Tuesday, 06 September 2011 12:28

Tom Says...

The off season is almost over.

The Sens rookie camp kicks off this weekend which means there will finally be some actual hockey to talk about.  In the meantime, it's time for the first article from our new contributor, Tom.  Here's what Tom Says...

With the start of the season quickly approaching, Senators players will begin to find their way back to the Nation’s Capital for some informal workouts before the official start of training camp gets underway Sept.16th.

This season, there will be a ton of new faces. It’s almost impossible to remember a time when there was this much competition for roster spots at a Senators training camp.

Forwards will be vying for the 1 or 2 top 6 positions left empty by former mainstays like Mike Fisher and Chris Kelly, but its on defense where the biggest questions marks remain. Defensemen reporting to camp are going to look around and say “Whoa…there are a lot of dudes here”.

The Guarantees

Chris Phillips and Sergei Gonchar will slot in as the vets on a team full of young guys looking to learn what they can from a couple of players who have been around the block. Phillips should hopefully return to form after a season in which he looked a little lost without long time defensive partner Anton Volchenkov.

Also look for Sergei Gonchar to have a much-improved second season in Ottawa. After signing a free-agent deal in Ottawa Gonch seemed to be a little out of sorts. Not to mention the fact that Cory Clouston misused him for much of the season. Gonchar should feel a little more at home in Ottawa this year and will be a great role model for our young offensive defenseman (not to mention a little Russian named Nikita).

Another guarantee is Erik Karlsson. Coming off of an All-Star calibre season, Karlsson will look to raise the bar even higher for himself and cement himself as one of the best young defenders in the league. At the age of 21, Karlsson is a borderline veteran on a team where there are more questions than answers. Look for him to have another big season.

From there, things get a little more complicated.

The Question Marks

Filip Kuba, barring a trade or major injury, will be a part of the defensive core in Ottawa. Like him or not, the guy is a more than serviceable NHL defenseman who has fallen on some hard times. In the 2010 Winter Olympics Kuba injured his back. He elected to have surgery in the offseason to repair the damage and worked through the offseason to get himself back into game shape. Training camp began and then literally 5 minutes into training camp for the 2010-2011 season, Kuba broke his leg. The rehab had to start again. In the last season or so, people in Ottawa have soured on Kuba, citing him as the source of all of our problems, but keep in mind how difficult it is to come back from two major injuries like the ones Kuba suffered. Anyone who has ever broken a bone will tell you that it is virtually impossible to have the same range of motion or push that bone to the same limits you were able to before you injured it. Kuba looked visibly slower, and seemed unable to confidently make his pivots on his injured leg.  However, Kuba began to regain his form in the final 15-20 games of the season. He was noticeably more mobile, and even scored a few goals (IMAGINE THAT!). Coming into the season 100% healthy, look for Kuba to have a bounce back season.

Carkner, who is a free agent at seasons end, seems destined to fill the role of the 7th defenseman. He is an average NHL d-man and can play a role for this team when needed. Keep in mind that Carkner was more of a stopgap solution in Ottawa while our defensive prospects matured into NHL players.

Brian Lee is ridiculously confusing. One minute he seems like the worst possible player in the NHL, sitting in the press box for 25 games at a time, and the next minute he is leading the team in hits, playing a sound defensive game, and looking like he belongs in the NHL. He is often labeled as a bust, but he clearly has set out to prove that he belongs in the NHL and I believe that he does. If he continues on the same trajectory that he finished the year on, I believe that Lee could become a solid, everyday, bottom pairing defenseman.

The Young Guys

David Rundblad is expected to come in and make a big splash for the Senators in his first pro season in North America. He has sky-high expectations coming into the start of the season. It seems like many expect him to step in and score 50 pts. I however do not see it this way. 

There is no denying that he is a supreme talent, and that he will be a game changer on the blueline for the Senators for seasons to come, but I see him taking a similar path to that of Erik Karlsson in his first NHL season. Karlsson started the year with the Sens and looked out of place on the smaller North American ice. He had a hard time keeping up with the increased speed and was clearly frazzled by the higher skill level of his competition. After 9 games the Sens sent him to Binghamton to work on his game, improve his confidence and get acclimatized to playing in North America. The way I see it, the Senators will be very cautious with Rundblad. The coaching staff will give him every chance to succeed in Ottawa right out of the gate, but with a team full of puck moving defenseman like Karlsson, Kuba, and Gonchar already on the team, Bryan Murray should feel no pressure to put this kid in the lineup immediately. If he struggles the same way Karlsson did in his first few games they shouldn’t hesitate to send him to the AHL for some conditioning. Look at what it did for Karlsson’s overall game.

Jared Cowen on the other hand looks poised to steal a full time spot in the Senators lineup. Coming off of another stellar season with the Spokane Chiefs, Cowen was added to the roster during the Binghamton Senators run to the Calder Cup Championship and looked like he belonged, taking away ice time from guys like Patrick Weircoich who had played the whole season in Bingo. A Calder Cup Championship, along with a strong showing at the World Junior Championship proved that Cowen had made significant strides in his development and proved that he could play big minutes in pressure filled situations, not to mention the added boost it gave to his confidence.

My Predictions

So, with all that said, here is how I see the defense shaking out at the start of camp, barring any injuries or trades.

Phillips-Karlsson

Gonchar-Cowen

Kuba-Lee

Carkner

I figure we will see Mr.Murray make a few roster moves either at the start of the season or at the trade deadline. I’m predicting that Kuba will bounce back and increase his value. Look for him to be traded at the deadline. The same goes for Matt Carkner.  As a free agent, he may be the kind of guy a team looks at to bolster their toughness. If it goes the way I think it will, look for Rundblad to be promoted midway through the season once a couple of bodies have been moved out due to injury or trade and he has had time to get used to the North American game while playing big minutes in Bingo.

It is entirely possible that both Cowen and Rundblad make the team out of camp, but in my opinion I don’t really see them starting the year with 2 rookies in the d-corps when we already have an abundance of NHL ready defenseman.

So this is how I see it all shaking out. Let me know in the comments how you see things shaping up or send me a tweet on twitter (@TomSENS).

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+2 #1 Round Leaf 2011-09-06 12:06
I think that you're being too optimistic in your thinking that Kuba's going to have a bounce back year and we'll get anything for him at the deadline. There's no way we'd get anything more than a third round pick.

I also don't like your thinking that its wrong to have too many rookies on this team. Why? We have nothing to lose, we know we aren't going to win the cup this year. The focus is on development so the players who are ready should get all the experience they can. There'll be plenty more fresh faces next season anyway. It should also be noted that defenseman take longer to develop than forwards.
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+1 #2 Sandy 2011-09-06 12:06
Good post.... however putting Phillips & Karlsson together could be disastrous. Clouston tried it last year without very good results....

By the way... the Rookie Tournament is definitely on Rogers channell 22 starting this Saturday...4 days away gentleman..
http://www.rogerstv.com/page.aspx?lid=1&rid=4
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0 #3 Johne 2011-09-06 12:12
I thought Kuba was horrible before the injuries, he is an offensive minded defenseman that simply cannot find or clear the puck in his own end.

Lee is a really solid young NHL dman. Unfortunately he was part of the Muckler era/mistakes and will always be thought as to not living up to his potential. He's not going to be flashy, just solid. A utility dman that can play any role but is only a 5-6 dman.

I think Kuba's value can be upped if he finds a lot of time on the PP where he saw extended time during the end of last season and looked pretty comfortable as the qb on the powerplay. Montreal and Vancouver will be down a dman or two within the first month of the season, look for them to come knocking with our surplus.
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0 #4 MethotToMyMadness 2011-09-06 12:14
Great writeup Tom, enjoyed reading it.

For anyone who was following the comments on the last post about airing the NHL rookie tournament. I found the info on Rogers 22, they are airing the tourny starting 2pm Saturday Sept 10th. If you miss it, they look to be showing it again at 10pm that same night. I assume they are broadcasting the Sens game, but they don't mention full details.

http://www.rogerstv.com/page.aspx?lid=1&rid=4
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+1 #5 St Nick 2011-09-06 12:17
Interesting & good read but I see the exact opposite happening. I think it will be Rundblad that makes the team out of training camp & Cowen going back to Bingo for a few months until as you say a trade or injury happens.

Rundblad already has NHL speed & has been playing with men for the past few yrs in the SEL. Rundblad can play either side effectively. Cowen played junior & although he had a very good Calder Cup run he may still have some problems with the speed of the NHL. However, we could also see the two of them going back & forth replacing each other throughout the yr as we saw Z. Smith going back & forth several times last season. Cowen will definately replace Kuba when he is traded & hopefully play next to Karlsson. IMO Gryba will be the guy who replaces Carkner or Lee if one or both are traded.

I also have different pairings in mind:

Gonchar - Rundblad
Kuba - Karlsson
Phillips - Carkner/Lee
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-5 #6 Tookie 2011-09-06 12:18
Some pretty bold guarantees!

Nonetheless entertaining, you delved deep into the D-Corps for the upcoming season and I think for the most part, your correct in your assessments.

Just a few things I disagree with is Karlsson' overall game improving with 12 games in Bingo? His defensive game is still horrible.

Kuba is a shadow of his former self, I dont believe he will return to form. Like you said, after 2 major surgeries, his strength and overall ability has diminished never to return.

And Rundblad starting in Ottawa and Cowen going to Bingo, to me Cowen seemed a bit taken a back in the Dev camp. He still has trouble with the puck on his stick.
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+1 #7 comic_dude 2011-09-06 12:18
really good post. Bryan Murray will be a guest on Team 1200 today at 3:25pm
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+1 #8 conservativeHippie 2011-09-06 12:26
Great article! Enjoyed reading it. Good pickup, Chirp!
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-3 #9 Seels 2011-09-06 12:29
I hope PM can make the Phillips - Karlsson duo work because to me it is the best looking pair on paper. Cowen I'm pretty positive plays on the left, and him with Gonch on the right also looks good. If Kuba does have a bounce back year Kuba - Lee does not look bad either.. I like it.
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+2 #10 Johne 2011-09-06 12:39
It's been said before and I'll say it again. I think Cowen is a shoe-in to make the team since the staff felt like he was ready to make the team out of last camp.
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+1 #11 Round Leaf 2011-09-06 12:58
Quoting Tookie19:

Just a few things I disagree with is Karlsson' overall game improving with 12 games in Bingo? His defensive game is still horrible.


Geez, you want the world from a 20 year old? He was only in his second year and was the best player on a bottom five team in the league. Not only that, but I think he was one of the league leaders in takeaways last season.
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-4 #12 Sensnation 2011-09-06 13:00
Interested why you didn't mention Da Costa, Peterson or Filatov? The more I see about Da Costa, the more it seems like he's actually ready to contribute, maybe even in a 2nd line C role.

I would disagree about Carkner, he was signed to be what he is, another enforcer to help alleviate the pressure on Neil to take every fight. But I do agree his role is now that of a 7th Dman.

I still say trade or waive Kuba and let the D be:

Cowen - Karlsson
Rundblad - Gonchar
Phillips - Lee
Carkner
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+1 #13 SlickRick 2011-09-06 13:03
Thanks for the Rogers info Sandy and Madpajamma...th e wife won't be happy though, as I will be into the wobbly-pops before dinner!
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+5 #14 TomSENS 2011-09-06 13:07
Quoting JABSmilez:
Interested why you didn't mention Da Costa, Peterson or Filatov? The more I see about Da Costa, the more it seems like he's actually ready to contribute, maybe even in a 2nd line C role.

I would disagree about Carkner, he was signed to be what he is, another enforcer to help alleviate the pressure on Neil to take every fight. But I do agree his role is now that of a 7th Dman.

I still say trade or waive Kuba and let the D be:

Cowen - Karlsson
Rundblad - Gonchar
Phillips - Lee
Carkner

Didn't mention them because they aren't defenceman.
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0 #15 Smash_88 2011-09-06 13:26
Quoting Round Leaf:
Quoting Tookie19:

Just a few things I disagree with is Karlsson' overall game improving with 12 games in Bingo? His defensive game is still horrible.


Geez, you want the world from a 20 year old? He was only in his second year and was the best player on a bottom five team in the league. Not only that, but I think he was one of the league leaders in takeaways last season.


Nothing wrong with what he said... Karlsson is an awesome player no doubt, but his defensive game is lacking quite a bit... He didn't say Karlsson was a bad player or anything...
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-3 #16 Sensnation 2011-09-06 13:38
Quoting Smash_88:
Quoting Round Leaf:
Quoting Tookie19:

Just a few things I disagree with is Karlsson' overall game improving with 12 games in Bingo? His defensive game is still horrible.


Geez, you want the world from a 20 year old? He was only in his second year and was the best player on a bottom five team in the league. Not only that, but I think he was one of the league leaders in takeaways last season.


Nothing wrong with what he said... Karlsson is an awesome player no doubt, but his defensive game is lacking quite a bit... He didn't say Karlsson was a bad player or anything...


Actually it's his physical game that is lacking, not his defensive game. Defensively he's pretty decent, as his takeaway numbers showed. Obviously he still makes some ill-advised passes or moves, and gets beat due to taking the wrong line of attack, but I don't think his lack of size equates to him being bad defensively.
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+2 #17 Round Leaf 2011-09-06 13:41
Quoting JABSmilez:


Actually it's his physical game that is lacking, not his defensive game. Defensively he's pretty decent, as his takeaway numbers showed. Obviously he still makes some ill-advised passes or moves, and gets beat due to taking the wrong line of attack, but I don't think his lack of size equates to him being bad defensively.


exactly right. Most of the trouble that he gets into comes from him being undersized. He has good defensive awareness but is just better off in open ice rather than along the boards.
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+3 #18 Johne 2011-09-06 13:43
@JABS

exactly.

not sure if people expect Karlsson to end up like a mini-Chara physically or what.

I think he is amazing at what he does and maximizes his potential with what he has. The bad pass and ill advised pinches is all just a part of learning the game. If Spezza can do it, anyone can.
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+1 #19 Smash_88 2011-09-06 13:44
Yeah I agree his awareness is good, but being able to take people off the puck is a defensive aspect of the game...
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-1 #20 Sensnation 2011-09-06 13:45
Quoting TomSENS:

Didn't mention them because they aren't defenceman.


Sorry Tom, brain's on slow this morning. Didn't notice it was only Dmen.
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0 #21 Round Leaf 2011-09-06 13:46
Quoting Smash_88:
Yeah I agree his awareness is good, but being able to take people off the puck is a defensive aspect of the game...


...Or take the puck from the player. As I said earlier, I believe that Karlsson was one of the best in the league in takeaways last year.
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-1 #22 Smash_88 2011-09-06 13:47
I don't think people expect Karlsson to be Chara, I don't think that was ever mentioned, but if he continues to be beat physically, defensively, whatever you want to call it, he will never be considered an elite player, which is what a lot of people are calling him already...
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+2 #23 Johne 2011-09-06 13:49
@Smash

he can be an elite offensive defenseman.
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-4 #24 Smash_88 2011-09-06 13:50
Quoting Johne:
@Smash

he can be an elite offensive defenseman.


I guess so, but then why not just make him a forward?
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0 #25 Patrick1 2011-09-06 13:51
Nice work Tom and I tend to agree with you. All things considered, I'm pleased we hung on to Lee as I have a feeling he will get better and better and we move FW. I also think your predictions (defensive pairings) are solid. Rundblad will start the season in Bingo for seasoning and at some point in the year we'll trade Kuba for a pick. We'll then bring up Rundblad to finish the season in Ottawa. Now what to do with Wiercoch, Gryba, others in the system? It's a good problem to have. Go Sens Go!
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0 #26 Smash_88 2011-09-06 13:54
Don't get me wrong though, Karlsson is a beauty to watch and I have no doubt he will be a seriously good defenceman in time, I just don't think we can put him up there with the Top defenceman just yet...
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-2 #27 Sensnation 2011-09-06 13:54
Quoting Smash_88:
I don't think people expect Karlsson to be Chara, I don't think that was ever mentioned, but if he continues to be beat physically, defensively, whatever you want to call it, he will never be considered an elite player, which is what a lot of people are calling him already...


I don't think all elite players have to excel at every single facet of the game. Part of the reason so many fans are so hard on Gonchar is that they didn't realize his defense isn't that good before last year. He's definitely been considered elite throughout his career though. Same with Sandis Ozolinsh in his Colorado prime days and many other OFDs.

I'd just say don't expect Karlsson to be a Shea Webber, Drew Doughty type, expect more of a good all around player, with exceptional offensive ability.
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-4 #28 Mitchell 2011-09-06 13:56
give tom a break, i thought it was a great topic and his opinion is just as good as any of ours since we are not Paul MacLean or Bryan Murray.
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-3 #29 Sensnation 2011-09-06 14:06
Quoting Mitchell:
give tom a break, i thought it was a great topic and his opinion is just as good as any of ours since we are not Paul MacLean or Bryan Murray.


What? Who's harping on Tom?
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-2 #30 Patrick 2.0 2011-09-06 14:12
Once again...I agree with pretty much everything you write. The only thing I would disagree with is that I think top pairing will be phillips/Goncha r. I see what you've done (split up the veterans with young blood). Who will be paired with Karlsson? I don't know...my gut says Kuba/Karlsson on second pairing, but that's not what I would do if I was coach, which I'm not lol, but that's what my gut is telling me. Leaving Cowen/Lee, maybe even Cowen/Carkner if Lee starts off weak. Those aren't my ideal lines, but it's how I see it starting off, but, hopefully Runblad will squeeze in there somehow.
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-3 #31 Mitchell 2011-09-06 14:17
Quoting JABSmilez:
Quoting Mitchell:
give tom a break, i thought it was a great topic and his opinion is just as good as any of ours since we are not Paul MacLean or Bryan Murray.


What? Who's harping on Tom?


#1 that's for sure
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+1 #32 MethotToMyMadness 2011-09-06 14:20
I think Tom had a great artical, it opened the floor for debat which is what everyone here is doing. In a time when people want something to talk about, it fit the bill. Good work Tom, now lets see how many of those predictions happen. That's the beauty of it all.

Rundblad - I've posted on here many times about this kid, right after he was picked up from Ottawa at the draft. I LOVED this move by BM and soon everyone will see why. But what I can't determine is if the SEL experience will translate over to NHL as quick as some think? There are mountainous differences between the two leagues, Ice size, speed, style of play, the list goes on. The key here will be how he adapts to the changes. I have such high expectations for him that I do want to see him in a Sens Jersey this year. But I'll do my best not to be upset if he needs a full season in Bingo to adjust to the NA style of play.
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0 #33 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-09-06 14:28
Murray is on the team 1200 now !!
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+1 #34 MethotToMyMadness 2011-09-06 14:56
Quoting Sandy:
Good post.... however putting Phillips & Karlsson together could be disastrous. Clouston tried it last year without very good results....

By the way... the Rookie Tournament is definitely on Rogers channell 22 starting this Saturday...4 days away gentleman..
http://www.rogerstv.com/page.aspx?lid=1&rid=4


I was reviewing the Senators Rookie Camp guide. It mentions Saturday, Sept 9th at 2pm Pittsburgh vs. Ottawa so that's the game on Rogers 22. Then at 2pm on Sunday, Ottawa plays Chicago. Then Tues Sept 14 at 7pm is Ottawa vs Toronto.

If anyone has Friday morning off before the tourny, you can watch them practice at the SensPlex at 9:30am.
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+3 #35 Muckalt 2011-09-06 15:14
There was a time last year when the team struggled and many posters said it would all be okay once Kuba returned. When the crappy play continued, many posters said it was all Kuba's fault. I think it is important to keep him on the team so that we will always have someone to blame.
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+2 #36 Hax 2011-09-06 15:27
Carry 8 D. Platoon the younger guys, bench guys who aren't improving, give the old guys a night off when their bodies need it, play Carkner on the fourth line if circumstances require it.

Plenty of ways to get ice time for everyone until someone either plays their way to Bingo for a long run (i.e. Cowen or Rundblad are too green) or until someone can be moved.
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+3 #37 Round Leaf 2011-09-06 15:49
Quoting Mitchell:


#1 that's for sure


How am I harping on him? I've stated that I disagree with some of his points and offered my own opinion.

I think the article was well written and its obvious that he is savvy when it comes to the game and the organization.

Its just my opinion that more minutes need to be given to Karlsson, Cowen, Rundblad and even Lee and less to Phillips, Gonchar and Kuba. 3 years down the road when all the pieces are in place, we don't want these guys to still be learning the NHL style game because we gave too many minutes to Kuba and Gonchar.
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-5 #38 Mitchell 2011-09-06 15:59
Quoting Round Leaf:
Quoting Mitchell:


#1 that's for sure


How am I harping on him? I've stated that I disagree with some of his points and offered my own opinion.

I think the article was well written and its obvious that he is savvy when it comes to the game and the organization.

Its just my opinion that more minutes need to be given to Karlsson, Cowen, Rundblad and even Lee and less to Phillips, Gonchar and Kuba. 3 years down the road when all the pieces are in place, we don't want these guys to still be learning the NHL style game because we gave too many minutes to Kuba and Gonchar.


agreed that you are able to make an opinion. though your first statement of telling tom he is being too optimistic and then cutting up kuba was pretty harsh. that's what i was getting at. if your giving your opinion give your opinion, don't cut others up
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-4 #39 Sensnation 2011-09-06 16:16
Quoting Hax:
Carry 8 D. Platoon the younger guys, bench guys who aren't improving, give the old guys a night off when their bodies need it, play Carkner on the fourth line if circumstances require it.

Plenty of ways to get ice time for everyone until someone either plays their way to Bingo for a long run (i.e. Cowen or Rundblad are too green) or until someone can be moved.


I think what's often forgotten when discussions arise about the abundance of upcoming talent this year, is that it's not only on D, there are quite a few forwards who will come into camp honestly expecting they have a shot at a NHL role, but will be stuck going back to Europe or the AHL. Moving Carkner to forward, would just create a similar problem up front, imo, especially since he would require 4th line role at best and our bottom 6 is where we have the most depth. Just my opinion though, the idea makes sense overall.
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-4 #40 aligator 2011-09-06 16:24
This Tom guy is completely out of it if he thinks Cowen is ahead of Runblad. Not even close. And Runblad is also waaaay ahead Of where Karlsson was as a rook. Unless this commenrary was just meant to provoke, Tom needs to be retired before he spouts anymore of this ridiculous balderdash. I am attempting to be polite.
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0 #41 Johne 2011-09-06 16:34
@aligator

you're completely out of it if you think that if both of these guys are NHL ready that Murray won't make room for the BOTH of them.
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+1 #42 Hax 2011-09-06 16:41
Quoting JABSmilez:
Moving Carkner to forward, would just create a similar problem up front


Not suggesting a permanent move at all and really only would play him on the fourth line if there was room and/or a need. Just saying that there could be some games to get Carkner in the lineup that way if a forward or two gets hurt or something.
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-4 #43 Sensnation 2011-09-06 16:53
Quoting Hax:
Quoting JABSmilez:
Moving Carkner to forward, would just create a similar problem up front


Not suggesting a permanent move at all and really only would play him on the fourth line if there was room and/or a need. Just saying that there could be some games to get Carkner in the lineup that way if a forward or two gets hurt or something.


Agreed and if there's room it makes sense!

Random Thought - Is there really anyone on this team other than Neil and Konopka who are not out to prove something this year ... gonna be a fun camp!
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+2 #44 Round Leaf 2011-09-06 17:07
Yost had the sportsbooks odds for each team to win their respective conferences. It was deemed that Ottawa was twice as unlikely as any other team in the league to be crowned conference champ at the end of the year (100 to 1 odds).

Even the most optimistic Sens fan will tell you that we won't be the best team in the East next year. But isn't this an instance of not only selling us short, but selling us short and spitting in our faces? I mean, Colorado, Edmonton and Florida have 35 to 1 odds. Why the love there?
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0 #45 Rampy 2011-09-06 18:14
"Forwards will be vying for the 1 or 2 top 6 positions left empty by former mainstays like Mike Fisher and Chris Kelly"

I stopped reading here. Chris Kelly was never even close to a regular in the top six. Not sure I can read articles like this if we're not going to make sure the facts are correct.
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0 #46 MethotToMyMadness 2011-09-06 18:53
Quoting Round Leaf:
Yost had the sportsbooks odds for each team to win their respective conferences. It was deemed that Ottawa was twice as unlikely as any other team in the league to be crowned conference champ at the end of the year (100 to 1 odds).

Even the most optimistic Sens fan will tell you that we won't be the best team in the East next year. But isn't this an instance of not only selling us short, but selling us short and spitting in our faces? I mean, Colorado, Edmonton and Florida have 35 to 1 odds. Why the love there?


Funny you bring this up, I was going to mention it. It's an interesting read for sure. Minus the part where he talks about Cowen being 240lbs cause I went and read the article and if they did type that it was originally a typo which they corrected.
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0 #47 brad11sens 2011-09-06 19:17
good article i generally agree with it, kuba i think we hope to get a 4th rounder for at the trade deadline, nothign too much. as for you d-line combos i think its more likely to be:

Gonchar- Karlsson

Phillips - Cowen

You play Karlsson with the offensive guy to get him learning directly with him, and Cowen working direvtly with Phillips because thats pretty much Cowens job to replace Phillips
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+1 #48 richardson711 2011-09-06 20:32
I agree with all that he said.

I am an avid Kuba hater, but in the last few months I've listened to the other side of his story and it sounds like if he is healthy and starts the year off right he MAY (big MAY) do half decent.

One thing though that bothers me is Phillips. I don't think he was worth keeping. and I don't understand why he got a no trade clause. if he is worse this year and we wanna trade him... he has to waive or we are stuck. I hope he does better.

for me, Kuba is at rock bottom and can either stay at rock bottom or improve.
Phillips on the other hand Isn't at rock bottom. I still have some respect for him. but i'm at the point where i'm really critical of his game. so he may end up at rock bottom soon if he doesn't improve.

...and i guess we need their salaries.
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+1 #49 jakester 2011-09-06 20:35
I'm going to be pissed if Rundblad doesn't make the team out of camp. Send Kuba to Siberia - who cares what happens to him. Murray should've traded one of the D already in a package with a couple of forwards. We have to many bodies on this team right now. I think two guys to watch who'll be starting the season in Bingo are Mike Hoffman and Andre Peterssen. Hoffman will be the Bobby Butler version for this year. He's a real sniper and watch him to light it up in Bingo. Peterssen , well just really looking forward to see this little guy fly(Mats Naslund of the year 2010-maybe). Anyways Go Sens Go.
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+1 #50 Floridasensfan 2011-09-06 20:51
My understanding has been Rundblad and Cowan are ready for the NHL, Rundblad was to play in the SEL last year to be ready to jump to the NHL this season. Also they say he is ready. None of this is my opinion as it came from the senators organization not me.

Cowan BM was wondering if he was ready last season and did he make a mistake sending him back.
certainly now he is way better than last year and has proven playing for the cup he is ready to take the next step.

Any of Lee Kuba Carkner being good defence players is irrelevant, for me they have to be better than Rundblad Cowan to consider them staying on the team.

Lee Kuba Carkner if you forget about them being senators and put them on another team they are average players and none of us would be saying lets trade Rundblad or Cowan for them so why would we keep them on the team over Rundblad Cowan.
I would rather see all three of them go and bring up Gryba Rundblad Cowan.
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+1 #51 Floridasensfan 2011-09-06 20:59
Watching Kuba have a bounce back year from being below average up to average is not something I care to see or endure.
If we are saying Kuba can bounce back and be better than Rundblad Cowan or have more upside then that changes things.
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0 #52 alessandro 2011-09-06 21:40
if both Cowen and Rundblad are ready for primtime, look for the sens to buyout either Kuba or Lee.
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-1 #53 Mitchell 2011-09-06 22:31
I think Defense combinations for the first 20 games should be

LD Filip Kuba - RD Erik Karlsson
LD Chris Phillips - RD Sergei Gonchar
RD Brian Lee - RD Jared Cowen
X LD Matt Carkner

Next 20 Games

LD Chris Phillips - RD Sergei Gonchar
LD Filip Kuba - RD Erik Karlsson
RD Brian Lee - RD Jared Cowen
X LD Matt Carkner

The Last 40 Plus

LD Chris Phillips - RD Jared Cowen
LD David Rundblad - RD Erik Karlsson
RD Brian Lee - RD Sergei Gonchar
X LD Matt Carkner
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0 #54 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-09-07 06:22
Quoting Mitchell:
I think Defense combinations for the first 20 games should be

LD Filip Kuba - RD Erik Karlsson
LD Chris Phillips - RD Sergei Gonchar
RD Brian Lee - RD Jared Cowen
X LD Matt Carkner

Next 20 Games

LD Chris Phillips - RD Sergei Gonchar
LD Filip Kuba - RD Erik Karlsson
RD Brian Lee - RD Jared Cowen
X LD Matt Carkner

The Last 40 Plus

LD Chris Phillips - RD Jared Cowen
LD David Rundblad - RD Erik Karlsson
RD Brian Lee - RD Sergei Gonchar
X LD Matt Carkner


Nice defense pairings all thru the games.

However, I believe that Gonchar shoots left ,and as such is a LD. The only time Gonchar is used as RD should be on Power Play.
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-4 #55 Andrews Theory 2011-09-07 08:33
"Lee Kuba Carkner if you forget about them being senators and put them on another team they are average players and none of us would be saying lets trade Rundblad or Cowan for them so why would we keep them on the team over Rundblad Cowan.
I would rather see all three of them go and bring up Gryba Rundblad Cowan."

I think part of the equation here is about burning a year off of their entry level contract.

One of the biggest factors in being succesful in the new NHL is managing your assets. ie. you need some high end players making well below what they are worth if you are going to succeed.

I'm not suggesting that this will be the only factor in deciding what to do but when you consider the money Karlsson, Cowen and Rundblad will command down the road, that's a big piece of your payroll.
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0 #56 Rizzo 2011-09-07 10:19
Chris Kelly and Mike Fisher top 6 guys? Fish only ever had one year over 50 points, kelly was almost always 3rd or 4th line...

Not to mention Rundblad is what, 30 lbs heavier than Karlsson, and there seems to be a consensus that he is a much more polished player than karlsson was. That will help a lot in the transition from the larger ice.

Pretty poor analysis overall, with typical Sens bias...There is no evidence that gonchar will get better, he very well may get worse as he ages. Seriously, what's his incentive to play hard? He's on his last contract with a rebuilding team, he just has to show up and collect his paycheck. Same with Kuba, he's a big guy who's never played physical in his life. Now he's older and can't get by with all the cutesy stuff.

You know what would be really refreshing? An actual realistic take on the Sens for next year. This site used to be great...now it's like high school creative writing class.
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0 #57 Mitchell 2011-09-07 10:27
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:
Quoting Mitchell:
I think Defense combinations for the first 20 games should be

LD Filip Kuba - RD Erik Karlsson
LD Chris Phillips - RD Sergei Gonchar
RD Brian Lee - RD Jared Cowen
X LD Matt Carkner

Next 20 Games

LD Chris Phillips - RD Sergei Gonchar
LD Filip Kuba - RD Erik Karlsson
RD Brian Lee - RD Jared Cowen
X LD Matt Carkner

The Last 40 Plus

LD Chris Phillips - RD Jared Cowen
LD David Rundblad - RD Erik Karlsson
RD Brian Lee - RD Sergei Gonchar
X LD Matt Carkner


Nice defense pairings all thru the games.

However, I believe that Gonchar shoots left ,and as such is a LD. The only time Gonchar is used as RD should be on Power Play.


Thanks Snoopy Senior. I thought he was RD because he was always on the LD were that was miss using him, so I think he is always suppose to be on the Right
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0 #58 The Apostle 2011-09-07 11:33
I still struggle to agree with those that think Phillips only had one bad year. I'm sure last year had something to do with adjusting to life without Volchenkov, but it's been a rough 2 or even 3 seasons for him.

I'm all for hoping for a bounce back year from him and a steady calm year but I've had enough of seeing the puck go in our net and the camera cut to Phillips as he raises his eyes to the skies.

I am a firm believer that there is a place for sentimentality in professional sports but the contract handed out to Phillips still bugs me, although I will also admit that Murray's options for NHL calibre stay at home dmen were limited.
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0 #59 The Apostle 2011-09-07 11:37
Quoting Rizzo:


You know what would be really refreshing? An actual realistic take on the Sens for next year. This site used to be great...now it's like high school creative writing class.


Part of the problem is that realism apparently makes you a leaf fan or a troll. Or you are just slamming somebody who has a differing opinion.

For a perfect example, Tom writes what he writes, I agree with it and disagree with other parts of it. The first comment here says I don't agree with Tom and then we have a debate on whether we need to cut him a break.Tom put his opinion forward and unless he's delusional I'm pretty sure he knows some people are going to disagree with him.

The debate on this side used to be great but it seems to be forgotten that a debate needs people on both side of the fence.
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