That doesn't necessarily mean the start of the season will be delayed but it's not exactly a good sign for fans that are hungry for the start of the next NHL season.
As we enter the dog days of summer, there has been an obvious lull in Sens related news.
And while there's still time for the Senators to make another move to shore up their top six, it sounds like things are fairly quiet for Murray and his staff right now. They have kept a close eye on the Anaheim Ducks but according to people I have spoken with, the price is far too high for Murray's liking right now.
And really, why wouldn't Ducks GM Bob Murray ask for the world?
Despite the public comments made by Ryan, the Ducks are not in a situation where they have to move the New Jersey native. They can listen to offers but if the interested General Managers aren't meeting his asking price, he can hang on to the winger. The Ducks will be interesting to watch over the next 11 months or so. With both Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry set to become unrestricted free agents, difficult decisions will have to be made in Anaheim.
The Sens will continue to monitor the situation with Ryan closely but as of right now, I would call it a long shot.
- Have read some talk about the possibility of moving Sergei Gonchar the past couple days. Can confirm that while the Senators have explored that option and will continue to, there isn’t a whole lot going on right now. The Flyers would be an interesting option but moving Gonchar would leave a fairly significant void on the Sens blue line and would see them slide another $5 mil below the cap floor. Also important to note that Gonchar has a full no-trade clause right now and on January 1, 2013, can submit a ten team trade list.
Like chirp mentioned, Gonchar has a full NMC until January first when he must submit a list of ten teams he would accept a trade to. I don't think that Murray trades Gonch until the deadline and that's only if we don't have a shot of making the playoffs.
I know Gonchar's game leaves a lot to be desired, especially at a price tag of 5.5 million, but whether we like it or not we still need the guy.
for
Simmonds?
Wishful thinking my friend. Simmonds would be too sick. Don't think Philly considers that trade for a second.
moved, the timing is not the best right now.
He might be slow and older, but he can still mentor a few young guys, till the end of his contract.
He is also a great asset on our Power Play, and can play both on left or right side, which not too many defencemen can accomplish !
Most important, is his chemistry with Jared Cowen :
Cowen- Gonchar !!!!!!!
Anaheim seems to believe in the fountain of youth so why not?
it would be a steal for us, and make it a 2014 1st (close to 30th pick...)
then we fleeced them
that would be another decent fleece.
I really don't think a trade like that is too far off, maybe if we add a 2nd rounder from this year or 2014 1st rounder we could get a top six forward out of Philly, they do have 8 of them... Haha. I'd be incredibly happy to see Simmonds or Hartnell come our way!
He is a veteran presence and no matter how much you bad mouth him, he was one of the premier defenseman in the league and still is highly serviceable and a power-play specialist.
And after what Malkin said about him at the awards, and with the youth on this team, nobody should be pushing him out of town just yet. We have no one to replace him at all.
Depending on this season and if he regresses, I'd even re-sign him.
i forgot we need gonchar to mentor our other russian born player... some guy named filatov
What I am saying is that he is a good mentor for young players; being Russian has nothing to do with it.
Hahaha honestly what the hell
This. Not only may his value skyrocket around that time, it will also allow us to figure out how we are doing in the standings at that point in time and possibly need to keep him for a run.
Exactly! At peak value, he may very well land us a lower 1st round pick. And realistically, this team is more in need of defensive depth than offensive depth. Our prospect cupboard is loaded at forward positions, but not so much on the blue line. I don't see the point in losing Gonchar for another forward. Of course, I'd be interested in Ryan, but less so in Simmonds etc. Wouldn't that just create a bigger problem in 2-3 years when Zibanejad, Noesen, Silfv, Stone, etc are roster players. Teams don't carry 4 scoring lines.
Michalek - Spezza - Silfverberg
Latendresse - Turris - Alfie
Greening - Zbad/Regin - Condra
OBrien - Smith - Neil
Daugavins - Butler
I'm uncomfortable with line 3. Swap Condra for Neil?
michalek spezza silfverberg
latendresse turris alfie
greening smith/regin condra
daugavins obrien/smith neil
Karlsson Methot
Cowen Gonchar
Phillips lundin
Anderson
Bishop/lehner
Butler isn't on the team anymore.
My bad!
Is Smith quality enough to play 3C? IMO, one of the most wide open spots on the roster is the 3C. Smith, Regin, Zibanejab are all fighting for that spot. I like Smith on 4 personally. I feel it adds more depth. Hoping Regin shows us why we held on for so long...
Jeff Skinner and #Canes have agreed to multi year extension. #DoneDeal to be announced within 48 hours. #CONFIRMED
People slam some of these guys like @incarceratedbo b for example I have followed for almost 2 years and he pulls shit like this constantly, in his case NFL news predominantly.
Me might say (just an example) #Sens shopping Gonchar, So far interest from #Flyers #Stars and #Wings.
Maybe Gonch to those three teams might never pan out but it doesn't meant here wasn't interest, and he will often do #CONFIRMED deals 2 days before the mainstream media gets wind.
Well keep in mind not all of these prospects listed here will become top sixers, and even if they all did let's say, since when does having an excess of top six forwards pose a problem? Haha. Worst case scenario trade the excess forward for whatever you're lacking. Problem solved.
I'm just worried Gonchar will have a crap year and we get absolutely nothing for him, at least right now he could peak the interest of the Flyers, and maybe help with our rebuild by getting us a solid return.
I'd say keep him until the deadline regardless, his value can't be less than it is now. Besides, it is a contract year.
Thumbs up for you guys for never including him as part of the Noesen, Zibanejad, Stone, Silfverberg rebuilding tools. Thumbs down for you guys for never including him as part of the Noesen, Zibanejad, Stone, Silfverberg rebuilding tools.
What do you mean? His value can easily decrease either through injury or a further noticeable decrease in his skill level. Right now, while it's summer time, people forget that he was not one of the main catalysts to our big run last year. His value is pretty good right now, the only way it goes higher is if he stays healthy and performs better than he did last year, leading up to the deadline. Personally I'd rather not have to wait and hope that everything goes perfectly for him.
He's included pretty often on this site by posters. The difference you need to realize is that he's normally not included when talked about for this coming year's roster because his chance of making it is about 1%. He had a tough injury riddled season last year and will need a bit more time before he's ready to start making a run at the NHL roster.
Most posters do include him though when talking about our core in 2-3 years. Also though, don't forget, he was the high risk high reward pick of that draft, so that already means he's not guaranteed to become an NHL player.
Puempel will be good, there's little doubt. He's just not nearly ready enough to be involved in the NHL talk yet... his time will come, but just not this year.
What if Malkin wants to walk away from Pitts in 2 yrs as he doesn't want to play 2nd fiddle to Crosby his entire career... signing Gonchar -- may help if Ottawa makes a bid for Malkin as a UFA... It may be worth it to keep Gonchar past this season, even if he has declined, in order to get a shot at one of the best players in the game.. put him on Spezza's wing.. and holy cow...
Crazy thinking?
You're such a dreamer Sandy haha I like the way you think but Malkin is a stretch.
Nothing wrong with being a dreamer... But it's not a stretch to think that Malkin could walk away from the Pens. He plays his best when Crosby is out... so any other team he would go to he would arguably be the best player... but yes it is a stretch by a long shot to think Ottawa would be in the running for Malkin.. but don't underestimate his feelings for Gonchar.. it's akin to Karlsson and Alfie...
great little article on Sdao
Unless you name is Glen Sather, people don't forget how a player was last season.
Gonchar had a good season last year. I thought he was great in the playoffs. If Ottawa trades him now, that is a HUGE gap to fill. Especially salary wise where we would be around 9 mill under the cap....
This means we'd either have to sign a retarded contract (Doan) or we'd be taking back salary which would clutter our team anyway.
I just don't think he gets moved now and that he is underestimated in fans minds. That is all.
Yeah dont trade that guy, he is exactly what the wannabe sens fans our looking for. A name, "But it's Gonchar" "GONCHAR!!!" he has a coool name and he was once good so lets keep him. His name is so cool and familiar that he might be good on the top line with Spezza.
Yeee hawwwwww
Lets resign mike fisher based on his smile, seems like a good move right fans?
Very good article. I like what he said that Ottawa is a great city... too bad more NHL players don't realize that...
6'4" -- 230 lbs? Wow.. combine him with Ben Blood 6'3 and listed as 212.. Then Eric Gryba at 6'4" and 222 lbs.. Also Borowiecki and Methot...
If these guys do make the NHL wow.. what a tough defense added to Karlsson, Cowen, Weircoch, Ceci...
That has the potential to be a highly skilled and one tough mean in your face defense in the future.
I know in the immediate future we say there is no depth on defense.. but 4 or 5 yrs down the road.. there could well be...
Let me tell you, as part of the female hockey fans in this City.. there is a lot more to Mike Fisher than his smile!! LOL
The guy that wrote that, was talking about Malkin on a line with Spezza, not Gonchar.
Go back and read it again !!
If we trade Gonchar we are left with Karlsson as our one and only offensive defenseman. Cowen, Phillips, Methot, Borowiecki are all rather one dimensional, stay at home guys. Cowen will likely develop until more than that but it will take time.
Anyone who knows hockey will tell you need a decent powerplay, strong breakouts and a good transition game to have success in the NHL. This is where Gonchar helps our team. I only support a Gonchar trade now if we can replace him with an equal or better player that brings offense from the back end.
Someone like Yandle or Bouwmeester would be awesome in my opinion, preferably Yandle. If we trade Gonchar, Murray will spend the entire season looking for another offensive defenseman to replace him with.
Bouwmeester is an offensive defenseman that was playing in a defensive minded system.
What would be his upside playing with the Sens where it is an up-tempo rush the puck system. He is a good skater that may benefit in this type of game play. It would certainly get the Sens over the cap floor... It would be for 2 yrs.. so nothing really long term... a stop gap until Ceci is ready?
To OTT:
- Bowmeester
To CGY:
- Gonchar
- Bishop
Might need some tweaking but is it something that fits in their plan? I have heard rumours they might be shopping Bowmeester and Kiprusoff.
Yes, it doesn't get any crazier than that!
God no....yes it gets crazier....this
Hey people can dream.... nothing wrong with wishful thinking...
That's true, Sandy but this is one dream that would turn into a nightmare. :-P
- Leadership
- Power Play
- Help young defencemen
He has only 1 year left on his contract and trading him for a second round pick would make the sens awful on the blue line. I don't want a kid to take the Gonchar's minutes on the ice because we are not supposed to finish last this year. We are suppose to be in a playoff hunt. We will not be in any hunt with Ceci and Boro in the line up this year!!
So just relax and chill out...I know some of you are Gonchar's hater because he make 5.5 millions, but we are under the cap space with him in the line up and i prefer to have him in the sens jersey than a «no where pick» who will help us in 4 years.
Compare Kovalev with Gonchar and your love for the russian defenceman will quickly increase. Gonch want to play here, choose the Sens and want to help the team to be better again this year.
Having Malkin on your team would be a nightmare? I can see Gonchar, yes, -- but, if free of injury I see a good year for him as he wants to play until 2014... Unless he plays in the KHL next season - my guess is he wants to play in the NHL.
Look -- that 99.9% will never happen (Malkin signing in Ottawa).. but with the friendship between the two and how much Malkin looks to Gonchar... you can never say absolutely no.
Hockeyy Insiderr is at it again. There are Western Conference teams interested in Gonchar...
Why are we supposed to make the playoffs this year? According to just about everyone but me we had no chance last year and were 2-3 years of rebuild away from seriously being playoff ready. Why would making it in year 1 mean you have to make it in year 2 as well? The goal is still the long term development of the overall young core, so if playing a Ceci, Borowiecki or Wiercioch a bit more than expected in exchange for improvement at forward or a longer term prospect, is the cost, I'm all for it.
I think we'll challenge for the playoffs either way this year, but if we miss out for some reason, it's not a disaster on the rebuild path.
No, having Gonchar for another 2 seasons is a nightmarish scenario. I would do it just so IT may influence Malkin. Not a gamble I'm willing to pay.
You mean Calgary would have to add? Not sure about that. Was thinking maybe Ottawa would have to add a little.
Havent seen any leadership from him yet, he quits on plays and his body language is terrible for young kids to see.
Our powerplay was 11th in the league at 18.2, behind teams like Florida, Edmonton, Toronto... Not exactly lighting it up.
Cowen has shown signs of being a great player but has been terribly inconsistant playing alongside Gonchar...
I dont see where Gonchar helps at all.
Calgary gets rid for his contract
We get a defensive that like playing up tempo
But gonchar wouldnt want to go there
I have heard that comment about our goalie depth many times and I just don't get it. We currently have 3 NHL ready goalies. The only thing that would be affected if we traded one of our goalie prospects is our AHL team. We drafted a couple more goalies this summer. Those guys will be in Binghamton within 2 or 3 yrs. We can't NHL-ready goalies rot on the sideline when we already have a solid #1 signed for 3 more years. We need to use that extra asset to shore up our defense.
i would do gonch for Jaybo straight....may be with a late pick
While I agree we can't just get rid of Gonchar without replacing him, I have to disagree with the rest of what you said. Tookie said exactly why Gonchar isn't liked. Has nothing to do with his salary and everything to do about his game.
Did we not acquire Bishop for a 2nd pick? So you'd be livid if we basically acquired Jaybo for a 2nd pick? As much as I like Bishop, he hasn't increased in value since we acquired him.
The trade was Gonchar/Bishop. ...so its hardly just a 2nd
and yes, I would much prefer to have depth in Goal then have Jaybo on our team...we already have Gonchar, who we get rid of this year. Why would I want someone making more for two seasons?? Oh and throw in a highly touted goalie prospect too?
the trade makes zero sense man..
Wow
We fleeced St.L in that deal- they had to trade him given the contract details (especially since Elliott decided to show up and play last year)!
Gonchar(makes 5.5 contract over after this season...so deadline trade bait...maybe a 2nd round pick if we are lucky?)
+
Bishop(makes 650k so nothing...25 yrs old, considered a very good goalie prospect again contract is up after this season so potential trade bait)
For
Jaybo(makes 6 680 000, scores less than Gonchar, has another year at that rate)
so we essentially replace a contract we are about to get rid of for a more expensive less effective player and keep him for a year.
Seriously, someone break down why we are even discussing this trade? I honestly can not come up with a single valid reason to move Gonchar/Bishop for him.
for Gonchar
Gio is a player that would fit well on our blueline
and his cap is just over 4 mill till 2016
Well his cap hit could help us reach the floor, and the fact that he's 28 means he could easily have a rebound year with a team that actually has a system of play in place like Ottawa (unlike Calgary). He's also pretty sound defensively and would set a better example of responsible play than Gonchar at this point in Gonchar's career.
I think it would be worth it to give him a shot, but only if its Gonchar and a pick no higher than the 3rd round.
Going for Corey Perry. Did you ask yourself first
Are they gonba resign him before the deadline?
What would be a asking price for a rental player?
Would he resign and committe to the orgasination and the city after the season Or playoff are over?
I for one would not give a shit load that his on a contract year that for sure.
Something like
1st pick ( depending on are position ) something like 6th overall and down
A prospect
Roster player
I would be OK for someone like Ryan/Nash(ignor ing his doucheness)/E Kane
Jaybo IMO is not a big enough upgrade...espec ially considering the hypothetical offer being discussed here.
So I am not the only sane person here....thank you
thought that was clearly discussed several times in last few months that he is an overrated curse..
and as some pointed, gonchar has a NTC.. why would he want to move to calgary..?
dont think he wants to move anywhere at this point of his career, he is clearly liked in the lockerroom and like it or not, he is a veteran that younger Dmen do look up to.
Joy Lindsey is not covering the B-Sens anymore. Her last post was today. Just a heads up if you are looking for info.
Yeah I could see that. Detroit has been looking for some D help and aren't afraid of veterans and he would fit in nicely there also. Coach Mac has inside on who he'd like back from Detroit that can play top 6 here, could be a good trading partner there.
Filpula for Gonchar, DaCosta and a pick ??
I dont think this is the year to trade prospects as we still dont know what we have. We still dont know what most of them are capable of in the pro game like Zibby/ Silfver/ Stone would be playing their first pro season. We go through this season with what we have and then next summer we should look at trading or signing a big piece ( Perry pls)
Ok, so Filppula for Gonchar and Zibby and a pick. Detroit's prospect pool isn't that deep, and they have space for a veteran D after Lidstom's retirement.
Oh my god
Some guys here are smoking some dopes too often...
UH No.
Zibby plus someone for Evander Kane maybe but I dont want Filppula at that price.
What chance would they have in a trade.. Gonchar for Jarnkrok (sp?)
Everyone is talking about what we would lose in Gonchar but what we would gain in the trade.
I would take a top line forward and give a young D guy a shot all day long for Gonchar +
we would not lose cap hit if we have cap coming back.
as for the flyers... i wouldn't mind meszaros coming back pr getting simmonds but that would probably never happen lol
Their best prospect ! Would be nice but would be expensive. Possible, if they are interested in Bishop. Tatar is NHL ready and should be on the Wings this year.
you get pretty upset when someone has a different opinion than you eh? Jay B isnt as bad as you think he is. How much of his game did you watch this year? so what he isn't scoring off the charts. Put him with Karlsson and that is guaranteed to change plus you get a very solid d-man who easily logs 25 minutes a game. 6.8M for a top pairing d-man who logs 25 minutes a game is about the going rate.
So what he hasn't made the playoffs, like it is his fault alone. He is not a game changer. And maybe he is slightly overpaid but only for two more years. He improves our d leaps and bounds if he comes here and doesn't cost us out of anything we'd want down the road.
IMO adding Bouwmeester to our lineup makes us better than if we added Ryan.
It's a moot point anyway, Gonchar would NEVER waive his no trade clause to go to Calgary.
BUt I do agree with one thing, I wouldn't include Bishop in that trade.
So you agree? lol....and no I don't get upset couldn't care less if fans want to make a horrible move. I would on the other hand if Murray did.
My main point is including Bishop would be absolutely retarded, I would rather have the goalie depth then Jaybo, I honestly wouldn't likely support a Gonchar for Jaybo straight up...the cap relief from him coming off the books after this year is more appealing to me.
Amazing moment in sports. It's not the shot at gold they deserved but amazing to see those women come through for bronze.
A team Canadians should be proud of.
Cody Ceci about to jump on the ice for Team Canada. The Canada -Russia Challenge starts in less than 1 hour!
Is it being broadcast anywhere?
Apparently Cody Ceci is a healthy scratch for this first game in Russia ??
Win the game they should have lost and lose the game they should have won.
Kicky Ball is soooooo strange.
What a great Olympics for these women! I was really impressed with their games and start to finish efforts. Completely agree chirp!
It's now 2-1 for Canada.
It's great watching hockey. Love watching the World Juniors and this is akin to that... Great young players.
Congrats to the Woman's Soccer team for winning Bronze. I hope Japan beats the asses of the USA team.