Last year there was a general consensus the Senators needed to take a forward, where as this time around fans fully support the “best player available” approach.
With the departure of David Rundblad last season, the Senators would obviously love to add to the defensive depth in the organization but will not go out of their way to do so. If the best guy available is a forward, they’ll take him. If it’s a goalie, they are prepared to make that selection too.
The name that seems to be coming up most in pre-draft speculation is Cody Ceci. The star defenceman for the Ottawa 67’s is coming off a big year in which he solidified his position as a first round pick. Trouble is some mock drafts and scouting lists have Ceci going in the top 10 meaning it's unlikely he’d fall all the way to 15.
The International Scouting Service released their updated prospect list earlier this week and intriguing names like Sebastian Collberg (a 5’11 winger out of Sweden), Alexander Galchenyuk ( a 6’0 winger from the Sarnia Sting) and Radek Faksa ( a 6’3 LW with Kitchener) are all in the neighborhood of the 15th overall selection.
Another name to keep an eye on is Slater Koekkoek. A tough as nails defenceman with a great all around game, Koekkoek is ranked 21st by the ISS but is a player that has turned heads in the OHL with Peterborough this season.
Unlike last season where I could recite the draft prospects and their bios drunk and blindfolded, I am only just now starting to look at and ask about the Sens plans for draft day. I’ll continue to update on the draft in the month ahead.
In the meantime, here is a link to the updated ISS Rankings, a mock draft, the Red Line report, the NHL Draft Centre Page and a hilarious clip of Bryan Murray tricking Brian Burke into taking Nazem Kadri instead of Jared Cowen.
- Daniel Alfredsson’s plans for next season are still very much up in the air after a disappointing loss at the World Championships. In an interview with local Swedish media after the game, Alfie said there is a chance this was his last competitive game. I wouldn’t read too much into that just yet. I honestly believe Alfredsson has not made up his mind yet and will take the next couple of weeks to reflect. Safe to say we’ll get his decision sometime in the next few weeks
- Forward Milan Michalek is the last Senator standing at the World Championships. It had been a fairly quiet tourney for Michalek until his last minute game winner against the Swedes. Michalek and the Czechs will take on Slovakia in the semi-finals.
then we go and sign parenteau and gaustad
parenteau-spezza-silf
michalek-turris-alfie
greening-gaustad-neil
o'brien-smith-condra
karlsson-bogosian
gonchar-cowen
phillips-boro/gryba
I like the Bogosian suggestion, but that may be slight overpayment, probably a later pick or lower player coming back our way would even it out. I wonder if they'd do a blockbuster for Kane & Bogosian?
Bishop, Foligno, 1st rnd pick, Wiercioch and a later pick or mid level player/prospect .
They have considered moving Bogo before
I don't think we can offer less than a 1st and Foligno
Put it this way, if Cowen was avail what would you expect Ottawa to get in return? Pretty much similar comparable with Bogosian, it will take a lot
Just re-read your post, I agree we could take back an AHL guy to replace boro perhaps
Now look at Montreal & buffalo who have too many small fast skilled players & both teams are looking to get bigger. Small players are one hit away from concussions & can't defend themselves against bigger, toughter, players. We need more players who can defend themselves & their teammates & are willing to compete all over the ice. Any one of these guys could be around at 15th overall.
Reinhart
Ceci
Faksa
Maata
Gaunce
Laughton
Wilson
Koekoek
Hertl
There have been strong rumors for the last year that Kane is a piece they're considering moving as they're not sure he's the guy they want to build around. Just saying if those rumors are true we should jump on it.
Ya, I'm not saying your offer is way off, they'd just have to add a small piece to their end.
Kane is a flat out gamer
I'd throw a lot there way to get him
If Olli Maata is available that would be awesome. If not, Matt Finn is my second pick.
Remember our last 15th pick guys?! He didn't turn out too shabby, eh?
And Chirp Neosen is our pick from the Fish trade. We traded our two seconds for Puempel.
Right you are! Thanks for the correction.
Agreed, that's all I was trying to say. I think he's going to be a top end player for sure!
I don't want to relive the whole "BPA debates" of last summer, but I will remind everyone that when an NHL executive or scout says "BPA" they're talking about there be a decent gap between two players. In NHL12 parlance (those are the folks that need the explanation) you don't take a 73 over a 72 without really looking at the 72 closely. If the 72 fills a need you have while the 73 is going to get lost in a position where you have plenty of depth you take the 72 EVERY TIME. Now if it's a choice between a 74 and a 70 then of course you take the 74 even if you have 100 guys just like him since you can trade him (or one of the other 74s) for a 72 or 73 guy in a position you need more depth.
So if Ottawa gets to the podium and their choice is between a forward who's very slightly ahead of a defencemen, they'll likely take the D (assuming they can't trade down a spot or something).
I laid off this sentiment the past week, because everyone kept saying I was wrong to think such a way lol
Its the ideal draft to move DOWN. In all honesty only idiots would move up, unless its to get into the top 5 IMO
from 8-20 anyone can go anywhere. We are at 15 why don't we drop to 20-25 range and pick up a 2nd rounder in the process?
We have Karlsson and Cowen who will both be making 5 mill plus I would imagine at some point. They are slotted as our two best Dmen for years to come.
Why jump up to get a "franchise" dman that will be pidgeon-holed into our #3 spot. Its like Nashville situation right now
Who ever we draft as a late first rounder in this "weaker" draft will probably max out as a #3 dman, if by moving down we can get a future #3 along with a 2nd round who could turn into a rugged 5/6 man then we are set
Also think financially down the line. Go and trade assets to move up and get ceci and we could be looking at investing nearly 15-20 million on 3 dmen, not great in a cap world
For example Ceci: I'd probably be willing to part with a mid-range forward prospect to get him (i.e. not any of our first-rounders) . Same for Murray (the player, not Bryan). Outside of those two I don't think I'd pay much to move up. If someone like Dumba or Reinhart falls down past 10th then I'd consider moving up to grab them (or any of the other D our scouts might like).
But yeah, there's no real urgency to move up to get our money's worth on our first pick and depending on how things play out moving down might be the smart move.
I don't expect them to move up or down until draft day (unless it's part of some other "hockey trade") but I think Murray will have a lot of options planned out depending on how the first 8-10 picks go and be ready to deal.
Should be an interesting first round.
I don't see Cowen as a $5M+ guy. Of course it would be fantastic if that's how high his upside is but I think he's more of a $3.5-$4M guy tops (by today's standards that is - in 5 years guys like him might be making $8M and the cap might be $100M).
Yeah it depends on how far we move and why. If we drop a spot or two because there's a couple of guys still in the pool that we rate about the same then getting RFA rights to someone is worth it. But if we drop down and will be getting a guy we like a little bit less than a guy we could have gotten without dropping then yeah, we would need to get guaranteed value back.
On a few levels.
BB not having enough confidence to trust his own scouts over ours.
BM comforting him with a straight face bluff and at the Laughs in general because they suck so much as a franchise.
Now take this with a grain of salt, but both Cowen could easily become a tougher meaner Suter, somewhat of a hybrid between Suter and Weber (more tough than Suter, not quite as offensive and a canon like Weber)
But I do see him taking over Phillips job on the 2nd power play and Cowen has a great instinct on when to jump into the play
If Cowen becomes the big tough dmen we know he will be and then starts chipping in with 10g 20-30a which he is more than capable of, he will be getting into the Suter price range and on the open market we all know what that brings
agian IMO
I can see him on the 2nd PP as well and he does seem to have a heavy shot.
But Phillips doesn't remotely belong the 2nd PP to begin with so "taking his spot" is not really something to put near the top of anyone's resume.
I see Cowen in pretty much the same way you do but I'm not sure his upside is quite as high as you have it - hopefully you're right as I'm sure we can figure a way to pay him if he does end up as Suter/Weber-ish .
Of course its not a reward to take Phillips spot. Since Lee/Gilroy stuggled so much finding consistency on the 2ndpp last year it became Phillips, and Cowen was still very young
He is the ideal choice for the 2nd PP (along with Gonchar perhaps)
He has 5g 12a for 17points this year
With more offensive zone ice time this year, It's reaosnable to think he should get 8-10g and 20a for 28-30pts which would be fantastic
Predicting hsi future? His first contract outside of ELC will probably like you say be a 3mill range perhaps even a 5/20 type deal
Typically when teams want to move up or down a draft they are not inclined to deal prospects
Its always a 2 picks for 1, like we did for puemple last year
If your moving a prospect typically its a 1-1 deal like Rundblad
Much appreciated Hax. There are definitely going to be some down times between now and September but I'll do my best to keep things interesting.
Would love to do another "Duck Hunt" type contest for July/August.
You want Kane you have to give Spezza. This aint NHL 12.
au contraire, I think that Cowen will indeed be a top level d-man making top level $$$.
It is so easy to forget that he was 19, and his first year pro. But for those of us who can remember, Chara was no where near as good as Cowen already is. Chara really struggled in NYI and even his first year here looked awfully slow, and not very mobile.
Whereas Cowen is already showing signs that he can move well for a big man, and I am predicting a very bright future.
I wonder if they'd be interested in trading the 11th to us for the 15th and what they'd want. Having two sequential picks can often be tempting as you're less concerned about one specific player getting picked a few picks before your turn.
Not sure what we'd be wiling to give up and if there's really much incentive, but if a few of the "top 10" D are still around by the 7th or 8th pick I'd be tempted to jump up to 11 to grab one of them.
Hax I think that scenerio really has to do with how much change happens in Washington I could see a tonne or really almost nothing. So many question marks with them this off season.
where is this clip???
In the post. You did read the post, riiiiight miguel?!
From Chirp' post:
and a hilarious clip of Bryan Murray tricking Brian Burke into taking Nazem Kadri instead of Jared Cowen.
lol - did you actually read it?
ohhh eeyyyy yaahhh!!
of course I read the post Chirp, I know I saw the mention of the clip, but thought someone had posted it, forgot it was in your post....
PS I want to secong Hax's comments about keeping the interest level high, great job and interesting reads,Kudos I am sure there will be some quiet times before Sept.
That alone, to me, says enough about how good he is going to be. I don't expect him to put up 50 points as a defenceman, but I do expect him to turn into a great two-way reliable defenceman to build this team around for years to come, which is exactly what he was drafted to be.
But since Burke is such a self-absorbed egomaniac he just focused on the "screw you" in his "I'm taking the guy that (I think, incorrectly) you want".
Murray must have thought "oh shit that's awesome - they're taking the guy we don't want anyway!"
Looks so good on Burkie.
Then leave and go read a book.
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When I think of Ottawa Senators, I think of Alfie. It's going to be a big change.
I like the idea of 15tb overall for Z Michalek
Zbynek Michalek is actually a good defenceman. I wouldn't be opposed to this, GIVEN that the the guy that the Sens wanted was no longer available, reminiscent of the Rundblad trade. The only thing about Z Michalek is that he's turning 30.
Not a bad idea but after the way Pittsburgh couldn't defend a 7 goal lead, I'm not sure trading one of their few good dmen would be wise?
Id imagine they will rather shore that position up then weaken it
under contract for next year:
boyle (6.67, 2 yrs left, UFA)
Burns (5.76, 5 yrs left, UFA)
Vlasic (3.1, 1yr Left, UFA)
Murray (2.5, 1 Yr left, UFA)
Demers (1.25, 1 yr left, RFA)
Braun (RFA)
Gone: Vandemeer, white
Up the pipeline:
Tennyson (1.175, 2yr, RFA)
Nick Petrecki
I don't see SJ being able to resign all 3 of Vlasic, Demers and Murray next year and will have to make a choice, because Boyle and Burns takes up so much space
Vlasic I doubt they move, but once again it is me preaching for Doug Murray
I still think a deal involving greening could get it done
If not then up it to Foligno
I think they would happily rid themselves of Paul Martin's contract if they could. I don't think they would have very many interested trade partners though.
Would TBL give up the 19th and 37th pick for Ottawa's 15th.
I could also see Washington moving back as well if the right deal is there. I wonder what Murray would need to give up aside from the 15th to get the 11th.
Not even close. Spezza is an established star in the league, Kane is a developing one. Spezza is >>> Kane at this point in time. We have plenty of other pieces that could attract them to trade Kane if he's already on the block.
To get Kane I think it would take Michalek and a 1st.
I'd do MM9 and 2013 1st.
That's a great idea Hax! If Ceci fell to 11th , I'd definitely hope BM does this.
I agree it probably wouldn't be enough, but if the media and fans don't lay off of Kane in Winnipeg, he is going to want out. He has four years left before he is a UFA, he may choose to only sign short term because his increasing production will land him more money in the future and because he will have the option to bolt if he is unhappy. Who knows, maybe he becomes disgruntled like Turris and makes ridiculous contract demands just so they trade his rights.
then
boulder boulder on the ground
tell us something real profound
I assume you mean out of curiosity only since whatever Murray was going to offer to swap picks Burke would have jumped at.
Unless it was going to be "I'll flip you the rest of Emery's buyout to swap picks" we can only lose if Burke doesn't interrupt. Good thing he was apparently raised in a barn.
If not, Finn, Maata and Koekkoek are all solid prospects.
Tom Wilson is also quite intriguing.
Chirp you get two minutes for instigating! :)
Enjoy the long weekend everyone!
wow... and you keep coming on here every day... which makes you...?
It is a fantastic take on many of the draft eligible players in this year's draft in a comprehensive ranking. It's an excellent read, and beats the crap out of Craig Button's rankings.
There seem to be a plethora of solid defencemen picks to be had around 15, so we should be able to get a prospect that the club needs.
all i know is that the first koek and the second koek are pronounced differently
Apparently you've been coming here a long time...
Murray was building the defense... it was Cowen all the way..
Glad it worked out the way it did.
Would Murray do a similar trade like he did with Rundblad. Trade the 15th overall for a defenseman drafted last season or the year before that?
Pierre Dorion did say they have a listing of, I think, 16 players... So they feel they will get a good draft pick at 15... But you never know with Murray.
No proof, there was probably the usual "We got the guy we wanted.", statement right after Cowen was picked. That, and because Burke is an idiot.
To me it was how Murray hesitated when Burke asked him if the Sens were taking Kadri? I think he faked out Burke...
Take your pick really. Even if Murray wanted Kadri and "settled" for Cowen - he ended up better off for it.
So either Burke missed a chance to get something out of us in return for letting us pick Cowen or he "stole" a guy from us that ended up being a bust compared to the guy we ultimately took.
The sweet, glorious beauty of it all is there's no scenario where Burke comes out on top. Even if Kadri ends up being the next Crosby and Cowen is a total bust, Burke could have still gotten Kadri AND gotten something from Murray in the process.
I really don't think this was a planned stunt by Murray. I think he was taken aback by Burke showing his hand and bringing up Kadri and just went with it. Kadri, from I found on wikipedia, wasn't even in the top 10 rankings for NA based players that year.
As much as I wish there was something to it I doubt there is...would also be hilarious to see the tune change if(and it a huge if hahaha) Kadri becomes an absolute offensive stud
What would it take to move up to get Murry Zibby
I know that's not a favored move but the price would be high for a top 5 pick
But that's just it. Burke's blunder was tipping his hand. I don't think Murray tricked him into doing so, he just walked up and (in fact) was about to make an offer of some sort. I don't think Murray is sneaky enough to have just been acting like he was going to make an offer. Burke blurted out that he was taking Kadri when there was no reason for him to do so - he had the next pick and held all the cards. He should have heard Murray out.
And even if Kadri had been everything Burke apparently thought he was, Burke still missed the chance to let Murray make his offer. What if Murray was going to say "we'll offer you our 2nd round pick if we can move up and grab Cowen"? Burke could have accepted and still gotten Kadri. And if Murray had offered something with the intent of picking Kadri himself (who was off the board so that's unlikely) then Burke could have said no.
Burke's ego is his biggest weakness. He thinks he has all the answers.
if we do trade down, the guys we should expect to get ludvig bystrom, slater koekkeok or olli maatta.
maatta is a real interesting one in this group, he jumped up to the 1st round out of no where.
he is good sized (6'2 200+lbs) kid, 2way but more defensive. very high IQ. and would be a nice change. a finnish Dman. he made the hop across the pond this past year to play in the OHL for the london knights.
koekkoek is as don cherry would put it "a good canadian boy!" just an extremly hard working tough shutdown Dmain that has a great slapshot and good passing. and is similar size to maatta
bystrom, smaller of the 2. is a 17year old playing in the SEL mens league as a Dman already! he also is just like the other 2 but doesnt have much of the offencive touch, just seems to be a good depth guy.
Well that's true. If the reverse had happened I wouldn't be too upset I guess since best-case scenario Burke lost nothing. But it's much more fun (as a homer) to imagine that Murray was about to make a big offer with the thought of getting Cowen only to have gotten him for "free" thanks to Burke taking Kadri instead.
I agree. I think Murray will do this if reinhart, ceci, bystrom are drafted before us.
I`m prepared to live with red numbers for this one - but this insistence that Murray somehow fleeced Burke as part of a GM masterstroke makes us sound as delusional as the fans from a team that play in blue and white.
Right after that draft the Toronto Media ran with that same clip saying Burke pulled one over on Murray and got the guy we wanted. However, I've always stated since that draft that Murray was always targeting Cowen. Murray has made several comments over the years to back that up including that he was building from the back end out, that Cowen only slipped because of his injury, and that Cowen really should have been drafted in one of the top positions. Cowen was Murray's guy the whole time imo!
The silliest part of the Toronto media spin on that is that Burke was about to pick - there's nothing Murray could have done to get Kadri if he had wanted him (which we'll never know for sure but it seems unlikely). And as I've stated, even if Murray DID want Kadri, Burke did us a favor by "forcing" us to "settle" for Cowen.
LOL
And yeah, anyone who really thinks Murray actually pulled one over on Burke is going way too far. All Murray might have done is think quick on his feet and let Burke believe he was taking "our guy". If Murray had tipped his hand Burke might have said "Hmm, Cowen eh? Yeah maybe we'll take him instead ... unless you want to finish your earlier sentence."
Face it leaf fans: Burke picked the wrong guy and missed a chance to get a little something out of Murray in the process.
You're totally right. He only "fleeced" Burke in the same way you could claim to have "fleeced" someone if they drop a $20 bill and you happen to pick it up. And then you tap them on the shoulder to say "Hey you dro..." and they cut you off and say "I don't want to talk to you". So you just think "Okay whatever jackass" and pocket the 20.
Murray was being a bit too friendly by wanting to just spit out his offer with no BS but Burke was so full of himself that he wanted to see Murray's sad eyes when Burke told him he was picking Murray's guy. It's sweeter of course if we had no intent of picking Kadri and Murray was about to "pay" for Cowen when he didn't have to, but then again if we were about to pick Kadri it's kinda nice that Burke saved us the regret.
Imagine if someone had somehow "swindled" us out of picking Daigle or if someone had "tricked" Muckler into picking Staal instead of Lee.
I also think Kadri will end up being a very good player but he was unfortunate to be picked up by an organisation that has been rudderless for most of his career. I know sens fans complain about the way Filatov/Lee etc were treated but if you want to see how an organisation can truly fuck up a prospect look no further than the leafs and Kadri.
The Leafs aren't exactly developing Luke Schenn properly either. They rush him in... but he was good in the 1st year. But there is so much pressure put on him... he is suffering for that now. Put him anywhere else... where he is 'sheltered' around decent defensemen... he will probably turn into a pretty good D.
Looks like the Marlies could be on their way to the Calder Cup Final. They are in the semi-finals now.. just one game in though... but won that 5-0. Don't know exactly who is on their team other than the ones we see once in a while on the big club... but they seem to be getting it done. Now I hope they don't....
The only small consolation if the Marlies win the Calder is that all the laff fans who shat all over Bingo's Calder win as "no big deal" will have to change their tune.
But yeah, I hope they don't win it since that will actually be a big step forward for a lot of their players and eventually that winning attitude might infect the big club.
I found the Marlies roster... I know some of the names from being with the Leafs... but who the hell are the rest of them? Anyone know?
http://www.marlies.ca/team/
they have a good mix of prospects, career AHLers and they have a couple of signings fuck-ups that have plenty of NHL experience like Finger and Orr.
If they win it will mean for the leafs organisation more or less what the calder win meant for the senators except they don`t have the dedicated fanbase to get all excited for.
It will be funny watching the leaf fans claim how important winning the calder cup is just a year after convincing themselves it means nothing at all.
the fact is the experience our younger players got has been cited by management, players and fans as a significant factor in the performance of those players this year, For us to try and convince people of anything else just because the marlies might win it this year would be stupid.
The major difference is I`m not sure how many of those that might win the cup will be regulars next year. We had Smith, Cowen, Greening, Dauavins and Condra in more or less from the start and O`Brien added at the end of the season.
I doubt that will happen next year for Toronto.
Well said.. and I agree...
But if i had to pick a player, and since i am a pro arm chair gm, Slater Koekkoek would be my choice, everything i've heard about him says he's smart and tough, i would love that on my blue line.
just want to point out that no one knows how strong a draft really is until 3-5years after it has passed. last year looked like one of the weakest draft years in a long time. seeing some of the prospects that came out of that, specifically the top 10 guys and out own late picks such as noesen peumpel. i wouldnt consider that a weak draft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5tWK459ZXo
1. Keokkeok (#$%^#$) plays like Ryan Suter. Why try to sign Suter when we can draft the next Suter.
2. Matt Finn reminds me of Drew Doughty, to a lesser extent
3. O. Maatta reminds me of K. Timonen. Could be paired with Cowen and form our new generation of shut down pairing. His foot speed is great. Definitely a usable asset.
Any of these 3 at 15th makes me a very happy Sens fan. With that being said if Washington calls us and says our 11th for 15th and Bobby Butler and Ceci is still available... then you gotta do what you gotta do.
Hey, it worked out great, but I don't think that was Murrays intention at the time, even though he is a great drafter...
Not sure what the price would be for that.
Suter would be great... but 29 other teams that's not including Nashville will be after him. I assume he would choose a contender -- so that let's out quite a few teams...
Ottawa would certainly be better with him as they have the goaltending for the first time in like forever and they have the forwards. They are overall a young team and on the rise..
Detroit would be the lead team to get him.. but they are getting older with not a lot of really good young prospects to step in.
If there is a buyout in the CBA does Philly buyout Bryzgalov and go for Suter as well?
So if you were Suter... where would you go?
If not Suter... I would visit Winnipeg to try to get Bogosian who is reportedly uphappy there..
Dude it wasn't Murray's turn at the podium. He wasn't interested in trading up to get Kadri (Kadri was "off the board" anyway so how can you say he was BPA???).
Murray was prepared apparently to trade up to get Cowen but then Burke blurted out that he was going off the board to get Kadri so Murray was like "um, sure okay".
i understand that you REALLY keep pushing for bogosian. happy or not, the guy's value keeps increasing year by year. he is a pretty big 6'3 215lbs. his stats are pretty consistantly increasing year to year. he is also just a 21 year old dman that was drafted top3, which likely means he is just starting to break out now.
turris, who was in a similar spot, costed us at the time. our top D prospect and a 2nd rounder.
i think bogosian will cost us a 1st rounder + a pretty good prospect (noesen or peumpel)
i hate the thought of that and in no way do i hope that trade happens unless BM finds a way to keep our prospects and maybe put in a name like foligno or something.
its how trades work, if you want something you really like (esepcailly high end talent), you have to give up something you like just as much.
a way to see if a trade is fair is to look at it from Winnipeg's perspective.
Thanks for the kind words and the plug. I'll pass it on to our other writers.
AND F BOGOSIAN LMAO
i read that line and stopped.. you just called a 3rd overall 21 year old Dman a bust.
not everyone can be like karlsson...
bogosian plays (23:18 TOI/G)he would be playing on the top pair if it wasnt for enstrom(23:50 TOI/G) and byfuglien(24:06).
you do know that a huge majority of Dmen dont breakout until they are 24+ years old.
i apologize for the rant but im in complete shock to see someone call bogosian a bust.
I realize it would cost a lot to get him... but he is apparently unhappy in Winnipeg. That's why I bring it up... But then.. there could be a bidding war for him if he became available. I would give up Foligno + the 15th overall.. but that may not be enough...
gryba is 24 and apparently has stated that if he isnt in the NHL, he doesnt plan to stay in bingo next year. but he has the NHL size and toughness. lacks the hands and speed it seems. if he makes the roster out of camp (doubtful), he better hope to get a call up early. that is if he even stays with bingo that long
wiercioch is 21 so he still has time on his side but he is very far behind physically. he is a 6'4 twig but has apparently recently just bumped up to just under 200lbs. how ever that is still small for 6'4 Dman. he should be at arround 220-240lbs to be at his best. because he is a good skater with decent overall game just lacks the size.
and due to that, borocop has jumped past both of these guys in the rankings and in IMO freddy claesson will jump them too by this season in bingo.
Yeah Kuba has chemistry with Karlsson and he had a good season.. but he is 35 yrs old.
Time to move on. Bring up one of the Bingo D and put them in the lineup. Let Weircoch, Gryba, Borocop fight for that spot.
Try to bring in a more experienced D in free agency to take the spot of Gilroy.
The year the re-build started he was slated to come up on the defense but he got injured.
He should get a good look this year. He is a defensive D that will hit... something we haven't had since Volchy left.
The trouble is a lot of fans don't do well with patience. Remember the poor run in the last 5 games of the regular season. One guy comes on here screaming about how crap we are and if that's how we are going to play in the playoffs we'll get swept and if that's the case then we shouldn't even make the playoffs....
You can see how some of the GMs with less fortitude can fold to that sort of agressive fanbase and play it safe - which is keeping Kuba or Lee.
The point is there are plenty of idiots on here (as there are in every fanbase) and I just hope that Zbad, Silfverberg and the young blueliners get cut some slack if they don't set the world alight next season and if we don't improve or, God forbid, don't make the playoffs we can keep the trade Spezza, fire Murray, fire MacLean morons off the boards most of the season.
Brandon Gormley - can be added for the Coyotes - Bobby Butler ... for me is not even bad ...
ya i forgot that this year you can draft people who were not signed from the 2010 nhl draft (ex; sorenson) Gormley is a guy we should draft in the later rounds but im not sure where he will land as many gm's might not take a chance if phx doesn't re-sign him. Anyone else know some good prospects that were not signed from the 2010 draft?
Personally I think that Nash is the guy to go for (Praise is staying a devil)
Nash can be had Foligno, Bishop, 1st, butler and/or peumpel for Nash and 2nd (31)
Peumpel will most likely be good but we have zibby, silfverberg, stone, neoson etc... To get a proven scorer its worth it in my opinion.
Or something like that... No body has any idea what columbus wants but that seems pretty fair to me if not an over payment...
If Ottawa ever trades Matt Puempel they would be making a very very very big mistake. This kid has the potential to be one of the best scorers in the game and is exactly the type of prospect that the Sens have needed for years. I really don't see them trading him.
Some fans on here are as bad as Leaf Nation.... How do you know that Murray was
prepared to draft Cowen but changed his tune when Burke spoke? Were you at the table?
They said he was injured in the semi-final game. I have not heard what the injury is... and I'm praying it's not a knee.
Has anyone heard anything?
I did not watch the entire game to hear that... That is indeed unnerving. Thanks for the info
It's pretty easy to see. Kadri was a shock pick to just about everyone so the chances that Murray was A) interested in Kadri with the very next pick and B) worried that he'd have to trade up a spot to get him are pretty much zero.
I seriously doubt Murray wanted Kadri but if he did he couldn't have expected the Leafs to be targeting him.
And as has been stated over and over and over: if Murray actualy did want Kadri, Burke did us a HUGE favor by "stealing" him.
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Question: What do you think of the Sens picking at 15th? What type of player could we get?
If you want to keep the Swedish thing going, there is Collberg and Aberg at forward, and Lindholm and Bystrom on D.
... and that's the last word.
Thanks!
Really excited about this year's rookie camp. Too bad the rookie tournament is no longer in Hull. This year's team will be sick !!
See I don't think Murray wanted Kadri. I think his top guys at that point we're Cowen and Magnus Paarjvi who went 10th to Edmonton right after. I love Cowen and I'm glad we picked him but I wouldn't have minded one bit taking MPS. I'm still hoping Murray pulls somekind of deal for MPS like he did for Runblad/Turris.
I'd be OK with trading our 15th overall to Edmonton for Paarjvi. LW that can be inserted right away to play with Spezza and Michalek...WOW super speed wingers.
Alright I'm waking up now.
i love PRV's skill and especially his 2way game and would fit perfect here but if he cant even produce on the highly skilled oilers. why would you expect way more here. he didnt even perform that well in the AHL. I understnad it was just probably a sophmore slump and he will be back, but till that happens, he doesnt deserve that much praise yet.
paajrvi remins me of our own former magnus, arvedson of course . excellent defensivly, but cant seem to be that consistant top 6 scorer.
I'd be OK with trading our 15th overall to Edmonton for Paarjvi. LW that can be inserted right away to play with Spezza and Michalek...WOW super speed wingers.
Alright I'm waking up now.
i love PRV's skill and especially his 2way game and would fit perfect here but if he cant even produce on the highly skilled oilers. why would you expect way more here. he didnt even perform that well in the AHL. I understnad it was just probably a sophmore slump and he will be back, but till that happens, he doesnt deserve that much praise yet.
paajrvi remins me of our own former magnus, arvedson of course . excellent defensivly, but cant seem to be that consistant top 6 scorer.
He had 25 points or so in 30 games or so in the AHL. I wouldn't say didn't produce there but I am more inclined to think that they have mismanaged him (like Phoenix with Turris). He doesn't fit in Edmonton and he was never really given a chance to succeed because of their depth at forward which will now get even deeper with Yakupov (can't beleive they pick 1st again...what a joke) They could sure use that 15th pick for a D man. Arvedson was a solid 2 way guy but MPS has that special speed that freezes defenseman making them back up and giving room to the other forwards.
To me MPS is another Turris type that just needs a chance to play. Oilers put him on third line. Guy is only 21 yrs old. Perfect fit for Ottawa and would be ahead of any kid we draft at 15th.
Hell no. We have no need for another forward. We have blue-chip forward prospects in spades. Stone, Puempel, Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Prince, Neosen, Petersen, the list goes on and on.
We need a defenceman. Amazing how some people still don't see that.
Yes, I agree with you. I actually think we need to convert some of our assets from our deep forward pool (NHL'ers and prospects) into defensive players. We should pick a D player with that pick or even move up by packaging that pick along with another asset to move into the top 8-11 picks. Also, if we can acquire another 1st or an early 2nd rounder we can draft a goalie if either Subban or Vaseleski are still available.
The only point I'd make, is we need a dman now or next year, drafting one this year probably won't be ready for 3-4yrs unless we get really lucky or move up. So trading the pick for an asset we could then trade other assets for a dman.
I don't think it matters. The D cupboard is almost dry and we still need to draft one. If the organization was bent on meeting every immediate positional need, we wouldn't draft any players. That's the point of the draft. This is a rebuild.
I will be shocked if the Sens don't draft a defenceman at the draft this year. It's pretty consensus that it is.
I agree. The focal point of this draft should be to number one, improve the defence, and number two, help the goaltending; you can never have enough good goalie prospects. I think if the Sens stay at 15, we are going to get a solid defenceman anyways because of how unusually rich this year's draft is for blueliners. Whether it's Maata, Reinhart, Keokkeokk, of Finn, we should all get excited.
At some point in the draft I would like to see the Sens draft a goalie, too. Whenever a team has to make tough decisions in net because of how good their goaltending depth is, it's usually a good thing.
There are a core group of prospects that I wouldn't like to see the Sens move however, and stay patient with. Mika, Stone, Neosen, Silfverberg, and Puempel shouldn't be moved imo. All their upsides are too high and we should take out time and cultivate them properly.
You can always evaluate your young forwards and then trade them for NHL ready or near ready D-men from other oganizations. C'mon!
There's no Rush. If you have 4 out of 8 of your forward group thet you judge can't miss you can move the others or just sign free-agent D-men. Last time I checked we should be good against the Cap.
I guess trading your pick is a no-no. I guess we can talk to Turris about that (thank you MR Rundblad).
first of all, we have no need or room for magnus.
2nd, you are comparing a former top 10 pick FORWARD to a future Dman that looks like he will get picked late in the 1st round. how do you compare a Dman and a forward? esepcailly at such a young age.
my brain must be worse than mush if that idea just came to me...
and the turris for rundblad thing made no sense. we didnt trade a pick (ignore the 2nd round pick we threw in there), we traded young talent for young talent.
i know, it's a good point. many 2nd rounders turn out better than the 1st rounders. i didnt know how to word it properly.
while we are on the topic, do you know when exactly the 2nd round pick is? would it be going 15th in the 2nd round?
obviously the later the better for us.
What this team is starved for, is organizational depth on the blueline. With the trade of Rundblad, we now have a hole when it comes to blue-chip D prospects.
Whether it's through the draft, or through trade, I'm strongly convinced that the Sens will come out with a good young defenceman at the end of June.
But c'mon. We do not need anymore forwards. We have so many that there aren't even room enough for them.
perfectly said.
im just trying to think of the top of my head of young (25 and under) Dmen that we could try for. specifically ones that seem possible to trade for.
justin schultz of anaheim (i think they still own him atleast?), i think he will be a UFA. if anyone has more info on him, please share.
as sandy has said on here several times, bogosian (only if at the right price)
z.michalek(still on a 4mill contract for 3 more years), bryan allen(UFA), matt carle(UFA), suter(UFA) are expeienced guys that seem interesting but id assume most if not all return to their team. and since this years market is so thin, i expect guys like matt carle to get payed close to if not north of 5mill.
and some have suggest keith ballard and i know the guy had a horrible season but since vancouver are looking to get rid of him as a salary dump. if they give back a 2nd rounder or something high. they dont have any prospect worth taking (other than kassian and jensen who are forwards in this case)
whats going on with tim erixon? i just know he played the year in rangers AHL team. i dont blame them, they have a pretty deep team.
Thanks to everyone for keeping things moving the past few days.
Would you trade our 15th overall for Magnus Paarjvi ?
I'm hoping we give Borocop and Gyrba the opportunity to platoon as our #6 defenceman. It's time to use Philips to mentor our young guys, and give them a crack in the big league.
Exactly. These guys have paid their dues. We don't NEED to draft a D man with 15th overall. IMO that pick is an asset that can be used to lure a young dynamic player like PRV.
Borocop was an All-Star AHL'er last year on a so-so AHL team and won rookie of the year on the team. He can obviously play 5th or 6th for us next year.
For Gryba, it's now or never. He's 24 (I think). If he doesn't make it this year, he'll never make it.
yeah, the Caps have the 11th (was the Avalanche's) and the 16th. So that could be tempting for sure.
Also, the Lightning have the 10th as well as the 21st (was the Red Wings). We could try for the 10th, they'd probably ask way too much but BM has a good relationship with Yzerman. Or the option of a later pick to 21st (for those who mentioned it) if we gave up 15th. Maybe we could get Lee back, lol.
And lets not forget the Sabres, they have the 12th and also the 23rd from the Preds. So BM has a few options regardless of what direction he wants to go.
As for Columbus, we know the 2nd pick isn't going anywhere, but they also have the 17th from LA. But our positions are so close it wouldn't really do much.