Wednesday, 27 July 2011 09:25

The Search Continues- Day 3

Each day this week, I will featuring one of the five finalists in the search for the new SensChirp contributor.

I have narrowed the search to five contributions and will be posting the entry from each of the final five over the course of this week.  The readers will have a chance to give their feedback at the bottom of the article.

Reality and the Super Fan

In the weeks and months leading up to this years draft, there were a lot of expectations for the Ottawa Senators. Everywhere you looked there was someone making a post on a blog or a tweet for Murray and co. to draft a name like Huberdeau, Landeskog, Couturier, Larsson, Strome or Dougie Hamilton. A few people were even calling for the GM to sell the farm and trade up to the top spot for Nugent-Hopkins.

Some fans thought they were doing their part going to games across the region “scouting” former Ranger’s captain Gabriel Landeskog when he played against the 67’s in March or watching the Voltigeur’s Couturier and Saint John’s Huberdeau play against the Olympique in the QMJHL playoffs. The reality of the situation is that few of us actually have scouting credentials and even fewer actually took into account what this team really needs; an NHL ready top 6 forward, who can put the puck in the net on a regular basis.

On the morning of June 24th 2011, the day of this years draft in Minnesota, there was a rumour going around that the Colorado Avalanche had sent Paul Stastny and the 2nd overall pick to the Senators for Jason Spezza and the 6th overall pick. It’s hard to believe either club would give up a fan favourite, but given comments made earlier by Stastny’s dad regarding a previous Avs trade, maybe it could be true?

Therein lies the danger of rumours and the so called “Super Fan”. When the Sens stepped up to the podium, going off the predicted path by selecting Mika Zibanejad, I’m sure a lot of people wondered how they had overlooked him or at the very least went to Youtube to view his videos. The reality is that rarely are these fanatical rumours accurate and the inability of these fans to live in the present makes the rest of us scratch our heads.

What I’ve learned from this years draft especially, is it’s best to let the professionals do their jobs. That a player like Sean Couturier (who was as inflated as anyone in this draft) could fall to 8th spot, should be enough for anyone to realize. As fans it’s our responsibility to step back and enjoy the game, instead of trying to become a part of it.

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+5 #1 Johne 2011-07-27 08:33
Another comment promoted to the front page for me. Day 2 continues to be the winner. Too much opinion and yet to be proven players/prospec ts to make this relevant, even though I do agree with the notion of putting it in the hands of the professionals.
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+4 #2 ImNotJoJo 2011-07-27 08:34
Good article. Number 2 is still winning it for me though.
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+11 #3 JohnnyTopshelf 2011-07-27 08:36
I like the major point the writer is making - but overall I find the writing quite weak... feel like it went in circles and lacked flow from point to point and paragraph to paragraph. I would rank this one the weakest of the three so far.
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+6 #4 MethotToMyMadness 2011-07-27 08:38
I still enjoyed day 2 much better, but this was a good read.

As fans we often go overboard when it comes to who the team should pick, but that's because we are die hard fans who love this game and love the Sens. It's true, we don't sit in the room discussing the prospects, we don't attend all the games and see the footage and we most certainly don't sit in the interview room where these guys are really put to the test. There is a lot that goes into these decisions and it is best to leave it up to the professionals. But we can still have our fun... that’s what being a fan is all about.
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+2 #5 Jani Hurme 2011-07-27 08:44
In other words, we should all stop reading SensChirp because we don't know anything ;)
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+1 #6 SensChirp 2011-07-27 08:46
Quoting Jani Hurme:
In other words, we should all stop reading SensChirp because we don't know anything ;)

Haha yea that was sort of what I got out of it too. Interesting topic and thought it would be good for some discussion.
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+2 #7 ImNotJoJo 2011-07-27 08:52
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Jani Hurme:
In other words, we should all stop reading SensChirp because we don't know anything ;)

Haha yea that was sort of what I got out of it too. Interesting topic and thought it would be good for some discussion.

Yup. Discussion is what we need for once.

I am extremely happy Murray was able to get 3 picks in the first round. You never know with Puempel and Noesen. Remember in the 1999 draft when we took Havlat 26th overall and he ended up being the best player in the draft apart from the Sedins at 2 and 3? Could pay off nicely for us.
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+4 #8 Bradweiser 2011-07-27 08:56
2 > 1 > 3
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0 #9 -zs 2011-07-27 08:56
This is actually my least favorite entry so far. While the first one wasn't very exciting, at least it wasn't a shot at all the readers.

Not only that, I feel as though a lot of the comments were totally ignorant. I'm pretty sure everyone on here knew exactly who Zibby was before the draft, he was rated right in that range where we selected him, it wasn't off the radar. We don't need an NHL ready forward, we need the best player in 3-4 years after developing.

This is just an opinion of a superfan, trying to tell others not to be a superfan. 2nd article still way out in front for me, not even a competition.
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-12 #10 sben 2011-07-27 09:03
good article full of fact rather than some of the possible baloney that the last article was throwing around overall good can't really compare because each one is talking about different things. This article talks about something fans are interested in and know whereas the first article fans knew about halfway and it wasn't to complex it wasn't something you can really sink your teeth into the second one was absolute garbage I hope senschirp doesn't hire the second article guy this article is something you can really make up your own theories rather than having one shoved in front of your face so overall this one is one more based on facts which I like
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+8 #11 Andrews Theory 2011-07-27 09:12
I think we are all on the same page.

Most of us believe in the scouting staff and recognize that people more capable than ourselves are guiding this ship.

with that said, a fans opinion breeds passion which is something that this city can always use more of when supporting our team. I dream of the day when Ottawa's home grown fans resemble the energy that can be found at a habs game.

let's leave the puppet fans in the American markets.
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+2 #12 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-07-27 09:14
So far, I agree that all 3 are excellent articles, but we have 2 more to reflect upon!

Will SensChirp readers be polled, to select the winner, or do we simply await the decision of SensChirp, in declaring the winner / collaborator ???
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+1 #13 jakester 2011-07-27 09:16
2nd still the best for me too. Let the professionals do their job?? Do you think that some of the Superfans in Long Island had wished they had had more of a say during the MIKE MILBURY days. Some of us are more enlightened than others, but what makes it fun is that we made draft day more interesting by posturing leading up to it! That being said the SENS did a great job on draft day.
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-6 #14 Tookie 2011-07-27 09:29
Not too bad of an article, am I suprised to see people dont like it, no, its how Sens fans are, even in the worst case scenario, they cant accept the dire situation this team was in and still has a long way to go.
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+2 #15 TrueSensFan 2011-07-27 09:36
Meh

I am certainly not a superfan of this article.

It dragged a bit, went in circles, did not flow all that well.

You are submitting an entry for a blog, one where fans share opinions, thoughts, happiness or dissatisfaction with the direction/choic es the team is making but you are telling everyone that it is wrong to do so.

To me this article is suggesting we all become mindless fans void of any sort of opinion or original thought and just watch the games and be happy.

Guess you should find something else to blog about Chirp.
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0 #16 ImNotJoJo 2011-07-27 09:38
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:
So far, I agree that all 3 are excellent articles, but we have 2 more to reflect upon!

Will SensChirp readers be polled, to select the winner, or do we simply await the decision of SensChirp, in declaring the winner / collaborator ???

I think he's saving the best for last.
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+3 #17 Johne 2011-07-27 09:39
Quoting Tookie19:
Not too bad of an article, am I suprised to see people dont like it, no, its how Sens fans are, even in the worst case scenario, they cant accept the dire situation this team was in and still has a long way to go.


But who's to say that Couturier won't be a franchise player or that Strome won't put up 50 goals one day. Zibby could still be a bust (it's my opinion that he won't be and that the staff made a great choice, but I still wanted Strome.). The fact is that all of these prospects are unproven and at least 3-4 years away from being considered a win or a loss.

I think all of this could of been said in a comment, no need for it to be on the front page.
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+7 #18 Stan.Neckar 2011-07-27 09:40
In essence, "don't have fun being a fan. Sit and do as you're told." Absolutely stupid. The whole fun in the draft is predicting who your team will take, because in reality, you won't see the pick pan out for at least a year. This is an embarrassing article.
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0 #19 NotMatt101 2011-07-27 09:48
It was ok in my opinion. It seems that the majority of the community here doesnt like opinion based articles. The first and this one were opinion pieces and the second was more stats\facts based article.

Its my belief that the new contributor should be able to write both types of articles. Come next season SensChirp will be writing alot more fact based and less opinion based articles, so wouldnt it be a good thing to have someone throw out an opinion piece to get some more conversation going?

Just my 2 cents.
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+5 #20 Sensnation 2011-07-27 09:50
This is in the final 5? I would not go to a website with these types of articles. Telling fans they are too uneducated to have opinions or try to make predictions totally defeats the purpose.

Article #2 really seems to be on a level of it's own right now.

Also "an NHL ready top 6 forward, who can put the puck in the net on a regular basis" does not equate to Zibanejad's scouting report.

Finally, we don't even know how these prospects will turn out yet, so there's still plenty of opportunity for some "experts/scouts " to be proven wrong.

I sure hope the last 2 are really good.
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-12 #21 Thepiga 2011-07-27 09:53
I vote for this one to win. Well written and great points!
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+1 #22 NotMatt101 2011-07-27 09:53
This article was just this persons opinion. Doesnt make it right or wrong. I think it must have been done to create some conversation amongst the community here. Instead its being taken as a slap in the face. Im sure thats not how it was intended.
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+5 #23 Johne 2011-07-27 09:56
@JABS

my thoughts as well.

if I want to read opinions, which I do. I read the comments. But real content is what Chirp and the 2nd article provides. I would never send an opinionated article like #1 and #3 to a friend. I guess some people can't form opinions on their own and like to be told what their opinion should be, but I like to be told the facts and then share my opinion on said facts.
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+2 #24 Blake Ryan 2011-07-27 10:03
Day 2 > Day 3 > Day 1

Too much opinion in this piece, it didn't really fire me up - as for the premise, IMO half the fun of being a fan is investing the time reading and thinking like a gm or coach (arm chair or otherwise). I would much rather cheer for a franchise with a fan base that holds its front office accountable (wrong or right in their assertions) and that's what this whole blog promotes! Even though i am criticizing this one I still liked it a lot more than day 1.

Day 2 is the clear winner so far!
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+3 #25 Stan.Neckar 2011-07-27 10:05
@NotMatt101 I have no problem with opinion pieces. Travis Yost is one of my favourite bloggers and his pieces are 90% opinion. What I do have a problem with is poorly constructed circular arguments that take a shot at trying to have fun being a fan. Both "opinion" pieces have been forced attempts at writing a blog entry with nothing concrete to say.
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0 #26 L McCormack 2011-07-27 10:05
Well said. Speculation is ok... but can sometimes cause disappointment.
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+1 #27 Floridasensfan 2011-07-27 10:10
I think we all get that we leave the decisions to the professionals, its just hard waiting for the daft without speculating who we (they as well) would want on the team.

I also agree without speculation this site does not exist.

speculating is entertainment.

Most people like to give their opinion to contribute, valid or not is self inflicted.

Managment says some prospects are NHL ready and on here you hear they need more time in the AHL.
Armchair GM's all of us.

Entertainment, at least we have enough interest in our team to take the time to speculate.
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0 #28 Johne 2011-07-27 10:11
Quoting NotMatt101:
This article was just this persons opinion. Doesnt make it right or wrong. I think it must have been done to create some conversation amongst the community here. Instead its being taken as a slap in the face. Im sure thats not how it was intended.


I don't know how long you've been a part of the Chirp community, but I can't recall a time that we've ever suffered from lack of 'conversation'.
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+3 #29 The Apostle 2011-07-27 10:12
I think the central premise of this argument is about as off base as it's possible to be. If everybody kept to making comments solely about what they know this forum would soon be over run with tumbleweeds.

Part of being a fan is spouting off about stuff that we aren't experts in. That's why we are fans, or people that ask Andy Sutton questions.

I still think opinion has a place in the guest contributors blog but agree that variety would be useful. Why do we only have to have one guest contributor. Maybe it would just allow the site to get too cluttered if too many people contributed at the front end.
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+9 #30 Hax 2011-07-27 10:12
Hate it - sorry.

Comes off as condesending and like a Monday-morning quarterback.

I get the point and it's valid, fans opinions don't mean shite - but cripes this is a blog - it's all about fan opinions and ideas.

Day 2 in the lead BY FAR (IMO - if I'm allowed to have an O).
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+5 #31 TrueSensFan 2011-07-27 10:20
To those few that are saying the only reason we do not like this article is because it is more opinionated, you could not be more wrong.

I love reading what Chirp has to say and every time I come here I also read the comments which are full of people's opinions and I enjoy reading them.

Opinion absolutely sparks conversation, I agree. I do not dislike this article because it has someone's opinion in it, I dislike it cause it is telling us we should not have one
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0 #32 ImNotJoJo 2011-07-27 10:25
Quoting Johne:
Quoting NotMatt101:
This article was just this persons opinion. Doesnt make it right or wrong. I think it must have been done to create some conversation amongst the community here. Instead its being taken as a slap in the face. Im sure thats not how it was intended.


I don't know how long you've been a part of the Chirp community, but I can't recall a time that we've ever suffered from lack of 'conversation'.

He probably should have said 'constructive conversation'.
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+2 #33 Johne 2011-07-27 10:28
Coming up with murder plota to kill Filip Kuba is 'constructive conversation' dammit.
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0 #34 ImNotJoJo 2011-07-27 10:31
Quoting Johne:
Coming up with murder plota to kill Filip Kuba is 'constructive conversation' dammit.

hahaha You are 100% correct!
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-3 #35 Kathleen Robbins 2011-07-27 10:37
Great article. Well written.
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+2 #36 EH_Matt 2011-07-27 10:42
I don't really care for this one. This is another piece telling me what I should think. What if I enjoy all the speculation and rumours? I know to take them with a grain of salt because it may not come true.

Day 2's blog is still in the lead for sure. If I'd have to rank the 3 so far, I would say:

#1 - Day 2
#2 - Day 3
#3 - Day 1
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+3 #37 ScotM 2011-07-27 10:42
I'm probably breaking the rules here by outing myself as the author, but I'd like to clear up a few points.

a - The article wasn't written to put down the die hard or moderate fans of the club, more intently it was written to identify when fans go a bit further and begin making up rumours instead of letting the scouts do their jobs and make the picks that actually reflect the needs of the club. I have a buddy who works with a guy who constantly questions moves made by the club and suggests trades that are absolutely ridiculous, ie Spezza for Statsny.

b - It was written to bring forth conversation and to state that one player available in the draft whose name was mentioned time after time, ended up being the player most teams passed on.

c - Facts are great and they definitely add relevance to a site like this, but once in a while it's nice to read an opinion piece that asks the "what ifs?". That's all I was trying to do.
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+7 #38 Hax 2011-07-27 10:49
My thoughts in general on what I'd like to see in a back-up to Chirp:

Since Chirp is the "inside info" guy, I think the best compliment would be someone who could pull together stats/facts/res earch that most of us don't have time to do. Opinion is fine of course, but it would take a very strong writer to be always interesting based solely on their opinion pieces. I think we get plenty of that in the comment section anyway.

Basically, I'd like to see something unique and not really similar to Chirp's work or what we see in the comments. Writing ability/style is secondary to me to content.

A Bingo-focused guy/girl would be great too if possible.

My 2 cents anyway.
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+2 #39 TrueSensFan 2011-07-27 10:51
@ScotM

It kinda seems like you felt the need to defend yourself. Please do not take my comments that way.

After reading what you just said, it sounds like the intention of the article got a little lost. Avoiding this is a skill set any writer needs to develop. This is something you might want to work on.

If this is something you enjoy doing and are passionate about, keep working on it man.

After all, these are just my Opinions, they shouldn't matter, right?

jk lol
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+2 #40 Sensnation 2011-07-27 10:51
Quoting Hax:
My thoughts in general on what I'd like to see in a back-up to Chirp:

Since Chirp is the "inside info" guy, I think the best compliment would be someone who could pull together stats/facts/research that most of us don't have time to do. Opinion is fine of course, but it would take a very strong writer to be always interesting based solely on their opinion pieces. I think we get plenty of that in the comment section anyway.

Basically, I'd like to see something unique and not really similar to Chirp's work or what we see in the comments. Writing ability/style is secondary to me to content.

A Bingo-focused guy/girl would be great too if possible.

My 2 cents anyway.


I agree with you Hax, would be nice to get something additional from the extra contributor that we can't just find in the comments section or from Chirp himself.
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-1 #41 ScotM 2011-07-27 11:05
Yes it is an opinion piece and yes it does suggest that at times we could be better suited to hold off our judgements and let the professionals call the shots. I'm not an idiot, I know there are a few points in my article that cut against the grain and bring up things that people don't want to question in themselves or others. That's alright, it's not going to click with everyone. The main point was that sometimes our rumours and speculations are off base to the point of being counter productive.
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0 #42 Tookie 2011-07-27 11:06
Quoting JABSmilez:
I agree with you Hax, would be nice to get something additional from the extra contributor that we can't just find in the comments section or from Chirp himself.


Thats asking alot from a guy who will play second fiddle to Chirp and probably most commentors. Maybe he could have a once a week segment on how the prospects are developing within the system. Focus on our prospects mostly as Chirp focuses on ther big club.
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-2 #43 Deeze 2011-07-27 11:07
Meh.
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0 #44 Cameraman 2011-07-27 11:16
You are right about taking step back and enjoy the game. Probably the most difficult thing to do for all the armchair quarterbacks out there. It seems so natural for us to want to be in control. We can make the best decisions and choices even without knowing all the facts even though we check every blog and article written. But that one statement about stepping back and enjoying the game brings it back to the basics. Yes, hold the ones that are making the decisions and choices accountable for their work but we are the fans and we love the game and want the wins. Enjoy the game!
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+4 #45 Hax 2011-07-27 11:19
Quoting Tookie19:
Thats asking alot from a guy who will play second fiddle to Chirp and probably most commentors. Maybe he could have a once a week segment on how the prospects are developing within the system. Focus on our prospects mostly as Chirp focuses on ther big club.


That might be the best thing actually. A regular set of reports on Bingo, prospects, Sens stats/trends etc. More of a resource than a alternate Chirp.
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-6 #46 sbs138 2011-07-27 11:22
IMO - Monday's is still the best
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-3 #47 sben 2011-07-27 11:25
who here wants to be part of the most thumbed down comment well if you don't then miss out on an all time guiness senschirp record and if you do go to senschirps last post go to comment #23 from the top and thumb it down k? this comment currently has -25 and quickly rising so everybody thumb it down
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0 #48 NikoTn 2011-07-27 11:25
Kind of loopy, but definitely a good opinion based article. I still think Day 2 is the winner.
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+2 #49 T K 2011-07-27 11:26
for me, it lacked insight into the team and so the analysis could not generate any meaningful conclusions. Analysis for its own sake is insufficient. The analysis must lay a foundation for a leap towards a logic -based item of speculation.

My biggest complaint with Yost, to pick an example, is that he'll articulate facts and then jump to some unrelated or illogical conclusion.

This blogger never even dares to make the leap.

A blogger, to me, can be one of 2 things: a reporter that uses special knowledge to educate others (like Chirp) or an analysist that compiles data to generate and support a speculative argument.

Still haven't seen this yet. #2 was closest so far.
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+1 #50 Kogs 2011-07-27 11:26
Alright read, on same level as day 1 ... day 2 was a great read and very interesting
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+1 #51 ScotM 2011-07-27 11:28
@Cameraman Exactly. There's a reason most of us were watching the draft from a pub or a couch in the basement and not sitting at the table with the rest of the brass. We're not the experts. I have no issue with fans questioning moves made by the organization, in all honestly, I welcome it. It brings about discussion and allows us to feel connected to the game we love.
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+3 #52 Hax 2011-07-27 11:31
I'll be the Piers Morgan of the group: None of the three are worthy of being secondary contributor on this site (based on the one article each).

I'm hoping there's something great waiting in the wings for tomorrow or Friday.
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0 #53 NotMatt101 2011-07-27 11:33
Its tough to judge based on 1 article each.
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+2 #54 Hax 2011-07-27 11:36
Quoting NotMatt101:
Its tough to judge based on 1 article each.


Very true of course. But I think if we as a group get to pick two after this week and Chirp has the option of bringing back a third, we can get another look and go from there. If the day 1 or 3 people feel they can do better they can email Chrip and plead their case to get another shot.

But really, neither of those were even decent if they were "chirp of the week" entries. Not brutal, but not great. Day 2 was at least a bit of a unique look though not superbly written either.
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+1 #55 The Apostle 2011-07-27 11:43
It still comes down to what Chirp actually wants from a contributor - he is the boss after all.

I like the idea of having Chirp give an assignment to two finalists so we can compare like to like, maybe get them both to write an opinion based piece and a facts based piece.

Facts are fine and dandy but I think the best contributor would be able to combine both facts and opinions. There should be a place for that, especially if it is too simulate conversation and debate. I know it's generally reading comments that I disagree with that prompts me to reply.

It's all very well doing an analysis of how many goals the sens have scored in the past 5 seasons, but if that's all the piece then so what. Any of us could have got that from any number of places. But if the contributor says and I think this is due to the fact that Filip Kuba is the second coming of Bobby Orr then that would spark debate, and possibly a call to the local lunatic asylum.
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+10 #56 Hax 2011-07-27 11:51
@sben - um, what's your deal dude?

(Apologies to the rest of Chirp-dom if I'm just supposed to ignore this guy until he goes away.)
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+7 #57 Blake Ryan 2011-07-27 11:52
Quoting Tookie19:
Not too bad of an article, am I suprised to see people dont like it, no, its how Sens fans are, even in the worst case scenario, they cant accept the dire situation this team was in and still has a long way to go.


Sometimes i think SlickRick is too hard on you tookie....

But this post makes it pretty clear you aren't really even a fan AT ALL. Referencing the rest of us as "sens fans" who cant see the "dire" situation implies that you yourself aren't even a sens fan, doesn't it? or that you are some hybrid fan that has superior reasoning skills and knows not to invest any hopes into this squad. Its kinda sad man, you really don't get the fun of being a fan. Rooting for your team when they are an underdog makes all the successes twice as sweet. I am well aware we are rebuilding, but I have hope!
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0 #58 Tookie 2011-07-27 12:01
Quoting Blake Ryan:
Its kinda sad man, you really don't get the fun of being a fan. Rooting for your team when they are an underdog makes all the successes twice as sweet. I am well aware we are rebuilding, but I have hope!


Man, how many times do I have to say it...Im an NHL fan first, Ottawa 2nd, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver and last but not least Montreal. In that order.

Your taking things way out of context, did I say were NEVER going to make the playoffs again? No, just not for the next 2 years atleast. I was one of the few lobbying for Zibanejad (after Landeskog), I like the direction we are going in, but most fans think the rebuild is done and that we can compete with this inexperience roster of mostly 3rd & 4th liners.
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+2 #59 miguel 2011-07-27 12:17
I will respect the opinion, but am little confused as to the message. As fans we should not speculate, or make observations, because there are paid professionals in place to make the best decisions, is this the message?
Well then do not make any comments on Clouston, he is a paid professional, and most of us are not, so do not make any judgments on him. Or no one has the credentials to make any comments on Kovaleve because he is a paid professional and those of you who are not paid 5 mil to play hockey in the NHL cannot make any observations, since we do not have his credentials.
Well then I would have to disagree, we as fans have every right to observe and have our own opinions as to what is best for our team,
some good, some bad, some obsurd, but as paying loyal fans, they should have earned the right to say what is best for their team.
IMHO of course
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+1 #60 ImNotJoJo 2011-07-27 12:18
Quoting Hax:
@sben - um, what's your deal dude?

(Apologies to the rest of Chirp-dom if I'm just supposed to ignore this guy until he goes away.)

There are a lot of people who are better off ignored, but I am with ya on that one.
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+1 #61 TrueSensFan 2011-07-27 12:19
Quoting Hax:
@sben - um, what's your deal dude?

(Apologies to the rest of Chirp-dom if I'm just supposed to ignore this guy until he goes away.)


he is 12 and is upset that his balls haven't dropped yet perhaps?

I apologize as I do not usually go down this road but this kid is getting annoying
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+1 #62 SensChops 2011-07-27 12:34
Day 2 > Day 1 > Day 3

IMO

I'm not knocking the writers, they did make it to the final 5 for a reason...

@ScotM

No need to defend yourself. You are a better writer than many who are getting paid to do it. Thanks for submitting your work. That thanks goes to the others who have submitted some material too.
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0 #63 meadowdog 2011-07-27 12:35
Today's entry was just plain awful. Sometimes the fans have got things figured out better than the professionals. I certainly didn't hear any fans lobbying for the Sens to draft Brian Lee ahead of Marc Staal and Anze Kopitar.
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+6 #64 Johne 2011-07-27 12:38
@Chirp

I gotta agree about this sben character, this has gone past the normal, 'just ignore it' qualification. Asking for thumbs up or thumbs down is just as ignorant as the fools who feel they have to 'first' a comment.

I'd rather read Tookie's negativity, which I've actually grown to accept, all day long than to see this garbage about thumbing up or down a comment.

This is hockey dammit and we are manly men, well most of us, except Sandy :D
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+6 #65 SensChirp 2011-07-27 12:42
Doing my best to address it. Deleting the posts as quickly as possible and looking at ways we can ban a user. The guy has posted on here for a while though. Kinda hoping this is just a bizarre phase haha.
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0 #66 miguel 2011-07-27 12:44
sad man, you really don't get the fun of being a fan. Rooting for your team when they are an underdog makes all the successes twice as sweet. I am well aware we are rebuilding, but I have hope!

Man, how many times do I have to say it...Im an NHL fan first, Ottawa 2nd, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver and last but not least Montreal. In that order.

Your taking things way out of context, did I say were NEVER going to make the playoffs again? No, just not for the next 2 years atleast. I was one of the few lobbying for Zibanejad (after Landeskog), I like the direction we are going in, but most fans think the rebuild is done and that we can compete with this inexperience roster of mostly 3rd & 4th liners.
I'll bite
I am an NFL fan first, and not really a one team guy, but then again, I am not all that interested in Football, and do not go to one teams site to comment on that team. just sayin..
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0 #67 conservativeHippie 2011-07-27 12:52
This post is pretty good. Day 2 is still the best in my eyes so far.

Thank you for the article, Mr/Ms anonymous.

PS: So I wasn't the only one who found those "thumbs up if you see the "p" or "1" annoying? Cool...I see no reason to ban the guy, but there should be a way to automate penalties of 2, 4 or 5 days :)

Would still like to know why I have to login to see any comments??? It's not all the time, but it happened again right now. No comments visible as a guest, but I see 66 when logged in...
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+4 #68 Johne 2011-07-27 12:52
There are three things this season I'm hoping for and aren't that unrealistic.

1) David Rundblad to win the Calder.
2) Ottawa to make the playoffs.
3) Filatov to be a success.

Now it will probably take 1 and 3 to make 2 a possibility, but its not that big of a stretch is it?
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-1 #69 Donny1619 2011-07-27 12:53
Best one so far.
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0 #70 MethotToMyMadness 2011-07-27 13:01
Hello fellow Fans

I'd like to steer everyone away from the recent banter and back to what we normally talk about, Hockey.

What are your thoughts on Nathan MacKinnon, the Mooseheads aquired him two weeks ago. I don't know if it's because he's from Cole Harbour, N.S. that he's getting so many comparisons to Crosby. Or it could be the fact that Crosby's agent is his advisor. But from the looks of it, this kid has skills. MacKinnon will be 2013 draft eligible, and a great C on any club. Should Ottawa continue the rebuild until then? lol
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+1 #71 Johne 2011-07-27 13:05
@madpajamma

I fully believe that this 'rebuild' is over. Yes parts will be drafted in the future, but no there will not be another race to the basement to draft a player. The fire sale has been had and this is not a hockey market like Pittsburgh or Chicago that will go through a decade of suffering to build a contender. This is a winning team with a winning mentality going forward.
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0 #72 NotMatt101 2011-07-27 13:05
@ johne - I share your hopes lol

@ madpajamma - I thought that aswell.
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+1 #73 meadowdog 2011-07-27 13:06
Quoting Johne:
There are three things this season I'm hoping for and aren't that unrealistic.

1) David Rundblad to win the Calder.
2) Ottawa to make the playoffs.
3) Filatov to be a success.

Now it will probably take 1 and 3 to make 2 a possibility,
its not that big of a stretch is it?


No Johne, it's not completely out of the realm of possibility but I suspect that even if 1 and 3 come true we may still fall short of the playoffs. As much of an ass as Tookie can be I find his timeline for making the playoffs pretty realistic.

I have no doubt that you will remain a Sens fan either way but my concern is that some of the other overly optimistic fans may bail on the team if things go south in a hurry. I'm keeping my expectations low for this season so any success will be a pleasant surprise. It's all about player development for me this year.
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+4 #74 NotMatt101 2011-07-27 13:09
Im just excited for a young hardworking team!
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0 #75 meadowdog 2011-07-27 13:17
Quoting madpajamma:
Hello fellow Fans

I'd like to steer everyone away from the recent banter and back to what we normally talk about, Hockey.

What are your thoughts on Nathan MacKinnon, the Mooseheads aquired him two weeks ago. I don't know if it's because he's from Cole Harbour, N.S. that he's getting so many comparisons to Crosby. Or it could be the fact that Crosby's agent is his advisor. But from the looks of it, this kid has skills. MacKinnon will be 2013 draft eligible, and a great C on any club. Should Ottawa continue the rebuild until then? lol


If we can draft MacKinnon in 2013 without moving up it gonna mean that the kids we have now aren't as good as we thought they were but then again we'd have Nathan MacKinnon so it's both a best case and a worst case scenerio.
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+1 #76 m410 2011-07-27 13:20
A big reason we read and comment in blogs is that we like being armchair GM's. Especially when we guess it right. So yeah I would not pretend to know more than the pro's but I think we all have a good opinion to share (well, most of us anyway). At the same time, the pro's often get it wrong. And we all have many examples of that!

Cheers.
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+1 #77 Hogan 2011-07-27 13:25
I hated this one. Who are you to say leave it to the professionals and then offer your own opinions on what the team needs or Couturier?

I check this sight to hear from people who are that passionate so i can read it and form my own opinion.

Super fans unite brother
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+7 #78 Blake Ryan 2011-07-27 13:26
@ tookie

I have no problem with your assertions of the probable length of the rebuild, in fact, i agree with it. i am typically on board with your devil's advocate approach to the comment secion- but post #14 made it sound like you weren't a sens fan. And that "sens fans" are all irrational for hoping we outperform your rebuild time line. I expect if you polled the blog 70+% of the people on here would agree that it will be tough to make the playoffs for awhile with such a young roster. All i am saying is that it doesn't seem like you are able to emote as a fan, only as a critic. I think its important to be critical of your team and still recognize the potential for upside. although everyone has a right to cheer on the however many teams however they want. I choose to have 1 team; The critic in me recognizes it will be hard to make the playoffs for a few years, the fan in me hopes we come together exceed expectations and surprise everyone.
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+2 #79 ImNotJoJo 2011-07-27 13:34
Quoting SensChirp:
Doing my best to address it. Deleting the posts as quickly as possible and looking at ways we can ban a user. The guy has posted on here for a while though. Kinda hoping this is just a bizarre phase haha.

It should be the prize for the contest. "Whoever writes the best article gets to pick 1 person to be banned from the SensChrip website".
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+2 #80 NotMatt101 2011-07-27 13:38
@ ImNotJoJo - Great Idea! :P
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-4 #81 senswatch 2011-07-27 13:43
more lessons from pretentious wannabe writers? come on man. please teach us the way of a model fan. i'll start you off,
step 1 - ignore useless drivel like this.
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+2 #82 Tookie 2011-07-27 14:33
Quoting ImNotJoJo:
Quoting SensChirp:
Doing my best to address it. Deleting the posts as quickly as possible and looking at ways we can ban a user. The guy has posted on here for a while though. Kinda hoping this is just a bizarre phase haha.

It should be the prize for the contest. "Whoever writes the best article gets to pick 1 person to be banned from the SensChrip website".


Better start your search for a new blog then :)
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+1 #83 Jordan M 2011-07-27 14:35
Have to agree with the majority of people today and say Day 2 is still the best. I really liked the way yesterdays article read. It flowed well and was a nice smooth read. The other 2 so far are o.k. but I find them a bit choppy of a read and a little too much opinion (also stated by many here.)
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+1 #84 my2sens 2011-07-27 14:40
Don't like this one much... sorry to say...

So far I would have to rank as follows

1. Day 2
2. Day 1
3. Day 3
4.
5.

This one felt too 'personal' in the sense that this his/her view of a super fan... as people mentioned, no true flow to the article either.

However, all being said, helmet goes off as I didn't submit.
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-2 #85 Tookie 2011-07-27 14:41
Quoting Blake Ryan:
I agree that it will be tough to make the playoffs for awhile with such a young roster. All i am saying is that it doesn't seem like you are able to emote as a fan, only as a critic.


Then whats the problem, if we both agree the Sens wont make the playoffs for a couple of years, what does it matter how I cheer the team. I'll be there each home game, like I have for the last 8 years and I'll keep commenting on how poor of a roster we have until Im proven otherwise.

Johne thinks the rebuild is over, after 1 draft, a good one but not a great one, nobody really rdy to make a impact on the club, Puempel, Noesen, Zibanejad, Stone, Silfverberg are all 2-4 years away from making consistent contributions as top 6 players. Most of you just say Sens will make the playoffs but dont offer rational thinking behind it, thinking with your hearts, not your head.
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0 #86 oakster15 2011-07-27 14:46
I say we institute the Filip Kuba rule for commenters. You get more than 25 minuses (thumbs down) and your out!
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0 #87 ScotM 2011-07-27 14:52
Small wonder readership is down around these parts. Calling someone who put a solid couple of hours into an article "embarrassing" or "pretentious" is sad. It's also really easy a month later to say you've heard of Zibanejad, but all the people I spoke to hadn't. Furthermore, it's my opinion that the majority of our fanbase is shortsighted in thinking the rebuild is complete based on a late season firesale. It isn't. It'll likely take 3 to 4 years and we'll be lucky to make the playoffs for at least 2.
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0 #88 TheTyrantWee 2011-07-27 14:57
Lots of people knew the Sens staff was high on Zibanejad. The writer just sounds uninformed. Arguing about fantasy trades is one thing - wanting to be in the loop about what is happening with the team is quite another. The problem with some fans is their inability to separate credible sources from meaningless hit seeking drivel. Here's a tip though - the guys who talk about rumours the least are usually the most accurate when they bring them up.
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+2 #89 SlickRick 2011-07-27 15:01
@Blake Ryan and Tookie #58
Dude, all kidding aside I know you are a hockey fan first and your realistic opinion of Sens chances are probably more accurate the 'optimistic' fan...but we are fans of the SENS, that's why we are optimistic. It would be depressing to go around telling people that they will die someday, even though it is %100 accurate, eventually you will want to tell the person to shut their face for being such a downer. When we watch Sens games we WANT them to win, you want them to lose so you can come on here and say'I told you so'...kinda like a Leaf troll.
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0 #90 Kogs 2011-07-27 15:03
Quoting ScotM:
Small wonder readership is down around these parts. Calling someone who put a solid couple of hours into an article "embarrassing" or "pretentious" is sad. It's also really easy a month later to say you've heard of Zibanejad, but all the people I spoke to hadn't. Furthermore, it's my opinion that the majority of our fanbase is shortsighted in thinking the rebuild is complete based on a late season firesale.


Couple of things:
1) readership is most likely down because it is July 27th and there isn't much hockey news.
2) Zibanejad was invited to Ottawa before the draft so the management could get a look at a couple of draft choices they were interested in - so most of the fans that follow the news/this blog were aware of him leading up to the draft (I'll admit at the start of the 2010 season I had no idea who he was)
3) You sound like Tookie - fans have hope
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+4 #91 Tookie 2011-07-27 15:11
190 goals last year, good for 29th in the league, ahead of the NJ Devils who didnt even have Parise. And as I mentioned a few times, we still dont have much in goal scoring.

Spezza 20-30
Butler 18-26
Michalek 16-24
Alfie 16-24
Foligno 14-20
Filatov 14-20
Greening 8-14
Condra 8-14
Regin 5-13
Neil 5-8
Konopka 2-4
Smith 2-4
Karlsson 10-18
Gonchar 8-10
Rundblad 2-6
Lee 2-6
Kuba 2-6
Phillips 1-6
Carkner 1-4

I think is VERY reasonable for each player, it gives us an avg of about 200 goals give or take, which would put us bottom 5 in the league in scoring.

Many will say the goalie will help alot, well not with the same soft defence, nothing change on the defence except the addition of Rundblad, who will have to adapt for the first few months to NA ice, maybe longer. If you can show me with facts or tendancies that support Ottawa making the playoffs, Im all ears.
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+2 #92 SlickRick 2011-07-27 15:16
That's easy, Spezza will score at least 92 goals this year himself.
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0 #93 Blake Ryan 2011-07-27 15:21
I figured out who tookie really is and why he is so unhappy, i cant believe it took me this long....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxCwfRVl1g4&feature=related
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+1 #94 Sensnation 2011-07-27 15:22
Quoting Tookie19:

If you can show me with facts or tendancies that support Ottawa making the playoffs, Im all ears.


Tookie, I have a very rational explanation of why I think the Sens can make the playoffs. I broke the comparison down in my submission, and if it doesn't make it I will be happy to share it with you next week. From it you can see that we've done it before in this almost exact same situation in 96-97.

I think you obviously see the 1 + 1 = 2 scenario of young developing players + weak top 6 = no playoffs. But I think you need to go further and admit that good coach + good goaltending + great worth ethic, added onto that previous 1+1, CAN actually bring you to the playoffs and makeup for the lack of experience or top end proven scorers.
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-1 #95 Johne 2011-07-27 15:27
Quoting SlickRick:
That's easy, Spezza will score at least 92 goals this year himself.


92 Goals???? You must be a Leafs fan.
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+2 #96 Hax 2011-07-27 15:29
Quoting Tookie19:
Many will say the goalie will help alot, well not with the same soft defence, nothing change on the defence except the addition of Rundblad, who will have to adapt for the first few months to NA ice, maybe longer. If you can show me with facts or tendancies that support Ottawa making the playoffs, Im all ears.


While I'm in the camp that is not expecting playoffs this season, I have to disagree about "nothing change on the defence". You mention adding Rundblad and true he'll need time to adapt, but you have Lee, Karlsson and Cowen all another year improved (and Cowen "there" all year). Plus the chance of (healthy) Kuba and Gonchar being *worse* is slimmer than them being better. Phillips is the only who's not likely to be better than last year.

So while our D has a loooong way to go, I think our expectations should be a better result than last year all things considered.
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+2 #97 MF57 2011-07-27 15:29
Not to be a bastard but all 3 of these have been sub par. Anyone know the actual point of this article?
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0 #98 Kogs 2011-07-27 15:30
Quoting JABSmilez:


I think you obviously see the 1 + 1 = 2 scenario of young developing players + weak top 6 = no playoffs. But I think you need to go further and admit that good coach + good goaltending + great worth ethic, added onto that previous 1+1, CAN actually bring you to the playoffs and makeup for the lack of experience or top end proven scorers.


Probably not very often that I would side with Tookie but making the playoffs is a long shot... Sure we have a great coach, but coaches don't play the game; sure we have a good goalie but goalies don't score goals; and finally, we can have the best work ethic of any team but that doesn't make up for our youth and inexperience (especially on defence)
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+3 #99 TrueSensFan 2011-07-27 15:32
Quoting ScotM:
Small wonder readership is down around these parts. Calling someone who put a solid couple of hours into an article "embarrassing" or "pretentious" is sad. It's also really easy a month later to say you've heard of Zibanejad,


Sorry, but this is another good reason you would not be able to cut it having articles put up regularly. You obviously have an issue with people having opinions and or disagreeing with you.

You need to learn to put that shit aside and move on. Your need to defend yourself when people criticize your work would be a huge weakness.

Readership is down because it is late July but still 93 posts so far on this thread alone mind you. I suspect having a writer like you around these parts arguing with everyone that disagreed with you would bring readership down.
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+3 #100 NotMatt101 2011-07-27 15:33
What it all comes down to is if everything goes our way... we will make the playoffs. If they don't were on the outside looking in... and if things are absolutely disastrous well... were in the lottery. With any young team that possesses as much potential as ours, the end result is dependent on how much of that potential is realized.
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0 #101 Tookie 2011-07-27 15:37
Quoting Johne:
Quoting SlickRick:
That's easy, Spezza will score at least 92 goals this year himself.


92 Goals???? You must be a Leafs fan.


Another great post by SlickRick, man I hope he wins the contributor spot, his insight is amazing!
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-1 #102 Tookie 2011-07-27 15:40
@ Hax

You think Cowen will make the team? there isnt room for him this year? And it would just add to the inexperience of the defense. I see Cowen making the team in 2012-13. he is AHL bound this year, he needs it.
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+4 #103 Johne 2011-07-27 15:42
@Tookie19

Cowen was the last cut last season, don't see how he doesn't make the cut this year.
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+1 #104 Sensnation 2011-07-27 15:43
Quoting Kogs:

Probably not very often that I would side with Tookie but making the playoffs is a long shot... Sure we have a great coach, but coaches don't play the game; sure we have a good goalie but goalies don't score goals; and finally, we can have the best work ethic of any team but that doesn't make up for our youth and inexperience (especially on defence)


All I'm saying is we CAN make the playoffs. It's a rational statement and has historical examples to back it up. It definitely involves a few things going right, but just as easy as getting a top 6 pick again would involve a few things going wrong imo.
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+2 #105 Tookie 2011-07-27 15:44
@ JABS

I agree that your analysis makes sense but all those things must come together and in most cases they dont. I'll be happy as all hell of Sens make the playoffs and even come here and kiss all of your asses for weeks!

We dont even know if MacLeans is a good Head Coach, we dont even know if Anderson can put consistent years together, the work ethic was there for the final 20 games last year, can it be there for 82....too many known unknowns.
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0 #106 Johne 2011-07-27 15:44
@JABS

completely agreed on a few things going right vs a few things going wrong. thats why we will be a 9/10 slot team midseason hoping that we jump up a few spots with a strong finish.
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0 #107 NotMatt101 2011-07-27 15:46
@ JABSmilez #104

Agree 100% , while I think its more likely we don't make the playoffs, everything's possible.
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+1 #108 Tookie 2011-07-27 15:47
Quoting Johne:
@Tookie19

Cowen was the last cut last season, don't see how he doesn't make the cut this year.


Gonchar
Phillips
Karlsson
Kuba
Rundblad
Lee
Carkner
----------------
Cowen

The Sens wont carry 8 D's, if nothing changes he doesnt make the team, only Cowen or Rundblad can be sent to AHL and Rundblad has shown to be the more NHL rdy.

You understand this right?
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+1 #109 Sensnation 2011-07-27 15:50
@Tookie - As sens fans, I know we both hope you get a chance to come do that next spring :)

I agree there are a lot of unknowns, but based on my observations I think the chance of it coming together enough to be fighting for the playoffs (~7-11th) is a bit better then 50-50 right now and my bias probably brings that to 60-40 haha
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+1 #110 ScotM 2011-07-27 15:50
@TrueSensFan There's a difference between calling someone opinionated or a bad writer, it's entirely different to call them pretentious or embarrassing. The latter isn't critical and just comes off as a personal attack.
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+2 #111 Johne 2011-07-27 15:51
I think Cowen makes the squad over Rundblad, but thats just my opinion and rewarding Cowen for waiting an extra year. We'll have to wait till camp to find out which is more NHL ready, but I think waivers or a trade will find room for both of them on the blueline.

Starting the season with Rundblad or Cowen in the AHL isn't a bad scenario either. Some team's dmen goes down and out with an injury and then come knocking on our door for a Kuba or Gonchar after hopefully they've been padding their stats.
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0 #112 Floridasensfan 2011-07-27 15:52
Tookie

I don't disagree with your numbers but we play like crap is the bottom numbers, we play great we get closer to the top numbers.
(some on the high end like Kuba Phillips is a bit high but others like Rundblad Smith could be a bit low so who knows.)

really all is left is to expect the sens to play good or bad.

your high numbers or your low numbers.
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0 #113 miguel 2011-07-27 15:52
@ Tookie,
you want facts,
Better Goaltending
Healthy Spezza and Alfie
Better D
Stronger Bottom 6
= Better team
and most importantly as of today, we are all tied for first in the standings, so we have a shot at the playoffs.
If sports were a perfect science and only facts, then why bother watching games, just go by the stats!
Go Sens Go!!!
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+1 #114 Sensnation 2011-07-27 15:53
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Johne:
@Tookie19

Cowen was the last cut last season, don't see how he doesn't make the cut this year.


Gonchar
Phillips
Karlsson
Kuba
Rundblad
Lee
Carkner
----------------
Cowen

The Sens wont carry 8 D's, if nothing changes he doesnt make the team, only Cowen or Rundblad can be sent to AHL and Rundblad has shown to be the more NHL rdy.

You understand this right?


I'm actually in Johne's camp on this, I think Cowen makes the team 1st. I won't cry foul if I'm wrong, but I really think he's on the team this year even if just based on what our D is missing right now.
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+4 #115 meadowdog 2011-07-27 15:53
Quoting JABSmilez
All I'm saying is we CAN make the playoffs. It's a rational statement and has historical examples to back it up. It definitely involves a few things going right, but just as easy as getting a top 6 pick again would involve a few things going wrong imo.

The beauty of the salary cap and floor is that the gap between the good and bad teams has been drastically reduced. I don't think the Sens will make the playoffs next year but, then again, I picked Colorado dead last in the west two years ago and they proved me wrong. I don't have any problem with the suggestion that we could make the playoffs but I doubt the sanity of those who state categorically that we will make the playoffs.
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0 #116 MF57 2011-07-27 15:54
@tookie

You can bet Texas that Cowen will play ahead of Carks.
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+3 #117 Johne 2011-07-27 15:58
Sidenote:

Kinda funny how some people say opinionated pieces would drive conversation; notice how today's comments have had very little to do with the content of the article at all aside from grading it.
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0 #118 NotMatt101 2011-07-27 16:00
Opinionated pieces SHOULD drive conversation... unfortunately this is the internet and people cant deal with others opinions without massive butthurt LOL
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+4 #119 Hax 2011-07-27 16:01
How many times does Murray have to say that Cowen and Rundblad will both be on the team this year?

He can actually carry 8 D if he wants to. Carkner can play on the 4th line if there are injuries, Lee did too last year, Kuba could still be buried in the minors or dealt if they feel they really only want to carry 7.

But to answer the Tookster: Yes, I do think they plan to have Cowen on the team this year. Maybe partly in the press box and partly bouncing down to Bingo for a few games etc, but yes.
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+2 #120 Kogs 2011-07-27 16:01
Quoting MF57:
@tookie

You can bet Texas that Cowen will play ahead of Carks.


Carkner will be the 7th Dman and be a healthy scratch for a number of games, you need Cowen playing every night. There is nothing wrong with being the first call-up when an injury happens or when we can finally get rid of Kuba. I hope both Cowen and Rundblad get the whole season in so our team develops together on D, which will make us that much better come next year.

@JABS, yea, I agree more things will have to go right than wrong - I hope we make the playoffs
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+3 #121 Johne 2011-07-27 16:07
Another topic worth bringing up is the play of Phillips. While he certainly can't be blamed for last year's demise, he sure had his own Volchenkov-less pity party. Hopefully he can turn it around, and I think that will be every bit as much a key to our success/failure this season as the unknowns (Rundblad/Cowen /Filatov).
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+2 #122 miguel 2011-07-27 16:14
Quoting ScotM:
@TrueSensFan There's a difference between calling someone opinionated or a bad writer, it's entirely different to call them pretentious or embarrassing. The latter isn't critical and just comes off as a personal attack.

Scott
Kudos on writing the piece and getting selected to the final 5. However when you post an opinion, you have to expect feedback, either pro or negative, and do not take any of it personally, heck you made it to the top 5, and in the playoffs!!!
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0 #123 Round Leaf 2011-07-27 16:34
Quoting JABSmilez:


All I'm saying is we CAN make the playoffs. It's a rational statement and has historical examples to back it up. It definitely involves a few things going right, but just as easy as getting a top 6 pick again would involve a few things going wrong imo.


I've been preaching the exact same thing.

Last season it seemed as though everything that could possibly go wrong for us did. And guess what? 4 other teams finished below us.

I see the playoffs as a long shot next year (around 20-25% chance) but for us to be a lottery team next year would mean that we would have to have a season that is as bad or worse than last season. The improvements we've made to our goaltending tandem alone tell me that that won't happen.

The other areas like offense and coaching are still question marks, but I think we'll be picking in the 8 - 12 range next draft.
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-1 #124 brad11sens 2011-07-27 16:48
This is better then mondays but worse then yesterdays. But honestly even yesterdays i wouldn't read regularily if he started posting often
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0 #125 fireball8992 2011-07-27 17:20
Quoting Tookie19:


Gonchar
Phillips
Karlsson
Kuba
Rundblad
Lee
Carkner
----------------
Cowen

The Sens wont carry 8 D's, if nothing changes he doesnt make the team, only Cowen or Rundblad can be sent to AHL and Rundblad has shown to be the more NHL rdy.

You understand this right?


Almost 100% sure that a few months ago when Dorion (or perhaps it was Murray) was interviewed, he said Cowen would be on the team next year and Rundblad would probably make it. Based off that, management considers Cowen closer to being NHL ready. I'll trust management more than I trust you.
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-4 #126 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-07-27 17:26
This site has fell off huge ...
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+1 #127 Sandy 2011-07-27 17:58
Quoting meadowdog:
Quoting madpajamma:
Hello fellow Fans

I'd like to steer everyone away from the recent banter and back to what we normally talk about, Hockey.

What are your thoughts on Nathan MacKinnon, the Mooseheads aquired him two weeks ago. I don't know if it's because he's from Cole Harbour, N.S. that he's getting so many comparisons to Crosby. Or it could be the fact that Crosby's agent is his advisor. But from the looks of it, this kid has skills. MacKinnon will be 2013 draft eligible, and a great C on any club. Should Ottawa continue the rebuild until then? lol


If we can draft MacKinnon in 2013 without moving up it gonna mean that the kids we have now aren't as good as we thought they were but then again we'd have Nathan MacKinnon so it's both a best case and a worst case scenerio.


Could MacKinnon be that final piece of the re-build that puts the Sens over the top?
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+2 #128 Sandy 2011-07-27 18:12
This article was okay. But I still like #2. This article did not interest me as much as the one yesterday.

What would have happened IF the Sens had picked at the 5 spot in the draft (were not unlucky to lose the lottery... god this team has no luck) -- with both Strome & Zibby available to them. Who would they have picked?

My opinion, for the Sens to make the playoffs a lot of IFs have to happen. If Spezza, Alfie & Michalek play close to 80 games each. Is that a reasonable expectation? Anderson continues his "great" play -- will have to be great. The young guys fill in spots capably. They will fight for the 8th spot. But I just don't want to hear some fans at the end of the year.. trash the team -- about a year into the re-build because they did not make the playoffs.

Murray had better do anything he can to get both Cowen & Rundblad into the lineup. This is a re-build... let the youth play.
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+1 #129 Hogan 2011-07-27 18:17
Tookie has a point about goal production, whether it's in the reg season or their playoff defeats, it's always been an issue. That and their shitty powerplay.

Yes there is an outside chance they make the playoffs but don't be so quick to hail Anderson as the savior, he's good but look how many times we've gone into a season thinking our goaltending situation is intact. It's a long season when you're in rebuild.

But optimism and fan support keeps Sens Army alive brother

One love
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0 #130 Johne 2011-07-27 18:32
I think we'll see the rebirth of a deadly powerplay this year and it'll be one of the reasons why we win games/make the playoffs.

A healthy Spezza and Karlsson/Rundbl ad and a fresh batch of offensive coaches smells like success to me. Just have to hope a player like Foligno doesn't shy away from the crease.
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+2 #131 Hax 2011-07-27 18:53
Nothing wrong with optimism as long as people are not *expecting* instant success. Sure the stars would need to allign a bit for us to make the playoffs and A LOT for us to win a round or two - but for a "fan" to see the possibilities is part of the role. Not every fan, some are more realistic or keep expectations low which I respect.

I personally expect some rough nights but also that after most games I'll be able to say we put in a good effort and that our young guys (in general) are improving. Playing over .500 or making the playoffs would just be a bonus IMO.

If most nights we're still "in it" during the second intermission I'll be happy.
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+3 #132 SensChirp 2011-07-27 19:37
Quoting Tank Race:
This site has fell off huge ...

Anything in particular you have issue with or just trying to stir things up? Trying something a little different with this contest and while the comments haven't been entirely what I hoped, I think this is the best you can hope for in late-July.

Doing my best here!
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0 #133 Johne 2011-07-27 19:41
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Tank Race:
This site has fell off huge ...

Anything in particular you have issue with or just trying to stir things up? Trying something a little different with this contest and while the comments haven't been entirely what I hoped, I think this is the best you can hope for in late-July.

Doing my best here!


I'm amazed at the content you've been consistently been putting out since the end of the season, the signings have helped, but still, great job. There's been very few days that you haven't put up a new article. I seriously doubt that that's the opinion of the majority here.

I do share concerns with this recent contest and the ability to generate worthwhile content on a consistent basis, but it can't hurt to try can it? Worst-case Ontario is the new author gets author privileges taken away and we're back to just you.
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+4 #134 HKYcountry 2011-07-27 19:46
Totally off topic....but I was listening to the Team1260 this afternoon (edmonton feed) and they were talking about the Oiler d-corps. A listener emailed in with what I thought wouldn't be a terrible swap. It was suggested that Ottawa send Kuba to EDM for Brule. EDM gets a Top4 dman in the final year of his deal, has a cup ring and can run their 2nd PP unit and that creates the room needed for both Cowen and Rundblad to play this season. Edmonton gives up Brule, who they were looking at buying out this summer, but couldn't because he is injured. Brule when healthy could provide a stop gap and rotate duties as the 2nd/3rd line center with Regin (or whoever). He will be an RFA at the end of the season and wouldn't be a terrible player to take a flyer on.
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+1 #135 SensChirp 2011-07-27 20:30
Quoting Johne:
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Tank Race:
This site has fell off huge ...

Anything in particular you have issue with or just trying to stir things up? Trying something a little different with this contest and while the comments haven't been entirely what I hoped, I think this is the best you can hope for in late-July.

Doing my best here!


I'm amazed at the content you've been consistently been putting out since the end of the season, the signings have helped, but still, great job. There's been very few days that you haven't put up a new article. I seriously doubt that that's the opinion of the majority here.

I do share concerns with this recent contest and the ability to generate worthwhile content on a consistent basis, but it can't hurt to try can it? Worst-case Ontario is the new author gets author privileges taken away and we're back to just you.

And what is important to note is the new contributor will be on a very much part time basis. Weekends and gaps during the season. I certainly don't envision a split with someone.

I actually like the idea of an assignment writer. Someone who can cover off a given topic as required.
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+1 #136 Andrews Theory 2011-07-27 20:36
i think the ideal season for ottawa this year resembles that of the oilers last season. a young entertaining team that gives the kids a long leash. ultimately being entertained without having a ton of points to show for it.

another high draft pick and a few more players shipped out will give us the peices we need to build a contender instead of a pretender like the predators..
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+1 #137 Hogan 2011-07-27 20:52
Quoting Hax:
Nothing wrong with optimism as long as people are not *expecting* instant success. Sure the stars would need to allign a bit for us to make the playoffs and A LOT for us to win a round or two - but for a "fan" to see the possibilities is part of the role. Not every fan, some are more realistic or keep expectations low which I respect.

I personally expect some rough nights but also that after most games I'll be able to say we put in a good effort and that our young guys (in general) are improving. Playing over .500 or making the playoffs would just be a bonus IMO.

If most nights we're still "in it" during the second intermission I'll be happy.


Absolutely!
As long as I see effort from the young players I will be pleased.

Beats the ulcer Kovalev gave me these last two years. And Picard, my god he made me furious.
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0 #138 jakester 2011-07-27 21:31
I think it would be nice if you(Chirp) put out a blog as well(each day) as these articles. Will give us something else to talk about. The articles just have us spinning in circles. Come on Murray make a trade - even a small one would be fun.
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0 #139 SensChirp 2011-07-27 21:34
Quoting jakester:
I think it would be nice if you(Chirp) put out a blog as well(each day) as these articles. Will give us something else to talk about. The articles just have us spinning in circles. Come on Murray make a trade - even a small one would be fun.

This contest was also supposed to be part of my vacation from the site. Keeping up with the comment section has made that tricky haha.
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+3 #140 SensChirp 2011-07-27 21:34
Quoting jakester:
I think it would be nice if you(Chirp) put out a blog as well(each day) as these articles. Will give us something else to talk about. The articles just have us spinning in circles. Come on Murray make a trade - even a small one would be fun.

Also, it's the end of July. Nothing going on.
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0 #141 Johne 2011-07-27 21:37
Chirp if you need comment moderators, I'm sure a few of us level headed site faithfuls wouldn't mind helping out. Everyone needs a vaca.
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0 #142 T K 2011-07-27 21:47
[quote name="Tookie19" Most of you dont offer rational thinking, thinking with your hearts, not your head.
I'm not a basher of yours and respect your opinion even if I don't fully share it. I'm expecting a decent (not stellar) year ahead based on:
1) Anderson. I attended a game when he played for Florida. Front row seats right behind the net. I saw the look in his eye from up close and despite playing for a horrid team, he gave them a win. I left that night wishing Ottawa had him as our goalie.
2) MacLean: At minimum, we'll see fewer bench minors. At best, a team trying to impress their coach.
3) Youthful energy and enthusiam will rub off on everyone. I've seen this happen time and again in lots of places.
4) Ottawa wins when they hit and they've now got more hitters than a demolition derby.
The real unknown is Sens' true ranking vs other teams... but Sens can't stink as bad as 2010...
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-1 #143 SlickRick 2011-07-27 22:44
@Hogan 137
I went to a game 3 games before Picard was traded and I made sure that all 8 people I was with booed Picard when he got the puck (I mean he was terrible)..he got traded 1 week later. I also agree that NOT watching Kovalev(and heatley) float around will make me enjoy watching this team more...win or lose.
I'm excited to see Greening skate and am hopeful that Hoffman surprises during training camp....
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+1 #144 SlickRick 2011-07-27 22:50
What 'the negatives' won't mention (I will now call that douchbag 'the negatives') is that other teams in the conference have setbacks/injuri es/bad years/inconsist ancies etc...ever notice that pre-season predictions never pan out? That's why they play the games. "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME"-herm Edwards...remem ber Colorado was predicted to finish last in the west 2 years ago....Anderson led them to the playoffs..."YOU PLAY TO WIN THW GAME"
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+2 #145 Mr. Anderson 2011-07-28 00:40
Well since everyone else is arguing over Runblad and Cowen I might as well get my two cents in. I'm definetly in the Johne camp on this one, Runblad certainly has a ton of skill and Murray did a great job scooping him up last year but were still talking a huge step up. From the large ice surface where he has time and room to move where here he won't have that same time or space and will need to likely adjust. Plus he's going to a offensive guy first while Cowen is going to be defensive first. How is Runblad going to succeed in most people eyes when he's getting no PP time cause Gonchar and Karlsson will be out their more then anyone else. And he won't produce much getting third pairing minutes. Cowen was extremely close last year and Runblad may need some time learning the north American ice and might do that better getting 25 minutes a night in the AHL then getting 10-15 a night in NHL and being used as a third pairing guy. Right now the Sens need a defensive D more end of story.
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0 #146 Hogan 2011-07-28 06:48
Quoting SlickRick:
@Hogan 137
I went to a game 3 games before Picard was traded and I made sure that all 8 people I was with booed Picard when he got the puck (I mean he was terrible)..he got traded 1 week later. I also agree that NOT watching Kovalev(and heatley) float around will make me enjoy watching this team more...win or lose.
I'm excited to see Greening skate and am hopeful that Hoffman surprises during training camp....


For sure! I've never been more excited about our prospects. That's funny about booing him at the game. I only got to freak my wife out by screaming his name in disgust from the living room hahaha
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+1 #147 Jonny Jon Jon 2011-07-28 07:04
This article just seemed very dull. Didn't 'catch the reader'.
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-1 #148 Andrews Theory 2011-07-28 07:51
i wouldnt be terribly dissapointed to see both cowen and runblad start as the 1-2 pairing in the ahl. it would arguably be the best tandem in the league.

with that said, runblad already dominated a league that is better than the ahl. i think the sens brass would biew this as a step backwards for him. accordingly, i'd give the edge to runblad over cowen with the big club...
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0 #149 ImNotJoJo 2011-07-28 07:52
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting ImNotJoJo:
Quoting SensChirp:
Doing my best to address it. Deleting the posts as quickly as possible and looking at ways we can ban a user. The guy has posted on here for a while though. Kinda hoping this is just a bizarre phase haha.

It should be the prize for the contest. "Whoever writes the best article gets to pick 1 person to be banned from the SensChrip website".


Better start your search for a new blog then :)

Don't worry Tookie, I've warmed up to your ways! It's all love.
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-1 #150 ImNotJoJo 2011-07-28 07:55
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Tank Race:
This site has fell off huge ...

Anything in particular you have issue with or just trying to stir things up? Trying something a little different with this contest and while the comments haven't been entirely what I hoped, I think this is the best you can hope for in late-July.

Doing my best here!

I think he was referring to the comment section, not your quality of work. You're work has continued to be impeccable.
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0 #151 Tookie 2011-07-28 08:22
Quoting Johne:
I think we'll see the rebirth of a deadly powerplay this year and it'll be one of the reasons why we win games/make the playoffs.

A healthy Spezza and Karlsson/Rundblad and a fresh batch of offensive coaches smells like success to me. Just have to hope a player like Foligno doesn't shy away from the crease.


That is your opinion and its mostly just optimism, while that is fine and dandy, dont be shocked when a new coaching staff and a goal starved team dont produce on the PP. But just incase you are shocked, I'll be here to say I told you so.
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0 #152 Tookie 2011-07-28 08:37
Quoting SlickRick:
"YOU PLAY TO WIN THW GAME"


Yes and what you dont mention is that other teams get better aswell, were not the only team that tries to improve.
And the way I see it, we havent improved all that much over the bottom 5 teams where we sat last year. I never saidwe would be last in our conference, thats for Florida and NYI but we wont be far ahead of them.

And I dont know about you but I did predict last year that we were gonna stink, with the roster we had and the unknowns at the time, it was a pretty easy call to make, so maybe your the one that needs more schooling. Also how did Herm Edwards end up, yeah thought so, LOL.
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+2 #153 RUSHRLZ 2011-07-28 08:47
Quoting ScotM:
@TrueSensFan There's a difference between calling someone opinionated or a bad writer, it's entirely different to call them pretentious or embarrassing. The latter isn't critical and just comes off as a personal attack.


I agree much of the feedback, on all three articles actually is overly harsh if not disrespectful.

My hat is off to anyone who made the effort to contribute something, and give us material to bicker about here in the dog days.
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0 #154 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-07-28 08:50
Im referring to the comment section ..I enjoy coming here to talk with and read other sens fans feelings and emotions but lately and off and on in the past its turned into a pissing contest just drops the value of the site ..no issues with you chirp your my sens site before anywhere else ..

Cheers bud
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+1 #155 RUSHRLZ 2011-07-28 08:59
Quoting Johne:
Chirp if you need comment moderators, I'm sure a few of us level headed site faithfuls wouldn't mind helping out. Everyone needs a vaca.


Please Johne, us hipsters like to call that VAY-KAY. Don't make me ban you.
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0 #156 Sandy 2011-07-28 12:34
Yeah Tookie the Sens did 'stink' as you say last year. But key injuries (especially Spezza's) hurt the team big time. Elliott & Glascal Leclaire contributed a lot to that as well. The D were afraid to make a move expecting the puck to go into the net.
The goaltending has been upgraded. The coaching has been upgraded... two areas that the Sens will be better at.
Now as for the D next year -- and the forwards... that will be the key as to where the Sens finish.
I pray for a healthy team next year. Get more wins than last season -- that will be an improvement.
Just think. As bad as the Sens were -- they finished with 6 less wins than the Leafs. That's not too many over an 82 game schedule.
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0 #157 gcjager 2011-07-28 21:17
I may be one of the few out there, bit I genuinely like tookie and I agree with him. While I may be a little more optimistic then him, and I hope we do make the playoffs this year because I want everyone to exceed expectations, if they don't I won't be upset because we are a team that's rebuilding.

The hopes seem to be extremely high. I don't have a problem with that either...
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