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Monday, 14 January 2013 13:31

Murray Speaks on Day Two

Bryan Murray spoke to the media after day 2 of camp and as you’d expect, there were a few questions about the team’s search for blueline help.

According to Murray, there aren’t really many defenceman available around the league.  It further complicates matters when you consider a number of teams looking for defensive help early in training camp.  The Sens GM suggested that there is certainly nothing imminent on that front right now.

Free agency is still an option on defence but right now, it looks like Murray would rather wait and see how the young guys perform early in the season.

When it comes to goaltending, Murray said that the team won’t base the decision solely on contracts.  This is good news for Robin Lehner, who many assume will be the odd man out because of his two way contract.  It is going to be really hard for MacLean to differentiate between Bishop and Lehner without any preseason games but that’s the reality of this shortened season.

Will be interesting to see how the crease shakes out in Ottawa to start the season.

When asked about numbers, Murray suggested that the team could carry as many as 22 or 23 players to start the season.  That will mean two or three healthy scratches to start the season on Saturday afternoon.  With only 26 players in camp, Coach MacLean will have the luxury of carrying a couple extra bodies to start the season. 

Assuming Cody Ceci and Stefan Noesen are returned to Junior and the team only carries two goalies, MacLean may not even need to cut a skater before the season opener.

FULL AUDIO OF MURRAY INTERVIEW

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0 #1 The Apostle 2013-01-14 13:45
Neither Murray or MacLean need pre-season games to evaluate Lehner and Bishop. They've played over 30 games between them in the AHL this year, that should be enough for them to work out what to do.
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+2 #2 johnny t 2013-01-14 14:09
if Andy plays like he did against NYR in the playoffs then this goes away as an issue. Bishop is best suited for backup duty. Lehner plays out the season in Bingo and then the Ottawa nets are his next year.

SUCK IT PHANEUF!
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+1 #3 WolfInSheepsClothes 2013-01-14 14:19
Chirp, what do you think may be the breakdown for games started by the goalies this year? Since it's close to being a game every 2 days, do you see it being evenly split?

24/24?
28/20?
32/16?
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+1 #4 NikoTn 2013-01-14 14:33
I think it'll be closer to 28/20...

Look at the Canucks picking up FA defenseman.
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+1 #5 Tcharger 2013-01-14 14:46
Chirp...any news on a pool??
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+3 #6 OmniSens 2013-01-14 14:47
Watched Michalek's work earlier. The guy looks in great shape and definitely ready for the season!
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+6 #7 SensChirp 2013-01-14 14:48
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:
Chirp...any news on a pool??

Will try to set something up tonight or tomorrow. Stay tuned.
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+3 #8 The Apostle 2013-01-14 15:00
OT: I had no idea Latendresse was as young as he is.
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+1 #9 Sandy 2013-01-14 15:04
Was at the practice yesterday. Really enjoyed it.

I was so mad during the lockout.. but being at SBP for a Sens practice.. got that great hockey feeling back. A little chat with Cyril Leeder & Eugene Melnyk helped that along as well.

I think the reason there is no practice on Wed is because of a Season Ticket Holder event that evening.. starting @ 4:30 until about 9:00.

So appears no imminent trade for a D as Murray says none really available. We all assume he will go for a young NHL ready defensemen..

Oilers traded for Mark Fistric. Now I must admit I know nothing about this player... is he any good?

Also, Bishop's contract is up this year. Will he be an RFA or a UFA this summer?
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+1 #10 The Apostle 2013-01-14 15:17
Quoting Sandy:

Also, Bishop's contract is up this year. Will he be an RFA or a UFA this summer?



according to capgeek he's RFA
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0 #11 gds86 2013-01-14 15:24
anyone know the info for the free under 14 tickets, are they just regualar tickets or are they marked with something
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+1 #12 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-14 15:42
I mentioned it in the last post, but Thomas Hickey is a guy who was slated as a high prospect in LA and kinda lost his way, now on waivers. Murray's had an ability to turn those situations into good fortune, anyone think he'd be a quality lower level signing?

He's been a 20+ point D in Manchester the last 2 years. If BM plans to keep many of the D from Bingo up in Ottawa, that leaves Bingo somewhat depleted, especially since Eckford was put on waivers.

Ottawa will need to fill those positions, so no doubt they pick up a few FA D to play in the A. That could also be why Jessiman was waived, to make room for a few FA D as replacements.
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0 #13 DenisVial 2013-01-14 15:47
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
I mentioned it in the last post, but Thomas Hickey is a guy who was slated as a high prospect in LA and kinda lost his way, now on waivers. Murray's had an ability to turn those situations into good fortune, anyone think he'd be a quality lower level signing?

He's been a 20+ point D in Manchester the last 2 years. If BM plans to keep many of the D from Bingo up in Ottawa, that leaves Bingo somewhat depleted, especially since Eckford was put on waivers.

Ottawa will need to fill those positions, so no doubt they pick up a few FA D to play in the A. That could also be why Jessiman was waived, to make room for a few FA D as replacements.


Players claimed on waivers must stay up with the big club. To send Hickey to Bingo, he would have to go on waivers again and LA would get first crack at him. Re-entry waivers have been removed this year to allow call ups without losing the rights to a player. So unless Murray thinks Hickey is a better option than Benoit, Boro and Wirecock, he won't be plucking Hickey off waivers.
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-1 #14 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-14 15:47
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:
Chirp...any news on a pool??

Will try to set something up tonight or tomorrow. Stay tuned.


I'm in for that, if it happens.
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+1 #15 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-14 15:48
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
I mentioned it in the last post, but Thomas Hickey is a guy who was slated as a high prospect in LA and kinda lost his way, now on waivers. Murray's had an ability to turn those situations into good fortune, anyone think he'd be a quality lower level signing?

He's been a 20+ point D in Manchester the last 2 years. If BM plans to keep many of the D from Bingo up in Ottawa, that leaves Bingo somewhat depleted, especially since Eckford was put on waivers.

Ottawa will need to fill those positions, so no doubt they pick up a few FA D to play in the A. That could also be why Jessiman was waived, to make room for a few FA D as replacements.


Players claimed on waivers must stay up with the big club. To send Hickey to Bingo, he would have to go on waivers again and LA would get first crack at him. Re-entry waivers have been removed this year to allow call ups without losing the rights to a player. So unless Murray thinks Hickey is a better option than Benoit, Boro and Wirecock, he won't be plucking Hickey off waivers.


Oh good to know. I'll be honest, Waivers and re-entry, all that confuses the F out of me.
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0 #16 Sandy 2013-01-14 15:53
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
I mentioned it in the last post, but Thomas Hickey is a guy who was slated as a high prospect in LA and kinda lost his way, now on waivers. Murray's had an ability to turn those situations into good fortune, anyone think he'd be a quality lower level signing?

He's been a 20+ point D in Manchester the last 2 years. If BM plans to keep many of the D from Bingo up in Ottawa, that leaves Bingo somewhat depleted, especially since Eckford was put on waivers.

Ottawa will need to fill those positions, so no doubt they pick up a few FA D to play in the A. That could also be why Jessiman was waived, to make room for a few FA D as replacements.



I think the waivers (most teams had them today) were more or less done for players that are AHL waiver eligible and won't be playing in the NHL this season. Don't they do this at the beginning of every NHL season? There is nothing on the B-Sens website about Jessiman/Lawson /Eckford being sent anywhere. Maybe just 'paperwork'?
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+1 #17 DenisVial 2013-01-14 15:54
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
I mentioned it in the last post, but Thomas Hickey is a guy who was slated as a high prospect in LA and kinda lost his way, now on waivers. Murray's had an ability to turn those situations into good fortune, anyone think he'd be a quality lower level signing?

He's been a 20+ point D in Manchester the last 2 years. If BM plans to keep many of the D from Bingo up in Ottawa, that leaves Bingo somewhat depleted, especially since Eckford was put on waivers.

Ottawa will need to fill those positions, so no doubt they pick up a few FA D to play in the A. That could also be why Jessiman was waived, to make room for a few FA D as replacements.


Players claimed on waivers must stay up with the big club. To send Hickey to Bingo, he would have to go on waivers again and LA would get first crack at him. Re-entry waivers have been removed this year to allow call ups without losing the rights to a player. So unless Murray thinks Hickey is a better option than Benoit, Boro and Wirecock, he won't be plucking Hickey off waivers.


Oh good to know. I'll be honest, Waivers and re-entry, all that confuses the F out of me.


I think due to age or games played, Eckford and Jessiman have to clear waivers before they are allowed to stay in the AHL. The rule is to allow guys with two way contracts a chance to play in the bigs if their current team doesn't give them the opportunity. That doesn't apply to entry level deals of course.
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0 #18 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-14 15:57
Most of us know the majority of the team has not changed and who will be in the lineup this year. So with that, who do you think will surprise us in this 48 game season?

I'm going to say Gonchar. I'm using the old 'final contract year' train of thought. He'll play in the top 4, do very well and produce at a decent pace. All of this to help gain one final contract going into free agency.
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-1 #19 FBP 2013-01-14 16:05
I'm happy it doesn't look like we're going to overpay for some defence.

We're going to need some FA D help eventually though. Hopefully they'll buy someone decent for our third re-build year. It'd be fun to make a FA splash, as much as our owner talks about not doing that anymore.

I don't know anything about Hickey. But knowing that D are a hot commodity right now, you'd think he would have to be pretty bad and not worth a late round pick for Lombardi to expose him to twenty nine other teams for nothing.

Just got some sweet seats for a family outing to our Hockey Day in Canada game! It's nice to have some Sens hockey back!
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+6 #20 Tcharger 2013-01-14 16:05
Silfverberg all the way.

I have leaf fans at work even believing me that he will be more than the hype.
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+2 #21 Dirtysweet 2013-01-14 16:15
I think we're kidding ourselves thinking this team will get by without adding NHL depth to our defense. If anyone of our current NHL defence men goes down with an injury.. We're in a lot of trouble.
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+2 #22 St Nick 2013-01-14 16:20
Who is Murray kidding? It almost always comes down to contracts & has in the past with several players. They are not going to pay Bishop to play in the minors or take a chance to lose him on wiavers, if he is sent down. Lehner is waiver exempt & on a two-way, he will be returned to Bingo until Bishop is traded. I guess that Ottawa could carry 3 goalies for a little while as part of their 23 man roster but somehow I doubt they do that.

I believe there are 29 players in camp including the 3 goalies, Maclean will have to cut at least 3 players from the roster & one goalie. Ceci & Noesen will be returned to junior, Maclean has already said neither junior player will get an NHL game. And likely either Hoffman or one of the 3 Bingo defencemen & Lehner will be cut. I wonder when the cuts start?
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+6 #23 Sharmarke 2013-01-14 16:23
is SILFVERBERG considered a rookie? if so I believe he wins the calder.
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+1 #24 C.J. 2013-01-14 16:30
^ THANK YOU hahaha
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+4 #25 C.J. 2013-01-14 16:31
yes hes a rook
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+1 #26 Tcharger 2013-01-14 16:33
He is 100% eligible, I am not sure if he wins it but I suspect he is top 3 in voting.

Really will boil down to how quickly he and Spezza/Milan develop chemistry.

I have been told I am nuts, but I have him in just about everyone of my pools, and am hoping to be forced to keep him!
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+1 #27 C.J. 2013-01-14 16:41
Ya with my last pick i was gonna take him, but i figured foligno is getting top line minutes in columbus so i took him, :s hopefully i dont regret it hahaha
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+2 #28 Sensnation 2013-01-14 16:52
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Most of us know the majority of the team has not changed and who will be in the lineup this year. So with that, who do you think will surprise us in this 48 game season?

I'm going to say Gonchar. I'm using the old 'final contract year' train of thought. He'll play in the top 4, do very well and produce at a decent pace. All of this to help gain one final contract going into free agency.


I'm going to go a bit crazy and say Greening, Smith and Condra. I think Greening will show some nice growth in his game, though his numbers may not get as high and I think Condra can only go up or out of the NHL. Smith should bounce back at least some.
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+2 #29 Andrews Theory 2013-01-14 16:52
Quoting Sharmarke:
is SILFVERBERG considered a rookie? if so I believe he wins the calder.


I would love this but he's got some very stiff competition this year including Yakupov, Schultz, Tarasenko, Granlund etc...

there is alot of high end talent taking prominent roles this year.
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+1 #30 Sensnation 2013-01-14 17:00
Quoting Andrews Theory:
Quoting Sharmarke:
is SILFVERBERG considered a rookie? if so I believe he wins the calder.


I would love this but he's got some very stiff competition this year including Yakupov, Schultz, Tarasenko, Granlund etc...

there is alot of high end talent taking prominent roles this year.


Agreed, and if Dougie Hamilton gets 20+mins a night, he could be in the convo too. There's probably a list of 25 players who could actually win it this year.
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+2 #31 DenisVial 2013-01-14 17:15
Quoting Andrews Theory:
Quoting Sharmarke:
is SILFVERBERG considered a rookie? if so I believe he wins the calder.


I would love this but he's got some very stiff competition this year including Yakupov, Schultz, Tarasenko, Granlund etc...

there is alot of high end talent taking prominent roles this year.


His advantage is he has played against men for 2 years now, plays both ways which will increase his ice time, and he's playing with Spezza. I wouldn't be surprised if Silfverberg wins the Calder. I think Schultz might be his biggest competition.
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+2 #32 Sandy 2013-01-14 17:17
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting Andrews Theory:
Quoting Sharmarke:
is SILFVERBERG considered a rookie? if so I believe he wins the calder.


I would love this but he's got some very stiff competition this year including Yakupov, Schultz, Tarasenko, Granlund etc...

there is alot of high end talent taking prominent roles this year.


Agreed, and if Dougie Hamilton gets 20+mins a night, he could be in the convo too. There's probably a list of 25 players who could actually win it this year.



Did Tarasenko come over from the KHL for this season?

I agree re: Condra - Smith - Greening. That could potentially be the Sens 4th line. That's has some grit and some scoring threat..

I'm not concerned with the forwards.. or the goaltending. Defense... well it's a wait and see.

This team is still in year 2 of it's re-build or re-tool.. so let the young guys play.
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+1 #33 Sensnation 2013-01-14 17:20
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting Andrews Theory:
Quoting Sharmarke:
is SILFVERBERG considered a rookie? if so I believe he wins the calder.


I would love this but he's got some very stiff competition this year including Yakupov, Schultz, Tarasenko, Granlund etc...

there is alot of high end talent taking prominent roles this year.


His advantage is he has played against men for 2 years now, plays both ways which will increase his ice time, and he's playing with Spezza. I wouldn't be surprised if Silfverberg wins the Calder. I think Schultz might be his biggest competition.


Tarasenko has been playing in the KHL against men since he was 16. He's 21 now! Just saying.
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+4 #34 Andrews Theory 2013-01-14 17:23
Dont get me wrong, I'll be cheering like crazy for Silfverberg and if he does win it then the comparisons to Alfie are going to go viral...
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0 #35 Sensnation 2013-01-14 17:24
Quoting Sandy:

Did Tarasenko come over from the KHL for this season?

I agree re: Condra - Smith - Greening. That could potentially be the Sens 4th line. That's has some grit and some scoring threat..

I'm not concerned with the forwards.. or the goaltending. Defense... well it's a wait and see.

This team is still in year 2 of it's re-build or re-tool.. so let the young guys play.


Tarasenko did indeed come over. He's got the toughest coach for a rookie, but his skill level and 2way game should fit in nicely in St Louis.

Agreed on the young guys!
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+3 #36 boom 2013-01-14 17:29
Can we put this "he's played against men" theory to bed for once and for all?
I'm not disputing the fact that the SEL and KHL are good leagues, but there is almost NO hitting. If these players had played in the AHL while teenagers, the fact that they played against men would be relevant because they would have proven they can take a hit, but any advantage gained by playing agaisnt men in the SEL or KHL is minimal and negated by the fact that they still need to learn how to play on the smaller ice surfaces in the NHL.
Remember Rundblad? He's still learning...
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0 #37 Sacul 2013-01-14 17:40
Can someone say how many total players on pro contracts the Sens currently have? I believe there's a limit, like 50.
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0 #38 Sensnation 2013-01-14 17:45
Quoting Sacul:
Can someone say how many total players on pro contracts the Sens currently have? I believe there's a limit, like 50.


Not a complete answer, but capgeek has the Sens with 51 players signed to contracts across all levels. The junior ones I believe slide or don't count towards the 50 ... depending on the language in the new CBA. So my guess is around 47-48 minus anyone who was waived and picked up today.

http://www.capgeek.com/senators/
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0 #39 lbernier 2013-01-14 18:48
LA put Thomas Hickey on Waivers, Sens should pick him up and give him a shot in camp to see if he can make a spot on the team, he is now 23 so he should be close to be making the jump from the AHL to the NHL
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+1 #40 DenisVial 2013-01-14 19:03
Quoting lbernier:
LA put Thomas Hickey on Waivers, Sens should pick him up and give him a shot in camp to see if he can make a spot on the team, he is now 23 so he should be close to be making the jump from the AHL to the NHL


See post # 13 for why they won't claim him off waivers.
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0 #41 Canucnik 2013-01-14 19:30
Ya don't "cut" guys who are under contract and are prospects in your own Organization... they are reassigned "gently" by Coach Paul.
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0 #42 lbernier 2013-01-14 19:40
I know Hickey has to stay with the big club but why not give him a look, worse comes to worse you trade him or put him back on waivers duh lol
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0 #43 lbernier 2013-01-14 19:41
Hickey is almost NHL ready if not already. On the Sens blue line right now he could be a bottom pairing defeseman
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0 #44 Andrews Theory 2013-01-14 19:46
Quoting lbernier:
Hickey is almost NHL ready if not already. On the Sens blue line right now he could be a bottom pairing defeseman


that we already have though...

it's the 3-4 spot that's open.
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+2 #45 Floridasensfan 2013-01-14 19:52
Funny you listen to Melnyk it sounds like they are prepared to do whatever to fill the holes in Defense and he said BM will address the holes next day, Next day BM kind of blows off picking up any players and sounds like we are going as is.

Said he has a couple of deals on hold in another breath

To answer who is going to be most improved this season, Kyle Turris is my guess.

I hope Latendresse blows us away with phenomenal play.
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0 #46 sprucesens 2013-01-14 20:10
taking hickey off of waivers is the smartest move. costs nothing, many people have seen that he has potential(taken 4th overall) but has had trouble cracking the LA roster, and trouble on the farm. Murray likes low risk high reward scenarios. Why not pick him off waivers, give him a shot this year. Have him and whoever stays up with the big club battle it out with each other for the last spot. EX

Methot - Karlsson
Gonchar - Hickey/Wiercioch
Phillips - Boro?

Is it great no, but it gives a possible stop gap, and we see what we have going forward. If we find that neither wiercioch or boro, or in that case, hickey, are cut for the NHL, then we know we need to work FOR SURE on trading and drafting more D. Its the only way to answer the questions on our bubble players. And the best way to ensure you get one that is good, is to have a bunch try out, and push each other on a daily basis. Go for it Murray!
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0 #47 bingo ringo 2013-01-14 23:06
Why not use Gryba. He will likey be a 20+ pt player again and more shutdown ability than Hickey. IMO he should be there this week.
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0 #48 111519 2013-01-14 23:19
Suck it Phaneuf
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0 #49 Bellsey 2013-01-15 00:09
As was mentioned before, I don't think anybody has to worry about Gonchar as it is a contract year for him. I am sure Murray will only force a move if he is absolutely not comfortable with the 5th and 6th D.

I actually believe Murray may keep all 3 goalies for the start of the season. I think you will see Lehner getting the first few starts (believe it must be under 5 in this shortened season before year is burnt). Once those 5 games are over, he will be sent back down for the remainder of the season. After the season (depending how we do), One of Bishop or Anderson will be traded to make room for Lehner. I know people will Sh1t on me for saying this but if Bishop plays well as a backup, I think we should trade off Anderson as we will get the most return from him.
Bishop and Lehner as 1a and 1b would be unreal. This coming from somebody who loves Anderson...no point keeping 3 goalies. (Age a factor as well). My 2 cents.
Loving our forward lines at the moment. Go sens Go
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0 #50 Ottawa Red Blacks ? 2013-01-15 00:46
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-2 #51 lbernier 2013-01-15 05:53
what do we lack on for depth? Defence so why would you not put a claim in for Hickey, it would be smart. Remember we are still rebuilding. I think Hickey could be a solid bottom pairing defenseman. He has been in the minors for a few years now, he has upside and can play the power play if needed. If we had to why not carry more defence as they are going to get wore down the fastest in this season.

Methot-Karlsson
Gonchar-Phillips
Hickey-Werichoich
Borocop-Lundin

Send Benoit back to the minors not sure if he has to pass though waivers but I think he would clear

Hickey cant get into the Kings line-up he needs to be on a team that gives him a chance. So picking him up would be a great move, but I am afraid that Edmonton will probably claim him anyways so we probably dont have a shot at him but you never know.

Murray said we would carry 2 extra defeseman, and a forward probably. I doubt he keeps 3 goalies up. If Murray said we lack on defence depth and did not put a claim on Hickey then he would be a fool IMO.
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+1 #52 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2013-01-15 07:26
Quoting Bellsey:

I actually believe Murray may keep all 3 goalies for the start of the season. I think you will see Lehner getting the first few starts (believe it must be under 5 in this shortened season before year is burnt). Once those 5 games are over, he will be sent back down for the remainder of the season. After the season (depending how we do), One of Bishop or Anderson will be traded to make room for Lehner. I know people will Sh1t on me for saying this but if Bishop plays well as a backup, I think we should trade off Anderson as we will get the most return from him.
Bishop and Lehner as 1a and 1b would be unreal. This coming from somebody who loves Anderson...no point keeping 3 goalies. (Age a factor as well). My 2 cents.
Loving our forward lines at the moment. Go sens Go



I am still undecided about our goalie situation. I'm still in love with having the best 3 goalies in the league but understand something has to give, especially if Lehner is the best goalie in the minds of PM and BM.

Just wanted to clarify something; that rule about about a max of 5 games before a year is burnt applies to junior players only, not ahlers. Lehner is burning a year off his contract regardless.

The ony thing that's a factor, contract wise, is that Lehner is the only one of the three that has a two-way contract and therefore doesn't need to clear waivers if sent to bingo. So if Lehner stays in the NHL to start, it would mean we'll have 3 goalies for a while. If he plays so good that Murray just cant send him down...that's when you'll see a trade with one of our goalies.

While I love Anderson, I believe if Lehner proves he's a starter, I say keep both young guys. Look how LA has done with a combo like that
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-1 #53 LinguoTheGrammarRobo 2013-01-15 08:46
Quoting Ottawa Red Blacks ?:
shudder


Awful, simply awful.
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-1 #54 The Apostle 2013-01-15 08:50
Quoting Ottawa Red Blacks ?:
shudder


Let's appease Little Italy

The Ottawa Rossoneri
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-1 #55 miguel 2013-01-15 09:05
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting Ottawa Red Blacks ?:
shudder


Let's appease Little Italy

The Ottawa Rossoneri


Bravo Apostle, molto bene :)
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+2 #56 miguel 2013-01-15 09:07
why would we give this Hickey a shot, but not our own home grown Gyrba?
This kid it can be argued is one of he best we have down in the farm, and this is coming from some of the Bingo regulars.
He is big, mean and can skate... Phillips 10 years ago... No?
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0 #57 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-15 09:19
Quoting miguel:
why would we give this Hickey a shot, but not our own home grown Gyrba?
This kid it can be argued is one of he best we have down in the farm, and this is coming from some of the Bingo regulars.
He is big, mean and can skate... Phillips 10 years ago... No?


I had suggested Hickey yesterday and the way I looked at it, he would be a filler position. Like a test run, god knows we could use an extra NHL ready body if an injury should happen, that won't fully deplete our boys in Bingo.

But on the flip side, I had also said from the beginning, that Gryba should have been one of the guys invited to camp. I'm still upset that he didn't have that chance. I'd LOVE to see him here, but as someone else stated, he doesn't seem to get the love from BM that he deserves, for whatever reason.
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0 #58 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-15 09:46
Chirp, if you plan to run a pool this year, you may need to run 2 like last time. Would love to know in advance if you are, cause I'm in 100%. Just as long as a draft isn't tonight, as I'm away this evening. I'm home the rest of the week though.
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0 #59 miguel 2013-01-15 09:47
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Quoting miguel:
why would we give this Hickey a shot, but not our own home grown Gyrba?
This kid it can be argued is one of he best we have down in the farm, and this is coming from some of the Bingo regulars.
He is big, mean and can skate... Phillips 10 years ago... No?


I had suggested Hickey yesterday and the way I looked at it, he would be a filler position. Like a test run, god knows we could use an extra NHL ready body if an injury should happen, that won't fully deplete our boys in Bingo.

But on the flip side, I had also said from the beginning, that Gryba should have been one of the guys invited to camp. I'm still upset that he didn't have that chance. I'd LOVE to see him here, but as someone else stated, he doesn't seem to get the love from BM that he deserves, for whatever reason.


I have to completely agree with you here, BM for all his brilliance seems to continue to pigeon hole certain players, and once he has them there, it is almost impossible to move out of that position.
Perhaps Gyrba was a draft from the old regime, and you know that BM will take his own picks, Wieicioch and Boro first, but at some point Gyrba must be thinking his chance is due, if not here than somewhere where he can get a fair shake.
From what i have seen I love everything this kid brings, toughness, can skate and can shoot the puck.

As much as I like Boro, Gyrba being a couple years older may deserve this shot first... IMO only of course
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0 #60 SensChirp 2013-01-15 10:00
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Chirp, if you plan to run a pool this year, you may need to run 2 like last time. Would love to know in advance if you are, cause I'm in 100%. Just as long as a draft isn't tonight, as I'm away this evening. I'm home the rest of the week though.

Will be announcing the details tonight. Then it's going to be first come, first serve. If there is enough interest, I'll set up a second one.
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0 #61 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-15 10:03
Quoting miguel:


I have to completely agree with you here, BM for all his brilliance seems to continue to pigeon hole certain players, and once he has them there, it is almost impossible to move out of that position.
Perhaps Gyrba was a draft from the old regime, and you know that BM will take his own picks, Wieicioch and Boro first, but at some point Gyrba must be thinking his chance is due, if not here than somewhere where he can get a fair shake.
From what i have seen I love everything this kid brings, toughness, can skate and can shoot the puck.

As much as I like Boro, Gyrba being a couple years older may deserve this shot first... IMO only of course


Gryba was selected by the Ottawa Senators in the 3rd round (68th overall) of the 2006 NHL Entry Draft. Murray was promoted to general manager of the Senators on June 18, 2007, so the 2006 drafts were all before his time. Here is who Ottawa drafted in 2006.

1st round 28th Nick Foligno
3rd round 68th Eric Gryba
3rd round 91st Kaspars Daugavins
4th round 121st Pierre-Lu c Lessard
5th round 151st Ryan Daniels
6th round 181st Kevin Koopman
7th round 211th Erik Condra
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0 #62 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-15 10:04
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Chirp, if you plan to run a pool this year, you may need to run 2 like last time. Would love to know in advance if you are, cause I'm in 100%. Just as long as a draft isn't tonight, as I'm away this evening. I'm home the rest of the week though.

Will be announcing the details tonight. Then it's going to be first come, first serve. If there is enough interest, I'll set up a second one.


I knew that would happen, same thing happened last year, the one night I'm out of the house. arg!!
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0 #63 SensChirp 2013-01-15 10:05
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Chirp, if you plan to run a pool this year, you may need to run 2 like last time. Would love to know in advance if you are, cause I'm in 100%. Just as long as a draft isn't tonight, as I'm away this evening. I'm home the rest of the week though.

Will be announcing the details tonight. Then it's going to be first come, first serve. If there is enough interest, I'll set up a second one.


I knew that would happen, same thing happened last year, the one night I'm out of the house. arg!!

Send me an email and I'll hold a spot for you.
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0 #64 Sensnation 2013-01-15 11:29
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Chirp, if you plan to run a pool this year, you may need to run 2 like last time. Would love to know in advance if you are, cause I'm in 100%. Just as long as a draft isn't tonight, as I'm away this evening. I'm home the rest of the week though.

Will be announcing the details tonight. Then it's going to be first come, first serve. If there is enough interest, I'll set up a second one.


I'm definitely up for it!
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0 #65 chadillac 2013-01-15 11:53
I'll keep my eyes open for the details. I want in!
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0 #66 xDa_Ghost 2013-01-15 12:05
Ill b wanting in as well cant wait for saturday !
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-2 #67 Bob Mahovolich 2013-01-15 12:05
Quoting LinguoTheGrammarRobo:
Quoting Ottawa Red Blacks ?:
shudder


Awful, simply awful.


The Ottawa Red Blacks = the Ottawa Communist Negros ?
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+2 #68 RUSHRLZ 2013-01-15 12:17
There goes the Hickey idea, Islanders grabbed him, which is fine by me!
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+1 #69 WolfInSheepsClothes 2013-01-15 13:00
Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie
"NYR, NHL, NHLPA believed discussing scenario under which NYR could exercise compliant buyout on Redden now while retaining AHL cap hit."

As much as he is way past his prime, I'd love to see him in a SENS jersey again (in a diminished role). We could sign him to something tiny (like minimum Vet contract) for this season only, get him to his 1000 games.
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0 #70 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-15 13:12
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
There goes the Hickey idea, Islanders grabbed him, which is fine by me!


I think we all knew he'd be picked up. With Visnovsky fighting a return to the Island, using any means necessary, it makes sense they grab him. They need to fill the void he's going to leave in the top 6.
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0 #71 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-15 13:19
Further on the whole Visnovsky ordeal, It really pisses me off that he'd pull that move on the Islanders. They traded for him fair and square. I can understand the Island isn't the hottest destination in the NHL, but look at the team they are building. He could be part of a very up and coming squad and it won't be long till they relocate due to the arena location anyway, so why put up such a fight?

And it looks like the KHL is pushing back on him anyway, rejecting his KHL contract until this is all resolved. Good to see the KHL pushing aside and not getting in the way, letting the player deal with the NHL direct.
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0 #72 DenisVial 2013-01-15 13:42
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Further on the whole Visnovsky ordeal, It really pisses me off that he'd pull that move on the Islanders. They traded for him fair and square. I can understand the Island isn't the hottest destination in the NHL, but look at the team they are building. He could be part of a very up and coming squad and it won't be long till they relocate due to the arena location anyway, so why put up such a fight?

And it looks like the KHL is pushing back on him anyway, rejecting his KHL contract until this is all resolved. Good to see the KHL pushing aside and not getting in the way, letting the player deal with the NHL direct.
.

He waived his no trade clause to go to Anaheim and they interpreted it as his no trade is now void. His agent was contesting that it was a one time deal. I don't think the league has ruled on it yet.
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0 #73 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-15 13:45
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
There goes the Hickey idea, Islanders grabbed him, which is fine by me!


I think we all knew he'd be picked up. With Visnovsky fighting a return to the Island, using any means necessary, it makes sense they grab him. They need to fill the void he's going to leave in the top 6.


Saw a twitter update, not only did LA lose Hickey, they also lost Richard Clune to Nashville. I guess NSH is trying to bulk up on the wing, cause Clune can battle. That is a great snag by Nashville.
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+1 #74 FBP 2013-01-15 13:49
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Further on the whole Visnovsky ordeal, It really pisses me off that he'd pull that move on the Islanders. They traded for him fair and square. I can understand the Island isn't the hottest destination in the NHL, but look at the team they are building. He could be part of a very up and coming squad and it won't be long till they relocate due to the arena location anyway, so why put up such a fight?

And it looks like the KHL is pushing back on him anyway, rejecting his KHL contract until this is all resolved. Good to see the KHL pushing aside and not getting in the way, letting the player deal with the NHL direct.
.

He waived his no trade clause to go to Anaheim and they interpreted it as his no trade is now void. His agent was contesting that it was a one time deal. I don't think the league has ruled on it yet.


They ruled. The NTC is void.
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-1 #75 Sensnation 2013-01-15 14:38
Finally got a chance to watch the full Melnyk interview. Is it just me, or is he oblivious to the fact this is already the 3rd lockout?
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0 #76 WolfInSheepsClothes 2013-01-15 15:13
Apparently the compliance buyout deal can be used now (but the cap hit remains for this season against the team). This, obviously, would only be something in good faith on the part of the owners to allow the player to try and play somewhere else.

That said, if Redden is bought out now I say we give him a tryout and sign if he can still play to the benefit of the team. Why not? He used to be very good for us.
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+1 #77 RUSHRLZ 2013-01-15 15:32
@ian_mendes

Have it on good authority that the Senators do not have any intention of signing Wade Redden at this point -- despite his history here.
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0 #78 CarloswSPECR1 2013-01-15 15:46
There's nothing wrong with giving Redden a tryout. It's not costing the SENS anything. It's only a tryout. Redden had a good reputation in the community and if the SENS can accomodate Jason Smith to a "mentor" role, I don't see why we can't accomodate Redden to a try-out. It's ONLY a TRYOUT. It's Free and costs nothing.
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-2 #79 Tcharger 2013-01-15 15:52
Quoting CarloswSPECR1:
There's nothing wrong with giving Redden a tryout. It's not costing the SENS anything. It's only a tryout. Redden had a good reputation in the community and if the SENS can accomodate Jason Smith to a "mentor" role, I don't see why we can't accomodate Redden to a try-out. It's ONLY a TRYOUT. It's Free and costs nothing.




Lets bring Daigle, Yashin, Hasek in for a tryout while we are at it.
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0 #80 Shakey Walton 2013-01-15 15:55
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
@ian_mendes

Have it on good authority that the Senators do not have any intention of signing Wade Redden at this point -- despite his history here.


The correct decision - Redden's time has passed.
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+3 #81 Sandy 2013-01-15 16:00
Elliott Friedman canvassed several NHL teams and there are some teams interested in Redden.

For something like 600K.. he would be worth the gamble...
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+1 #82 Tcharger 2013-01-15 16:06
Quoting Sandy:
Elliott Friedman canvassed several NHL teams and there are some teams interested in Redden.

For something like 600K.. he would be worth the gamble...



I would rather let a kid take the space for the 600K
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+3 #83 WolfInSheepsClothes 2013-01-15 16:06
It would be extremely short-sighted if we didn't even give him a tryout. I don't understand why people are so unforgiving of Redden. Perhaps he just didn't work in Torts system?

Hell, we gave LeClaire numerous chances at redeeming himself. Why not a guy who did wonders for us in his time here?
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0 #84 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-15 16:08
Been waiting all day for a Chirp update post from training camp, but nothing. He was on a tear posting 2 updates a day, then this!! lol.

I heard a report saying MacLean mentioned after concentrating on skating drills in the opening two days of camp, the focus is more on banging and crashing today. And from what I've read online, there have been some good hits and all around action going on. And even more praise for Methot's work with EK on the ice.

Chirp, or anyone else who's attending, what's the good word?
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0 #85 WolfInSheepsClothes 2013-01-15 16:10
"Jason York ‏@jasonyork33
@Real_ESPNLeBrun People who say Redden can't play look no further than Kuba 2 years ago-dubbed horrible, now same experts call him reliable"

Completely agree.

Nothing wrong with being a "glass half full" kinda guy.
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-2 #86 boom 2013-01-15 16:11
Quoting AParadiseLost:
It would be extremely short-sighted if we didn't even give him a tryout. I don't understand why people are so unforgiving of Redden. Perhaps he just didn't work in Torts system?

Hell, we gave LeClaire numerous chances at redeeming himself. Why not a guy who did wonders for us in his time here?

Becauss it would send a discouraging message to all the D currently playing in Binghamton - that the Sens would rather have a re-tread then give that opportunity to any of them.
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0 #87 sens_fan_mtl1 2013-01-15 16:15
Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie
Told that Bost, Tor, Fla, Ott have expressed at least preliminary interest in Redden...

is this guy reliable or is he mentioning the sens because of his past
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0 #88 NorCalSens 2013-01-15 16:15
Quoting boom:
Quoting AParadiseLost:
It would be extremely short-sighted if we didn't even give him a tryout. I don't understand why people are so unforgiving of Redden. Perhaps he just didn't work in Torts system?

Hell, we gave LeClaire numerous chances at redeeming himself. Why not a guy who did wonders for us in his time here?

Becauss it would send a discouraging message to all the D currently playing in Binghamton - that the Sens would rather have a re-tread then give that opportunity to any of them.



THIS... This is bang on. People seem to forget that this team is all about development still. Our first priority is to give our young guys a chance to see if they perform at the NHL level. There is a reason that Murray hasn't gone out and signed or traded for anyone yet... They wanna see what the young guys are made of
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0 #89 NorCalSens 2013-01-15 16:16
Quoting sens_fan_mtl1:
Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie
Told that Bost, Tor, Fla, Ott have expressed at least preliminary interest in Redden...

is this guy reliable or is he mentioning the sens because of his past


This is Larry Brooks... The guy Torts is constantly battling with in pressers because he is full of shit.
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+1 #90 WolfInSheepsClothes 2013-01-15 16:16
Quoting boom:
Quoting AParadiseLost:
It would be extremely short-sighted if we didn't even give him a tryout. I don't understand why people are so unforgiving of Redden. Perhaps he just didn't work in Torts system?

Hell, we gave LeClaire numerous chances at redeeming himself. Why not a guy who did wonders for us in his time here?

Becauss it would send a discouraging message to all the D currently playing in Binghamton - that the Sens would rather have a re-tread then give that opportunity to any of them.


The owner, GM, and coach have all come out and said that we need veteran D depth. If the bingo guys can't outplay "a retread" then they don't deserve to play either.

In addition, we could sign him to a 2-way deal. So if he doesn't work out in Ottawa then he can help in Bingo.
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+1 #91 CarloswSPECR1 2013-01-15 16:17
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:

Lets bring Daigle, Yashin, Hasek in for a tryout while we are at it.


Daigle is signed over-seas. Not eligible to play in the NHL.
Hasek is retired, and he burned his bridge with the organization.
Yashin — Doesn't even make sense. He burned that bridge too. Ottawa owes him nothing.

If you're trying to be sarcastic, stop and think about what you're about to type. Start thinking about former players that actually makes sense to have a try-out with the SENS, or is eligible and not "over-the-hill. " Or at least had a good run with us.

Redden didn't burn a bridge. He stated that New York offered him money that's foolish to ignore. Hell, any player at that time would've signed to that contract. I don't hold it against Redden for signing that contract. Anyone, and I mean anyone with half a brain, would sign that $39-million for 6 years contract.
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0 #92 Tcharger 2013-01-15 16:21
Quoting CarloswSPECR1:
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:

Lets bring Daigle, Yashin, Hasek in for a tryout while we are at it.


Daigle is signed over-seas. Not eligible to play in the NHL.
Hasek is retired, and he burned his bridge with the organization.
Yashin — Doesn't even make sense. He burned that bridge too. Ottawa owes him nothing.

If you're trying to be sarcastic, stop and think about what you're about to type. Start thinking about former players that actually makes sense to have a try-out with the SENS, or is eligible and not "over-the-hill." Or at least had a good run with us.

Redden didn't burn a bridge. He stated that New York offered him money that's foolish to ignore. Hell, any player at that time would've signed to that contract. I don't hold it against Redden for signing that contract. Anyone, and I mean anyone with half a brain, would sign that $39-million for 6 years contract.



He didn't burn bridges???

Wasn't he asked to waive his no trade clause and refused? Sure, not nearly as bad as the others, but if that isn't indicative enough that a team no longer wants you(and I can't imagine a few years changed that)I don't know what is.
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0 #93 CarloswSPECR1 2013-01-15 16:24
Quoting AParadiseLost:

The owner, GM, and coach have all come out and said that we need veteran D depth. If the bingo guys can't outplay "a retread" then they don't deserve to play either.

In addition, we could sign him to a 2-way deal. So if he doesn't work out in Ottawa then he can help in Bingo.


A smart GM would leave no stone un-turned. And AParadiseLost is right, if our young guys can't out-play a "retread" then they're not NHL ready.

It's a no-risk, low-high reward for the SENS.
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0 #94 MethotToMyMadness 2013-01-15 16:25
Quoting NorCalSens:
Quoting boom:
Quoting AParadiseLost:
It would be extremely short-sighted if we didn't even give him a tryout. I don't understand why people are so unforgiving of Redden. Perhaps he just didn't work in Torts system?

Hell, we gave LeClaire numerous chances at redeeming himself. Why not a guy who did wonders for us in his time here?

Becauss it would send a discouraging message to all the D currently playing in Binghamton - that the Sens would rather have a re-tread then give that opportunity to any of them.



THIS... This is bang on. People seem to forget that this team is all about development still. Our first priority is to give our young guys a chance to see if they perform at the NHL level. There is a reason that Murray hasn't gone out and signed or traded for anyone yet... They wanna see what the young guys are made of


That and the fact that what other teams are asking is just too much at this time. It's already been reported.

“We keep talking, we’ve been talking to a variety of teams about what’s available, but it doesn’t sound promising,” Murray said Monday. “We’ll keep looking and talking.”

I liked Redden and the key word here is 'liked'. I think the comments about bringing Redden into the fold now, regardless of how little it costs, just strengthens the reports that we don't trust out young D enough to come up and compete.
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0 #95 NorCalSens 2013-01-15 16:25
Quoting CarloswSPECR1:
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:

Lets bring Daigle, Yashin, Hasek in for a tryout while we are at it.


Daigle is signed over-seas. Not eligible to play in the NHL.
Hasek is retired, and he burned his bridge with the organization.
Yashin — Doesn't even make sense. He burned that bridge too. Ottawa owes him nothing.

If you're trying to be sarcastic, stop and think about what you're about to type. Start thinking about former players that actually makes sense to have a try-out with the SENS, or is eligible and not "over-the-hill." Or at least had a good run with us.

Redden didn't burn a bridge. He stated that New York offered him money that's foolish to ignore. Hell, any player at that time would've signed to that contract. I don't hold it against Redden for signing that contract. Anyone, and I mean anyone with half a brain, would sign that $39-million for 6 years contract.



Dude... Keep in mind that Redden wasn't exactly dominating in the AHL (If he had anything left in the tank he should have)

Here is his line for the last 2 years:

2010-11 Hartford Wolf Pack/CT Whale GP G A PTS +/-
70 8 34 42 -1 (Respectable numbers for sure)

2011-12 Connecticut Whale GP G A PTS +/-
49 4 16 20 -8
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0 #96 St Nick 2013-01-15 16:30
I assume that both Ceci & Noesen will be sent back to junior before the team leaves for Winnipeg on Thursday. I wonder when they will send Lehner back to Bingo? Likely after they give him a game I guess. That will leave 23 players including Hoffman, he needs to produce quickly or he will find himself back in Bingo too. I imagine they will keep all three defencemen until Lundin comes back.
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0 #97 CarloswSPECR1 2013-01-15 16:30
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:


He didn't burn bridges???

Wasn't he asked to waive his no trade clause and refused? Sure, not nearly as bad as the others, but if that isn't indicative enough that a team no longer wants you(and I can't imagine a few years changed that)I don't know what is.



Having an NTC that was given to you by the team, and excercising that option does NOT BURN A BRIDGE.

If you were given a job to do paper work, and your job description and your contract states that you do paper work. And your boss all of a sudden tells you, "BTW, you need to pack your bags, and pack your family, and you need to go move to another city, and your job is going to change. You will not start jumping into a pile of pig-maneur, and shovel that all day," I think you would have a problem with that. And if you have a contract that states, that your supposed to do Paper work, and paper work only, I would use that as tell my boss (respectfully) that he (or she) has to find someone else to jump into that maneur, and shovel it all day.

It was an Organizational Right given to him by the SENS that if he does not want to be traded, then he can't be traded.

Again, stop and think about what you're going to say, before you type.
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0 #98 WolfInSheepsClothes 2013-01-15 16:31
Quoting NorCalSens:
Quoting CarloswSPECR1:
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:

Lets bring Daigle, Yashin, Hasek in for a tryout while we are at it.


Daigle is signed over-seas. Not eligible to play in the NHL.
Hasek is retired, and he burned his bridge with the organization.
Yashin — Doesn't even make sense. He burned that bridge too. Ottawa owes him nothing.

If you're trying to be sarcastic, stop and think about what you're about to type. Start thinking about former players that actually makes sense to have a try-out with the SENS, or is eligible and not "over-the-hill." Or at least had a good run with us.

Redden didn't burn a bridge. He stated that New York offered him money that's foolish to ignore. Hell, any player at that time would've signed to that contract. I don't hold it against Redden for signing that contract. Anyone, and I mean anyone with half a brain, would sign that $39-million for 6 years contract.



Dude... Keep in mind that Redden wasn't exactly dominating in the AHL (If he had anything left in the tank he should have)

Here is his line for the last 2 years:

2010-11 Hartford Wolf Pack/CT Whale GP G A PTS +/-
70 8 34 42 -1 (Respectable numbers for sure)

2011-12 Connecticut Whale GP G A PTS +/-
49 4 16 20 -8



2010-2011: He was 15th overall in scoring for D
2011-2012: He missed most of the season due to injury

Yeah, he wasn't stellar but he wasn't terrible either.

How would it in any way hurt the SENS to sign him to a 2-way deal? Let him try out a couple of games with Bingo and if we feel he can make a contribution, bring him up and play?
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+1 #99 CarloswSPECR1 2013-01-15 16:35
Quoting NorCalSens:

Dude... Keep in mind that Redden wasn't exactly dominating in the AHL (If he had anything left in the tank he should have)

Here is his line for the last 2 years:

2010-11 Hartford Wolf Pack/CT Whale GP G A PTS +/-
70 8 34 42 -1 (Respectable numbers for sure)

2011-12 Connecticut Whale GP G A PTS +/-
49 4 16 20 -8


Yes, but, we're not paying him a single $0.01 to come and TRYOUT for us.

Hell, if he shows that he's better than any of our Prospects (keep in mind, Defencemen takes longer to develop than forwards), I don't mind giving our defencemen more time to develop.

And if it's a "tell" to the young guys that "the organization has no faith in them" then you have a bad attitude.
Why not start thinking "I have to show the organization that I'm better than this 're-tread.' I'm going to work my ass off, and out-play everyone, and be better than everyone."

I see it more as a challenge to the young guys by bringing an un-signed older veteran into camp.
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+1 #100 NorCalSens 2013-01-15 16:36
Quoting AParadiseLost:



Dude... Keep in mind that Redden wasn't exactly dominating in the AHL (If he had anything left in the tank he should have)

Here is his line for the last 2 years:

2010-11 Hartford Wolf Pack/CT Whale GP G A PTS +/-
70 8 34 42 -1 (Respectable numbers for sure)

2011-12 Connecticut Whale GP G A PTS +/-
49 4 16 20 -8



2010-2011: He was 15th overall in scoring for D
2011-2012: He missed most of the season due to injury

Yeah, he wasn't stellar but he wasn't terrible either.

How would it in any way hurt the SENS to sign him to a 2-way deal? Let him try out a couple of games with Bingo and if we feel he can make a contribution, bring him up and play?


To give this a little further context.... In the year Redden put up 42 points, Benoit put up 53 for the BSens playing in the same league.
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0 #101 Sandy 2013-01-15 16:36
Quoting NorCalSens:
Quoting sens_fan_mtl1:
Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie
Told that Bost, Tor, Fla, Ott have expressed at least preliminary interest in Redden...

is this guy reliable or is he mentioning the sens because of his past


This is Larry Brooks... The guy Torts is constantly battling with in pressers because he is full of shit.



Nothing better than hearing a Torts & Brooksie argument. They have to be the best.

How great is it to talk hockey!!!!

Can hardly wait for season ticket holder event tomorrow night...
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0 #102 WolfInSheepsClothes 2013-01-15 16:41
Quoting NorCalSens:
Quoting AParadiseLost:



Dude... Keep in mind that Redden wasn't exactly dominating in the AHL (If he had anything left in the tank he should have)

Here is his line for the last 2 years:

2010-11 Hartford Wolf Pack/CT Whale GP G A PTS +/-
70 8 34 42 -1 (Respectable numbers for sure)

2011-12 Connecticut Whale GP G A PTS +/-
49 4 16 20 -8



2010-2011: He was 15th overall in scoring for D
2011-2012: He missed most of the season due to injury

Yeah, he wasn't stellar but he wasn't terrible either.

How would it in any way hurt the SENS to sign him to a 2-way deal? Let him try out a couple of games with Bingo and if we feel he can make a contribution, bring him up and play?



To give this a little further context.... In the year Redden put up 42 points, Benoit put up 53 for the BSens playing in the same league.

On a better team that won the Calder that year... Great comparison.
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+2 #103 Sandy 2013-01-15 16:43
I'm all for our young D playing... but look at the D right now... with the Cowen injury... it is pretty thin.

In a shortened season is it wise to have 2 rookies on D in the same game, during this intense season? Not saying they couldn't do the job.. but the pressure during the 48 game stretch will be intense.

The Sens have not replaced Kuba. Redden's offense could be just as good as Kuba's was... and Kuba wasn't exactly stellar on D either.

Signing Redden just for this year -- I'm sure he'd take close to minimum to prove himself... will not hurt the development of the young players.

If it works.. Gonchar will be gone.. Redden could stay.. and then move up Wiercioch & Bo or Benoit for next season.
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0 #104 boom 2013-01-15 16:44
Quoting AParadiseLost:
Quoting NorCalSens:
Quoting AParadiseLost:



Dude... Keep in mind that Redden wasn't exactly dominating in the AHL (If he had anything left in the tank he should have)

Here is his line for the last 2 years:

2010-11 Hartford Wolf Pack/CT Whale GP G A PTS +/-
70 8 34 42 -1 (Respectable numbers for sure)

2011-12 Connecticut Whale GP G A PTS +/-
49 4 16 20 -8



2010-2011: He was 15th overall in scoring for D
2011-2012: He missed most of the season due to injury

Yeah, he wasn't stellar but he wasn't terrible either.

How would it in any way hurt the SENS to sign him to a 2-way deal? Let him try out a couple of games with Bingo and if we feel he can make a contribution, bring him up and play?



To give this a little further context.... In the year Redden put up 42 points, Benoit put up 53 for the BSens playing in the same league.


On a better team that won the Calder that year... Great comparison.

And your best argument for bringing in Redden is "Yeah, he wasn't stellar but he wasn't terrible either"

Those who live in glass houses....
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0 #105 WolfInSheepsClothes 2013-01-15 16:50
Quoting boom:
Quoting AParadiseLost:
Quoting NorCalSens:
Quoting AParadiseLost:



Dude... Keep in mind that Redden wasn't exactly dominating in the AHL (If he had anything left in the tank he should have)

Here is his line for the last 2 years:

2010-11 Hartford Wolf Pack/CT Whale GP G A PTS +/-
70 8 34 42 -1 (Respectable numbers for sure)

2011-12 Connecticut Whale GP G A PTS +/-
49 4 16 20 -8



2010-2011: He was 15th overall in scoring for D
2011-2012: He missed most of the season due to injury

Yeah, he wasn't stellar but he wasn't terrible either.

How would it in any way hurt the SENS to sign him to a 2-way deal? Let him try out a couple of games with Bingo and if we feel he can make a contribution, bring him up and play?



To give this a little further context.... In the year Redden put up 42 points, Benoit put up 53 for the BSens playing in the same league.


On a better team that won the Calder that year... Great comparison.


And your best argument for bringing in Redden is "Yeah, he wasn't stellar but he wasn't terrible either"

Those who live in glass houses....

You're absolutely correct. That is the only positive thing I said about him.
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0 #106 NorCalSens 2013-01-15 17:03
Quoting AParadiseLost:
Quoting boom:
Quoting AParadiseLost:
Quoting NorCalSens:
Quoting AParadiseLost:



Dude... Keep in mind that Redden wasn't exactly dominating in the AHL (If he had anything left in the tank he should have)

Here is his line for the last 2 years:

2010-11 Hartford Wolf Pack/CT Whale GP G A PTS +/-
70 8 34 42 -1 (Respectable numbers for sure)

2011-12 Connecticut Whale GP G A PTS +/-
49 4 16 20 -8



2010-2011: He was 15th overall in scoring for D
2011-2012: He missed most of the season due to injury

Yeah, he wasn't stellar but he wasn't terrible either.

How would it in any way hurt the SENS to sign him to a 2-way deal? Let him try out a couple of games with Bingo and if we feel he can make a contribution, bring him up and play?



To give this a little further context.... In the year Redden put up 42 points, Benoit put up 53 for the BSens playing in the same league.


On a better team that won the Calder that year... Great comparison.


And your best argument for bringing in Redden is "Yeah, he wasn't stellar but he wasn't terrible either"

Those who live in glass houses....


You're absolutely correct. That is the only positive thing I said about him.

The team Redden played on that year was a whole 4 points behind Bingo in the regular season...
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0 #107 AllStarAlfie 2013-01-15 17:05
The only reason I would want redden is so he can reach 1000 NHL games. Other than that I say let the kids play but I wouldn't object if its a 2way contract
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-1 #108 NorCalSens 2013-01-15 17:06
I'm not saying comparing the 2 Dmen is totally fair, but saying he got fewer points because he was on a crappy team is both incorrect and irrelevant... If he was an NHL caliber offensive Dman, he'd be putting up big numbers in the A. HE's completely ineffective as a defensive Dman so he's useless to us...

No matter anyways... There is no way he's signed to a tryout by Ottawa
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+1 #109 Sandy 2013-01-15 17:22
Well apparently Boston is considering bringing him in. Chiarelli & Chara connections.

I get why Murray is maybe not considering it... but a tryout would not hurt
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+1 #110 HKYcountry 2013-01-15 17:22
Whether it is Redden or someone else....Murray has to make some sort of transaction soon...because as it stands the Sens are 2 to 3 million below the salary floor
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0 #111 SNOOPY SENIOR 2013-01-15 17:46
As much as we all liked Wade Redden, when he joined the Ottawa Senators, and since he was an All Star for most of his years,
after his mother passed away, he was never the same player.

To me he would be taking a roster spot away from a prospect or rookie, and would not be much of an asset to the team!
I would much rather see one of Wiercioch, Gryba or Borowieki
graduate from Binghamton !!

Just look how well Jared Cowen matured to be a top 4 defenceman !
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0 #112 Doofus 2013-01-15 18:00
I'm pretty sure Redden has no motivation to do well in the AHL. If he was given a chance to join the NHL again he would be a useful defensive defencement.

I'd give him a shot.
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0 #113 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2013-01-15 21:57
Redden absolutely did burn the bridge in Ottawa!

He is the main reason we had a cocaine problem on our team. HE started it!

This guy has put millions of dollars up his nose. Then his unreal agent somehow got him a massive deal which was followed by a few years of crap play. How do you think he's been feeling in the AHL?? My guess is he's been snorting more white stuff than ever while on those depressing 10 hour bus rides.

HELL NO to Redden!!
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0 #114 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2013-01-15 21:59
Quoting HKYcountry:
Whether it is Redden or someone else....Murray has to make some sort of transaction soon...because as it stands the Sens are 2 to 3 million below the salary floor



Isn't the cap floor somewhere around 44 million for the next 2 years? We've already spent 50
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0 #115 bingo ringo 2013-01-15 23:29
Quoting boom:
Quoting AParadiseLost:
It would be extremely short-sighted if we didn't even give him a tryout. I don't understand why people are so unforgiving of Redden. Perhaps he just didn't work in Torts system?

Hell, we gave LeClaire numerous chances at redeeming himself. Why not a guy who did wonders for us in his time here?

Becauss it would send a discouraging message to all the D currently playing in Binghamton - that the Sens would rather have a re-tread then give that opportunity to any of them.



Like Gryba hasn't been shit on already. The guy should retire and go get a job for the same money he makes the AHL. Just tell BM "I've has enough of your favouritism and Im getting a real job where I have a chance for advancement go find another guy for the same money." Problem is they love hockey so they will keep getting shit on. So he will continue to get dumped on while Murrays picks(goalie coaches son in law) get the opportunity.
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0 #116 bingo ringo 2013-01-15 23:32
Im assuming Gryba has an agent..should pay him in monopoly money. Im no agent but whomever it is must have 0 influence.
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