Three sentences in and I know I've already lost some of you.
After all, this is the same Peter Regin that appeared in all of ten games last season. Five games in October. Five in December. Not exactly a memorable campaign. But if Peter Regin can stay healthy, and believe me, I'm emphasizing the heck out of that "if", he could play an important role in the Sens line up in the 2012/2013 season.
Durable he is not, but versatile? You bet.
Regin is a natural centre, but can play the wing. You'll recall he has shown flashes of chemistry playing with Spezza in the past. If not on the wing, Regin could slide comfortably into the three hole at centre, behind Spezza and Turris.
He has the skill to play the power play and the smarts to take a PK shift from time to time. He gets up and down the ice well and is a player that theoretically should thrive in MacLean's puck possession, high tempo style of game.On a team that's riddled with youth, Regin and his 151 games of NHL experience almost take on the role of grizzled veteran.
Determining exactly where Regin slots in obviously depends on the camps of guys like Silfverberg, Zibanejad and Stone but there's an outside shot he finds his way into the team's top six. By no means will anything be handed to Regin but barring a trade for Bobby Ryan, there is a spot there for the taking.
Any discussion about Regin's potential has to come with a massive asterisk. In fact, as I type this, there's a good chance he's doing irreparable damage to one of or both of his shoulders. But there is no doubt he's got talent. Prior to his injury riddled 2011/2012 season, fans swooned over the potential of Regin, particularly after an impressive showing (3 goals, 1 assist) in his first 6 playoff games at the NHL level.
If you want additional reason for optimism- his one year contract means we can expect to see a guy approaching this like his "last shot". Strange thing to say for a 26 year old but that might be the reality facing Regin this year.
He sounds motivated and ready to rebound from an ugly campaign.
If he can put past injury concerns behind him, there's no reason to believe Peter Regin can't be an important player for the Senators next season.
My lord does this guy put me to sleep!!
I'll always come here first for Sens news even if the 'regular' posters are jokes talking about blog bets
Curious did he change back or is that what you just think he should do?
I remember the foligno-regin-N eil line
Maybe a smith-regin-Nei l line could do the same sort of damage and scoring
I would love for him to blow me away with his play but I certainly am not holding my breath,
All the best to him this year but so far not a player I am excited about at all,
Thanks Dave.
already told him that lol Told him that number is cursed over here lol
All honesty, the kid was plagued in the 2010-2011 season. He was coming in ready for the 2011-2012 campaign and managed to re-injure the shoulder. Regin's got potential as he's shown in the 2010 playoffs playing against a tough opposing team that had Malkin & Crosby, not to mention Fleury as goalie. But obviously Murray and company know what they're doing if they decided to resign him so here's to a great season for Peter. But seriously, if that shoulder gives, he'll be joining Pascal in the rehabilitating room for the rest of their careers. And I want Leclaire to find a job in the NHL.
Quoting lbernier:
And you, ferme ta crisse de yeule esti niasier.
Although I doubt the Sens will make anymore moves up front since they already have 12 players signed to one way contracts. Any chance that the Sens would entertain giving a guy like JP Dumont (LW/RW) a tryout come this September.
He is a Montreal native, 34 years old, former 1st round pick (3rd overall) and put up some decent numbers not to long ago with Buffalo and Nashville.
I know his career is on the decline but I am sure that if given the chance to play on the top two lines (some pp play time) he could definitely put up Foligno type numbers and would be some good assurance in case Latendresse doesn't pan out.
If at training camp and pre-season the coach and manager are not impressed than you simply dump him.
This seems to be our identity now, gambling on guys with flashes of greatness
He will never ever be a Ottawa Senator ...Just stop already
Talk about the players we do have and players coming
Budget Budget Budget ...Listen to the owner not your Xbox or your bong
I have him on facebook and I have talked to him a few times most recently a couple weeks ago so why dont you ferme ta crisse de yeule esti niasier youself. I looked it up...no need for that stuff here!
I'm totally on-board with the rebuilding process. I get that this means giving some of our young prospects important ice-time, and I also realize that a rebuilding team will very rarely be a cap-ceiling team.
That said, am I the only one who is concerned about all these comments from Murray, and more so Melnyk, about having to suddenly be so budget conscious? Brennan's article points out that only 2 other teams have less salary committed than us so far - NYI and the Coyotes.
The way I see, there is being budget conscious, and then there is being so brutally budget conscious that all of a sudden teams like Columbus, Florida and Carolina are spending more than us??
Small market team or not, are the team's finances so tight that this type of penny pinching is now the Sens' philosophy?
I understand leaving some cap room open for when some of these prospects need to be resigned to bigger money. But even if you don't want to spend right up to the cap, that doesn't mean you need to be so close to the cap floor that you need to carry along some extra 2-way contracts with the big club just to meet the floor. What is wrong with spending say halfway between the cap floor and ceiling? Still leaves plenty of cap room, and allows for a little more spending on a top-end player or two.
If this budget philosophy is truly the way the team is going forward, I think many of us will eventually miss that excitement that comes with signing a top-end free agent now and again...
I'm actually pretty amazed at how long this story has stayed out of the spotlight. It has been easy for the Senators to preach fiscal restraint with so many solid, young prospects coming through.
Reality is, finances are incredibly tight for this team right now and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
Who cares though?? If being frugal while rebuilding saves Melnyk some coin and allows him to build up some more cushion/money he may be willing to "lose" in a few years, when our team is much more likely to compete for the cup/make the playoffs I am all for it.
I wouldn't be all that concerned unless it becomes a long term trend(not a season or two but maybe 6-7+ years of being near the bottom in spending).
You gotta remember Melnyk wants to win probably more than ANY fan does. I am not always the most optimistic but you gotta assume if the right situation were to arise he would open up a bit...right situation would likely be improve our team now/in the future and be able to make more money from merchandise
That being said it makes me a bit sick to my stomach to hear these sort of financial concerns about our franchise, posturing or not.
Oh and on topic, mark my words Regin is going to have a healthy season and a very strong season, one of many players that will have us stoked about the squad!
I'm starting to get nervous about this "budget". I realize were in a re-build and therefore there's not much point in spending money right now. However, its being brought up so often by Melnyk and management that I don't see us getting out of this tight budget for quite a while.
It almost seems like right now they can get away with it without getting too much shit from the fans because they can sell us on the fact that they need roster spots open for current and future propects.
I'm getting to the point where I'm not buying it anymore.
One of the most furtrating things about being a fan is when your team has a ton of cap space and plenty of attractive free agents available yet nothing is happening to make the team better.
We are all hoping to trade for a player like Nash or Ryan or sign a guy like Perry next year. But chances are Melnyk will be far too cheap to get one of these players.
I'm thinking maybe he shouldn't have pulled some of the B.S that lost him his job at the pharmaceutical company where he was CEO. He lost tens of millions doing that along with his divorce.
Nobody knows how serious the situation is but I don't like the looks of it
For discussion- in which season, projecting ahead, will they have a better chance at competing than they would have had next year, if they were able to add a legitimate 1st line scoring threat?
Do you really believe that in say, 2-3 years, this team will be more competitive than they would have been had they added a guy like Rick Nash/Bobby Ryan?
I would agree, had these concerns not started to show up early last year. Unless they have been posturing for awhile now...
Maybe not a 13 year 150M deal, but this is why most owners are battling hard to get rid of that shit also. Why? Because it's a stupid contract that not even Burke would do.
Im not convinced that in 2-3 years Nash would make this team better...I genuinely believe we would have ended up in an almost identical situation to last time we had a legit top line scorer. This coming season, yeah sure we would improve....but as I have said many times, he wouldn't have been my first choice from the get go.
I also think he is being very smart with the financial uncertainty surrounding just about every aspect of the league...Why bother going nuts right now this season with so many ridiculous contracts being handed out when next year there is a real possibility that contracts are forced back to earth a little.
Damn I wish I could see what you see in Regin, all I see is an injury prone perimiter player with avg skill set.
Im actually ok with him being 3rd C, Im not expecting anything out of him to be honest, he hasnt shown anything in the past to prove he can be anything but a 3C.
I really want him to succeed but fail to see where fans see him as a key player...Key players are not signed 1 year at 800k, lol.
Either way I think he's done as a Senator after this year, NO WAY should we keep his services with the slew of better prospects battling to take his place.
Chirp, you've mentioned before that a lot of behind the scenes 'wallet-tighten ing' has been going on as well. What kinds of things have been cut back on?
I agree with you SC, even in 2-3 years, when we will be supposedly rdy to contend for a Cup (no idea where people get that number) even our best prospects, Zibby, Stone, Silf, Noesen dont project anywhere close to a Nash or Ryan.
So your right in saying we could have contended now and in the next 2-3 years with a Nash or Ryan in out top 3 with JS19 & MM9, our 2nd line still boast Alfie and Turris, possibly Silf.
Not saying we wont contend in 2-3 years with our prospects finally seeing action but its gonna take that top line winger a la Perry maybe? or some other UFA to push us over the top.
Just think at Nash or Ryan with the Sens now, we are instantly battling for tops in the East for years to come instead of 8th and it would have only cost us 1 prospect, 1 roster player, 1 pick and one of Lehner/Bishop.. .Huge win for the Sens.
No doubt had we signed Nash, at $7.8 million over many years, we immediately would have been more competitive going
forward, but fate sent him to the Rangers.
So, in 2-3 years, who knows how competitive we will be ??
I sincerely believe, that by being a "budget team" during the rebuild , will allow to reward the best players, who
will be showing true value for their money !! A few will
sign lucrative contracts during those years.
Signing a top 6 forward or top 4 defenceman, will also be more feasible in near future, when we see how we stack up
vs our top opponents !
Stay the course ,and see what develops !!
I will agree here. By not signing or trading for that big name top3 guy, it gives our guys that are performing well to thrive and room to breathe. Thus it may be better for their development than to always be playing behind a guy like Nash.
I also think that this years UFA class will be much better than the last 3 years, meaning the Sens, having the cap room, can make a pretty big splash. With our prospects getting that needed experience this year, adding a top3 forward through UFA could be what we need to compete with the big boys in the East (Pitts, NYR, Phili, CAROLINA?!?!?)
All it takes is 1 Perry or similar and bam.
He does write some really strong stuff but then sometimes he goes off the deep end on stats and it's hard to play that out with the nice lilt of a story.
For his sake I was hoping he wouldn't go off the deep end on this one but he did. Trying to carve a stats based niche out for himself I guess.
Curiously his article mentions to follow him on Twitter but doesn't mention HB at all.
Sure we will be able to make pitches for UFA's but how many quality 1st liners will there be and as we've seen were clearly not a primary destination so that's a really sketchy route to go with.
The other option is trading like were apparently trying to do now but instead in 3 years. I see a major issue with that. Prospects have major value for one reason. Each one of them hasn't seen any nhl time and therefore is still a complete guess as to wether he will pan out or not. For example Zibanejad right now has huge value because he just came off of a awesome showing at the WJC along with being a 6th overall pick. So every other team sees a big ceiling on the kid. If we would play him for a year or two like everyone seems to want to, he either becomes so good that we don't trade him or he's not good enough and we want to package him in a deal but he then has a much smaller value so there's no way to use him as the major piece in aquiring a guy like Nash or Ryan.
Right now we have like 6 prospects that have massive value in the trade market. If we wait 2-3 years all of a sudden that number will be down by at least half in terms of players with high trade value. And at that point you don't want to trade those valueble guys and at the same time nobody will want the guys that didn't pan out.
I think the management realizes this is the time to make a move. That's why they made a push for Nash. Even though the geniouses from here think he'll be useless in 3 years
Now is the time. Not in 3 years. At that point we won't have as many assets and also won't be willing to give up the few that we will
any chance you can change the sites background to reflect current roster players.
I keep seeing Kovalev, Foligno, Dono? ITS JUST TOO DEPRESSING
How is it depressing? Nice memories of the history of our franchise, all of those players had some great times here. Plus I love the graphical effect. :)
Maybe Chirp will hide in the rafters again this year to get a good overheard shot of the bench with our current squad. Chirp is many things, but afraid of heights is not one of them.
Id settle for Neilers fist in someones face or Spezza in behind 5 habs about to roof it top shelf where mama hides the cookies
A fine suggestion. Let me see what I can do. And by that, I mean let me see who I can find to help me do it.
People are always going back to the fact that were not ready to win now so we should wait 2-3 years to get big names. That's just silly talk
Wow he must have lost a bundle in his divorce. If he can't spend to keep the team competitive and a contender in the future.. by spending... then he had better look for a partner...
Now with Alfie back we are a bubble team. We will not flounder and be in a lottery position, nearly impossible, so I agree let's add a piece if we can and make a run.
I recall two or three people (me included) mentioning this very early last year and getting shouted down about it. But financial issues are a real concern - it's part of the reason we leased the new scoreboard rather than bought it outright for example.
I heard a rumour from one of the Senators accountants that serious thought was being given to having to ask the NHL to provide assistance with a loan for the operating budget to get through the season.
Primarily the problems seem to be a cashflow issue for Melnyk. but Melnyk's financial problems can become the Senators financial problems very quickly.
I find it hard to believe that Melnyk is not looking at the "Big Picture"
Sure the Ottawa Senators might be teetering somewhat, but,
ScotiaBank Place which Melnyk owns, is a money maker for sure.
He simply has to divert some cash from SBP revenues and profits, to help the hockey side of finances !
Now I see why, at one point during negotiations on a trade for Nash, it became a "budget issue "
Actually I stand corrected... 1) it is also products to help the ladies scream out in orgasmic ecstasy not just men and 2) he has recently sold his majority shares in that company (Trimel Corp).
They have brought in Methot, Lundin, Latendresse.
If healthy Latendresse may score more goals than Foligno.. and is a big body in front of the net.
Methot will play more minutes that Carkner.. block shots & hit... the difference is he is not a heavy-weight fighter -- but he has more skill.
Lundin I don't know too much about. I heard he played pretty well 2 seasons ago in Tampa's run to the Eastern Final.
So of the 4 out the door.. they did not replace Kuba's offense and the impact that will have on Karlsson.
Karlsson may get off to a slower start adjusting to a new partner. A lot of the Sens offense starts with Karlsson...
So how much worse is this team compared to last season? The key players are still here.. with at least 1 or 2 prospects coming into the lineup.
Looking at the division... did Boston get anybody? (I can't remember). Toronto really did nothing. Buffalo got Ott & John Scott. Montreal got Prust.
Now the Sens have big problems beating Boston & Montreal... They have to be better against those 2 teams to get a good seating in the Division and hope they are better than those other teams fighting for 6, 7 or 8th spot.
Injuries will be key.. but the Sens have very good goaltending depth which could make a big difference this season.
Barring injuries this is why once again we should fall in the 7-10 range in the East.
Cheers
If you thumbed down my posts and Sandy's why don't you elaborate and tell us why you think we're incorrect? That is where the logic 1) our squad is similar to last year 2) nobody else in the division did much 3) as such we should finish similarly in the standings.
Come on! I know you can do it unless you are only rocking a "mouse" but not a keyboard.
Couldn't agree more. 3 paragraphs is exactly as far as I made it. Dude needs to take an English writing course, way too many words and run on sentences, he ends up confusing himself out of making a point.
And don't get me started On the stats. All's i can say is "way to make hockey (the coolest thing ever) extremely nerdy and boring"
I like yost as long as he doesn't bring stats into it
I gave you a Thumbs up man, brought you back to even haha, the person who gave you a thumbs down is probably Miguel, he thinks were battling out for tops in the east.
With Soft(Tenderness ) & Softer(Regin) leading the way!
I was wondering how long it would take you to try and egg/lure miguel out of retirement. I think he's as steadfast as Alfie on this one though! :)
I think this team would be more competitive this year and in 2-3 years if we had made a trade for Nash/Ryan. The Sens have so many potential top 6 prospects right now, that removing a few from the roster actually makes very little difference long term if we had added that true top 3 piece.
With respect to how long it will take the rebuild to match what could have happened this year with a top 3 winger through trade, I think it will take 2 years, when our roster looks similar to this:
Noesen - Spezza - Stone
Michalek - Turris - Silfverburg
Greening - Smith - Zibanejad
Hoffman/Petersson/whoever - O'Brien - Neil
Cowen - Karlsson
Methot - Ceci
Phillips/Wiercioch - Boro/Claesson
Lehner
Anderson
However I still think a team with Nash/Ryan outperforms the above team as long as Lehner is not in the trade.
Well not much fo a difference and they dont do enough of the hard play to justify NOT calling them soft. Latendresse maybe is a bit more physical but whats the point when you break in pieces...Regin well, he's as hard as paper...
Maybe to stay healthy they will have to lay off the physicality a bit I guess, that is one of the risks of signing injury prone guys though and I'm sure our staff realized that...
Whether or not Regin can be tougher than paper, let's revisit this 10 weeks or so. ;)
Its nice to have all those prospects but not ALL of them will make or be on this team, maybe 1-2 of them will actually be a productive NHL'er, closer to 1 actually.
You cant be serious when you put Stone and Noesen in the top 3 and expect them to be legit top 3 NHL'ers. Aint gonna happen.
Philly has very good forwards.. but unless they get help on defense -- going with what they have.. are they good enough? Who knows how Bryzgalov plays... I'm not really sold on him.
Tookie, 1st I said our roster will look similar to that, who they put on L1 vs L2 is up to the coach. No I'm not saying in 2 years Stone and Noesen will be league wide top 3 players, I'm saying they'll be in our top 6. After Spezza we have no clear cut top 3 players but someone will have to play with him.
With respect to the number of prospects that won't work out, from my review I'd expect Puempel to possibly be a miss or a longer development process, Zibanejad is at least a 3rd liner no matter what, Silfverburg is highly likely to be a top 6 player, Noesen in my books is a for sure NHLer and Stone, though a fav of mine, is probably the most likely not to make it. But really, the Sens draft prospets that are more guaranteed to contribute in the NHL, but not be top end superstars, so it's reasonable to expect a better than average success rate in terms of having them make the NHL.
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Especially the 3 goals in the playoff bit, lol, and people saying he has so much untapped potential...fun ny.
Haha, that's awesome man, love the response!
Boston will not be as strong against us, the curse of tim thomas is gone, boston no longer has the #1 tandem in the league.
NJ will witness an aging brodeur who was great to see him perform as well as he did in the last playoff run. Always had been a brodeur fan and have his team canada jersey from 2002.
NYR and Philly have huge media pressure and i cant see NYR being as good as last year since they seemed to come alive while under the spotlight of HBO.
MTL, TOR not much improvement although MTL did tank last year, just not against us. TOR seemed to do they same after they realized that MTL was taking a dive, The difference is TOR was just lucky when the won to match up against a slumping opponent.
I still believe our team will be better than last year, with Mclean now finding a comfort spot knowing the players and the players knowing the system, we have a better backup goalie whoever it may be, we dropped our weakest links and we have some swagger leading us into the season and i can't see us losing like we did at the begining of last year. We can win our division title.
We will be better even with the way our roster is now.
Go Sens
Weren't you singing the praises of Desharnais yesterday?
Ahh ok my bad, in that case, yes they may very well be in our top 3 but not by choice. Unless 1 of them turns out to be the real deal, which i'm hoping its Noesen.
I also think Hoffman (yes Jakester, I said it) will shock people come training camp and earn a spot on the top line with JS19 & MM9. His 2 way does limit him in playing with the big club but I think he's our best option on that top line.
Michalek Spezza Hoffman/Greening
Silfverberg Turris Alfie
Latendresse Regin Condra
JOB Smith Neil
Daug
I'm with you on Noesen, I think he has a chance to be our best all around offensive prospect we have right now.
I like Hoffman a lot too, not sure I'd put him on the 1st line, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him beat out Daugavins, Condra and maybe even Regin and Latendresse.
Yes and whats your point?
Desharnais 5'7 175lbs
NHL totals 2 years 130gp
Regin 6'2 205lbs
NHL totals 3 years 141gp
Not to mention Desharnais doubles him in pts.
Not trying to be argumentative here, but 4 points in 10 games is only about a 32-33pt pace on the season, which is right where I'd expect him to be on the 3rd line if healthy all year. He's a good all around player, who may not have the skill he needs to be a top 6 caliber finisher.
Put another way, Regin is not better than Foligno and there were tons of people complaining about him in the top 6, though undeserved.
Based on your response essentially showing durability, you seem to be using "soft" and "injury prone" as synonyms. I guess I use those terms differently.
I do not challenge the fact that Latendresse and Regin are injury prone. And I actually agree that they are both "soft" players, as in not physical. Desharnais also fits that description.
The point is that not every player is Dustin Brown. Every team has soft players. They contribute in other ways. Some may be offensive player (Desharnais/Lat endresse) and some may be role players (Regin).
To expect that every player on the team will be a physical force is unrealistic. The fact that some players are soft doesn't make them useless.
Hey Tookie, do you really think Hoffman will outperform Stone, Zibanejad, Noesen and Petersson this camp? Is it his all around game that you like, or do you see him as an offensive player in the NHL? Just curious, i like the bold prediction.
The fact that they've played a handfull of games in the past 3-4 years shows me that they cannot be dependable, someone said Regin could be Maclean's most reliable player, lol, what are you smoking, Maclean isnt thats stupid to depend on an injury prone player, he's not going to put himself and the team behind the eightball, he has many other options that are way better and dont break if sneezed upon. Regin is most likely the last person Maclean will depend on.
Its not like Maclean loves Regin, hell he hasnt even played a season under him, he's gonna go with guys that are dependable and that he knows well.
Enough with the Regin talk, its kinda stupid debating a bottom 6 player.
I really wanna know who will play top line with 19 & 9, I'm assuming the 2nd line will be 33, 7 & 11.
It also shows 30 non-roster players.. so that's a total of 50 contracts. No wonder they bought out Butler.
Now if the CHL eligibles in Puemple & Noeson go back.. that takes the Sens to 48 contracts.
I don't know if the ECHL (ie Elmira Jackels) players -- ie Cowick & Caporusso count against the number if they play there.. like they did last season.
My worry is if they play next season under the old CBA.. and there is no change to the cap floor of 54.2M.. then 10 teams have to scramble to get there... That's an issue.
i dont know what math you are using but 4 points in 10 games translates more to 30-35 points in 82 games not 40-50 points
i dont think anyone is doubting regins skills as a player if he stays healthy. he will probably end up in the 30-45 point range but playing predominantly as a 3rd line center with some top 6 time and pp time wont be too bad at all
where people get frustrated with regin is the health issue. if he doesnt stay healthy this will be his last season in the NHL
Well from what I've seen in Dev camp, it wasnt even close, he blew away all 3 of our 1st round picks and only Noesen gets a pass for a broken wrist.
Couple that with a pretty good season in Bingo, he looked like a man among boys.
He's going to be an offensive player for sure, on 5 vs 5 he has Zib, Noesen and Puempel running around like if they were on the PK and Hoffman and Pageau on the PP, was ridiculous.
If he shows the same amount of desire in the main camp, who knows what Murray will do. Only thing is we have too many FW's now and Hoffman's 2 way will keep him in Bingo.
Not 100% on this but I think only players playing in professional leagues count against the max 50.
My prediction is that Silverberg will at least start on the first line.
Latendresse will be on the second with Turris and Alfie. Comments by both Murrays and the player after his signing implied he was brougt in to be part of the top 6, so I assume he'll start there.
33-19-9
73-7-11
50 contracts is 50 contracts doesnt matter where the players are playing
edit: if the player is 18 or 19 and sent back to junior their contracts dont count against the 50 contracts
but in the case of players 20 or over their contracts count against the 50 no matter where they play
Makes sense, though the competition was obviously not NHL caliber, he did dominate pretty well, I'm just not sure how his offense will translate. I think he has the all around game though.
Frustrates me that we left almost no room for the prospects to have a chance, so many quality players being stuck because of their 2ways once again.
TCharger wins again!
Couldnt resist had to support my man RUSH,
never mind the thumbs, your posts are always bang on, and backed up with facts... keep it up in my absence...
Regin and Latendresse, one of them will pay off with over 50 points... BOOK IT!
And dont let the Welcher con you into thinking otherwise
Back in Sept... or maybe tomorrow :)
I could live with that, until 73 gets hurt or 33 struggles? Then what?
Demote 33 to 2nd line and call up Stone/Zib/Noese n for top line duty?
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73-7-11
That has to be how it starts...barrin g another move. Hopefully Latendresse manages to stay healthy, I won't hold me breath though.
Alright, looks good to me, here's hoping they get off on a better foot than last year.
What do you think of this PP:
9/33-7-11
19-65
Haha
Miguel is back after a one day hold-out?
Stevie Wonder could have seen that coming.
Indeed, its funny he still calls me a welcher and then welches on his own committment, lol.
Our PP combos can be really interesting. That one right there is pretty wild, but doesn't leave us much else. 9/33 I would basically run with who has the hotter hand. Then maybe
9/33-13-14
55-2
It is kind of ironic, eh?
Touche Boom Touche...
Anyone think Latendresse may get a look at playing wiht Spezza, while Silfver plays with Turris and Alfie... 1A 1B?
73-19-9
33-7-11
FAK whats wrong with me, I blame it all you and your posts...
See you in Sept... I mean it this time... but no I wont bet on it.
Silfverberg-Turris-Alfie
Condra-Regin-Latendresse
O'Brien-Smith-Neil
Daugavins
Pretty solid lineup there. I think Zib and Stone start in the AHL so they get consistent top-six minutes, get acclimatized to the speed of the game, and for Zib, the size of the ice. Chances are Zib gets the call-up once Regin/Latendres s get injured. Stone plays the majority of the season in the AHL but Sens brass give him a long look this pre-season.
The knock on Stone is his skating. I think he'd be a solid replacement for Greening as their L1 power forward if he can have similar success in the AHL. The play will be significantly faster and Stone won't be as dominant size-wise.
Zib needs to take his time and make sure his body matures properly. Two concussions in one year for a 20 year old is a big concern for the Sens organization long-term hence why they've been trying to trade him. Buy low, sell high before he's three concussions in.
Going to be an interesting year in Ottawa. If everyone can play to their potential they will be back in the playoffs. It's fair to expect regression from Karlsson but Sens management is hoping that a full year of Turris and Silfverberg will more than make up for reduced production from Karlsson and perhaps Alfie.
Quoting miguel:
Don't leave...the more posters the better, but let bygones be bygones and drop the bet stuff.
Don't stay away on my account. Like I said, I enjoy your posts. I also enjoy Tookie's, but I reserve the right to disagree with both of you...
1)
in terms of Senators financial woes, based on what i've heard, Sens aren't just a budget team specific to player salaries. there have been significant cuts throughout the entire organization and the people running the show; Murrays, Dorion etc are doing the job of multiple people currently. The scoreboard was subsidized substantially by partners.
2)
if Latendresse stays healthy, he puts up over 50 points and 25 goals, it's a big if but he's also on a one way contract and likely comitted to better fitness over the summer
3)
Anyone worried about there not being enough room for the prospects because of 1 way contracts, don't be... most of our one way contracts are easily moveable if a guy plays his way onto the team. We aren't exaclty riddled with high end proven talent commanding top dollar.
I think Latendresse will get a look, along with just about anyone with some scoring ability.
I think we all have days where we get frustrated at some responses on here, or people not honoring bets, but don't stay away miguel, it will make it an even longer summer for ya.
thanks guys,
but really, disagree with me... how when I am always right...
just ask my wife :) she says I am stubborn... no such thing as a stubborn Italian!
Good topics today keep it up guys:
where there is smoke there is fire... This Melnyk thing is really starting to concern me
Forwards, I am convinced we are in for some wonderful surprises
One of
Slifver, Stone, Latendresse, Regin, Zibby, Hoffman, even Da Costa will prove 1st line status.
Just looking to discuss the 3rd one as I agree with the other two. But given the history of this team the last 2 years, they give priority to 1 way contracts and non-rookies. The players these rookies would replace on the roster are pretty much untradeable, like Butler and Lee was for so long.
If management is willing to waive a Regin, Daug or whoever if they aren't one of the 13-14 best then great, but I just don't see any historical evidence to suggest that.
Damn Miguel I guess you're a WELCHER too now huh? Oh well maybe this is a positive thing, since you and Tookie are both 'Welchers' you two have something in common! Now maybe you can both just comment on each others posts and call each other Welchers as a term of endearment.
I love happy endings :)
I could live with that, until 73 gets hurt or 33 struggles? Then what?
Demote 33 to 2nd line and call up Stone/Zib/Noese n for top line duty?
I think you hit the nail on the head. What's keeping me up at night is the lack of depth for offensive forwards.
Does Alfie continue to defy Father time?
Does MM9 duplicate his best year as a Sens?
Does Turris live up to potential?
Does latendresse rebound from his injuries?
Can silverberg show he is a rising star?
Then what? Greeening, Regin, Zbad?
Lady Luck better be on the Sens side once more.
If all the players you mention stay healthy,
alfie = same production as last year
9mm = more goals and assists
Turris = better than anyone could have guessed
Latendresse = a steal of a contract/suck it mtl
Silf = rookie of the year (runner up mark stone)
Greening = best 3rd liner in NHL
Regin = a waste of money
Zbad = traded for Corey Perry
Alfie - likely equal or slight decline(it has to happen eventually right??)
9MM - slight decline
Turris - 23.....he will continue the trend
Latendresse - will silence doubters for a bit but end up hurt again by the mid point of season again
Silf - Will start really strong...contin ue really strong...end even stronger(runner up for rookie of the year)
Greening - agreed, will also become a bit meaner
Regin- pretty much Latendresse x 2
Zibby - Won't be a Sen by end of season
I agree with Chirp. Regin has potential to still play with Spezza as he is an amazing forward to watch he can skate pretty smoothly with the puck through the offensive zone. Here are some good examples of him scoring with his smooth skating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bg1SLCYmLw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0StspBa874
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe3z9IPePtk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMg3OaHEc3s&feature=related
When you watch him, he makes it look so easy with his skating. If he stayed healthy I think he is a big impact player for the Sens. No question. If he does not stay healthy then he is probably going to be traded or let go by the Sens organization. With this being a big year for him to show he needs to stay healthy, I think we are going to see a very motivated Peter Regin.
Side note. For the people saying we lost all out toughness 3-4 posts back or so, I think Zach Smith is going to step into the role as a tough guy like a Chris Neil type player. Also Mart Methot, I think he could deliver a mean punch so I would not want to be near that if it went off lol.
If they're getting screwed, then it's by each other...
Does Alfie continue to defy Father time?
Does MM9 duplicate his best year as a Sens?
Does Turris live up to potential?
Does latendresse rebound from his injuries?
Can silverberg show he is a rising star?
Then what? Greeening, Regin, Zbad?
I suppose I should give it a shot too since others are nice enough to share their opinions:
Alfie decline to approx 20 goals
MM9 slight decline
Turris great year
latendresse 15 goals
Silverberg 18 goals
Greening, regin: 18 goals combined
Zbad AHL
Miguel and Tookie up in a tree .......
I just mean that it is not fair with the Big market teams vs the small market teams. Hard to compete with each other and the cap was suppose to solve that. Well we are paying players more then we have ever and small market teams cant afford to pay it. Atlanta was the 1st to go, now the coyotes are going to go regardless if they get a deal done or not in Pheonix. Just not a big enough market to support the Coyotes anymore. They are loosing fans because of the crap going on about them moving or not. Hopefully the CBA helps bring things back down to earth a bit. Cant keep going on this trend or we will have the original 6 once again.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Brian-Huddle/Top-10-Prospects-Ottawa-Senators/153/45926
Unusual ordering.
With the players he listed I would go something along these lines(I think he is lost)
Silfverberg
Lehner(assuming he keeps a cool head)
Zibby
Ceci
Noeson
Stone
Puempel
Prince
Maidens
Da Costa
I would likely have Hoffman ahead of Maidens/Da costa
You're absolutely right, and I apologize for that outburst. But as for friending Peter Regin on Facebook, all lies bro!
http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
Finally took a break from his tablet
That's why they have to fix the cap at about 60 or 65M. Find some other way to share any revenue over that... The more the cap rises the more it is the big markets get everything and the small markets get everything else. It will be the same way since before the last CBA. Parity will be gone...
All they need to do is make a rule that you have to pay out contracts in equal amounts over the years and perhaps only adjust the salary cap once every say 3 years vs every year.
Aside from the NYR landing NAsh in a trade which isn't really related, what big market team had a big market style off season? Detroit, Toronto, MTL, Philly? nope. I'm sure there is one but i can't think of them
Just had a thought; wouldnt it be interesting if you signed players to %'s of the total cap that adjusted annually vs $? Players got that % amount of cash each year and teams had to spend say 60% at a minimum? not sure if that would change anything but could be interesting.
He is not saying anything is imminent whatsoever but still this Tweet is concerning...
**UPDATED NHL NEWS**Source: Sharp / Getzlaf / Ryan one would look good in #Toronto #Leafs getting closer to big trade.. Burke working phones
Would they really make that leap though with the goaltending situation as is? I would think in a non insane world they would try to shore that up first....
Do you really believe that in say, 2-3 years, this team will be more competitive than they would have been had they added a guy like Rick Nash/Bobby Ryan?"
The thing is, the Sens did in fact try to get Nash. So clearly it's not a budget issue (Ryan's contract is in fact more affordable than Nash's). It's a case of being a low-spending team going through a rebuild but still willing to make a splash if - and only if - it can accelerate our return to contender status. Our postseason strategy seems to have been "either Nash, or stay the course", and I for one am perfectly comfortable with that.
Tookie = Carl Carlson
Miguel = Lenny Leonard
Eugene's problem is "Cash Flow". To his wife, to Heatley (he never got over that), to his lawyers and to himself now that he has nothing else left. I don't begrude him his profit but he is doing better with the SENs than he is telling us. You are seeing what's happening in no spend Toronto, the Jays and the Leafs are shot. Example Business expenses $45 - 50 million a year on the books...it could be 30 or it could be $70, just ask my accountant...no te the accountants like you to brake even every year for the benifit of the tax man. I hope were good on the ice this year because our financial plan "Stinks!"
I really can't see Anaheim trading Getzlaf. He is a #1 centre and they have no one in their lineup or prospects that can replace him.. and they sure as hell won't get one back in a trade.
Why would any team, who has a #1 centre, trade him away.. leaving a big whole in the lineup that could take years to replace? It makes no sense.
I think either fan base would be pretty cheesed off should the other manage a 'coup' and land a player of Ryan or Getzlaf caliber.
Enjoy your weekend!
Joe Thornton?
Exactly. In our division it has been like "mutually assured non-destruction " to this point, the first team that does make a brash move like that though? The other fan bases will be pissed.
If the dummies at the ACC landed a Nash or Ryan type player, I would also be livid.
edit: surely we can provide more in a trade and have about 10X the depth than those dummies...
What?
F
Canucnik - water bester taystey where poor Lehner haded
But I shall leave it be if the season starts and the team is good!
They may push all they want.. but what do they have to give up? So he wants Getzlaf & then try to sign Perry as a UFA.. that is Burke's plan.. to re-unite what Murray drafted. The Sharks will realize this.. they lose their top 2 players to the Leafs?
It would start with Gardiner.. probably one of Lupul or Kessel ++ -- they won't get him for peanuts.. like most Leaf fans think. They also have no centreman to send back unless it's Bozak.. and he surely is no #1 centre.
I read Hockeybuzz from time to time... mostly to get a laugh.. but the Sharks blogger is now suggesting that the Sharks are in on Doan. He also stated that it was Buffalo that offered the $30M contract (7.5M a yr).. now he says the price is up to 4 yrs @ 8M a season. He also said the Sharks have around a 5M cap room... so someone has to go.
Maybe the Leafs should target Thornton..
Wrong. That would make Miguel a liar.
You're still the only example of the lowest life form of all - a WELCHER.
Can anybody translate this ?
Is it Creole ?
i think this was intended for me and it kinds seems like a bunch of random thoughts that dont really tie together.
here's my take at an interpretation;
Heatley and EUGE's wife both fucked him out of a bunch of dough, his wife was clearly more expensive but he also likely got more than one season outta her. As a result, his lawyers took their chunk of flesh while pretending to have personal concern for his well being.
EUGE is actually making money off the Sens but hiding it (i just dunno about that right now...)
this is somehow parrallel to the Leafs and Jays (agian i just dunno about that right now...)
Accountants like their clients to break even each year for taxation puposes (i agree, this is what my accountant does)
THERE HOW WAS THAT?...
Show us offside charts by player and last sens player have control of puck before a goal against, something we could improve from.
Sooo bored need hockey... started watching games on the cbc website, wish you could search by team. ANY NEWS ON A BELL CBCO HD CHANNEL ON BELL?
Cheers.
that is a filthy line (minus whoever that LW is.)
and noesen looks very big/strong out there
Gonchar is gone after this year also.
I don't hate on the guy or anything but the money he is paid could be better spent I think.
On the spending front of EM I think he is finally making money on the Sens the way we are.
I don't think he wants to part from that but will if it makes sense.
Ie Nash or Ryan caliber player.
Long off season as always but at least we have Olympics to distract us a bit.
looks like murray went off the map and found a diamond masked as coal. that being said i think obrien played on team usa's top line in the wj..
noesen clearly looks to have a much higher cieling than job though...
Gaudreau is a nifty little player the Flames drafted. He may be the Martin St. Louis that they don't trade away for a bag of pucks. For those who don't know, we actually cut Marty loose before the Flames did as he was an undrafted training camp invitee back in 97.
http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4006:2013-draft-sean-mr-clutch-monahan&catid=906:the-deans-list&Itemid=117
You guys are friggin nuts!
Develop this team from the inside and keep our picks
Although he is a very good young player... I'm on the side of not giving up what it takes to get him for a 3 yr rental..
go sens go
Improve diet...work out
I need to find time to add the workout in...Hopi g to do p90x
P90X is a real good program. No shame in pausing it from time to time and taking a sip of water. At recording time, Tony and (blonde) Dreya were 45 and 46 years old. If they can do it, you can do it.
This will work guaranteed!
eat less / move more...
Latendresse is that you??
However I'm happy to say that NHL 13 comes out in a little over a month which means the soundtrack is set to release in the coming days. I heard they might incorporate hiphop for the first time in a long while. Ugh.
shane prince should have made it last year, hopefully that won't happen again.
Am i totaly crazy or i would be happy if we trade for Martin Havlat back in Sens Jersey??
Why??
He was appreciated in the Sens Locker room
He knoes Alfie,Neil,Phil lips,Spezza and Michalek (his best friend) very well
He loved Ottawa and said to Michalek how he enjoyed the city and the fan.
Has 3 years left and 5 millions each years of his contract
I know the big question is: Can he stay healthy?? But he is a real top 6 forwards with skills,hands and vision.
Trading Greening, Da Costa and a 3rd for him could be enough??
It won't happen but Havlat was my favorite player when he was to Ottawa.
olympics on the go..that has every major sports network attention for the next 6 days from my post
Don't think the Sens trade Greening.. I think he is McLean's type of player.. and the type of personality they want on the team... Marty was one of my favorite players as well as Hossa... but I guess you can't go back..
I don't like watching soccer but watched about 2 min of the US players diving all over the place.. that was enough for me...
La tienne en premier, pas de disputes sur le blogue de Chirp!
As for Regin, it's like found money. The guy has tons of speed, can add it a very respectable work ethic and some decent scoring. Depth is good...and so is competion, if Z-bad sees he has to tackle Regin for that job, it may light a fire under him.
Not a fan of any kind of women's sports since its just terrible quality. But this is an exciting game and a classic example of Olympic match fixing
Don't use Pascale LeClaire as your training partner and don't use Greco, hear he "Extends" training to get a few more bucks out of you.
right now he just scored another pp goal against team white usa.
I can only imagine him getting those pp goals, alfie style like he did in the wjc last year.
i read that zib's was a laser from the right point
score was 3-3 tied after 2nd
I always go back to that 3 on 3 in development camp and re-watch the highlights - he looked like a load to handle. When he decides to drive the net he can. Plus Noesen was dipsy doodling all over the ice. Those 2 are real fun to watch. 2 powerful guys with skill.
I would piddle my self in excitement if Marty came back... I actually became a side Blackhawks fan the day he got traded for that bag of pucks
The Red Wings are still looking to fill a defensive spot and today I was told by some reliable sources that the Wings, who are considering Rozsival, may also be looking hard at Keith Yandle and possibly even Sergei Gonchar to fill the void left by Lidstrom. In my opinion, Rozsival remains the odds on favorite, but I was cautioned to continue to expect Gm Holland to go "outside the box more than anyone is currently is predicting...
Time to get an article from Tom Says ??
Would be refreshing to get out of this Regin story after
a whole 6 days !!