He'll earn $635,000 next season.
With Daugavins under contract, Stephane Da Costa is the lone remaining RFA without a contract. According to folks I talked to late last week, a deal with Da Costa should be done in the near future.
Monday, 23 July 2012 08:45
Sens Sign Daugavins
The Ottawa Senators have crossed another restricted free agent off their To Do list this morning, reaching a one year/one way agreement with forward Kaspars Daugavins.
The Latvian born winger appeared in 65 games with the Sens last year, picking up 11 points and 12 penalty minutes. With the signing, Daugavins avoids an arbitration hearing that was scheduled for tomorrow.
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One way.
Edit: Boo
I'm probably missing something here...
Still gotta think they are looking for that quantity for quality type deal. 13 guys on one ways right now, excluding Silfverberg, Zibanejad and Stone.
Michalek Spezza Silf
LG Turris Alfie
Next game
Michalek Turris Stone
Regin Da Costa Butler
I don't know though.
We don't know for sure about Alfie yet.
Regin will probably go down a short way into the season.
We are likely going to have more injuries than last year.
We can probably waive Butler to Bingo. I doubt anyone will claim him.
I'd still be open to a Q for Q trade, but I'm open to good depth as well.
Maybe even get some split-squad action going.
and have the other squad waiting in toranta for the next game if we have back to backs or something
Potentially we could just play ourselves and rack up ridic amount of points
I'd rather keep Winchester who has concussion problems than give this guy a one-way deal.
Hopefully he's traded or sits in the press box.
Relax. The season hasn't started yet and long before the season gets underway the roster will be sorted out. Murray will move a couple of forwards out (Daugavins might even be one of them).
Better to sign him now to a deal that makes him easy to move than let it go to arbitration.
No need to shit on the player just because you can't understand that.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/75279/ottawa-senators-2012-draft-review/
I trust Murray has a plan.
Ya I'd rather give Daug's spot to someone like Zib, Da Costa, Stone or even Petersen. All three are better hockey players. But even without those guys, we already have a bottom six that features Smith, Neil, Regin, O'brien, Condra, Greening, Butler so it's already full.
I see Daug as the odd-man out on a normal night, and slotting in if there's injury.
But even then I'd rather someone else.
And expect Butler be tossed in to any trade to simply unload the guy. He's not a bottom six player and hasn't shown nearly enough to be worth a top 6 slot on our team.
A move absolutely has to happen, if there isn't a space for silfverburg I will be pretty livid.
Michalek - Spezza - Silfverberg
Latendresse - Turris - Alfredsson
Regin - Smith - Neil
Greening - O'Brien - Condra
Daugavins receiving this 1-way deal, there's still Butler with a 1-way who's gonna sit in the pressbox or be waived. Take into account that Zibanejad & Stone have legitimate chances at cracking the team. Good then. I missed the Sens prospects camp this year so it gives us a chance to see them next Summer then. Still a pretty weak top 6 team IMO.
We seriously need to stop wasting Spezza's time with randomly inserting wingers. Every team's got a top line centre with a sniping winger and ever since Heatley departed, for the last 3 seasons, we've seen Butler, Greening and at times other 3rd line players play with Spezza. Now we're through beating ourselves attempting to obtain the services of Nash to put him on Spezza's line, which would have been sick but he would rather play elsewhere so fuck him. Seriously, as good as Michalek is, we gotta add a 1st rounder sniper to go along with Spezz & Michalek to really be a threat on the top line. We will just have to see how Latendresse turns out but we know this is not permanent. The 1st rounders in Noesen, Puempel, Zibanejad (assuming they're not traded as bait) will have been old enough and played in the AHL long enough to finally be top 6 players. I still will wait patiently for that day.
I agree. Ottawa needs to shed some bottom 6 guys... too many of them.
I thought our prospects were good and ready.
This doesn't necessarily mean we're making a trade, maybe Murray wants zibby and stone to play one full year in the A?
People on here think that they know more than the management
Agreed (and the idea of letting our prospects chill in Bingo is possible as well - though I'm thinking trade is more likely).
Soooo many people freaking out here it's not even funny.
I don't think anyone's claiming to know more, we're just saying "explain yourselves" to management. There are 13 forwards on 1ways, AND that doesn't include any of Silfverburg, Zibanejad or Stone, let alone Hoffman, Noesen, Peterson and Da Costa. They have left little room for the rookies to even make the team if Alfie is coming back ...
If anyone can honestly say that they would prefer Daug to Silfverberg on our roster I would have to ask what they were smoking.
Good for him
People freaking out because we have a couple extra forwards...I love it.
Remember guys, it's hockey. Injuries WILL happen, as well as you're criticizing a guy like Daug, who does all the little things that win games.
Block shots/kill penalties etc.
In BM we trust.
Go Sens Go!!!!!!!
Every NHL team has more than 12 forwards on it. They may have more 2-way guys but that doesn't necessarily mean those guys will be sent down every time they're not dressing.
All coaches like to switch up the lineup depending on the opponent.
And remember there will be injuries. I'm not saying Regin and Latendresse are guaranteed to be injured like most are saying. However there will be injuries and maybe even to key players.
Think about this for second...what happens in Spezza gets injured??
To me if that happens for a long period of time I look at our roster and the only thing I can think of is that our roster would be by far the worst in the NHL. There is no way we could win over 50% of our games if he was out.
I'm praying it doesn't happen. But while I say that I can't help but think the Murray's have also thought of this and realize they need a second superstar on offense to carry the team when need be. This is why I think we still will have another go at Nash
Note: All our extra guys have value...Bryan Murray's experience is showing...watch for the next lesson!
GO SENS GO - I trust you BM
Murray compared DaCosta's vision to Oates.
Just bring up DaOatesa and watch the sparks fly...
As for Silfver, let him and Zib hit the AHL track to get used to the smaller rinks and more gritty, physical play...
Chilzamoso amigo...Daug man is a good character guy, great in the room. Depth is good right?
Glad to see the Sens give him another year to prove his worth
when players look up and seen the names of 13 one way forwards you just gotta feel for them, as if there is no hope. in the best interest for future stars Stone, Zibanejad and Silfverberg, trade 3 forwards for one.
The talk about Butler had me thinking. Didn't he come up in the playoffs and play some of his best Hockey in those 3 games? I mean, he didn't light up the score sheet, but nobody did really. I do recall some people on here being very impressed with his call up work.
Spezza can't play in the playoffs? You're joking right...
2002–03 Ottawa Senators NHL 3 1 1 2 0
2003–04 Ottawa Senators NHL 3 0 0 0 2
2004–05 Binghamton Senators AHL 6 1 3 4 6
2005–06 Ottawa Senators NHL 10 5 9 14 2
2006–07 Ottawa Senators NHL 20 7 15 22 10
2007–08 Ottawa Senators NHL 4 0 1 1 0
2008–09 Ottawa Senators NHL — — — — —
2009–10 Ottawa Senators NHL 6 1 6 7 4
2010–11 Ottawa Senators NHL — — — — —
2011–12 Ottawa Senators NHL 7 3 2 5 8
OHL totals 20 9 11 20 28
NHL totals 53 17 34 51 26
He is a point a game in the playoffs... I hope you realize that.
If you don't score like Gretzky, means that you can't play well
Yeah Butler did look good in the playoffs. I think there's still a chance he sticks in the top 6 somewhere but he'd have to really turn things up quick - he's already been passed by Silfverberg and Stone and Noesen and Zibanejad are nipping at his heels.
Should be an interesting camp.
I agree, very interesting indeed. Man I can't wait!!!!
Defenceman Lubomir Visnovsky has filed a grievance through the NHL Players' Association to void his trade to New York Islanders, according to Newsday.
Arthur Staple of Newsday reports that Visnovsky claims his no-trade clause - put in place for his contract with the Edmonton Oilers - is still valid because he did not invoke it when he was dealt to the Anaheim Ducks in 2010.
"This isn't an issue with the (Islanders)," Visnovsky's agent Neil Sheehy told Newsday. "It's a matter for the NHLPA/NHL to decide. He has a no-trade clause."
An arbitrator is expected to make a decision on the claim. Visnovsky has one season remaining on his contract which will pay him $3 million next season, while his contract carries a cap hit of $5.6 million.
The Anaheim Ducks traded Visnovsky, 35, to the Islanders last month for a second-round pick in the 2013 Draft.
I'd be ok with either situation but reaching the cap would become substantially harder if we shipped contracts out for picks...
Maybe Alfie can sign an extension worth 8 mil..?
Is he trying to go back to Edmonton?? This is going to set an interesting precedent...
My first question is whether he's just trying to ensure his NTC continues in his contract or clarify if it has run out.
Obviously no one wants to go the island, but he's not saying anything detrimental to that happening. Hopefully just a situation of "request for clarification".
Maybe we should trade Spezza to another team for 15 B-level prospects, 10 spare parts and a goalie.. just lke your proposed Nash trades
First off, reaching the floor won't be difficult as long as we don't trade away the slightly higher paid bottom six guys for non-NHL guys and do nothing else. Even then we'd be very close and would likely be over the floor by season's end given call-ups and minor injuries (i.e. not LTIR). Not sure on the rules though if you can start the season below the floor and make it up during the year.
But making the floor is soooooo not going to be a problem.
Secondly, if Alfie signs an extension is has zero impact on our cap for this coming season. The only thing (if legal under the CBA) that could happen with Alfie that has any impact on our cap number for this season would be if we buy out the last year of his contract and sign him to a new one. The new one would be added to our cap and the old one wouldn't change at all (in terms of cap).
Rick Nash trade to New York Rangers in process now. Details to follow.
Oh well?? Good
Although that makes them look even better
Mrs Nash must be ecstatic.
I assume s=six....Snoopy Senior is going to lose his shit lmao
I think the S means 4. Blackberry slip up.
Dubinsky/Erixson/1st
yeah whatever the +1 is isn't going to make that deal look fair.
Yes I think at this point this is comparable (somewhat) to what Heatley did to Ottawa.I really think that Nash was thinking NYR all the way, and that Howson was just handcuffed.
I sure as hell think that the sens were offering a lot more than that...
And Anisimov apparently....i ts an alright deal, but ouch. I probably would take that over what we got for Douchley
Only thing serviceable was Michalek(Not sure what that second rd pick became)
To NYR
Mrs Nash
Mr Nash
To CLB
Mark Messier
Lifetime supply of Messier's lays chips
7th round conditional in 2018
The NYR owner or gm's cigars (they kept showing him in the playoffs)
And there you go, 4 pieces to CLB.
And, Howsen got fleeced... But it's not his fault. Nash handcuffed him like heatley handcuffed us
Ryan?!?!?
Would Anahiem really want to move Ryan now, seeing what CLB got for Nash? I think the deal would have to blow them away. And that deal didn't blow anyone away.
Spezza > Brad Richards
Yeah I guess so eh...hadn't really thought of it that way, that isn't a great deal of motivation to move a star.
Screw the few teams ..Murray needs to step up and make a bold move ..Eastern conference just got a whole lot more competitive and stronger
And it's such a piss off because the Rags are going to be even better. Didnt lose a single piece worth mentioning. Dubi is overrated and overpaid, LOL Anisimov, and Erixon wasnt even on their roster.
The more I think about it though, it isn't really THAT much worse than our rumored deal. Our 1st likely would have been better but Zibby, is 99% 2nd line at best.(drawing blanks on what else was included)Quoting BudgetTeam:
Offer sheet E Kane!
Why does it feel like there is some secret plot to hold canadian teams back lol
Kudos to the Rangers in getting Nash, these guys were expendable.
WOW Plus he sent other stuff...UNREAL.
I don't think our offer was that much better.
I guess we can give the 2013 cup to the Rangers now, might as well have a lockout ;)
Yeah but the package would have originally included Foligno - who had more points than either Anisimov or Dubinski. Ottawa definitely had the better package but I guess Howson couldn't convince Nash to open up his list.
Too bad for him. That's a horrible deal. That 1st will probably be a 25-30 range too.
And Nash went for the now and not the future. He'll have a 2 year window to get the cup and then he'll end up with Columbus 2.0 Big Apple version...
what a joke of a trade
Patrick Marleau is from Saskatchewan. Dan Boyle is the Shark from Ottawa.
Seriously CBJ is effed.
Like our friend SensFanInMTL said... TABARNAK de callisse, on aurait pu avoir Methot et Nash pour Foligno, MZ, 1st, et un dildo bleu
So witch teams got better from the East?
Maybe that's the backup plan...its looking more and more likely
Every team not from ottawa
marleau is a bum. every sharks fan i talk to (surprsingly a lot of the even in ottawa) hate marleau.
Aaron Asham, Michael Haley, Taylor Pyatt, Jeff Halpern, Brandon Segal, Rick Nash,
NY rangers lost this July:
John Mitchell, Chad Johnson, Brandon Prust, John Scott,
Jeff Woywitka, Brandon Dubinsky, Tim Erixon, Artem Anisimov, Ruslan Fedetenko, 1st rounder
Thoughts.
The SENS are still making the Playoffs next year. We will be a 6-7 seed in the East
pens - malkin crosby letang
philly - giroux, weber?
devils - kovulchuk
rangers - gaborik nash lundqvuist
islanders - JT carkner
Hahahaha how do you possibly see us doing better?
In Sens news, anyone who sees Alfie and asks him what his decision is, gets told he's not allowed to share his decision.
Does that not sound like someone who's already retired and being told to wait for the announcement until more season tickets have been sold?
The secrecy over the Sens offseason this year has been pretty concerning.
Devils will likely fall quite a bit and be battling with Ottawa and others for that last playoff spot at best. Islanders could make a move forward this year, but still a ways to go. But the top 3 in that division (Pitt, NYR, Philly) are probably 3 of the top 5 favorites for the cup next year. Hopefully they just beat each other up too much.
islanders with jt and carks? you really think carks puts them over the top? would have mentioned Moulson over him lol Islanders are messed and a poor excuse of a team..Tavares will want out of there soon enough.
I don't see us doing better. I was just wondering where everybody thinks Ottawa will finish next season seeing what moves Murray has done so far this offseason.
So have the Leafs or Montreal gotten any better?
What?
Still depends on who gets Doan, but I'd say:
- Rangers, Boston, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia are locks for the playoffs
- Carolina or Washington will win their division with the other fighting hard for 6-8th
-leaving 2 spots open for Ottawa, Florida, New Jersey, Buffalo, Tampa Bay and Winnipeg to fight it out
Montreal stays last, followed by Toronto and NY Islanders.
My thoughts are that this isn't a NYR blog.
Don't worry or take that statement too seriously. It's one of those friends of a friend of a brother of a cousin things, but I've heard through a few DIFFERENT people that have come across him and all 3 times that was his response.
I'm more frustrated by the growing lack of information coming out from the Sens on this and the Q4Q trade they hinted at so many times. Don't build us up to fall flat on all accounts.
lol.. i was obviously joking.
they are just lacking a decent goaltender. they have tons of top 6 talent (jt moulson grabner strome niederreiter okposo) and some real good prospects. and pretty average D
But now that I do, of course ALfie isn't telling random strangers his decision before making an official announcement. Do you honestly expect that he would?
Alfie is in sweden so if you want to ask him then youll probably be on your once in every ten years vacation.
As I said, don't take it too seriously, but all the timelines previously mentioned by him and management have passed with nothing. Yes he had an injury during training, but that was to just delay his answer a few weeks at first.
The response he's telling people is hey I made my decision and management knows it already, we just can't tell you. Why wouldn't he just say they haven't made the decision yet.
Anyways, as I said, just my feeling. Alternatively, they could just be saving it for a big announcement of his return once we've all grown frustrated with this offseason. It's all speculation, he's not my brother, friend or anything.
oh good lol, I had to do a double take there and see if I was just dreaming or not lol.
So I tend to agree that he has decided already and told Murray his decision.
So if that's true (and it's just a guess) there are two sets of options for why they're not going public yet:
He's retiring:
- Murray wants to keep that under his hat when negotiating trades or with UFAs (i.e. some teams may feel he's more desperate without Alfie, some UFAs may not be as interested in playing here without Alfie etc).
- They think it's better to wait for more season ticket renewals before breaking the news to the fans
- They're hoping to land a marketable player before they announce Alfie's retirement (i.e. Ryan, Doan - whatever)
- They want to fully plan out "Alfie night" first and announce retiring his number etc at the same time
He's coming back:
- Again, maybe Murray wants that info confidential during trade negotiations with other teams or courting UFAs - some UFAs might see more playing time for them if Alfie still might retire, Murray might be able to say "I don't know if Alfie's coming back so I definitely can't give you ____ in a trade."
- Their trying to work out some sort of extension or buy-out/resign so that Alfie's not playing for $1M next year (this one seems most likely to me)
- They're going to try and announce this at a time when their marketing people think it will provide the best boost to season ticket sales or maybe even single ticket sales
So that said, I think it's still most likely that he's coming back.
agreed, i think we are just over analyzing the thing. he knows his role on this club and knows very well about the swedish talent that will one day take over his spot. would assume he wants to be here to guide them first hand on the ice 1 last time.
Have to agree the silence on many of the moves is very strange.
Alfie must have made a decision by now, and is not revealing anything.
As for the adding of players, Murray is setting up one of the very best and exciting camps that Ottawa has seen in many years. There will be some surprises, but after the assessment of Stone Silv and MZ you can be assured that depending on where they are in development, the moves will follow after camp and before teh 20 game mark.
As for Nash, he had better now put up or shut up... didnt work so well for a Mr Hately thought did it?
No doubt in my mind, that Howson got fleeced by Sather in the Nash trade. The fact that he refused many deals better than this one, came back to bite him severely !
Have fun with Dubinsky, Anisimov who will probably want out the minute they can.
Rangers have the best top 6FW and top 4D in NHL bar none now...(not even mentioning the King...)
Nash Richards Gaborik
Kreider Stepan Callahan
McDonough Staal
MDZ Girardi
If lfie is in fact retiring, what better year to do it... use this year as a true rebuilding year with some of our higher end prospects unlike last year where it was all bottom 6 cracking the roster.
if we end up finsihing out of the playoffs, sell off gonchar and anyone else that isnt part of the core and make this another high end draft. a lottery pick this year would net us a first line elite talent and completely fill our prospect cuboards.
what a top line...
elite playmaker with 2 40 goal scorers... that power play will be sick.
I think youre going a little crazy on the quality of the 2LW and 2C spot. Those guys are good, but not best in the league bar non. ]
Top4 D I can agree with... same with their 1st line is just ridic
Hmmm I like the way you think, if Alfie does infact retire (which the "no news" seems to be leaning towards) we can enter year 2 of a true rebuild. Many of you will complain if we suck but would you complain if we end up landing Mackinnon.....t o DREAM!
Find me a better 2nd line than:
Kreider Stepan Callahan
I dont think you will find it, this line has it all, speed, toughness, goal scoring, plays 200ft hockey, you name it.
I'm as big an Alfie fan as anyone, but I've maintained all along that if he does retire this summer it's the best thing for the rebuild since we'll need time to find our "post-Alfie identity" anyway so may as well start that sooner than later.
Having said that, I still think he's going to play out his contract (or play one more year on some modified deal).
I agree, and am actually warming up to the preference to have Alfie just hang them up so we can truly get this rebuild going. Let the young guys sink or swim, we have enough signed to rotate them through for some experience.
I wouldnt rotate them all just so they can get experience, if some sink more than swim in the big league, it wont be good for their development, some are just not rdy for the NHL.
Michalek Spezza Greening/Butler
Silf Turris Latendresse
Condra Regin Neil
JOB Smith Greening/Butler
Daug
Not in specific order and that actually looks terrible as a line up, LOL....Damn.
Well this would be a great year to be really rebuilding (suck ass) and potentially land a top 3 pick.
Tookie Id love to finish last and then win the Draft and select the next canadian superstar Mackinnon...
But you do realise that CBJ just burned all it;s bridges and infected its team with rabid zombie virus? They will do much worse than anybody again...
When 1 sinks, you replace him with someone who hasn't had a shot and send him back to AHL for more work. When 1 swims, you keep him up. I'm not saying rotate willy nilly for the fun of it, though that could be entertaining.
However if management will do that in the playoffs anyways (taking Stone out just to give Silfverberg experience), there's no reason not to do it in the regular season.
I'd love all the young skill we have in the lineup this year just to see what they can do, ideally Alfie is around for one last hurrah for the fans and his young teammates.
The reality is the Sens are going to be in tough to make another playoff push. It is going to take all the young, unproven skill we have to exceed expectations. it could certainly happen but personally, I don't care either way and would prefer it to having Nash in the lineup and lose all that talent.
That said, if we made playoffs last year with a bunch of grinders, there is no reason to think we can't when the young crop coming in are all skilled guys vs. bottom 6 like they were last year.
Our ability to make the playoffs once again largely comes down to whether or not Spezza can stay healthy.
True that but it is a lottery, they can lose all 82 games and still miss out on the #1 pick.
We can also entice them with picks, hell with Howson still there we could probably get the 1st overall pick for Greening, Butler and Peterssen and a 3rd rounder, LOL.
Last year didnt show it, but VAN line 2 is quite unreal.
LAK also is pretty ridic with their line 2.
They each played 1 game a piece and it was deemd by ther Sens that Silfverberg was the more NHL rdy player and played a more complete game than Stone. (please dont say "but Stone got a point")
That's a pretty good second line Tooks, but I'd take either of L.A's top two lines:
Williams-Kopitar-Brown or
Penner-Richards-Carter
or one of the Hawks top 2 lines consisting of two of Toews, Kane, Hossa or Sharpie
or one of Pittsburgh's top two lines with a healthy Croz,
or Boston's second line of Lucic-Krejci-? whoever.
There's gotta be more lines out there than Kreider-Stepan- Callahan. What makes you even think that will be their second line?
conditional 2013 3rd round pick (pick goes
back to the Blue Jackets if the Rangers make
the Stanley Cup final) for Brandon
Dubinsky, Tim Erixon, Artem Anisimov and
2013 1st round pick.
Didn't Ottawa make a better offer?
The Jackets pretty much have 30th overall locked up, then there's the Isles, Leafs, Habs, Oilers, Nashville if they lose Weber, Phoenix if they lose Doan, Dallas, Calgary, Winnipeg... does anyone actually see Ottawa finishing below any of those teams?
Still doesn't change the fact, that's what they did and will continue to do. And Stone did get a point and prove worthy at least offensively. At the very least anyone else would not have messed with success, but this management has made it clear experience and building for the future is the only goal right now.
As for how complete Silfverburg's game looked, meh, didn't impress me enough to justify the change in such a close series. He will be good, and by all accounts he's likely the only close to guarantee to play a lot in the NHL this year, just wouldn't have messed with it just to give him 1 game.
if they saw what foligno did as a center in ottawa, hope for their sake he gets to play center there too. atleast 2C. leaving top spot for johansen or brassard.
then top 6 would be anisimov dubinsky brassard johansen foligno umberger and possibly add rookie boone jenner.
the D would be wiz j.johnson tyutin nikitin erixon and probably rush ryan murray.
then how bad they are depends completly on bobrovsky.
i know that is a terrible looking roster..especai lly the offencive end.
no one expected florida to be good this year. but they need an excellent coach to do so.
or they can turn things arround by completly tanking now, i believe 3 first round picks this upcoming draft
Stepan was also a healthy scratch for a lot of the playoffs.
I highly doubt they even use those players.
Tooks always knows best though. Geez
its fun to imagine getting the next jason spezza or marian hossa through the draft son
All it is is a fantasy son.
That and the invention of jean shorts are what makes summer great.
i raise you:
neal crosby dupuis
kunitz malkin kennedy/cooke
and i assume brandon sutter takes 3C or else he would be up there too.
He has not (or if he has there's been no indication).
I'm assuming that most of the 2012 draft class will want to sign their ELCs sooner than later though in case there is a lockout.
yea just was seeing on tsn.ca that other top picks were signing, hope we get him inked in the next few weeks, cant wait for him to be on the blueline in the near future
There's literally no way it won't happen. If there wasn't a new CBA in the works neither side would be in any hurry at all - and even with it they may be fine waiting until closer to camp.
So true Hax! I like short shorts! ;)
Have you had any indication on their plans for Butler? Or do you have a hunch?
Buyout is stupid...unless there is a trade where we are getting more bodies back than we are giving and just need to clear contractual space.
I could see something like this happening if Alfie isn't coming back.
I believe they can buy him out at 1/3 of his contract as he isn't 26 years old. $333,333 + the Daug's contract equals the amount they were going to pay Butler. Seems like a no brainer unless someone wants him on waivers.
Thought he looked decent in the playoffs. My personal opinion- give him another camp and let him try and earn a spot.
Yeah totally agree. If we end up with a trade with more players coming back than we're sending (which I can't see) we'd just toss Butler in I think anyway.
Garrioch is a moron though since:
A - Daugavins was going to take up a roster spot either way since the day we qualified him. Avoiding arbitration changes nothing
B - Apparently the CBA states that you cannot buy any players out unless you have at least two file for arbitration (according to this tweet anyway):
DefenseMinister @DefenseMinister
@Steve_Lloyd @sungarrioch Also, the CBA dictates the buyout option is only available to teams that had more than 1 player file for arb.
He has been on the "get rid of Butler" thing for awhile now. This article is more about speculation based on a perceived CBA opportunity.
Definitely.
I'm not even necessarily disagreeing as if the club really feels Butler's few, small flashes of promise are not going to amount to anything then a buyout might be the best option (assuming we can't trade him for a 7th round pick). But I just don't think it's something that suddenly has come up due to signing Daugavins and it looks like it might not even be allowed under the CBA.
The Rangers just stole Nash, I wish them nothing but BAD luck!
Source?
Don;t know if I should wait until the season starts. Im thinking Defenceman
Cowen, Methot, or Ceci... Im born in Poland and would love to see my boy Borowiecki crack the line up to throw his name on but for the last 2, Ceci and Borocop I gotta wait until at least 1 month into season.
Also do you guys know if Its possible to remove a name off a jersey once its glued on and get a new one or non at all... I was sadly gifted a Kovalev 2 years ago.....
Changing the name on the back (and numbers) depends on what type of jersey it is. If it's heat pressed it's "possible but messy" and if it's pro-stitch it's a little less messy (If I recall correctly).
You didnt answer the real question HAX
2010 Kovalev jersey, heat pressed for sure. the bastard is glued on. I can;t believe they didnt sow it. I might just throw it at Heatley next time he comes to down after trying to change the name.
Who else wore 27 for us Robitaille?
Well I know that my brother-in-law was able to peel the name off his old jersey (Fisher) and while it left a bit of a mark it's not bad.
So you might try to remove it yourself and put a longer name over it.
27s in Sens history:
Blair Atcheynum 1993-1993
Hank Lammens 1994-1994
Phil Bourque 1994-1994
Joe Cirella 1996-1996
Janne Laukkanen 1996-2000
Ricard Persson 2001-2002
Dennis Bonvie 2003-2003
Todd Simpson 2004-2004
Peter Schaefer 2006-2007
Randy Robitaille 2008-2008
Alex Kovalev 2010-2011
Or try to peel the numbers too - maybe just the seven and change it to Daugavins #23?
http://forums.icejerseys.com/index.php?showtopic=3796
Typically "Authentic" numbers are heat pressed onto the jersey, then stitched. This is to keep the numbers in place when the sewing is done. There is no glue applied, the glue/adhesive is actually apart of the twill. So one side is the twill and the other side has a hardened adhesive on it that melts when heat pressed.
With the "Heat Pressed" numbers it is almost impossible to cleanly remove them from the jersey because they use a much stronger adhesive on the numbers. I suppose this is to compensate for the numbers not being stitched down onto the jersey. I've seen some heat pressed numbers removed and the glue residue left behind is very hardened and almost embedded onto the jersey.
So while it seems you're likely going to have glue left behind or might even rip the jersey, it can be done if you plan to cover the area again with another name plate.
Better option than tossing the sweater I guess - but you may want to consider leaving the Kovalev on there as a conversation starter. I still have my impulse buy Cody Bass jersey.
surprised no one is discussing the "big" news of the day "Big" Byfuglien charged with reckless boating.. reckless eating and reckless boat eating.... Edit: also reckless bloating
last year we lost one of the lowest games to injury in the nhl, its safe to assume we'll suffer through more injuries this year and realistically some of those will be to our prominent players, karlsson, spezza, alfie, michalek.
this happens its quite realistic to expect a worse finish than last year. that said, we definitely have some wild cards that could change the landscape a bit with regin, latendresse, silfverberg, zibby etc.
but proven talent in the nhl wins out more often than not.
6D and 2 goalies is 8 so that leaves 15 spaces left, something will give.
Alfie saga going on and on is odd, we are a long way from his two week decision from season end.
A stellar trade and an Alfie return would boost ticket sales I would think.
A stellar trade and Alfie retiring would also be a good move.
lots to speculate about but BM has a plan book it.
The source is Bryan Murray, who is not interested.
For Dubby, Anisimov < Erixon and 1st round pick 2013.
the rangers also get a third and another player with nash.
HORRIBLE TRADE ON COLUMBUSES SIDE.
They have an excellent top 4 in Richards, Nash, Gaborik & Callahan.. personally I would take Callahan over any of those 3... They have a great young prospect in Kreider.. but the rest just don't over impress.
The Rangers got where they are... and beat Ottawa because of Lundqvist... they go as far as he takes them. If you can get a puck past the Rangers D... then it's Lundqvist who is probably the best goalie in the NHL.
As for a winger for Spezza... I think he did pretty well last year with Michalek and the other rotating winger.... finishing 4th overall in points. I'm willing to start Silfverberg there. He will need time to adjust as he will be hit more, forechecked harder and won't get the room he is used to... but I think he will do okay. Put Latendresse with Turris.. and hopefully Alfie.
The key to the Sens offense.. starts with little #65... as he goes.. so does the Sens...
I read somewhere that Latendresse has been working out with the Sens trainers.. Have you heard that?
That would certainly be a change for him.
1-NYR
2-Boston
3-Washington
4-Pits(swap with NYR if Crosby is healthy all season but they will be 1/2 with total points again)
5-Philly
6-Florida
7-Buffalo
8-NJ
9-TB
10-TO(If they end up with Luongo/any legit starting goalie they may pull off 8th +)
11-Winnipeg
12-Ottawa
13-Montreal
14-NYI
15-Carolina
I would say that 1-5 is pretty much 100% guaranteed maybe not that order but there is about zero chance they don't all make the dance. 8-13 to me could be a complete toss up too depending on injuries/breakouts.
I anticipate a million -s but seriously...if the season was even 85 games there was a real legit chance we wouldn't have even made the playoffs last season. I hope I am wrong because 12th in the East would suck and likely still leave us out of the lottery
Shean Donavon said on the summer scratches that he's been working with Chris Schwartz personally.
As far as The Butler saga is concerned, I'm on the same page as Chirp. Give him another chance. Like Regin, he has shown flashes of talent and exciting play. I'm happy to give them both another shot. Best case, they end up being awesome on next to nothing contracts while the youngstars wait in line. Worst case? Butler and Regin don't play at all and they walk out the door as Stone, Zibby and Silf walk right past them and onto their slot in the lineup. I really can't see a down side and I'll give them both the benefit of the doubt for one last season. If they don't panne out, no worries as they are already replaced.
Coming from one of the biggest ones here it means nothing
..Toronto improved...we have at best remained the same.
It really isn't that big of a deal, we are in year two of a rebuild...they are in what?
I should add...I was going under the impression that Alfie is retiring
After the Sens clinched a playoff spot... I really think they took their foot off the gas -- so to speak...
You actually think Toronto is better than Ottawa? Sens lost Kuba.. Carkner, Konopka who didn't even play a whole season & Foligno... You think Winnipeg is going to be better than Ottawa?
After losing Parise -- you think NJ is going to finish that high?
Other than getting JVR who else did they get? Is JVR a #1 centre?
It's a business and every dollar counts for breaking even. Especially when you're basically playing the season out for the sole purpose of getting the youngsters some experience. Nobody is going in thinking we'll win any more games than last year. Sooo many things went perfectly for us including minimal injuries and many unbelievable 3rd period comebacks. That stuff just doesn't happen very year.
While some of you are thinking 1 millon is barely nothing for NHL standards. While I agree with that I find it hard to believe that Eugene agrees and/or who ever is in charge of balancing our books.
If we buy him out we have to pay out approximately 400K over 2 season. This means the team saves almost 800K. I don't know about you guys but I'd like an extra 800K in my pocket.
If the Murray's see him sitting in the press box for the majority of the year I say for sure buy him out. Simply because Butler is useless on the bottom 6 and he just doesn't seem to have the tools to survive consistently as a scoring winger
Methot is a different style than Kuba, but Kuba had a pretty darn good season last year...At best Methot will equal it, and I suspect he will be hard pressed to as Karlsson will be checked/marked/ watched A LOT more(again going under the assumption Methot/Karlsson will be 1st D)
I do not see Latendresse as a step up from Foligno....well maybe a small step, if he stays 100% healthy...I see them as pretty equal, if he gets hurt we take a huge step back.
So really....where do you think we improved? We have (in no real order
Michalek-Spezza-Silfverburg
Latendress-Turris-Greening
Neil-Smith-Daug
Butler-Regin-Condra
Really the ONLY spot we could improve is Silfverburg over Greening on the top line...everywhe re else is essentially even/a step down....It isn't that our team is inherently worse we just aren't better....and taking into consideration that we(and everyone admits it) overachieved last season and just about every other eastern team has improved...and we have a few potential for injuries in
Regin
Latendresse
Michalek
Spezza
Sure its only July there could still be a move or two that significantly affects our forward ranks, but as it sits now thats pretty scary
Where did I say JVR is a #1 C??
But
JVR-Grabovski-Kessel
honestly isn't that bad of a top line.
Pretty crappy lookin' list you put together there.
1) Carolina has improved almost the most of any Eastern team this offseason bringing in a guy who has been wasted in a 3rd line role. I expect the Staal brothers to be mad dangerous next year. Combine them with a bounce back year for Ward and they'll make the playoffs if not contend for the South East.
2) Tim Thomas was Boston. With him gone, they are a good team, but not an elite team.
3) Devils lost their best player and replaced him with nothing. Their goalie tandem will have a combined age of 80. Won't rule out a playoff spot because they are well coached and managed... just not expecting it to happen.
4) No way in hell do Toronto and Winnipeg finish ahead of us. Both of those organizations have locker room problems that will transition to the ice. At least one will be a lotto team.
5) Just because we didn't make the huge splash doesn't mean we didn't improve. Kuba was dead weight, everyone knows that. Methot will be much more valuable for us going forward. Our rookies from last season will have another year of experience under their belt and the rookies we bring in will probably be an improvement over Kenopka and Carkner's obscene PIM totals.
Boston has Rask. This guy is good, and he's ready to take the No.1.
The Rangers top line come mid season will be deadly. Potential to be extremely dangerous.
Pens will dominate as usual with Malkin and Sid and now Neal.
Flyers... Weber and Giroux continues to emerge as a superstar.
Caps have a legit C behind Backstrom now. He should be solid for them... Plus a good tandem in Neuvirth and Holtby.
Dark horses are:
Canes... Will depend on Jordan stepping up his game in a role with more ice time and responsibility.
Florida... We will have to see if last year was a fluke, or if they took solid steps forward.
Leafs will tank as usual, lead the NE by 1 pt come December, and then crumble after the ASG.
Ha!!
We dont even know who will be a senator come day 1 training camp. And some have forgotten how easily injuries come (training camp, off seasons,in the kitchen).
Basically yes, its fun to talk about it. But lots of you are embarassing yourselfs with these predictions.
All's im saying is: we all make fun of Brennan for that karlsson wasted draft pick stuff. And yet some of you are all "Buffalo, Tampa, Toronto, Florida ahead of sens in standings"
With "regin, dacosta, stone, MZ, and boro" in the lineup
How bout we wait and see a minute before we lower ourselves.to Ottawa sun standards
Poor Bobby Butler.
I remember when Radek Bonk was Boo Boo's "target de la saison"
when you make your list ask yourself whether they did try but circumstances beyond anyone's control prevented it from happening or whether it was ever realistic that it could happen.
Virtually with no current Senators, except Alfie, Gonchar, Phillips and Neil can you absolutely say they are in a declining phase of their career. Our current roster is full of youth that are one year older, one year stronger, one year more confident, one year better. don't you think that counts for anything?
if you are saying we aren't better, you are saying that Turris, Cowen, Karlsson, Greening, Smith etc have peaked. You really think all these guys have peaked and can't be better? Not to mention very realistic possibility that one of Silfverberg, Stone or Zibanejad can be a top 6 this year.
I'm not naive enough to think that the Senators are a sure thing to make it just because they did last year. In fact, I do think the Sens will be in tough this year to make playoffs and realistically will be on the outside looking in, but there is plenty to be optimistic about.
A lot of fans seem to be in panic mode but in reality, everything is progressing very well, and we are way ahead of the curve if you consider the mindset at the deadline of 10/11.
A Douchbag Dany by any other name smells just as .......
Two different circumstances really...Nash' put the team ahead of himself for his entire career and despite sucking for years and countless high end picks the team continued to lack the ability to develop their players. Heatley always has been and always will be a me first player that runs from his own self induced problems.
Ultimately these guys are hockey players not trained pr people. I'll boo Nash as a Ranger but I'll cheer him on team Canada. Heatley on the other hand will never experience a cheer from me again...
LMFAO!! On a serious note, who's going to be the new Captain and extra Assistant?
If you actually would discuss things that people actually said then maybe there would be a use to your post...but as usual you are fabricating shit to try and prove your non existing point. Heaven forbid on July 23rd someone(and it isn't the first time) someone look and state they are doing such, at how the teams CURRENTLY look how they suspect the standings may look....essenti ally to illustrate how difficult it will be for the Sens to compete for the 6th spot like some people predict.
@sepzzerman....I am not saying that Ottawa hasn't tried to do more than they have...I am sure they did, but that doesn't negate the fact that in the end very little has been done. Also I would LOVE if there were a large infusion of youth this season, but judging by the moves we did complete this won't be easy to do. I expect Silfverburg to be in our lineup and a bright spot this season.
Peaked...probab ly not, but will they be able to overachieve again this year....not sure, will Anderson play as well as he did at the end of the year, hopefully, I do think our D has improved slightly with the addition of Methot over Kuba.
As I have said from the get-go I do not like the Latendresse move...willing to give the benefit of the doubt because his attitude seems to be positive and appears to be giving it a real go.
Ahem wowwww its going to be difficult to compete for 6th place..
You needed to look at the rosters and moves they made to think of that?
Here's one: its going to be tough for LA to compete for 6th in the conference this year. Wowww my point is so valid..Insightful
Winnipeg and Florida will not finish ahead of Ottawa in the standings. Nor will Buffalo (why the hell would They?)
And putting Toronto ahead of ottawa based on acquiring luongo isnt stacking the teams up using CURRENT rosters. Is it?
"I think that Poile's statement that we will match any offer is akin to Gandalf telling the Gondorians, "what ever comes through that door, you will stand and fight!" Well this offer is pretty much Grond, a dozen cave trolls, and an army of orcs bashing through the doors. True, Poile CAN stand his ground, but an orderly retreat may be more in order. Let him go."
Funniest thing I've read all day. Say hi to Bryan for me when you have lunch with him today.
Knowing toronto, they will give away important pieces to get their man between the pipes. improving at goaltending, but downgrading somewhere else. My guess is defence, essentially hanging their new goalie out to dry
If they get hasek, I see another quick start (division lead?) Followed by an injured goalie, insufficient backup, and a(nother) steady drop in the standings
it just doesn't pay to be a leafs fan
Really?
kunitz malkin kennedy/cooke
Shut down Gino and that line goes no where...(Hard to do I know but its been done)
Also LAK 2nd line stunk to high heaven during the season, they showed up in the playoffs.
CHI of Sharp/Toews or Kane/Hossa is pretty good too but not a full line. They can be shut down and dont do HALF the things that NYR line does.
Nice to name a few lines that have flash and dash but do they block shots? do they play 200ft, do they hit and play physical? NO..
That NYR line can do it all. and even if that isnt the the exact line, it even makes it better:
Kreider Richards Nash
Gaborik Stepan Callahan
There are currently 11 teams not meeting the Salary cap floor of $54.2M
Plus, if you look, every team already have 22 or more players signed….
Can you say Gomez to NAS or PHX….Gomez is likely to move because his cap hit is $7.8M, but his salary for the last 2 years is 5M and 4M, perfect for a team looking to reach the flooring with a high cap hit, without spending all the money…
FLA
$53.537 - 25 Players
CLB
$52.980 - 25 Players
STL
$52.850 - 23 Players
WPG
$51.265 - 25 Players
OTT
$51.233 - 22 Players
DAL
$50.676 - 24 Players
CAR
$50.545 - 24 Players
NYI
$46.597 - 27 Players
PHX
$43.991 - 24 Players
NAS
$43.069 - 24 Players
This cleary shows many more deals to come:
23-man Roster
There may be a maximum of 23 players on each Club's playing roster at any one time from the commencement of the NHL regular season through the trade deadline. Prior to the start of the season, each Club must submit to the NHL its "Opening Day Playing Roster" which shall be comprised of not more than 23 players. Each Club must have a roster of at least 20 players, composed of 18 skaters and two goaltenders. Players on Injured Reserve do not count in the 23-man limit.
Discuss :)
"Just like Dany" (clap clap clap clap clap)
"Just like Dany" (clap clap clap clap clap)
Thoughts?
Don't forget that we've improved our backup goalie (lehner/bishop >>> auld)... and that will have an impact. Auld was awful last season, so a decent backup will take a bit of pressure off anderson and instill more confidence in the team.
If it was anything like Dany maybe but it wasnt, so try again...
I would be surprised if the floor remained the same. When the CBA is agreed upon I would guess that would be the first change made.
How was it not like Dany?
1. Demand trade
2. Had NTC-Gave short list handcuffed team.
3. Rejected trade with better package that would have helped his team more.
Because Tookie says its not... jeez, pay attention!
Well for one, Nash played his whole career for CBJ, and seeing as they went through 2 rebuilds with him and completely screwed it up, I think he was more than derserving to ask for a trade.
2. Howson is the one that made it public, not Nash.
3. Howson gave him a NTC, Nash did what was asked of him and provided a 6 team list, more than enough to trade him.
4. Howson held out on much better offers than what he ended up getting cuz he wanted insanely high value for Nash.
5. Nash didnt deny any impending trade, OTT wasnt on the list.
6. Nash wasnt holding out...
And I can go on..