young guys but they will likely do fine in other organizations with a need.


Yeah -- like Derek Smith going to Calgary this past year. He played really well down the strech last year.. I wish the Sens could have kept him along with Kinrade. I think they would both have done well in Ottawa this season.



Derek Smith is/was a perfectly servicable player but he was never going to be part of the long term solution here in Ottawa. He would be something like 11th or 12th on our depth chart.


He's doing pretty decent in Calgary this year..
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+1 #84 The Apostle 2011-12-02 16:10
Quoting Sandy:


Derek Smith is/was a perfectly servicable player but he was never going to be part of the long term solution here in Ottawa. He would be something like 11th or 12th on our depth chart.


He's doing pretty decent in Calgary this year..

Exactly my point, I'm sure he would have done a similar servicable job here but we already have 8 dmen with the big club (i'm counting Carkner) and you would have to assume that WireCock, Gryba and Borowiecki would be people we would want to be playing more than him if we get injuries

we have a bunch of OK in our second level D prospects so Smith and Benoit (who also played well last year) are expendable. It's not like we let a Chara walk away for nothing again.
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0 #85 PraiseAlfie84 2011-12-02 16:10
1G, 1A, and +4 in 18 games isn't really "decent" but the whole Flames squad is suffering right now...
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0 #86 Alcatraz 2011-12-02 16:11
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting Sandy:
[Quoting Bruinblaster:
Sad that a few of the DUMB signings at D will likely lead to several prospects leaving the organization at the end of the year. Too bad for these young guys but they will likely do fine in other organizations with a need.


Yeah -- like Derek Smith going to Calgary this past year. He played really well down the strech last year.. I wish the Sens could have kept him along with Kinrade. I think they would both have done well in Ottawa this season.



Derek Smith is/was a perfectly servicable player but he was never going to be part of the long term solution here in Ottawa. He would be something like 11th or 12th on our depth chart.


He's doing pretty decent in Calgary this year..


Have you seen their depth chart and their prospect cupboard?
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0 #87 SensFanInToronto 2011-12-02 23:50
Anderson is not the problem, Phillips is. He makes perfect deflections that beat Anderson.

Trade Phillips (3.08mil) For Brassard (3.2Mil)
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