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Tuesday, 26 June 2012 10:18

Chasing Schultz and Other Notes

After Tim Murray took to the air waves yesterday and declared an interest in defenceman Justin Schultz, fans are a buzz with the possibility of adding a 21 year old impact defenceman to the organization.

Murray explained that the Senators are one of what he believes is 3-5 teams with a real shot at landing the coveted free agent.  There are obviously other teams that are going to be pushing hard to land Schultz but it’s a great sign that the Sens feel as though they are in the mix.

Other insiders and experts have listed the teams involved and seem to be overlooking the Ottawa Senators.  The Oilers, Canucks, Leafs and Rangers are mentioned as the front runners but obviously the Sens Assistant GM knows something the rest of the so called experts do not.

The Senators are definitely in the running.

The team believes that the combination of available minutes and a chance to play on a team that is close to contending should be a huge draw for Schultz.  The former Wisconsin Badger wants a chance to be an impact player and Tim Murray believes he has a chance to be that here in Ottawa.

The Sens also have a reputation for giving NCAA players a chance to play including Jesse Winchester, Bobby Butler and Stephane Da Costa.

While I would by no means call the Sens the favourite in the Justin Schultz sweepstakes, they are definitely at the table.  As they have shown throughout this off season so far, Bryan and Tim Murray are committed to making this team better this off season.

  • Sens Development Camp kicked off today with medicals and fitness testing this and on-ice workouts this afternoon.  Mika Zibanejad is in attendance and indicated that he’s feeling better after suffering a concussion near the end of last season and according to a tweet by Allen Panzeri of the Ottawa Citizen, will play in Bingo if he can’t crack the Sens roster next season. Go here for the full Development Camp Roster.
  • Steve Lloyd of the Team 1200 pointed out this morning that according to the team’s Development Camp Guide, goalie Robin Lehner has gone from 6’3/220lbs to 6’4/241lbs.  That is one huge Swedish goalie.
  • As mentioned on this blog yesterday, the Senators have shown an interest in retaining Jesse Winchester and Matt Carkner but have yet to reach out to UFA to be Zenon Konopka. Certainly sounds like Konopka will be headed elsewhere this off season. 
  • Meanwhile, Andy Strickland reports that the Sens have already begun talks to extend Chris Neil. Neil has one year left on his deal, paying him $2 million a season.
  • Big loss for the Binghamton Senators was announced this morning as centre Corey Locke has signed an agreement to play in Finland next season.  Locke was an impact player for the BSens and his contributions will be sorely missed.  Locke played a huge part in Binghamton’s Calder Cup Run.

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+2 #1 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-06-26 09:25
Also interesting to note that the Avalanche will not qualify Peter Mueller, who will therefore become a UFA. He would be a nice reasonably priced fit in our top 6.

And I'd rather Konopka than Winchester. Winnie has been useful but his recent concussion problems is alarming.
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+1 #2 Merchaholic 2012-06-26 09:26
Sounds good. Hope we land Schultz and pick up a top 6 forward. Just saw this posted as well about the "Nash Fiasco" which I commented with... If he doesn’t want to come to Ottawa than just say so. In all honesty we don’t need him.


Sens assistant GM doesn’t want to beg Rick Nash to come to Ottawa

The Ottawa Senators’ interest in acquiring Rick Nash is a curious situation. Nash would give them a major offensive weapon but Nash reportedly doesn’t have Ottawa on his list of teams he’d accept a trade to. What to do then if you’re the Senators?

Ottawa assistant GM Tim Murray says their pursuit of Nash is shrouded in a bit of secrecy but they don’t want to have to sell him on coming to Ottawa. Wayne Scanlan of Senators Extra gets the lowdown.

Generally speaking, Murray said, the Senators would not try to “talk somebody into coming to Ottawa,” beyond the usual pitch of this being a competitive club, a good city, with a friendly travel schedule.

“If you have to beg, it’s probably the wrong player that you’re talking to,” Murray said.

Nash could always alter his list or just say he’s cool with going to Ottawa and make things easier. Then again, maybe Murray makes a good point on having to campaign to a guy about coming to your town. If joining a playoff team and playing alongside Jason Spezza isn’t an enticing switch from Columbus, there’s not much else you can do aside from maybe cry a little on the inside.
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+6 #3 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 09:28
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Also interesting to note that the Avalanche will not qualify Peter Mueller, who will therefore become a UFA. He would be a nice reasonably priced fit in our top 6.


Or just give it to Foligno who has same stats as Mueller

Mueller best year ever was rookie season and 22g/54pts and hasnt played a full season in 4 years. Not a fan

Foligno/Silf/Stone all deserve a shot over Mueller at top 6
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0 #4 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-06-26 09:29
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Also interesting to note that the Avalanche will not qualify Peter Mueller, who will therefore become a UFA. He would be a nice reasonably priced fit in our top 6.


Or just give it to Foligno who has same stats as Mueller

Mueller best year ever was rookie season and 22g/54pts and hasnt played a full season in 4 years. Not a fan

Foligno/Silf/Stone all deserve a shot over Mueller at top 6


Oh agreed. I'm a huge fan of Nicky.
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0 #5 Merchaholic 2012-06-26 09:32
We will have some sick lines this season. We're only getting better every minute. Hopefully I can make some games this season. The new addition to the family makes it a little difficult lol.
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+2 #6 SensChirp 2012-06-26 09:34
Quoting Merchaholic:
Sounds good. Hope we land Schultz and pick up a top 6 forward. Just saw this posted as well about the "Nash Fiasco" which I commented with... If he doesn’t want to come to Ottawa than just say so. In all honesty we don’t need him.

Important to note that Murray also said they have no indication from Nash on whether or not he's interested in Ottawa despite some reports that he turned down a deal to Ottawa.
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+5 #7 filliam 2012-06-26 09:35
Let Columbus know we are still interested and by the end of the summer, when almost everyone is out of the running due to his cap hit and the assets required, they will come to us - and demand less. If that fails, oh no, we get to keep a bunch of assets.
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+6 #8 A Train 2012-06-26 09:36
Nash doesn't just need to OK it, he needs to be thrilled at the prospect of becoming an Ottawa Senator.

This isn't like when we traded for Heatley or even high-profile UFA signings like Kovalev. In 2012 Rick Nash would instantly step into a major leadership role on our team, and that would only increase as Alfie and Phillips fade away.

He'd need to be more than just a sniper. A definite NO if he needs to be begged.
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0 #9 DenisVial 2012-06-26 09:40
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Also interesting to note that the Avalanche will not qualify Peter Mueller, who will therefore become a UFA. He would be a nice reasonably priced fit in our top 6.

And I'd rather Konopka than Winchester. Winnie has been useful but his recent concussion problems is alarming.


The only thing Mueller is capable of doing is keeping Winnie company in the dark room. I think we have enough question marks in our lineup without adding another.
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+1 #10 Hax 2012-06-26 09:50
Good to hear Mika is doing well. And I wonder if CBJ is aware he's healthy and also willing to play in the AHL etc - increases his value somewhat.

Too bad about Locke but I think Bingo will still be miles better this year even without him. If I were Murray I'd be open to trading a few of the B-level prospects as well if they'd help sweeten any deals. Then go and sign an AHL UFA or two to provide a bit of leadership in Bingo etc.
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-2 #11 novascotian 2012-06-26 10:05
I am really not sold on Schultz...
There was a big deal about Bobby Butler and Da Costa before they signed to if I recall and look how they turned out...

Also the fact that he is pretty much demanding top 4 ice time without even playing an NHL game in his life is kind of a turn off.

I people will say he is a high pick and not an "overager" but he has yet to play a single NHL or AHL minute...

I am sure he is a good player but I would much rather a player come in and earn his ice time (look at Cowen)

If we get Schultz thats fine, but I hope Maclean treats him equal to every other defender on our team and plays him accordingly
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-2 #12 Sensnation 2012-06-26 10:10
Thank God Locke is finally gone! It was nice to have him while the cupboards were bare but at this point he'd just be taking minutes from one of our real prospects.

Is the Konopka contract not pending the Carkner one? I thought they still wanted to bring both back if Carkner's agent doesn't get in the way.

As for Winchester, I can only hope they just let him go. Between him, Butler and Condra, those are 3 roster spots taken and really only 1 of them should be on the team (probably Condra).

I'm hopeful they offer the Karlsson's partner gig to Shultz or at least can sell him on that possibility, but not going to hold my breath the way things have been going.
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+2 #13 TrueSensFan 2012-06-26 10:14
I do not know where everyone gets this "I doubt he will want to play in Ottawa" or "That guy does not want to come to Ottawa" attitude comes from.

I read it over and over again in the last comment section and have seen it many many times when discussing possible additions to the Sens in the past.

Why do some of you assume this is a a given?

I have never heard of players thinking Ottawa was a shit city with a shit NHL club. The opposite has been true, where players love it here, want to stay here and have nothing but good things to say

It is almost always the same people saying it so just wondering why you are making those claims/assumptions.

As for the topic at hand re: Nash, he has not once said he does not want to come to Ottawa, it was just not on his initial list but that could change and there have been no confirmation of CLB even asking him if he would waive to come to Ottawa. Tim said what he said about not begging because that is where the line of questioning drew him not because he thinks he has to beg Nash etc.
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+3 #14 spezzerman 2012-06-26 10:21
Schultz was a 2nd round pick who would immediately become most teams best prospect and you get to skip 4 years of developing the guy.

He has only said he wants to go somewhere where there is an opportunity for top 4 ice time, he hasn't "demanded' it. IN Ottawa, he would likely earn the top 4 ice time anyway and the Sens could certainly use him.

Dacosta and Butler were undrafted longshot projects - gambles if you will. There is no comparison and I don't know why people keep bring them up and saying things like "look how they turned out."

would be a huge feather in the Sens cap if they sign him.
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0 #15 stephen mchugh 2012-06-26 10:22
hey chirp i doubt this is true.but this is what someone said on hockeybuzz.have it on good authority that a Blue Jackets representative will be at the Sens on ice practice session at 1:30 p. e.s.t. to evaluate players that would be part of Nash Deal. Ottawa has by far the more talented group of prospects and that is what Howson is horny for. Nash to T.O. not imminent.
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0 #16 SensChirp 2012-06-26 10:26
Quoting stephen mchugh:
hey chirp i doubt this is true.but this is what someone said on hockeybuzz.have it on good authority that a Blue Jackets representative will be at the Sens on ice practice session at 1:30 p. e.s.t. to evaluate players that would be part of Nash Deal. Ottawa has by far the more talented group of prospects and that is what Howson is horny for. Nash to T.O. not imminent.
- jaz258

Where abouts did ya read that? Certainly haven't heard that detail on my end but that would certainly add fuel to the fire.
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0 #17 stephen mchugh 2012-06-26 10:31
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting stephen mchugh:
hey chirp i doubt this is true.but this is what someone said on hockeybuzz.have it on good authority that a Blue Jackets representative will be at the Sens on ice practice session at 1:30 p. e.s.t. to evaluate players that would be part of Nash Deal. Ottawa has by far the more talented group of prospects and that is what Howson is horny for. Nash to T.O. not imminent.
- jaz258

Where abouts did ya read that? Certainly haven't heard that detail on my end but that would certainly add fuel to the fire.

it was on hockeybuzz in the comment section.just wondering if its true.
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-1 #18 Misaow 2012-06-26 10:32
TSF,

Most people assume players don't want to come to Ottawa because:

1) not one of the big 6 clubs (original 6)
2) not on the coast (either coast)
3) it's cold up here
4) lack of a night life (apparently very important for young athletes)
5) metric system
6) much higher taxes

Now you guys might think that #5 isn't a real thing but a few years ago, i believe it was in Basketball, some athletes said they did not wish to play for the raptors because they did not want to subject their children to the ''useless'' metric system. I just think they didn't want to play for TO...
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+2 #19 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 10:32
a few things:

1- I thought the ball was in or court
2- I thought a deal was in place but Nash said No
3- I thought Nash hadn't said no, but its waiting on him
4- I thought CLB wanted more from us, so thats where the deal has stalled

So many reports on this and to be honest, coming to watch a development camp really shouldn't tell a team much about other team's prospects

The camp is to see where your prospects started and how they are now.

CLB watching a few drills, or some on ice really won't get much insight into how good/bad a prospect is
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-1 #20 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 10:34
Quoting Misaow:
TSF,

Most people assume players don't want to come to Ottawa because:

1) not one of the big 6 clubs (original 6)
2) not on the coast (either coast)
3) it's cold up here
4) lack of a night life (apparently very important for young athletes)
5) metric system
6) much higher taxes

Now you guys might think that #5 isn't a real thing but a few years ago, i believe it was in Basketball, some athletes said they did not wish to play for the raptors because they did not want to subject their children to the ''useless'' metric system. I just think they didn't want to play for TO...


haha Antonio Davis

He also referred to Canadian history, saying he'd prefer his kids grow up in USA learning American History (which is actually somehwat a valid point)
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+3 #21 The Apostle 2012-06-26 10:34
Quoting TrueSensFan:

As for the topic at hand re: Nash, he has not once said he does not want to come to Ottawa, it was just not on his initial list but that could change and there have been no confirmation of CLB even asking him if he would waive to come to Ottawa. Tim said what he said about not begging because that is where the line of questioning drew him not because he thinks he has to beg Nash etc.


I think we can all agree that Ottawa wasn't on the initial list that Nash provided to Howson.

Therefore it's safe to say we aren't his number one choice, or even in his top five if circumstances such as cap room and assets were no consideration.

I agree it is far too soon to be jumping to the conclusion that he won't come to Ottawa, but it's very clear he would rather be somewhere else if that could be made to happen. Therefore the conclusion will be that Nash would want Howson to explore every possible angle he can with the teams that are on the list before Nash would consider extending it.
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0 #22 Sensnation 2012-06-26 10:37
Quoting novascotian:
I am really not sold on Schultz...
There was a big deal about Bobby Butler and Da Costa before they signed to if I recall and look how they turned out...

Also the fact that he is pretty much demanding top 4 ice time without even playing an NHL game in his life is kind of a turn off.

I people will say he is a high pick and not an "overager" but he has yet to play a single NHL or AHL minute...

I am sure he is a good player but I would much rather a player come in and earn his ice time (look at Cowen)

If we get Schultz thats fine, but I hope Maclean treats him equal to every other defender on our team and plays him accordingly


Too early to judge Butler and Da Costa. Butler had a great rookie year and met the regular sophomore slump. Da Costa hasn't even made the NHL yet, but is considered a really good 2nd line C type prospect. Also Schultz was drafted, not just signed out of college as a free agent, his ceiling is expected to be a lot higher than the other two.

Yes he could fail, but as was pointed out yesterday by others, he's signing an ELC so the financial costs will be minimal if he fails and we'd be getting him for free.
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-1 #23 Misaow 2012-06-26 10:38
Quoting Alcatraz:
haha Antonio Davis

He also referred to Canadian history, saying he'd prefer his kids grow up in USA learning American History (which is actually somehwat a valid point)

Isn't that referred to as World history??
:)
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+6 #24 taxman 2012-06-26 10:38
One thing that confuses me:
Everyone says we need someone to play with Karlsson, and everyone has assumed that that person will be the guy that Murray trades for / signs this off-season. But Murray has said on numerous occasions that he wants a veteran guy, not necessarily a big name. I know you can't always take everything he says at face value, but in my view, the most logical person to play with Karlsson this year is Cowen. I know he's young, but he looked damn good paired with EK last year, and the only reason that changed was that injured players came back, and Cowen, as a rooky, started to struggle in mid season. With another year under his belt, and given our long-term plans for him, combined with the type of player EK needs to play with, to me, the D pairings for this year will likely look something like the following.

Karlsson - Cowen
Philips - UFA / Schultz / trade
Gonshar - Boro
Carkner
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-1 #25 TrueSensFan 2012-06-26 10:44
Fair response Alcatraz on the Nash front but, too many rumors out there so until I hear Nash say no to Ott, Howson say Nash said no or from Tim or Bryan then it ain't true lol

and some decent points Misaow, I guess I was just reacting to reading that about every single player that the Sens are pursuing that are either FA's or have NTC's (anyone with a choice)
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-17 #26 sben 2012-06-26 10:44
After this year if were able to sign Gonchar for 4.5 mil a year 3 years. Should we do it. Yes or no. If not what should the contract be. Why? Personally I find 4.5 a little too much but I would do 3.5 for 4 years.
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+2 #27 MethotToMyMadness 2012-06-26 10:44
Quoting Sensnation:
Thank God Locke is finally gone! It was nice to have him while the cupboards were bare but at this point he'd just be taking minutes from one of our real prospects.

Is the Konopka contract not pending the Carkner one? I thought they still wanted to bring both back if Carkner's agent doesn't get in the way.

As for Winchester, I can only hope they just let him go. Between him, Butler and Condra, those are 3 roster spots taken and really only 1 of them should be on the team (probably Condra).

I'm hopeful they offer the Karlsson's partner gig to Shultz or at least can sell him on that possibility, but not going to hold my breath the way things have been going.


The hold on Konopka (from what I was told and mentioned yesterday) is still related to what Carkner decides to do. Sens gave Carkner an offer, unsure what that is, and he's weighing his options based on what his agent has told him.
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+1 #28 RUSHRLZ 2012-06-26 10:47
Count me in the camp that would much rather retain Zenon than Winchester. Further to everything that has already been discussed, ice time, faceoffs, Winnie injury issues... Zenon and Carks certainly bring that element of toughness depth that we so sorely need come playoff time. Let's not discard all our sandpaper and get "Ducked" again in the post season.

If we land Schultz, which would be amazing, what are the odds that Ceci cracks the bigs this year? I've heard mixed reactions to our draft pick, from he is the most NHL ready defenceman in the draft right down to he needs at least another year. If Schultz + Ceci are both on our blueline next year... wow, that alleviates a massive need for our organization.

Then is really REALLY makes sense for a Nash/Ryan type of trade. Stocked between the pipes and all set with talented defense, all we'd need really is a key 1 or 2 pieces up front, and a star 1st liner would really fit the bill!

Being hopeful I know but this is shaping up to possibly be an enormous season for us, we'll see how the chips fall during the next week we'll have a pretty good idea of where we are headed.
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+10 #29 The Apostle 2012-06-26 10:47
Quoting sben:
After this year if were able to sign Gonchar for 4.5 mil a year 3 years. Should we do it. Yes or no. If not what should the contract be. Why? Personally I find 4.5 a little too much but I would do 3.5 for 4 years.


what colour is the sky in your world?
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+7 #30 SensChirp 2012-06-26 10:47
Quoting sben:
After this year if were able to sign Gonchar for 4.5 mil a year 3 years. Should we do it. Yes or no. If not what should the contract be. Why? Personally I find 4.5 a little too much but I would do 3.5 for 4 years.

Hmm.
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+4 #31 novascotian 2012-06-26 10:47
Quoting sben:
After this year if were able to sign Gonchar for 4.5 mil a year 3 years. Should we do it. Yes or no. If not what should the contract be. Why? Personally I find 4.5 a little too much but I would do 3.5 for 4 years.


You would sign gonchar into his 40's for that much?? yikes
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+5 #32 Sensnation 2012-06-26 10:48
Quoting sben:
After this year if were able to sign Gonchar for 4.5 mil a year 3 years. Should we do it. Yes or no. If not what should the contract be. Why? Personally I find 4.5 a little too much but I would do 3.5 for 4 years.


After this year we should let Gonchar walk! Ceci, Boro and Claesson at the very least should be ready to compete for a spot or two, maybe even Gryba, Wiercioch and Wideman.

Add to that whichever UFA D we sign this year and we'll be pretty full without him. Also, we'll need his hefty salary to put towards other players.
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+7 #33 Tcharger 2012-06-26 10:53
Resign Gonchar....man someone has hit the bottle early today
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-7 #34 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 10:55
Quoting Tcharger:
Resign Gonchar....man someone has hit the bottle early today


Could be worse, we could resign Konopka...yowse rs
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+2 #35 TrueSensFan 2012-06-26 10:59
LOL sben... ummmmmm no

there are better options out there for that price tag
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+3 #36 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-06-26 10:59
Quoting sben:
After this year if were able to sign Gonchar for 4.5 mil a year 3 years. Should we do it. Yes or no. If not what should the contract be. Why? Personally I find 4.5 a little too much but I would do 3.5 for 4 years.



Gonchar was born in April 1974, and has 1 year left on his contract.

He will be 39 next April, So he will not be offered any extension, or a new contract in Ottawa, as the Senators will replace him with a younger defenceman.
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0 #37 Misaow 2012-06-26 10:59
I love ZK28 on the team, but i also understand that he is unfortunately surplus at this point, which to me seems very unfortunate.

Also no to Gonchar, unless it's for league minimum, and only so we can trade him.
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-2 #38 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 11:02
Quoting Misaow:
I love ZK28 on the team, but i also understand that he is unfortunately surplus at this point, which to me seems very unfortunate.

Also no to Gonchar, unless it's for league minimum, and only so we can trade him.


But gonchar is a leader in the room. If you watch sens TV clips you will see him in practice teaching players and is a greta mentor just ask Malkin

We need to keep him because of that

(insert sarcasm in referene to the intangibles many say Konopka brings aside from his 4 min a game and 7 FO a game)
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0 #39 kingalfredsson 2012-06-26 11:11
gonchar sucks
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+2 #40 Tookie 2012-06-26 11:11
Heading over to the Sens dev camp with a buddy, ill try and post updates on players during the workout.
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+1 #41 Misaow 2012-06-26 11:12
Quoting Alcatraz:
(insert sarcasm in referene to the intangibles many say Konopka brings aside from his 4 min a game and 7 FO a game)

I like him cause he would get the crowd into the games early last season, and he was bad mouthing ''Céline'' Dion Phaneuf at last years open house when i got his autograph.
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-1 #42 novascotian 2012-06-26 11:19
I am very curious to find out how much Neil will be extended for. Rumours has it Murray and Neil are in talks right now. As a 33 it's safe to say his offensive numbers are not going to go up. That being said his physical play will likely remain the same (maybe slight decline) and he has really become a leader in the past couple years. I hope he get somewheres in the range of 4 years at a 1.75 cap... 2mil first 2 years and 1.5 last 2 years.


Also some interesting RFA's did not get qualifying offers...

Latendresse - Terrible luck with injuries, Played VERY well when he was healthy for Minnie, might be an interesting gamble at a very low cap hit (like league min.)

Anton Stralman - Had a very good play-offs with Rangers... undersized but could be a good fit in a bottom pairing with gonchar or phillips. Good puck possession guy and would fit nice on the second PP

Marc-Andre Gragnani - One year ago made the Canada WC team and everybody was talking about big things for him... Really did not fit well in Vancouver but played Excellent in his short time in Buffalo, might be another cheap gamble

Benoit Pouliot - Was just traded to Tampa and likely to resign but you never no (would be an excellent fit next to turris and alfie)

Eric Fehr - I only put his name here because I recall somebody always mentioning his name ever year
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-1 #43 DenisVial 2012-06-26 11:21
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Heading over to the Sens dev camp with a buddy, ill try and post updates on players during the workout.


I'm curious to see if our sumo wrestler goalie is blocking the whole net now! Lehner's going to have no problem clearing people out of his crease at 240 pounds!
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+1 #44 jakester 2012-06-26 11:23
The Columbus rep at practice today is there to ask Zibanejad - how many fingers am I holding up?(Concussion test).

Gonchar - please - Murray probably working the phones to trade him right now. At the very worst we should get a 2nd rounder for him at the trade deadline.

I hope Noesen really impresses - starts off where he left off on fire! Columbus rep back off Noesen. lol
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0 #45 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 11:34
Ottawa make an appearance on Friedman's 30 Thoughts:

20. Do believe the report that the Ottawa Senators is not on Rick Nash's list, but this would be a really good fit. He'd look great with Jason Spezza and Erik Karlsson creating opportunities. The Senators will need a top winger to replace Daniel Alfredsson (how could Alfredsson retire if Nash actually did show up?). This is a team with the assets to close a Columbus deal. Don't know how flexible Nash is willing to be, but it wouldn't hurt to consider this.

21. Another attraction to Ottawa would be that the team is on the rise. Senators GM Bryan Murray didn't want to discuss Nash, but did slightly temper things: "We've got a lot of good young players, but we have to see which ones take the next step and which ones 'flatten out.'"

22. One of the keys for Ottawa will be finding a new partner for Karlsson. Filip Kuba, as it stands now, is unlikely to return. Jared Cowen would be a good fit, but Murray doesn't see any reason to split up the successful Cowen-Sergei Gonchar pairing.

23. A lot of questions about Karlsson's new seven-year, $45.5-million contract. It was a bit of a surprise because there was a minimal bonuses and no lockout protection. Karlsson did the Senators a favour by taking less cash with Gonchar's and Spezza's current contracts still on the books, providing flexibility. Murray and Senators owner Eugene Melnyk repaid him with a longer term than they initially wanted. Plus, if the age of unrestricted free agency rises in a new collective bargaining agreement, they'll be forced to qualify Karlsson at $7.5 million -- the final-year salary of this deal. Fair deal for both sides.
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-1 #46 SensChirp 2012-06-26 11:40
30 Thoughts from Friedman a must read as always. Includes a bit on Nash to Ottawa possibility.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/06/time-to-free-up-nhl-free-agency-30-thoughts.html
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+2 #47 Daybreak Maidenhead 2012-06-26 11:43
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Heading over to the Sens dev camp with a buddy, ill try and post updates on players during the workout.


Thanks - I enjoy these "live action news reports" from real fans.

They're so much better than the coverage in the local McPaper and McTabloid
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-2 #48 conor_smythe 2012-06-26 11:44
Chirp !

Thanks for the help ;)


Everybody else,

Time to slap some sense into ya!

Why all the fuss about Nash? Theres a dozen guys in the league to be had with lower salary and who will require less going the other way.

6 years at 7.8? You guys realize his cap hitis only 900k less than crosby and malkin... and he puts up nowhere near the numbers. Its a joke of a contract.

We may as well just see what kovalev is up to


Patrick sharp. Marian hossa. Bobby ryan. David backes. These are players/contrac ts we should be looking for


Nash is essentially being heatley to cbj. Why would we want an pverpaid spoiled baby.. again
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-2 #49 SensChirp 2012-06-26 11:45
Quoting conor_smythe:
Chirp !

Thanks for the help ;)


Welcome back!
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+1 #50 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 11:46
Quoting conor_smythe:
Chirp !

Thanks for the help ;)


Everybody else,

Time to slap some sense into ya!

Why all the fuss about Nash? Theres a dozen guys in the league to be had with lower salary and who will require less going the other way.

6 years at 7.8? You guys realize his cap hitis only 900k less than crosby and malkin... and he puts up nowhere near the numbers. Its a joke of a contract.

We may as well just see what kovalev is up to


Patrick sharp. Marian hossa. Bobby ryan. David backes. These are players/contracts we should be looking for


Nash is essentially being heatley to cbj. Why would we want an pverpaid spoiled baby.. again


because nash pulled a heatley and asked to be traded?

In fact in all of this Nash has been nothing but classy to the CLB organization. If anything its Howsen treating nash like a douche and extending this sage 6 months long
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0 #51 zachpraisetheswedes 2012-06-26 11:50
I personally think Gonchar is a great player. Every time I talk with a knowledgable hockey person they always agree. He is one of the very best puck movers in the league. The Cowen-Gonchar pairing I thought worked very well and should again this year.
I think signing him to a 1 year extension would be great for us. Chances are Ceci won't be ready next yeat and if he will he prob won't be good enough to take on a top 4 role yet. Gonchar will want to play in Sochi so hell want to play that one more year and I think he'll still be a very effective player. Having his presence on the 2nd powerplay unit is extremely valueble. And chances are hed re-sign for something like 3mill.

As for Schultz. I really really want this kid. That would be such a massive addition for us
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0 #52 beeblebrox 2012-06-26 12:01
Quoting sben:
After this year if were able to sign Gonchar for 4.5 mil a year 3 years. Should we do it. Yes or no. If not what should the contract be. Why? Personally I find 4.5 a little too much but I would do 3.5 for 4 years.


Welcome to SensChirp, John Ferguson Jr.!
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0 #53 Tcharger 2012-06-26 12:01
Chirp on twitter you say the rumors aren't going away...I haven't seen or heard much of anything since Friday.
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0 #54 Studebaker Dunlop 2012-06-26 12:03
Quoting sben:
After this year if were able to sign Gonchar for 4.5 mil a year 3 years. Should we do it. Yes or no. If not what should the contract be. Why? Personally I find 4.5 a little too much but I would do 3.5 for 4 years.


Old Rock Star Gonchar will be back in Pittsburgh for low money or in Russia for bigger money next year.
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+2 #55 two to Tootoo too 2012-06-26 12:13
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Heading over to the Sens dev camp with a buddy, ill try and post updates on players during the workout.


Please take note of any NFL scouts that are there to check out 240 pound Left Guard Lehner
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0 #56 taxman 2012-06-26 12:18
How awesome would it be to have Hossa back. Not that it would ever happen of course.
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0 #57 Merchaholic 2012-06-26 12:20
@SensTown
hockey central just stated that Nash to
Ottawa deal hold up is #Sens not on his
list. Otherwise it would be a done deal.
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0 #58 Tcharger 2012-06-26 12:20
Another move I wishes had never done...love and loved Hossa even more back then
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-1 #59 ZipZapRap 2012-06-26 12:24
Murray needs to do something big this summer
I cant handle another wasted year with foligno and michalek

We need top 6 guys that can play in the 2nd half of the season/playoffs

Spezza has been going to waste since heatley left
this is just getting stupid now

enough with the revolving door of retard forwards on the top line. Get a threatening top 6 or bust...again
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+2 #60 SensChirp 2012-06-26 12:25
Quoting Tcharger:
Chirp on twitter you say the rumors aren't going away...I haven't seen or heard much of anything since Friday.

Well that's because CBJ seems set on waiting until July 1. Sens are still interested. Not much more people can say at this point.
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-1 #61 Biggauv 2012-06-26 12:25
Quoting Tcharger:
Chirp on twitter you say the rumors aren't going away...I haven't seen or heard much of anything since Friday.


Yep,

The rumor is almost dead and we all hope Nash will be trated anywhere soon. The only chance for the Sens trading for Nash was before the draft and now its finished, the Sens will have to target some free agency players next july 1st.
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+3 #62 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 12:25
Quoting ZipZapRap:
Murray needs to do something big this summer
I cant handle another wasted year with foligno and michalek

We need top 6 guys that can play in the 2nd half of the season/playoffs

Spezza has been going to waste since heatley left
this is just getting stupid now

enough with the revolving door of retard forwards on the top line. Get a threatening top 6 or bust...again


Man what a waste Spezza was last year finishing 4th in scoring and 6th in Hart Trophy voting

such a waste
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0 #63 Sen EH Tors 2012-06-26 12:27
Quoting Merchaholic:
@SensTown
hockey central just stated that Nash to
Ottawa deal hold up is #Sens not on his
list. Otherwise it would be a done deal.



We'll I guess Nash is just like the rest of the idiots

Do you really think by picking teams like Detroit, Chicago, Ny, that you will have a chance at a cup.

If he doesn't see the potential here then screw him.
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0 #64 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 12:27
Quoting Biggauv:
Quoting Tcharger:
Chirp on twitter you say the rumors aren't going away...I haven't seen or heard much of anything since Friday.


Yep,

The rumor is almost dead and we all hope Nash will be trated anywhere soon. The only chance for the Sens trading for Nash was before the draft and now its finished, the Sens will have to target some free agency players next july 1st.


False, since our offer never included a 2012 draft pick it had no bearing on us getting nash so we are still very much in the hunt
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0 #65 Tcharger 2012-06-26 12:28
To ZipZapRaps defence(can't believe I am doing this)...imagine he had a top 3 winger and not someone like Greening for the whole year...there is a real possibility he won both
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+3 #66 Tookie 2012-06-26 12:28
Have to admit Zib looking great in thr confusion drill, sidestepping players with ease.
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+1 #67 my2sens 2012-06-26 12:31
Just want to say if Sundin is on list for HOF, Alfie is a shoe-in!!! Especially after he takes the cup next year!!
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0 #68 Tookie 2012-06-26 12:35
Lehner does look like 241lbs, beast, mobility still there but mot as fast as last year.

Van Riemsdyke is huge and fast!
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+1 #69 Doc 2012-06-26 12:36
Quoting ZipZapRap:

Wow you dime a dozen internet dipshit...


Pot, meet Kettle.
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0 #70 LeGatinois 2012-06-26 12:37
Any reasons why Wiercioch, Silfverberg and Petersson are not at the development camp ?
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+10 #71 SensChirp 2012-06-26 12:38
@ZipZapRap

The debate and conversation has been excellent in here lately and I won't let you turn it into repetitive comments about how much you hate Michalek/Foligno.

We did that at the end of last year and it became the focus of the comment section. Not gonna happen again.

Thanks
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0 #72 Tcharger 2012-06-26 12:38
Apparently they wanted to limit the guys to players that they didn't know as well.
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+1 #73 ZeddyP 2012-06-26 12:39
@zipzap ....dude lay off the anger pills man
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0 #74 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 12:39
Quoting Tcharger:
Apparently they wanted to limit the guys to players that they didn't know as well.


Only have so many spots, and I believe Weircoch is training with Randy Lee all summer anyways (along with Turris)
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+2 #75 SensChirp 2012-06-26 12:41
Quoting LeGatinois:
Any reasons why Wiercioch, Silfverberg and Petersson are not at the development camp ?

Age and numbers. Don't believe any of the 2008 picks (Wiercioch/Pete rsson) were brought to camp this year and Silfverberg is already coming off a long season.
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-6 #76 ZipZapRap 2012-06-26 12:41
Quoting SensChirp:
@ZipZapRap

The debate and conversation has been excellent in here lately and I won't let you turn it into repetitive comments about how much you hate Michalek/Foligno.

We did that at the end of last year and it became the focus of the comment section. Not gonna happen again.

Thanks




Still seems as though some people believe Michalek was top notch in the playoffs

and how about Greening boy did he earn that top line spot


What a joke.. The team and the "fans"

Enjoy losing again Clearly Im the only one that hates the clear path of failure we are on with Michalek Foligno
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+12 #77 daddy_of_daddies 2012-06-26 12:43
Some pple need to gain some serious perspective on Rick Nash. There is a reason Murray is linked to having interest in him, because he is the best GM at building a hockey club this franchise has ever seen and he's smarter than all of you.

Rick Nash is onlu 900k less of a cap hit than Crosby/Malkin and puts up nowhere near the numbers?? Rick Nash has never played with Crosby/Malkin/S taal/Neal/Letan g like those guys do. Look to the Olympics, he was unreal, he IS ELITE.

You put that guy on our top line and he's putting up 50 goals and 90 points for the next 3 seasons for fun. He immediately becomes the best winger scoring winger we have ever had and he's still in his prime. Injuries do become a factor as the body gets older later in his contract but if we want to win a cup in the next 5 years, we need to have a player like him on our team.

Murray is brilliant if he can land Nash for the right price and we have more than enough orospects coming in the future years who we need to make room for. Oh and also, don't forget people, there is an NHL draft every June where you can continue to draft more prospects. Quantity for Quality, the time is now!!

First ever post - felt good.
Go SENS
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+1 #78 JRMcPeeWee 2012-06-26 12:45
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Have to admit Zib looking great in thr confusion drill, sidestepping players with ease.


Thanks for the updates, Does Lehner look huge ?
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0 #79 The Apostle 2012-06-26 12:47
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting LeGatinois:
Any reasons why Wiercioch, Silfverberg and Petersson are not at the development camp ?

Age and numbers. Don't believe any of the 2008 picks (Wiercioch/Petersson) were brought to camp this year and Silfverberg is already coming off a long season.


Isn't Borowiecki there?
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+3 #80 taxxer 2012-06-26 12:48
Quoting ZipZapRap:
Quoting SensChirp:
@ZipZapRap

The debate and conversation has been excellent in here lately and I won't let you turn it into repetitive comments about how much you hate Michalek/Foligno.

We did that at the end of last year and it became the focus of the comment section. Not gonna happen again.

Thanks




Still seems as though some people believe Michalek was top notch in the playoffs

and how about Greening boy did he earn that top line spot


What a joke.. The team and the "fans"

Enjoy losing again Clearly Im the only one that hates the clear path of failure we are on with Michalek Foligno


ZipZapRap,

You'll find if you act like an adult people might treat your opinions with a little more respect. Try it sometime.
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0 #81 Merchaholic 2012-06-26 12:49
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Lehner does look like 241lbs, beast, mobility still there but mot as fast as last year.

Van Riemsdyke is huge and fast!


Think VR would be a good prospect?
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+3 #82 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 12:50
its ok

zipzaprap is also on penschirp saying they need to trade fleury because playoffs is all that matter

he is also on rangerschirp saying to trade Gaborik and he is also trying desperately to let any Canucks fan that will listen that both sedins need to go, because its been two straight playoff series where they have disappeared
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+5 #83 daddy_of_daddies 2012-06-26 12:50
Also wanted to say, as for him not wanting to come to Ottawa, slow your role everybody. It's not a Heatley situation, not even close. The guy gave a short list of teams and like most players in the NHL, Ottawa was not a top destination for him. The guy is from London, he's a GTA boy. There are other places he'd love to play and lets be honest, Ottawa isn't a dream of 98% of boys growing up. It DOESNT mean that he doesn't/wouldn' t play here, we don't need to get offended and crucify him. I'm sure if he can't get his dream scenario, he would see the benefits of playing here and happily join this team with the class and good attitude that he has and we should all embrace him for it if the trade does happen instead of waiting to shit on him if anything goes wrong which I know many Sens fans would be waiting to do
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0 #84 Dirtysweet 2012-06-26 12:50
Anyone else sick of all of this Nash crap? Seriously...shi t or get off the pot. I feel bad for our players that have been mentioned in these rumors and for all of their the blood, sweat and tears these players have given to our organization... just makes me sick.
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+5 #85 freebird 2012-06-26 12:51
Quoting ZipZapRap:
Quoting SensChirp:
@ZipZapRap

The debate and conversation has been excellent in here lately and I won't let you turn it into repetitive comments about how much you hate Michalek/Foligno.

We did that at the end of last year and it became the focus of the comment section. Not gonna happen again.

Thanks




Still seems as though some people believe Michalek was top notch in the playoffs

and how about Greening boy did he earn that top line spot


What a joke.. The team and the "fans"

Enjoy losing again Clearly Im the only one that hates the clear path of failure we are on with Michalek Foligno


Slapped down by the owner and you still bitch and whine.

START YOUR OWN BLOG !
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+4 #86 RUSHRLZ 2012-06-26 12:53
Quoting JRMcPeeWee:
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Have to admit Zib looking great in thr confusion drill, sidestepping players with ease.


Thanks for the updates, Does Lehner look huge ?


He's looking ripped. Check it out.

http://t.co/4ELOt7Yb
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0 #87 JRMcPeeWee 2012-06-26 12:58
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
Quoting JRMcPeeWee:
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Have to admit Zib looking great in thr confusion drill, sidestepping players with ease.


Thanks for the updates, Does Lehner look huge ?


He's looking ripped. Check it out.

http://t.co/4ELOt7Yb


He will be clearing his own crease.
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0 #88 SensChirp 2012-06-26 12:59
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting LeGatinois:
Any reasons why Wiercioch, Silfverberg and Petersson are not at the development camp ?

Age and numbers. Don't believe any of the 2008 picks (Wiercioch/Petersson) were brought to camp this year and Silfverberg is already coming off a long season.


Isn't Borowiecki there?

He most certainly is. Good point.
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+3 #89 Tcharger 2012-06-26 12:59
After speaking to Lehner, I must say this guy has really matured -- especially in his dealings with media. No longer a loose cannon.

Mendes, just tweeter this....best news so far
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+1 #90 Hax 2012-06-26 13:04
Ottawa Senators ‏@NHL_Sens

The players are at the Bell Sensplex for the 1st on-ice session of #DevCamp. #Sens TV will have daily recaps all week. http://pic.twitter.com/Rz49fQ70
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+1 #91 Hax 2012-06-26 13:08
My kingdom for an ignore button!

MM9 and Foligno are both great assets but I think most agree our team would be much better if we had enough top 3 talent to push MM9 to the second line and Foligno to the third. Both are young enough though that they could find their way into a bigger role even with stiffer competition.
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+3 #92 SensChirp 2012-06-26 13:09
Quoting Hax:
Ottawa Senators ‏@NHL_Sens

The players are at the Bell Sensplex for the 1st on-ice session of #DevCamp. #Sens TV will have daily recaps all week. http://pic.twitter.com/Rz49fQ70

Barely even feels like there was an off season this year. Last season I was counting down the day till Development Camp. This year it really snuck up on me.

Looking forward to the scrimmage on Thursday
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+2 #93 Sandy 2012-06-26 13:09
Quoting Merchaholic:
@SensTown
hockey central just stated that Nash to
Ottawa deal hold up is #Sens not on his
list. Otherwise it would be a done deal.


That's bull.. based on what Tim Murray said yesterday.

Bryan called Howson to find out what they were looking for in return for Nash. AND THAT'S IT. No discussions on if Nash would waive his NTC for Ottawa. No discussions on who they would want..

I would take Hossa back in a heartbeat over Nash.

Now Carkner may decide to go to July 1st (think I read that in the Citizen) and they are not going to re-sign Konopka.. then keeping Zack Smith is a necessity.

I don't want this team to be thought of as 'soft' anymore.

Rumours are Edmonton wants Hjarlmasson and will offer MPS.

EK was saying that the Leafs are in on Nash and have a great chance of landing him. Something like Kulemin, Kadri and a D should get it done. After all Toronto can offer as good as any other team.
Now what in the hell is this guy on?

They are also getting Parise, Schultz & Luongo.

So I guess Burke goes to Bettman and asks him if the Leafs can have a higher limit on the salary cap to get all of these great players.

Interesting to hear today on the Team that one of the things some of the owners/GMs want -- is to stop the 'rich' teams from burying their contract mistakes in the minors.. a la Jeff Finger and Wade Redden. Now I wonder how that will fly.
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+6 #94 Tookie 2012-06-26 13:12
Not a bad first half, impressed with Zib, Boro, Pageau, Van Riems and Hoffman. Want to see more of Puempel, Stone, Noesen.

Murray on his phone for past 10 minutes...
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+5 #95 stephen mchugh 2012-06-26 13:15
two players i would never trade is stone and silverberg,ther e the future and i hope they both make it this season.
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+3 #96 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 13:16
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Not a bad first half, impressed with Zib, Boro, Pageau, Van Riems and Hoffman. Want to see more of Puempel, Stone, Noesen.

Murray on his phone for past 10 minutes...


hopefully its not with a Bell service rep, may be on it for another 45 minutes
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+1 #97 The Apostle 2012-06-26 13:17
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Not a bad first half, impressed with Zib, Boro, Pageau, Van Riems and Hoffman. Want to see more of Puempel, Stone, Noesen.

Murray on his phone for past 10 minutes...


do you mean you want to see more before passing judgement or that they haven't been impressive so far.
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+3 #98 Sandy 2012-06-26 13:19
Quoting SensChirp:
@ZipZapRap

The debate and conversation has been excellent in here lately and I won't let you turn it into repetitive comments about how much you hate Michalek/Foligno.

We did that at the end of last year and it became the focus of the comment section. Not gonna happen again.

Thanks



Thanks for that Chirp. I thought that zipzapCRAP was gone somewhere else.. Nothing but a Leaf troll. Make him persona non grata
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+1 #99 Tookie 2012-06-26 13:21
Quoting Merchaholic:
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Lehner does look like 241lbs, beast, mobility still there but mot as fast as last year.

Van Riemsdyke is huge and fast!


Think VR would be a good prospect?
Quoting Merchaholic:
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Lehner does look like 241lbs, beast, mobility still there but mot as fast as last year.

Van Riemsdyke is huge and fast!


Think VR would be a good prospect?


Yeah I think so, longterm dev tho, showing just a bit more intensity and decisivness, good kid to have.
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+3 #100 RUSHRLZ 2012-06-26 13:22
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Murray on his phone for past 10 minutes...


Ok Tooks. Screw the prospect updates, keep an eye on Murray for us!

Just kidding, great updates. When are you changing your name back?
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+3 #101 RUSHRLZ 2012-06-26 13:30
Quoting stephen mchugh:
two players i would never trade is stone and silverberg,there the future and i hope they both make it this season.


Every player has a trade value. That being said these are the two guys I am most excited to see suit up next season and prove what they can do!
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+1 #102 Dirtysweet 2012-06-26 13:30
Does Winnipeg have the cap space to re-sign Kane?
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+2 #103 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 13:32
Quoting Dirtysweet:
Does Winnipeg have the cap space to re-sign Kane?


yes

www.capgeek.com is the best source great tools and can answer any cap related question
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+3 #104 Merchaholic 2012-06-26 13:33
Ken Warren via twitter : The Senators have
given qualifying offers to Nick Foligno, Jim
O’Brien, Kaspars Daugavins, Stephane Da
Costa and Erik Gryba.
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+3 #105 The Apostle 2012-06-26 13:33
Quoting Dirtysweet:
Does Winnipeg have the cap space to re-sign Kane?


Not if he wants more than 20 million a year they don't.
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+12 #106 RUSHRLZ 2012-06-26 13:34
Wow. Lehner on being #3. From Mendes

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/06/26/ottawa_senators_rick_nash_rumours_robin_lehner_mika_zibanejad/

"It's a marathon, not a sprint. They're doing what they think is best for me," explained Lehner. "They're not trying to go against me. They are trying to develop me as good as they want. I'm an asset to them and they want me to do as good as possible. You have to trust them -- they have lots of hockey experience in this organization. I'm 20 going on 21 and I don't know that much. I'm just eager to play and eager to show myself. I've been shooting myself in the foot sometimes and taking a couple of steps back. Now I'm trying to go forward here."
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+5 #107 Tcharger 2012-06-26 13:35
Awesome...there is the maturity I was hoping would be found this year
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+10 #108 Hax 2012-06-26 13:35
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
Wow. Lehner on being #3. From Mendes

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/06/26/ottawa_senators_rick_nash_rumours_robin_lehner_mika_zibanejad/

"It's a marathon, not a sprint. They're doing what they think is best for me," explained Lehner. "They're not trying to go against me. They are trying to develop me as good as they want. I'm an asset to them and they want me to do as good as possible. You have to trust them -- they have lots of hockey experience in this organization. I'm 20 going on 21 and I don't know that much. I'm just eager to play and eager to show myself. I've been shooting myself in the foot sometimes and taking a couple of steps back. Now I'm trying to go forward here."


From the man himself - hopefully this stops the "Lehner is being mistreated and is gonna run back to the SEL" crap.
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+4 #109 stephen mchugh 2012-06-26 13:36
Ian Mendes | June 26, 2012, 1:45 pm


Robin Lehner has heard his name in the rumour mill this month, as the Ottawa Senators try to land Rick Nash as part of a blockbuster trade.

But the young goaltender insists that he is not expecting to be dealt to the Columbus Blue Jackets, even though he would likely be included if a trade was to materialize.

"I'm confident -- I'm not too nervous," Lehner said on Tuesday morning. "I really like this organization and I don't want to leave this organization. I don't think it's going to happen -- that's my gut feeling. If it would happen, then I'm an asset and they're going to use me as best as they can."

The Senators have a handful of young prospects that might be attractive to Blue Jackets general manager Scott Howson if he decided to engineer a trade with Ottawa. In addition to Lehner, prospect Mika Zibanejad's name has been tossed around as trade bait for Nash. The club's first round pick from last season says having his name included in trade rumours is something he has to learn to deal with.

"I guess it's a new thing for me as a young player in this league. But I guess it's just getting used to it," said Zibanejad. "There are going to be a lot of rumours and stuff. You just have to stay focused where you are right now and kind of deal with that when it happens. You can't worry about it that much because it's going to distract your training. So just block it out somehow."

Both Lehner and Zibanejad are in Ottawa this week to participate in the Senators development camp for top prospects. Lehner, who many feel is ready to play in the NHL right now, remains third on the Senators' depth chart for goaltenders.
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+5 #110 SensChirp 2012-06-26 13:36
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
Wow. Lehner on being #3. From Mendes

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/06/26/ottawa_senators_rick_nash_rumours_robin_lehner_mika_zibanejad/

"It's a marathon, not a sprint. They're doing what they think is best for me," explained Lehner. "They're not trying to go against me. They are trying to develop me as good as they want. I'm an asset to them and they want me to do as good as possible. You have to trust them -- they have lots of hockey experience in this organization. I'm 20 going on 21 and I don't know that much. I'm just eager to play and eager to show myself. I've been shooting myself in the foot sometimes and taking a couple of steps back. Now I'm trying to go forward here."

After a rocky season, he is saying all the right things early on. Great to see.
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+1 #111 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 13:37
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+3 #112 Mike Bauer 2012-06-26 13:38
If Im Ottawa, there D could look quite good next season, but I do my best to convince Carkner to be a 7th D-man...you need his toughness for certain teams.

That said, Kenopka would do just fine IMO for the toughness and I'd prefer Kenopka on the 4th over Carkner as the 7th

I wouldn't sign Winchester Back and I'd do everything in my power to trade Butler, but my guess is they waive him ...

Defence for sure:

Karlsson, Cowen, Gonchar, Phillips.

Fringe:
Boro, Weircoch, Gryba, Ceci

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if Ceci made the team on a 9 game tryout...but in the end, the best thing for him is to spend another season in Junior...

I'd say Boro has a spot for sure and they will likely sign someone from the UFA crop...
Leaving Wiercoch and Gryba to fight for the 7th.

Up front, I have no doubts we will see another top 6 forward be added...and I wouldn't be surprised if 2 of MZ, Stone and Silfverberg start in the AHL if they do add a top 6...

Either way, the toughest decisions for coaching and management will be in a few years when all of:

Puempel, Noesen, Prince, Pageau, MZ, Silfverberg and Stone are ready to play....yikes, who do you get rid of then...LOL. I don't think ALL of those players will be bonafide players, but you gotta think 75% will be. Add to that, I think this time next year we will be having a good laugh of how Maidens was the steal of the 2012 draft...cant believe he slipped to the third round....unless he's the next Brett Lindros, he will be a player for sure...
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+3 #113 Mike Bauer 2012-06-26 13:43
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
Wow. Lehner on being #3. From Mendes

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/06/26/ottawa_senators_rick_nash_rumours_robin_lehner_mika_zibanejad/

"It's a marathon, not a sprint. They're doing what they think is best for me," explained Lehner. "They're not trying to go against me. They are trying to develop me as good as they want. I'm an asset to them and they want me to do as good as possible. You have to trust them -- they have lots of hockey experience in this organization. I'm 20 going on 21 and I don't know that much. I'm just eager to play and eager to show myself. I've been shooting myself in the foot sometimes and taking a couple of steps back. Now I'm trying to go forward here."


I always laugh when I hear dumb fans saying that "LEHNER IS GONNA ASK FOR A TRADE BECAUSE HE'S BEING DISRESPECTED". Fact is, if he works hard and shows what he's capable of, he will be here sooner than later, but the bottom line is, there is no rush...like he said HE'S 20 YEARS OLD....lots of time. Lots!
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-1 #114 Tookie 2012-06-26 13:45
Not a good drill for Lehner, everything going in..
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+3 #115 The Apostle 2012-06-26 13:46
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Not a good drill for Lehner, everything going in..


trade him now
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0 #116 Hax 2012-06-26 13:49
Carks as our seventh guy makes sense assuming we don't go and sign TWO other D (which is highly unlikely). I think we still need one but if push comes to shove we can shuffle internally.

Karlsson - UFA
Gonchar - Cowen
Phillips - 2nd UFA
Carkner

If BoroCop, Gryba or Wiercioch look ready to play with Phillips then skip the 2nd UFA.

I'd slot Ceci to go back to junior but of course if he's lights out in camp then that's a good thing.

Worst case, with no new blood:

Karlsson - Cowen
Gonchar - Borowiecki
Phillips - Wiercioch
Carkner

Then you can start hunting for a trade or UFA next summer to take Gonchar's slot.
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+3 #117 Sandy 2012-06-26 13:51
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
Wow. Lehner on being #3. From Mendes

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/06/26/ottawa_senators_rick_nash_rumours_robin_lehner_mika_zibanejad/

"It's a marathon, not a sprint. They're doing what they think is best for me," explained Lehner. "They're not trying to go against me. They are trying to develop me as good as they want. I'm an asset to them and they want me to do as good as possible. You have to trust them -- they have lots of hockey experience in this organization. I'm 20 going on 21 and I don't know that much. I'm just eager to play and eager to show myself. I've been shooting myself in the foot sometimes and taking a couple of steps back. Now I'm trying to go forward here."


Gee I guess that talk with Alfie when he went to Bingo after his 5 game stint in Ottawa.. must have really sunk in... He wants to be here.. and Mr. Murray.. he had better stay...
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+4 #118 383 2012-06-26 13:53
Quoting daddy_of_daddies:
Some pple need to gain some serious perspective on Rick Nash. There is a reason Murray is linked to having interest in him, because he is the best GM at building a hockey club this franchise has ever seen and he's smarter than all of you.

Rick Nash is onlu 900k less of a cap hit than Crosby/Malkin and puts up nowhere near the numbers?? Rick Nash has never played with Crosby/Malkin/Staal/Neal/Letang like those guys do. Look to the Olympics, he was unreal, he IS ELITE.

You put that guy on our top line and he's putting up 50 goals and 90 points for the next 3 seasons for fun. He immediately becomes the best winger scoring winger we have ever had and he's still in his prime. Injuries do become a factor as the body gets older later in his contract but if we want to win a cup in the next 5 years, we need to have a player like him on our team.

Murray is brilliant if he can land Nash for the right price and we have more than enough orospects coming in the future years who we need to make room for. Oh and also, don't forget people, there is an NHL draft every June where you can continue to draft more prospects. Quantity for Quality, the time is now!!

First ever post - felt good.
Go SENS


If I was able to "thumbs up" this 20 times, I would.
Good post.
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+6 #119 Sensnation 2012-06-26 13:54
So now Lehner's done his part in the maturity department, if the added bulk hasn't hurt his game in the short term while he adjusts to it, I sure hope the Sens actually mean it this year when they say they'll keep the best goalie!
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+1 #120 The Apostle 2012-06-26 13:55
Quoting Hax:
Carks as our seventh guy makes sense assuming we don't go and sign TWO other D (which is highly unlikely). I think we still need one but if push comes to shove we can shuffle internally.

Karlsson - UFA
Gonchar - Cowen
Phillips - 2nd UFA
Carkner

If BoroCop, Gryba or Wiercioch look ready to play with Phillips then skip the 2nd UFA.

I'd slot Ceci to go back to junior but of course if he's lights out in camp then that's a good thing.

Worst case, with no new blood:

Karlsson - Cowen
Gonchar - Borowiecki
Phillips - Wiercioch
Carkner

Then you can start hunting for a trade or UFA next summer to take Gonchar's slot.



I would like one other D to come in (not including Schultz). Carkner as D7. D6 filled with a mixture of the Bingo kids to see which ones of them step up.

If we do sign Schultz I would still like another, more experienced, dman in.
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+2 #121 Sandy 2012-06-26 13:56
The supposed rumour of any of the Sens prospects going to Columbus is from the (I know it all) Toronto media and the Ottawa Sun.

Murray has not discussed any players in a trade for Nash..
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-5 #122 taxman 2012-06-26 13:57
lol the thought of getting traded to Columbus scared Lehner straight it would seem.
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+2 #123 Hax 2012-06-26 13:58
Quoting The Apostle:
I would like one other D to come in (not including Schultz). Carkner as D7. D6 filled with a mixture of the Bingo kids to see which ones of them step up.

If we do sign Schultz I would still like another, more experienced, dman in.


So wait, add Schultz, Carks plus one more AND have D6 for the rookies to fight over? Who leaves? Gonchar ain't getting traded and Phillips sure ain't either.

Or am I misunderstandin g?
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+5 #124 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2012-06-26 14:00
By the time Lehner will actually play for the big club he'll be 6'4 and a half and like 250+.

Looking at him, I'm shocked he's only 20. Looks like a man already. And now the maturity is kicking in!! Amazing!


I honestly think one of the best thing our Franchise has going for it is not only the scouting of talent but the Developing of talent.
We have no our staff professionals from every field necessary. Our power skating coach along with our strength and conditioning coaches have worked wonders.
Anyone remember how bad a skater Foligno was or even Spezza, O'Brien and now Stone??
Or how childish some of our prospects looked in terms of muscle mass i.e Karlsson
I think that really gives us a massive advantage especially over teams like Columbus which rarely seem to be able to take their bluechip prospects to the next level.

Again...lots of credit to Bryan Murray for hiring the best of the best
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-1 #125 Tcharger 2012-06-26 14:03
Joe Sakic, Adam Oates, Mats Sundin and Pavel Bure all Hall of Fame bound. Thoughts?


Meh
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0 #126 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2012-06-26 14:04
Quoting 383:
Quoting daddy_of_daddies:
Some pple need to gain some serious perspective on Rick Nash. There is a reason Murray is linked to having interest in him, because he is the best GM at building a hockey club this franchise has ever seen and he's smarter than all of you.

Rick Nash is onlu 900k less of a cap hit than Crosby/Malkin and puts up nowhere near the numbers?? Rick Nash has never played with Crosby/Malkin/Staal/Neal/Letang like those guys do. Look to the Olympics, he was unreal, he IS ELITE.

You put that guy on our top line and he's putting up 50 goals and 90 points for the next 3 seasons for fun. He immediately becomes the best winger scoring winger we have ever had and he's still in his prime. Injuries do become a factor as the body gets older later in his contract but if we want to win a cup in the next 5 years, we need to have a player like him on our team.

Murray is brilliant if he can land Nash for the right price and we have more than enough orospects coming in the future years who we need to make room for. Oh and also, don't forget people, there is an NHL draft every June where you can continue to draft more prospects. Quantity for Quality, the time is now!!

First ever post - felt good.
Go SENS


If I was able to "thumbs up" this 20 times, I would.
Good post.



Agreed. Probably the best poast I've read on here
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+3 #127 The Apostle 2012-06-26 14:04
Quoting Hax:
Quoting The Apostle:
I would like one other D to come in (not including Schultz). Carkner as D7. D6 filled with a mixture of the Bingo kids to see which ones of them step up.

If we do sign Schultz I would still like another, more experienced, dman in.


So wait, add Schultz, Carks plus one more AND have D6 for the rookies to fight over? Who leaves? Gonchar ain't getting traded and Phillips sure ain't either.

Or am I misunderstanding?


Scenario A
Karlsson, Cowen, Gonchar, Phillips, UFA, Bingo, Carkner

Scenario B
Karlsson, Cowen, Gonchar, Phillips, UFA, Schultz, Carkner

My rationale is if we sign Schultz and use a bingo kid we have a very inexperienced blueline.


OR if Schultz is signed on an ELC, won't that automatically be a 2 way deal and therefore he becomes one of the Bingo kids.
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+2 #128 SwedishSens 2012-06-26 14:09
Bigger Stronger Confident goalie with Amazing Skill and pedigree

Yeah he deserves the minors... lol

Release the Lehner !!!
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0 #129 TrueSensFan 2012-06-26 14:10
Quoting Tcharger:
Joe Sakic, Adam Oates, Mats Sundin and Pavel Bure all Hall of Fame bound. Thoughts?


Meh


I wholeheartedly agree with meh as the clear winner in that group lol

on a serious note, I would agree mroe with Oates, Sakic a little less and not thrilled about the other 2 to be honest
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+2 #130 Hax 2012-06-26 14:10
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting Hax:
Quoting The Apostle:
I would like one other D to come in (not including Schultz). Carkner as D7. D6 filled with a mixture of the Bingo kids to see which ones of them step up.

If we do sign Schultz I would still like another, more experienced, dman in.


So wait, add Schultz, Carks plus one more AND have D6 for the rookies to fight over? Who leaves? Gonchar ain't getting traded and Phillips sure ain't either.

Or am I misunderstanding?


Scenario A
Karlsson, Cowen, Gonchar, Phillips, UFA, Bingo, Carkner

Scenario B
Karlsson, Cowen, Gonchar, Phillips, UFA, Schultz, Carkner

My rationale is if we sign Schultz and use a bingo kid we have a very inexperienced blueline.


OR if Schultz is signed on an ELC, won't that automatically be a 2 way deal and therefore he becomes one of the Bingo kids.


Okay I'm with you then. Cowen's a sophomore and Karlsson's not showing it but he's still very young. So if we add both a Bingo rookie AND Schultz that's asking a lot.
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+5 #131 Tookie 2012-06-26 14:11
Most impressive so far...Hoffman, guy is possessed!
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+1 #132 Yaro 2012-06-26 14:12
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Not a good drill for Lehner, everything going in..

One would say a good drill for shooters. But it's Tookie lol
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+8 #133 Tookie 2012-06-26 14:15
Borocop is a mean motherf...gonna make the team for sure...
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-4 #134 skunkpound 2012-06-26 14:15
I'm sick of nick foligno wasting a top six postion hes a third liner on any contender not top 6 and i say trade him and his 800 goaltender interferance penalties per season
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-3 #135 sben 2012-06-26 14:16
5 years from now

Michalek/Spezza/Stone or silf
Puempel or Prince/MZ/Stone or silf
Puempel or Prince/Greening/Noeson
2ndround/JGP/2ndround

Ceci/Karlsson
Cowen/Boro
2nd or third round/steal

Lehner/Bishop



This isn't taking into account Maidens or whoever we'd get for Foligno or Da Costa or Butler if they are good or Schultz if possible or any other prospects or people I might have missed. As Sens fans w are in a good position.
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+5 #136 daddy_of_daddies 2012-06-26 14:16
Quoting ZachPraiseTheSwedes:
Quoting 383:
Quoting daddy_of_daddies:
Some pple need to gain some serious perspective on Rick Nash. There is a reason Murray is linked to having interest in him, because he is the best GM at building a hockey club this franchise has ever seen and he's smarter than all of you.

Rick Nash is onlu 900k less of a cap hit than Crosby/Malkin and puts up nowhere near the numbers?? Rick Nash has never played with Crosby/Malkin/Staal/Neal/Letang like those guys do. Look to the Olympics, he was unreal, he IS ELITE.

You put that guy on our top line and he's putting up 50 goals and 90 points for the next 3 seasons for fun. He immediately becomes the best winger scoring winger we have ever had and he's still in his prime. Injuries do become a factor as the body gets older later in his contract but if we want to win a cup in the next 5 years, we need to have a player like him on our team.

Murray is brilliant if he can land Nash for the right price and we have more than enough orospects coming in the future years who we need to make room for. Oh and also, don't forget people, there is an NHL draft every June where you can continue to draft more prospects. Quantity for Quality, the time is now!!

First ever post - felt good.
Go SENS


If I was able to "thumbs up" this 20 times, I would.
Good post.



Agreed. Probably the best poast I've read on here


Appreciate it. I have read these comments for over a year and finally decided to sign up and add my $0.02. Fact is fans are always trying to find the negatives in these situations but if you can make this move you do it. A big, olympic Canadian winger, who hits, scores a ton and is a leader is a player i've always wanted on this team. These are the guys you win cups with and I think that's what we all want in the end isn't it?
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-1 #137 miguel 2012-06-26 14:20
Quoting conor_smythe:
Chirp !

Thanks for the help ;)


Everybody else,

Time to slap some sense into ya!

Why all the fuss about Nash? Theres a dozen guys in the league to be had with lower salary and who will require less going the other way.

6 years at 7.8? You guys realize his cap hitis only 900k less than crosby and malkin... and he puts up nowhere near the numbers. Its a joke of a contract.

We may as well just see what kovalev is up to


Patrick sharp. Marian hossa. Bobby ryan. David backes. These are players/contracts we should be looking for


Nash is essentially being heatley to cbj. Why would we want an pverpaid spoiled baby.. again


Nash lovers will not like this but ther is plenty merit to what is being stated here... 8 mil for 6 more years, and he seems to be going down in production not up.
And no it is not quite the Heatley, but there are some similarities.
I agree, lets look at other possibilities around the league before going after someonw who is not sure if he wants to come here to make 8 FREAKIN MILL a year!
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-2 #138 Biggauv 2012-06-26 14:20
It appears discussion between Matt Carle and Flyers are in limbo.

What do you think about offering him a 32 M/6 years in Sens uniform??

This guy is a solid puck moving defenceman and a good shut down defenceman ready for 22-23 minutes of icetimes...
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+4 #139 Hax 2012-06-26 14:20
Quoting skunkpound:
I'm sick of nick foligno wasting a top six postion hes a third liner on any contender not top 6 and i say trade him and his 800 goaltender interferance penalties per season


Sorry to hear that. Try Pepto maybe and also mix in some hockey lessons. And maybe spell-check.

Not that anyone would argue that if he's on our third line our top 6 must be really solid, but the guy is still young and improving so in 2-3 years he might be considered a top 6 guy other teams wish they had.
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+8 #140 daddy_of_daddies 2012-06-26 14:20
I like our prospects too and lining up our future fantasy rosters with all of them slotted in is fun but unrealistic to what actually takes place in real life. These guys are assests as much as they are prospects and management is here to build a winner. A lot of you will cry when your dream 2014 Senators roster is ruined but everything will be okay once you see what Mr. Nash would do for this team and the next level he'd take us to in the next 3-5 seasons.

Side note: I hope they keep Lehner, loved him since day one. Attitude stays like that and he's got Lundqvist level potential I really believe that
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+3 #141 miguel 2012-06-26 14:27
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting LeGatinois:
Any reasons why Wiercioch, Silfverberg and Petersson are not at the development camp ?

Age and numbers. Don't believe any of the 2008 picks (Wiercioch/Petersson) were brought to camp this year and Silfverberg is already coming off a long season.


Isn't Borowiecki there?


yes Boro is there,
I really like the look of this Sdao kid, he is huge and can really fire the puck from defence
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+1 #142 Yaro 2012-06-26 14:28
Was Maidens on the ice or he is sitting out?
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+5 #143 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 14:30
how did mats sundin make the hall of fame before brendan shanahan?

christ even phil housley had almost as many pts from Sundin and isn't in yet

Sundin 0 cups, 0 major awards, 0 1st-team all star, captained a gold medal winning team at Olympics is his only accomplishment

Now I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the hall, because he was a hell of a player, but a first ballot Hall of famer??? are you kidding me
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+3 #144 boom 2012-06-26 14:30
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Most impressive so far...Hoffman, guy is possessed!

I guess we shouldn't be real surprised. He had a solid year in Bingo last year, but glad to hear you say he's looking good.
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+2 #145 conservativeHippie 2012-06-26 14:30
Welcome, daddy!

I'm a bit more timid about a Nash move, but you make some good points.

Cheers.
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+1 #146 Tcharger 2012-06-26 14:31
Gotta rename it to the hall of mediocrity
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+2 #147 Hax 2012-06-26 14:31
Quoting Alcatraz:
how did mats sundin make the hall of fame before brendan shanahan?

christ even phil housley had almost as many pts from Sundin and isn't in yet

Sundin 0 cups, 0 major awards, 0 1st-team all star, captained a gold medal winning team at Olympics is his only accomplishment

Now I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the hall, because he was a hell of a player, but a first ballot Hall of famer??? are you kidding me


Toronto bias in all things hockey. They all wear blue-lens glasses.
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+1 #148 sben 2012-06-26 14:32
Quoting skunkpound:
I'm sick of nick foligno wasting a top six postion hes a third liner on any contender not top 6 and i say trade him and his 800 goaltender interferance penalties per season


Paulrus is trying to make Foligno into a Brad Marchand type of guy. A toublemaker. Someone that can get other guys to do stupid things and penalties for it. An agitator.Folign o is just not used to that role and mistakedly gets goalie interference penalties when he is just trying to get in the goalies face and make the players mad. As soon as Foligno is used to that role he won't get as many penalties. I do agree that Foligno should be on the 3rd line if not fourth but thats only where an agitator should be.
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+2 #149 daddy_of_daddies 2012-06-26 14:34
Quoting Alcatraz:
how did mats sundin make the hall of fame before brendan shanahan?

christ even phil housley had almost as many pts from Sundin and isn't in yet

Sundin 0 cups, 0 major awards, 0 1st-team all star, captained a gold medal winning team at Olympics is his only accomplishment

Now I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the hall, because he was a hell of a player, but a first ballot Hall of famer??? are you kidding me


It's a joke. I agree he should be in the HHOF but he also should be waiting his turn. He is not a first ballot HOF'er. Not when Bure waited 7 years and Shanny is still waiting there in easily had a better career like you said.

Just shows the power and influence that Toronto has in the hockey world by glorifying a great hockey player and making him look like one of the greatest ever whenever they can
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+2 #150 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 14:36
Quoting sben:
Quoting skunkpound:
I'm sick of nick foligno wasting a top six postion hes a third liner on any contender not top 6 and i say trade him and his 800 goaltender interferance penalties per season


Paulrus is trying to make Foligno into a Brad Marchand type of guy. A toublemaker. Someone that can get other guys to do stupid things and penalties for it. An agitator.Foligno is just not used to that role and mistakedly gets goalie interference penalties when he is just trying to get in the goalies face and make the players mad. As soon as Foligno is used to that role he won't get as many penalties. I do agree that Foligno should be on the 3rd line if not fourth but thats only where an agitator should be.


I agree except for the part where you reference marchand then say agitators are only on bottom 6..marchand is a top 6 as well
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-3 #151 Round Leaf 2012-06-26 14:39
Quoting daddy_of_daddies:
Some pple need to gain some serious perspective on Rick Nash. There is a reason Murray is linked to having interest in him, because he is the best GM at building a hockey club this franchise has ever seen and he's smarter than all of you.

Rick Nash is onlu 900k less of a cap hit than Crosby/Malkin and puts up nowhere near the numbers?? Rick Nash has never played with Crosby/Malkin/Staal/Neal/Letang like those guys do. Look to the Olympics, he was unreal, he IS ELITE.

You put that guy on our top line and he's putting up 50 goals and 90 points for the next 3 seasons for fun. He immediately becomes the best winger scoring winger we have ever had and he's still in his prime. Injuries do become a factor as the body gets older later in his contract but if we want to win a cup in the next 5 years, we need to have a player like him on our team.


You have a right to your opinion... here's mine.

You absolutely do NOT win the Stanley cup with one player or one line. Examples? Ducks, Penguins, Hawks, Bruins and Kings were all three line teams.

The best case scenario when trading for Rick Nash is that we become a top heavy team just like in 07.

Even if Nash were to score 50 goals for us (which he never would), the 8 mill cap hit he commands could easily be distributed to two or three players who would combine for that many goals. And in this scenario, the same number of goals are spread out over two or three lines making us a harder team to defend against.

The only reason to do this deal is if we stole him from CBJ, which will not be the case. Howsen will hold onto #61 unless he hits a homerun.

Why are we still talking about this particularly with Nash not wanting to come here?
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+1 #152 Alcatraz 2012-06-26 14:46
@round leaf

I agree to a certain extent, but in the playoffs you can't under estimate the ability to score goals

In addition to that, we have so many young forwards that our top 6 aside from Turris/Spezza/N ash would all be filled with young players on ELC

our cap will never be a problem with the amount of young players we have

We will continue drafting young guns and look at all teams in the NHl and tell me how many top end contracts they have?

LA Kings:
kopitar 6.8
richards 5.75
carter 5.72
4 more guys all at 3 mill each
doughty 7

now lets look at us:
nash 7.8
spezza 7
michalek 4.8
karlsson 6.5
** I didn't include Alfie ebcause we all know his situation with money and cap space for next year
**Foligno*, Phillips and Anderson only other ppl at 3 mill

then next year we get a raise for Turris and year after Cowen and michalek

Aside from that we don't have any big contracts and all our star players will be ELC

when ELC expire thats when you re-evaluate
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+1 #153 Sandy 2012-06-26 14:50
Quoting TrueSensFan:
Quoting Tcharger:
Joe Sakic, Adam Oates, Mats Sundin and Pavel Bure all Hall of Fame bound. Thoughts?


Meh


I wholeheartedly agree with meh as the clear winner in that group lol

on a serious note, I would agree mroe with Oates, Sakic a little less and not thrilled about the other 2 to be honest


I thought for sure Shanahan would get in before Sundin.. but I guess it's like everything else.. the Toronto factor.

Well Alfie had better get in the HOF in his first year of eligibility.
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+1 #154 daddy_of_daddies 2012-06-26 14:54
You have a right to your opinion... here's mine.

You absolutely do NOT win the Stanley cup with one player or one line. Examples? Ducks, Penguins, Hawks, Bruins and Kings were all three line teams.

The best case scenario when trading for Rick Nash is that we become a top heavy team just like in 07.

Even if Nash were to score 50 goals for us (which he never would), the 8 mill cap hit he commands could easily be distributed to two or three players who would combine for that many goals. And in this scenario, the same number of goals are spread out over two or three lines making us a harder team to defend against.

The only reason to do this deal is if we stole him from CBJ, which will not be the case. Howsen will hold onto #61 unless he hits a homerun.

Why are we still talking about this particularly with Nash not wanting to come here?

Opinions are great aren't they?

I guess when you have it certain in your head that he A) can't score 50 goals here and B) doesn't want to come here, then it certainly makes yourself sound correct doesn't it. Truth is those are assumptions and based on nothing substantial.

This is why I said pple like you need to gain perspective. He could easily flourish in this environment (Elliot Friedman spoke of it today) and he has never said he wouldn't come here. We just aren't his first choice as the list seems to indicate. Two totally different situations.

Lastly, I understand your point about 3 lines instead of one but once you have a top line like we would have with Nash and a Norris trophy winning Dman, it becomes a lot easier for our GM to fill out those next 3 lines as it's very enticing for players to come here when they see where we are going. Those teams you named add those pieces over time once they have their superstars established.
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+1 #155 Sandy 2012-06-26 14:54
Quoting Hax:
Quoting skunkpound:
I'm sick of nick foligno wasting a top six postion hes a third liner on any contender not top 6 and i say trade him and his 800 goaltender interferance penalties per season


Sorry to hear that. Try Pepto maybe and also mix in some hockey lessons. And maybe spell-check.

Not that anyone would argue that if he's on our third line our top 6 must be really solid, but the guy is still young and improving so in 2-3 years he might be considered a top 6 guy other teams wish they had.



skunkpound -- isn't this a new name.. possibly zipzapCRAP..
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+1 #156 daddy_of_daddies 2012-06-26 14:56
@ round leaf

Opinion are great aren't they

I guess when you have it certain in your head that he A) can't score 50 goals here and B) doesn't want to come here, then it certainly makes yourself sound correct doesn't it. Truth is those are assumptions and based on nothing substantial.

This is why I said pple like you need to gain perspective. He could easily flourish in this environment (Elliot Friedman spoke of it today) and he has never said he wouldn't come here. We just aren't his first choice as the list seems to indicate. Two totally different situations.

Lastly, I understand your point about 3 lines instead of one but once you have a top line like we would have with Nash and a Norris trophy winning Dman, it becomes a lot easier for our GM to fill out those next 3 lines as it's very enticing for players to come here when they see where we are going. Those teams you named add those pieces over time once they have their superstars established.
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+3 #157 WolfInSheepsClothes 2012-06-26 14:56
Marc-Andre Gragnani was apparently not qualified by Vancouver. We should take a run at this kid. Only 25, still has potential to be a solid 3-4 d-man. Could possibly benefit playing with King Karl.

Thoughts?
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0 #158 Hax 2012-06-26 14:57
Quoting Round Leaf:

You have a right to your opinion... here's mine.

You absolutely do NOT win the Stanley cup with one player or one line. Examples? Ducks, Penguins, Hawks, Bruins and Kings were all three line teams.


I think that's a bit short-sighted. Yes you would have less cap room but any other forward of Nash's caliber is going to cost about the same. And assuming we can do it without giving up too many roster players we'd still have our "middle 6" made up of guys from this group (two may be gone the other way):

Turris
Alfie
Silfverberg
Foligno
Zibanejad
Stone
Regin
Greening

(and this is assuming Michalek is on the top line with Nash and Spezza)

So you can make a couple of strong lines from that group and most are going to be relatively cheap for a few more years. Then you have guys like Noesen, Prince, Hoffman, Pageau on the way up.

So I don't think we'd actually become a one line team by adding Nash.
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0 #159 daddy_of_daddies 2012-06-26 14:58
sorry for the double post. New at this lol
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+1 #160 miguel 2012-06-26 14:59
although I too am sick of the Nash debate, I am torn on this one.

Just as SJ was missing that one piece for playoff success and went out and got Hately, all were saying that SJ were the favorites.
It backfired on them.

Rarely does a team add a "superstar" to take them to the cup. It must be a team with 4 lines and 6 dmen that are all committed together.
Philly, the Rangers, the Leafs all tried to buy their way and failed miserably.
Yes Nash is a good player, but he alone will not make us SC champs.

Agreed that Spezza needs someone up there with him, but I think there are better options than a very hi priced tag Nash, who has 6 years left at 8 Mil, who acould have easily with one call to his agent taken the "Ottawa not on my list" out of the equation.
Explore other options

"Hello Zach Parise... we want to make you an offer you cant refuse"
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-2 #161 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2012-06-26 14:59
You have a right to your opinion... here's mine.

You absolutely do NOT win the Stanley cup with one player or one line. Examples? Ducks, Penguins, Hawks, Bruins and Kings were all three line teams.

The best case scenario when trading for Rick Nash is that we become a top heavy team just like in 07.

Even if Nash were to score 50 goals for us (which he never would), the 8 mill cap hit he commands could easily be distributed to two or three players who would combine for that many goals. And in this scenario, the same number of goals are spread out over two or three lines making us a harder team to defend against.

The only reason to do this deal is if we stole him from CBJ, which will not be the case. Howsen will hold onto #61 unless he hits a homerun.

Why are we still talking about this particularly with Nash not wanting to come here?
Nash not wanting to come here is a complete rumor. If this were the case the Murray's would make this clear to the media so that they stop getting questioned about it. Stop believing all these rumors. It's quite sad really. Beginning to sound like leaf fans
Also I dont understand how people think we would be a one line team with Nash on it. Where did Turris go? Where did every other one of our prospects go?? Not like were about to trade an entire team for the guy.
Look at just about every Elite team in the league. They have at the very least 2 or 3 absolute studs who yes make somewhere in the range of 5-7 million if not more in some cases.
I'm sorry but we will never win with Michalek or Silfverberg as our top scorers. It just won't happen. They would be great complimentary players but not as the primary targets for Spezza.
But again...stop saying he's too expensive and/or he I'll make us a one line or top heavy team. We are absolutely littered with 2nd line, 3rd line and 4th line players and we will only draft more
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+1 #162 Sensnation 2012-06-26 15:00
Quoting AParadiseLost:
Marc-Andre Gragnani was apparently not qualified by Vancouver. We should take a run at this kid. Only 25, still has potential to be a solid 3-4 d-man. Could possibly benefit playing with King Karl.

Thoughts?


If he'd take the salary of a 5-6 until he proves himself he may be worth a roll of the dice, but I think we may already have better defensive prospects than him.
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0 #163 WolfInSheepsClothes 2012-06-26 15:02
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting AParadiseLost:
Marc-Andre Gragnani was apparently not qualified by Vancouver. We should take a run at this kid. Only 25, still has potential to be a solid 3-4 d-man. Could possibly benefit playing with King Karl.

Thoughts?


If he'd take the salary of a 5-6 until he proves himself he may be worth a roll of the dice, but I think we may already have better defensive prospects than him.



He did have a fantastic playoffs 2 years ago (ppg player with Buffalo) and he is more NHL ready than our prospects. Wouldn't hurt to give him a shot.
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+6 #164 RUSHRLZ 2012-06-26 15:03
Yeah... anyone suggesting that Nash/Spezza/Sil f Alfie/Turris/Mi chalek top 6 plus the retarded glut of wealth we have for bottom six would be a one line team?

Aye aye aye!
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+1 #165 stephen mchugh 2012-06-26 15:05
my secound fav team is los angeles kings. Dean Lombardi was smart adding carter,look at the amazing players they have brown,kopitar,q uick,carter the list goes on they deserved to win the cup.murray should add inpact players like them,i would love to see the sens win the cup and hopefully soon.cheers
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0 #166 Biggauv 2012-06-26 15:07
Quoting Alcatraz:
@round leaf

I agree to a certain extent, but in the playoffs you can't under estimate the ability to score goals

In addition to that, we have so many young forwards that our top 6 aside from Turris/Spezza/Nash would all be filled with young players on ELC

our cap will never be a problem with the amount of young players we have

We will continue drafting young guns and look at all teams in the NHl and tell me how many top end contracts they have?

LA Kings:
kopitar 6.8
richards 5.75
carter 5.72
4 more guys all at 3 mill each
doughty 7

now lets look at us:
nash 7.8
spezza 7
michalek 4.8
karlsson 6.5
** I didn't include Alfie ebcause we all know his situation with money and cap space for next year
**Foligno*, Phillips and Anderson only other ppl at 3 mill

then next year we get a raise for Turris and year after Cowen and michalek

Aside from that we don't have any big contracts and all our star players will be ELC

when ELC expire thats when you re-evaluate


So now, Nash is in our rosters?? Happy to see he was traded this afternoon sooo quietly!! Chirp have you missed this one?? Lol
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0 #167 Round Leaf 2012-06-26 15:08
@ Zach

I think you're forgetting Boston. No superstars. Stanley cup champs a year ago.

These types of deals have a history of blowing up in your face, particularly when you don't know what you're giving up. I'm sure that the Flyers wish they could mulligan the Lindros trade and take back Forsberg.

And where did all those other prospects go? I'm guessing at least three of the best ones went to Columbus.
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+1 #168 Sandy 2012-06-26 15:09
So Randy Lee said Robin came into development camp... leaner... so I guess the 241 lbs was a misprint.. maybe it should be 214?
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0 #169 miguel 2012-06-26 15:10
Quoting AParadiseLost:
Marc-Andre Gragnani was apparently not qualified by Vancouver. We should take a run at this kid. Only 25, still has potential to be a solid 3-4 d-man. Could possibly benefit playing with King Karl.

Thoughts?


Yah this would make plenty of sense to me
we dont have to give up anyone, and should come cheap,
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+3 #170 Sensnation 2012-06-26 15:10
Exactly, even with the trade for Nash that made it to print (Zibanejad, Foligno, Bishop) we still have:

Nash - Spezza - Silfverberg/Stone
Michalek - Turris - Alfie (DAMN what a 2nd line!!!)
Greening - Smith - Neil
Condra - O'Brien - Silfverberg/STone
Butler/Regin/Daugavins

With Noesen, Puempel, Da Costa, Hoffman, Peterrson, Prince and others in the AHL. Hardly a 1 line team.
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0 #171 Hax 2012-06-26 15:12
Quoting Sandy:
So Randy Lee said Robin came into development camp... leaner... so I guess the 241 lbs was a misprint.. maybe it should be 214?


It's possible to be bigger and leaner. 20lbs heavier but all muscle?

Really not that concerned, the kid had the best scores on all the physical tests last year and the year before as I recall.
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0 #172 miguel 2012-06-26 15:14
Quoting novascotian:
I am very curious to find out how much Neil will be extended for. Rumours has it Murray and Neil are in talks right now. As a 33 it's safe to say his offensive numbers are not going to go up. That being said his physical play will likely remain the same (maybe slight decline) and he has really become a leader in the past couple years. I hope he get somewheres in the range of 4 years at a 1.75 cap... 2mil first 2 years and 1.5 last 2 years.


Also some interesting RFA's did not get qualifying offers...

Latendresse - Terrible luck with injuries, Played VERY well when he was healthy for Minnie, might be an interesting gamble at a very low cap hit (like league min.)

Anton Stralman - Had a very good play-offs with Rangers... undersized but could be a good fit in a bottom pairing with gonchar or phillips. Good puck possession guy and would fit nice on the second PP

Marc-Andre Gragnani - One year ago made the Canada WC team and everybody was talking about big things for him... Really did not fit well in Vancouver but played Excellent in his short time in Buffalo, might be another cheap gamble

Benoit Pouliot - Was just traded to Tampa and likely to resign but you never no (would be an excellent fit next to turris and alfie)

Eric Fehr - I only put his name here because I recall somebody always mentioning his name ever year


Thanks for providing this list, there are some very interesting names on this.
Correct me if I am wrong but did Stralman not just have a great series against us with the Rangers?
I thought was performing very well for them, very suprised to hear he was not qualified.
For sure he or Gragniani should be given a go
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+1 #173 miguel 2012-06-26 15:18
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
Yeah... anyone suggesting that Nash/Spezza/Silf Alfie/Turris/Michalek top 6 plus the retarded glut of wealth we have for bottom six would be a one line team?

Aye aye aye!


Rush so we would be getting Nash without giving up anyone of MM9, Foligno, MZ or Silvfer?
no way to add with subtracting
their must be a deduction from our current roster in order to get Nash.
And that is what worries me, what do we give up?
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+2 #174 Hax 2012-06-26 15:22
Quoting miguel:
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
Yeah... anyone suggesting that Nash/Spezza/Silf Alfie/Turris/Michalek top 6 plus the retarded glut of wealth we have for bottom six would be a one line team?

Aye aye aye!


Rush so we would be getting Nash without giving up anyone of MM9, Foligno, MZ or Silvfer?
no way to add with subtracting
their must be a deduction from our current roster in order to get Nash.
And that is what worries me, what do we give up?


Rush didn't include Foligno or MZ in his list. The rumored offer was Foligno, Zibanejad, Bishop (with maybe another lesser prospect).

If we have to give up more than that I say walk away. Certainly in the number of guys off our roster. If they want MM9 instead of Foligno but settle for a lesser prospect than Zibanejad (Peumpel?) then maybe consider that. And with them getting Bob-bro maybe they don't want a goalie now?

I think we all would agree that giving up too much off our roster for Nash makes sense, but we do have plenty of quality forwards to put together a fair offer that leaves our top 6 really solid.
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0 #175 RUSHRLZ 2012-06-26 15:23
Quoting miguel:
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
Yeah... anyone suggesting that Nash/Spezza/Silf Alfie/Turris/Michalek top 6 plus the retarded glut of wealth we have for bottom six would be a one line team?

Aye aye aye!


Rush so we would be getting Nash without giving up anyone of MM9, Foligno, MZ or Silvfer?
no way to add with subtracting
their must be a deduction from our current roster in order to get Nash.
And that is what worries me, what do we give up?


Sure that was just hypothetical top 6, but most agree the point would be to add a top 6, not just trade one (9MM) for another one in Nash.

Now I'm not suggesting what pieces we'd need to move, that's been beaten to death and back already, but yeah you would notice there is plenty of talent not included in the names I listed, including Foligno, Zibby, Stone, Smith etc...
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-2 #176 miguel 2012-06-26 15:25
Quoting Hax:
Quoting miguel:
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
Yeah... anyone suggesting that Nash/Spezza/Silf Alfie/Turris/Michalek top 6 plus the retarded glut of wealth we have for bottom six would be a one line team?

Aye aye aye!


Rush so we would be getting Nash without giving up anyone of MM9, Foligno, MZ or Silvfer?
no way to add with subtracting
their must be a deduction from our current roster in order to get Nash.
And that is what worries me, what do we give up?


Rush didn't include Foligno or MZ in his list. The rumored offer was Foligno, Zibanejad, Bishop (with maybe another lesser prospect).

If we have to give up more than that I say walk away. Certainly in the number of guys off our roster. If they want MM9 instead of Foligno but settle for a lesser prospect than Zibanejad (Peumpel?) then maybe consider that. And with them getting Bob-bro maybe they don't want a goalie now?

I think we all would agree that giving up too much off our roster for Nash makes sense, but we do have plenty of quality forwards to put together a fair offer that leaves our top 6 really solid.


Fair enough Hax, but I would rather someone who WANTS to come here.
The fact that this rumour has been out there forever, and Nash has not made the call to his agent should be a red flag, I would think.
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0 #177 sben 2012-06-26 15:29
Sundin Sakic Oates and Bure have made it to the hall. They made it over Brendan Shanahan, Curtis Joseph, Jeremy Roenick, Eric Lindros, Dave Andreychuk, Phil Housley and other hopefuls. Thoughts? Why or why not.
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+1 #178 Hax 2012-06-26 15:29
Quoting miguel:
Fair enough Hax, but I would rather someone who WANTS to come here.
The fact that this rumour has been out there forever, and Nash has not made the call to his agent should be a red flag, I would think.


Agreed but we really don't know anything. For all we know Nash is actually cool with Ottawa and even excited but Howson wants to drive the price up.

Don't get bent out of shape over the rumors.
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+1 #179 RUSHRLZ 2012-06-26 15:31
@miguel

Maybe he hates the idea and does not want to come to Ottawa. Maybe he is trying to just do the best for his current team + himself by waiting to see what options Howsen comes up with, maybe Ottawa hasn't even been presented to him yet.

None of us know, so I am reluctant to assume he would be happy to come here for sure, but I am also reluctant to assume he doesn't want to come here, just because nothing has been done yet.

Cheers!
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+1 #180 Ted Dibiase 2012-06-26 15:32
Anyone else think Sundin getting in first ballot is great. Alfie should get some serious consideration.
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+2 #181 Sandy 2012-06-26 15:32
A little tidbit from Elliott Friedman: (it's only a part of his article).

"Since we mentioned him above, let's start with Schultz. Neither the Maple Leafs, the Ducks nor his agency (Newport) would discuss it, but heard Anaheim allowed Toronto a window to try and sign him at the draft. (There would have been some draft-pick compensation in return.) He wants to test free-agency -- who can blame him? -- and passed. It is believed he is meeting with his agents today to discuss a shorter list of teams and is to begin discussions with that group Wednesday."

So if they was the case.. and he was so eager to sign in Toronto.. then why didn't he?

How in the hell did Sundin get iin (on his 1st ballot) over Shanahan. If he wasn't captain of the Leafs that would not have happened. Who's next Domi?
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0 #182 RUSHRLZ 2012-06-26 15:34
Quoting Hax:
Quoting miguel:
Fair enough Hax, but I would rather someone who WANTS to come here.
The fact that this rumour has been out there forever, and Nash has not made the call to his agent should be a red flag, I would think.


Agreed but we really don't know anything. For all we know Nash is actually cool with Ottawa and even excited but Howson wants to drive the price up.

Don't get bent out of shape over the rumors.


Haha! We're in exactly the same mindset today apparently!
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+1 #183 Sensnation 2012-06-26 15:35
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
@miguel

Maybe he hates the idea and does not want to come to Ottawa. Maybe he is trying to just do the best for his current team + himself by waiting to see what options Howsen comes up with, maybe Ottawa hasn't even been presented to him yet.

None of us know, so I am reluctant to assume he would be happy to come here for sure, but I am also reluctant to assume he doesn't want to come here, just because nothing has been done yet.

Cheers!


Well said Rush. Too many rumors to react on the inaction!
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0 #184 BenKenobi 2012-06-26 15:36
Re: Sundin getting the HHOF on first year eligibility.

Don't kid yourselves people, the HHOF is a business. If you'd ever visited you would know they are just as kitchy-commerci al as an airport gift shop.

The HHOF happens to be located in Toronto. The organization likely couldn't wait to get their hands on Sundin for marketing purposes. After all, the easiest way to increase attendance is to cater to the local population.

I am constantly amazed that people actually expect businesses to be run "fairly" or "without bias" when there's more money to be made.

Just as the NHL is becoming more about business and less about hockey, the HHOF is looking out for the HHOF; not for fairness to the players. Besides, inducting players is hardly an objective process and opinions vary greatly.
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0 #185 EH_Matt 2012-06-26 15:39
Quoting Alcatraz:
how did mats sundin make the hall of fame before brendan shanahan?

christ even phil housley had almost as many pts from Sundin and isn't in yet

Sundin 0 cups, 0 major awards, 0 1st-team all star, captained a gold medal winning team at Olympics is his only accomplishment

Now I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the hall, because he was a hell of a player, but a first ballot Hall of famer??? are you kidding me
I agree with you. I'll take a wild guess and say most of the voters live in Toronto, and he was like some sort of God to that city. That's why he's in there on the first ballot. Personally, because he made it off the first ballot. I think Alfie should make it off the first or second ballot.
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0 #186 Sandy 2012-06-26 15:47
Quoting EH_Matt:
Quoting Alcatraz:
how did mats sundin make the hall of fame before brendan shanahan?

christ even phil housley had almost as many pts from Sundin and isn't in yet

Sundin 0 cups, 0 major awards, 0 1st-team all star, captained a gold medal winning team at Olympics is his only accomplishment

Now I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the hall, because he was a hell of a player, but a first ballot Hall of famer??? are you kidding me
I agree with you. I'll take a wild guess and say most of the voters live in Toronto, and he was like some sort of God to that city. That's why he's in there on the first ballot. Personally, because he made it off the first ballot. I think Alfie should make it off the first or second ballot.


Well Pat Burns coached in Toronto. Why do they keep overlooking him?
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0 #187 Doc 2012-06-26 15:47
Randy Lee was on Team 1200 and they mentioned Lehner having leaned down from last year. So my guess is he is at 214ish (typo?). He definitely looks lean during the interview, not a 240lbs guy.<

On top of that, it's close to impossible to get 20 pounds of muscle mass in such a short time. You can add mass, on top of muscle, but no way in hell can you add so much so quickly. Anyone that trained hard can tell you that.
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0 #188 Hax 2012-06-26 15:49
Quoting EH_Matt:
Quoting Alcatraz:
how did mats sundin make the hall of fame before brendan shanahan?

christ even phil housley had almost as many pts from Sundin and isn't in yet

Sundin 0 cups, 0 major awards, 0 1st-team all star, captained a gold medal winning team at Olympics is his only accomplishment

Now I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the hall, because he was a hell of a player, but a first ballot Hall of famer??? are you kidding me
I agree with you. I'll take a wild guess and say most of the voters live in Toronto, and he was like some sort of God to that city. That's why he's in there on the first ballot. Personally, because he made it off the first ballot. I think Alfie should make it off the first or second ballot.


Guys, the same reasons why Sundin made it on the first ballot (Toronto bias, HHOF in Toronto, most of the decision-makers being from Toronto) are the same reasons why Alfie won't be. Unless we win the cup for him that is.
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+1 #189 Hax 2012-06-26 15:51
Quoting Doc:
Randy Lee was on Team 1200 and they mentioned Lehner having leaned down from last year. So my guess is he is at 214ish (typo?). He definitely looks lean during the interview, not a 240lbs guy.<

On top of that, it's close to impossible to get 20 pounds of muscle mass in such a short time. You can add mass, on top of muscle, but no way in hell can you add so much so quickly. Anyone that trained hard can tell you that.


That is likely the case of course but I don't get the impression Lehner is a hard gainer. He's been described as a complete freak physically and that's in comparison to other NHLers. So I doubt it's out of the question that he's gained some mass but stayed lean (remember the official weight from last year is from training camp - not like he would have gained 20 lbs in a couple of months).
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+1 #190 SwedishSens 2012-06-26 15:55
Quoting Doc:
Randy Lee was on Team 1200 and they mentioned Lehner having leaned down from last year. So my guess is he is at 214ish (typo?). He definitely looks lean during the interview, not a 240lbs guy.<

On top of that, it's close to impossible to get 20 pounds of muscle mass in such a short time. You can add mass, on top of muscle, but no way in hell can you add so much so quickly. Anyone that trained hard can tell you that.



How short you taking about last camp he weighed 224 now year later 241 .. adding 17 pounds is possible
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+1 #191 Sandy 2012-06-26 15:55
Interesting tidbit from the Sens..


http://senators.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=10324
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0 #192 Doc 2012-06-26 15:56
Quoting Hax:

That is likely the case of course but I don't get the impression Lehner is a hard gainer. He's been described as a complete freak physically and that's in comparison to other NHLers. So I doubt it's out of the question that he's gained some mass but stayed lean (remember the official weight from last year is from training camp - not like he would have gained 20 lbs in a couple of months).


Agreed!

But I still think it's the other way around from what I saw and from what management said.

I think him having leaned out might be the best thing for him. Keep that frame and add more mobility.

Love the new attitude too!
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0 #193 Hax 2012-06-26 16:02
Quoting Doc:
Quoting Hax:

That is likely the case of course but I don't get the impression Lehner is a hard gainer. He's been described as a complete freak physically and that's in comparison to other NHLers. So I doubt it's out of the question that he's gained some mass but stayed lean (remember the official weight from last year is from training camp - not like he would have gained 20 lbs in a couple of months).


Agreed!

But I still think it's the other way around from what I saw and from what management said.

I think him having leaned out might be the best thing for him. Keep that frame and add more mobility.

Love the new attitude too!


Yeah agreed, but again, not really worried about it too much. If there's anyone in the entire org we don't need to worry about conditioning with it's Lehner. Closely followed by Greening. We really don't have anyone that fits the "better get to a gym" profile though.
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0 #194 sben 2012-06-26 16:04
Sundin makes it in his first try so that must mean that there are tons of leafs fans in the voting ballot which means when allfredsson gets to try out for the hall of fame... OH MY GOD
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0 #195 Doc 2012-06-26 16:06
Quoting ReleaseTheLehner:

How short you taking about last camp he weighed 224 now year later 241 .. adding 17 pounds is possible


Even 17 pounds of muscle in one year is really pushing it. You'd have to be a gym rat and spend hours every day in the gym. These guys don't get to do that.

But like I said, I think it was a typo and that he actually leaned out, which is good.
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0 #196 sben 2012-06-26 16:08
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=636117

I think this has the real story with Schultz not some ramble from TSN spokespeople.
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+1 #197 Hax 2012-06-26 16:14
Quoting Doc:
Even 17 pounds of muscle in one year is really pushing it.


Not according to the Bowflex DVD I just got in the mail.

(I kid, I kid)
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0 #198 Doc 2012-06-26 16:17
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Doc:
Even 17 pounds of muscle in one year is really pushing it.


Not according to the Bowflex DVD I just got in the mail.

(I kid, I kid)


Ha! Wouldn't it be awesome!

Just making sure people don't confuse weight and muscle mass.

Speaking of, gotta go train and do my part!
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0 #199 Biggauv 2012-06-26 16:18
P-A Parenteau says on RDS it would be a dream to play for the Habs and they are on his list.

Considering Marc Bergevin wants more french player in Montreal, i think the chance to see Parenteau in Sens uniform are very slim. The only chance would be outbidding them and i don't think Parenteau is good like he was on the Tavares line.
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0 #200 daddy_of_daddies 2012-06-26 16:22
Lol yeah I think for the same reasons that we are saying Sundin gets in on the first ballot - like the HOF being a business, Toronto bias and marketing reasons to make them more money - those would be the exact reasons they will likely torture Alfredsson for 2-6 years and make him wait before/if he gets in.

I think he gets in eventually but you just know those bastards will make him wait. No Leafs cultured human being thinks Alfy is even in the same league as Sundin. What would drive down attendance at the HOF more than their hated rival Alfredsson being inducted?

Probably a little bit of a conspiracy theory, but not totally insane to think about.
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0 #201 Mitchell 2012-06-26 16:24
Nash, Schultz, Ryan, Luongo, Parise, P-A...

Who said this years Free Agents isn't that step, sure some of them are signed players but this is a very big year in my opinion.
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0 #202 Hax 2012-06-26 16:26
Quoting Mitchell:
Nash, Schultz, Ryan, Luongo, Parise, P-A...

Who said this years Free Agents isn't that step, sure some of them are signed players but this is a very big year in my opinion.


Which part of "free agent" do you not get?

LOL

But even removing Nash, Ryan and Luongo there are a few options out there. Especially now that some RFA are being added to the mix.
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+2 #203 MoeDozer 2012-06-26 16:28
is it just me or does lehner remind you of ivan drago too.
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+2 #204 DeeeezNutz 2012-06-26 16:36
Fuck Nash, Get Suter/Schultz!! !!! What a bomb from the blue line.
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+3 #205 MethotToMyMadness 2012-06-26 16:40
Quoting Biggauv:
It appears discussion between Matt Carle and Flyers are in limbo.

What do you think about offering him a 32 M/6 years in Sens uniform??

This guy is a solid puck moving defenceman and a good shut down defenceman ready for 22-23 minutes of icetimes...


I was one from the beginning who said Carle would be a great addition to the Sens. I actually found a site that posted stats (very well done actually) and put the details into a post on here and it showed that Carle was the next best option behind Suter for what he provides on the ice and being the type of player he is, very underrated. I wish I could find that site again, but it was great. If he's available, sign him up!!!
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+1 #206 spezzerman 2012-06-26 16:57
Quoting madpajamma:
Quoting Biggauv:
It appears discussion between Matt Carle and Flyers are in limbo.

What do you think about offering him a 32 M/6 years in Sens uniform??

This guy is a solid puck moving defenceman and a good shut down defenceman ready for 22-23 minutes of icetimes...


I was one from the beginning who said Carle would be a great addition to the Sens. I actually found a site that posted stats (very well done actually) and put the details into a post on here and it showed that Carle was the next best option behind Suter for what he provides on the ice and being the type of player he is, very underrated. I wish I could find that site again, but it was great. If he's available, sign him up!!!


I'd also love Carle. And, now I'd love to grab Gragnani and give him a great chance to prove himself. One thing about unsigned RFA's is that they are usually very hungry to prove they belong.
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+1 #207 John Holmes 2012-06-26 17:00
It's hard to argue that Sundin doesn't belong in the HHOF.

Records
[edit] NHL

* Tied-21st in career goals (564, shared with Joe Nieuwendyk)
* 33rd in career assists (785)
* 27th all time in career points (1349)
* First European-born and trained player to be drafted first overall in the NHL Entry Draft (1989 by the Quebec Nordiques)
* Only Swedish player to reach the 500 goal milestone (564)
* Most career points, goals and assists by a Swedish hockey player
* Tied-Fastest overtime goal (6 seconds, shared with Alexander Ovechkin, Simon Gagné and David Legwand)
* First Swedish player to reach 1000 points
* One of two players (Marcel Dionne) to record at least 20 goals in his first 17 NHL seasons
* Most games played by a European born-and-traine d forward (1346)

[edit] Toronto Maple Leafs

* Goals (420)
* Assists by a forward (567)
* Points (987)
* Tied-assists in a period (3, Darcy Tucker, Matt Stajan and Clarke MacArthur)
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0 #208 MethotToMyMadness 2012-06-26 17:02
Quoting John Holmes:
It's hard to argue that Sundin doesn't belong in the HHOF.

Records
[edit] NHL

* Tied-21st in career goals (564, shared with Joe Nieuwendyk)
* 33rd in career assists (785)
* 27th all time in career points (1349)
* First European-born and trained player to be drafted first overall in the NHL Entry Draft (1989 by the Quebec Nordiques)
* Only Swedish player to reach the 500 goal milestone (564)
* Most career points, goals and assists by a Swedish hockey player
* Tied-Fastest overtime goal (6 seconds, shared with Alexander Ovechkin, Simon Gagné and David Legwand)
* First Swedish player to reach 1000 points
* One of two players (Marcel Dionne) to record at least 20 goals in his first 17 NHL seasons
* Most games played by a European born-and-trained forward (1346)

[edit] Toronto Maple Leafs

* Goals (420)
* Assists by a forward (567)
* Points (987)
* Tied-assists in a period (3, Darcy Tucker, Matt Stajan and Clarke MacArthur)


I still have his rookie cards ;) blah!
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0 #209 John Holmes 2012-06-26 17:02
[edit] Awards and achievements

* TV-pucken Champion as part of Team Stockholm 1986.
* Swedish Champion in 1990.
* First European born player to be drafted first overall in the NHL Entry Draft. (1989)
* Named to the Elitserien World All-Star Team in 1991, 1992, 1994 and 1998.
* Recipient of the Viking Award in 1993, 1994, 1997, and 2002.
* Named to the World Championships All-Star Team in 1992 and 2003.
* World Championships' Best Forward in 1992.
* Named to the Canada Cup All-Star Team in 1991.
* Named to the World Cup of Hockey All-Star Team in 1996.
* Played in the NHL All-Star Game in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 (injured) and 2004.
* Named to the NHL Second All-Star Team in 2002 and 2004.
* Named to the Olympic Tournament All-Star Team in 2002.
* Captain of the Swedish national ice hockey team in the 2006 Olympics in which Sweden acquired the gold medal.
* Achieved 500 goal plateau on October 14, 2006.
* Achieved 1,300 points on February 7, 2008 vs the Montreal Canadiens.
* Awarded the "Mark Messier Leadership Award" in 2008.

Maybe we're a little guilty of anti Leaf bias here?
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0 #210 MoeDozer 2012-06-26 17:07
Quoting John Holmes:
[edit] Awards and achievements

* TV-pucken Champion as part of Team Stockholm 1986.
* Swedish Champion in 1990.
* First European born player to be drafted first overall in the NHL Entry Draft. (1989)
* Named to the Elitserien World All-Star Team in 1991, 1992, 1994 and 1998.
* Recipient of the Viking Award in 1993, 1994, 1997, and 2002.
* Named to the World Championships All-Star Team in 1992 and 2003.
* World Championships' Best Forward in 1992.
* Named to the Canada Cup All-Star Team in 1991.
* Named to the World Cup of Hockey All-Star Team in 1996.
* Played in the NHL All-Star Game in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 (injured) and 2004.
* Named to the NHL Second All-Star Team in 2002 and 2004.
* Named to the Olympic Tournament All-Star Team in 2002.
* Captain of the Swedish national ice hockey team in the 2006 Olympics in which Sweden acquired the gold medal.
* Achieved 500 goal plateau on October 14, 2006.
* Achieved 1,300 points on February 7, 2008 vs the Montreal Canadiens.
* Awarded the "Mark Messier Leadership Award" in 2008.

Maybe we're a little guilty of anti Leaf bias here?

the problem isnt that if he is worthy of being a HOF, its more of how fast he got it doesnt make sense.
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0 #211 Merchaholic 2012-06-26 17:16
BD Gallof via twitter: Regarding the
Islanders offering the Blue Jackets all their
picks for the 2nd overall: the only people
who can actually confirm what was said
between GMs Garth Snow and Scott
Howson are not confirming. Some believe
that if it had truly been offered, Howson
would have accepted.
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0 #212 sben 2012-06-26 17:24
Quoting John Holmes:


Maybe we're a little guilty of anti Leaf bias here?


What type of Sens fan are you? Are you even a sens fan at all? In fact John Wendell Holmes Lived in London, Ontario his whole life and the closest hockey team was the Toronto Maple Leafs! Meaning that the man your account is named after is a leafs fan!!!! Traitor!!! Burn the witch by the stake!!!
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+2 #213 The Apostle 2012-06-26 17:52
Quoting sben:
Quoting John Holmes:


Maybe we're a little guilty of anti Leaf bias here?


What type of Sens fan are you? Are you even a sens fan at all? In fact John Wendell Holmes Lived in London, Ontario his whole life and the closest hockey team was the Toronto Maple Leafs! Meaning that the man your account is named after is a leafs fan!!!! Traitor!!! Burn the witch by the stake!!!



or he could be named after the porn actor with the really big cock
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+2 #214 jakester 2012-06-26 18:00
Finally Tookie - have been saying it we need to give Hoffman a real shot - this guy can play and has a wicked shot!
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+1 #215 Mat 2012-06-26 18:05
Quoting miguel:


Rarely does a team add a "superstar" to take them to the cup.


LA = Richards and Carter
Chicago = Marian Hossa
Anaheim = Chris Pronger

The list goes on...

And doesn't your point about pitching for Parise sort of contradict your point in the end? You know he's going to get 7.5mil+ right?

I'm all up for adding Nash, or Ryan, or Parise, and paying the price. We have the cap space, the prospects to trade, and it ultimately makes sense to beef up our top 6 with real talent - not an experiment. It will only serve to get the best out Spezza and Spezza will get the best out of this player.

Plus, we may need to fill a huge void on our 2nd line RW. Or perhaps give him the opportunity to win in his final season with the Sens.
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+3 #216 MoeDozer 2012-06-26 18:11
woah, kinda surprising news:
Phoenix GM Don Maloney says Shane Doan will test free agent market.
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+1 #217 Round Leaf 2012-06-26 18:19
Quoting MoeDozer:
woah, kinda surprising news:
Phoenix GM Don Maloney says Shane Doan will test free agent market.


If that's true... want. that's the type of move we should make: it would be a short term deal for top 6 forward (as Murray would say a 25 goal scorer) and a guy who brings a crapload of leadership to the table. And we WOULDN'T have to give up a ton of prospects for him!

what source reported that?
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+1 #218 MoeDozer 2012-06-26 18:20
Quoting Round Leaf:
Quoting MoeDozer:
woah, kinda surprising news:
Phoenix GM Don Maloney says Shane Doan will test free agent market.


If that's true... want. that's the type of move we should make: it would be a short term deal for top 6 forward (as Murray would say a 25 goal scorer) and a guy who brings a crapload of leadership to the table. And we WOULDN'T have to give up a ton of prospects for him!

what source reported that?

maloney said it himself on NHL radio. and its now blown up all over twitter. not fake.
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+3 #219 T time 2012-06-26 19:08
My guess: Doan will go to NYR, COL, or PHI
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+1 #220 T time 2012-06-26 19:10
One thing is for sure though, free agency will actually be a frenzy this year... Lots of big name, and impact player...
I'm interested to see what Bryan Murray will try to do.
I hope he lands Nash, if not, it's not the end of the world...
Parise would be awesome here, Suter would be great with Karlsson.
Nonetheless, whatever happens and whoever goes wherever should be interesting to see
Go Sens!
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0 #221 conservativeHippie 2012-06-26 19:23
Unfortunately suter has made it clear he wants to stay in the west.
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+3 #222 T time 2012-06-26 19:27
Quoting conservativeHippie:
Unfortunately suter has made it clear he wants to stay in the west.


Yes, but there is no doubt that Suter would still play well with karlsson...
I'm not expecting him to come here, but hey, I'm allowed to dream
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+1 #223 SensFanInMTL 2012-06-26 19:33
RE: Nash

I think Rick Nash is aware that he does not want to create the same incident Heatley did in by refusing his NTC to be moved to Ottawa so I think after waiting long enough, Murray will eventually get his man, hopefully on Canada Day the earliest and not like when Heatley was traded in September. And if not, when he plays in Ottawa, he'll just get the same treatment. The price will be steep as obvious but may change in our favour with time passing by and no serious takers. If nothing can be settled by the time October rolls around and the price includes a 1st rounder, a goalie, an active player and a prospect, then fuck it and walk. No need to overpay as everyone stated. I really do not want to stress the Rick Nash saga anymore than it has already culminated. Though at the same time having inexperienced wingers who are young (ie: Noesen, Silfverberg, Stone, etc.) or late round guys who just can't exceed potentials (Greening) then Spezza will never achieve great success since you guessed it - Heatley was here.

Here's hoping to land Nash without overpaying or Parise who for whatever reason decides he wouldn't rule out playing in Ottawa and for our young guys to develop into the 1st round potential players (Zibanejad, Noesen, Puempel) they were sought out to be.
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-4 #224 jakester 2012-06-26 19:43
Doan is a bone! He's so overrated! He's not a top 6 guy - on abd team maybe. Sens young guns all better than him.
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-2 #225 Sandy 2012-06-26 19:56
Quoting T time:
My guess: Doan will go to NYR, COL, or PHI

or the AVS -- That's another rumour. Sorry missed the Col part in the attached quote.
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+2 #226 DrSens 2012-06-26 20:04
Why don't we just start claiming NYR and PHI for all possible free agents and players soon to be traded as well as ANY PLACE WITH A BEACH. Seems to be a hot trend these days. SJ, NYR, TB, PHI, FLA for Doan. Ryan, PHI, SJ, NYR, TB. Schultz, will surely go to NYR, or PHI, or SJ. Suter wants to stay WEst side, so surely he's going to SJ, no doubt.
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+1 #227 DenisVial 2012-06-26 20:09
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting T time:
My guess: Doan will go to NYR, COL, or PHI

or the AVS -- That's another rumour.


Did the Avalanche move? If so, what's the name of the team in Col Sandy?
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0 #228 DrSens 2012-06-26 20:18
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting T time:
My guess: Doan will go to NYR, COL, or PHI

or the AVS -- That's another rumour.


Did the Avalanche move? If so, what's the name of the team in Col Sandy?


COL as in COLOMBUS. clearly they need someone with big feet to fill Nash;s big shoes... but seriously they are probably both going to NYR with Ryan. Night life, the lights, the MnM store, whats not to love about NYR. forget raising you kids, Im sure their wives just wanna rail coke and go out in the Big Apple
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+2 #229 MoeDozer 2012-06-26 20:18
Quoting DrSens:
Why don't we just start claiming NYR and PHI for all possible free agents and players soon to be traded as well as ANY PLACE WITH A BEACH.

ottawa has a beach

/sarcasm
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+2 #230 DrSens 2012-06-26 20:25
Quoting MoeDozer:
Quoting DrSens:
Why don't we just start claiming NYR and PHI for all possible free agents and players soon to be traded as well as ANY PLACE WITH A BEACH.

ottawa has a beach

/sarcasm


True, Britannia is one fine beach. Used to party around those parts a decade ago in high school. Westboro is just too crowded. Mooneys is dirty though a good time at hope volley ball. I try to avoid Orleans and Petrie Island.
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+2 #231 Sandy 2012-06-26 20:30
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting T time:
My guess: Doan will go to NYR, COL, or PHI

or the AVS -- That's another rumour.


Did the Avalanche move? If so, what's the name of the team in Col Sandy?


Yeah noticed that... my mistake
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+2 #232 stephen mchugh 2012-06-26 21:44
the fourth period is saying sens are interested in Zach Parise,Dennis Wideman,Jordin Tootoo,Daniel Winnik.
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+1 #233 DenisVial 2012-06-26 22:38
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting T time:
My guess: Doan will go to NYR, COL, or PHI

or the AVS -- That's another rumour.


Did the Avalanche move? If so, what's the name of the team in Col Sandy?


Yeah noticed that... my mistake


I'm
Just bugging you. I've been caught a few times making a similar mistake before I could correct it.

See, stupid iPhone!
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0 #234 T time 2012-06-26 23:08
Quoting stephen mchugh:
the fourth period is saying sens are interested in Zach Parise,Dennis Wideman,Jordin Tootoo,Daniel Winnik.


Ugh, wideman is getting old.
Sure, Sens want experience at a cheap cost, but wideman made mistakes in the playoffs for WSH, his prime days were in BOS, and they're long gone...
Hope BM lands a different Dman

Quoting DrSens:
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting T time:
My guess: Doan will go to NYR, COL, or PHI

or the AVS -- That's another rumour.


Did the Avalanche move? If so, what's the name of the team in Col Sandy?


COL as in COLOMBUS. clearly they need someone with big feet to fill Nash;s big shoes... but seriously they are probably both going to NYR with Ryan. Night life, the lights, the MnM store, whats not to love about NYR. forget raising you kids, Im sure their wives just wanna rail coke and go out in the Big Apple


The abbreviation for Columbus has always been CBJ, and for Colorado it's always been COL...
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0 #235 T time 2012-06-26 23:12
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
RE: Nash

I think Rick Nash is aware that he does not want to create the same incident Heatley did in by refusing his NTC to be moved to Ottawa so I think after waiting long enough, Murray will eventually get his man, hopefully on Canada Day the earliest and not like when Heatley was traded in September. And if not, when he plays in Ottawa, he'll just get the same treatment. The price will be steep as obvious but may change in our favour with time passing by and no serious takers. If nothing can be settled by the time October rolls around and the price includes a 1st rounder, a goalie, an active player and a prospect, then fuck it and walk. No need to overpay as everyone stated. I really do not want to stress the Rick Nash saga anymore than it has already culminated. Though at the same time having inexperienced wingers who are young (ie: Noesen, Silfverberg, Stone, etc.) or late round guys who just can't exceed potentials (Greening) then Spezza will never achieve great success since you guessed it - Heatley was here.

Here's hoping to land Nash without overpaying or Parise who for whatever reason decides he wouldn't rule out playing in Ottawa and for our young guys to develop into the 1st round potential players (Zibanejad, Noesen, Puempel) they were sought out to be.


I'm glad someone finally brought up the point that Nash isn't a bonehead like heatley, and he knows how much Ottawa hates him more what he did... He doesnt want to be in that situation...
My bet is that if Nash comes to Ottawa, he'll like it the more he plays here because there's no doubt he and spezza and the rest of the team will have success.
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+1 #236 Hax 2012-06-26 23:55
Quoting MoeDozer:
Quoting Round Leaf:
Quoting MoeDozer:
woah, kinda surprising news:
Phoenix GM Don Maloney says Shane Doan will test free agent market.


If that's true... want. that's the type of move we should make: it would be a short term deal for top 6 forward (as Murray would say a 25 goal scorer) and a guy who brings a crapload of leadership to the table. And we WOULDN'T have to give up a ton of prospects for him!

what source reported that?

maloney said it himself on NHL radio. and its now blown up all over twitter. not fake.


Doan is 35 - NOT the answer.
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+1 #237 DrSens 2012-06-26 23:56
Quoting DrSens:
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting T time:
My guess: Doan will go to NYR, COL, or PHI

or the AVS -- That's another rumour.


Did the Avalanche move? If so, what's the name of the team in Col Sandy?


COL as in COLOMBUS. clearly they need someone with big feet to fill Nash;s big shoes... but seriously they are probably both going to NYR with Ryan. Night life, the lights, the MnM store, whats not to love about NYR. forget raising you kids, Im sure their wives just wanna rail coke and go out in the Big Apple


The abbreviation for Columbus has always been CBJ, and for Colorado it's always been COL...



we know. sandy screwed up. no big deal
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-1 #238 two to Tootoo too 2012-06-26 23:56
Quoting stephen mchugh:
the fourth period is saying sens are interested in Jordan Tootoo


BOOYAH !
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+3 #239 Hax 2012-06-27 00:16
Quoting two to Tootoo too:
Quoting stephen mchugh:
the fourth period is saying sens are interested in Jordan Tootoo


BOOYAH !


And we need yet another bottom six guy because ....????
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-1 #240 novascotian 2012-06-27 05:43
Quoting Hax:
Quoting two to Tootoo too:
Quoting stephen mchugh:
the fourth period is saying sens are interested in Jordan Tootoo


BOOYAH !


And we need yet another bottom six guy because ....????


Because Jordin Tootoo is awesome...
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+1 #241 MethotToMyMadness 2012-06-27 05:53
Quoting novascotian:
Quoting Hax:
Quoting two to Tootoo too:
Quoting stephen mchugh:
the fourth period is saying sens are interested in Jordan Tootoo


BOOYAH !


And we need yet another bottom six guy because ....????


Because Jordin Tootoo is awesome...


Back in his boozin days, I witnessed Tootoo down 3 beers at once. Yup, he had the bartender open all three, grabbed them in a bundle in his hands and poured all 3 down in one drink. This was a few years back and some of the other guys were saying it was his party trick.
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-1 #242 MethotToMyMadness 2012-06-27 05:57
I'd be real happy if Ottawa made a splash and picked up a guy like Doan. He is one of those guys who can add leadership to a young team and grind it out with the best of them. His character alone is worth his contract, would be perfect. Only problem with guys who were captains on another team, coming to a new team, is that worry he may take over a leadership role, but with Doan I don't see it happening. I think he may welcome that relief and enjoy just playing. Hard to say.
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0 #243 sben 2012-06-27 07:28
Top 12 free agents:

1 Zach Parise 7 PA Parenteau

2 Ryan Suter 8 Matt Carle

3 Alex Semin 9 Ray Whitney

4 Jason Garrison Florida 10 Shane Doan
(33 points, 3rd most goals defense,)

5 Jaromir Jagr 11 Dustin Penner

6 Justin Schultz 12 Olli Jokinen

Thoughts?
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0 #244 boom 2012-06-27 07:34
I just had a quick look at Edmonton and Vancouver's top 4 on D. I think they are both stronger than the Sens.
I'm hoping Schultz and his advisors feel the same way, and that it may convince them that this is where he has the most opportunity...
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0 #245 Tcharger 2012-06-27 07:41
Quoting madpajamma:
Quoting novascotian:
Quoting Hax:
Quoting two to Tootoo too:
Quoting stephen mchugh:
the fourth period is saying sens are interested in Jordan Tootoo


BOOYAH !


And we need yet another bottom six guy because ....????


Because Jordin Tootoo is awesome...


Back in his boozin days, I witnessed Tootoo down 3 beers at once. Yup, he had the bartender open all three, grabbed them in a bundle in his hands and poured all 3 down in one drink. This was a few years back and some of the other guys were saying it was his party trick.



Ive done something like this...you have people pouring the other two kinda like a waterfall into the one you are chugging, Gets you uber hammered...ther e is a video of me somewhere doing this and getting all three down(with a bit of spillage) in just over 9 seconds.

(proud younger moment #1 lmao)
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0 #246 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-06-27 08:19
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Also interesting to note that the Avalanche will not qualify Peter Mueller, who will therefore become a UFA. He would be a nice reasonably priced fit in our top 6.


Or just give it to Foligno who has same stats as Mueller

Mueller best year ever was rookie season and 22g/54pts and hasnt played a full season in 4 years. Not a fan

Foligno/Silf/Stone all deserve a shot over Mueller at top 6


Funny how I mentioned the possibility of adding Peter Mueller, the guys over at silverseven posted this http://www.silversevensens.com/2012/6/27/3118640/should-peter-mueller-be-a-realistic-free-agent-target-for-the-ottawa#storyjump

If we miss out on Nash and Ryan, I wouldn't mind Mueller. He's a good player.

That being said, I am still a big fan of our boy Nicky and would rather see him succeed.
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0 #247 MethotToMyMadness 2012-06-27 08:44
Quoting boom:
I just had a quick look at Edmonton and Vancouver's top 4 on D. I think they are both stronger than the Sens.
I'm hoping Schultz and his advisors feel the same way, and that it may convince them that this is where he has the most opportunity...


Hmmm...I can see Vancouver not having a D problem, but Edmonton. Well Whitney is the most offensive of the top 4, I think EK is better. Win Ottawa. Then they have Petry, Smid and Schultz. Petry is the puck mover, 2nd most offensive and I'd say Kuba/Gonchar both have similar ability, if not better puck moving ability. Win Ottawa. You can easily match Schultz to Phillips in a defensive defenseman type of role, which they both play well. Give that a tie. As for Smid he's your Shutdown guy, which I think Cowen is becoming but has a better offensive upside as he progresses. I'd say Tie. Now maybe I'm just being a Sens fan and over evaluating it, but I wouldn't say Edmonton's top 4 is stronger than the Sens.

Now if what you are laying out is just to entice Schultz to come to Ottawa, I don't think you need to do that. All you need to say is we have a possible opening in the top 4, because Kuba isn't coming back. You interested in trying out?? If we don't land him, we still have Karlsson, Phillips, Gonchar and Cowen and personally I'm ok with that going into this year.
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+2 #248 Alcatraz 2012-06-27 08:51
no way anyone can sit here and say edmonton top 4 is better than ottawa

regardless of how much gonchar or phillips have regressed we still have karlsson and cowen

karlsson cowen gonchar phillips

vs

smid whitney schultz petry

laughable
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+1 #249 EH_Matt 2012-06-27 09:03
So I saw on TSN that the Oilers are heading to Toronto to meet with Schultz and his reps. Have you heard anything about Ottawa doing the same within the next couple of days Chirp?
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+1 #250 Alcatraz 2012-06-27 09:07
With all these NHL players now on Twitter its a shame Nash isn't

Would be great for him to read all of whats being said, and provide him the platform to clear the air

as for schultz meeting with reps meh this stuff happens and I'm sure if we weren't in the aformentioned twitter era no one would notice or care
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+1 #251 Dirtysweet 2012-06-27 09:17
How's Ben Blood's development going? God he's a big kid!
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+1 #252 Hax 2012-06-27 09:21
Quoting novascotian:
Quoting Hax:
Quoting two to Tootoo too:
Quoting stephen mchugh:
the fourth period is saying sens are interested in Jordan Tootoo


BOOYAH !


And we need yet another bottom six guy because ....????


Because Jordin Tootoo is awesome...


Not questioning that, but we already have a overflowing bottom six. Adding Tootoo just means we'd have to trade away someone else (likely someone younger, cheaper and who possibly could develop into a top 6 player).
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+2 #253 RUSHRLZ 2012-06-27 09:32
Quoting Hax:

Not questioning that, but we already have a overflowing bottom six. Adding Tootoo just means we'd have to trade away someone else (likely someone younger, cheaper and who possibly could develop into a top 6 player).


I agree Tootoo would be a terrible acquisition. I can't even imagine the Sens looking at that.
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+1 #254 BMKing 2012-06-27 09:33
BREAKING NEWS!!!

JARRETT STOLL IS GONNA BE PLAYING WITH PAULINA GRETZ THIS SUMMER
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+1 #255 DenisVial 2012-06-27 09:39
Quoting Dirtysweet:
How's Ben Blood's development going? God he's a big kid!


He and Kramer are going to be the Bingo versions of Carkner and Neil. Good bodyguards for our prospects.
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0 #256 miguel 2012-06-27 09:46
Quoting Mat:
Quoting miguel:


Rarely does a team add a "superstar" to take them to the cup.


LA = Richards and Carter
Chicago = Marian Hossa
Anaheim = Chris Pronger

The list goes on...

And doesn't your point about pitching for Parise sort of contradict your point in the end? You know he's going to get 7.5mil+ right?

I'm all up for adding Nash, or Ryan, or Parise, and paying the price. We have the cap space, the prospects to trade, and it ultimately makes sense to beef up our top 6 with real talent - not an experiment. It will only serve to get the best out Spezza and Spezza will get the best out of this player.

Plus, we may need to fill a huge void on our 2nd line RW. Or perhaps give him the opportunity to win in his final season with the Sens.


hence the rarely... and Carter/ Pronger not the same type as Nash at all, or even Hossa a different type than Nash.

So you question paying Parise 7.5 Mil, yet you are willing to pay an older Nash 7.8 over the next 6 years?

Personally Parise, fits in more like a Carter or a Hossa, than Nash, which in my opinion was a Heatley back when Heatley was good,
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+2 #257 EH_Matt 2012-06-27 09:46
With all this talk about Tootoo, what do people think of adding Steve Ott instead? I'm just throwing it out there for discussion. I'm not saying I'd want to add him. I also seem to remember his name being linked to Ottawa at the deadline as well.
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+3 #258 Doc 2012-06-27 09:50
Quoting EH_Matt:
With all this talk about Tootoo, what do people think of adding Steve Ott instead? I'm just throwing it out there for discussion. I'm not saying I'd want to add him. I also seem to remember his name being linked to Ottawa at the deadline as well.


I would definitely get Ott before Tootoo, not even close for me.

We don't need bottom 6 players anyways, but at least Ott brings something to the table other than grit.
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+4 #259 Alcatraz 2012-06-27 09:52
How many people here have actually watched Nash play when he isn't playing against Ottawa or for Team Canada

Because he is by no means anywhere close to the type of player Heatley is

If you say Parise is a more complete player, maybe but to an extent. Nash is a leader and is a 200 foot player

The guy is worth the money, and sure maybe he is slightly over paid but he has never not delivered, all on a very very shitty team
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-2 #260 Alcatraz 2012-06-27 09:54
Quoting Doc:
Quoting EH_Matt:
With all this talk about Tootoo, what do people think of adding Steve Ott instead? I'm just throwing it out there for discussion. I'm not saying I'd want to add him. I also seem to remember his name being linked to Ottawa at the deadline as well.


I would definitely get Ott before Tootoo, not even close for me.

We don't need bottom 6 players anyways, but at least Ott brings something to the table other than grit.



Ott would be way better. He does cost 2.9 mill a year for next 2 years tho and wont come cheap

He would probably cost us a puemple/pagueau /prince type of prospect

For that reason I'm out. He would be serviceable and great on our line-up but I'd rather just go and try to convince Gaustad at 3 mill to come for free via UFA.
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+1 #261 SensChirp 2012-06-27 09:57
Quoting EH_Matt:
With all this talk about Tootoo, what do people think of adding Steve Ott instead? I'm just throwing it out there for discussion. I'm not saying I'd want to add him. I also seem to remember his name being linked to Ottawa at the deadline as well.

Meh. Not sure what Ott brings that isn't already there in guys like Nick Foligno and Chris Neil.
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+2 #262 Alcatraz 2012-06-27 09:59
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting EH_Matt:
With all this talk about Tootoo, what do people think of adding Steve Ott instead? I'm just throwing it out there for discussion. I'm not saying I'd want to add him. I also seem to remember his name being linked to Ottawa at the deadline as well.

Meh. Not sure what Ott brings that isn't already there in guys like Nick Foligno and Chris Neil.


The one thing he does bring which would be in theme of yesterdays convo is that he was the 12th best face off guy in the league last year. Thus eliminating a need for winchester and Konopka and we could use that money on ott

Ott would then become our go to PK face-off guy and can chip in secondary offense

But like I said he won't come cheap trade wise, as not many guys bring the skill set and deliverables he can
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+1 #263 Alcatraz 2012-06-27 10:06
Also one must wonder that if Doan is opting for Free agency, Ray Whitney may opt as well

Not that this has any bearing on Ottawa cause I dont see a fit for either but man what a blow to a team that is finally on the upswing

Those two leaders have shaped that team, and now it will remain to be seen if last years "overachievers" in vrbata and hanzal and smith can continue or will we see this team rock down the standings once more
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-2 #264 miguel 2012-06-27 10:12
Quoting Alcatraz:
How many people here have actually watched Nash play when he isn't playing against Ottawa or for Team Canada

Because he is by no means anywhere close to the type of player Heatley is

If you say Parise is a more complete player, maybe but to an extent. Nash is a leader and is a 200 foot player

The guy is worth the money, and sure maybe he is slightly over paid but he has never not delivered, all on a very very shitty team


C'mon I am getting tired of the "poor Nash has no on to play with"
Players who make 8 mil make other players around them better.
Nash has not done this.
Malkin does not play with Crosby, in fact he plays better when Crosby is not in the lineup.
The facts are the facts, and Nash is the highest piad player making less than 70 points in the NHL ( 59 in 82 games last year).
2009-10 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 76 33 34 67
2010-11 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 75 32 34 66
2011-12 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 82 30 29 59

those numbers are not worth 8 Mil per year!

Spezza has played with Greening, Butler, Winchester, Kelly, and on and on, and he always racks points and makes those beside him better.
IMO Nash is an expensive risk, whereas Parise, and/or Doan will cost less, and fit in better
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+2 #265 Alcatraz 2012-06-27 10:23
Ok so lets look at the stats of the other players on CLB

last year:
prospal: 16g 39a
Brassard: 14g 27a
Umberger 20g 20a

2010-2011:
Umberger: 25g 32a
Vermette: 19g 28a
Brassard 17g 30a

Now we all know Nash is more of a goal scorer, so I ask you, would these 3 relatively "shitty" players or players not known to carry a team put up these type of points?

Keep in mind we have all seen Prospal and Vermette first hand. and Brassard is and was almost pushed out of town last year in CLB

Your being Naive to think that nash doesn't make players around him better, and your naive to think that Nash playing on a shitty team is not a legit excuse.

The guy still puts up over 30 goals a year with no help. Michalek put up 35g with spezza and karlsson feeding him all year

think about that for a second

Nash getting set up by umberger, vermette, prospal, brassard, voracek

vs

michalek getting set up by spezza, alfie, karlsson, turris

and all michalek managed was 5 more goals.

shows the skill and what nash can bring to the table

he can create and score on his own, something our team does not have
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0 #266 Sensnation 2012-06-27 10:25
Quoting miguel:
Quoting Alcatraz:
How many people here have actually watched Nash play when he isn't playing against Ottawa or for Team Canada

Because he is by no means anywhere close to the type of player Heatley is

If you say Parise is a more complete player, maybe but to an extent. Nash is a leader and is a 200 foot player

The guy is worth the money, and sure maybe he is slightly over paid but he has never not delivered, all on a very very shitty team


C'mon I am getting tired of the "poor Nash has no on to play with"
Players who make 8 mil make other players around them better.
Nash has not done this.
Malkin does not play with Crosby, in fact he plays better when Crosby is not in the lineup.
The facts are the facts, and Nash is the highest piad player making less than 70 points in the NHL ( 59 in 82 games last year).
2009-10 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 76 33 34 67
2010-11 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 75 32 34 66
2011-12 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 82 30 29 59

those numbers are not worth 8 Mil per year!

Spezza has played with Greening, Butler, Winchester, Kelly, and on and on, and he always racks points and makes those beside him better.
IMO Nash is an expensive risk, whereas Parise, and/or Doan will cost less, and fit in better


Just taking the names of players you mention, Nash doesn't have anyone matching the skills of a Michalek, Alfie, Neal, Letang and so on. If you want a comparable player look at the years Eric Staal has when Carolina doesn't make the playoffs and he plays center which is a natural point generating position compared to wing. You're mistaken to think Nash doesn't make players around him better.
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0 #267 RUSHRLZ 2012-06-27 10:39
My opinion on our need for a Top 6 forward? Go big or go home. Ott / Tootoo etc, too low caliber for what will help us, as others have stated we already have a glut of bottom 6 players, we are overflowing with them almost.

So here is my thinking...
Whether trade or free agency, do whatever we can do to score a primo quality player, the likes of Ryan/Nash/Parise.

If we fail on all three of those fronts OR we land one of them but it costs us 9MM as a piece? Gun hard for Parenteau.

Best case scenario we land a world class top 3 player, middle case scenario we add a solid guy like PA. Worst case scenario we let our youth and top bottom six candidates battle it out for those spots.

This is all assuming of course that our god-like Captain will be returning for one last kick at a Cup.
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+2 #268 Alcatraz 2012-06-27 10:43
you bring up a great point hidden in all this nash commotion

All the nash trade rumors has taken us completely away from the Alfie retirement watch

We have not even talk about it in over a week in large detail, which is awesome as it just allows Alfie to move on with his day to day life and when he is ready make a decision
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+1 #269 miguel 2012-06-27 10:54
[quote name="Alcatraz" ]Ok so lets look at the stats of the other players on CLB

Keep in mind we have all seen Prospal and Vermette first hand. and Brassard is and was almost pushed out of town last year in CLB

Vinny Prospal was almost a point per game player the year before in NY, and he digressed playing with the superstar Nash.

I think Nash would benefit playing with Spezza for sure, I disagree in that he is the superstar that will lead us to the Stanley Cup.
he has never had an 80 point season
Again IMO, he does not make those around him better, he needs other players, not so much with other elite 8 Mil type stars.
lets just agree to disagree I guess.
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+1 #270 Merchaholic 2012-06-27 12:31
Jeremy Rutherford via twitter : Rutherford
thinks that it’s possible that the Blues look
at Filip Kuba.
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+1 #271 T time 2012-06-27 14:32
Wideman signed with calgary, 5yrs @ 26.25MILL
Seems a little much at 5.25MILL on average per year...
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+1 #272 filliam 2012-06-27 17:10
wish alfy would hurry up with his decision...
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