With a little over two weeks to go until the NHL’s Collective Bargaining Agreement expires, there has been little in the way of progress in negotiations.
Both sides will meet again today in New York but by now we know where they stand. The Owners want to lower the share of hockey related revenue going to the players, meanwhile the NHLPA feels as though they made concessions in the last CBA talks and are looking to hold their ground this time around.
You all know the reality of the situation by now. League Commissioner Gary Bettman has said that if there is no new CBA in place by September 15th, the players will be locked out. All around North America, buildings that are usually full of activity this time of year, will go silent.
For the die hard fans in Ottawa, the loss will be significant. Trips down to Scotiabank Place to see the city’s heroes in action won’t happen, HD televisions will scan the dial for something other than Sens hockey at seven o’clock, and jerseys will hang in closets and on walls, waiting for the return of the game we love.
But there’s an element to this lockout that isn’t being talked about.
More than the penny pinching owners, the money-hungry players, and the passionate home-team supporters, there is another significant group that feels the sting of the lockout. And perhaps it’s a group that will be hit harder than any other.
It’s the people that rely on the NHL for their livelihoods.
It’s the people selling you your season tickets. It’s the Game Day staff that make SBP “go” on game nights. The people selling you a beer (or several) at the game, the red-coated ushers showing you to your seat. These are real people, with real bills to pay, and real families that are left in limbo during a lockout.
Down at Scotiabank Place, the impact of a potential lockout is already being felt. According to people I have spoken with, an undisclosed but apparently significant amount of staff will be temporarily laid off while additional employees will be placed on a reduced work schedule. That includes people in the sales office as well as the game day staff that would usually work during the season.
A comment from an individual that relies on the NHL but has already felt the impact of the looming lockout;
"It's just a shame, because we're all fans too. We love this game, but if there's no hockey we don't just lose our beloved game - we lose our jobs - our livelihood. That's why we have to remain optimistic as much as we can"
More than just those who work directly for NHL teams, the impact will also be felt by local restaurants that rely on Game Day traffic. Not just the people that run those establishments but also the waiters and servers working in them. This reality certainly won’t be unique to Ottawa either as 29 other teams will find themselves in the same situation.
So as you hear both the players and owners clamor for a larger percentage of hockey related revenues, try to think about the everyday people that could soon be receiving zero percent of their usual income.
For the sake of those that rely on the NHL to make a living, here’s hoping there can be a resolution in the not too distant future.
But hopefully they won't have to worry about it. While there is still plenty of work to do, you have to think that yesterday's revised offer from the NHL is a strong starting point.
The NHLPA isn't going to flat out accept it, but it's hard to imagine they are so far apart they are both willing to lose a season over it.
Hell I just got a management position within hospitality there...like literally within the last 48 hours.
If people rely on there as their primary income they could be in trouble....but the majority of positions are really not support your family positions....Al l that being said, even losing supplementary income for people does suck.
Just wish they would cut the BS and essentially meet in the middle and if need be just make it yet another short term deal.
People who work in the finance department for instance, the accountants, the HR people all of those are impacted. To say that in most cases it's only people who utilise income from the Senators as supplemental is completely off base.
Notices went out to staff whose positions would be lost during the lock out a number of weeks ago saying their contracts will be terminated on September 15th.
The Senators finance division were working on an operating budget for a lock-out season months ago and part of that was identifying which positions would be terminated. It must suck to be working on a budget which actually cuts your own job from under your feet.
Two friends of mine who worked in the financial department both left because they knew that come September 15th they would be unemployed.
http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=640639
No details provided in terms of salary or cap.
Awesome news...hope the details come out soon.
Tcharger, change your name man. Haven't we been over this?
Hey man...my name is open for interpretation. ..It says nothing wrong, I could be the strongest supporter of a BS group.
my interpretation is that your name makes you look like a petty minded moron.
How will I sleep?
Rick Nash.
Great for Turris, great for the Sens.
regarding the jobs / layoffs etc - the 67's will be using pre-existing 67's staff primarily - unless you think Jeff Hunt is going to double down on the staff, just because he's got labour costs to just go out and burn away...
The fact is that, if you accumulate all of the 7 teams in Canada, quite a lot of income is being lost by the people who rely on the 7 CDN teams for salary and revenue. Think about it - at LEAST 1000 people work at each of the home games, in each of the 7 CDN cities. That's 7000+ people. Then you've got the many bars, restaurants, bus/coach companies, F&B providers, alcohol distribution companies etc.
There is A LOT of lost revenue/income for A LOT of people.
Good article Chirp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv_RN7pd2uo
I think at the end of this year he will be worth much much more than 3.5. Brilliant move to lock him up now
I think this guy has potential to be pretty close to a point per game 2nd line centre. Especially with the talent we have coming up to play on his wings.
Most teams that have a legit 2nd line centre pay somewhere around 5 million and the 3rd line centre on goof teams make around 3.5.
Can our team's future look any better??
Gives me shivers every time!! What a friggen beauty!
Amazing how far we have come in such a short period.
Nice drop pass by O'Brien too. One of my favourite SENS moments
He's basically Mike Fisher 2.0 at around the same money we paid fisher before we traded him for a pick.
Not too enthusiastic about this one...3.5 isn't TOO bad but five years of Turris is a lot, especially with Zibanejad and others pushing behind him. Murray is still far too generous for his own good.
In my opininion it actually seems more than reasonable. To be honest I was a little surprised when I first read it.
There's a salary roll back for the first 3 years and then on the following 3 years there would be an even 50/50 split on revenues.
That to me is actually fairly genereous on the nhl's part. I don't see the PA accepting it but if they can scratch off a few more points I think we'll have a deal. And betmann did say this proposal was made in such a way to get both parties on the same page so that legit negotiations can start to take place. That to me is very good news as he is obviously full willing to come down from this offer. It wad more just a realistic starting point.
I think now that there's a real offer on the table there is actually still plenty of time to hammer out a deal
Apparently Glenn Healy will not return to Hockey Night in Canada! Now how am I supposed to work with a raging hard-... urgh disregard.
Scott @Wham_City
*an entire nation simultaneously high-fives* RT @NationTML Glenn Healy and Mike Milbury will not return to HNIC this upcoming season.
Turris is not anything like Fisher.
He's waayy more offensive minded. Doesn't play anywhere near the same style. He's a pure 2nd line centre. Fisher was more of a elite 3rd liner as he is perfect for PK but when needed can play PP. And 3.5 is susubtantially less than 4.5. Especially when you consider the upside turris still has. He has a ridiculously high ceiling.
On a shitty team who doesn't have a 1st line guy like spezza, turris would be their future 1st liner. Fisher was never that kind of guy
Then Healey and Milbury get the boot...
When am I going to wake up? AWESOME
Shows how excited he was to be somewhere he wanted to be I guess.
Saw the picture of Turris signing dudes in beast mode looks alot bigger good sign
This guy is stoked to be a Senator and I love his attitude!
Wah wah wah where will zibanejad play?
Who cares! Pair him up with Karlsson, or throw him on the wing
2nd line C position is filled
It could be but I think karlsson will be the greatest signing especially at the price for him.
Fisher is a north/ south hard nosed two way player ideally suited for 3rd line ctr
Turris is a creative playmaker that plays a finesse game, not sure where the similarities are other than they both play center and they both make considerably more than me
Glenn Healey has been fired ?????
YEEEEE-HAW !
Maybe Jerkoff Jim Jerome can get him a job at the local McDonalds
Who?!
Oh yaaaa... that guy we handsomely overpaid...
Nahhhh I'm just kidding
Glad to see Ottawa getting back to its grass roots hometown discount signings.
You wanna play here, don't be a jerk about salary
Still confused as to why we ever wanted that Nash contract
Yaaa really think these fisher comparisons are stupid and off base. They don't play the same game at all. Not even close. And Turris' offensive ceiling as a play maker is wayyyyy higher than Fishers. He actually has chemistry with somebody. Something mike Fisher never had
First Erik, now this?
Good on ya sir!
Love that he's building a core of guys who want to be Ottawa Senators.
Now all we need is a season...
Leafs encourage fans to watch paint dry. Some other funny suggestions for TV shows for leaf fans as well.
http://www.thecheapseats.ca/2012/08/toronto-maple-leafs-ask-fans-to-watch-paint-dry-live.html
http://www.prosportsblogging.com/2012/08/29/could-lockout-be-good-for-binghamton-senators-another-calder-cup/
I thought only players on an ELC or 2-way contract could play in the AHL if there was a lock-out. Is that correct?
SEL has released a statement that they will not accept NHL players for a partial season. They will only allow players come over to play in the SEL if they commit to the entire season
So if the lockout ends in December, the players that went to play in the SEL would not be able to come back... one way or the other, they would need to break a contract
Interesting.... .. Thoughts???
Many people here were saying that a lockout or shortened season would help our prospects develop stress free for a while. While I agree this is the case for many I see it being a major defecit to some guys like Turris and Cowen.
Yes Cowen can play in Bingo but he's already been there and proved he should be with the big boys. To go back down and play with lesser competition would only hurt his development. He is at the stage where he needs as much ice time as possible against the best possible players. He needs to get used to be able to shut down superstars as well as prove he's capable of being Karlsson's partner eventually.
Turris yes played great with us but is also still adgusting to being a consistent scoring threat. Last year I think he struggled at the beginning. Took him about 15 games to get used to the speed of the game as well as a new system. I thought at first he was still in the mindset of always being in a good defensive postition. While that's somewhat a good thing, he needs to be thinking offense first. He eventually did get in to that mind frame and developed serious quemistry with Alfie. I think a full training camp would allow him to be successful right off the bat. I see no reason he couldn't score at least 50 points if the season starts on time.
I really think we just locked up a future star
So 4 of their top 6 forwards will be looking for new contracts, that the bruins may not be able to give out to all of them considering they have the highest salary in the league atm (about $68 million).
With Rask expected to carry most of the starts for the season since he has an unproven backup maybe there is a deal to be had for one of those forwards?
Something like:
OTT: Bishop and a 2014 1st round pick for
BOS:Marchand
Thoughts?
That cap hit includes Tim Thomas, who they won't have to count, Marc Savard who's career may be over and Horton who may or may not be ready for the regular season. I'm not sure they're in desperate need of relief unless the cap ceiling comes down with the CBA.
I think there is an opportunity to get one of them. I hate Marchand though, probably because he is so effective in many areas including pesting around. I would prefer lucic or seguin but they would never give up seguin. Have to remember Timmy T though not being around.
and @SensChops: That's why I put Marchand haha I was trying to be realistic, they would never part with Seguin, and Lucic was born to be a Bruin.
I think Marchand is one of those players you actually like on your team but everybody else in the league and their fans hate the guy. Lots of other fans hate Neiler but we love him. They would take him for their team if they could though.
Edit: not the neil part haha just the everyone hates him except for his team and fans
Did you not see the praise neiler got from fans of other teams when he signed that extention? TSN comments were lighting up with way more praise than I expected. Majority of people were saying they would love him on their team. That is the impression I got anyway.
Please note: I am not comparing Neil to Marchand skillwise...
Ah ok, ya, I think they will be ok, but if that Cap comes down Marchand would be a very nice addition and may even allow us to revisit that Zach Smith for Hjalmarsson trade idea.
I agree, I don't see them ever parting with Seguin or Lucic and Horton has too many injury problems.
The Owners/Players finished for today. PA planning a response to Owners offer.
Effectively goes from 43% in first offer to 46% of revenue...
Players want to see the financial numbers of the individual teams.. not the league as a whole.
Is there anything else they can do to delay the process?
Glad to see Healey done and done...
Still cant believe Healy and Milbury even had jobs they were so terrible, especially Milbury, he seriously got dropped on his head as a child.
Exactly what I suspected, the league is playing games. They're claiming percentages based on a smaller definition of HRR then what the Players agree with. Fehr's saying it equates to 46% of what they deem HRR to be, not 50%. Bettman continues to be a big loser in the PR department!
I realize the players ARE the nhl however they are very well compensated with guaranteed contracts PLUS perfrmance bonuses.
I see no reason they should get 50% of revenues. The owners own the business and should get 100% of it. No matter if its hockey related or otherwise.
Its no wonder proffesional teams struggle to make a profit when they have to pay their players millions and on top of that give them 50% of their revenues.
I just never understood that concept
I agree with this and the players are lucky to have guaranteed contracts as in soccer you can get paid per game. Imagine how that would go in the NHL especially for a guy like regin.
That's why players signing these 13 year contracts is mind boggling. They just guaranteed their salaries for the rest of their career. All they have to do is show up.
NBA has guaranteed contracts but also have a max salary and term
NHL players have it very good
Congrats on maybe the dumbest post in SensChirp history, gauging by 16 thumbs down at least! Hahha. ;)
Next big news we need is a deal being signed for the CBA shocking everyone that there is no lockout and hockey starts on time.
both side need to get off their ass and get it done already.
GITRDONE like the rednecks around here would say.
Sorry FLA guy, Rednecks and hockey fans just dont go together like those other "american" sports, rednecks are americans not canadians.
Awesome write up on our prospects, forgot how stacked we are in prospects.
@bigern10: so 12 goals is 3.5 mill these days jeaaaasous
I was very tempted to reply
"Imagine all the blow you could have bought."
But my morals(yeah yeah...I have a bit) stopped me.
My theory is he finished reading that book right before the 2009 draft when we got cowen
I think with the quote by BM, Turris may be moved to the first line wing with Spezza and MM should Zibby overacheive this season or next. Might be a ood move to secure that top-6 position we are ooking for, perhpas an all swede line 2, Alfie, Zibby and Silfverberg?
Now Turris will be able to hit the ice next season without the distraction of signing a new contract. He'll know that management and the coaching staff have all the confidence in the world in him and that he's expecting to be a major part of this team for years to come.
I do really like the deal...But looking at it as a what have you done for me so far it is overpayment, and people saying so aren't wrong. I think by the end of this season people will be saying it is a steal though.
For sure they aren't wrong. When I first saw the deal I was honestly very surprised. I wasn't just surprised that Murray gave him a 5 year contract already, but I was kind of shocked that Turris himself wanted this deal.
There's a possibility that Turris is worth more than 3.5 mill after this season and every year of that new contract.
I think that IS what surprised people most. Considering he's only had a year to show what can he can do here, and not a full year at that, has people wondering. But, signing a 5 year shows commitment by the Sens. Sure, we could have signed him to 2 years, but giving that extra term probably allowed for a smaller contract value overall which is a win in both directions.
He likes the organization, the city and his teammates..
What is refreshing is that a Cdn hockey player wants to play for a Cdn franchise. Something that is refreshing indeed.
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If there's no CBA in place, the current waiver rules would not be enforceable until there's a new agreement reached between the NHL and NHLPA. So it wouldn't be a question of whether the post-entry-leve l contract players would have to pass through waivers.
Something that WILL remain in place, though, is the AHL's development rule. The rule states:
Of the 18 skaters (not counting two goaltenders) that teams may dress for a regular-season game, at least 13 must be qualified as "development players." Of those 13, 12 must have played in 260 or fewer professional games (including AHL, NHL, IHL and European elite leagues), and one must have played in 320 or fewer professional games. All calculations for development status are based on regular-season totals as of the start of the season.
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Then why are the posting for jobs as the "Sens Squad" on FB?
Strange indeed...
possibly because 55 year old accountants called Derek make for shitty cheerleaders
But the issue is.. there is a real good chance there is no season. Why bother hiring only to layoff?
Seems they are not in much of a hurry.
If its a concern for the person being hired don't take the job.
There is a separation between employees that are required to support the Ottawa Senators on Game Day and those that are required to support the business of the organisation.
Some game day staff could also help out for the 67s I imagine but things like cheerleader squads etc require training and will be on short term contracts that won't necessarily start the day after hiring.
From what we heard last season from a security officer.. 67's are using Sens security. I think the concessions are the ones from SBP.. not Lansdowne..
I hope in the event of a lockout a lot of fans go and support the 67's...
A) I love the Turris deal and think it will be a steal. I am of course really excited to see some of our prospects etc but Turris is someone I am very excited to see this year (provided there is one)
B) Also wanted to point out that it is not just a loss of jobs but there is a lot of Money some local charities counted on during the season from 50/50 sales etc. Children At Risk (I have been a member for years) is one of them that sends many volunteers to the games to sell 50/50 tickets and without that money, the amount of services for Autistic children will get cut etc. and I am sure there are others.... When you think of the big picture, this lockout has a major impact locally
she searches ottawa senators
and up pops done deal jason spezza traded for bobby ryan...
why does twitter allow douchebags to use a handle of a professional sports team..
get real.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=29181
Tuesday, November 6 Ottawa Senators at New York Rangers 7:30pm/4:30pm TSN
Wednesday, November 14 Boston Bruins at Ottawa Senators 7pm/4pm TSN
Wednesday, December 19 Montreal Canadiens at Ottawa Senators 7pm/4pm TSN
Wednesday, December 26 Ottawa Senators at Boston Bruins 7pm/4pm TSN
Wednesday, January 9 Ottawa Senators at Washington Capitals 7pm/4pm TSN
Wednesday, February 27 Ottawa Senators at Chicago Blackhawks 7:30pm/4:30pm TSN
Friday, March 8 Ottawa Senators at New York Rangers 7pm/4pm TSN
Wednesday, March 13 Ottawa Senators at Montreal Canadiens 7pm/4pm TSN
Thursday, April 11 Ottawa Senators at Philadelphia Flyers 7:30pm/4:30pm TSN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2-v5P0u0-o&feature=related
Great for him!
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EFw5YTHbo4M/UD_S-I9X79I/AAAAAAAAGmQ/buJDmZptw6k/s1600/KyleTurrisEngagedSensTownBlog.png
I was so blinded by 11's radiance, Erik K was probably also in his entourage and I missed him altogether.