In an interview posted on SensTV, Murray discussed exactly how his plans could change a little bit leading up to the deadline. One quote that caught my attention came when Murray was asked whether or not he would be looking to make a splash before the deadline.
"I think our depth is ok right now but we may need a substantial piece," replied the Sens GM.
When prodded further, it sounded like Murray could be looking to add a goal scoring forward. I certainly don’t expect Murray to overpay and mortgage any of the club’s bright future, but if an impact player became available for the right price, Murray seems willing to pull the trigger.
Something interesting Murray brought up in this interview is the fact that it has to be a move that the players in the locker room believe will make the team better. It sounds like Murray is very cognizant of the great chemistry this group has and will be careful not to rock the boat.
Like any trade discussion and rumours talked about in the last little while, it’s important to note that the club will need some flexibility from the owner before making a move. Also important to acknowledge the fact that a whole lot can change over the next few weeks and the direction the team takes will have a lot to do with where they sit in the Eastern Conference playoff picture a little closer to the deadline.
The next five games away from Scotiabank Place will be a major challenge for this hockey team and will go a long way to deciding where they may end up at season’s end.
In speaking with a couple people over the past few days, I get the sense that if Murray does make a move pre-deadline, it will be for a guy who can play in the team’s top six. Also get the sense the club wouldn’t mind adding some depth to the blueline as well. Don’t be surprised to hear the name of former Senators draft pick, Tim Gleason connected to the Sens at some point.
You can watch the full interview with Bryan Murray here.
Sens are on the ice for their morning skate at 2:30 PM. We’ll have to wait to find out if either of Mark Borowiecki or Andre Petersson make their debut tonight in San Jose. Game day post coming in a little bit.
Didn't Tim Gleason refuse to play here before?
No, he was traded before he ever got a shot. Not sure, but I think he was moved to LA for Smolinski?
I'm sure he didn't refuse to play here - they traded him for Smolinski. Gleason would be a great pick-up for Ottawa. He's a good skater - a tough, rock-solid defenceman.
He knows the city, the captain, great veteran player that can play it that top six role and in my opinion wouldnt cost that much.
Yep, he does seem like an affordable option. I would think a few teams will be interested in him.
Sens would have a scary top 6 after that.
And with a third line of Smith-Foligno-N eil we would be very dangerous in the playoffs.
I say do it if we don't have to include any of our picks from last year!
Not sure if Prospal is an upgrade over our current top 6 or how well he'd fit in from a chemistry perspective. He's a quirky player that finds chemistry with some players but not with others.
I'm really starting to like the idea of adding a guy like Bobby Ryan. He'd be costly but he's young and fits into the rebuild plans. Would likely cost us Zibanejad so that's a toughy but theres something to be said for a proven NHL star that is still developing.
I think we should stand idle unless we're talking a top 3 forward. This is of course if we are still in a similar position in 2 or 3 weeks from now. If we do pick up a talented top 3 I would think Butler-Condra- with a defensmaen and high draft pick would be ideal, I would think Greening,Folign o,Smith etc would be utouchable. I've read a few articles about Chris Neil's worth at the deadline if the Sens start sliding. I hope that does NOT happen, he is a very valuble piece to our team, especially come playoff time when it comes down to forchecking and matching up with Shawn Thorton type guys.
I hate the late starts like tonight! Dont they know i work early!!!
Go Sens Go!!!
Addressed this comment in the last thread.
Prospal would look great with Alfie and Turris, much better option than Condra IMO.
Having said that, I wouldn't mind our 1st round pick being available this year if and only if we are in a relatively high position in the standings and we are getting a young player in return. Wouldn't want to part with a Prince, Noeson or Zibanejad though. Most players I'm willing to part with don't really have much trade value...
#BSens are on the ice for practice at the BCVMA. In a nice surprise, Patrick Wiercioch is out there. #Sens
Great news!
This is the word that gets me, Prospal, Whitney, Smyth don't strike me as such!
Would love to have Gleason back in the fold Very strong very solid D. He could take allot of pressure off of phillips and the other D.
Can we finally put to rest the Smyth talk? This guy traded himself to the oilers! the oil faithfull would have shit fits after all he has done for the city and fanbase. To still be loyal to the club after being traded, something he clearly did not want! Do you really think the Fans or Katz would allow it? He came back to retire an oiler Nuff said!
I think the only way they make a deal for a forward is if an opportunity comes up that they can't refuse, such as Ryan. Ottawa has lots of guys they hope will be top six, but Ryan already is top six, and he's still young...Prospal is not.
Who the hell is Brad Boyce??
Were you folks talking about Brad Boyes? 3 goals for Buffalo in 33 games this year. Am I missing something here...
I think the only way Murray would move the 1st is if the player they got was not a rental. A young bonafide high end player, that could be part of the new core going forward(a la Turris).
Although trading for Ryan would have a high asking price, something I don't necessarily agree with it still fits with the rebuild and would make us a better team for quite sometime.
I see this team like Colorado in 09-10, as far as overachieving what was expected of them. They need to stick with the rebuild and realize that their serious cup run(s) are going to come starting next year and onwards.
The guy definately brings a tough package. Wouldn't expect much offensively out of him, but thats not why anyone would target him. A guy like Gleason is a younger slightly more mobile version of Philips.
Wouldn't be the worst thing to have around though especially if guys like Kuba or Gonchar are banged up by seasons end.
I wonder if MacLean went with those combos to counter the Leafs that night (something he saw..) or if this is an indication of him trying out Butler on that top line with Spez. Despite how they match up at practise, will be interesting to see what Mac does as the game goes on with San Jose, pending how the lines are producing.
We've stuggled against San Jose for sometime now haven't we? Although how much of a bar can your really set for a team you play once I year.
We can afford to give up Noesen or Puempel AND our 2012 1st rounder AND a roster guy for the likes of Bobby Ryan and we would be stupid not too look into this. It wouldn't hurt our "rebuild" one bit. With the play of Greening, Spezza, Michalek, Turris we don't have many forward spots available to kep these kids hungry to make it.
Gleason in Ottawa would be great. Tough as nails and very mobile for his size.
- Zibinajad
- Stone
- 1st 2012
- 2nd 2013
To Ottawa
- Ryan
- Etem
- 2012 2nd
P.s. I have a feeling that if TO goes hard for Ryan, that the whole league will end up laughing at them once we all see the package they send back to the ducks. Don't dissapoint me Burke...I always enjoy a laugh at your expense.
Pretty much 3 players i see that could be worth it
-Semin
-Parise
-Ryan
asking price for Ryan would be high something like 1st rounder zibby and greening (not exactly that but are 1st rounder a good prospect and a roster player)
has for semin and parise
its a risk cause there contract are done this year soo if we trade for them and they decide not too resign with us were in the big hole
Semin would be fairly cheap i heard that captials wanted gonchar plus are 1st rounder for semin and there 1st rounder not colorado pick there pick. Some around there
Has for parise that would be the most risk to paiment i can see cause his will be expensive AND we dont even know if he would resign with ottawa.
im sure for parise would be 1st rounder and a prospect and a player something like this (1st rounder pumpel or noesen condra something like that) not exactly that but around there
that said, I think Ryan would look awesome in a Sens jersey
Just wondering if Murray offered up a 1st and Butler and something else and something else for Rick Nash would any of you do that Nash is still young and could be a core player on the Senators for many years?
Personally I would not want too see Murray give anything up for Nash or anybody just stay the course Murray!
I'd be fine with giving up a 1st if it was in the 20-25 range - i know good players can be found there so the pick would have to be part of a package for an already semi-establishe d NHL player who could help us beyond this season and next. We don't give up our first for a rental.
I agree with spin, the price for Ryan would be at least something like our 1st, noesen/pumpel/s ilfverburg and another significant(ish ) roster player - at the very least Murray will look at that as he should.
Yeah, I too think the Sens should trade their forward with the highest plus/minus and who is an effective penalty killer for a guy whos 11 years older and makes more. I think would look good on a line with FAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAART.
There you go we still have Stone and Zibby - no harm done people.
NO to semin. guy has skills but is really streaky and I've never been a huge fan of him.
Ryan and Parise absolutely though. two guys that can vault us forward in our rebuild because of their development, skill, and young age.
Both would take more than puempel or neosen though. To get Parise or Ryan it would take Zbad and a 1st i'm thinking. Look what it took to get Kyle Turris. Turris has been great for us, but wasn't proven at all in phoenix. Ryan and Parise have proven their worth and would draw more than puempel or noesen I'm thinking.
prabobly comlumbus would only move him if gave 2 fisrt rounders a prospect
even there this can be a under paiment
“Going into the third period (against the Leafs), I knew we were going to win,” GM Bryan Murray said Wednesday. “I shouldn’t say it that way, but I just felt, okay we’re back now. We weren’t very good early, but we'll find a way to win in the third period, and we found a way to win.
“To me that tells the story of what this group is about.”
The debate comes when you start throwing names around and what you need to add to our first to get that player.
Obviously our 1st for a player like Nash or Ryan is a no-brainer and because it's a no-brainer it will never happen. It's much more likely that to get a Nash or a Ryan we would have to give our first, a recent first rnd pick and somebody like Michalek or Foligno.
You also have to look at the cap ramifications for who we want to bring in. Yes we would want somebody who will be here after this season, but do we necessarily want somebody who has a 7 year 7mill contract or something like that.
Would be great but would you take that if your Anaheim? I don't know about you but I wouldn't its far too little.
i didnt say just puempel or noesen
i said for ryan would be like this
Anaheim
1st rounder
Zibby
Greening
Ottawa
Bobby Ryan
I find this fair but not a overpaiment so you can see even more player or pick add to get ryan
has for parise just the fact that his contract done after this year is a risk written all over it
New Jersey
-1st rounder
-Noesen
-condra or butler
Ottawa
-Parise
Think about what it would take from Anaheim to get Karlsson or Cowen out of Ottawa in a trade. That's the sort of thing we would need to offer to get Ryan. Ryan is only 24.
EDIT: I think the proposal of Zibby/Greening and the 1st is getting close.
nope not enought butler and dacosta doesnt have that much value they want a good prospect that for sure
lol
my bad...posted using a playbook and it didn't look as though it actually posted.
Let's all be real with ourselves
Bryan Murray is NOT gonna trade for either Nash or Ryan.
They will cost way to much in terms of prospects
We all know Murray is not willing to do so
The only thing I can see Murray doing is going after Parise and/or Suter in the off season
Our chemistry right now is lights out.... And you heard him say that the players will have a say in the trade as will Big Mac
Murray will go after a rental type that will not cost much ie. Prospal
We have cap space to maneouver in the off season with kuba coming off our books
I see karlsson getting something like 8yr 48mill
This will leave us room to sign a Suter or a Parise or both with the expectance of Alfie coming off the books after next season
Let's be realistic
This is all gold for us right now
This season is a big time bonus for our younger guys getting more experience.
Stay the course!!!
Go Sens Go!
DaCosta
Butler
Pageau+pick
"Ok people, I know this is a sick blog but come on
Let's all be real with ourselves
Bryan Murray is NOT gonna trade for either Nash or Ryan.
They will cost way to much in terms of prospects
We all know Murray is not willing to do so"
???
I wouldn't be so smug - Rundblad is a prospect (that they thought highly of) amd they were willing to give him up. It all depends on who is coming back. If it's youth for youth, Murray has shown that he's willing to deal..
Our job is to find a player (a Name Player) that will stick in Eugene's mind and that will drive him (the big fan part of him) to command his GM into ACTION!
Note: It would be nice if he thinks it's his idea.
So for once let's not be so critical...find someone, make a suggestion.
Completely agree with this, why the hell go after a rental like Prospal when you can get a superstar top 3 in Ryan for 5mil, thats cheap and works in our re-tool!
Im sorry but if you dont think Zibanejad or Da Costa are not worth Ryan, your sniffing some very good cocaine!
1. Boston, thanks to our amazing friends in toronto was sitting on two first rounders, one their own, and one toronto's (which was the higher one).
2. they traded their own first rounder back to toronto for kaberle and sent a secound rounder and joe colborne along the way.
3. other than that, boston grabbed chris kelly off of ottawa.
4. as far as top six goes, boston had guys like krejci, bergeron, marchand, lucic and horton filling duty. no offense, but none of those guys sound like michalek-spezza -ryan. yet they won the cup.
now boston at the deadline was either in the division lead or second to mtl, but they were close. The only difference to me is that they had Thomas and Chara. I think the rest of the team makeup is very similar with the possible exception of Karlsson on the sens this year.
so i'm just comparing, based on the assumption that the sens hold course and make the playoffs, if BOS being eventual cup winners did not need a top six winger at the deadline while also scoring at a clip of 2.98 GPG, then why do the sens scoring at 3 GPG need to trade their picks and grab a top six guy whether its a stud or a rental??
sens need to shore up their D, because Kuba is a 50-50 decision after this season. Gonchar is getting older and with his liabilities cannot be paired with Karlsson 5-on-5. We traded Rundblad, only have Wiercioch and Gryba in the system as anything significant, BoroCop is an unknown at this point. Lee can take over, but we dont know yet, and Phillips is sliding on the chart and is only their for vet. leadership. and then they also need to shore up the Goaltending reserves.
THEREFORE, please, stop talking about Ryan/Nash/Perry . Sens would only shoot themselves in the foor if they trade their pick and more for any of those.
Ott has 5 scorers with 10+ goals. with two of them being 20+
Bos has 7 players with 10 or more goals but none with 20+.
Bos current scoring pace is 3.54 GPG, Ott is at 3.00 GPG. Thats top 10 in the league.
the top point getter in Boston is Seguin with 40 pts.
Lets compare with Ott: Spezza with 48 pts and Karlsson with 44, honorable mention to the captain with 35 in 42 games.
so...i mean with all that talent coming up in Silfverberg and Zibanejad next year, then Noesen, Peumpel to follow, then Turris panning out on the team right now, Spezza already there, Michalek already there. Butler and Da Costa may still pan out. Foligno and Zack Smith seem to be hitting the stride. Greening is decent too.
WHY THE HELL DO WE NEED RYAN NOW WHEN WE WILL HAVE PLAYERS THAT WILL ADD UP TO MORE THAN ATLEAST TWO RYANS IN JUST TWO YEARS???????
I think you're thinking of Paul Mara. He wound up going to New York because he refused to play in Ottawa.
To Ottawa: Bobby Ryan
- Silfverberg is a solid two way forward who is NHL ready, can play all three forward positions & is one of the best players in the world not playing in the NHL.
- if Butler can return to form he can be a sniper in the NHL, he has been getting close lately with plenty of chances & hitting a few posts.
- Ann could use another 1st rd pick likely from 15th to 25th & if they pick a centre (Gaunce)that would be one good line.
Silfverberg - Gaunce - Butler
Dont know what else you want of your team when 4 of those 5 players had 20+ goals and the 5th had 62 pts. Thats a great top 5!!
Also you forgot to mention that Thomas had the best stats EVER in the history of the NHL playoffs. Anderson is no where near that level.
Michalek
Stone
2013 2nd
for
Ryan
MM9 is having his best year and Stone's value is at a all time high.
thats my point. that their top six was more of a socring by committee top six than getting singularly star players like Ryan. Lets face if, out of all those guys, only Horton can be expected to pot 30 goal seasons consistently. lucic and krejci topped out at 62 pts in 79 and 75 games. we already have spezza, alfie and michalek on pace for similar #s. add in turris' pro-rated production along with secondary contributions from guys like foligno, smith, condra and greening PLUS Karlsson because he doubles as a top six forward.
sens need is in the back end, its still not shored up the way it should be. I think the sens have more than enough pieces up front, pieces that are playing right now and doing the job well and pieces that are either in the system or injured and can do the job decently too. and yea another decent goalie would help too.
Bryan Murray is in a gifted position and so are sens fans. It would be absolutely stupid to look at this as an opportunity to gain one star player while giving up the chance to have more STAR PLAYERS. Sens did the splashy trade for Turris, time to buckle up, play it safe, hoard the picks and the prospects and let this magical group do its job. just give them a better backup than auld in net. please and thank you.
Agreed, Ryan isnt a rental, he's signed till 2015-16 at 5.1Mil a year, that is a frigging STEAL!
Im not sure what it would take but we can afford whatever they want, wether its a top prospect (we have many) and a pick (would be between 18-25) we could affors sending it to them.
I'm pretty sure Murray is looking real hard at this, a 24 year old stud who could replace Greening on the top line, no brainer!
there you go, i was missing stone in my assessments. one more to add to the string of upcoming prospects.
sens need to just stand pat and relax and let other teams make the stupid trades. Pick a strong guy in the draft, try to grab one of the top rated prospects this year. its a DEEP DEEP DRAFT.
And landing a guy like Ryan, while still having Alfie, Spezza, Michalek, Karlson, Cowen and Turris could go a long way to convincing someone like Suter to sign in Ottawa as we have the cap space and a legit chance at winning it all.
That is just ridiculous. Are you even paying attention to what you're writing? Basically you're saying "Here Ducks, take our AHL-caliber 2nd line, and in return please give us your amazing young, 4-time 30 goal scorer first line forward. Thank you come again."
Don't throw out names of prospects you don't care about just because you don't want to lose someone of value (and no, Da Costa nor Butler nor Pageau are going to be the centrepiece of any deal for anyone of consequence now or in the forseeable future).
If we want Ryan, it will cost us a 1st, likely a combo of Zibby/Silfverbu rg/Puemple/Noes on/Stone, roster player in the mould of Foligno or Zack Smith, and then maybe one of your B-rated prospects.
You have to keep in mind that if Ryan is available, the Ducks will advertise to create a bidding war. The price will be hella steep. Think man, think.
You fail to acknowledge that out of our top 6 only 3 guys would be hitting 20+ (Michalek, Spezza, Alfie) they had 4 20+ and thats not even adding what Krejci brough to the top line.
Guys like Smith, Foligno, Condra, Greening, usually dont hit 20+, only Smith who plays 3rd line C is on pce for 20+. He is playing out of this world...
Boston was a much better TEAM than we are today, overall and thats why they didnt have to do much.
Long enough to re-sign him to an extension, with the way this team is going, do you really think he wouldnt want to stay if we were a contending team full of young guys???
and therefore it is utter stupidity and folly on the part of the sens organization to even think of such a trade. teams who hoard their picks and especially their best picks win cups. Teams who try to keep getting one star piece after the other don't. And Ottawa should know this better than any other team after letting guys like Hossa and Havlat go away.
As Chirp said, PLENTY can happen in the next 2-3 weeks, once we see what pans out we should have a clearer indication of what if anything we should do roster-wise and how big a move that might be.
If it makes sense in a couple weeks and we can target a fantastic top-6 forward that will be part of our road map for at least two more seasons after this and can help fill in for Alfie's production when he retires? That could be very interesting depending what the deal is... Bobby Ryan is an interesting notion, not only would he be an amazing addition but MAN-O-MAN Burke would be so angry he'd probably be hospitalized.
Short term rentals, blowing futures for someone not in the plan? God forbid Jason Blake or someone *puke* would probably be a poor idea.
Outside of a better backup if Auld is still struggling mightily a couple weeks down the road, we should either stay pat for the most part, or do something big with the future in mind - nothing half assed. We'll see how healthy and how well the team is playing over this next stretch and then see I suppose.
Too bad the game is on so late tonight....
Blue team elimination watch!
GO SENS!
just really risky, if he was an RFA, then it's a no-brainer...bu t the freedom of UFA's and bidding wars make people do funny things
Agreed. Not to mention that although Zibby might turn out to be a great player (which I think he will be and I don't want to trade him) and the 1st round pick may or may not turn out to be something, Bobby Ryan is a proven 30+ goal, NHL player. Both sides would be taking somewhat of a risk.
agreed and I am not denying any of that. but how can you say that guys like Foligno and Smith don't usually hit 20. they may have no hit uptil now, but whats there to say for sure that Foligno and Smith don't hit 20 next year too? and thats just going sideways into backing up the argument to stand pat.
based alone on ottawa's serious depth in the system for forwards, the case to trade for one top 6 guy does not have much traction IMHO. Ottawa needs to rack up on defense and goaltending the same sort of depth it has in forwards. And that will go a long long way to ensure leak-tight winning performances every yr.
look at it this way: what if anderson fizzles next year? what if lehner does not pan out....what if the defense crumbles next year outside of Karlsson and Cowen? up front there is layers of forwards to try, but on the back end, not so much.
Hossa had to join fully stacked teams in order to win it and did not contribute that much in the winning year.
Havlat? what has he done since leaving, apart from getting injured...
Hopefully we can pull out a W tonight. A win would go a long way in building the confidence of the team against one of the best in the west.
To get talent, you gotta give up talent, but what good are prospects if they don't turn out. I am completely fine giving up Pumple, or Noeson, and a high pick if Nash is the return. Nash is a proven all star, who likely needs a fresh change of scenery.
I am also fine if BM stands pat though. The chemistry they have right now should not be tampered with, unless they know they can get a guy who will fit in with the group, a la Turris, and have an immediate impact.
KJ
While I wouldn't want to give that much up for Ryan, I think this is actually in the neighbourhood of what it would cost to get him... You can't get an elite forward for a bunch of pluggers and low picks... Anaheim is trying to rebuild... It wouldn't make sense for them to give up a young elite forward for a bunch of low level prospects that will never be as good as Ryan.
The price and cap hit for Nash will be too high. Columbus would want Zbad, 1st round pick, and one or two of Noesen, Puempel, Lehner or Stone.
If i was Murray and i wasn't planning on selling the form for them. I would Focus my attention on Teemu Selanne as a rental. Yes i know what you guys are going to say ,He is to old. but keep in mind that you could most likely get him very cheep like a prosprct or roster player like a Butler or Geening
And think what he will bring to this team EXP, Heart, Set of wheel,and a pair of soft hands. He would fit quite nicly in the top six I think and look good in a Sens Jersey
What do you think.
"Whats ifs" are exactly that "what ifs" you cant go by that when building a contender...You have to go with what you know.
We know Ryan is a proven 30+ NHL goal scorer.
We know Smith is a pesty 3rd line C with scoring upside.
We know Foligno is a rugged 3rd line winger with scoring upside who can plug in a limited top 6 role.
Zibanejad, we dont know much, good shot, good speed, tough kid.
Puempel, Noesen, Stone, Pageau. All prospects not better than any other prospect.
Da Costa, smallish forward with great hands, limited scoring potential.
Butler we know he can score but is not consistent and lacks the drive.
DaCosta is in the minors but he's going to be a very good 2nd line NHL center
Butler scored about 50 goals in the minors and NHl last year
Pageau is tearing up the Q probably the best player in that league + our 1st pick
If that isn't enough your nuts!
Lets not over value 30 goals a year - he isn't a 50 f-ing goal scorer! Think man think!
Didn't MacArthur score 30 goals last year! I'm ok giving away players But not Zibby-Stone-or Silfverbrg.
Record shows we have lost the last 5 against San Jose, but we have a chance to earn a point in a franchise-recor d 11th consecutive road game tonight. Come on Sens, let's take this one from them!!
proven playoff performer, a big reason the sens lost to the ducks.
I think I was the one that originally stated that a while ago. Nonetheless, this is further evidence that a "budget" is never as fixed as it may seem...
It's not really logical on my part but I really don't want to part with Zibanejad. He seemed genuinely stoked to be drafted by the Sens and his world juniors championship winning goal, while just one goal, is pointing toward an impact player with a flare for the dramatic. Plus the Swedes love him.
Can't help but thinking Anaheim will be asking for Zibanejad and more to part with Ryan. If you were a Ducks fan, wouldn't you?
Maybe you and Andrew can duke it out during recess - to settle, once and for all, who was the first one to state/suggest this...
The rest of us will wait to hear from the winner.
Well, the thing is do we really know what one player is worth? We don't know what Columbus would want. Sure, we can speculate. I mean, remember the fan base here thinking Rundblad and a 2nd was too much for Turris? Its starting to look like a brilliant move for Ottawa in the short term, whereas Rundblad has become a question mark in Pheonix.
Yes, the cap hit for Nash will be high, but there is no point going after a star, if you aren't prepared to pay for it. And thanks to Murray's drafting, we do have the assets and cap space to consider this and still come out with a full cupboard of prospects. Nash is also still young, so would benefit Ottawa for many more years (assuming he remains healthy). I think that would be a good gamble. One of the few players I would gamble on, actually.
KJ
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I can't take it anymore!!!
We are NOT going to trade for Bobby Ryan, Zach Parise or Alex Semin.
End of story.
We are NOT trading for these guys because they will want in return, MZ93, Mark Stone or both PLUS probably a current roster player AND a 1st rounder.
NOOOOO Waaay BM can justify this to EM. I think what Murray meant by making a deal IF the right deal came along would be grabbing a rental/UFA at the end of the year.
Someone like for example, Ales Hemsky, Vinnie Prospal etc.
For the record I like our team the way it is.
Turris was our impact trade for the season.
Please stop this baloney!
Thank you. Finally some extra voice of reason. Someone mentioned Selanne earlier and I think that would be a nice fit. He is experienced and still has the mojo going and he would fit nicely with Alfie.
According to WikiPedia, Gleason "couldn't come to terms with Ottawa" and thus he was traded to LA for Smolinksi.
To get back on topic, I trust our General Manager to make the right choice.
GO! SENS! GO!
Alright, let's go through your logic jacktard:
Let's presume that you're right and DaCosta ends up being a "very good" 2nd line centre in the NHL. His ceiling is more like a servicable 2nd line centre on a lottery team, but whatever. So we have a 2LC in the package.
Butler and his 50 goals between the AHL and NHL last year...here's a fun fact: In Butler's entire professional career (both regular season and postseason), he has played in 145 games and has scored exactly 50 goals. Of those 50 goals, exactly 35 have been scored in the AHL. So Bobby has scored 15 goals at the NHL level and that's over 75 games. So let's not b*llshit and proclaim him as a world-beater just yet, k? So we have at best a 3LW in the package.
Now Pageau. Tearing up the Q. You know who else did that? Mike Hoffman. Same player bud. Where is he? In the minors where he'll likely spend most of his career. So now we have a career minor-leaguer in the package.
And a first.
So we want to trade a "very good" 2LC, a marginal 3LW, a career minor-leager and a first to Anaheim for a young, proven 30 goal scorer.
Yeah, of course they'd go for that...
Child, please.
I still think Perry and Parise are better options than Ryan.
Practice Lines in SJ: Greening-Spezza -Michalek; Condra-Turris-A lfredsson; Foligno-Smith-N eil; Daugavins-Konop ka-Butler.
Listening too Murray makes me wonder if there is a deal out there he believes he can make and it all depends on Eugene's wallet ..
You're right but also sort of wrong (IMO).
Murray would only consider giving up a major piece (any of our first rounders - past or future) as part of any package if he gets a long-term piece in return.
But he'll take a rental if the "price" is a late draft pick or some other spare part, plus whatever salary we have to pick up (assuming Uncle Euge is cool with that part).
We can all speculate what he will or won't do, who or what he's willing to put on the trading block to do it, but at the end of the day, nobody knows for sure.
Everyone has an opinion and everyone has the right to share it, but it erks me to see the people who respond back with direct criticism on any suggestion. A little banter back and forth is ok, that's what makes talking trades fun, but don't bash a fellow fan for being interested in seeing a specific player in the mold. It's all in good fun, let's keep it that way.
I think that move makes the Turris line our top line
We're talking a 30 Goal scorer(ryan) who's played with a great center(Getzlaf) - hell thats 8 more goals than what Foligno scores a year. Hell if they want more than what I proposed I say screw them. Cuz as a SENS fan I believe Zibby-Stone-Sil fverburg will bring me more down the road. I was just interested in this guy to give ALFIE a chance this year. Otherwise very happy to wait and let our guys grow.
This is like some crazy mixture of pacifism, stating the blatantly obvious and sitting squarely on the fence. I can't tell if you're a kindergarten teacher or a bi politician.
This IS all in good fun, so don't be a buzzkill.
Lolz
Petersson and / or Borowiecki, will not be inserted in San Jose game tonite, unless MacLean decides to do so just before puck drop !
Ryan is a proven 50 Goal scorer. You're dreaming to think our prospects will "add up to more than at least two ryans".
Ok ok. I'm off of you Jakester. I'm now into Madjamma. You win. I'll catch you on round 2.Quoting jakester:
I'm with you on keeping our good prospects. My point is that Anaheim wouldn't trade Ryan for a bunch of our B level prospects. That's it that's all.
When has Ryan scored 50 goals? Are you thinking of Perry?
I was. My bad
fml
Damn Ian Mendes, now he's saying that it looks like Anderson afterall. He was the first off the ice.
yes. thanks for correcting yourself. save me a retaliatory post lol.
now can we all kill this stupid trade talk. it ain't happening. Ryan is a 30 goal scorer, we already have two in Spezza and Michalek. Infact, given better circumstances, Spezza and MM9 probably touch 40 goals. After all Spezza did pot 34 some time back.
sens should get selanne at the deadline, the guy is a class act and will definitely show up to each game he laces up for the sens and he will most definitely create quite the connection with Alfie.
I think Bobby Ryan is a really good player, but wayyy overrated. I would not pay the same amount for him as I would for others like Nash, Parise, Perry.
The headline for the Sharks game is Sens try to break lengthy losing streak to sharks.
Yes we haven't beaten them for 8 years, that sounds terrible until you also take into account we have only played them 5 times in that. 5 losses in a row is bad but it is analysing the situation in isolation.
Now that implies we are just bad at the moment. They kinda/sorta mention that we are 9-1-1 in our last 11 games. Good for them.
I am sure if the sens won the cup this season the headline would be.
Sens win first cup since 1920's or sens finally break 80 year cup drought.
Personally I don't think Ryan, Getzlaf or Perry will be moved. Anaheim has no reason to move them. They just need to retool because they have a great core with those 3 forwards, Fowler and Hiller. They also have a very good group of forward prospects.
Also, I'm very willing to bet that Parise and Nash will also NOT be traded.
Keep dreaming guys!
Or maybe "Sens finally win first cup in almost 100 years".
Long Shot Option but i guess if people are talking about parise and nash it doesn't seem so crazy is Kyle Okposo rumored to be available earlier in the season still a young sniper Islanders would most likely be wanting the 1st + which i would do
Chris Stewart - I know he was just traded for but he has not panned out well in St. Louis so far and the blues may not feel like they traded johnsson for nothing now as shattenkurk (sp?) is playing far better then they could imagine. Stewart is also a RFA at the end of the year.
Greening - Spezza - Michalek
Stewart - Turris - Alfresson
Foligno - Smith - Neil
Condra/Daug - Konopka - Butler/Winnie
Kuba - Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Lee/Carkner (Boro depending on he plays)
Looks pretty good going into the playoffs
Sutton and Smyth
Sutton and Hemsky
Sutton and MPS
@ AFM11,
You are dead on, that all these guys aforementioned will not move from their teams. For one, Zach Parise has a 1 year contract at $6 million, and the Devils will give him a long term contract.
There might be a good player, available somewhere, but not of the same quality as the players mentioned above.
I see Anaheim in the same situation as Philadelphia were a few years ago. A good team just having really bad year for a variety of reasons.
They will get a really good pick in the 2012 draft and be challenging again quickly.
The GM was responding to direct questions about his stars and was trying to shake them up.
It may be fun to talk about what it would take to get Ryan but I don't think it's likely.
Smyth is a UFA after this season. He can go to a contender and still re-sign with the Oilers in the off-season...
Right, that's what it is...pettiness, rather than a simple clarification.
You seemed to miss the point about the fluidity of "budgets". I was simply referencing the long back and forth Chirp and I had on that very matter. If it wasn't your first time reading/comment ing, you'd probably recognize that.
But yes, recess and all that...
Is that kind of like calling Karlson "Killer"?
Just curious, maybe he has a mean streak or something.
The issue is.. the Sens have no 2nd round pick this next draft.. and if they trade their 1st -- they would have no pick until the 3rd round. Not an ideal situation for a re-building team.
As for Semin... no thanks. He is a UFA at season's end.. and if the Sens give up a 1st & Gonchar for him and he walks away... that would be a disaster. He is not the missing piece to a good playoff run.
What about Brassard? Are the Blue Jackets still dangling him?
1. Why would you trade 9MM (with other pieces) for another top 6 forward? Then you're no further ahead.
2. Parise and Ryan are not the same commodity. By this I mean that to get Ryan, you'd need to give up a lot, because he's signed for another 3 years at a good price. Parise is a UFA this summer. to get him, you'd have to give up something along the lines of what the flyers paid to get Brisgalov out of Phoenix, or maybe a bit more. I'm not comparing the actual skill of the players, but rather, their perceived worth to the acquiring organization. Parise would be way cheaper, but of course, the risk would be higher as there is no guarantee he would sign. The idea would be that you let him play with Spezza and 9MM for the rest of the season, and try to sell him on the city and organizational culture.
3. When putting mock trades together, it's not enough to think of the players you want to get rid of, or even the players you think are of equivalent quality. You need to consider what the other team's organizational need is. This is what scares me about a trade with NJ, as they'd likely want Lehner, which is absolutely a show stopper from the Sens perspective.
4. Why wouldn't you trade this year's 1st rounder. If it was going to be top 10, that player might be ready next year, or the year after. But even that's a bit of a stretch. I think we can probably all agree that we're not a legitimate contender yet. But neither are we a terrible team. So we need to make the most of this season ,and take it for what it is. Use it to give play-off experience to our young prospects, and use it as an opportunity to trade away depth players who are having career years. You absolutely don't acquire rentals, just for the sake of renting them. If you get Parise, for example, you're not trading for his help this year. YOu're strictly trading for negotiating rights. Getting a 35+ flash in the pan is absolutely out of the question.
Derek Grant gave him the nickname. I believe is was in fun. But he will drop the gloves from time to time.
Personally I would never want Murray to do that...
to clarify - that's getting close to what i think it would TAKE to get Ryan.
it was more the point that we are still prone to thinking that we can package together cast-offs and bits and pieces to get something great back.
when we look at trading for a significant piece we should think about what we would need to get back to give up a comparable player from the sens roster
when thinking about Ryan ask what it would take for us to give up Cowen - when thinking about Getzlaf or Perry, what would need to get back to let Karlsson go
Agreed... I don't think he moves any of the big 3 either... They were the best line in hockey last season -- the team had a bad start and won't make the playoffs.. but they are playing a lot better now.
It had better be Anderson tonight.. the thought of Auld will give me nightmares.
I think it would be best for Murray to look at defensemen rather than forwards. The Sens D still has it's issues...
2005–06 NHL season, Cans - Oil, Cans win the cup.
Canes acquire Mark Recchi (16 points, 25 games) from Pens for Niklas Nordgren, Krystofer Kolanos, and a 2007 2nd (D Kevin Marshall). Oil acquire F Sergei Samsonov (15 points, 24 games) from Boston for Marty Reasoner, Yan Stastny, and 2006 2nd (F Milan Lucic).
2006–07 NHL season, Ducks - Sens, Ducks win the cup, no transactions made by either club.
2007–08 NHL season, Wings - Pens, Wings wins the cup.
Wings acquire Brad Stuart (7 points, 21 games) from LA for a 2008 2nd, and 2009 4th. Pens acquire Marian Hossa (26 points, 20 games), Pascal Dupuis (7 points, 20 games) from Atlanta for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito, and 2008 1st (Daultan Leveille).
2008–09 NHL season, Penguins - Wings, Pens win the cup.
Pens acquire Bill Guerin (15 points, 24 games) from the Islanders for a conditional 2009.
Detroit makes no deadline transactions (Hossa signed in offseason)
2009–10 NHL season, Hawks - Flyers, Hawks win the Cup, no transactions made by either club.
2010-11 NHL season, Bruins - Canucks, Bruins win the cup.
Bruins acquire G Anton Khudobin from the Wild for D Jeff Penner and the rights to F Mikko Lehtonen. No playoff help here. Canucks acquire Maxim Lapierre (5 points, 25 games) and MacGregor Sharp from the Ducks for Joel Perrault and a 2012 3rd. Canucks acquire Christopher Higgins (8 points, 25 games) from the Panthers for Evan Oberg and a 2011 3rd.
You forgot Caberle and Kelly. Ddi they not also get Peverley that year? Seems to me the B's made a number of deals.
you missed Boston acquiring Chris Kelly from Ottawa.
yeah, I knew wikipedia was missing details, Kaberle to the Bruins for Colborne, a 2011 1st and a conditional in 2012. Peverley and Boris Valabik to Bruins for Wheeler and Stuart. Kelly to the Bruins for a second-round draft pick in 2011. Fair to say that these pickups were a BIG reason Boston won the cup.
And kaberle
Why wouldnt you, Greening is nothing more than a plug, our 1st will be between 18-25th, wich we know wont be rdy for anothe couple years to which we have plenty of prospects coming, its expendable.
And for Zibby, he's a bonafide top prospect, especially after having the WJC that he did. But with next to nothing NHL experience.
I dont think that would even be enough for a young consistent 30+ goal scorer.
we may have the addition pieces in house and enough season left to prime them for playoffs.
Lehner our back up
Sorry I called you a TURD
All I'm saying is that 22 teams wanted to sign DaCosta out of College - he's an amazing stick handler and i'm sure teams scouting Bingo have different thoughts about him then you do. Add Butler to him who's scored 15 goals in th NHl in what 50 games max when playing(for the most part this year on the 4th line). Last year playing with Spez scored 11 goals in 30-some games. He can skate and has a great shot - prob a 25 goal scorer on a good line with decent minutes. + a prospect and a pic. That is a good return. You don't have to divest yourself of your drafted guys. These college pickups are just that pawns to sweeten pots with. Anaheim get two guys who can play right away and grow with that team and a good prospect + a 1st pick. 30 goals a year I wouldn't offer more than that - does he hustle 200 ft back and forth - not sure will have to do my homework on Ryan. But like you the price might become ridiculous and a pass on him might be a smarter option.
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