Tuesday, 07 June 2011 09:09

Alfredsson to Have Surgery- Game 6 in Houston

As first reported by Marc Brassard of Le Droit, Ottawa Senators captain Daniel Alfredsson will have surgery on his injured back at some point this week.

Initial recovery time was projected at 4-6 weeks.

At the end of the season there was some question about whether or not the surgery would be necessary but after a couple months trying to rehab the injury, Alfie has decided surgery is the best option.  Alfredsson has always been a player that recovers quickly from injuries but it's pretty clear that this was one that was lingering and has been for quite some time.

Seems to me like it's in his best interest to have the surgery now and get it over with. Here's hoping he can come back rested and ready to go next season.  Hard to say what this means for Alfie's career long term but it was pretty clear this was a surgery he was trying to avoid as long as possible.

Alfredsson continues to insist that retirement is not a consideration at this point in time.

  • The Sens continue their draft day preparations today with visits from Gabriel Landeskog and Jonathan Huberdeau. It seems like these two guys are at the top of the Sens list heading into draft day but they will likely have to move up to snag either one.  There is a chance Landeskog could fall but that almost seems like a dream scenario at this point.
  • The Binghamton Senators have a chance to clinch the Calder Cup tonight with a win in Houston.  More coming on this game later this afternoon.

 


 

(UPDATE1:20 PM) The Binghamton Senators have a chance to close out the Calder Cup Finals with a win tonight in Houston.  According to Bingo beat writer Joy Lindsay, Jared Cowen was on the ice for the morning skate and is being labeled a game time decision.  Obviously they don't want to jeopardize his health long term so it sounds like they will be extremely careful.

The game can once again be seen on SportsnetSens or listened to live on the Team 1200.

Bryan Murray met with the media this afternoon and indicated that he hopes to have a coach in place within the next week.  He also confirmed what was mentioned above- Daniel Alfredsson will have surgery on his injured back and the recovery will take 4-6 weeks.

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+1 #1 PraiseAlfie84 2011-06-07 08:15
Hopefully Alfie comes back as strong as he once was, but I have a feeling this season will most likely be his last either way....
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-6 #2 AJC 2011-06-07 08:24
Ridiculous that he waited this long. It was obviously not improving back in April when he gave his last interview. Extremely disappointed in his decision making.
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+2 #3 Dork 2011-06-07 08:25
The way he started last season, I firmly believe Alfie still has the skills to be a 70pt man. I've got faith in his skills, but not necessarily his health.

He's not Gary Roberts of Chris Chelios, but he's still highly regarded for his fitness. If he can somehow stay healthy, he could even play past 40
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0 #4 Dork 2011-06-07 08:27
*"or", not "of" in that last post. Also, predicting next year WON'T be his last.

PA84 - either way? Do you really think he'd retire if he got 35g/45a? I could see him retiring if he missed the bulk of the season to nagging injuries.
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+7 #5 The Dutch Treat 2011-06-07 08:31
Alfie needs to spend a summer hanging out with Teemu Selanne and the fountain of youth he's got in the backyard.
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+3 #6 sieveclark 2011-06-07 08:33
Chirp, what are your thoughts on prospect Mark Stone, he had almost identicle point production when compared to RNH this year at 106 pts, not bad for 178th overall(i think). Do you see him being an impact player at the nhl level in a few years? It seems he gets passed over quite a bit in prospect discussion.
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-4 #7 AJC 2011-06-07 08:34
Quoting The Dutch Treat:
Alfie needs to spend a summer hanging out with Teemu Selanne and the fountain of youth he's got in the backyard.

All we need is another lockout. Teemu took the year off to rest his knees. If Alfie had a year to heal up completely, he might come back for a few years. Now with his poor decision making (surgery timing), he'll have less than a month to work out before the start of training camp.
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+2 #8 SensChirp 2011-06-07 08:37
Quoting sieveclark:
Chirp, what are your thoughts on prospect Mark Stone, he had almost identicle point production when compared to RNH this year at 106 pts, not bad for 178th overall(i think). Do you see him being an impact player at the nhl level in a few years? It seems he gets passed over quite a bit in prospect discussion.

I think skating is the biggest issue with Stone, from what I have heard. Not sure if the raw skill is there like with an RNH but I think he has potential to be a player in the league.

This is just based on what I have read about him. Haven't actually had a chance to see him play.
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0 #9 PraiseAlfie84 2011-06-07 08:44
@Dork

He only has one year left on his contract after next season anyways. The only way he's gonna play is if he stays healthy but guys with nagging back problems usually aren't the same, ever, once they hit that point in their careers, even with the surgeries. I would love for him to keep playing obviously, even if it's only one more season after next and he finishes out his contract but he's no Lidstrom in terms of health and stamina. Don't be surprised to see him playing less minutes on line 2 or even 3 is all I'm saying, but I'm prying that he comes back and has a 60-80pts season...
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0 #10 PraiseAlfie84 2011-06-07 08:52
Is there any word when the new jersey's will be unveiled? Before the draft?
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+1 #11 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 09:12
Alfredsson continues to insist that retirement is not a consideration at this point in time.

This is why I love Alfie. I am sure he will give his all until there is nothing to give. I give him at least until the end of his contract.
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+3 #12 TrueSensFan 2011-06-07 09:18
@AJC

Enough with getting on Alfie for poor decision making etc. You just keep repeating yourself and you have no idea of the details.

It is possible the team doctors were suggesting he not get the surgery up to this point. It is also possible that the surgery will help fix the issue but also make it more susceptible to further injury and letting it heal naturally was the safest route.

I am no expert but let's not make assumptions here.

Unless of course, you can show me you are an expert.

Seriously dude, give it a rest
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0 #13 miguel 2011-06-07 09:47
to the negative comments on Alfie and surgery.
Back injuries are still to this day bit of a mystery. I am by no means an expert but I do have a herniated disk, and I do believe that Alfie is suffering from a Buldging or Herniated disk. The pain will vary from person to person, but the sciatica can be immobilizing. All experts will suggest to avoid surgury at all costs, if it can be controlled and managed by other means ie physio, but this takes time hence nothing since Feb but Physio for Alfie. After 8 months of my pain I made the decision on surgery, to have my surgeon suggest one last time to stop all activity, in order to try and decrease the inflamation. This finally worked. So this to say that, all the experts were trying to have the injury controlled through physio, but now, first week of June, is probably the last day, to have surgery, in order to have him back in time for camp in Sept. Alfie is not the first to have this surgery, and I see him back as good as before.
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-4 #14 AJC 2011-06-07 09:52
Quoting TrueSensFan:
@AJC

Enough with getting on Alfie for poor decision making etc. You just keep repeating yourself and you have no idea of the details.
(...)
Unless of course, you can show me you are an expert.

Seriously dude, give it a rest


Whether you like it or not, the timing of his surgery is extremely poor. They say 6 weeks recovery, but that is just to get back to normal life - not heavy workouts in preparation for training camp.

So we're talking about real workouts starting in August for him and training camp opens in early September. Do you really think he's going to have enough time to heal, let alone be in top form? Do you really think it gives him adequate time to heal up before jumping into heavy workouts?

Whether it was his decision to put off the surgery or not, this is bad news for this organization and for his career.
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-1 #15 AJC 2011-06-07 10:03
Quoting miguel:
to the negative comments on Alfie and surgery.
Back injuries are still to this day bit of a mystery. I am by no means an expert but I do have a herniated disk, and I do believe that Alfie is suffering from a Buldging or Herniated disk. The pain will vary from person to person, but the sciatica can be immobilizing. All experts will suggest to avoid surgury at all costs, if it can be controlled and managed by other means ie physio(...) So this to say that, all the experts were trying to have the injury controlled through physio, but now, first week of June, is probably the last day, to have surgery, in order to have him back in time for camp in Sept. Alfie is not the first to have this surgery, and I see him back as good as before.


Chris Pronger had a herniated disk in his back and chose the surgery route the DAY after his season ended.
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+3 #16 TrueSensFan 2011-06-07 10:11
@AJC

Oh I hear you loud and clear. I hate the timing (I hate the fact it even has to happen) Requiring surgery is never a good thing.

My point was the fact you were putting it on/blaming Alfie was uncalled for and reasons why were baseless.
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0 #17 miguel 2011-06-07 10:17
@AJC,
good point on Pronger, he has recovered completely and, knowing Alfie and his history on injury recoveries, I see him back as new, by season openning.
Do not ever count Alfie out... he still has a few very good years left in him...
and Go Baby Sens Go!!!!
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+3 #18 Cams 2011-06-07 10:19
Sooo glad to have the site back on my iPhone! I actually didnt even realize how often I checked the site until I couldn't access it!

Thanks for getting it worked out.
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0 #19 anonymous 2011-06-07 10:19
heard some neat news yesterday, was chatting with an agent for one of the sens players and it seems the sens want a forward in the draft but they are also very big on Doug Hamilton. apparently the sens want to trade up from their nashville pick to grab Hamilton.
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0 #20 SensChirp 2011-06-07 10:23
Quoting Cams:
Sooo glad to have the site back on my iPhone! I actually didnt even realize how often I checked the site until I couldn't access it!

Thanks for getting it worked out.

Glad everything is working now. I guess Safari made some changes to their browser that have been causing issues on a few sites.
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0 #21 AJC 2011-06-07 10:25
Quoting TrueSensFan:
@AJC

Oh I hear you loud and clear. I hate the timing (I hate the fact it even has to happen) Requiring surgery is never a good thing.

My point was the fact you were putting it on/blaming Alfie was uncalled for and reasons why were baseless.


Frustration on my part I suppose. I was quite disappointed in the news this morning.
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+1 #22 SensChirp 2011-06-07 10:33
Saw this over on HF and thought I would pass it along. It's the Avs pre-draft special with behind the scenes talk about a number of the top prospects...

http://video.avalanche.nhl.com/videocenter/console
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0 #23 TrueSensFan 2011-06-07 10:34
Now that is something we can agree on. Hope he makes a full recovery
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+1 #24 Floridasensfan 2011-06-07 10:45
I think it is good he is getting the surgery, who cares if he is not back for training camp, as long as he comes back better and good to go what is the problem.
September October
I sure hope they don't rush his recovery.
I would rather see the two seasons he has left at 100% before retiring.
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0 #25 A Train 2011-06-07 10:46
As much as I am concerned about Alfie, I can't help but be more concerned about Jared Cowen. Is there an update on his injury?
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+1 #26 SensChirp 2011-06-07 10:52
Quoting A Train:
As much as I am concerned about Alfie, I can't help but be more concerned about Jared Cowen. Is there an update on his injury?

Coach said it was not a concussion as initially reported. There is a chance he plays tonight. Should know more shortly.
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+1 #27 CaMo 2011-06-07 10:53
I heard Jared Cowen Doesnt have a concussion and he could be back and playing in this series vs. the Aeroes.
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0 #28 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 10:56
Thats great news about Cowen, I hope to see him in tonights game.
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0 #29 RUSHRLZ 2011-06-07 11:00
Quoting SensChirp:
Saw this over on HF and thought I would pass it along. It's the Avs pre-draft special with behind the scenes talk about a number of the top prospects...

http://video.avalanche.nhl.com/videocenter/console


Too bad the videos don't seem to be working right now, I'd really like to check that out.
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-7 #30 Sensnation 2011-06-07 11:02
I'm ready for Alfie to retire. It's embarrassing to watch the product he delivered earlier this year and he's been on the decline for a few years now. Thanks for all you've done, but it's time to move forward.
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0 #31 RUSHRLZ 2011-06-07 11:02
Quoting anonymous:
heard some neat news yesterday, was chatting with an agent for one of the sens players and it seems the sens want a forward in the draft but they are also very big on Doug Hamilton. apparently the sens want to trade up from their nashville pick to grab Hamilton.


I doubt they'd have to trade up to get him...

The odds of us taking a D first are about 100-1 against.

And when Dorian say there is a 99% chance that one of these five players in town this week will be our first round pick...

Strome, Couturier, Zibanejad, Landeskog and Huberdeau

Then it becomes obvious that this alleged player agent insider has no clue.
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+3 #32 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 11:07
Quoting JABSmilez:
I'm ready for Alfie to retire. It's embarrassing to watch the product he delivered earlier this year and he's been on the decline for a few years now. Thanks for all you've done, but it's time to move forward.


I guess you were not paying close attention as Alfredsson lead the team in scoring until he went out with the injury he was playing on. He may not have been up to his par but the whole team was off their game this season and he was injured.
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-8 #33 Sensnation 2011-06-07 11:13
Quoting Captain Alfie:

I guess you were not paying close attention as Alfredsson lead the team in scoring until he went out with the injury he was playing on. He may not have been up to his par but the whole team was off their game this season and he was injured.


I paid attention while he was gassed after 10s on every shift, couldn't' keep up with the play or be too physical and his shot was a shadow of what it used to be. Just because he got 1st line minutes and opportunities or lead the team in pts, doesn't mean the results were acceptable. Alfie sticking around to give us another twilight year or two is nostalgia, it has nothing to do with what's actually best for this team going forward. Let the team move on from his shadow, let Spezza lead this new generation.

Alfie is an over-performer who can no longer over-perform ... it sucks, but don't blame me for noticing it.
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0 #34 PraiseAlfie84 2011-06-07 11:14
Quoting anonymous:
heard some neat news yesterday, was chatting with an agent for one of the sens players and it seems the sens want a forward in the draft but they are also very big on Doug Hamilton. apparently the sens want to trade up from their nashville pick to grab Hamilton.


Wow, that would be freakin' HORRIBLE! WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE DEFENSE! There's already a log jam on the back end FFS, that would be such a waste of a pick....
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-6 #35 Tookie 2011-06-07 11:15
Quoting AJC:

Whether you like it or not, the timing of his surgery is extremely poor. They say 6 weeks recovery, but that is just to get back to normal life - not heavy workouts in preparation for training camp.


AJC is right, this is not good news at all, and NO he wont be as he was before, to think that is being ignorant of tha facts. 15-20 games into the season, you will start to see wear and tear. Im almost to the point of guaratee'ing that this is Alfie's last go.
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+7 #36 SensChirp 2011-06-07 11:17
Jared Cowen is skating in Houston this afternoon! No word on whether or not he will play.
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+1 #37 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 11:17
I don't buy it for a second Jabs. If he was as bad as you think the rest of the team should retire too for being outscored by an injured elder.

I wouldn't mind the C being passed over to Spezza, he has earned it and will be our next leader but as long as the surgery goes well Alfie will complete his contract giving his all and probably still outscore at least half the team.
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-7 #38 Tookie 2011-06-07 11:20
Quoting Captain Alfie:

I guess you were not paying close attention as Alfredsson lead the team in scoring until he went out with the injury he was playing on. He may not have been up to his par but the whole team was off their game this season and he was injured.


Umm yeah, just because he led a terrible team in scoring at some point, doesnt mean he was doing well, LOL. I agree with JABS (what!) that Alfie needs to retire and or get traded at the deadline to get him a Cup! He deserves one.
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+1 #39 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 11:21
Quoting SensChirp:
Jared Cowen is skating in Houston this afternoon! No word on whether or not he will play.


Sweet, I hope he scores his first professional goal!

GO BSENS GO!
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+1 #40 A Train 2011-06-07 11:23
Chirp, thanks for the update. That is great news. If he doesn't play sounds like it will out of an abundance of caution from Sens management. Nice reporting.
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+9 #41 McLovin 2011-06-07 11:27
Quoting SensChirp:
Jared Cowen is skating in Houston this afternoon! No word on whether or not he will play.



Jared 'Jesus" Cowen is a beast...I'm so happy we have him and not Kadri
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-7 #42 Sensnation 2011-06-07 11:30
Quoting Captain Alfie:

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He's on a heavy decline and can't handle the rigors or physical nature of the game anymore. It's really not a matter of opinion at this time, it's just how it is. He lost the step that made him a star, and the remaining shadow just has too many holes in his game.

As for saying the rest of the team should retire cause he outscored them, I really don't think you get that his expected contribution isn't just in the points column, and his shortcomings are noticed there as well. Not to mention his ice time and offensive opportunities dwarf what just about anyone else on the team gets, so again apples to oranges.

Alfie was a dedicated and hard working player, but it's not like he's a god who brought us the cup or something. Time is up ... tick tock!
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+2 #43 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 11:37
I agree he is on a decline, he is almost 40. What you perceive as a heavy decline is most likely due to playing injured. I think a physically healthy 40 year old Alfie can still compete in the NHL at a better than average pace. This surgery will make or break him and given Alfies past my bet is on Alfie being Selanne 2.0 at 40.
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-4 #44 Tookie 2011-06-07 11:45
Quoting Floridasensfan:
I think it is good he is getting the surgery, who cares if he is not back for training camp, as long as he comes back better and good to go what is the problem.
September October
I sure hope they don't rush his recovery.
I would rather see the two seasons he has left at 100% before retiring.


What dont you understand, he will never be 100% again, never, nada, jamais!
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+5 #45 GreeningTheMonster 2011-06-07 11:53
@ ppl saying alfie should retire

shut the fuck up already. he has a contract, and hes gonna finish it. whether u like it or not.

@ ppl saying alfie should get traded

when bryan murray said he is untouchable, is it that hard to understand. also when u say trade him so he can win a cup, most ppl who say that just wanna get rid of him so that they can get good assets back, not for the love of our captain.

hes a sen for life and will retire whenever the hell he wants to, not when fans are being asses and want him to retire.

/rant
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-5 #46 Sensnation 2011-06-07 11:58
Quoting Captain Alfie:
I agree he is on a decline, he is almost 40. What you perceive as a heavy decline is most likely due to playing injured. I think a physically healthy 40 year old Alfie can still compete in the NHL at a better than average pace. This surgery will make or break him and given Alfies past my bet is on Alfie being Selanne 2.0 at 40.


I think you missed that his injury is something he'll deal with the rest of his life. The surgery is just to get him to the point where he can hopefully make it back to playing.

@GreeningTheMonster - Alfie's body is telling him to retire. We just agree that maybe his body is right and he should listen to it!
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-1 #47 EMG 2011-06-07 12:01
Craig Button came up with a new top 10 list, but this time he added a few comparisons :

Landeskog = Franzen, Morrow
Murphy = Sergei Zubov
Zibanejad = Bobby Holik
Strome = Denis Savard
Couturier = Jordan Staal
Brodin = Alex Edler
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+2 #48 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 12:07
Quoting JABSmilez:
Quoting Captain Alfie:
I agree he is on a decline, he is almost 40. What you perceive as a heavy decline is most likely due to playing injured. I think a physically healthy 40 year old Alfie can still compete in the NHL at a better than average pace. This surgery will make or break him and given Alfies past my bet is on Alfie being Selanne 2.0 at 40.


I think you missed that his injury is something he'll deal with the rest of his life. The surgery is just to get him to the point where he can hopefully make it back to playing.

@GreeningTheMonster - Alfie's body is telling him to retire. We just agree that maybe his body is right and he should listen to it!


To quote Andy Sutton: Are you an expert?

Only time will tell how this surgery will affect him.
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+3 #49 SensChirp 2011-06-07 12:22
Couple updates added on to the bottom of the blog. Cowen is a game time decision and Murray hopes to have a coach in place within the next week.
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0 #50 PraiseAlfie84 2011-06-07 12:23
About time, let's get this coaching situation straightened out!
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+9 #51 miguel 2011-06-07 12:24
who dares to doubt Alfie... everytime he has been down and seemingly not at his best, he always comes back and shines when we needed him. How many were saying he should have been traded, or give up his C, only to come back and lead our team to 3 games away from winning it all!
Yes he tried to play injured, yes he failed at trying to play through it, but he is in amazing health, and has incredible work ethic.
I believe in Alfie, and can guarentee you that he comes back again, and helps to lead this team,
how dare you so called fans doubt him, after all he has done as a Senator
Majority of us still believe in you Alfie, get better, and lead us once again!!!
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+6 #52 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 12:25
Quoting miguel:
who dares to doubt Alfie... everytime he has been down and seemingly not at his best, he always comes back and shines when we needed him. How many were saying he should have been traded, or give up his C, only to come back and lead our team to 3 games away from winning it all!
Yes he tried to play injured, yes he failed at trying to play through it, but he is in amazing health, and has incredible work ethic.
I believe in Alfie, and can guarentee you that he comes back again, and helps to lead this team,
how dare you so called fans doubt him, after all he has done as a Senator
Majority of us still believe in you Alfie, get better, and lead us once again!!!


Amen. In Alfie we trust.
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+3 #53 Frootmig 2011-06-07 12:30
Quoting SensChirp:
Couple updates added on to the bottom of the blog. Cowen is a game time decision and Murray hopes to have a coach in place within the next week.

Out of courtesy to KK, I expect that the Sens will wait until the completion of the Calder Cup to make an annoucement. I don't expect they will be hiring KK, but it would be disrespectful to take his mind off the series and have reporters asking him the "are you disappointed you didn't get the NHL job?" questions while he is still trying to win a cup.
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+3 #54 CaMo 2011-06-07 12:45
Quoting EMG:
Craig Button came up with a new top 10 list, but this time he added a few comparisons :

Landeskog = Franzen, Morrow
Murphy = Sergei Zubov
Zibanejad = Bobby Holik
Strome = Denis Savard
Couturier = Jordan Staal
Brodin = Alex Edler


Craig Button is the biggest dummy on TSN. Did anyone else see his mock draft? He had the sens passing up on couturier.... ya right.
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-5 #55 Sensnation 2011-06-07 12:45
Quoting Captain Alfie:

To quote Andy Sutton: Are you an expert?

Only time will tell how this surgery will affect him.


I can read and hear those who report on what he's said and what the team has said regarding his injury, as well as what doctors say about these type of physical problems. Does that really take an expert? A lot of the people praising Alfie's health and work ethic, were also the same ones that were sure he'd come back this past season. The guy is ailing and has been playing through more then most of us could imagine for several years now. Don't hate on me for realizing you guys want more then is possible from the guy.
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0 #56 SENSible Musings 2011-06-07 12:56
Quoting miguel:

how dare you so called fans doubt him, after all he has done as a Senator
Majority of us still believe in you Alfie, get better, and lead us once again!!!


Alfredsson is a human being Humans enter periods of decline in whichever profession they enter, athletes even moreso since they have the rigors of consistent physical play, travel, injuries and age catching up to them.

Doubt is not something to be squelched in any path of life, but rather welcomed. It shows an inquisitive, seeking, questioning mind that wants answers and relies of fact-based analysis rather than hope and fandom.

It's fine to appreciate Alfredsson for what he has done, we all do. We must learn to temper expectations for him, however. He hasn't performed at an elite pace since around 2006 and 2007 and it's now five years later...all the greats drop off eventually. The key thing is, will Murray be able to draft and develop wingers to succeed him.
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+1 #57 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 12:56
Quoting JABSmilez:
Quoting Captain Alfie:

To quote Andy Sutton: Are you an expert?

Only time will tell how this surgery will affect him.


I can read and hear those who report on what he's said and what the team has said regarding his injury, as well as what doctors say about these type of physical problems. Does that really take an expert? A lot of the people praising Alfie's health and work ethic, were also the same ones that were sure he'd come back this past season. The guy is ailing and has been playing through more then most of us could imagine for several years now. Don't hate on me for realizing you guys want more then is possible from the guy.


So, You're an expert?
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+3 #58 CaMo 2011-06-07 12:57
Quoting JABSmilez:

I can read and hear those who report on what he's said and what the team has said regarding his injury, as well as what doctors say about these type of physical problems. Does that really take an expert? A lot of the people praising Alfie's health and work ethic, were also the same ones that were sure he'd come back this past season. The guy is ailing and has been playing through more then most of us could imagine for several years now. Don't hate on me for realizing you guys want more then is possible from the guy.


People hate on you because of the way you point out your opinion, I think. You're one of those people who states their opinion like it's fact. Even though I agree with you that Alfie might not be at his best when he comes back, I still believe he can fit a top 6 role. Only time will tell. I hope you are proven wrong.
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-2 #59 Sensnation 2011-06-07 13:02
Quoting Captain Alfie:
Quoting JABSmilez:
Quoting Captain Alfie:

To quote Andy Sutton: Are you an expert?

Only time will tell how this surgery will affect him.


I can read and hear those who report on what he's said and what the team has said regarding his injury, as well as what doctors say about these type of physical problems. Does that really take an expert? A lot of the people praising Alfie's health and work ethic, were also the same ones that were sure he'd come back this past season. The guy is ailing and has been playing through more then most of us could imagine for several years now. Don't hate on me for realizing you guys want more then is possible from the guy.


So, You're an expert?


Are you like 2?
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+2 #60 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 13:03
Quoting JABSmilez:
Quoting Captain Alfie:
Quoting JABSmilez:
Quoting Captain Alfie:

To quote Andy Sutton: Are you an expert?

Only time will tell how this surgery will affect him.


I can read and hear those who report on what he's said and what the team has said regarding his injury, as well as what doctors say about these type of physical problems. Does that really take an expert? A lot of the people praising Alfie's health and work ethic, were also the same ones that were sure he'd come back this past season. The guy is ailing and has been playing through more then most of us could imagine for several years now. Don't hate on me for realizing you guys want more then is possible from the guy.


So, You're an expert?


Are you like 2?


You are not an expert.
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-2 #61 Sensnation 2011-06-07 13:05
Quoting Captain Alfie:


You are not an expert.


Show me 1 spot where I say I am
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-2 #62 Sensnation 2011-06-07 13:07
Quoting CaMo:

People hate on you because of the way you point out your opinion, I think. You're one of those people who states their opinion like it's fact. Even though I agree with you that Alfie might not be at his best when he comes back, I still believe he can fit a top 6 role. Only time will tell. I hope you are proven wrong.


I stated facts and my opinion, but too many here are against facts if it goes against their opinion.
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+3 #63 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 13:09
Quoting JABSmilez:
Quoting Captain Alfie:


You are not an expert.


Show me 1 spot where I say I am


Cite a document that says Alfie absolutley will not recover and or this surgery will affect him and his game with most certainty.
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+2 #64 x N!C x 2011-06-07 13:16
Quoting miguel:
who dares to doubt Alfie... everytime he has been down and seemingly not at his best, he always comes back and shines when we needed him. How many were saying he should have been traded, or give up his C, only to come back and lead our team to 3 games away from winning it all!
Yes he tried to play injured, yes he failed at trying to play through it, but he is in amazing health, and has incredible work ethic.
I believe in Alfie, and can guarentee you that he comes back again, and helps to lead this team,
how dare you so called fans doubt him, after all he has done as a Senator
Majority of us still believe in you Alfie, get better, and lead us once again!!!



Well said! Given he heals well in the next 6 weeks and can get back on his horse in training camp this fall he will be the catalyst next season! Nuff said.
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+1 #65 Sandy 2011-06-07 13:17
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Quoting anonymous:
heard some neat news yesterday, was chatting with an agent for one of the sens players and it seems the sens want a forward in the draft but they are also very big on Doug Hamilton. apparently the sens want to trade up from their nashville pick to grab Hamilton.


Wow, that would be freakin' HORRIBLE! WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE DEFENSE! There's already a log jam on the back end FFS, that would be such a waste of a pick....


UNLESS they are packaging defensive prospects for a trade or the move up?
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+5 #66 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-06-07 13:18
I am seriously doubting why I'm even jumping in on this Alfie discussion, but here goes.

Suggesting that a healthy Daniel Alfredsson wouldn't be a benefit for ANY team, even at 38 or 39, is insanity.

Who on the team would you put at the 2nd line RW spot if not Alfie? They don't have a better option.

Is he going to be a 70 point player? Not likely. Will he hit 20 goals and 50 points? I think that's a reasonable expectation. Will he continue to be the most beloved player in the history of this team? Yes.

You don't trade Alfie, because there is NO benefit to trading him. If winning a championship meant more to him than Ottawa means to him, then he would have asked to be moved.

Anyone who wants Alfie to move is clearly of the opinion that the Senators should tank next year to get another high draft pick. Those people are morons, and that's not my opinion, that's a FACT.
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+2 #67 Sandy 2011-06-07 13:19
Can you imagine having a painful back injury and trying to play NHL hockey?

Most of us would be flat on our back.
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0 #68 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 13:20
@TBT

Amen, In Alfie we trust.
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-8 #69 Sensnation 2011-06-07 13:21
Quoting Captain Alfie:


Cite a document that says Alfie absolutley will not recover and or this surgery will affect him and his game with most certainty.


I'm at work and don't have time to go digging for every article you're too lazy to read, but here's one http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=34163

Some key quotes to take out of this article are:
"Alfredsson's chronic back injury could sideline him for the rest of his career"
"The injury is never expected to heal..."
"...tough spot being sidelined like this with news that you probably won't ever feel better."

That's 1 example, there are more out there that I have read over time. So honestly guys, get a clue and stop blaming me for your shortcomings when it comes to being informed.
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+5 #70 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 13:22
LOL did you just cite an internet forum? Now I know you trollin.

You or anybody on the internet is not an expert.
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-5 #71 Sensnation 2011-06-07 13:24
Quoting THEBLACKTERROR:

Suggesting that a healthy Daniel Alfredsson wouldn't be a benefit for ANY team, even at 38 or 39, is insanity.


Let's make this simple. I never said if healthy he's not worthwhile, I'm saying he'll never be healthy enough again. His decline has been over several seasons, not just this past one. As for trading him, I'll let Tookie defend that one as it was not my opinion.
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-4 #72 Sensnation 2011-06-07 13:27
@Captain Alfie - I must have missed your pre-approved list of viable sources. The facts stated have been repeated many places over a long time, but of course you'll disagree with anything that doesn't match your opinion. You asked for an example, I gave you one, use your google search and I'm sure you'll find more.
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+5 #73 PraiseAlfie84 2011-06-07 13:28
Jabs, I tend to agree with you on most things, but are you seriously trying to back up your points with a HB Blogger post? Talk about losing credibility!

As I mentioned WAY at the start of this thread, next season or the one after we will be hanging them up, guys who have chronic back pain and need surgery are never the same as they once were. So I agree with you there. Alfie is my favourite player on the team, and as much as I'd like to remain optimistic about his recovery, I'm weary of it. However, even if he plays 10-15 minutes a night, just his presence on the bench should be enough to keep these other guys going!
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+2 #74 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 13:29
TROLLSMilez
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+3 #75 Patrick 2.0 2011-06-07 13:32
Alfredsson still has an important role with the Sens, as long as he's not in a wheelchair next year, and nobody knows what kind of condition he will be in...NOBODY, not him, not the doctors and especially NOT a bunch of hockey nuts on the internet. Let the experts (coaches, trainers, GM, doctors do what they do best and lets all hope his health issues allow him to play well next year).

Every team NEEDS a mix of young guys, old guys, tough guys, talented guys...Daniel is probably one of the most respected players on the team (no, I'm not in the dressing room, but I'm sure with his kind of accomplishments he can easily take command of the room). Spezza is in his prime, and will take hold of the torch soon enough.

If healthy, he will outplay 85% of the team out there and be an invaluable amount of experience and insight in the locker room.

If his health can't hold up, I'm sure he will retire.
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-2 #76 Sensnation 2011-06-07 13:34
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Jabs, I tend to agree with you on most things, but are you seriously trying to back up your points with a HB Blogger post? Talk about losing credibility!

As I mentioned WAY at the start of this thread, next season or the one after we will be hanging them up, guys who have chronic back pain and need surgery are never the same as they once were. So I agree with you there. Alfie is my favourite player on the team, and as much as I'd like to remain optimistic about his recovery, I'm weary of it. However, even if he plays 10-15 minutes a night, just his presence on the bench should be enough to keep these other guys going!


As I said, it's 1 example of it being mentioned.
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-2 #77 Sensnation 2011-06-07 13:37
Quoting Captain Alfie:
TROLLSMilez


Really? This is why I barely bother with long discussions on these topics anymore, in the end I often find out I was debating with a kid.
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+2 #78 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 13:37
Quoting JABSmilez:
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Jabs, I tend to agree with you on most things, but are you seriously trying to back up your points with a HB Blogger post? Talk about losing credibility!

As I mentioned WAY at the start of this thread, next season or the one after we will be hanging them up, guys who have chronic back pain and need surgery are never the same as they once were. So I agree with you there. Alfie is my favourite player on the team, and as much as I'd like to remain optimistic about his recovery, I'm weary of it. However, even if he plays 10-15 minutes a night, just his presence on the bench should be enough to keep these other guys going!


As I said, it's 1 example of it being mentioned.


And does not meet the definition of a citation of fact that Alfie will most likely not recover or that this surgery will drastically affect his game.
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0 #79 Sandy 2011-06-07 13:44
Do we know if the surgery is being done in Ottawa?

Can Dr. Chow even perform surgery anymore since the severe injuries he sustained in his accident last summer?

I just wish he would have had it sooner. I thought I read it was more a muscle injury than anything.. but if it is a herniated disk -- that should be able to heal properly.

The timing could be something to do with trying to avoid surgery as a last moment decision and also the birth of his 4th child a few weeks ago.
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0 #80 Sandy 2011-06-07 13:54
This was a quote from Bryan Murray in an article from the Ottawa Sun:

"He's done a lot of rehab," GM Bryan Murray said at Sensplex Tuesday. "He felt to continue his career at the level he wants to, that it's the right thing to do. It's to relieve a little pressure on the nerve that has taken away some of the strength in his leg and affected his skating and overall game."

So if the pressure is relieved on the nerve than that should fix the problem should it not?
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-2 #81 Sensnation 2011-06-07 13:55
@Captain Alfie - You do understand that it's the injury and not the surgery that will affect him right? The surgery is to reduce the impact of the injury. It's not going to bring back the old Alfie. Back problems are not a joke and Alfie's got some serious problems.

@Camo - I re-read everything I've posted in this forum and I can't find 1 time I state facts that are wrong or that my opinion is fact just because it's my opinion. I think you guys are mis-reading what I wrote.
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+1 #82 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 13:59
My point is that he is not on a heavy decline as you say but a moderate decline that is expected in old age in the NHL. If he can play like he did injured he will only be better after surgery.
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0 #83 my2sens 2011-06-07 14:09
Bingo game tonight question. Sportnet Sens for you Rogers subscribers... channel 500? And is there a charge?

Thanks! Go B-SENS go!
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-3 #84 Sensnation 2011-06-07 14:14
Maybe the difference is in our knowledge of medical terms, which I do have a background in. Chronic refers to a persistent and lasting medical condition. We've all heard this referred to as a chronic condition. For him to have the surgery and recover like it was nothing they would be calling it acute pain. Neither of these words describe the severity however, just the nature.

But when even the old coach says it's possible this injury could be career ending, I would think there's something to what I've been outlining.
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-1 #85 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 14:20
Clouston is not an expert.
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-2 #86 Sensnation 2011-06-07 14:31
Quoting Captain Alfie:
Clouston is not an expert.


He would've discussed the injury firsthand with experts. At this point I'll stop, I think you're now just being a douche for the hell of it.
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+1 #87 Sens Saint .... the former #1 fan of Spezzafan19! 2011-06-07 14:49
In my opinion, the surgery's a good thing for our Captain. Once the pinched nerve is relieved, it'll put a step back into Alfie's stride. He was playing last season with partial numbness in his right leg.


On another note, does anybody know what channel SportsNet Sens is on in Toronto? I'd like to catch the game tonight ....

GO B-SENS!
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+3 #88 Johne 2011-06-07 14:50
lol @ the alfy bashers and wanting to trade him so he can win a cup. real sens fans here. where would this franchise be without alfredsson? alfy will forever be a senator thats why he will have his number in the rafters.
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+3 #89 miguel 2011-06-07 14:55
[quote name="JABSmilez "]@Captain Alfie - You do understand that it's the injury and not the surgery.... Back problems are not a joke and Alfie's got some serious problems.
@JABSilez
again you try to come off as an expert... So your an expert?
I can speak from experience on back problems, I had a bulging disks that became herniated. I was almost scheduled for surgery, after 8 months of physio. Just before surgery, the leg pain (sciatica) deminished, and was only left with mild back pain, which is easily managed through excercise and physio. Many players in the NHL have had back surgery, and/or physio, and have come back to perform at their previous levels.
JABSmilez if anyone can rebound from anything, I am sure that Alfie has proven to us, that he deserves that trust , that he will be back as good as ever...and he will prove you wrong!
Shame on you for doubting him.
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-2 #90 AJC 2011-06-07 15:09
Quoting Captain Alfie:
Clouston is not an expert.

I'd trust Clouston's opinion over dweebs on the internet. Atleast he had access to the team doctors and saw Alfie on a daily basis to form that opinion.
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0 #91 Spatchula 2011-06-07 15:10
Sens Saint: I live in London and we don't get it here. I checked Sportsnet One last week and they had Blue Jays baseball in it's place.

I suspect that yet again we will be left w/out Sens hockey and will be forced to watch the Jays and Royals game tonight. :(
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0 #92 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-07 15:12
Quoting CaMo:
Quoting EMG:
Craig Button came up with a new top 10 list, but this time he added a few comparisons :

Landeskog = Franzen, Morrow
Murphy = Sergei Zubov
Zibanejad = Bobby Holik
Strome = Denis Savard
Couturier = Jordan Staal
Brodin = Alex Edler


Craig Button is the biggest dummy on TSN. Did anyone else see his mock draft? He had the sens passing up on couturier.... ya right.


Button is completely off his rocker. The guy posts the most BS predictions I've ever seen by a journalist.

In one of his mocks he had the Sens passing up forwards and drafting Adam Larsson.

Guys a joke.
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0 #93 Sensnation 2011-06-07 15:12
Quoting miguel:

@JABSilez
again you try to come off as an expert... So your an expert?


So stating a well known fact, that it's not the surgery itself that would cause him to retire or have lasting effects, it's the injury ... makes me come across as I'm trying to be an expert? So anyone that actually has some knowledge about things in life can't share that knowledge without being or trying to be an expert?

It doesn't make me an expert, but I do have expertise in that domain in this case.

His injury is chronic, this is not my opinion, it's the stated facts. The surgery may help relieve some of that pain, but likely not all.

My opinion is that he will not ever return to form and that it will likely cause him to retire.
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-4 #94 Tookie 2011-06-07 15:28
@ JABS

Dont waste your breath with these morons, clearly they dont understand facts, oh and Miguel congrats on recovering from your back surgery but you do nowhere near the work these NHL players do, to even compare your surgery to Alfie's is a mockery at best. You simply dont understand. Thats fine.

The Sens are moving on, we owe nothing to Alfie, he got his $$$ and did a very good job here in Ottawa but wasnt able to bring a Cup to Ottawa, which is the ultimate goal, and that is why I wont cry when Alfie is retired or traded.
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-3 #95 Tookie 2011-06-07 15:31
@ Sandy

No its not that simple, otherwise players would opt for surgery instead of postponing it like its death calling.

Back surgery for an old NHL player going through the rigour of an 82 game season is 80/20 career ending.
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+5 #96 miguel 2011-06-07 15:40
@JABS
My point is that with back injuries, it is very much an imperfect science, everyone is different, and different treatments work with different people, some swear by chiro's others say physio, and when all fails surgery is the last resort, but many NHLers including Pronger, Sakic, Lemieux etc have had the surgery and come back as good as before.
And the fact that we are talking about Alfie, who has proven almost superhuman when rehabilitating inujuries, leaves me no doubt that he will be back better then when he left.
And the only thing that I need to prove that I am absolutely correct, is the fact that TOOKIE is backing your argument...than ks Tookie for proving me right!
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+4 #97 GreeningTheMonster 2011-06-07 15:46
Quoting Tookie19:
@ JABS

Dont waste your breath with these morons, clearly they dont understand facts, oh and Miguel congrats on recovering from your back surgery but you do nowhere near the work these NHL players do, to even compare your surgery to Alfie's is a mockery at best. You simply dont understand. Thats fine.

The Sens are moving on, we owe nothing to Alfie, he got his $$$ and did a very good job here in Ottawa but wasnt able to bring a Cup to Ottawa, which is the ultimate goal, and that is why I wont cry when Alfie is retired or traded.

Maybe u won't cry, but true fans will.

I've been watching the sens since I was 4 (almost 16 now) and alfie was my fav player from the first time I started watching hockey.

I'm sorry but if ur atleast not saddened by the fact that he's retiring after his contract, then your not a true fan
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+1 #98 CaMo 2011-06-07 15:49
Where did you pull that stat out of?
80/20? really?

This thread should be used as a place for us to predict what will happen. Not argue/force our OPINIONS (for all the experts out there) on everyone until Chirp posts a new topic. People are getting themselves worked up because jabs is apparently a fortune teller and 'knows' alfies injury is career ending.

Lets talk about the sens, not whos career gives them the most credibility when it comes to alfie being back in full form or not or not. Everybodys body reacts differently to all types of operations, none of us KNOW what's going to happen. When will people learn how to post their opinion AS their opinion?......F uckin Experts. If big andy was still in town he'd shit a brick.
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+3 #99 miguel 2011-06-07 15:58
Quoting GreeningTheMonster:
[quote name="Tookie19"]@ JABS

) I'm sorry but if ur atleast not saddened by the fact that he's retiring after his contract, then your not a true fan

Well said, the day Alfie retires will be a very sad day in Sens history...and your right Tookie really isnt a Sens fan, he may be a fan just not a Sens fan
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0 #100 Sandy 2011-06-07 16:05
From what they are saying it appears to be a 'pinched nerve'. I've known a lot of people young & old that have had that.
Apparently Alfie was on Team 1220 about 30 min ago. I missed it unfortunately.
What they are doing is making 'room' for the nerve to avoid the pinching... once that is fixed you would think he would be okay to go.
I wonder if this is a long lingering issue that flared up... resulting from the cracked vertebrae he got from a cross check from Beauchemin a couple of years ago. There can be delays in that sort of thing... like moving the wrong way to 'trigger' something.
It happened to my husband.. twisting his back aggrevated an old injury many years after.
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-4 #101 Sensnation 2011-06-07 16:08
The idiots really do bring down the quality of discussion. I simply tried to state my opinion and add any additional information I've learned or come across. If you want to ignore it or pass it off as some online random trying to be a know it all, that is your choice, but is exactly why I can't take your rebuttals seriously. I'm not going to apologize for trying to help educate others. I like being given information I don't know and I guess mistakenly thought others would too.
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+3 #102 CaMo 2011-06-07 16:24
@JAB
You may think it's quite complicated, but it's pretty fucking clear. You think you're an expert.

I wasn't directing the entire last segment of my post at you. So don't get too into yourself "I have a medical background" Good for you buddy.

All I can see when I read your posts is your ignorance of the truth, even when you say everyone else is blinded by bias. YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE. You've been trolling the forum for 6 hours arguing about nothing. Alfie's coming back and he's gunna prove you so wrong
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+3 #103 MacK 2011-06-07 16:28
Quoting JABSmilez:


I'm at work and don't have time to go digging for every article you're too lazy to read, but here's one http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=34163

Some key quotes to take out of this article are:
"Alfredsson's chronic back injury could sideline him for the rest of his career"
"The injury is never expected to heal..."
"...tough spot being sidelined like this with news that you probably won't ever feel better."

That's 1 example, there are more out there that I have read over time. So honestly guys, get a clue and stop blaming me for your shortcomings when it comes to being informed.

What you seem to think are "facts" are simply a glass-half-empt y point of view. With words like "could sideline", "never expected" and "probably won't", it's all speculation.
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-3 #104 Sensnation 2011-06-07 16:36
Quoting CaMo:


All I can see when I read your posts is your ignorance of the truth, even when you say everyone else is blinded by bias. YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE. You've been trolling the forum for 6 hours arguing about nothing. Alfie's coming back and he's gunna prove you so wrong


So I'm a troll for having a discussion on a discussion board? Alfie's going to prove me so wrong by returning? Are you even reading what I wrote? The only situation that proves me "so wrong" is Alfie returning to his previous form after the surgery and not having any lasting effects from this injury. Man if that happens it's not only a great medical feat but a great day for the sens. You act like I don't want the old Alfie back, but I've never said that, I love what Alfie has done and given to this team, but I'm ok if he has nothing left to give.

Now I have to justify my ability access a website for a third of a day? Wtf ... it's called multitasking.
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+1 #105 anonymous 2011-06-07 16:39
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
Quoting anonymous:
heard some neat news yesterday, was chatting with an agent for one of the sens players and it seems the sens want a forward in the draft but they are also very big on Doug Hamilton. apparently the sens want to trade up from their nashville pick to grab Hamilton.


I doubt they'd have to trade up to get him...

The odds of us taking a D first are about 100-1 against.

And when Dorian say there is a 99% chance that one of these five players in town this week will be our first round pick...

Strome, Couturier, Zibanejad, Landeskog and Huberdeau

Then it becomes obvious that this alleged player agent insider has no clue.


I wasn't clear. Let me clarify. The agent said the Sens want a forward with their #6 pick, but will attempt to trade the Nashville pick to trade up to grab Hamilton who will likely be in the top 10.
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0 #106 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-07 16:41
Wow. 105 people cannot wait until the draft :)
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+1 #107 CaMo 2011-06-07 16:42
1.Get a real job.
2. That's what I meant when i said he would prove you wrong ,by coming back and being the same player he was last season or better.
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+4 #108 CaMo 2011-06-07 16:43
THATS MY OPINION BTW
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+1 #109 jakester 2011-06-07 16:48
Tookie, If he had his way, he would have Alfie retire and put Mike Brodeur as our backup. Anymore great ideas. Hell Alfie before his back stardted acting up through the first 20 games was again a point a game. Once his back started hurting around game 21 he dipped badly. The guy can still play. It might be a blessing if he only starts playing in Novemeber. by then, if spezza has 2 good line mates than our Captain can play on a good 2nd line. Where's the problem with that.
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0 #110 jakester 2011-06-07 16:49
By the way Tookie, thought your specialty was brain surgery and not back surgery????
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-1 #111 Sensnation 2011-06-07 16:54
Quoting CaMo:
1.Get a real job.
2. That's what I meant when i said he would prove you wrong ,by coming back and being the same player he was last season or better.


lol enjoy high school
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+6 #112 SensChirp 2011-06-07 16:55
Ooooook that will do fellas.
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+1 #113 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 17:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmVdVJ1sRJI
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+2 #114 Dork 2011-06-07 17:06
Quoting JABSmilez:
I'm ready for Alfie to retire. It's embarrassing to watch the product he delivered earlier this year and he's been on the decline for a few years now. Thanks for all you've done, but it's time to move forward.


Short-sighted
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0 #115 SensChirp 2011-06-07 17:09
A reader put this video together. Anyone else want to take a crack at putting the audio over a collection of Sens clips? Comes from a commercial that always makes me think of the Sens...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coyvEgqrC_k
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+1 #116 Lambchops 2011-06-07 17:28
Anyone have a stream? I don't get sportsnet SENS
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+1 #117 DrSens 2011-06-07 17:48
anyone got a stream for tonight^^ ?? I cancelled cable last week....
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+1 #118 LouSens 2011-06-07 17:49
I know it's been posted many times, but does someone have a link for the BSens game tonight? Sportsnet doesn't do live feeds of their channels do they?
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+1 #119 MoeDozer 2011-06-07 17:53
i usually have 2 or 3 streams but they are have been banned/removed. . sorry guys, i usually post one for every bingo game, but i will keep searching until i find something
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0 #120 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 18:00
http://www.justin.tv/bingofan

Is still kicking but I don't know if it will be streaming tonight's game.
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0 #121 MacK 2011-06-07 18:05
I'm guessing
http://www.justin.tv/bingofan
password
hfsens

Game doesn't start until 8:05PM though so sit tight!
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0 #122 MacK 2011-06-07 18:06
Quoting Captain Alfie:
http://www.justin.tv/bingofan

Is still kicking but I don't know if it will be streaming tonight's game.

what he said... ;)
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0 #123 TheTyrantWee 2011-06-07 18:28
Quoting AJC:
Ridiculous that he waited this long. It was obviously not improving back in April when he gave his last interview. Extremely disappointed in his decision making.


Way to show you know absolutely nothing about the circumstances surrounding the surgery. If Alfie was trying to avoid the surgery there was obviously good reason to do so. You do realize back surgery isn't 100% right? It's not like waving a magic wand. Sometimes surgeries like that result in a loss of maximum strength thresholds and even the end of a career if things don't go as planned. Alfie was probably putting off the surgery because it's risky and somewhat career threatening. Surgery is not always the best treatment option especially if the results of the surgery are likely to fix the pain but reduce your overall ability to achieve an elite level of fitness. Alfie was most likely between a rock and a hard place. Hope he returns to form but don't count on it.
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0 #124 TheTyrantWee 2011-06-07 18:30
Quote from TSN

"He's done a lot of rehab and he felt to continue his career at the level he wants to, it's the right thing to do," general manager Bryan Murray said. "The procedure is just to relieve a little pressure on a nerve that has taken away some of the strength in his leg (which has) effected his skating."

Still doesn't shed any light on why he wanted to wait for the surgery but you can't bet it comes with significant risks to his career. It's a last resort option to get him back to the level he wants to be if he's going to play in the NHL since rehab didn't work.
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0 #125 SensChirp 2011-06-07 19:00
Bryzgalov to Philadelphia for a 3rd Rd. Pick, Matt Clackson and Future Considerations.
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0 #126 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-07 19:03
wow.

Philly finally has a goalie.

scary team now. bryz is worth at least a 1st tho
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0 #127 Spatchula 2011-06-07 19:03
Thanks to whoever posted the link. Let's hope he streams the game tonight!

Also, are there any frustrated "out of market" Sens fans like me who wish they could watch the games live like those within the market?

I hate being dictated to by Rogers as to what I can and can't watch. It'd have been great that they could at least have one channel out of their network dedicated to this series for national broadcast for those who do enjoy AHL hockey or for that matter those who follow the Sens. I was under the impression that Sportnet One was to be like TSN2 and carry stuff that they don't on their other major channels.

So tonight instead of watching a game that could be the turning point for our organization I am being forced to watch baseball or "international friendly soccer" (like last week).

As you guessed it all Rogers channels here in Southern Ontario tonight have nothing but ............. baseball.
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0 #128 SensChirp 2011-06-07 19:04
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
wow.

Philly finally has a goalie.

scary team now. bryz is worth at least a 1st tho

He's a UFA. They traded for his rights.
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0 #129 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-07 19:06
Oh that's right. Just read that part by Bob Mckenzie.

Something that team has lacked the past 3 years.

They're already in cap hell though.

Would still like to see Jeff Carter in a Sens jersey ;)

Projected cap space for 2011-2012 for the Flyers by capgeek: $430,845
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0 #130 Sandy 2011-06-07 19:09
No Cowen in the lineup.
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0 #131 DrSens 2011-06-07 19:17
still no one with a stream eh?

too bad bryz went to phili but they really need a goalie
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-3 #132 Tcharger 2011-06-07 19:17
Gotta say this....really disappointed with what has become of this once great site.

I used to check the site close to 20-25 times a day minimum, now if I check once it seems like a chore.

Hopefully the redundant/juven ile discussion are a result of being little to nothing to talk about due to it being the off season, but it genuinely feels like the intelligence level of discussion around here has dropped about 40 points.

Here is hoping Bingo pulls it off tonight.
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0 #133 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 19:18
Big save LEHNER!
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0 #134 MacK 2011-06-07 19:20
Quoting DrSens:
still no one with a stream eh?

too bad bryz went to phili but they really need a goalie

it's looking very much like a stream is a no go. Oh well, radio broadcast will have to do.
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+1 #135 Tcharger 2011-06-07 19:21
Can't imagine a stream would be watchable at all...the cable broadcast is HORRIBLE.
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0 #136 PWL 2011-06-07 19:24
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=995877356767&oid=254660295467&comments&ref=mf

alfie on team 1200
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+1 #137 MacK 2011-06-07 19:25
Here we go!
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bingosenslives
Best feed of the Calder Cup Finals so far!
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+2 #138 SensChirp 2011-06-07 19:27
Quoting Tcharger:
Gotta say this....really disappointed with what has become of this once great site.

I used to check the site close to 20-25 times a day minimum, now if I check once it seems like a chore.

Hopefully the redundant/juvenile discussion are a result of being little to nothing to talk about due to it being the off season, but it genuinely feels like the intelligence level of discussion around here has dropped about 40 points.

Here is hoping Bingo pulls it off tonight.

Today was definitely a rough day. Not sure what got in to people but I guess the Alfie discussion brought out the worst in people.

Not sure what the answer is.
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0 #139 MacK 2011-06-07 19:27
Quoting Captain Alfie:
Big save LEHNER!

Rockin' Robin is just THAT tonight!
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0 #140 MacK 2011-06-07 19:29
ok, those fans don't look like they are at a hockey game. They look like they are in the stands of a high school volleyball game. lol
BSENS FANS ROCK!!!!
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0 #141 Spatchula 2011-06-07 19:30
Chirp! You guys got a shout out tonight! refered to as the "Ottawa crazies who were down for the game over the weekend" when they did their network checks! :D
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-1 #142 Tcharger 2011-06-07 19:30
Quoting SensChirp:

Today was definitely a rough day. Not sure what got in to people but I guess the Alfie discussion brought out the worst in people.

Not sure what the answer is.



Its not only today...I do not come every day anymore, but it seems every time I do it is something similar to today.

Who knows, I suppose it is kind of inevitable when a site becomes more popular it obviously attracts more people, and when it comes to sports that typical is at the expense of the level of discussion.
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0 #143 NickG 2011-06-07 19:31
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
wow.

Philly finally has a goalie.

scary team now. bryz is worth at least a 1st tho

He's a UFA. They traded for his rights.

Yeah. Philly is a great place to raise a family. They have a park there. And entertainment.

No parks or entertainment here in Arctic Winnipeg :P

Bryz is a pussy. I can't wait for Spezza to shell him all season long.
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0 #144 NickG 2011-06-07 19:41
Quoting Tcharger:
Quoting SensChirp:

Today was definitely a rough day. Not sure what got in to people but I guess the Alfie discussion brought out the worst in people.

Not sure what the answer is.



Its not only today...I do not come every day anymore, but it seems every time I do it is something similar to today.

Who knows, I suppose it is kind of inevitable when a site becomes more popular it obviously attracts more people, and when it comes to sports that typical is at the expense of the level of discussion.

The forum section seems much better at staying on the topic at hand.
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0 #145 Tcharger 2011-06-07 19:41
Oh yeah? I haven't really checked it out much, I figured it would be a total poop show lol
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+4 #146 NickG 2011-06-07 19:42
Quoting SensibleMac:
Here we go!
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bingosenslives
Best feed of the Calder Cup Finals so far!

I'd kiss you if I could. LOL
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0 #147 MacK 2011-06-07 19:44
Quoting NickG:
Quoting SensibleMac:
Here we go!
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bingosenslives
Best feed of the Calder Cup Finals so far!

I'd kiss you if I could. LOL

6 inch rule buddy. Keep your distance! LOL
Enjoy the game!
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0 #148 NickG 2011-06-07 19:45
Quoting Tcharger:
Oh yeah? I haven't really checked it out much, I figured it would be a total poop show lol

Yeah, comments on the blog posts usually start out on topic then evolve into branches about whatever.

The forum here is pretty good here. I, for one, love it.
Everyone stays on topic, and seems rather civil and polite in there.
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0 #149 SensChirp 2011-06-07 19:51
Quoting Spatchula:
Chirp! You guys got a shout out tonight! refered to as the "Ottawa crazies who were down for the game over the weekend" when they did their network checks! :D

I heard that! Im quietly hoping Grady mentions me by name because we actually talked for awhile at Dillingers after the game.
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+1 #150 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 20:04
DAUGAVINS
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0 #151 MacK 2011-06-07 20:06
YES!!! K DAUG! 1-0!
WOOOOOF!!!
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0 #152 Lambchops 2011-06-07 20:08
Beware of the DAUG
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0 #153 MacK 2011-06-07 20:12
hmmm, anyone else having troubles with the stream? It keeps cutting out on me...
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0 #154 NickG 2011-06-07 20:12
Quoting SensibleMac:
hmmm, anyone else having troubles with the stream? It keeps cutting out on me...

Working fine for me.
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0 #155 MacK 2011-06-07 20:17
Quoting NickG:
Quoting SensibleMac:
hmmm, anyone else having troubles with the stream? It keeps cutting out on me...

Working fine for me.

ok, must be my ridiculously slow internet connection.
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0 #156 MacK 2011-06-07 20:21
yikes... 2-1 houston
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0 #157 NickG 2011-06-07 20:22
PK blows tonight
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0 #158 MacK 2011-06-07 20:24
Quoting NickG:
PK blows tonight

Because Cowen isn't there to clear the front of the net for Lehner.
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0 #159 NickG 2011-06-07 20:28
On the bright side, my buddy Jeff Penner got an assist on that last goal.
Haha.
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0 #160 MacK 2011-06-07 20:30
Quoting NickG:
On the bright side, my buddy Jeff Penner got an assist on that last goal.
Haha.

Is he related to Dustin? After his assist I was wondering if they were brothers.
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0 #161 NickG 2011-06-07 20:34
Quoting SensibleMac:
Quoting NickG:
On the bright side, my buddy Jeff Penner got an assist on that last goal.
Haha.

Is he related to Dustin? After his assist I was wondering if they were brothers.

No. Not directly, as far as I know.
They might be distant cousins, seeing as how there are several thousand "Penners" in Manitoba. Dustin was born in Winkler, and Jeff in Steinbach. Roughly 2 hours apart.
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-1 #162 MoeDozer 2011-06-07 20:40
anyone else want to kill this commentator. he has no idea what he is talking about.
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+2 #163 LouSens 2011-06-07 20:40
Superman is getting quite the workout tonight... Are the refs on drugs???
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-1 #164 MacK 2011-06-07 20:43
Quoting MoeDozer:
anyone else want to kill this commentator. he has no idea what he is talking about.

If you are talking about Grady then I strongly disagree with you on that one. I find him to be very knowledgeable and exciting!
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+1 #165 383 2011-06-07 21:02
Bobby Bottle Service Butler!!!!!!
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0 #166 EMG 2011-06-07 21:03
BOBBBBBYYY!!!!
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0 #167 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 21:04
BB16
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+1 #168 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-07 21:04
BB16
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0 #169 jakester 2011-06-07 21:04
Butler what a player. This guy will pot at least 30 if he plays with Spezza next year. What a sniper.
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0 #170 jakester 2011-06-07 21:08
Gryba does he look ready or what???
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0 #171 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-07 21:10
Lehner is a franchise goalie. Just gotta love the kid.

murray absolutely needs to have BB16 playin pro next season.
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0 #172 jakester 2011-06-07 21:12
Lehner looks good - gotta love a big goalie
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0 #173 jakester 2011-06-07 21:13
PP
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0 #174 383 2011-06-07 21:13
@Jakester

Not to add to the negative vibe today, but to be honest I've been wondering all game if Gryba is injured or something.

He took an awful penalty, then just seemed rattled every time he touches the puck.

I'd put D.Smith and Benoit ahead of him at this point.

Just an opinion though. Let's not start another Alfie fiasco.
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0 #175 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 21:14
CAPTAIN KELLER!
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0 #176 jakester 2011-06-07 21:15
Just started watching - just saw his rush up the ice - will bow to what you've seen so far. i just like his size.

GOALLLLLLLLL!
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0 #177 EMG 2011-06-07 21:15
3-2 SENS!!!!!
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0 #178 LouSens 2011-06-07 21:15
Nice shot!
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0 #179 jakester 2011-06-07 21:17
I like Benoit he played well with the Sens this year as well.
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0 #180 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-07 21:17
I thought Benoit and D.Smith were impressive when they played in the NHL during their few games
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0 #181 jakester 2011-06-07 21:19
Smith has the size and the skating to play in the NHl.
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+1 #182 383 2011-06-07 21:20
Is that Ryan Keller or Jarome Iginla out there?!?!?!
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0 #183 MoeDozer 2011-06-07 21:20
Quoting SensibleMac:
Quoting MoeDozer:
anyone else want to kill this commentator. he has no idea what he is talking about.

If you are talking about Grady then I strongly disagree with you on that one. I find him to be very knowledgeable and exciting!

its not grady. im 90% sure these are houston announcers because everytime bingo does something, especially score, they go dead silent, and when houston gets a chance he is screaming.
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0 #184 jakester 2011-06-07 21:20
Hoffman one more year in Bingo and then I'm telling you he'll be a player in the NHL. He's always been tentative at the next level than he shows his stuff.
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0 #185 EMG 2011-06-07 21:20
That looks like a huge arena!
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0 #186 SlickRick 2011-06-07 21:22
6 min left baby...
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0 #187 MoeDozer 2011-06-07 21:22
Quoting EMG:
That looks like a huge arena!

thats because it is, houston rockets (nba team) play in it.
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0 #188 jakester 2011-06-07 21:23
Big crowd there - nice cheerleaders
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0 #189 SlickRick 2011-06-07 21:23
When did Gabe Morency from 'the Score' start playing for the Aeroes?
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0 #190 EMG 2011-06-07 21:27
10,000 in attendance for an AHL game in Houston... that's about 2,000 more than average attendance in New Jersey :P
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0 #191 EMG 2011-06-07 21:28
Fuck! penalty
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0 #192 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-07 21:28
What a cheap shot after the play on Gryba...
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0 #193 jakester 2011-06-07 21:28
Gryba - bad penalty there
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0 #194 jakester 2011-06-07 21:31
Lots of pressure
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0 #195 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-07 21:32
zach smith sucks
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0 #196 SlickRick 2011-06-07 21:32
Holy Shit!
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0 #197 jakester 2011-06-07 21:32
Holy smokes -Z Smith
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0 #198 jakester 2011-06-07 21:34
GREAT ACTION - big bodies on that Houston team.
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0 #199 MacK 2011-06-07 21:34
LESS THAN A MINUTE ON THE CLOCK! GO BSENS GO!!!
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0 #200 LouSens 2011-06-07 21:35
one minute boys...
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0 #201 NickG 2011-06-07 21:36
WTF STREAM?!?!!??!
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0 #202 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-06-07 21:36
WTFFFF
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0 #203 jakester 2011-06-07 21:37
This sucks - what is happening?
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0 #204 SlickRick 2011-06-07 21:37
YEAHHHHH!!!!!
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0 #205 Robert 2011-06-07 21:37
Alright! Go Bingo!
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0 #206 Spatchula 2011-06-07 21:37
What the hell????!!!!!

Where's the stream????!!!
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+1 #207 Captain Alfie 2011-06-07 21:37
CALDER CUP CHAMPIONS!!!!!
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0 #208 Frootmig 2011-06-07 21:37
Didn't realize we were watching a stream of a stream :)
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+1 #209 MacK 2011-06-07 21:38
wow, technical difficulties with AHL LIVE. Unreal, I guess it's the radio for the last 5 seconds!
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+1 #210 LouSens 2011-06-07 21:38
They've done it!!!
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0 #211 jakester 2011-06-07 21:38
Wow 5,4 sec
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+1 #212 CaMo 2011-06-07 21:38
BINGO WINNNNS
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0 #213 NickG 2011-06-07 21:38
LoL. Stream returns with 5.6secs left.
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0 #214 jakester 2011-06-07 21:38
AWESOME!
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0 #215 MacK 2011-06-07 21:39
BSENS WIN! BSENS WIN!!!! YAH BABY!!!
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+3 #216 RobStewart 2011-06-07 21:40
Haha Anyone else find it funny as they were celebrating that Cowen was still taller then most of the guys on skates?
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+1 #217 Spatchula 2011-06-07 21:40
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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+2 #218 jakester 2011-06-07 21:40
GOOD things are coming for the Ottawa SENS. Just have to have patience now!
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+1 #219 Ctea 2011-06-07 21:40
Way to go guys!! What a season!

You can't Hacket!!
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0 #220 EMG 2011-06-07 21:41
JEEBUS!!! Connection sucks with 1 minute remaining???
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+2 #221 NikoTn 2011-06-07 21:41
Wayda go boyss!!!
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+2 #222 EMG 2011-06-07 21:41
BINGO WINS!!!
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+1 #223 Kohlmanator 2011-06-07 21:41
YYYYYEEEEEEEEEE EAAAAAAAAAAAHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HH!!!!!!!!!!
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+2 #224 SkipOPot2Mus 2011-06-07 21:42
CALDER CUP CHAMPIONS!!
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-1 #225 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-06-07 21:43
16th best organization in hockey? My ass.
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+1 #226 EMG 2011-06-07 21:43
Lehner MVP?
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+2 #227 Kohlmanator 2011-06-07 21:44
Quoting EMG:
Lehner MVP?

YES SIR!!!
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+2 #228 MoeDozer 2011-06-07 21:44
WOOO LEHNER!!!!
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+2 #229 EMG 2011-06-07 21:45
LEHNER MVP!!!
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+2 #230 DrSens 2011-06-07 21:45
robin lehner mvp
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+2 #231 MacK 2011-06-07 21:45
Rockin' Robin is the Calder Cup MVP!
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+1 #232 Ctea 2011-06-07 21:47
I wish the stream was still up for the presentations and celebrations! Nvm. Way to go guys!!

I wonder if they'll bring the Calder Cup to Ottawa.
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+2 #233 EMG 2011-06-07 21:50
Quoting Ctea:
I wish the stream was still up for the presentations and celebrations! Nvm. Way to go guys!!

I wonder if they'll bring the Calder Cup to Ottawa.


Probably home opener with the whole Bingo team at center ice. That would be a nice touch!
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+2 #234 jakester 2011-06-07 21:50
I just think that LEHNER is a winner pure and simple.
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+2 #235 T K 2011-06-07 21:52
Wooohoo! A winning Senators team !
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0 #236 Ctea 2011-06-07 21:52
Quoting EMG:
Quoting Ctea:
I wish the stream was still up for the presentations and celebrations! Nvm. Way to go guys!!

I wonder if they'll bring the Calder Cup to Ottawa.


Probably home opener with the whole Bingo team at center ice. That would be a nice touch!


Maybe they'll bring the hardware with them to the development camp later this month. =]
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0 #237 Spatchula 2011-06-07 21:53
@ THEBLACKTERROR - Agreed!

Eat it Leafs and Marlies fans!
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+1 #238 NickG 2011-06-07 21:54
Hopefully those guys get a taste for blood cup, and stay hungry next year in the bigs.

Lehner was a miracle for us.
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0 #239 Sandy 2011-06-07 21:56
The playoff record for GAA was .940.

Lehner had .939 going in. Apparently he had .944 tonight..

So did he break that record?

What a win boys.....
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+1 #240 MoeDozer 2011-06-07 22:09
cowen now has a memorial cup, calder cup, wjc silver medal(2 of them), only 1 more piece of silver to go :)
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0 #241 Frootmig 2011-06-07 22:09
Quoting Sandy:
The playoff record for GAA was .940.

Lehner had .939 going in. Apparently he had .944 tonight..

So did he break that record?

What a win boys.....

No ... he's still at .939 (went from .9389 to .9393)
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+1 #242 MoeDozer 2011-06-07 22:29
carey price won the calder when he was 19. ( .896% 2.69 GAA)
robin lehner wins the calder at the age of 19. (.939% 2.11 GAA)
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