That's the date when the current CBA expires and the Owners are expected to lockout the players and bring all the positive momentum and optimism surrounding the NHL to a screeching halt. With that date rapidly approaching, there has been little in the way of good news to report from negotiations.
On Tuesday in New York, Gary Bettman and Bill Daly will sit down with Donald and Steve Fehr to see if they can finally push these talks in the right direction.
To date, there has been a whole lot of time wasting between the two sides but with just four representatives in the room, you would think they could finally get down to the actual negotiation.
Here's hoping there is some good news to report after tomorrow's meeting.
- A few people have sent in emails and comments asking about Bobby Ryan. I can tell you that right now, all has gone quiet on that front. The Sens were interested in the Ducks winger but as I've indicated on a couple of occasions, found that the asking price was far too high for their liking. As it stands right now, the Sens will be counting on one of the young players to step up and grab the opening on the top line with Spezza and Michalek. Silfverberg, Zibanejad and Stone will all have a shot, while Colin Greening- who spent a lot of time on the top line last season- will also have an opportunity.
- Corey Pronman of Hockey Prospectus has released his rankings for the Ottawa Senators and has ranked Mika Zibanejad as the top player in the system. The recently signed Cody Ceci comes in at 2nd while Jakob Silfverberg rounds out the top three. You can check out the full rankings here.
Prospect tournament has already been cancelled. Start of training camp obviously on hold unless a new CBA can be agreed on.
Things will pick up steam once that happens,
Sad face.... :-(
With less than 3 weeks ( 18 days ), remaining to agree on
a new CBA, today's meeting in New York, with the "Little
Napoleon" and the "Fear Monger", should focus on Hockey Related Revenue, and end this posturing sideshow!
There is an old saying " Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely"
Since last lockout in 2004, revenues were $2.1 Billion,and
have climbed more than 50% to $3.3 Billion.
If the 2012-2013 season is lost, the parties will see the revenue drop by more than 50%.
The NHL and NHLPA , must compromise soon to save hockey,
and today August 28, is the day they need to fastrack a
Reasonable and Fair CBA Agreement !!
Sanity must win over greed !!
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
No, it's not you. It doesn't work.
okay good..didn't think I was having that bad of a day lol..thanks niko.
Yer both nuts! It works fine. :)
dang..then someone slipped something in my coffee..I haven't been able to click on it..and even tried to copy link..nothing. let me try internet exploder.
works fine for me in exploder..but not FF.
Have Internet Explorer 7, and tried to open 3 times
DOES NOT WORK !!
chirp is yanking your chain, he just fixed it, reload the page.
Also got my tickets last night, was a little disappointed the rewards card was made of paper rather than plastic like last year's.
As per the CBA, I believe today will be the deciding day whether there will be a lockout or not. If they walk away with no progress - we're screwed. If they can hammer through some of the key elements, it shows some promise.
Haha yea it should be fixed now.
ah chirp..don't play with my head this morning..been stuck in idle all day..gonna be a long day at work lol.
I wanted to make a Mark Messier Lays chip commercial reference about Yanking my chain, but i couldn't find a video for it. :)
So, you're an expert?
Chirp why even post that link? THAT SHIT IS WAK, prospects ranking is messed up, its like the guy pulled names out of a hat. Bad link, no need to post such nonsense
Although by that point of the article there wasn't a huge amount left anyway.
Silfverberg
Lehner
Zibanejad
Stone
Hoffman
Noeson
Borocop
Dacosta
Peterson
Ceci
Weircroitch
Prince
Gryba
Kramer
Peumpel
What are you basing these on?
Skill, size, experience, toughness, durability, nhl readiness.
My own ranking from watching them play. If stone's skating has improved further over the summer into training camp i would put him ahead of zibanejad.
Agreed, if stone improved his skating a bit, then he is ahead of ZBad.
I would put Lehner first though.
Of all the payers there, he plays the most important position in hockey and is regarded as one of the best goaltending prospects in the league...Star written all over him...
I hope he can break the Ottawa Goalie graveyard curse...
If we didn't have andy i would roll with lehner as our starter. I do think lehner should be our nhl backup and could learn lots from andy, more than what he could learn in the ahl. The ahl will provide him with playing time which is outweighing the decision from having him sit on the bench.
So at lest every four years we might have some other hockey to look forward to for that season.
So far, I've seen 3 prospect lists from SCOUTS and all of them have Zibanejad first on their list and have him slated as a potential "average to very good" first liner...
But I have not yet seen the EXPERTS on this site give him him the first slot, and have him as a bottom 6 forward as his upside.
Hahaha I'm just glad Brian Murray's not part of this community and only take advice from his own scouts :)
Dont know why Ceci is so low on your list, guy is the real deal. I would be surprised if he plays more that half a season in the AHL next year before being NHL rdy.
Your list is good and people can only nit pick some positions. I would have it like this.
Silfverberg
Borocop
Lehner
Noesen
Stone
Ceci
Hoffman
Zibanejad
Dacosta
Peterson
Wiercioch
Prince
Gryba
Kramer
Peumpel
Care to share those reports...
Zibanejad is a power forward, possibly an elite power forward, but i would rank a pure goal scorer ahead of a power forward... after all this game is about scoring to win.
Really the only way to have a lot of superstar prospects is to be shitty for many years in order to get a handful of top 5 picks.
I think despite being shitty for only 1 year its extremely impressive to have so many players that are projected to be top 6 forwards or top 4 D. Never mind having a potential star goalie waiting for some action.
Many people were against certain signings such as Regin, Latandresse and Lundin. I think those 1 year fillers were a must when you have so many prospects on the verge of needing nhl time. And to only pay around 1 mil for players that are more than capable of eating susbtantial minutes is very impressive on our gm's part.
Hopefully the asking price for Ryan goes down eventually and we can aquire our much needed 1st line winger. After that I think were set until we see if Ceci and Cowen are capable of being Karlsson's partner. If not that piece, I believe will be the finishing touch to a very deep lineup.
I really do believe we will have one of the best top 9 forwrads, top 4 D and goalie tandem.
Where did Bryan Murray say that Zibanejad is his best prospect? He's one of the elite for sure, but even most reputable prospect rankings have him as high end 2nd liner, which I would agree with.
I think most of the people on here have said he'd play 3rd line THIS year, not best case scenario over his whole career.
2003-2004 Owen Sound Attack-OHL
gp G A PTS +/- pms
65 22 17 39 -18 52 8 0
2004-2005 Owen Sound Attack-OHL
62 37 52 89 30 51 11 4
2005-2006 Owen Sound Attack-OHL
59 31 64 95 -4 44 12 0
2005-2006 United States-WJC-A
7 3 4 7 0
2005-2006 Portland Pirates-AHL
2006-2007 Owen Sound Attack-OHL
63 43 59 102 -9 63 24 1
Mark Stone
GP G A PTS PM
2008–09 Brandon Wheat Kings WHL
56 17 22 39 27
2009–10 Brandon Wheat Kings WHL
39 11 17 28 25
2010–11 Brandon Wheat Kings WHL
71 37 69 106 28
2011–12 Brandon Wheat Kings WHL
66 41 82 123 22
We possibly have a bobby ryan in our system at the fraction of the cost without giving anything away. let the kids play!
1. Mika Zibanejad, Center
2. Stefan Noesen, Right Wing
3. Robin Lehner, Goalie
4. Jakob Silfverberg, Right Wing
5. Cody Ceci, Defense
6. Mark Stone, Right Wing
7. Matt Puempel, Left Wing
8. Shane Prince, Left Wing
9. Fredrik Claesson, Defense
10. Jarrod Maidens, Center
11. Patrick Wiercioch, Defense
12. Mike Hoffman, Center
13. Stephane Da Costa, Center
14. Ben Blood, Defense
15. Nikita Filatov, Wing
I wonder why the league "goal/game" leading pittsburgh squad didn't tell that to the league "goal against/game" leading kings know this last season??
sorry, 2nd place in the league...point remains the same ;)
As a fan of Hockey pools, what are most people going to do this year. Pass on being part of the pool all together or start it up and hope for the best? Just looking for thoughts on what others are doing? I have one I run and I cannot determine if I even want to bother going through the draft at all, especially considering some players may sign a contract elsewhere for a full year and not return this year. Thoughts, suggestions? Let me hear it.
Honestly...a lot of NHL 13 GM connected.
The thought of a lockout (especially at a time when the sens are so exciting) is making me sick to my stomach.
so yeah...no hockey pool...just A LOT of NHL 13....
NFL season man!
Simple, no hockey, more time dedicated to watch my other fav sport (quickly becoming #1 fav sport with all these Hockey lockouts)
GO JETS GO!
I play most of my leagues on yahoo, and I believe during the last lockout they delayed draft dates until the start of the season was known. Personally since yahoo opened them up this week, I'm setting up my leagues so they're full and all managers know the draft date will be set last minute with little warning based on when the CBA is resolved. I don't think it's worth drafting before the CBA issue is no more.
Now the league was supposed to give another proposal... so can we see this Fehr going to consult with players.. a good thing or a bad thing?
Just get to 50-50. Salary cap to 65M -- floor at 45M. Then work the rest out.
The league has grown a lot during this last CBA, the strong Cdn dollar helped. They finally have the TV contract they want...
Do both sides want to see the growth halted and going backwards? That is just plain stupid.
;)
For a pool, doesn't some relatively well know org run the season as normal but through NHL xx (the video game) during a lockout and the pool runs as though it was real games? Isn't this how they determined that Ottawa was gonna win the playoffs in 2007 during game 6 in overtime with a goal by Spezza?
you do realize that Napoleon and Don "we all" Fehr will paid millions to come to a conclusion that you spent a few minutes to write out on Chirp.
Brilliant Sandy you deserve a portion of their salaries!!!
In the SEL he had plenty of space to pull of his wristers, in the NHL he won't get that chance. In his highlight video, 95% of the goals he scored this year was all from his wrister. He is going to have to learn how to score some diry goals.
You know what...I've tried in the past.
NFL's "start play/stop play/watch player's scratch themselves for a while" and repeat every 20 seconds makes me feel like I'm watching baseball and puts me to sleep.
I know I'm the minority as there are many more NFL fans than NHL fans...but I'll stick to hockey. It is truly the one and only sport that I love watching religiously.
Okay -- I'll take that...
Per Aaron Ward:
@aaronward_nhl: According to players,there will be a conference call later today for all the members of the NHLPA,that will update the situation. #TSN
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Now that will be either progress has been made.. or we are at a stalement and start making plans for Europe.
https://twitter.com/SNLouisJean/status/240520002665603073
Just about dashes all hope.. it's option 2 above... at a stalemate and start making plans for Europe.
Question for those players jumping to Europe and if they get a severe injury... knee, concussion, broken leg or whatever and are out up to 8 weeks or more. .. the NHL comes back... that player can't play.. who pays the insurance on his contract since he got hurt in another league?
And what do you think hockey players do on the bench? spit, scratch, spit, yell for a towel, spit and clean visor, spit some more. EDIT oh I see what you mean, you mean actual gameplay where players huddle and all that. I see where 20 seconds could seem a bit long for a hockey fan. but you have to remember these guys dont glide on blades that dont require much friction, these guys run all game long in full gear in 30+ degrees.
Not sure you follow NFL much cuz if you did you wouldnt say it puts you to sleep, every play is crucial, they dont play 82 games where you have a huge cushion to fail and still make the playoffs. You can lose 5 games in a row, no worries we got 70 more to go, etc...
Thats what makes NFL that much more interesting, every play matters...Thats just me.
Well thats bad news for the Hockey world, too bad this will probably be the end for alot of hockey fans and it should be, why run back like a little puppy only to have it happen again, you know it will, Bettman aint going anywhere and neither is Fehr.
So they agree on this CBA for th sake of hockey, its gonna be full of problems that they are gonna want rehashed in 7 years...Its a vicious circle.
No dice. That split is too close to the players % last time where the big revenue teams helped inflate revenue to the point where the cap very quickly inflated out of control. 39M year one of last CBA to what would have been 72M next season. Last CBA the NHL was not counting on things spiraling out of control like it did... not even close.
Sure it's only "Forbes" they don't have access to every price of data out there but I'm sure their data is pretty decent measuring stick. In the entire NHL last season only 8 teams made more than 3.2M in profit! Of those other 22 team 13 of them lost more than 5 million!
If they resume business anything CLOSE to the old model, the league is in very very big trouble very very quickly. None more-so than the smaller markets including Ottawa.
With this much revenue disparity between teams, even a luxury tax would do little except kill the parity we've built.
The only way to fix this is either the player really do get a waaay smaller % as the league proposed (this will stall cap inflation and have it grow at a more normal rate) otherwise they need to screw revenue sharing altogether and set either a permanent hard cap + floor (I've proposed 40M/60M) or do that for year 1 with modest fixed % growth.
The NHL almost HAS to do this, I don't see an alternative. I also don't expect the players to accept this lightly. That is why I feel we are done for this year (probably) and good chance we'll lose next year too (possibly).
At a glance, Pittsburgh didn't even break even last year... even for teams like us where we made 2.8 million, do you really think it's worth it for owners to invest a million dollars a year in salary etc only to see profits of 2M or 3M or lose 5M?
NHLPA ‎@Darlene - We will be updating as we go, busy day! :) Stay tuned.
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Now -- I'm not up on all the symbols in today's world... is :) a smile or a frown?
Besides, the fact both sides (NHL, NHLPA) are ready to jeopardize another season to get their way gives me cause to resent both.
No NHL? No problem. I'm more than happy to watch my Cornwall Jr. A Colts – good hockey, hungry players and rabid fans. What more could you want?
I find the CRAZY ass Rugby players are real athletes and dont have egos, equipment or make huge dollars, i just want tsn to show more of it, football players are pansies compared to those guys. All american shit is over hyped, just depends if you buy into it or not.
the NLL is another good watch..lacrosse is very close to hockey..no egos..and man..they are rough..just like rugby.
Per Aaron Ward
@aaronward_nhl: Fehr impression of proposal, ' don't feel better or worse about it'
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That doesn't sound very optimistic.. does it.
Its just not the same, the Rugby player tosses the ball away before getting hit, a NFL Running BAck doesnt throw the ball away before getting hit.
I actually like Rugby but find it much more boring than NFL football, too many clinches and scrums and all that shit, there is actually less hitting going on in Rugby and big hits are rare (unless its the All Blacks...) but yeah similar but not.
Its fine..there is a TONNE of stuff going on at all times on the field, and its hard as hell to get used to everything/all the audibles being called etc.
I've finally got my wife coming around to the sport slightly...stil l can't understand how I can have 3/4 games going at the same time for 12 or more hours on a Sunday mind you.
they're not games that require much iq, just to have a certain body type but some require skill to throw.
i think most of those fans have simular iq's to the players, and thats not saying much.
Although I do agree the level of intelligence in all sports varies a tonne
Bettman says it was more inline with the players proposal which to me is only good news.
That's not to say that the players are thinking about accepting this deal. I'm sure they are stratigizing on how to counter it.
Let's hope they make a realistic counter that includes certain key elements the owners are keen on having in there.
Aaron Ward is reporting on twitter:
@aaronward_nhl: Indications are early reports of Revenue Sharing percentages from NHL proposal by media outlets,not accurate.NHLPA still analyzing.
Aaron Ward says he is hearing that the NHL's new proposal is basically the same as the first proposal.
Now I don' know if his comment was before or after his tweet.
I guess we will know tomorrow. I don't want to get my hopes up .. I don't want to get disappointed.
Cameralli on record as saying that the Owners first offer was ridiculous.. maybe what is ridiculous Mr Cameralli -- is your salary based on your points.
http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=640621
Now weighs 210 at 6'4. He use to weigh at 190, got that throat injury and got set back to 185. Gained 25lbs over the summer with Schwartz and Turris.
Maybe with the injury and one of his childhood friends playing in Ottawa will finally push Weircioch to the next level.
Quote:The kid is still only 21, I remember 2 years ago when he played around 10 games with the sens and he looked pretty good, hes probably one of those unique players that do better in the NHL than AHL because its more structured and less hectic systems wise. Would be interesting to see him where hes at on training camp, if we do have one.
Now I don't think for a moment that is his e-mail... it's just too obvious... but wouldn't it be funny if it actually was...
I read him for a laugh.
but why can't there be a hard cap on team spending.With additional big market team profit sharing with small market teams and players?By that i mean players sign contracts for annual salaries but all players receive a percentage payout for games played or games called up as potentially injured players would still be eligible.This is not relative to star player status or pims or any other measure. if a player is called up from the minors he gets his salary plus bonus where the league minimum is from media profit sharing.
The bonus is a variable based on league earnings.The fact that the players are assigned a hard cap on earnings is likely their biggest sticking point.
Make the hard cap based on average gate revenue.This is a closed system you can only put so many butts in the seats every night.In order for that number to change you have to change the cost at the gate which means hurting the fans and potentially hurting corporate sponsorship for small market teams.Therefore the stars are paid more based on butts in seats(this should make the Kovalev's of hockey play harder).
No gate revenue sharing.
If your market is not interested in hockey and will only pay you $25 with a hot dog and beer or some wonderful deal like that to attend your games so be it.However,you might not yet be a hockey market.
While I APPRECIATE Gary Bettman's attempt to bring the greatest game to the most unlikely places imaginable(the desert).These projects should be given a 10 year lifespan and should be fostered by the league and the nhlpa and not used as a way to bring down average league earnings and therefore player salaries.
Not all hockey players are bright, get these people out of their heads.The PA should be looking out for their own.
Really there should be heritage measures advanced here where the PA should be demanding more for the retired PA members more than the active members.
I know it`s always a consideration(o r I assume it is) but the PA should be looking to buy up every team possible to increase their controlling interest in the league...Why wasn`t Orr just given a team...Who the hell is managing these guys...
I`m gonna miss the sens...
Somebody please demand a dominion of Canada hockey tourney if the lockout happens...
Somebody wins the cup in 2013...
Invite the world...
More that hockey players aren't geniuses...
Set them free...
Boycott agents for better hockey...for the love of the game
A six year deal would mean players share of revenues only dip under 50% once in this those six years, at 49.6%. But based on projections, cap would still be over 70Mill in the final year of the CBA despite it being a 50% share.
Oh, and the reductions would not be a explicit roll back but the dip would be made up elsewhere so i don't think the players would feel it directly on their paychecks.
Anyway, sorry, its on TSN. I'm just excited.
GET IT DONE!
It's titled Dreger: New NHL Proposal.
Should be a start to serious negotiations, to which the NHLPA will respond today !
Let's hope Donald Fehr has an open mind, and that both parties agree to agree !!
If being able to remember the 87 series makes me old, what does it make me if I also remember the 72 series?
Actually you are lucky because I wasn't old enough to remember the series. Have seen bits and pieces over the years but it would have been special to be in it back then.
@ boom,
You must be middle-aged and not really old, whereas I remember the 1953-1954 Stanley Cup Final, between the Montreal Canadiens and Detroit Red Wings. A guy named Tony Leswick scored in overtime of Game 7 to win for the Wings
I was only 10 years old back then, so I am now pushing 3 score and 10 !!
Might be nice to see those games again... but I'm not sure I can handle watching hockey in non-HD... I guess I have become a techno-snob.
I feel like the proposal was almost as bad as the initial one and I won't be surprised if the NHLPA is unhappy with it, but at least they'll counter and there's some movement happening now.
Well, we're both young at heart, at least...