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Friday, 20 May 2011 15:43

A Quick Rant

Posted this in the comment section but figured a post of its own was necessary.

A bit of an aside here but a reader passed along some comments made by Toronto Star writer Damien Cox that in my opinion, were completely unacceptable. Especially considering this afternoon's news that Boogaard passed away from an accidental mixture of alcohol and oxycodone toxicity

Here is what Cox had to say...

--The death of the NHL's top heavyweight, 28-year-old Derek Boogaard, was a stunning tragedy for his family and reverberated throughout the sport on the weekend. Answers to how he died could make his passing yet more meaningful to those outside the family.

He was rocked by a Matt Carkner right cross to the button on Dec. 9th and never played again, although it sounds like his training was going well. Sadly, he was challenged by Carkner after landing a good, perfectly legal bodycheck in the open ice on Jesse Winchester of the Senators. That the sick nonsense the NHL needs to crack down on but doesn't seem to want to. Boogaard knew his job and accepted it, but surely the guy had a right to be able to play the game within the rules without having to scrap every single time.


In the aftermath of the tragic death of Derek Boogaard, and only a day later for that matter, Cox had the nerve to draw conclusions between a Carkner/Boogaard fight from earlier in the year and the sudden passing of Boogaard.

Boogaard was one of the NHL's top heavyweights and on the play in question, in no way did Matt Carkner jump him or force him into an altercation. He challenged him and the two dropped the gloves. To imply that Carkner did something wrong on the play is absolutely ludicrous and to have the nerve to tie it to Boogaard's tragic passing was irresponsible and in my opinion, completely uncalled for.

I understand that Damien Cox is anti-fighting but to use Matt Carkner's name in connection with this incident was unfair on the part of Cox. I don't know much about Damien Cox but I sure hope he addresses this is the very near future.

The NHL lost a fan favourite in Derek Boogaard and at the all too young age of 28. That's the story here.

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+2 #1 Phil 2011-05-20 14:54
Nicely said Chirp!
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+3 #2 T K 2011-05-20 14:56
To Cox: So you're an expert?
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+2 #3 Spensar 2011-05-20 15:08
Out of respect for the deceased, we will not go checking in to the number of times Boogard did the exact same thing.

It is an issue in the league, no doubt about it, but no need to drag a person's name through the mud.
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+1 #4 Dmare0692 2011-05-20 15:13
This is another example of how the sportsnet/tsn media keeps on disrespecting our players. This is unbelievable. It is unfair to drag Carkner's name into the equation here.

R.I.P. Derek
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+2 #5 T K 2011-05-20 15:33
A reasonable person unfamiliar with the situation could read the news article as an allegation of manslaughter. Sounds like abuse of the press and defamation to me. Someone should sue.
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+1 #6 chrispyguy 2011-05-20 16:03
Sens army should flood ghis guys inbox and twitter his ass
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+1 #7 Engin 2011-05-20 16:38
If someone from the Ottawa Sun or Citizen wrote something like what Damien Cox wrote and dragged Colton Orr or Jay Rosehill into the mud. Leafs fans, the Toronto media, and the whole city of Toronto would shitting bricks and want the person from the Ottawa media fired and and locked up. The Toronto Star as well as the rest of the Toronto media better have some balls and fire Cox's ass and bar him from appearing on any radio or television shows again.
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+2 #8 TheTyrantWee 2011-05-20 16:42
Honestly without knowing the facts its difficult to take a side. Cox has a point that players shouldn't have to fight after a clean hit and it often happens that it's expected of them to drop the gloves after doing so. I don't think he should have mentioned Carkner specifically but if the Boogeyman was taking Codeine months later because of after effects from the fight then there is a legitimate connection. The article would be better written if just focused on the aspect of forced fights rather than implicating Carkner the way it did - that was unfair obviously because Carnker is just doing his job the way things are currently done in the league. Not to mention if Oxy was in fact involved then he shouldn't have been drinking at all. A really tragic error from a guy who was widely known as a great person.
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+2 #9 Dorkievicz 2011-05-20 16:49
Well said Chirp. Carkner got the better of him that one fight. It could have easily been the other way around (I'm sure it was on more than one occassion). A lot of people considered Boogard toughest/most intimidating player in the league - he can't be forced to fight.

Too many false assumptions Cox is making to point them all out without being long-winded
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+1 #10 JackLaytonsMustache 2011-05-20 17:40
My #1 pet peave with hockey today is how guys have to fight everytime they make a clean hit. I'm not saying that Damian Cox was right to imply the connection between Carkner and Boogard fighting, they probably would have fought even without the hit, I'm just really sick of guys having to fight just for making a clean hit, the type of hit we love in hockey. KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!
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+1 #11 T K 2011-05-20 19:23
BTW, there 's a nice, feel-good article in the local Binghamton paper (Press- Connect, I think is the name) about the play offs
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+1 #12 myhero 2011-05-20 19:49
TyrantWee,

Cox went way too far. Cox uses the word "Sadly" like the Carkner punch was the beginning of Boogard's downfall. Writers use words like this to hook the reader, just like "tragically" or "disturbingly". Cox knew he was directly linking the two incidents even though he has no proof and theoretically it can't be proven.

He took a common hockey event, linked it to a Boogard's death and blamed it on a guy that was doing his job.
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+1 #13 m410 2011-05-20 20:01
Well said Chirp! And thanks for standing up for the Sens, when just about everyone else is out to stomp on them at every opportunity - as this latest Cox rant exemplifies.

Cox is a Leaf nation ham and egger, nothing else. He thinks himself a reporter and commentator. These comments prove he's nothing more than a wannabe who's totally out of touch with the realities of hockey - or sports in general for that reason.
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+1 #14 Patrick1rick1 2011-05-20 20:12
I agree with you SC. It was a stupid thing to say and there is no causal connection between the Carkner fight and was happened to Derek. Be at peace Derek.
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+4 #15 DenisVial 2011-05-20 20:38
I just sent a letter to the sports editor of the Star and voiced my opinion about that D-Bag Cox. I encourage others to do the same. I think Matt Carkner knows all too well the dangers of his profession, and the last thing he needs is to be blamed for another role players death.
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0 #16 jakester 2011-05-20 21:17
Did anyone catch HUBERDEAU tonight - easily could've had 5 points had some linemates converted tap-ins. Will cost the SENS another pick or Wiorcioch to trade up I think. He won't be there at 6. He's the guy SENS need. He's only getting better this guy. Won't be 18 till june 4th. Boy if that's folding against tougher competition then I'm OK with him. HAHA
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+1 #17 SensFanInMTL 2011-05-21 00:02
Quoting jakester:
Did anyone catch HUBERDEAU tonight - easily could've had 5 points had some linemates converted tap-ins. Will cost the SENS another pick or Wiorcioch to trade up I think. He won't be there at 6. He's the guy SENS need. He's only getting better this guy. Won't be 18 till june 4th. Boy if that's folding against tougher competition then I'm OK with him. HAHA


Are you fuckin for real dude? Had you not notice what the topic was about? You're no better than Damien Cocks. Shame on you boy.
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+1 #18 Captain Alfie 2011-05-21 00:08
RIP Boogeyman.
Derek knew his role, he knew Matts role, and he knew he would recover like a warrior. *Sadly* he mixed alcohol with his medication and he is no longer with us. A tragedy indeed but it happens everyday and it doesn't give shithead reporters the right to place undeserved blame on a vaguely connected incident.


To Damien Cox:

Fuck you you lying sack of shit. If you are looking for a job with the Sun media you have earned it and the reputation of tabloid BS that comes along with it. You give a bad name to journalism.
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+2 #19 defplayer 2011-05-21 06:32
and my thumb is down to Damian Cox(uker) for mentioning Matt Carkner in the same breath in the passing of Derek Boogaard. Many contributing factors come to mind with the early passing of Derek but none involve on ice play or how the game is played.

The most glaring questions are:
1- Why was an elite athlete prescribed such an addictive drug like oxycotin? Narcotics are never the cure for any injury, they just mask via numbing. Who prescribed this to Derek (ie was it the Rangers team Dr)? How many other players are on oxycotin?

2- Did the NHL substance abuse program fail Derek? We know he was registered in the program. How can the program learn to help players in the future avoid a similar fate?

Sadly, as long as we have spotty reporting in mainstream media, such as Damian Cox, we may never realize the answers to the important questions.
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+2 #20 conor smythe 2011-05-21 06:35
Quoting SensFanInMTL:

Are you fuckin for real dude? Had you not notice what the topic was about? You're no better than Damien Cocks. Shame on you boy.


Instead of giving this guy Cox twice as much publicity as he ever would have gotten for 2 poorly written paragraphs. Talking about (and seeing) Huberdeau's play is actually relevant.

Now to be a Hypocrite:

Cox on Sportsnet this morning regarding Winnipeg season tickets:

"If a city like Ottawa can get a team, with no stadium, and no money, I don't think season tickets sales will kill the deal in Winnipeg"
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0 #21 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-05-21 08:07
I half agree with you Chirp. Cox was out of line in his comments, as he often is. He's a homer for the Leafs, and as such he hates the Senators, and like the vast majority of journalists who dislike the Senators, he'll use any opportunity available to toss barbs at them.

That said, I agree with him that the fight was unnecessary. I don't know why players feel the need to fight a guy who delivered a clean check to his opponent. What Boogaard did was within the rules, what Carkner did was unnecessary.

However, that said, Boogaard has done this exact same thing too, so spinning it to make it sound like Boogaard didn't do the same thing dozens of times previously is irresponsible journalism on Cox's part. And as it has now been revealed, Boogaard had a pretty serious drug abuse problem, and he met with an unfortunately predictable demise considering what he was into.

THAT'S the story that should be told here. Don't be like Boogaard.
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0 #22 Captain Alfie 2011-05-21 08:08
Coxuker would talk like Winnipeg deserves a team over Hamilton. I think both cities deserve a team but Hamilton already has the arena and the billionaire looking to move a team to it. A team in Hamilton would provide very healthy competition to the currently sold out, over priced, and over populated GTA market. Fuck Dumbian Coxuker.
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-2 #23 Andrews Theory 2011-05-21 08:41
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
Quoting jakester:
Did anyone catch HUBERDEAU tonight - easily could've had 5 points had some linemates converted tap-ins. Will cost the SENS another pick or Wiorcioch to trade up I think. He won't be there at 6. He's the guy SENS need. He's only getting better this guy. Won't be 18 till june 4th. Boy if that's folding against tougher competition then I'm OK with him. HAHA


Are you fuckin for real dude? Had you not notice what the topic was about? You're no better than Damien Cocks. Shame on you boy.


nothing wrong with talking about other topics...i think we all agree for the most part on this cox thing.

by the way..."shame on you boy"? really, who says that....
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0 #24 Andrews Theory 2011-05-21 08:44
on another topic...

silver seven seems to think foligno, neil or regin may be the piece used to move up in the draft.
i hope it isnt foligno, out of the three id have say by to neil, smith can fill that roleif need be
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0 #25 Zombiekiller 2011-05-21 09:20
This cox guy is saying what many thought. I am extremely happy (?) that boogards death was not concussion related from the fight with carkner. Bottom line, they were both professionals doing what got them in the NHL . Boogard was fighting his own demons and what happened is tragic. However, in cox's defense, he did say this stuff before the autopsy results came out. Now cox just weakened his own position by jumping to the conclusion is was fighting related.

As for Ottawa getting a franchise with no arena , etc...he's right again. Ottawa getting a franchise was a shock to 99.9% of the pundits out there.

Cox is a clown worthy of ignoring.
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+1 #26 Sandy 2011-05-21 09:28
So Damien Cox is in the running with Glenn Healey for the sports writer or broadcaster as the one who hates the Sens the most.

He should print a retraction on his previous story... but he won't.
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+1 #27 senswatch 2011-05-21 09:43
I was disgusted by his comments too. But it's not the first time Cox has said something ridiculous. The real tragedy here is that Boogaard is gone at such a young age. Cox instead of showing respect and maturity, shows the opposite. The lesser tragedy here is that a lot of people's opinions are probably influenced by what this amateur writes and says.
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+1 #28 jamezfraser 2011-05-21 09:45
Frankly what killed Boogie wasn't a concussion. He mixed painkillers with booze! I have tons of respect for Boogard but he made his decision and he payed the price. Damian Cox is always one to stir up trouble and this is a prime example. Matt Carkner did nothing wrong and should not be held accountable for the death of Boogie. At least Cox is with sportsnet so we are already use to listening to crazy idiotic pundit talk.
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+1 #29 TheTyrantWee 2011-05-21 10:21
Jackester you fail.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/juniorhockey/blog/buzzing_the_net/post/QMJHL-Has-Huberdeau-faced-tough-enough-competit?urn=juniorhockey-351113

Couturier performed significantly better against top teams although obviously it's quite a small sample. Huberdeau had 9 points in his last 10 playoff games - aka the games against real competition. In fact even in the 3rd round it could easily be said Huberdeau's team was markedly better than their competition based on regular season stats.

You can go ahead and eat crow now. You claimed Landeskog had a lousy playoffs a few weeks ago despite the fact that his 10 points in 7 games vs. real competition was actually a better result than what Huberdeau has done vs. strong teams over the past few weeks. I told you Huberdeau's stats would drop off when he faced real competition and I was right. The guy doesn't impress me any more than the others ranked to go top 8.
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+3 #30 conor smythe 2011-05-21 10:40
LOL tyrant, sticking with your guns, I like that.

Landeskog actually had 10 pts in 4 games.. he went pointless 3 games in that series

Huberdeau has gone pointless 3 times in his entire playoff run.

Huberdeau's consistency far outshines Landeskogs Pts/G (which is lower than Hubby's BTW)


It's like when Havlat used to drop 4 pts in a game, and then disappear for a week... meanwhile alfredsson (in the same week) would score 1pt each game.

I think we can all agree we'd rather have a consistent player who gives us a chance to win every night than a guy who will win us One game a week and frustrate us for the all the others
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0 #31 conor smythe 2011-05-21 10:47
Honestly, do you think you deserve a pat on the the back for saying his production would fall after the first series?

He had 12pts in 4 games during that series.. OBVIOUSLY he wasn't going to score 3pts a game for the entire playoffs.

He would have something like 60pts by now!

Lol tyrant, sometimes you're just ridiculous..


Btw, what happened to that "real competition" Landeskog faced in first round? ohhh right, they got swept in the 2nd round.. must have been some reeeealll tough competitors.
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0 #32 Sandy 2011-05-21 12:01
Well -- you can stop the argument by having the Sens move up in the draft with both 1st round picks and grab both Landeskog & Huberdeau/Couturier.

Thought I would throw in a little funny today. LOL

Enjoy the long weekend.
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0 #33 jakester 2011-05-21 13:01
Oh did Landeskog lose to Mississauga or Owen Sound WEE - no i think they lost to the powerhouse from Oshawa if I remember carefully - look bud you know very little or very wee about Hockey. What I've seen the last two weeks from Huberdeau shows me that he is a hell of a player. They're the youngest team in this tourney buddy. You should do some homework first. + the goalie for gatineau stood on his head they were outshot almost 2-1 in that series - with a little luck they would have potted many more goals. Did you not watch last night - i guess it atkes a lot to impress that wee mind of yours. keep hating dude!
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0 #34 jakester 2011-05-21 13:03
Sandy grabbing 2 guys like that in the draft would be a SENS dream come true.
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+1 #35 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-05-21 13:21
To me, outside of Nugent-Hopekins and Larsson, the top 10 is a crap shoot. The guy that gets drafted eighth could very well end up being better then the guy that ends up getting drafted third.

What we can all look forward too, is that who ever we draft first is going to hopefully help this team down the road and provide the franchise with a rookie face. Whether it's Couturier, Huburdeau, Landeskog, or what have you. Take joy in that guys ;)

To ME, Landeskog isn't worth trading up to get. I would rather keep my 6th and 21st and get two quality guys, then put all my my eggs in one Landeskog basket.

Who knows? The 6th might end up better! Heck Tyler Ennis was a 26th draft pick. Mattias Tedenby- a 24th.

This is a pretty good draft. I would take advantage of getting as many prospects as I can.

That being said I hope JH still left at the 6th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCN34D02V24
Didn't know he played with such an edge.
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0 #36 Sandy 2011-05-21 14:07
Quoting jakester:
Sandy grabbing 2 guys like that in the draft would be a SENS dream come true.


Yes it would would it not?

But they would have to give away a hell of a lot to even come close to that.... and it would hurt them more than help them.
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+1 #37 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-05-21 17:42
http://bruins2011draftwatch.blogspot.com/2011/04/bruins-2011-draft-case-for-mika.html

For those who aren't familiar with M Zibanejad. It's a bruins prospects site, but nonetheless provides good info. always great to see a hitting European forward. Sounds like the real deal.
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-1 #38 Colin 2011-05-22 11:55
Maybe Cox should read what Simmons wrote in his Sunday column. Quite a different take.

Scroll down to the part "Boogaard was not a hero"

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Atlanta/2011/05/21/18177716.html
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+3 #39 Johne 2011-05-22 15:14
Off topic, but heres a funny new commercial with Spezza in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ9x_XpGCE0&feature=youtu.be
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+3 #40 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-05-22 16:35
Anybody watching the San Jose series?

Coming from an unbiased hockey fan, Dany Heatley's really fallen off. Hasn't been a factor all playoffs long. Only scored 26 goal during the regular season [by his standards]=

Should have stayed in Ottawa :S
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0 #41 Sandy 2011-05-22 17:02
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Anybody watching the San Jose series?

Coming from an unbiased hockey fan, Dany Heatley's really fallen off. Hasn't been a factor all playoffs long. Only scored 26 goal during the regular season [by his standards]=

Should have stayed in Ottawa :S


In hindsight, I think getting rid of that contract really helped the Sens cap wise. SJ is in a world of hurt cap wise, I think, having the big 3 take up 21M all with NTC really hurts them against the cap. So what happens when a young Clowe or Couture comes looking for a big raise soon? Is SJ going to have the room to sign them.
By the way, was Heatley on the 3rd line in the last period. Talk about a diminished role... That will be really hard on his ego.

So Vancouver paid back SJ for taking out those 2 D by taking our Thornton. It will be interesting to see if he is available next game.
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+2 #42 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-05-22 19:14
It may have helped the Sens cap wise, but that's about it. Heatley was our best player, and if you really think about it, probably the very reason why we're rebuilding right now.

Damn the pizza line was a good line.

I hope Murray can nab a scoring forward. Not many too choose from though... http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=25880

Simon Gagne anyone?
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+1 #43 Johne 2011-05-22 19:49
Gagne 5 years ago I'd take.
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+2 #44 AJC 2011-05-22 19:52
Dany the douche in the box while he team is scored against... again. Beauty!

That's what they call karma for being a gigantic a**hole
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-1 #45 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-05-22 21:03
Gagne's current salary is 5 and a 1/4 mil too. Sure as hell isn't worth that any more, so I don't think he'd be asking for that kind of money.

I'd take Gagne for max 3.5 mil for a couple of years.
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-1 #46 Dorkievicz 2011-05-23 01:29
In other news, the search for head coach will start to heat up sometime before next season begins.
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+2 #47 Chris R 2011-05-23 01:42
Hello Chirp,

First time righter but been following you for about a year. Really like your updates and opinion on stuff. And quick for rumours. Good job. Anyways just commenting on the Mat Carkner and Boogaard comment. I totally agree its uncalled for! When you sign up for professional sports ur taking risks on your life and health. Stuff happens. And Carkner is not the Avery type. He just plays hard and defends teammates. What do you expect from a guy his size? Jeez. Anyways keep up the good work with the site Chirp. I have it for my homepage! Nice new look for site by the way. Take care. Go SENS Go!
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-1 #48 Terry K 2011-05-24 17:59
The Toronto Star is a left wing trash rag geared towards NDP space cadets. Does this really surprise you that this was printed?
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