According to a tweet from TSN's Bob McKenzie, the other teams on the list include the Toronto Maple Leafs, the New York Rangers, the Edmonton Oilers and the Vancouver Canucks.
While Schultz can't sign with a new team until the market officially opens on July 1, the belief is he will make a decision at some point over the weekend.
- As I mentioned on this site yesterday, Sens defenceman Matt Carkner has indeed turned down an offer and appears poised to test the free agent market. According to Bruce Garrioch, the offer from the Senators was for one year.
- Pierre Dorion mentioned that if PA Parenteau was to hit the market, he is a player the Sens might be interested in, assuming the price was right. Parenteau is from the area and is coming off a couple solid seasons (53 pts, 67pts) with the Islanders.
Anything else going on Chirp? Nash, Hjalmarsson, Parenteau?
About those cba discussions
Cowen - Karlsson
Gonchar - Shultz
Phillips - Boro
Weirioch
Nor am I, but he costs nothing but an entry level contract so I would certainly take a chance on him. The risk versus reward factor isnt a big deal as it's a minimal commitment on Murray's side. Da Costa and Butler are the same scenario, if they don't pan out they can be moved or not qualified after this year.
I hope you're right. I don't think there is a tougher player in the league right now.
Just missing Hjalmersson from the d-corps & we're set!
But again this is where the negotiating comes in, I am sure he is asking for low thresholds to meet as some teams will give into his demands.
Unfortunately TO will most likely be our biggest competition, both of us have room for him, but TO will give in to a top 4 spot, and very low bonus levels, so he makes his 3 mil per season.
It is a tricky scenario, cause he has not played yet in the NHL... wasn't Gilroy a cant miss college player that was being chased by many NHL teams... and how did he look?
I know this kid is supposed to be the real deal, but college and NHL are two different worlds!!!
Here's hoping it works out.
Also, given Wideman's contract yesterday, trading looks like a great option.
Per Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Ready for this? Big news coming..
I'd rather see:
Cowen - Karlsson
Phillips - Shultz
Gonshar - Boro
Carks
More balanced that way. The idea of a Gonsh / Schultz pairing gives me nightmares.
Undrafted college stars, yes. Apples and Oranges here.
Wow...hope it has some sort of clause in there for injuries
put me in the very sorry to see Carks go.
honestly the one year deal was a bit of a slap in the face, as he is a person who leads with his heart, and has given all for this team, never questioning his role, on or off the ice.
Hell we threw 10 Mil to the tin man in Kovalev.
I am sure if you offered him a 3 year deal at less than 3 mil, he would jump all over it.
And yes he did seem somewhat slower last year due to knee issues, but in the playoffs he won out over Gilroy, and IMO was more valuable than Kuba against the Rangers.
Mark my words, MTL or TO grab him as a 7th D-man we will regret this snub towards him.
Carks if we pushed you out, we the fans are sorry, but do what is best for you and your family,
damn shame!
College stars never drafted yes. This is a college star with high draft pedigree. Drafted 2nd round just like silfverberg and lehner and weber etc
Also Dreger saying Crosby gunna sign an extension worth over $100mm AAV at $9 mill
THIS x 100
I'm sick of the comparisons to undrafted NCAA players. He was a 1st round pick ffs.
further, Bob mckenzie has just sent these tweets:
Why Justin Schultz isn't likely to be Fabian Brunnstrom, part deux: Brunnstrom was a late-blooming wild card with no real track record.
At 18, Schultz identified as solid prospect, ANA's 2nd-rd pick in 08 out of BCHL. Since then he's shown steady/signific ant development.
But he's still a 22-yr-old Dman who hasn't played an NHL game and like all young guys playing a tough position, he'll have his ups/downs.
Never any guarantees with any player but you would be hard pressed to find an NHL scout who doesn't think Schultz has tremendous upside.
Great post and very intuative.
No way we let this guy go through waivers, and maybe in the grand scheme of things, the Sens see him as replacing Carks.
However no way we start the year with 2 rookies on D, cannot see this happening,
so agreed 1 of Gyrba, Weir, or Boro make it.
Please remind me, who would have to go through waivers from the group that is coming up from Bingo?
And what are the rules
The only reason he's a free agent is because of a glitch in the CBA. I think it's ridiculous that he's getting a bad rap for doing this. Anyone in his shoes who has an agent pushing him to do this would see the upside and do it themselves.
This is a common misconception about Schultz.
He was actually 43rd overall, which is in the second round. Still a high pick for essentially nothing, but some make it sound as if he was a lottery selection.
What exactly is the glitch that he is exposing? I know he de-registered from Wisconsin but don't college players do this often?
Any extra info would be great
True! I'm loving this new depth of youngsters. Although I would be pretty surprised if any of the guys you listed could leap-frog more than 1 of Wiercioch, Borowiecki, and Gryba on the depth chart, but stranger things have happened... Either way, may the best man/men win!
I love what Carkner did and does for this organisation, but think a 1 year offer is fair.
Why would you give somebody a three year deal when on his best days right now is a number 6 dman and isn't going to move up the depth chart solely on the strength of his play.. In those three years aren't we expecting Borowiecki, Gryba, WireCock, Ceci, Claeson to all be past him and better than him? If you read these boards you are.
You can't have somebody who is number 10 or 11 on your depth chart on a one way deal, even for a small cap hit.
If he doesn't want a one year deal and can find somebody to offer him something better then good luck to him and I wish him nothing but the best. If he looks around and decides that a one year deal here is for him then I'm very happy to have him.
I could even be convinced that another 2 year deal at no more than a million a season is workable, but a three year deal ends up being a mistake.
Absolutely agree, the depth kind of crept up on us at D. The thing about Claesson a lot of people don't seem to take into account is he's a DFD that's been playing in the SEL for 2 years. He may actually be one of more NHL ready prospects depending on how far his stick handling has come.
The way I see it is boro and gryba have inside lane this year but they will have to impress every single year because they will never get to the point where they are top 4 and locks to make team. They will always be year to year just like carks is now.
As for Claessen, if I'm wiercoch he worries me like crazy. Weircoch is 3rd in line behind gryba and boro one would assume. And if weircoch doesn't step up soon, claessen will pass him and make it that much harder to ever make the NHL knowing you now have Ceci in the mix
so I expect big things from weircoch this camp, and may even surprise enough to get a short audition and become 1st call up if need be. He's working his tail off this summer with Turris, and if any of that can translate to camp in Septmeber he could be in for a very good surprise
been reported that he has turned down the first offer and will wait until July 1st
Ottawa will do the same
Agreed Alcatraz, this may be Wiercioch's 2nd last chance to earn a spot. The thing I've always liked about him though is his game is "supposed to" translate better to the NHL than AHL. I really hope he surprises us this year as I wouldn't mind if our D added him or Ceci and then 1 of the other 3.
Karlsson-Cowen
Gonchar-shultz/hjarm (one or other)
Phillips-boro/weirc
gryba
gryba should be 7th dman regardless. he isn't a top end prospect and him being pressboxed wont hurt his development
Boro vs Weir is the debate, and boro has advantage
But..if Weircoch impresses enough to make the team then we are looking good, because boro is what he is. we know what your getting from him, and him making the team this year or next wont change much. but like I said earlier, if Weir can make that jump then now looking forward we have a very good young blueline
if wei can't make that jump then we are somewhat weak because like I said boro and Weir are who they are 5/6 dmen
with weircoch in there it creates competition and allows Ottawa to use boro/gryba more effectively in the 3rd pairing role, and doesn't require us to really look for UFA trades for top 4 and taking away more assets
I go to capgeek to check each players waiver eligibility but it is still not always clear.
Out of the forwards who have been signed for a couple years who are not yet regulars (Daugavins, O'Brien, Da Costa, Hoffman) I believe only Da Costa is waiver exempt this year and only until he plays 54 games.
Out of the defensemen who have been signed for a couple years who are not yet regulars (Gryba, Wiercioch, Borowiecki) I believe both Wiercioch and Borowiecki are waiver exempt this year.
The glitch is that if upon being drafted you don't go to college right away and stay in junior (which he did...he stayed in the BCHL for another year). Then when he de-registed from collegs early it kicks in a one month time frame where his draft team must sign him or else he becomes a UFA.
To be able to choose your destination as a young highly touted prospect is massive for him. Not only does he get to choose his favorite city/team but the best "situation". When signing a contract, agents look carefully at what players around the league and more specifically on the preferred teams are becoming free agents. This is a HUGE factor in the how the GM's will be allocating their money. For ex. if Schultz goes to Edm... he'll be signing his next contract in a 3 year time period where the team also has so sign Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Yakupov, and Eberle. He knows every one of those players will be really pressured to take the least amount money possible for budget purposes.
We here in Ottawa don't have that problem
his obsession with 87 made me realize, and forgive me if this has been said before, but Karlsson contract carries a cap hit of 6.5.....coincid ence???
Organizationally, just in terms of sending a message to the rest of the league in terms of being a legit destination seen as a future contender, it would such an amazing signing.
Looking forward to it. Bringing the wife and 3 year old son, hes getting old enough know hes starting to see something special about the world of "Haak-eey" (as he says it).
Pumped to see Ceci and especially Zibanejad. Heard hes turning heads already at this Dev. Camp.
YES!!! Put me in the pro GRYBA category as well.
Going with a friend. Hope i can get a few signatures at the meet and greet after the game.
Not a Season Seat holder so (as I understand it) Im not entitled to the meet and great.
Could try to slip past the door using my adorable 3 year old in a Sens jersey as a screen. ha.
I do believe i can bring an unlimited (within reason) number oh guests... priority seating and all... just a thought
to me thats a huge issue, considering our floor is now above the original ceiling of when this cba first kicked in
We are right back to where it was before with all elite players wanting to play in detroit/new york/philly/tor onto once again
So we have to spend 10million just to reach the floor now... Yikes... It'll be even worse next year when Alfie and Gonchar are off the books.....
I don't know how the league can justify raising the cap when they own/operate 2 "bankrupt" teams.
Yeah the whole here is my list of "Elite" teams is cheesy
Look what it did for Heatley.
It's like predicting who will win the cup each year. Sure you will THINK Detroit, But they likely will not win the cup.
Arrghh.. and Toronto, it seems mindless to want to go there just because it is a big hockey market.
Winning in a medium sized market VS. Losing in a large market
Why anyone would pick the Leafs over the Sens is beyond me.
Ottawa has become a fine organization in the league. And Toronto has remained the same joke of an organization it was all along.
Salary depth chart:
Michalek Spezza Alfredsson
Greening Turris Neil
Smith Regin Butler
Daugavins O'Brien Condra
Karlsson Gonchar
Phillips Cowen
Gryba
Anderson
Bishop
Bear with my assumptions for the moment. Whether RFAs Daugavins, O'Brien, Gryba, etc., sign for $650K or $700K doesn't really matter - they are place keepers. The bottom line is the assumption that 2 low depth forwards and 1 low depth D sign for a combined $2M. This is appropriate for low level RFAs. Maybe they sign for a combine $500K more. Maybe Boro plays instead of Gryba. These don't change the overall picture very much. I have left Foligno out of this group because his raise is more difficult to predict.
So, we need to spend $8.5M on 3 roster spots (currently Foligno and 2 more defensemen). Seems an additional reason to go after Nash would be to help us make the salary cap floor. Could we reach it with Foligno, Hjalmarsson, and Schultz? Yes, but I don't like the odds of that happening. Bottom line: we need to take on more salary to get to the cap floor.
This just means getting a big name guy like Nash with his 7.8 will help us.
Seee! This is why we NEED Nash's contract, sign Weber and Parise to 6 and 5 year deals respectfully at 8M per!
Cap troubles solved!
Preaching to the choir! I'm all for Rick Nash playing here...
"Canucks brass, GM Mike Gillis and assistant GM Laurence Gilman, are in Toronto preparing to pitch the highly touted prospect and you can be sure part of their sell job is not promises he will play on the No. 1 power-play unit, or even assurances he'll be in Vancouver's top six to start the season."
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Justin+Schultz+comes+down+minutes+Canucks/6854141/story.html
But this did come from the Edmonton journal, where they are trying to keep Edmonton fans hopes alive he will sign with the Oil.
So does that imply that the Canucks have room for him on the ice or not
I think the facts are still the facts regardless of the source
In NO WAY am I comparing Schultz to EK, but you may remember he wasn't the biggest guy in the system when he started, and even today he's just reaching 180lbs after a few seasons with our training staff. In today's NHL size does mean a lot, but skill, speed and mobility are also just as important.
That comment was made to be more of a joke, but you are right, facts are facts. Edmonton offers a better position than Vancouver right now. Nothing we haven't covered here in the last few days already in great detail.
I've heard he is now 6-2, 185. I believe that old listing is a few years old.
Still not the biggest guy but physicality isn't his game.
and again, there is no risk here. You are getting a cheap to sign, free to get, A+ prospect for two years.
Dont know why your so upset, we can go to the cap ceiling no prob with Eugene, we got a good thing going here and UFA's will see that. Getting Nash at 7.8 no doesnt seem so bad, we can always reconstruct the contract, just like that Crosby deal where year 11 and 12 are made to lower cap hit.
If we do not get a top line guy (as much as I wouldn't mind PA I don't think he fits our top line needs) There isn't any point of signing a second line consolation prize, we have an over abundance of second li e fringe first line players.
Last year
PA got 18 goals and 49 assists.
Spezza got 34 goals and 50 assists
Milan got 35 goals and 25 assists.
Personally I would rather see Milan on the second line...although judging by those stats I guess he can stay on the first for now(I still maintain that he will be stronger on the 2nd but so be it)...I personally would prefer someone with more even goals/assists like Ryan/Nash/Parise
Ryan had 31 goals and 26 assists
Nash had 30 goals and 29 assists
Parise had 31 goals and 38 assists
So really what looks better those three who can both finish and set the odd guy up or Parenteau who is a setup guy....he will not help Spezza reach his potential...wou ld he be a good depth guy, yeah for sure...but he absolutely is not the top line talent that we require...consi dering who we already have slotted on our top line.
We don't need to see Spezza to Parenteau to Spezza to Parenteau to Spezza, Michalek goes off because he is exhausted....Sp ezza passes to Foligno...who somehow gets a goalie interference penalty.
Where did you hear that? Man, Boychuk is something I thought Boston would consider untouchable.
Boston already had thomas who was a sens killer we dont need another one
also funny how boston want bishop to backup lehner while still having subban and khudobin in the system as well
Makes you believe even more how dumb it would be to part with him so soon just cause lehner is getting closer to ready
From a buddy of mine who works for the Banknorth Garden arena... seems it leaked out to some of its staff.
I agree... would rather keep him then having to play against him (already have a hard time with the Bs as is)
I would hope we'd get more than that for Bishop. I'd really rather just get a pick back if Boychuk is the option. I feel like we could sign someone similar for free as a UFA.
Parenteau has a scoring side to him, proved it in the minors at least. He was a 20 goal scorer the year before and 18 last year, but I think he was put in situations that required him to be the setup guy. I think the biggest asset he'd bring to Ottawa is his power play skills. And who knows, maybe if Parenteau sets up a few plays we'll see Spezza shoot even more and score more goals. Would be nice to see him break 40!
PA would be encouraged to shoot more, and with Spezza controlling the puck or even alfie/turris for that matter, maclean will be telling PA get to the open space and shoot the puck
I don't agree that signing Parenteau automatically means he'll play with Spezza, but if you see Spezza as the type who could be a serious sniper with the right linemates, maybe a consolation 1st line of Spezza-Parentea u-Michalek where Spezza is instructed to shoot more could work.
Ideally though I think both Michalek and Parenteau are 2nd line players.
This hockey_insiderr guy on twitter was reporting this and he seems to be getting alot of his rumors right. Nobody knows who he is kind of like Eklund but seems like more truth to his rumors.
https://twitter.com/#!/HockeyyInsiderr
I agree somewhat...alth ough I think we have guys who could step in if we are unable to land one of the big three.
Silfverburg/Zibby/Butler maybe Stone and and play around wiht our second line.
Who knows...I don't claim to be better than Murray, I just personally am excited to see our prospects break into the league(especial ly the guys who are ready)
Read that on Twitter. Certainly nothing on that front from the Sens side of things. It has been pointed out above but there is a risk in trading a guy like Bishop within the division.
Just a personal opinion and not based on what contacts are saying but I can't see it.
tell me that next year when he is pounding Smith (or whomever) into oblivion for TO or MTL>
They need someone to back up Rask with some upside. Khudolbin may be able to do it, but I'm sure they'll want some serious depth now. Subban is years away.
how many fights did he have this year? ever see him actually dictate the physical play in the regular season?
x2
I just thought the plan was to get Spezza that sniper he needs...and I don't think Parenteau fits that bill. I also agree with the sentiment that it could open the ice up for both guys to shoot more.
Did I mention I can't wait till July 1st haha
Apart from Boychuk where there any other names floating around on Twitter? (dont have access to that site during work hours)
Does this mean that there won't be a lockout?
thank you
konopka, neil, smith and even greening had more fighting majors than him
Yes he is tough, yes he thugged up boyle in the playoffs, but we are over evaluating his impact on this team.
If you want someone to fight on our team, we have neil and go out and sign brandon prust who is rumored to no longer be staying with NYR
And yes, CBJ could just sign Parenteau directly, but I can't see why he'd want to go there.
Haha, me too! July 1st will be the last xmas until September :)
I agree, we need a sniper for Spezza, but as a backup plan Parenteau or Doan are not terrible. Still hoping Nash though, he's really the best option right now.
saying that somebody has more truth in his rumours than Eklund is like saying that some people have more legs than a snake.
He only played about a third of the season, mainly due to injury. He brings more leadership to the room though than most fighters.
The way Zbad has been working it these past couple of days (been at the pratices and he is just showing dominance over everyone else atm) I'd rather go for Doan for the time being and have Zbad grow into form with the organization.
Is that the only defense we have for fringe players that become fan favorites because they fight?
Leadership in the room. That was the number 1 argument why we should bring back Konopka, now we are hearing it for Carkner. I'm sorry but playing 3 years in the NHL does not make you become this wiseman leader in the room. We have Phillips, Spezza, Alfie, Michalek, Anderon to provide all that stuff
I like carkner, don't get me wrong, but a 1 year deal at 1 mill is the max I'd do because of his overall contributions to the game.
If he wants more and can get more, all the power to him and I'll be happy to watch him play in another uniform. But he isn't a guy that is critical for us to reisgn.
i'll tell you it next year (wherever he is playing) and i'll tell you it again now, signing Carkner to a 3 year deal would be a mistake.
I don't expect Jagr to pass Lemieux this season who holds 7th with 1723 points. He'd need a 71 point season to pull that off, guess it's not impossible, but hard to consider happening.
Selanne on the other hand, if he gets 62 points he'll move himself up the ladder again this year into 14th place passing guys like Hawerchuk, Gilmour, Oats, Trottier and Mikita. Now THAT is doable, barring injury, as he's been above that pace continually. Hard to believe last year he would have been behind Mats Sundin in 27th place.
How long can this guy keep going?? I guess Duck fans will have even more to cheer about this coming season.
If that is the deal yes.... Take it....
Boychuck is a HUGE physical d-man who played 20 plus minutes on a very strong boston team...
Bishop going to Boston is not that big of a deal, Rask is there number one... There are good goalies all over the NHL if Boston wants one Bernier etc... they will get one, may aswell get something that will help us in the process.
Boychuck makes alot of sense for us, excatly the type we are looking for... Big, defensive and can still handle the puck, not to mention a rocket shot.
Cowen Karlsson
Gonchar Boychuck
Phillips Schultz/Boro/Wier
Looks pretty solid
Its a shame he sucked so badly for colorado during those years where him and kariya became the olsen twins and sold themselves as packaged duos
he lost 2-3 good years of production
Not gunna disagree but why would boston pay that price for a back-up goalie? unless Rask injury still hasn't healed?
Top 4 dman plus a 2nd for Bishop when Lindback just got 2 2nds basically?
Good deal, but tough to believe Boston would do that
All the other teams have too many 1-ways under contract currently IMO.
I'd say Edmonton gets him in the end.
His leadership is much more than a 3yr NHL vet. He is the perfect example and role model for those players that have to work hard and spend more time developing their craft in the minors. It's good to have a player like that on the team and I think you underestimate the level of leadership he provides. I agree he's not worth Mike Commodore ridiculous contract money, but if all it takes is 2 years, 1 mil per year to take him back I would do it.
Alferdson is #58 and is only like 70 points from cracking the top 50...
GREAT NEWS AND GOOD FOR HIM!!
1 way?
Maybe the Bishop rumor would be something along the lines of
Ahh could make sense...maybe Bishop to Boston Peverly to Chicago HJALMARSSON to ottawa???
Maybe a pick or two going to someone
That deal would be amazing each team gets what they are looking for and 3 way deals are rare. it would be cool to see one get done.
million. Salary cap hit of $8.7 million.
Wow...
serious?
maybe Bishop + 2nd(chi) to Boston
Peverly +4th(ott) to Chicago
HJALMARSSON 3rd(bos)to ottawa???
I don't think I have ever been this excited for a weekend to end before it has even started.
You kidding me?
No one wants to dance with him anymore.
Again he was hampered by knee injuries, and he proved he could play in the playoffs.
He will sign for 3 Mil, and I think he would be worth it.
Hell we gave Kuba 12 Mil for one good season...No?
What are the penalties, if any, to a team if somebody they have signed to a big contract has to retire because of injuries?
Can you have contracts in the NHL, as you can in the EPL for example, that are pay as you play based?
Man miss that guy... I wish we didnt deal him for Gilroy... I guess we cant win every trade :(
Parenteau could be a good fit with the Senators.
If Murray can get one of Rick Nash or PA Parenteau and sign a vetern defencemen then it wll be a very very good summer for Murray.
who gives a crap about the term, I say 3 mil will get it done, and judging by his play against the Rangers, he was better than Kuba... Carks will take a hit to make a play... Gonchar Kuba Gilroyand! plain and simple
Only 3 fighting majors speaks to just how intimidating he is. No one wants to touch him.
you say i'm overvaluing him, I say you're undervaluing him. He would be missed big time.
was and still am a Lee supporter... good for him, he will get the shot he deserves in TB, and this go down as a bad trade for us... sorry but true
Parenteau should be offensive plan "d" or "e"....I would put all of Nash/Ryan/Paris e ahead of him 1000000%
your right, we missed him dearly all last year when he was injured and in the press box. How on earth did we ever make the playoffs with him only playing 29 games
just for the fun of it I checked and we went 14-12-3 with him in the lineup
If Brian Lee got a 2 year deal, Carkner deserves at least the same.
hell most of you don't want to pay Foligno 3 mill yet are ready to throw that coin at Carkner
I can't believe I have to point this out, but the reason he doesn't have a high number of fights is because nobody wants to fight him. And if anyone doesn't realize the impact he has on a game simply by dressing you're not paying attention.
I think he will go to another team where he has a better chance of ice time if it is available. And if that happens, good for him, too bad for us.
I understand the nobody wants to fight him part. But that vs "protecting the stars" go hand in hand
sure people may have been tentative against hitting our stars but look at the last two years. Has anyone decided not to take a run at Spezza/Alfie/Karlsson?
I know Spezza got rung a few times, Alfie got two concussions and Karlsson got bullied in the playoffs (yes even after Carner went thug on Boyle, don't forget Prust running EK after the whistle with a big hit)
Carkner serves a purpose and yes no one wants to fight him, but he has to be judged for what he brings to the team.
3 million a year? For Carkner? Are you seriously suggesting he is worth more than Chris Neil?
If you are suggesting a 3 year, 1 million per deal then I still think you're wrong but at least I don't think you're insane.
I'm not sure many have said pay Carkner 3mil, we're saying give him 2 yrs if it's term that he needs. At 3mil I think most of us agree to let him walk.
There's nothing wrong with having some prospects sweating it out a little longer in Bingo. Injuries happen during the year and it's important to keep the depth. 7 defencemen really isn't enough. A team really needs about 8-9 with the 8th and 9th as younger prospects.
I completely agree about Carker's impact on the game.
to be clear 3 Mil total!
1 mil over 3 years or
1.5 over 2,
he will get this, we should keep him
talk about overvaluing.
we go from one Rookie making it this year, to
Claeson, Boro, Weircoch, Ceci, Gyrba all a chance at making it, and 2 of them will.
Really, and Lee with 5 years of Pro experience still could not cut it.
We CANNOT have 2 rookies, one sophomore (Cowen) in our lineup next year, we need to keep or get some experience on our top 6 D!
Off to watch Italy now... wish us luck we will need it!
if we strike out dearly on all dmen then we have no other choice
But Id rather give the term and the money to other options, especially with boro and gryba waiting in the wings who play similar style.
Carkner serves a purpose and he is awesome at what he does, bu the way our team plays and the way we are building going keeping him doens't make the most sense if we can find options elsewhere
Right and I'm not talking about getting someone a little extra seasoning. I'm talking about a situation where Murray/MacLean are saying "shit I'd love to have this guy in the NHL now but we don't have room since we signed Carkner".
Not saying that's likely but Murray would know better than all of us the actual chances each prospect D has of making the team. If he fully expects one to make the team and also fully plans on signing a UFA D (or adding one via trade) then signing Carkner makes little sense.
I agree with this. He's great to bring in for the big games where we need the intimidation factor, but paying him any more than that would bring diminishing returns I think. Of course I think he will think financial security and go with the best offer he gets, but I'd like to see us keep him (for reasonable terms of course)
Take the money to be spent on Carkner, put it towards a more useufl top 4 dman (hjarm/murray etc) and then use the bottom pairing for younger guys to develop
Carkner is 32 years old and is not getting any younger
This point is void if Carkner is willing to take a salary of 1 mill with no term attached. I'd give him 2 mill over 2 years, and nothing more. Only because if he is taking up a spot come next year, a player of his skill set can easily be dumped to a team for a 5th round pick, thus clearing up cap space and contract space for us
Gonchar is gone next season.. and they do need veteran presence on the blueline other than Phillips.
It would be hard to deal a good goalie like Bishop to Boston. But Chiarelli said after hearing about Thomas that they would go with Rask & Khodobin.. Is that changed?
Alcatraz, I think one of the main things here, or at least for me, is I'd rather have Carkner in that 7th D role than a prospect who needs to play more to keep growing. Carkner is what he is, not going to change much, but one of the prospects could be hurt by only playing 30 games as the 7th D. I do agree though, if we get Shultz and Hjal and don't trade Gonchar and sign a UFA D then yes, there is no room for him at any price.
So if Ottawa (just throwing it out there) offered up Bishop in a trade, what would you think about going after a guy like Tim Gleason or Jamie McBain. Hell, work out a deal that gets Ryan Murphy, that would be something.
I'd definitely do 2 years at 1 million per, and I think Carkner accepts.
I completely agree. Part of my stance is that I for one do not see Carkner agreeing to a 7th dman role.
and I am completely against giving him anymore than 2 years, preferably 1 year.
All else being considered equal, I agree and he is the perfect fit for that role. But again, in terms of what I'm rpepared to offer and the role I'll offer, I don't see him accepting, and I'm not willing to budge from that offer, even if it means I risk losing carkner.
I would argue the point on players not wanting to fight Carkner, you think Orr was afraid when he knocked him out?
Thats just silly, other fighters are not afraid of Carkner, its a job, they fight, anyone...
Carkner is the Champ, no doubt but it doesnt mean, Parros or Ivanas or Boogeyman(RIP) are afraid to fight him.
I get your point, but how should I put this? If the younger players were NHL ready, I think the baseline decision is not whether or not to keep Carkner out of the lineup, but to move another piece like a Gonchar or Phillips for example. (I'm assuming Murray has gone out to make a free agency signing or trade or two.) I think Carkner's role is well-defined and it doesn't make much sense to have a young D in that role. They would be better served in Bingo playing top minutes.
and no one is denying that. I'm pretty sure we are all saying we as fans and mgmt want that role for him, but its unrealistic to believe that Carkner wants that. Turned down our offer for that role and will wait until July 1st to see if any other team is prepared to offer him a more expanded role (regardless of $$ and term)
easy answer is yes someone will
Hax is right.
Orr was just a paid goon and that's why he's buried in the AHL. Ask him about his shattered orbital bone...
Carkner has proved himself time and time again, and he's probably the top heavyweight currently playing. If you think players aren't more humble when he's dressed you're kidding yourself. Fights will always happen, but as we saw more and more, people know not to mess with Carks.
People seem to disregard him so easily now because he didn't play much this year, but he's the perfect 6-7 D. His knee is probably better as we saw in the playoffs, and he's not just a one trick pony. I actually preferred when he fought less because he was worth more to us than the other scrub that fought him (see Orr) playing 5-6 minutes a game.
Is BM clairvoyant, because the goalie market is at an all time high this summer and I don't feel like anyone saw it coming but him.
lets all agree
1- we like Carkner in the role as 6/7 dman
2- Carkner doesn't like that role as option #1
3- we offered him "market" value for a 6/7 dman
4- Carkner turned it down
5- Carkner will go to market to see if a team is willing to commit several years with an expanded role (4/5 dman)
6- If market is dry and no one is willing, Carkner will come back and accept a 6/7 role since its in his hometown and he likes it here
Important to note: No one in the league will overpay carkner in either annual salary or term, for what he provides. It will all be fair market value for what he actually brings
I can definitely appreciate that, and agree he's not worth offering a bigger role than we have available for him. If he wants top 6 and over 2 years, I am ok with letting him go and wishing him luck.
I think overall he wants what you say he does, but the Ottawa being his hometown and where he got the chance factor might help us a bit if no crazy offers come his way (Burke I'm talking to you!!!)
No way they move Gleason. They just re-signed him and he is the cornerstone of their D. McBain would be a possibility but I think he may have more value than Bishop. It depends how desperate they are. For a budget team like Carolina, affordable players are much more important at depth positions. He's got a very reasonable contract for a #3/4 defenceman.
Oh Tim Gleason
AKA Bryan Smolinski
It's also unrealistic to assume what he wants though either. Carkner is a local guy and maybe wants to stay in Ottawa. He may not necessarily care about his role.
Nobody really knows what he wants except he wants more than a 1 or 2 year term to protect his financial future. He was a late bloomer and knows his window to make money is short. Remember, he originally came to camp a couple of years ago as a forward.
Yeah, he got in while the getting was good. Anyone now is going to pay a very hefty price, more than normal I'd think.
In Carolina's case a few guys are available that could be had for cheap, but it depends how many games they expect a backup to play. Ward has played anywhere from upwards of 60 to 70 games each season, so whomever it is has to cover at least 20 I'd guess. And it's possible more, depending how Ward does. They could sign Auld!!!
a agree... putting a young prospect as the 7th D really worked well with Lee... how to ruin a young propsect, let him sit, when he is better than he starting 6.
Azzurri up 2-0... Forza Azzurri!!!
#Preds resign Gill to 2 year, 4M$
extension. Will probably retire in
Nashville. Would have had no
place on the #Habs team anymore
regardless.
Allen - Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Shultz
Carkner - Boroweiki
BM has continued to say he wants a core group of players to build around, obviously as of right now, they're spezza, karlsson, alfie, michalek...
Nash is YOUNGER than Spezza, so if we were to acquire nash, I still think it would be considered a rebuild. Yes, maybe higher expectations, but Nash isn't like a 2 season rental for the Sens, he's going to be a part of the core group of players... Nash and spezza would be one of the best 1-2 punches in the league while still being able to keep the roster young
I would also be rally glad if we signed hjarl, I just want BM to make a bit of a splash on July 1.
He was traded to Nashville at the deadline.
Not a building block
bernier will most def be moved by september
Yikes!
WOW... I'm LOVING all this Hockey news. And yup, Bernier will be gone. He's almost fallen off the radar lately with all the other trade rumours.
And Gill with a 4 M a year. Wow, they really are upping the level here.
Edit: Sorry, 2 year @ 4M. My Bad!
Isnt that 2 years 4Million total. so 2Mil per...not 4Mil per...that would be WAY too much for Hal Gil...
Anyhoo, going to the 5 on 5 tonight, anyone else going?, cant wait to see them in sorta game action...
Looking forward to seeing Hoffman and Pageau, Zib and Stone in game action.
Noesen and Pumpel need to show something tonight, been pretty unoticeable so far.
Don't let Schultz see that you have him in the bottom pairing.
Some of them have openly stated this is their first time skating in months. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on their results at this camp, but more their progression on the areas they were to work on.
If they don't show anything tonight, they'll still be at the camp in the fall.
Which they do at Dev Camp, which is what is going on at the moment...
I think you're missing the point. If they don't show anything tonight, it's NOT the end of the world for them. They'll regroup with the coaches and staff and find out what to work on further.
There goes our chances of landing Schultz.
I made that correction right after I posted it.
Easy. We the fans keep paying the rent...
Would anyone sign EITHER of them at that price?
Even though Carle is the more defensive player, I would give the $5 mil to him first just because he's a proven commodity.
Thoughts?
Shane Prince is good man
We have a good brass of prospects.
Mike Hoffman was by far the best player on the ice. Ceci imo was second best player on the ice he's got incredible hockey sense.
Team Black didn't do anything and the only player who tried to create was Mika
We gave 5 mil to Gonch basically for his pedigree, but I wouldn't sign either of those two for that much. Just my opinion though.
'Traz can you take over as my hand is getting sore.
I think Penner would be great with us. Picture this...we trade Foligno, Zibanejad and another prospect or two for Nash. Then we do the Z.Smith trade for Hjalmarson. We would be left with something like this;
Michalek - Spezza - Nash
Silfverberg - Turris - Alfie/Stone
Penner - Regin - Neil
Greening - O'Brien - Condra
I think Penner works because he's first of all MASSIVE, second of all he can play on just about any line because he has skill, he can skate when he wants and can check. This would allow the coach to switch him on to any of the top 2 lines if things weren't working out on a given night.
It looks like L.A isn't re-signing him and I think he will be taking a substantial pay cut. We could probably land him for somewhere between 2 and 3 million. I think he could be a real solid 3rd liner with Neiler
The experience of 2 cups doesn't hurt either
Don't be surprised if this happens as we all know Bryan Murray loves the guys
Also had a chance to attend a unique roundtable discussion with Assistant Coach Dave Cameron and Bingo Assistant Steve Stirling prior to the scrimmage. Will pass along some interesting details from that discussion tomorrow AM.
In the meantime, would be interested to hear some reactions from readers that attended the scrimmage and town hall event.
Mika is really focused....watc hing everything that happens on the ice with such intensity. Plus his girlfriend is hot.
Borocop is hungry for a spot...playing very well, good positioning.
Noesen swears....alot!
Stone seemed tired...or sick.
On a personal note....honorab le mention to Lehner. Took the time coming out of dressing room to stop and give my 3 year old props. My boy was shy at first but Lehner waited him out, and he finally gave him a props back. Cowick did it too. Great guys.
Got to chat with Boro-cop after the scrim for a minute as my wife works with his sister and his family was there. His parents actually handed off there "Season Seat Holders" neck-passes to us when they left, so I got to bring my son around the meet and great after and got a hand full of autographs, and ofcourse more "props" for my little guy.
Great night overall. The players looked completely zonked doing autographs. They will sleep well tonight.
I see Minny is now in on the Schultz sweepstakes as per Bob McKenzie.
Just my opinion...but I think he hit a button with the big Swede, cause Lehner looked caught in the moment, and I swear he even blushed a little.
Softy....heh.
See you soon Lehner...theres a bright future for you in Ottawa. Just hang in there.
Awesome!
If and it's probably a big if Sens are talking to the Bruins, I would love for that to be in exchange for Dougie Hamilton in the event they don't win the Schultz sweepstakes.
You add Hamilton into our mix along with Karlsson, Cowen and Ceci, that's one hell of a future top 4...
Alternatively, I'd take Marchand in a heart beat...
I'm telling you Fisher 2.0...
Zib, Noesen and Puempel did nothing tonight, infact they were constantly hemmed into their own zone by the Pageau, Hoffman, Stone line.
Pageau also won 8 of the 12 faceoffs vs Zibanejad.
Doubt Dougie goes anywhere, he's the next Captain of that Bruins squad, to be groomed by Big Z himself!
Marchand is Bruin 4 life yo, according to his tattoo...
Really nice story man :)
http://video.thescore.com/watch/alfredsson-rises-a-tribute
I have to admit that gave me chills!
I don't think anyone would balk at Carkner getting a raise, but not tripling his salary. He earned every penny of the $700k he made last year. If Murray lets him test the market then offers him $1.5M for 1 or two years that's about it. Either he takes it or take a longer/higher offer elsewhere.
I highly doubt Hamilton goes anywhere either but we have some decent pieces. There were some rumblings about Marchand though as some feel that bruins may try to sell high on him.
LeClaire 2.0?
He is a huge partier.
He is a spoiled brat.
He is a whiny baby.
He has the biggest sense of entitlement I've ever seen.
He has the intelligence of your average rock.
He thinks he is god and is above all ordinary human laws and moral codes.
He is the biggest momma's boy I've EVER met.
He has literally been handed EVERYTHING in life. I mean EVERYTHING. Never had to work for a thing.
He is a gutless, cheap shot artist.
He can't stick up for his own actions and it is only a matter of time before he gets hammered for playing like an asshole.
I don't know what he is listed as but he is about 5'8.
Not the type of young kid I would want to stick in the room with the rest of our young kids. I love what he brings to the table - that said, those other factors involving his character plus the fringe (at best) play that he has sometimes turns me off him.
uhhhh so just to be clear you do or do not like Marchand personally?
I obviously. Don't know marchand, but to say an NHL player never worked for anything is a huge stretch afaiac.
*Not to say that he is into coke or anything. Just the whole locker room cancer thing.
Tell us what you really think...
Here is a small recap of my experience.
Got to the arena around 5:30, not expecting to see many people there (this is my first dev camp, i figured most people would be at the signings) and in accordance with my expectations, i was one of the first 5 ppl in the seats.
Not much action happening, seeing a guy on the bench with a habs jersey was a little weird... slowly more people are shuffling in. The pre scrimmage game/friendly was interesting and then i started to look around the arena... it was packed.
6:40 rolls around, they start letting everyone in, people are scrounging for room everywhere in the arena, restaurant, windows, behind the players bench, etc.
Pre-game warmup and player presentation was fun, the intensity starting to build a little, the crowd cheering their favorite players. Some players seemed to be skating faster, pushing harder than others during the warmup. Zbad looked like a giant, especially next to Pageau.
Oh Canada... and the rest is history.
Most of the white team looked good and skated hard, especially Ceci/Pageau/Hoffman.
Team black looked lost really, and Zbad looked very frustrated near the end of the game.
Chirp, any update on the injury? it was asked during the town hall but they didn't have an update.
Thanks for your reports, Tookie.
By the way, you mentioned that Pageau, Hoffman, and Stone played together - was Stone able to keep up with them? They are both pretty quick players, from what I have seen amd heard. I'm a big Stone fan so I'm hoping his skating has improved as much as they say it has...
Fransoo tweeted afterwards. 30 stitches to close the wound but it sounded like he was ok. Tough way to end the scrimmage.
Thats quite some stamina from Shultzy. maybe he could translate that into 30 min a night on the blueline
Now that they have signed Schneider for 4 million a year I can't help but laugh
I mean Schneider cap hit will now be 1.3mm less than Luongo. Just 1.3mm for an unproven goalie that hasn't accomplished anything, where as Luongo has been to cup final (not his fault they lost) won gold medal, played in so many playoff series, wins over 30 games a year
and its not like he has regressed, his stats have remained constant. What a mess that organization is making of it. Now Luongo can really just be a douche if he wants and pull a heatly and choose his destination, or else Vancouver have 11.33 mill tied up in two goalies lol
It sounds like he only wants to go back to Florida. If it happens, they will have a very upset prospect in Jacob Markstrom. They'll end up in the same situation as Vancouver when Markstrom is ready for NHL duties, which should be soon. Dale Tallon may be taking a big risk.
Luongo is awful Cory is future its not that hard Cory is the better goalie ..the guy has only lost 12 times last 48 games gaa under 2 ..save % .928
Ouch, thanks for the update.
Only because Luongo isn't blindsiding the organizations or fans. The fans booed him out of town, cheered whenever he got pulled. Vignault used his goalies to spark his team because he alone couldn't get the job done. Scoring 8 goals in a 7 game series is not enough to win and thats what happened in the SCF, but yet its Luongo fault.
Then they go and face LA and Luongo plays pretty well for two games, but as you say no one could score on LA. So they opt to go to Schneider, and what do they do? lose..But now the deal is sealed and Luongo can't go back in because Vignault has too much pride, and the rest is history
For a once captain goalie, face of franchise, I say eff the organization and hold out, and use your NMC to your favor
Show up to camp, don't get suspended and just watch the ship burn
The Canucks will either have to cave to Burke wishes of a small offer to save the Canucks cap relief, and Luongo can then say no, or the Canucks could flip him to Florida for low offer as well
I'm excited
Anyone see the tweet...Wideman was also given a full NMC lol
I don't want our Sens to face Luongo every other game.
Basically its either Toronto or Florida, so as much as we don't want to..its a possibility
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delete! damn wait period after posting to post again
If realignment ends up going through as proposed, we may have to anyway.
AWESOME!!!!
Not Everything...NO T YET!
Stanley Cup in 2 years, Cmon Dark Knight rise again!!!
I think that he would be an excellent partner, but the rumoured 5 million a year seems an awful lot for a 27 year old who has only play 2 and a bit years in the NHL. I would think that 3 million is a safe salary for him.
Carle on the other hand has played 7 years in the NHL and has done quite well for himself... 4.5-5 would be alright for him... Philly would be crazy to let him go though with ????'s on pronger and timminon
He was offered a deal and rejected it. He wanted longer than a 1 year deal and Ottawa wasn't willing to offer that for the amount he wants. Ottawa won't commit to that when they have up and coming prospects fighting for roster spots. Let's not forget that Ottawa took a shot on Carks when no one else would. I'm a fan of his, my brother was a friend of the family (back in high school) and I don't want to see his time end in Ottawa just yet. However this is a business and Carks made this decision.
Besides, just because we have cap space doesn't mean the money being used isn't real. How many owners do you know that want to spend 1+ million to pay a player to sit and watch 90% of the games?
Well Stone knows his role well, he didnt try or have to keep up with them, he would usually trail the play and once in the zone, where Pageau and Hoffman worked the halfwall to perfection, he would go setup infront of the net.
It was clear he could not keep up but not many people could, especially the black team, including Zib, Noesen, Puempel, who were stuck in the D zone everytime that line came on...
Stone got the 2nd assist on the Hoffman goal, stopping a clearing attempt and half shooting it on Pageau who made a perfect touch pass to Hoffman. He also missed a glorious chance on a 2 on 1 with Hoffman, he shot it high over the net while looking at an open net...
Even if you someohow believe Luongo is good value for his cap hit, surely you must think it will become an achor at some point. These long term goalie contracts are ridiculous.
I truly believe we are entering an era where very few goalies will have staying power.
One year the guy is on top, the next year he's a complete bum...it's the nature of the position based on the fickle nature of the goalie breed and the quality of scouting to exploit weaknesses.
Granted there are exceptions but choosing them is going to become increasingly more difficultLook at a guy like Fluery...he pretty much sucked in the playoffs last year (I do expect him to bounce back)
Tim Thomas went from hero to villain in one short summer (extentuating circumstances obviously)
Carey Price was outplayed by Halak, only to regain form after Halaks' departure,
Bryzgalov was a sure thing heading into Philly but looked ordinary on most nights and downright awful on others.
Elliot - somehow tranisitioned from should not be in the NHL to one of the best records last year.
Ultimately, a goalies success can hinge on so many factors including the players in front of him and the systems used that locking up large amounts of money for extended periods of times seems to be one hell of a gamble.
I think the answer lies in replenshing your goalie prospect cuboard and limitting contracts to 3 years.