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Tuesday, 22 May 2012 10:42

Offseason Priorities- Nick Foligno (BSens to Announce Head Coach)

(UPDATE 7:50 PM)- As speculated earlier today and confirmed by BSens reporter Joy Lindsay this evening, the Binghamton Senators will announce their new Head Coach at a press conference tomorrow in Bingo.  Luke Richardson is considered the leading candidate for the job.

In his season ending address to the media, Sens GM Bryan Murray talked about the need to add an additional goal scorer to the team’s top six forwards.

In that same address, he talked about forward Nick Foligno.  Sens management has challenged Nick Foligno to be that top six forward he clearly has the potential to be.  A restricted free agent, the 24 year old Foligno is coming off a season where he racked up 47 points in 82 games.

Foligno also finished third on the team in hits with 196 and third in penalty minutes with 124.  Despite his rambunctious style, Foligno has played in every game over the past two seasons.  While Foligno is a player that often leaves Sens fans wanting more, he has definitely taken steps in the right direction over the last couple seasons. 

After a season where he was a -19 and had just 34 points, Foligno took his game to another level this year and provided the team with some much needed secondary scoring.  Foligno made a concerted effort to get to the so called "dirty areas" and became the type of player that really agitated other team's defenders and goalies. 

And while we’ve seen flashes of what Foligno can do over the past couple seasons, consistency remains his biggest issue. It’s clear that the organization would like to Foligno to take that next step and be a consistent member of the team’s top six forwards.

Foligno is coming off the second year of a 2 year deal with a cap hit of $1,200,000.  He made $1,550,000 this past season and will be looking for a raise on that number during contract negotiations this off season. 

Depending on the term, somewhere between $2 and $3 mil seems like a realistic number to peg Foligno at next season.

Where do you see Foligno slotting in next year?  What type of contract would you like to see Foligno get this off season?

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-1 #1 DenisVial 2012-05-22 09:49
Chirp, The Stache has officially been nominated for coach of the year. Hitchcock and The Fonz are his competition.
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+5 #2 SensChirp 2012-05-22 09:53
Quoting DenisVial:
Chirp, The Stache has officially been nominated for coach of the year. Hitchcock and The Fonz are his competition.

Eh? Wasn't that announced at the end of April?
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+2 #3 Tcharger 2012-05-22 09:54
Folignos best games have come at C...but unfortunately we have too many at that position. I suspect he will start 2nd line winger.
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+1 #4 DenisVial 2012-05-22 09:54
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting DenisVial:
Chirp, The Stache has officially been nominated for coach of the year. Hitchcock and The Fonz are his competition.

Eh? Wasn't that announced at the end of April?


I just saw something on Twitter that led me to believe it was the official announcement. My bad.
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+6 #5 Hax 2012-05-22 09:55
Put me in the camp that really likes Foligno. He's developing slower than I would like (as I'm sure most will agree) but I love his effort level and while it has been slow, he continues to improve steadily.

I'd love to see a 4 year deal in the $8-9M range (though it might creep over $10M). I think when you have a player that's developing slowly but steadily a longer deal tends to take just enough pressure off for them to finally come into their own.

It's a risk of course as he may not get better but I think there's enough proof over watching him play that he'll continue to work hard and improve.

Having said all that, it's based mostly on the assumption that some of his negatives this year (the goalie interference calls) are a result of him being told to push the envelope. I'm certain that Murray and MacLean have told Foligno to keep going to the net and the other dirty areas and play with an edge but to learn where the line is. Like everything else in his career, Nick is taking a bit longer to learn than we'd all like but I think he IS learning and in another year or two will be the Ryan Smyth or Holmstrom type of player that we'll be very glad we have.

I think, ideally, he's a third line player who's playing well enough to play on the second line (but that our top two lines are hopefully full of legit top 6 guys). A Sens team in two or three years where Foligno is our gritty third line power forward would be a very good team indeed.
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+9 #6 Montague 2012-05-22 09:59
This will be an unpopular opinion, but here it is:

Sell high.

My opinion is that we may have seen the best of Nick Foligno and he'll probably level out at this range of production and contribution for his career. I don't really have any statistics to back this up, its just a gut feeling based on the inconsistency of his actual production. This guy is a player that goes hard almost all the time and cares about winning, but I get this feeling that he won't do much more beyond that with regards to actual point production.

Five or six years ago I'd say we'd have to keep a guy like this, but now Ottawa is full of gutsy players (Greening, Smith, Neil) and we need to strike a better balance on the finesse/skill side. We also need to make room for some of these prospect forwards to crack the line-up and having a $3 million guy playing on the second line producing 15 goals or a $3 million guy playing on the third line just doesn't make good hockey or financial sense (even with the cap space we have).

He may be a good piece to help bring back a reasonable shut-down defenceman.

...All that said, if they do re-sign him and he plays the way he has I'll still cheer for him because of the effort he puts in. And hopefully I'll have to eat my words and he'll produce at a better pace and continue to develop.
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-1 #7 Hax 2012-05-22 10:00
215 (54) Hax
207 (46) Glencho10
204 (48) PaskySensFan
204 (47) DonnyG33
204 (44) Misaow
204 (47) Bradweiser
203 (56) acameron56
198 (46) SensSaint
196 (52) NorCalSens
196 (45) sens23


Honorable mention to gizmomaestro who with 59 points so far this round has the 4th highest round 3/4 total in the entire Score pool (tied with several others of course).
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+2 #8 The Apostle 2012-05-22 10:02
Foligno is the new Mike Fisher. He will continue to bounce around between the 2nd and 3rd lines.

Whenever he is on the 2nd line people will complain that he doesn't produce enough to be a bona fide 2nd liner and when he's on the 3rd line and playing 3rd line minutes people will complain about the money he makes.

The sens look to have a whole host of prospects who project to be more likely to maintain a second line presence than Foligno.

There's no doubt that his production increased last year and he looked to be making significant strides in his game but he continues to have periods where he is completely invisible apart from a knack of taking unfortunate penalties. Whilst I am sure that many of the penalties are primarily the result of taking direction from the coaches to be more involved they can be bothersome.

At some point prospects such as Puemple, Noesen, Silfverburg, etc are going to replace Foligno in the pecking order and what he does in the next two years will determine his future as a senator.

If he shows enough during his next contract he will have a long term place on the senators 3rd line but if he regresses he's nothing but trade bait.
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-1 #9 Tcharger 2012-05-22 10:02
4 years scares me a bit but he improves each year so hard to argue...pretty bang on though Hax
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+1 #10 SensChirp 2012-05-22 10:04
Knew the Foligno discussion would be an interesting one. Really seems to be a player that brings out strong opinions both from his supporters and his critics.
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+6 #11 St Nick 2012-05-22 10:07
Foligno has become an important part of this team even if someone else usurps him in the top 6. Last yr he spent most of the season on the 3rd & 4th line with Neil as a linemate & still put up 47 pts with very little PP time. He hits, he blocks shots, he fights, he agitates & he puts up pts. He can play wing or centre & play on almost any line & still produce pts & he seems to have found some chemistry with Turris. I see him getting stronger & better.

IMO Murray will sign him for 3 yrs at about $3 mil per yr. Afterall, you also need guys to protect all the little Swedes this team keeps drafting. I think he starts the yr on the 2nd line LW playing with Turris & Alfredsson & if someone else does take that spot it only makes our team better having a 47 pt producer on the 3rd or 4th line. The more scoring throughout the lineup the better.

P.S. - I think they start the yr with Regin as the 3rd line centre, however if he were to get hurt thye might consider moving Foligno into that spot or put Z. Smith back there.
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+12 #12 Hax 2012-05-22 10:10
If anyone is on the fence about Foligno, remember he's the guy that punched out Heatley when he got sick of Mr Superstar's attitude.

So Foligno FTW!
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-2 #13 Tcharger 2012-05-22 10:23
Saying Foligno is the new Fisher is pretty much 10000% bang in...at times good enough for line 2 in a pinch, but ideally on the 3rd.
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+2 #14 DenisVial 2012-05-22 10:26
Quoting Montague:
This will be an unpopular opinion, but here it is:

Sell high.

My opinion is that we may have seen the best of Nick Foligno and he'll probably level out at this range of production and contribution for his career. I don't really have any statistics to back this up, its just a gut feeling based on the inconsistency of his actual production. This guy is a player that goes hard almost all the time and cares about winning, but I get this feeling that he won't do much more beyond that with regards to actual point production.

Five or six years ago I'd say we'd have to keep a guy like this, but now Ottawa is full of gutsy players (Greening, Smith, Neil) and we need to strike a better balance on the finesse/skill side. We also need to make room for some of these prospect forwards to crack the line-up and having a $3 million guy playing on the second line producing 15 goals or a $3 million guy playing on the third line just doesn't make good hockey or financial sense (even with the cap space we have).

He may be a good piece to help bring back a reasonable shut-down defenceman.

...All that said, if they do re-sign him and he plays the way he has I'll still cheer for him because of the effort he puts in. And hopefully I'll have to eat my words and he'll produce at a better pace and continue to develop.


If they move him for someone like Bogosian I wouldn't have a problem with it. We would have to throw something else in, but Winnipeg has several D prospects ready for NHL duty. Postma and Negrin are sure to get some playing time this year, and Bogosian will be #3 on their depth chart due to Enstrom and Big Buff. Winnipeg needs more scoring up front and Foligno is a great team guy. I don't want to lose him, but solidifying our D is more important than loyalty at this point. It would be a business decision.
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+1 #15 spezzerman 2012-05-22 10:55
Quoting SensChirp:
Knew the Foligno discussion would be an interesting one. Really seems to be a player that brings out strong opinions both from his supporters and his critics.


I think it is becuase even if you're a critic (that's me) you still like the guy alot. He is the quintessential team player and you can never critizice his work ethic. But he has 0 hockey sense and that hurts him big time. I completely agree with Montaque's post. He can bring in that NHL Defenseman we need right now but I agree his value won't get any higher. I have a hard time believing he will ever top his 47 points this season. If the deal is there, take it.

But if not, and he stays and signs for 2-2.5M I'd be happy with him as a bottom 6 contributing 35ish points per year playing safe minutes. I wouldn't put him out in ANY critical situations though.
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0 #16 jakester 2012-05-22 11:11
I love the way Foligno plays the game(except the dumbass running the goalie penalties) - I would have to say 2 years around 2,2 Mill - just as insurance - 4 years would handcuff the SENS! We could see if he really does take to the added work of playing 2nd line and produces. By the end of 2 years we would have the young guys to replace him if he didn't. OR you put him in a package this summer cuz he does have VALUE!

Whats best for teh SENS is what I want.
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+1 #17 sens23 2012-05-22 11:22
i dont see how the sens justify paying him 3 million per year like some are suggesting and how foilgnos camp can even ask for that much. foligno made 1.55 million last season and yes he had a career year but guys like chris kelly, alex burrows, etc make 2 million a year and put up better numbers. i can see foligno getting 3 years but for 6 million total. with an escalating pay scale of 1.8/2/2.2 over the 3 year
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+2 #18 Spinorama 2012-05-22 11:26
Foligno + 3rd round pick
For
Buffalo's 12th overall pick
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0 #19 Tcharger 2012-05-22 11:28
Foligno has improved in just about every category each season..kinda ignorant to say this will be the best he ever will be. He is only 5 seasons into his career, first was a half season and two seasons ago was shortened because of injury.

I am not his biggest fan, but think letting him go for nothing is a huge mistake, and if fans accept that he will be an above average third liner,who can play wing/C,and a bit of second line minutes when needed he will be embraced(I know that's my plan for next season)
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+4 #20 SensDominate* 2012-05-22 11:49
I tend to agree that Foligno is similar to Fisher in terms of ability and heart. The big difference (at least at this stage) will be his salary. The reason Fisher was such a head-scratcher was due to his huge 4+mil annual salary. I think if Foligno can be signed for a relative long term deal (i.e. 4 years) at a cap hit of around 2.5 mil, he will provide good value for his skill-set. Even as a 3rd liner, it's not like he would be overpaid (remember Neil is pulling in 2+mil himself...which I think most of us will agree is reasonable for what he brings to the table).
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0 #21 Hax 2012-05-22 12:00
Quoting SensDominate*:
I tend to agree that Foligno is similar to Fisher in terms of ability and heart. The big difference (at least at this stage) will be his salary. The reason Fisher was such a head-scratcher was due to his huge 4+mil annual salary. I think if Foligno can be signed for a relative long term deal (i.e. 4 years) at a cap hit of around 2.5 mil, he will provide good value for his skill-set. Even as a 3rd liner, it's not like he would be overpaid (remember Neil is pulling in 2+mil himself...which I think most of us will agree is reasonable for what he brings to the table).


Fisher was/is one the league's best PK guys - that's why he got paid more than Foligno probably ever will.

Still agree Fisher was at the high end in terms of pay for value but that's the key difference so many aren't apparently seeing between the two players.
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+3 #22 Mat 2012-05-22 12:09
Foligno has plenty of upsides which makes him worth keeping a while longer I say.

He may never develop the be the offensive threat worth keeping on a top 6, but even now he'd be an above average 3rd liner, which is exactly where he will end up a few years down the road when our talented young prospects are fully intergrated.

He's a shifty, gritty, team first kind of guy and has decent hands. You find a way to make room for guys like that. I agree with what some have alluded to already, a 2-2.5/per season 3-4 year deal would be great value for a player of his caliber.
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+2 #23 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-05-22 12:15
He may have developed slower than we all have predicted, but I remain a big big fan of Nick Foligno. The guy has too much offensive ability for us to simply give up on. Aside from Spezz he probably has the slickest hands on the team and his drive when he has the puck is second to none. I'm still not convinced that he is that second liner that he could be yet, but I think we own him the opportunity to convince us that he is. Like we did with Regin. He's just too talented.

The thing I like about Nicky is if push come to shove and someone else bounces him off for that second line spot, Nick also contributes on the third line.

I also thought he was good in the playoffs. In the first two games he was like a bat out of hell I couldn't believe this was the Foligno we had.

I would like to see him penciled in for more than two years to be honest, like what Hax said.
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+5 #24 boom 2012-05-22 12:34
I don't think it's a case of Foligno developing slowly, as much as it's a classic case of someone who would have benefitted from spending a couple/few years in the AHL.
Sometimes our perception of players get skewed by how many years he has been in the league and we forget that these are still young guys. Foligno is younger than Condra and Greening, yet he already has 350 games and 150 points under his belt - while developing into what he is today.

Trading him now would be foolish, in my opinion.
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+4 #25 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-05-22 12:39
Quoting boom:
I don't think it's a case of Foligno developing slowly, as much as it's a classic case of someone who would have benefitted from spending a couple/few years in the AHL.
Sometimes our perception of players get skewed by how many years he has been in the league and we forget that these are still young guys. Foligno is younger than Condra and Greening, yet he already has 350 games and 150 points under his belt - while developing into what he is today.

Trading him now would be foolish, in my opinion.


This is very true. Nicky's only played 28 games in the AHL in his career. I wonder what it would have done for him if he spent 1 or 2 seasons.
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-4 #26 Big bubba 2012-05-22 12:53
TRADE HIM !!!

Every team scout tried to convince BM at last year's draft to trade Foligno

I pray he listens this year

No way is worth 2M per year
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0 #27 Sandy 2012-05-22 13:01
I like Foligno as well. Everytime he is on the ice.. he gives it all he has. He's not a huge scorer.. but can get better at that.

He did improve coming into this season.. and there is still room to do so.

I would not give him over a 3 yr contract. Sooner or later.. some of these guys on the Sens will be pushed out by the prospects drafted last year.. in about 3 or 4 yrs..

Speaking of Fisher.. there was a very good interview with him and Carrie with Oprah.. (yeah I know Oprah). Fisher is a man of great character and class... seeing him in that interview.. made me realize how much I still miss him in Ottawa... You can't help it when you see those eyes (that's the female in me talking -- LOL)....
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0 #28 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2012-05-22 13:01
He is a bottom 6 player playing top 6 mins

Sign him 3 years 2.1 cap hit . versatile player winger and centre .. personally like him at centre
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-2 #29 Uncle Phil 2012-05-22 13:08
I find that Foligno is very weak on his skates. He must lead the NHL in falling down. I feel he has reached his potential. I acknowledge that he tries hard but he is really a 3rd line winger and it is stupid to pay a big salary for a long term with Foligno.
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+2 #30 miguel 2012-05-22 13:22
Foligno is developing on schedule if you were to ask me.
47 points is a decent year in today's NHL, and some of our stats people I am sure can vouch that 47 points for 1.5 mil is better than the going rate.
Also he did not play very much 2nd line minutes, if I recall correctly, he played there before Turris got here, and for a short bit played with Alfie and Turris, which I felt was one of our strongest lines, then for whatever reason he was once again moved down to the 3rd line, where he then played that role well too.
I would be inerested to see where his point totals would have ended up had he stayed with Alfie and Turris?

Yes he does has some faults, biggest one to me is that he will stickhandle himself to the point he dekes himself out... a few times if he kept his head up he would have made the easier pass, but that is all part of being young and developing.

Sign him up to between 2-3 Mil on a 3 year deal, and let him play on the 2nd line and he will be more than fine... IMO of course
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+4 #31 Alcatraz 2012-05-22 13:30
My favorite part is that we as sens fans just love "newer and better" 1st round picks

Foligno was a late first rounder, and 4 years after being drafted is developing rather nicely (compare him to Turris point totals if you will)

Now we want to move him to make room for noesen/puemple/ stone who are all "newer" prospects without the 4 year seasoning that Foligno has had.

at 2 mill even 2.5 mill a year he is worth it. 0.5ppg, could get 20goals, plays a game that not many of our forwards are able to do.

If he becomes a line 2.5 type player for the rest of his career its still a good thing. Every team needs those types of players, and Foligno brings lots of intangibles to the table
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+2 #32 Hax 2012-05-22 13:31
Quoting Uncle Phil:
I find that Foligno is very weak on his skates. He must lead the NHL in falling down. I feel he has reached his potential. I acknowledge that he tries hard but he is really a 3rd line winger and it is stupid to pay a big salary for a long term with Foligno.


Hartnell leads the NHL by far in getting snowed up. He took over for Cheechoo as the guy you can always count on to hit the ice once per shift.

Foligno is actually decent on his skates but he does go to extremes all the time which sees him crashing the boards or ice often. I don't think it's a lack of skating skill as much as it's him pushing the envelope all the time.
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-5 #33 Sandy 2012-05-22 13:41
Puempel, Stone, Noesen, Prince... none of these will probably start their pro careers in Ottawa. They will need time in Bingo.

Stone out of all of them will probably get to the NHL first... maybe halfway through the season.. but not from the outset.

Not every prospect drafted is going to jump right to the NHL...
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-2 #34 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2012-05-22 13:52
Quoting Sandy:
Puempel, Stone, Noesen, Prince... none of these will probably start their pro careers in Ottawa. They will need time in Bingo.

Stone out of all of them will probably get to the NHL first... maybe halfway through the season.. but not from the outset.

Not every prospect drafted is going to jump right to the NHL...



Stone will start in Ottawa next year
...Pumepel Noeson will be in the OHL
..Prince will be in Bingo or back to the OHL as a overage player
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-2 #35 miguel 2012-05-22 13:56
Quoting Alcatraz:
My favorite part is that we as sens fans just love "newer and better" 1st round picks

Foligno was a late first rounder, and 4 years after being drafted is developing rather nicely (compare him to Turris point totals if you will)

Now we want to move him to make room for noesen/puemple/stone who are all "newer" prospects without the 4 year seasoning that Foligno has had.

at 2 mill even 2.5 mill a year he is worth it. 0.5ppg, could get 20goals, plays a game that not many of our forwards are able to do.

If he becomes a line 2.5 type player for the rest of his career its still a good thing. Every team needs those types of players, and Foligno brings lots of intangibles to the table


So very true Alcatraz,
here we have a late round pick starting to develop, and we want to move him so something else unproven and new.
I am certain if he stays on the 2nd line, he will produce theose numbers we expect and want to see.
Those other kids are a good few years away.

One person that I am concerned with and did go backwards last year was Bobby Butler. I am not sure where he ends up this year
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-4 #36 Sens4Eva 2012-05-22 14:13
I say keep him and make his contract four to five years in length so the cap hit will be lower (around 2.7 mill). Regardless of his potential the intangibles Foligno has are important for our team regardless of his production. Imo he'll either be a guy who bounces around the second and third line or hit his ceiling and become a second line winger. I still say for a top 6 we should see what it would take to acquire Camellari. It would make us a better team now and give some of the kids who aren't ready more time to develop in Bingo.
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-1 #37 The Apostle 2012-05-22 14:18
I say keep him and make his contract four to five years in length so the cap hit will be lower (around 2.7 mill)

Other than paying him too much money and giving him too long a contract I think you're spot on.
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+2 #38 MethotToMyMadness 2012-05-22 14:36
Everyone talks about scoring inconsistency with Folingo. And yes, he does play in games where he doesn't register a point, but that happsn to a lot of players, you often need to look at the other things he's doing, because he doesn't get the same ice time or power play time. One of the biggest areas he was missing in his game was in the physical department and I think he made great strides this year correcting that.

What you also have to remember is Folingo wasn't expected to be one of our top scoring forwards, yet this year he's 5th on the Sens with 47 points and a 0.57 PtsPG. Not counting the 09-10 where he was limited to 61 games and 26 points, he's shown a steady increase from his rookie season over the past 5 season, which is what most players who continue to work hard hope to achieve.

Regardless of the line he's playing on, this is the kind of guy teams want. The guy who battles hard and earns his place. Too often teams are quick to move these kinds of players, only to realize soon after how much they are missed. Even more of a burn when said player ends up on a Stanley Cup winning team, and has a good part in it.
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0 #39 miguel 2012-05-22 15:04
Quoting madpajamma:
Everyone talks about scoring inconsistency with Folingo. And yes, he does play in games where he doesn't register a point, but that happsn to a lot of players, you often need to look at the other things he's doing, because he doesn't get the same ice time or power play time. One of the biggest areas he was missing in his game was in the physical department and I think he made great strides this year correcting that.

What you also have to remember is Folingo wasn't expected to be one of our top scoring forwards, yet this year he's 5th on the Sens with 47 points and a 0.57 PtsPG. Not counting the 09-10 where he was limited to 61 games and 26 points, he's shown a steady increase from his rookie season over the past 5 season, which is what most players who continue to work hard hope to achieve.

Regardless of the line he's playing on, this is the kind of guy teams want. The guy who battles hard and earns his place. Too often teams are quick to move these kinds of players, only to realize soon after how much they are missed. Even more of a burn when said player ends up on a Stanley Cup winning team, and has a good part in it.


Yes and Chris Kelly comes to mind immediately,
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-6 #40 St Nick 2012-05-22 15:09
I would trade Silfverberg before I would trade Foligno, what has Silfverberg done in the NHL, nothing. Yet most think he will be the new Alfredsson in Ottawa because of what he did in the no-touch Swedish league. People love the soft Swedes but want to trade the hard working players. Let's get real, Foligno has grown in Ottawa & keeps improving & he is only 24 yrs old, 5th in scoring in the regular season & 2nd in scoring in the playoffs.

So what if he gets penalties from time to time, at least he is involved in the play, usually those are from hard work or driving the net which is what we want our players to do. Don't you wish the floater Spezza would work as hard as Foligno? I would love to get a Bogosian type player but I would rather move Silfverberg to get him & not a heart & soul player like Foligno, these are the kind of players that win in the playoffs while the "elite players" tend to dissappear when the going gets tough.
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+2 #41 Tcharger 2012-05-22 15:11
Major announcement by theBSens tomorrow? !?
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+3 #42 Hax 2012-05-22 15:13
Quoting Tcharger:
Major announcement by theBSens tomorrow? !?


New coach?

Clouston is back?

j/k
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+2 #43 MoeDozer 2012-05-22 15:14
i think if foligno realizes himself that he wont be a top 6 goal scorer early, he should work on being that player that fans love to have on their side but absolutely hate playing against him due to his non stop chirping other teams and just getting under the skin in general of the opposing teams.

there is a good reason i say this.
lets look back at the last few cup winners.

boston had lucic and marchand, now i know both these guys are 30g scorer. but other than that, they are both very annoying to play against. and them scoring just stings even more.

chicago had troy brouwer or a much less ben eager.

penguins had matt cooke

wings had holmstrom/franz en


and for some reason, come playoff time, almost all these guys production seems to elevate. which really only makes sense since playoffs isnt about beauty goals anymore its all about being physical and chipping away crashing the net etc.

i also hope for z.smith to start filling that role. and it will be interesting to see how zib or noesen develope since they both have that typical power forward grit.
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+1 #44 Tcharger 2012-05-22 15:18
Also Spezzavs Skinner in play of the year...not sure what point yet, on phone so voted

Its close
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+3 #45 SensChirp 2012-05-22 15:26
Quoting Tcharger:
Major announcement by theBSens tomorrow? !?

Digging but nobody I've talked to is sure what the announcement is. Seems a little quick for a new head coach unless they are promoting from within and going with Stirling.
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+4 #46 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-05-22 15:26
On another note, I really hope Binghamton decides to name Luke Richardson as their next head coach.

The man is a gentleman and has been through a lot the past couple years. He was a terrific player and a good coach. It would be nice to see the organization reward him with the head coaching job.

It's also nice to see the reaction from most fans towards Nick Foligno. He's a good player with a lot to prove still. I'm a big fan and would like to see him start and end his career with Ottawa. But I still believe that Nicky has the ability to score 20 goals a year. It's just up to him to do it.
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+1 #47 SensChirp 2012-05-22 15:29
Contact in Bingo suggests that Sens officials will be on hand for the announcement.
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-4 #48 Tcharger 2012-05-22 15:33
Hmmm interesting probably coach??

Going to read WAY too much into this,making space for an assistant coach in Ottawa?? So Richardson ...Alfie takes his place....God I hope I'm wrong.

Pure speculation on a VERY slow day...I expect the thumbs down lol
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+2 #49 Hax 2012-05-22 15:35
Quoting Tcharger:
Hmmm interesting probably coach??

Going to read WAY too much into this,making space for an assistant coach in Ottawa?? So Richardson ...Alfie takes his place....God I hope I'm wrong.

Pure speculation on a VERY slow day...I expect the thumbs down lol


That would be somewhat logical but I hope you're wrong too.

Though if Alfie has decided "it's time" then may as well rip the band-aid off quick and move on.
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0 #50 Tcharger 2012-05-22 15:42
The Sens representative being there is what is setting off red flags, it must have some crossover reason to be there.
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0 #51 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-05-22 15:42
Quoting Uncle Phil:
I find that Foligno is very weak on his skates. He must lead the NHL in falling down.


No that's Milo.
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0 #52 AllStarAlfie 2012-05-22 15:47
Hey chirp I have a contest idea:
You have to guess the correct order of the top 15 players in the draft and whoever predicts the most correct players and the order wins. Extra points if you predict #15 correctly
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+2 #53 GreeningTheMonster 2012-05-22 15:54
Quoting AllStarAlfie:
Hey chirp I have a contest idea:
You have to guess the correct order of the top 15 players in the draft and whoever predicts the most correct players and the order wins. Extra points if you predict #15 correctly


I second this
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+2 #54 DenisVial 2012-05-22 16:18
Quoting AllStarAlfie:
Hey chirp I have a contest idea:
You have to guess the correct order of the top 15 players in the draft and whoever predicts the most correct players and the order wins. Extra points if you predict #15 correctly


Whoever guesses the least gets the Craig Button award since his draft order is a joke!
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+6 #55 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2012-05-22 16:46
All I have to say about Foligno is that this time last year I played golf with Pierre Dorion and we discussed the team a fair bit. At that time I had strong feelings about trading the Nick Foligno (maybe package him with Lee or something for a solid player). And I made these feelings well known to Pierre. However...he made it very very clear that he as well as the entire organization has extremely high hopes for this kid. At that time Foligno's skating ability was his biggest downfall along with a bit of this spezza mentality where he thinks he can single-handedly dangle through an entire team...which obviously rarely works. I think we would all agree on both of these things AND that Foligno definitely improved his skating ability for this season. Like everyone has already pointed out...he is clearly a slow learner but he works his behind off and slowly but surely imporves every year because he does have a to of natural skill. 47 points is pretty serious stats as far as I'm concerned. He played maybe 30 games either as 2nd line C or LW. The rest was mostly with OBrien and Neil which don't get me wrong was a solid line but to put up almost 50 points is VERY impressive!
In my opinion, if he does another summer of power skating, along with making smarter decision (aka stop dangling like Spezza) he could get the coaches trust and therefore play consistent 2nd line minutes. If we could sign him to a 3 or 4 year deal at around 2.5 I'd be very happy. A the very worse he'd be an extremely valuable 3rd liner that when called upon can play just about enywhere in the lineup. And if you look around the league, good teams have a couple guys on the 3rd making even more than 2.5.
I say definitely keep Foligno
BUT...and it's a big BUT!! We absolutely need a legit 1st liner to play with Spezza. None of our prospects are bonified 1st line guys. Parise or Nash. I don't care if we have to give up 2 or 3 prospects. We have plenty and will enevr use all of them
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+1 #56 MoeDozer 2012-05-22 16:54
@ZachPraiseTheSwedes
i agreed with you until your final paragraph about none of our prospects are bonified 1st line guys. i was not aware we have a future predictor on this forum.

you will be very shocked at how good some of our prospects will turnout. i am fully convinced that of all our prospects, noesen will be the best. we just will not see that for another 2years atleast.

and with the high hopes and expectations we all have from guys like zibanejad and silfverberg. it just has to mean atleast 1 of them will be a legit top line player.
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+1 #57 Hax 2012-05-22 17:13
Quoting ZachPraiseTheSwedes:
All I have to say ....


BUT...and it's a big BUT!! We absolutely need a legit 1st liner to play with Spezza. None of our prospects are bonified 1st line guys. Parise or Nash. I don't care if we have to give up 2 or 3 prospects. We have plenty and will enevr use all of them


That stream of consciousness was painful on the eyes to read but did contain some good points.

I would assume that by your last paragraph you mean "right now" as MoeDozer is right that we have about 5-6 guys who could be legit top line guys - bound for one or two pan out in a few years time.
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-4 #58 Big bubba 2012-05-22 17:17
TRADE F oligno!!!

He has no clue where his line mates are since he skates like a beer leaguer with his head down

The Sens have tried to get him to get his head up but he still skates bent over
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+3 #59 Hax 2012-05-22 17:21
Quoting Big bubba:
TRADE F oligno!!!

He has no clue where his line mates are since he skates like a beer leaguer with his head down

The Sens have tried to get him to get his head up but he still skates bent over


You: Profound wisdom and incredible insight!

Me: Sarcasm
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+1 #60 Sandy 2012-05-22 17:26
Every team needs skill guys.. but they also need grit guys.

Neil, Smith, Foligno, Greening, Winchester... those are they type of guys you need in the bottom 6. You also need penalty killers like Condra... and if he comes back.. Kelly. Read on TSN or somewhere else.. that Boston may not have the cap space to sign him. He will probably get a pretty big payday... question is.. will it be with Ottawa.

I think the Sens major need right now is a shutdown defenseman... Saw in an article that Carolina says Bryan Allan is going to July 1st as a UFA. What would he be worth? -- Just saw he is from Kingston.. would Ottawa be one of his choices should they go that way?
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+1 #61 Just Sayin 2012-05-22 17:27
This may come off sounding a bit creepy, but Shane Prince's sister might be the next in line after Carrie Underwood and Hilary Duff in terms of player's guests getting on camera at Sens games. (Though she's neither a girlfriend or a singer like the other two of course.)
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0 #62 SensChirp 2012-05-22 17:50
Already have an idea for the next contest but I like the sounds of that draft order option as another way to pass the time this off season.
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+1 #63 SensChirp 2012-05-22 17:55
Speculation coming out of Binghamton seems to suggest it will indeed be a head coach announcement. One contact suggesting the rumour right now is Richardson as the head coach with Stirling staying on as an assistant.

Just rumoured at this point. Will keep digging for something more concrete.
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-2 #64 Tcharger 2012-05-22 18:17
I think the writing is on the wall and most people see who his replacement is.
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0 #65 DenisVial 2012-05-22 18:20
Quoting Tcharger:
I think the writing is on the wall and most people see who his replacement is.


Say it ain't so. Praise Alfie!
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+1 #66 Hax 2012-05-22 18:22
Quoting Tcharger:
I think the writing is on the wall and most people see who his replacement is.


Wasn't Luke just part-time with the big club? I don't think he held down an official coaching slot (i.e. special teams or something) did he?

Not sure if that would make it less likely or more likely that it's making room for Alfie though.

I certainly don't think they'd push Luke into the Bingo job just to make room for Alfie though.
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-1 #67 Tcharger 2012-05-22 18:23
I honestly really hope I am wrong....don't want these bragging rights for calling it. Although realistically there isn't a better time for him to go prospect wise,and if I am right I love the fact that he will still be an integeral part of the team and remain visible for fans.

Getting a shot at a head coaching gig isn't really pushing him away though...althou gh I do agree. I'm not sure what his official title was before his unfortunate incident. Or after it
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0 #68 Floridasensfan 2012-05-22 18:45
Alfie said a coaching job was more hours than a player and if he was stepping away he would want to relax a bit, he could be an option down the road but doubt seriously it is a consideration now.

On Foligno he is a tough player like others have said, I don't care if he is top 6 but he sure seems to fit well on the Neil line.

If he is traded to make us better I am also ok with that as well, no way we let him go for free.

I would however like to see him pass more, don't forget Foligno was the guy that got us some last second goals to win some games.
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0 #69 Mr Hockey 2012-05-22 18:47
Is it known when this announcement will be made? I can't find anything about it.
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-1 #70 Tcharger 2012-05-22 18:51
Mr hockey..tomorro w, came from a Bsens person on twitter
Florida ...if that's actually the case then taking Richardson s spot for Alfie makes a tonne of sense.
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0 #71 Mr Hockey 2012-05-22 18:52
Maybe they'll promote Kleinendorst to NHL assistant coach and give Richardson head coach in Binghamton. Not really a demotion for Richardson but it does give Kleinendorst his shot in the NHL. I don't know if he's signed with another team either so who knows. Here's hoping the Sens brass are there to announce Alfies playing next year.
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-1 #72 Tcharger 2012-05-22 18:57
Chirp confirmed on twitter that the press conference is to announce a new head coach...didn't say who though.
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0 #73 SensChirp 2012-05-22 18:58
Quoting Tcharger:
Chirp confirmed on twitter that the press conference is to announce a new head coach...didn't say who though.

Update at the top of the post. As I suggested above, folks seem to think it will be Richardson that gets the job with Stirling as an assistant.

Still trying to confirm the speculation though.
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-1 #74 Tcharger 2012-05-22 19:00
So chirp do you think this has any implication or direction as to what Alfies decision is?

Think I am reading too much into it?
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0 #75 SensChirp 2012-05-22 19:05
Quoting Tcharger:
So chirp do you think this has any implication or direction as to what Alfies decision is?

Think I am reading too much into it?

I think (hope) so. Alfie's comments while at the World Championship seemed to indicate that while he would like to coach at some point, it's not something he's looking at in the near future.
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+3 #76 The Apostle 2012-05-22 19:08
If Alfie was ready to announce his retirement he would do it regardless of what job Luke Richardson holds.

Until he stands at a podium and says "I'm done" I'm expecting him to be playing next year.
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+3 #77 SensChirp 2012-05-22 20:33
Courtesy of Matt Puempel on Twitter apparently Darren Kramer has signed a contract with the Sens. Will be an interesting player to watch in Bingo next season.

@mpuempel Congrats to @DarrenKramer22 on signing with the #sens today #tuff #chlheavy
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0 #78 SensChirp 2012-05-22 20:38
And from earlier- an article that says the Sens have signed prospect Jakub Culek to an entry level deal.

http://www.sportsjuniors.com/2012/05/culek-signe-a-ottawa/
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+1 #79 jakester 2012-05-22 20:46
Darren Kramer - wow you have to love a guy with heart like that. Can throw a punch with both hands equally well. Happy if its Richardson - his family and him have been through a lot - he deserves it. Alfie, have to think that a guy who just scored 27 realizes that it isn't time to hang them up just yet.
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0 #80 Tcharger 2012-05-22 20:53
Wow busy day/night in Sensville.

I agree with everyone. I hope Alfie isn't done...but having had serious concussions in my past it can be a serious difference maker..especial ly with all the recent studies and scary findings in regards to them...health and being coherent and able to enjoy and have your family enjoy you has to be 100% tops in his mind. I know when I see all these football players wanting their brains studied for the tramua caused it scares me and I never played/competed at even close to a professional level.

I genuinely think that I still have residual affects of a concussion from about a decade ago....if not properly taken care of you seriously don't get over them.
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0 #81 senskarlsson57 2012-05-22 21:02
Man oh man...Bingo is gonna be a great team next year! Add a new coach and things are lookin' pretty darn good!

Btw...big fan of Culek here. I've seen him play a few times and he's always been a very noticeable player on the ice, and in a good way ;)
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+2 #82 Hax 2012-05-22 21:08
@TCharger - yeah I think that's pretty much the deciding factor for Alfie.

If he has medical advice that tells him he's taking a significant risk of his quality of life after he does retire then he won't play next year. It will likely be hard to hang them us since he (clearly) can still play, but one more year isn't worth the risk (if it's significant) of serious damage to a husband and father of four.

I think if he's medically okay to play, he'll play.
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-1 #83 SwedishSens 2012-05-22 22:22
@Chirp

Hey chirp anything to these rumors that its Mark Reed or Dave Cameron taking the job with Alfredsson taking a assistant role on Macleans staff with the big club !?!
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-1 #84 Hax 2012-05-23 06:40
Ugh.

Every time Penner scores I worry that Murray is going to want to sign him.

Gotta live the Kings twitter feed though:

LA Kings ‏@LAKings

Pancakes for everyone! @DustinPenner25 with the game-winner.
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+1 #85 SensChirp 2012-05-23 07:45
Quoting FAIL4NAIL:
@Chirp

Hey chirp anything to these rumors that its Mark Reed or Dave Cameron taking the job with Alfredsson taking a assistant role on Macleans staff with the big club !?!

Nope :)

My contact in Bingo was right. It will be Luke Richardson that gets the job. Great hire!
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-1 #86 Tcharger 2012-05-23 07:46
Hey I'm not a contact in bingo!

:)
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+1 #87 SensChirp 2012-05-23 07:50
Quoting Tcharger:
Hey I'm not a contact in bingo!

:)

Fine. Contact in Bingo with support from Tcharger's ramblings in the comment section :)
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+1 #88 Tcharger 2012-05-23 08:01
Hahahaha my first acknowledgment !!
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+3 #89 Alcatraz 2012-05-23 09:00
Can we please put a gag order on Alfie retirement talk on these forums?

Any piece of news related to Ottawa we turn it into some subliminal message about Alfie wanting to retire

He has 1 year left on his contract and I would be very surprised he doesn't play it out

Alfie's contract is the first in the NHL that was front loaded to lower cap hit for those who are 35+ to come into factor

Knowing how Alfie is, and the position he has held within the NHLPA, I highly doubt he will retire with the only 1m year left, as it will send a horrible message and be an awful example heading into CBA negotiations

I don't think Alfie would want that hanging over his head that he circumvened the cap "cheated" the system. Its just not him. He has a year left, he will play it out

Now onto that gag order
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0 #90 Hax 2012-05-23 09:22
224 (63) Hax
214 (53) Glencho10
213 (57) PaskySensFan
212 (55) DonnyG33
211 (54) Bradweiser
211 (51) Misaow
210 (63) acameron56
207 (56) sens23
206 (62) NorCalSens
205 (54) Bluenose

(and yes I probably wouldn't be posting the pool standings if I wasn't in the top 10)
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0 #91 miguel 2012-05-23 09:26
Quoting Alcatraz:
Can we please put a gag order on Alfie retirement talk on these forums?

Any piece of news related to Ottawa we turn it into some subliminal message about Alfie wanting to retire

He has 1 year left on his contract and I would be very surprised he doesn't play it out

Alfie's contract is the first in the NHL that was front loaded to lower cap hit for those who are 35+ to come into factor

Knowing how Alfie is, and the position he has held within the NHLPA, I highly doubt he will retire with the only 1m year left, as it will send a horrible message and be an awful example heading into CBA negotiations

I don't think Alfie would want that hanging over his head that he circumvened the cap "cheated" the system. Its just not him. He has a year left, he will play it out

Now onto that gag order


Halleluha,

Alfie was with all his injuries one of our best players.
He will be retiring soon... but just not next year. He has plenty ot offer, and there are plenty more players with more serious concussion injures than what was suffered by Alfie ie Booth in Vancouver.
He will take some time off, and talk to his familiy, and his boys will cry ( as will I )if he does not play one more year
Nuff said Alfie will be back... Book it!
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0 #92 Hax 2012-05-23 09:28
Quoting Alcatraz:
Can we please put a gag order on Alfie retirement talk on these forums?

Any piece of news related to Ottawa we turn it into some subliminal message about Alfie wanting to retire

He has 1 year left on his contract and I would be very surprised he doesn't play it out

Alfie's contract is the first in the NHL that was front loaded to lower cap hit for those who are 35+ to come into factor

Knowing how Alfie is, and the position he has held within the NHLPA, I highly doubt he will retire with the only 1m year left, as it will send a horrible message and be an awful example heading into CBA negotiations

I don't think Alfie would want that hanging over his head that he circumvened the cap "cheated" the system. Its just not him. He has a year left, he will play it out

Now onto that gag order


I agree with this sentiment. I think the only exception might be if Alfie's doctors have serious concerns about what another concussion might do to his long-term health. If he's not really at any great risk then I think he'll play but if he's in a situation where doctors warn that one more concussion might seriously impact his post-career health I expect he might retire (and I'd support that of course).

As for the gag order - it's probably the biggest issue on Sens fans' minds right now so I don't think people will be able to hold off on speculating. Hopefully Alfie announces his intentions soon though so we can either celebrate or start to make our peace with his retirement.
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0 #93 Tcharger 2012-05-23 09:30
Seriously hope you guys are right....but essentially the ideal coaching position(part time)opens up while he is possibly still making his decision as to if he returns or not...would be pretty naive to say that it won't add more to the +s to the retire column.

I am not in anyway saying Richardsons position within the organization has any weight as to Alfies decision just that the opening of his position as one that would appeal to him may.

Agreed on the decision coming soon(just not too soon, as in to fill the void on our bench)....any time after they name a replacement for Richardson. LOL
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0 #94 Tcharger 2012-05-23 09:42
Quoting Hax:
224 (63) Hax
214 (53) Glencho10
213 (57) PaskySensFan
212 (55) DonnyG33
211 (54) Bradweiser
211 (51) Misaow
210 (63) acameron56
207 (56) sens23
206 (62) NorCalSens
205 (54) Bluenose

(and yes I probably wouldn't be posting the pool standings if I wasn't in the top 10)



I totally stopped posting it or paying attention that much following my disastrous second round.
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0 #95 C 2012-05-23 09:51
TSN Play of the Year is about a 50-50 split with Spezza vs. Skinner, with Skinner having a slight lead. Get voting!
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0 #96 Tcharger 2012-05-23 09:54
Watching it again...shouldn 't Skinner have been called offside? Or is Hockey becoming like Basketball and as long as it is a nice play the rules don't apply?
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0 #97 spezzerman 2012-05-23 10:02
I think it would be completely out of character for him not to come back and ensure fans knew they were watching his last season/game and provide the chance to praise him accordingly. (and not because he craves it, because he knows what it would mean to the Sens fans and franchise) The only way he wouldnt if his head was too mush to play again. That said, I really dont think he would have played the worlds if there were any questions about his health. So, I can say with great confidence he's coming back. :)
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0 #98 Hax 2012-05-23 10:12
Quoting spezzerman:
I think it would be completely out of character for him not to come back and ensure fans knew they were watching his last season/game and provide the chance to praise him accordingly. (and not because he craves it, because he knows what it would mean to the Sens fans and franchise) The only way he wouldnt if his head was too mush to play again. That said, I really dont think he would have played the worlds if there were any questions about his health. So, I can say with great confidence he's coming back. :)


While that might be true to a point, there is a difference between playing in the "nobody hits" worlds and a full NHL season against the likes of Wolski, Hagelin, Cooke (not so much anymore maybe) etc. But it's certainly a good sign that he played.
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0 #99 spezzerman 2012-05-23 10:21
Quoting Hax:
Quoting spezzerman:
I think it would be completely out of character for him not to come back and ensure fans knew they were watching his last season/game and provide the chance to praise him accordingly. (and not because he craves it, because he knows what it would mean to the Sens fans and franchise) The only way he wouldnt if his head was too mush to play again. That said, I really dont think he would have played the worlds if there were any questions about his health. So, I can say with great confidence he's coming back. :)


While that might be true to a point, there is a difference between playing in the "nobody hits" worlds and a full NHL season against the likes of Wolski, Hagelin, Cooke (not so much anymore maybe) etc. But it's certainly a good sign that he played.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdKjFlfIL8Y

there were hits. suspensions, concussions. not NHL playoff nasty but hardly tame.
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0 #100 MethotToMyMadness 2012-05-23 10:29
A little off topic, but was reading a story about Kyle Turris on the Sens website about his time in Ottawa. Good write up. Looks like Turris is very excited about this training camp and working with Chris Schwarz. I saw he breaks the 200lbs mark come the start of the season.

I couldn't help but think of all the times, since his arrival, I've seen him here. He spends a lot of time in Kanata, because I've ran into him at a few local eating establishments, a pub and the bank. And the strangest thing, there was a letter outside my mailbox addressed to a Mr Kyle Turris. I've seen his Escalade before, he doens't appear to live in my condo unit, because it isn't parked around me. So it's either a big mistake, or we have another Kyle Turris in Kanata. Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out.

As fans, who do you tend to run into the most from the Sens? Before Turris, I saw Neil and Alfie the most. Actually, I just saw Neil at the new Zak's Diner in Kanata, only a few days after they were eliminated.
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0 #101 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-05-23 10:33
Congrats coach Richardson!
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0 #102 miguel 2012-05-23 10:34
I bump into quite a few of them over lunch at Pesto's in Kanata
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0 #103 spezzerman 2012-05-23 10:39
Quoting madpajamma:
A little off topic, but was reading a story about Kyle Turris on the Sens website about his time in Ottawa. Good write up. Looks like Turris is very excited about this training camp and working with Chris Schwarz. I saw he breaks the 200lbs mark come the start of the season.

I couldn't help but think of all the times, since his arrival, I've seen him here. He spends a lot of time in Kanata, because I've ran into him at a few local eating establishments, a pub and the bank. And the strangest thing, there was a letter outside my mailbox addressed to a Mr Kyle Turris. I've seen his Escalade before, he doens't appear to live in my condo unit, because it isn't parked around me. So it's either a big mistake, or we have another Kyle Turris in Kanata. Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out.

As fans, who do you tend to run into the most from the Sens? Before Turris, I saw Neil and Alfie the most. Actually, I just saw Neil at the new Zak's Diner in Kanata, only a few days after they were eliminated.


The only time I've ever seen any sens out was years ago at Fathers and Sons. Neil and Redden were there. Must have been 10 years ago.

I could take this opportunity to pass on this little tidbit; My brother has a close friend who played with Silfverberg in Brynas last season. He told me his buddy was saying Silfverberg he is a really great guy, great attitude, down to earth and is "the real deal."
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0 #104 Tookie 2012-05-23 10:52
Quoting Alcatraz:
I don't think Alfie would want that hanging over his head that he circumvened the cap "cheated" the system. Its just not him. He has a year left, he will play it out

Now onto that gag order


He still needs a head for it to hang over, you cant deny the factor the concussions have on 40 year old players. Its a huge factor and if he feels that its not worth the 1M to play and risk his future with his fam & kids.

Also the way things ended at the WC, you would have to think he's done, he couldnt win with a stacked team and hands on fav in his own country.
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-3 #105 St Nick 2012-05-23 11:19
Bingo Head Coach - Luke Richardson
Bingo Asst Coach - Steve Sterling
Sens sign - Kramer & Culek

Hoffman - Da Costa - Petersson
Schneider - Cannone - Zibanejad
Culek - Grant - Stone
Kramer - Hamilton - Downing/Caporusso

Returned to junior as over agers - Prince & Pageau

Boroweicki - Wideman
Wiercioch - Gryba
Blood - Claesson

Lehner - UFA (possibly sign a Memorial Cup unsigned goalie)
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+1 #106 Alcatraz 2012-05-23 11:33
Quoting St Nick:
Bingo Head Coach - Luke Richardson
Bingo Asst Coach - Steve Sterling
Sens sign - Kramer & Culek

Hoffman - Da Costa - Petersson
Schneider - Cannone - Zibanejad
Culek - Grant - Stone
Kramer - Hamilton - Downing/Caporusso

Returned to junior as over agers - Prince & Pageau

Boroweicki - Wideman
Wiercioch - Gryba
Blood - Claesson

Lehner - UFA (possibly sign a Memorial Cup unsigned goalie)


Very rarely do prospects ever return to junior as overagers. Its probably the worst thing you can do for their development
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+2 #107 BigBubba 2012-05-23 11:37
Why the hell would Prince be returned to the 67's ???

Some of the comments on this site seem to be written by idiots.

Luke was never a full time assistant coach with the Sens so why would he becoming the Bingo Head Coach (WHICH HE WILL BE) have ANY impact on Alfie's plans to be a coach ??? Idiotic !


I really wonder whether any of you realize that the Sens used 16 forwards against the Rangers in the playoffs & that doesn't include Peter Regin. And 19 forwards played 9 games or more during the regular season.

You can not bring everyone back when you want to make room for several younger forwards like Silfverburg or Stone. It will not suprise me one bit if the Sens start the year with only 11 forwards on 1-way deals.

All the more reason to TRADE FOLIGNO NOW !
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0 #108 DenisVial 2012-05-23 11:37
Quoting St Nick:
Bingo Head Coach - Luke Richardson
Bingo Asst Coach - Steve Sterling
Sens sign - Kramer & Culek

Hoffman - Da Costa - Petersson
Schneider - Cannone - Zibanejad
Culek - Grant - Stone
Kramer - Hamilton - Downing/Caporusso

Returned to junior as over agers - Prince & Pageau

Boroweicki - Wideman
Wiercioch - Gryba
Blood - Claesson

Lehner - UFA (possibly sign a Memorial Cup unsigned goalie)


No Puempel or Noesen?
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-1 #109 BigBubba 2012-05-23 11:42
SENSCHIRP READERs means I D I O Ts
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+3 #110 Hax 2012-05-23 11:43
Quoting BigBubba:
Why the hell would Prince be returned to the 67's ???

Some of the comments on this site seem to be written by idiots.

Luke was never a full time assistant coach with the Sens so why would he becoming the Bingo Head Coach (WHICH HE WILL BE) have ANY impact on Alfie's plans to be a coach ??? Idiotic !


I really wonder whether any of you realize that the Sens used 16 forwards against the Rangers in the playoffs & that doesn't include Peter Regin. And 19 forwards played 9 games or more during the regular season.

You can not bring everyone back when you want to make room for several younger forwards like Silfverburg or Stone. It will not suprise me one bit if the Sens start the year with only 11 forwards on 1-way deals.

All the more reason to TRADE FOLIGNO NOW !


Thanks for coming out Bubba. Say hi to your cousin/wife for me.
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0 #111 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2012-05-23 11:46
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting St Nick:
Bingo Head Coach - Luke Richardson
Bingo Asst Coach - Steve Sterling
Sens sign - Kramer & Culek

Hoffman - Da Costa - Petersson
Schneider - Cannone - Zibanejad
Culek - Grant - Stone
Kramer - Hamilton - Downing/Caporusso

Returned to junior as over agers - Prince & Pageau

Boroweicki - Wideman
Wiercioch - Gryba
Blood - Claesson

Lehner - UFA (possibly sign a Memorial Cup unsigned goalie)


No Puempel or Noesen?


Comes down to age both being 19 they will be sent back too OHL
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0 #112 captainohmycaptain11 2012-05-23 11:46
Quoting St Nick:
Bingo Head Coach - Luke Richardson
Bingo Asst Coach - Steve Sterling
Sens sign - Kramer & Culek

Hoffman - Da Costa - Petersson
Schneider - Cannone - Zibanejad
Culek - Grant - Stone
Kramer - Hamilton - Downing/Caporusso

Returned to junior as over agers - Prince & Pageau

Boroweicki - Wideman
Wiercioch - Gryba
Blood - Claesson

Lehner - UFA (possibly sign a Memorial Cup unsigned goalie)


No way that Pageau returns to junior, he's got nothing left to prove there and Murray said last summer that Pageau was already good to go in the AHL.
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-1 #113 Hax 2012-05-23 11:50
Have to agree that none of our 19yo prospects will be sent back to junior. They'll make room in Bingo. Might be one exception, but I doubt even that.
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0 #114 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2012-05-23 11:56
Quoting Hax:
Have to agree that none of our 19yo prospects will be sent back to junior. They'll make room in Bingo. Might be one exception, but I doubt even that.


A CHL player can play in the AHL once his season is over regardless of age

A player who will be 20 before DECEMBER 31st of the Season can play in the AHL from the start of the season (or if the player has already played 4 years in the CHL which Puempel has not)

Since Puempel will be 20 in January, he can not start the season in the AHL next season or go there mid season... If his birthday was Dec 31st or sooner (2012) he could play full time in the AHL

It is either NHL or CHL for him

(This is in the CHL/NHL Transfer agreement)

So it all depends on age and 4 year term not only for Pumepel
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0 #115 Tcharger 2012-05-23 11:58
Hahaha I love morons.

Big Idiot(Bubba)... .it would have an affect on Alfie because he says coaching possibly take more time and attention than playing....hey look a part time gig he could try if he s decides to go that route.

1+1 =2 around here eh son?
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0 #116 Hax 2012-05-23 11:59
Quoting TURRIS91:
Quoting Hax:
Have to agree that none of our 19yo prospects will be sent back to junior. They'll make room in Bingo. Might be one exception, but I doubt even that.


A CHL player can play in the AHL once his season is over regardless of age

A player who will be 20 before DECEMBER 31st of the Season can play in the AHL from the start of the season (or if the player has already played 4 years in the CHL which Puempel has not)

Since Puempel will be 20 in January, he can not start the season in the AHL next season or go there mid season... If his birthday was Dec 31st or sooner (2012) he could play full time in the AHL

It is either NHL or CHL for him

(This is in the CHL/NHL Transfer agreement)

So it all depends on age and 4 year term not only for Pumepel


Good info - so does that only apply to Puempel? I would assume that anyone eligible for the AHL among our top prospects will be there. And Puempel will get a shot in camp to steal a spot in the NHL (though he'd be a huge long shot).
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0 #117 SensChirp 2012-05-23 12:00
Going to delay the SensChirp Contest till tomorrow with the news out of Binghamton this afternoon. Hoping that our Bingo Contributor Don Rieber will have something to post later this afternoon, following the 3:00 PM press conference.
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0 #118 EAnhlGM 2012-05-23 12:03
Puemple finished in bingo...
I assume he's qualified, and the sens want him in bingo
Just my .02$
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0 #119 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2012-05-23 12:09
Quoting Hax:
Quoting TURRIS91:
Quoting Hax:
Have to agree that none of our 19yo prospects will be sent back to junior. They'll make room in Bingo. Might be one exception, but I doubt even that.


A CHL player can play in the AHL once his season is over regardless of age

A player who will be 20 before DECEMBER 31st of the Season can play in the AHL from the start of the season (or if the player has already played 4 years in the CHL which Puempel has not)

Since Puempel will be 20 in January, he can not start the season in the AHL next season or go there mid season... If his birthday was Dec 31st or sooner (2012) he could play full time in the AHL

It is either NHL or CHL for him

(This is in the CHL/NHL Transfer agreement)

So it all depends on age and 4 year term not only for Pumepel


Good info - so does that only apply to Puempel? I would assume that anyone eligible for the AHL among our top prospects will be there. And Puempel will get a shot in camp to steal a spot in the NHL (though he'd be a huge long shot).



Not just Puempel ..I would have to go through there age and term too see but Puempel and Noeson are not allowed
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+1 #120 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2012-05-23 12:19
Quoting EAnhlGM:
Puemple finished in bingo...
I assume he's qualified, and the sens want him in bingo
Just my .02$


He was only allowed cause his season was over
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-1 #121 miguel 2012-05-23 12:32
Quoting BigBubba:
Why the hell would Prince be returned to the 67's ???

Some of the comments on this site seem to be written by SENSCHIRP READERs.

Luke was never a full time assistant coach with the Sens so why would he becoming the Bingo Head Coach (WHICH HE WILL BE) have ANY impact on Alfie's plans to be a coach ??? SENSCHIRP READERic !


I really wonder whether any of you realize that the Sens used 16 forwards against the Rangers in the playoffs & that doesn't include Peter Regin. And 19 forwards played 9 games or more during the regular season.

You can not bring everyone back when you want to make room for several younger forwards like Silfverburg or Stone. It will not suprise me one bit if the Sens start the year with only 11 forwards on 1-way deals.

All the more reason to TRADE FOLIGNO NOW !


whooa Big Bubba,
whats with all the hostility.
Poor St Nick is merely making a small prognosis on what Bingo may look like next year, and it looks like Bingo will have quite the exciting team.
And you Blow a gasket... and I am not quite sure what your bitching about.
Ease up Cowboy, its a slow summer day, after a great year, and before a couple of better years for our Sens!
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0 #122 No65* 2012-05-23 13:23
The reason why the Gatineau Olympiques traded Pageau to Chicoutimi last winter was because they got the confirmation from Murray that he would not be back in the Q next season. Otherwise, Gatineau they would have kept him.
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+1 #123 Hax 2012-05-23 13:28
Quoting No65*:
The reason why the Gatineau Olympiques traded Pageau to Chicoutimi last winter was because they got the confirmation from Murray that he would not be back in the Q next season. Otherwise, Gatineau they would have kept him.


Pageau's birthday is 11/11 so that fits - he'd be eligible to play in the AHL.
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0 #124 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2012-05-23 13:29
Quoting Hax:
Quoting No65*:
The reason why the Gatineau Olympiques traded Pageau to Chicoutimi last winter was because they got the confirmation from Murray that he would not be back in the Q next season. Otherwise, Gatineau they would have kept him.


Pageau's birthday is 11/11 so that fits - he'd be eligible to play in the AHL.


You are right Hax..All Murray has to do is sign Pageau ..and Prince
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+1 #125 Hax 2012-05-23 13:32
Quoting TURRIS91:
Not just Puempel ..I would have to go through there age and term too see but Puempel and Noeson are not allowed


Puempel, Noeson - 1993 (so Sens or Junior)
Pageau, Prince - 1992 (so would expect both in Bingo)
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0 #126 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2012-05-23 13:36
Quoting Hax:
Quoting TURRIS91:
Not just Puempel ..I would have to go through there age and term too see but Puempel and Noeson are not allowed


Puempel, Noeson - 1993 (so Sens or Junior)
Pageau, Prince - 1992 (so would expect both in Bingo)


Yup they just need to be signed (Pageau and Prince)

Already signed for next season:
Forwards - Da Costa, Petersson, Hoffman, Cannone, Zibanejad, Schneider, Grant, Dzuirzynski, Culek, Hamilton, Caporusso, Cowick, Downing & Stone Kramer
Defence - Boroweicki, Wideman, Wiercioch, Gryba, Blood, Claesson
Still to be signed: Klinkhammer, Prince, Pageau
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-1 #127 Mike Bauer 2012-05-23 13:42
Foligno isn't worth 2-3mil. I would resign him to a 2 year deal at pretty much the same salary - 1.5-1.8mil. He has done nothing to warrant a raise, he's still a fringe top6 guy AT BEST.
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0 #128 filliam 2012-05-23 13:53
The Sens don't really have much depth in their top 6 right now - they do have a lot of guys that have the potential to play that role (stone, zbad, silfverberg, and puempel and noesen further down) but we haven't seen that yet. Keep him to fill that role until these guys develop more and sign for 2-3 year and when the time comes, look for trade options.
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0 #129 Sens of Peskyville 2012-05-23 14:03
Quoting Mike Bauer:
Foligno isn't worth 2-3mil. I would resign him to a 2 year deal at pretty much the same salary - 1.5-1.8mil. He has done nothing to warrant a raise, he's still a fringe top6 guy AT BEST.


Having a career year is "nothing"? Being 5th in scoring behind the "big 4" is nothing? Man, tough crowd.

No one is saying he's a bona fide top 6 player, but look around the league at 24 year old players who score 45-50 pts... how many of them, in your wise opinion, are worth $2-3 million?
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0 #130 miguel 2012-05-23 14:31
Quoting DajaSens:
Quoting Mike Bauer:
Foligno isn't worth 2-3mil. I would resign him to a 2 year deal at pretty much the same salary - 1.5-1.8mil. He has done nothing to warrant a raise, he's still a fringe top6 guy AT BEST.


Having a career year is "nothing"? Being 5th in scoring behind the "big 4" is nothing? Man, tough crowd.

No one is saying he's a bona fide top 6 player, but look around the league at 24 year old players who score 45-50 pts... how many of them, in your wise opinion, are worth $2-3 million?


Well said,
just for the fun, I would like to see the people who have but up between 40-50 points last year, and see what the average salary was.
I am sure it is much more than the 1.5 mil we paid Foligno.
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+1 #131 Hax 2012-05-23 14:31
Quoting Mike Bauer:
Foligno isn't worth 2-3mil. I would resign him to a 2 year deal at pretty much the same salary - 1.5-1.8mil. He has done nothing to warrant a raise, he's still a fringe top6 guy AT BEST.


You sound like that Mike Bauer guy ... oh wait....
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0 #132 Hax 2012-05-23 14:48
new post up
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0 #133 Nicholas19 2012-05-23 17:07
A little off topic but does anybody like this trade?

To EDM Gryba or Wiercoch

To Ottawa Linus Omark

i am a really big fan of this kid and i dont think edmonton really needs him anymore, i think he would be a great addition with zibby and silf going forward.
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