The Ottawa Senators have done the expected and fired head coach Cory Clouston along with his assistants Greg Carvel and Brad Lauer. This was a move we have been talking about for quite some time but the fact that it came right after the game shows this was a move the team had planned for quite some time.
Sorry for the late post on this one but I got caught away from the computer. More analysis on the shake up in a little bit.
Go Islanders!
i can't believe Carvel has lasted this long - he musta had something on Melnyk or Murray ! haha
here's hoping we can pry Kirk Muller away from the Habs !!
Sure theoretically this still could have happened, but the fact that Murray sat idly by and allowed this to happen is absurd. OHHHH well, I guess we are trying to get into the record books for most coaches fired by a single GM in a decade.
Lets see how low my =/- gets for this one.
Yes please! Don't think it involves prying though, Montreal media has already reported he wants to find a head coaching job in the NHL and will have to leave Montreal to do so.
I've always enjoyed your often bitter rants because you're almost always right. Unfortunately the "Pollyanna Posse" seem to have taken over the site and any critcism of Bryan Murray is considered a sacrilege.
The young guys bought in and played the system very well.
But if this was done to bring in Cameron.. bad mistake. He will be gone by Christmas.
I can't see the veterans like Alfie, Phillips, Gonchar and whoever else putting up with another rookie coach.
Hopefully my edit of the quote works lol....but yeah, it is kind of insane.
Could it be possible there were other factors at play? Maybe trying to make Ottawa a bit more attractive to potential UFAs by winning a few games? Maybe wanting to provide some hope to the fan base so the season ticket numbers don't drop too much?
You could be right, maybe Murray just felt sorry for Clouston so let him try to win some games to bolster his resume.
Maybe....That being said, I still believe that it is in the teams best interest to not pursue UFAs this summer. The season ticket thing may have some merit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYTELsqbl64
I tend to agree. We barely have room for the young guys as it is. Though everything I've seen from Murray seems to indicate he's still planning on playing the UFA market.
Or maybe he's trying to lure one of the Swedes to come over??
by SensNation
I can't think of a better way to rebuild than extend the GM, resign slow dinosaur D, sign even more 4th liners, and let owner pick new coach
It's crazy how non-Sens fans talk about the team when in fact they don't know anything about the team, it pisses me off really, it's not like Murray has done a poor job lately, and it's not like Phillips is a shit at 3M$ ?
So we either pick 5th (74.7% chance), 1st (8.1%) or 6th (17.2%). Unless we work trade of course.
The system worked. Our team plays this blue collar type system very well. The poor coaching decisions and lineup decisions are what really killed this team this year.
So we either pick 5th (74.7% chance), 1st (8.1%) or 6th (17.2%). Unless we work trade of course."
Are those are only options or can we still move up to 2nd, 3rd or 4th through the draft lottery?
That said, if Ottawa picks fifth, I take Huberdeau or Strome...Coutur ier I think will be 2nd-3rd liner and a solid one at that, but he's my pick to drop in the draft...there's always one.
Hopefully though Ottawa will win the lottery, although unlikely. I would consider trading up for GL, but it would be hard too...however, if he Landeskog is available at #3, I think he'd be open for business - he always looks to add more picks and prospects and I dont think he's set on a winger...tough to say...
If there is justice, Ottawa should win the lottery, they didnt mail in the last 15 games like everyone else below them CLEARLY did.
Although CC had SOME good hockey sense, he clearly couldn't communicate with players properly and was an over the top hardass...Milbu ry (i cant believe Im agreeing with him on this) said it right, they have to like you a little bit....look at Bylsma, Boudreau etc...they are tough but fair but likeable. Its a fine line.
25 games in next year, you'd all be saying FIRE CLOUSTON, cuz in all likelyness, the team will struggle again next year...here's hoping they dont. Ottawa should've waited til at least monday though, shown a bit of class, but they opted to give'em the boot right away i guess
I meant if the new coach brought in his own system, I hope it would work as well as this one.
I would like to thanks every ottawa senator for the last month of the season. Because they were out of the playoffs, guarenteed to get their paycheck. And they still played their hearts out for their REAL FANS!!
Cameron as Assistant
You can do it!
Someone has to do it. I'll apply tomorrow.
TOOKIE and HarvardYaleAndP rincetonMan will be my assistants.
I don't know why I had it in my head that there was more than just the single selection. I thought they would pick the first and then remove the winners remaining changes and pick the next ball and so on. Isn't that what they did when Pittsburgh got Crosby?
Found this on a Boo Boo Garrioch site of all places.
That was because no season had been played due to the lockout
He has consistently kept Butler/Greening /Spezza together on our top line because he recognized them as our top forwards. And with the rest of our team composed of injured players and fourth liners, I do not blame him for the constant shuffle of lines.
CC was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and I wish him the best in the future.
Ya, we had a bad season, but as it's been pointed out, Clouston was given this team, created by a guy who just got a 3 year extension.
There has to be something going on that no one is talking about. It was no secret Clouston and the Vets didn't get along, (Kovie/Jarko/et c) could it be possible Clouston and Alfie/Phillips/ Spezza in the mist of an intense season had some sort of falling out?
Totally not claiming this ACTUALLY happened, but how else does this make sense.
I don't buy that Murray saved his job with all the trades. Let's be honest, blowing up a team is the easiest task an NHL GM has to do.
All I'm sayin' is that Clouston didn't deserve to be fired and for the way it happened like it did, there has to be something else, that as fans we will never know. Things like that happen and I'm certain this was the case.
All the best CC, you'll always be T1000 in my heart.
I was hoping the hockey gods would have had us finish below the Isles but what is done is done. Now it's all up to the lottery balls - that would easily be the best thing to happen to the Sens this year.
Glad to see Clouston gone, it was absolutely necessary, and from what I've heard, he was a problem with many of the veteran players, and I don't just mean Kovie and Ruutu.
Still surprised though that they fired him so fast, what was the point of that? Lack of class looks bad on us trying to recruit a new coach(es) going forward.
Good luck Cory, you had your moments with the Sens!
These comments are regarding the new coach, but the gist applies to all personnel decisions. Atta boy Eugene - stand back and let Murray rebuild this baby properly!
"I can tell you when you tell people to put their stamp on a team, don't tell them how to put their stamp on it," said Melnyk. "Do I have suggestions? Absolutely. Does (Murray) have the autonomy to override that? Yes, he does.
"Let the pros do what they do best. That's why they get paid the big bucks. If they come back and they know this is the guy for this team, I'm not going to stand in the way. You can't put your finger into things when you want and then blame them when it goes bad."
Quoting big_red_brandon:
This season was a mess and he was the biggest culprit.
As a coach, it is YOUR responsibility to put your players into a system that maximizes their potential for success.
He puts Gonchar on the left point on the PP. They develop a defensive system based on hitting and winning corner battles, when nearly all of their players are built around transition. He breaks up lines after 2 shifts. He had faith in all the wrong guys from the get-go (Elliott and Shannon come immediately to mind).
These are all coaching issues. Murray definitely gave him a few lame ducks, but Clouston turned the entire team into dead weight. It's no wonder Heatley didn't want to play for him.
With the right coach, this organization can become a destination where players want to be. Let's hope they hire the right guy.
I am not sold on Hartley, some of his goon tactics in Atlanta was not appreciated around the league, Hitchcock is not right for this young team. Of the names been thrown around I like the idea of Deboer or Muller at this point, sure bring in Cameron as an Associate but also bring another veteran career coach as the other associate like a Mike Kitchen if he is available
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