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Monday, 19 December 2011 12:19

Turris Practices, Spezza NHL's First Star

The Ottawa Senators were on the ice for practice this morning ahead of tomorrow night’s game against the Buffalo Sabres.

That divisional match up now takes on some extra significance as the recently acquired Kyle Turris is expected to make his Ottawa Senators debut. Turris was one of the first players on the ice at practice this morning.

As I’ve mentioned this is a deal that Paul MacLean played a part in so you would expect that Turris is going to get a shot to make an impact right away. Based on the way the Sens lined up at practice this morning, it looks like Turris will centre the second line with Foligno and Condra and will also seem time on the second power play unit. Bobby Butler was the 13th forward at practice.

Greening-Spezza-Alfredsson
Foligno-Turris-Condra
Smith-Regin-Neil
Daugavins-Konopka-Winchester

Based on today's practice, it sounds like both Sergei Gonchar and Filip Kuba are going to return to the line up tomorrow night. The power play has looked out of sorts the last few games and will certainly improve with the return of two veteran defenceman. Brian Lee will likely be the odd man out.

Cowen-Karlsson
Kuba-Gonchar
Phillips-Carkner

While all the focus has shifted to Turris the last couple days, how about the recent run by Jason Spezza.

His 3 goal, 5 assist week earned him first star of the week honours. Spezza has racked up 36 points this season and is just three back of the lead in the NHL scoring race.  Spezza has taken his game to another level the last few games and will look to extend his five game point scoring streak against Buffalo tomorrow night.

  • Something interesting that came up in the comment section yesterday is the fact that Kyle Turris is now the youngest forward on the Senators roster. There seemed to be an assumption that because Bryan Murray was trading a prospect he was “straying” from the rebuild. Definitely not the case. Turris is a young forward and at 22 years of age, he fits in well with the other young players in this organization.  He will wear #7 in his Sens debut tomorrow night.
  • Mentioned this on the site this morning but there has been another twist in the drama around Nikita Filatov. Filatov's agent has asked the CSKA team to work out a trade if they can't get the paperwork on a new contract by midnight. If they do not either sign or trade Filatov, Filatov's agent indicated that he plans to return to Ottawa.
  • If there’s one certainty around the weekend deal, it’s the fact that people love talking about it! The comment section on this site has blown up over the past 48 hours with nearly 500 comments since the trade broke on Saturday. Thanks to all of you that have taken the time to contribute!
  • Still no update on the status of Milan Michalek.  He was not on the ice at practice today. I've been told on a couple of occasions that the concussion is not considered serious.
  • Keep voting! Daniel Alfredsson is still in the top three for NHL All Star Game voting but we can't let up now. Vote as often as possible! Head here to cast your ballot.
     
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+6 #1 KJ-Sens 2011-12-19 12:26
Kid must want to impress. being one of the 1st on the practice sheet means he is definitely excited.

KJ
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+9 #2 SensChirp 2011-12-19 12:27
Quoting KJ-Sens:
Kid must want to impress. being one of the 1st on the practice sheet means he is definitely excited.

KJ

Has to be such a relief for him to finally get the fresh start. I really expect a motivate hockey player right out of the blocks.
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+11 #3 Johne 2011-12-19 12:28
Can't wait to see Turris, the thought of this team with another young top 6 talented forward makes me giddy. Already told the GF that I have a date night with the Sens on Tuesday and will not be disturbed.

Go SENS Go!
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0 #4 Tcharger 2011-12-19 12:33
AWESOME

Lee gets the shaft again.
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+7 #5 Johne 2011-12-19 12:34
Quoting Tcharger:
AWESOME

Lee gets the shaft again.


He hasn't earned a spot over Kuba or Gonchar this season imo.
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+5 #6 SensChirp 2011-12-19 12:34
According to Bruce Garrioch, Sergei Gonchar has confirmed he will play tomorrow. Still waiting on confirmation from Kuba.
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+14 #7 DenisVial 2011-12-19 12:35
Quoting Johne:
Can't wait to see Turris, the thought of this team with another young top 6 talented forward makes me giddy. Already told the GF that I have a date night with the Sens on Tuesday and will not be disturbed.

Go SENS Go!


Make sure your girlfriend is aware of your beer and Buffalo wing requirements well in advance. If she doesn't like her role, put her on waivers.
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+7 #8 Cy Denneny 2011-12-19 12:38
Now that I am over the initial shock of the trade(and overpaying imo), it will be nice to see what a supposed bonafide 2nd line center looks like. We have not had one in a long, long time. Go Kyle Go.

Fialtov must be kicking himself that he jumped to the KHL when he did – might have been him on Kyles right side instead of Condra. His passing skills to Kyles quick release wrist shot seems like a natural combination.
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0 #9 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-19 12:41
Lee deserves to be playing, but so do our other six defensemen. I'm hoping we can move Kuba soon but I don't see that happening.
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+4 #10 Cy Denneny 2011-12-19 12:42
And before everyone jumps all over me about Fisher, he was a 2nd/3rd line C at best. Turris is apparently a 1st/2nd line C - Here is hoping anyways.
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+4 #11 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-19 12:44
Quoting SensChirp:
According to Bruce Garrioch, Sergei Gonchar has confirmed he will play tomorrow. Still waiting on confirmation from Kuba.


The return of Gonchar should give a much needed boost to our struggling powerplay.
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+9 #12 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-19 12:51
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but with the return of Gonchar and Kuba in the line-up, and the addition of a goal-scoring center like Turris, this team could potentially make the playoffs.

Gonchar and Kuba were both having solid bounce-back seasons before they got injured. Spezza's playing like one of the best players in the world, Alfie's looking like his old self in the past ten games, Michalek is on pace for nearly 50 goals this year, Foligno is having a career year and Smith has really come into his own as our third line center.

Of course we could also crash and burn in the second half of the season, but the next few months are going to be really exciting to follow. Anything can happen, especially if Turris becomes the player he was expected to be.
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-1 #13 Mat 2011-12-19 12:58
I like the Turris line with Condra and Foligno. This will be a hard working line, and will be defensively responsible during the adaptation period.

I'd be careful in calling Turris a 2nd line C yet. He's a 2nd line prospect and there's a difference. As far as most of us are concerned, he hasn't proven nothing yet.

Lee being bumped off is definitely undeserving, but that's the good thing about defensive depth. Injuries are bound to happen until the end of the year so its good to know he's there to fill in.

Very excited to watch the kid tomorrow...

go Sens!
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+6 #14 SensChirp 2011-12-19 13:03
Michalek is improving but still no firm timelines. Rode the bike and may skate tomorrow.

Filip Kuba will also return for the Sens tomorrow.
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+1 #15 NikoTn 2011-12-19 13:05
Quoting SensChirp:
Michalek is improving but still no firm timelines. Rode the bike and may skate tomorrow.

Filip Kuba will also return for the Sens tomorrow.


Good news,
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+5 #16 onthebeachblogger 2011-12-19 13:09
Gotta say I didn't like the trade when I first heard about it but the enthusiasm from our coach and GM has rubbed off on me. I'm sensing a real postive buzz about this team right now and I think we're going to have a 3-0 week.
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-9 #17 Tookie 2011-12-19 13:11
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting KJ-Sens:
Kid must want to impress. being one of the 1st on the practice sheet means he is definitely excited.

KJ

Has to be such a relief for him to finally get the fresh start. I really expect a motivate hockey player right out of the blocks.


Thats what you said for Filatov...

I havent chirped on this trade yet but it has failure written all over it, these last 2 moves by Sens management are mind boggling, taking unescessary risks...
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0 #18 Alcatraz 2011-12-19 13:12
What I don't get from Sens Fans is how everyone thinks Rundblad was worth more than Turris

What has Rundblad done? Won dman of the year in SEL? Ok but that hasn't translated to anything as of yet. St. Louis deemed him moveable to us initially as well. Turris like Rundblad has a solid resume through the minor ranks, and is coming into his own as an NHLer

We overhype our own prospects so much. Rundblad was great but the fact Murray had to "sweeten" the pot with a 2nd shows the quality of offers from others teams if Rundblad straight up wasn't enough
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0 #19 Sensnation 2011-12-19 13:14
The biggest piece for success or failure the rest of this season now becomes Anderson. If his best is yet to come this is a definite playoff team, but if he continues to play inconsistently as he has it will be a tough battle. Long term though this team is a lot stronger now then it was on Friday.
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-8 #20 Tookie 2011-12-19 13:14
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
and the addition of a goal-scoring center like Turris, this team could potentially make the playoffs.


19 goals in 131 NHL games....

Where exactly do you see a goal scoring centre?
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+3 #21 Sensnation 2011-12-19 13:16
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
and the addition of a goal-scoring center like Turris, this team could potentially make the playoffs.


19 goals in 131 NHL games....

Where exactly do you see a goal scoring centre?


Have you ever watched him play? He's a total sniper! Don't get caught up in stats made from 10mins of ice time there Tookie.
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+7 #22 Nookie19 2011-12-19 13:17
Tookie -- you truly are an idiot.
You have proven you really know nothing about hockey. BM knows way more than you - and it shows.

We are going to be a real competitive team down the stretch and everyone knows the two moves you were talking about - are really small risks.

I talked to a couple guys who were shocked that was all Phoenix got for Turris.


Why do you even post here? Probably because you like the attention, and gettting reactions like mine :(
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+4 #23 Alcatraz 2011-12-19 13:18
Quoting Tookie19:


Thats what you said for Filatov...

I havent chirped on this trade yet but it has failure written all over it, these last 2 moves by Sens management are mind boggling, taking unescessary risks...


But what has Rundblad ever done to be considered a better "risk" than Turris???
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-5 #24 Tookie 2011-12-19 13:19
Quoting Alcatraz:
What I don't get from Sens Fans is how everyone thinks Rundblad was worth more than Turris

What has Rundblad done?


I could ask you the same? what has Turris done, nothing, he's a bust and is part of the holdout club. He hasnt shown anything in Pheonix to warrant a top notch prospect like Rundblad, I'm gonna say it now, in 5 years from now, Rundblad will be a top offensive D while Turris will probably be holding out again, and living up to his bust status.
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+2 #25 Smash_88 2011-12-19 13:19
Quoting Nookie19:
Tookie -- you truly are an idiot.
You have proven you really know nothing about hockey. BM knows way more than you - and it shows.

We are going to be a real competitive team down the stretch and everyone knows the two moves you were talking about - are really small risks.

I talked to a couple guys who were shocked that was all Phoenix got for Turris.


Why do you even post here? Probably because you like the attention, and gettting reactions like mine :(


Really? That's the first I hear of that...
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+3 #26 Johne 2011-12-19 13:20
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Tookie19:


Thats what you said for Filatov...

I havent chirped on this trade yet but it has failure written all over it, these last 2 moves by Sens management are mind boggling, taking unescessary risks...


But what has Rundblad ever done to be considered a better "risk" than Turris???


it's all about organizational depth. we needed top 6 forwards, we have surplus nhl dmen and a solidified top pairing.
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+1 #27 Alcatraz 2011-12-19 13:21
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Alcatraz:
What I don't get from Sens Fans is how everyone thinks Rundblad was worth more than Turris

What has Rundblad done?


I could ask you the same? what has Turris done, nothing, he's a bust and is part of the holdout club. He hasnt shown anything in Pheonix to warrant a top notch prospect like Rundblad, I'm gonna say it now, in 5 years from now, Rundblad will be a top offensive D while Turris will probably be holding out again, and living up to his bust status.


How can he be considered a bust? he has played 2 years in the NHL, 1.5 in terms of GP. Calling him a bust is pretty uneducated. He scored 11 goals in 65games. Its not like he has been a no show. then he scored 3pts in 4gp in playoffs last year

He held out cause he hated the franchise
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-2 #28 TyrantRoarrrrr 2011-12-19 13:21
Lee is better than Carkner. The kid should be playing. Five years from now Carkner won't be a part of the time. Lee could potentially be a valuable top four shut-down defender if he continues his development.
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-5 #29 Tookie 2011-12-19 13:26
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Tookie19:


Thats what you said for Filatov...

I havent chirped on this trade yet but it has failure written all over it, these last 2 moves by Sens management are mind boggling, taking unescessary risks...


But what has Rundblad ever done to be considered a better "risk" than Turris???



Well for 1 he destroyed the 2nd best league in the world as a Defenceman, scoring more goals in that year than Turris combined goals of 19.

2. He was on pace for 4-5 goals this year as a rookie D, where Turris had 8.

Turris has 0pts in 6 games this year, so much for being a sniper...LOL.
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+1 #30 Smash_88 2011-12-19 13:26
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Alcatraz:
What I don't get from Sens Fans is how everyone thinks Rundblad was worth more than Turris

What has Rundblad done?


I could ask you the same? what has Turris done, nothing, he's a bust and is part of the holdout club. He hasnt shown anything in Pheonix to warrant a top notch prospect like Rundblad, I'm gonna say it now, in 5 years from now, Rundblad will be a top offensive D while Turris will probably be holding out again, and living up to his bust status.


I think that's a bit harsh... I'm not exactly thrilled with the trade, but it's nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be... This could for sure be a trade that both teams win...
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+3 #31 Patrick 2.0 2011-12-19 13:28
I gasped when I first saw the trade, I had really fallen for Rundblad...grea t prospect!

I didn't like it because even though a bunch of people said "our D prospect are expandable, I kept thinking "what's going to happen in a couple of years when we don't have Kuba,Gonchar,Ph ilips? Rundblad will be missed then in my opinion)

I wanted an explanation, Murray gave us one that I can live with (the whole "we couldn't use Rundblad for a few years, but can use Turris right away).

So I now anxiously wait to see our new acquisition in action. Welcome aboard Turris, I'm anxiously waiting to see what you bring to our beloved team. All the best to you Rundblad, Your tape-to-tape cross-rink pass to Greening will be forever embedded in my memory.
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-4 #32 Tookie 2011-12-19 13:29
Quoting Alcatraz:

He held out cause he hated the franchise


So this doesnt bother you at all? Atleast Heatley scored back to back 50 goals then gave us the shaft but Turris might just give us the shaft and nothing else.
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+4 #33 Alcatraz 2011-12-19 13:29
@tookie

So Rundblad dominated SEL

Turris won Gold at the World Juniors and led his team in scoring over Giroux, Stamkos and Doughty

Rundblad has one great year in junior

Turris scored
BCHL: 121pts in 53gp
NCAA: 35pts in 36gp
AHL: 63pts in 76gp

Rundblad is one year younger than Turris and is RFA year end

Rundblad has played on PP with Spezza-Michalek-Alfie
Turris plays with Yandle-Whitney-doan-langkow?

Come on man, no one has done anything major yet and both only have great resumes OUTSIDE of the NHL
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-2 #34 Sensnation 2011-12-19 13:30
Quoting TyrantRoarrrrr:
Lee is better than Carkner. The kid should be playing. Five years from now Carkner won't be a part of the time. Lee could potentially be a valuable top four shut-down defender if he continues his development.


They're both spare parts in the end though. That's like Konopka vs Winchester. Nice to have, but nothing special.
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+1 #35 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-19 13:32
It's not about what he is Tookie, it's about what he could be. We're all quick to judge Turris for being a selfish player who's bound to be a bust, but anyone who knows about the situation in Phoenix has said that this is a great deal for Ottawa.

They've said Turris wasn't handled properly in Phoenix and that he's an extremely talented hardworking guy, and that he doesn't have any kind of attitude problem what so ever.

Hearing the comments made by Darren Pang and Pierre Mcguire, I have a really positive outlook on this deal. It will take a little while for Turris to get up to speed, but when he does I really believe he's going to be a very good player.
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+8 #36 Sensnation 2011-12-19 13:32
Can we please ignore Tookie, he's mad that not only the Sens are outperforming his predictions, Cowen has turned into the D man he said he could never be, and this trade gives the Sens a real shot of not only making the playoffs in the future, but as early as this year as well. There is nothing he is going to say today that will be productive or add to the discussion, don't fall for the trap!
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-1 #37 Tookie 2011-12-19 13:35
Quoting Alcatraz:


Turris scored
BCHL: 121pts in 53gp
NCAA: 35pts in 36gp
AHL: 63pts in 76gp

Rundblad is one year younger than Turris and is RFA year end


Thats great, what you point out is Turris is good vs other kids his level. Rundblad played vs Men and was the better.

There is no comparisons to be made now just that Rundblad has played vs men before and has had better success. Turris has held out after only 2 seasons where he scored a combined 45pts....come on man...
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-7 #38 Tookie 2011-12-19 13:39
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:

They've said Turris wasn't handled properly in Phoenix and that he's an extremely talented hardworking guy, and that he doesn't have any kind of attitude problem what so ever.

Hearing the comments made by Darren Pang and Pierre Mcguire, I have a really positive outlook on this deal. It will take a little while for Turris to get up to speed, but when he does I really believe he's going to be a very good player.


If that is true he wouldnt have held out, I mean do you see Yandle, Doan, Whitney, Vrbata holding out?

And Pierre McGuire's words mean absolutely nothing, guy is a joke.

Just watch the games, people will blame it on new team, new players bla bla bla, but like my prediction is holding up (currently 10th) he wont do much now, or do much during his time here in Ottawa.
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+4 #39 Alcatraz 2011-12-19 13:39
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Alcatraz:


Turris scored
BCHL: 121pts in 53gp
NCAA: 35pts in 36gp
AHL: 63pts in 76gp

Rundblad is one year younger than Turris and is RFA year end


Thats great, what you point out is Turris is good vs other kids his level. Rundblad played vs Men and was the better.

There is no comparisons to be made now just that Rundblad has played vs men before and has had better success. Turris has held out after only 2 seasons where he scored a combined 45pts....come on man...


So by your theory Rundblad playing aginst men before shouldnt have a transition period in the NHL?

Your theory, who won that same award before Rundblad? magnus Johansson who played a grand total of 45 games in NHl scoring 14 pts before returning home cause he couldn't make it stick with Chi/Flo

other winners? magnus ragnarrson and Mikko Luomo! Sureshot studs!
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+2 #40 GoBig=O=Go 2011-12-19 13:39
@ Tookie19

Can someone shut this guy up already ... Man are your comments depressive. And yet you judge other fans' loyalty towards this team. Give this kid a chance before you run him under the bus. You always seem to find the negatives out of every situation. Yeah our 2nd pick got robbed, but what the hell. Cry a river, build a bridge and climb over it. Turris is here now and Rundblad is gone. If you don't have confidence in your coach, gm and especially your players, you're the one who should be shipped to the desert.

Sorry for that ladies and gentleman... had to get the bad outta me.

Thx, bye !
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+2 #41 spezzerman 2011-12-19 13:42
Turris has a lot to prove no question. This was a very high risk trade that will likely find OTtawa admiring Rundblad from afar in a few years along with the rest of the league.
But - Turris is definitely not a flat out bust (yet). last year he led the Coyotes in points per 60 minutes played. It's looking like he will likely get at least 15 minutes a game playing as 2LC. that is likely about 7-10 more shifts per game than he was getting in Pheonix under Tippet. he should be able to produce at a better rate with more ice time. And when Michalek comes back, he will likely have ALfie as a linemate. FOr all the speculation, there is also a very real chance Turris is going to surprise a lot of naysayers. I'd say there is a better chance he will succeed vs fail considering he is only 22 and has yet to play somewhere he is comfortable and in a system that suits his game.
it's easy to look at his numbers and question him but I dont think his numbers tell the whole story.
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+1 #42 ChrisT. 2011-12-19 13:42
Turris will help insulate our forward prospects. It creates more internal competition among the forward group and will allow us to properly develop the prospects that need extra time. It also opens the door for guys like Da Costa, Z-bad as well as Turris to fill out the top 6 as wingers, should one emerge as the outright favorite as a 2C.

Am I happy about losing the best defensive prospect in the NHL right now? No. Runblad has the potential to be great. But so does Turris. We have a strong pool of defensive prospects and a heavy defensive draft this off season.

It was a bold trade by Murray. One of his biggest criticisms was playing it too safe in trades. His last bold move - going off the board and selecting Karlsson higher than the draft rankings had him. We're not complaining about that.
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+1 #43 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-19 13:46
"If that is true he wouldnt have held out, I mean do you see Yandle, Doan, Whitney, Vrbata holding out?" - Ridiculous comment hahaha these guys have nothing to do with the situation with Turris. You know absolutely nothing about what went on in the situation there, but those that do know, have said that it was a bad situation from the get-go.

"And Pierre McGuire's words mean absolutely nothing, guy is a joke." - Love him or hate him, Pierre Mcguire is one of the most respected and connected guys in the business. You calling him a joke is hilarious. If PM is a joke, then what does that make you?
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+3 #44 dorkeiwicz 2011-12-19 13:46
Quoting Tookie19:


If that is true he wouldnt have held out, I mean do you see Yandle, Doan, Whitney, Vrbata holding out?

And Pierre McGuire's words mean absolutely nothing, guy is a joke.

Just watch the games, people will blame it on new team, new players bla bla bla, but like my prediction is holding up (currently 10th) he wont do much now, or do much during his time here in Ottawa.


EEEEEEEYORE !
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+6 #45 Johne 2011-12-19 13:46
I'd be crying about this trade if we didn't already have Karlsson. Rundblad is great and all but Karlsson is better. That should be the comparison, not vs Turris. Surplus!
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-8 #46 Tookie 2011-12-19 13:50
Quoting Alcatraz:


other winners? magnus ragnarrson and Mikko Luomo! Sureshot studs!


I dont care about those other guys, does it even matter, no.

I dont even care that we traded Rundblad, he was a project, a very good one. I'm upset we got turris, is all and on a blog where people post they're opinions, I post mine, like em or not.

People who dont like serious or realistic opinions about hockey, go post on the Sesame Street blog, your soft skins would be welcomed there.
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+1 #47 ChrisT. 2011-12-19 13:50
Pierre McGuire knows more about almost every top - mid level prospect out there than almost anyone in the game. His entire hockey persona and reputation is based around being a scout and getting to know young hockey players and seeing where they are going.

The reason why he is an insider on TSN, why he does all the world Jr. coverage for TSN, why he covers every draft for TSN and why he is ANYONE in relation to hockey, is completely based off the fact that HE. KNOWS. PROSPECTS.

The guy has an awful TV persona, but the man knows the game inside and out. He knows it better than anyone on this website. Hell, he probably knows more about half the prospects than all of the Leafs scouts combined.
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+2 #48 Johne 2011-12-19 13:51
I don't know why armchair scouts/gms think they're better than professional scouts/gms/coac hes. Don't you think Murray's entire staff did their homework before doing this deal? If Turris is a stiff than MacLean wouldn't want him. I think that Rundblad is and will be great and so will Turris.
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+3 #49 CaMo 2011-12-19 13:54
Love how he downgraded the # to 7. A Much more modest #. He can go back to 91 after he scores 20 goals this season.
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+2 #50 ImNotJoJo 2011-12-19 13:58
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
and the addition of a goal-scoring center like Turris, this team could potentially make the playoffs.


19 goals in 131 NHL games....

Where exactly do you see a goal scoring centre?

Tookie, how do you expect a 20-22 year old feeding the plugs on Phoenix's 3rd and 4th lines to have amazing stats? They never gave the guy a chance.
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+1 #51 Alcatraz 2011-12-19 13:59
Quoting CaMo:
Love how he downgraded the # to 7. A Much more modest #. He can go back to 91 after he scores 20 goals this season.


Thats just foolish lol

I guess Zib shouldn't wear 93 cause he never scored a goal in the NHL

man kids wear the number of their birth year its a trend. Turris wore 91 cause of his birth year, not cause he is hoping to stand out
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+1 #52 ImNotJoJo 2011-12-19 14:00
MacLean got to see this guy often when coaching in Detroit. He obviously knows the great skill set/potential he has.
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+3 #53 Johne 2011-12-19 14:02
I think this team is committed to making Turris work, if he's not producing at 2nd line C, bump him up on Spezza's wing. There's more than one way to make a player work out for your team. The kid has skill, NHL skill, top 6 skill and no one should give up on that and the price they paid for Turris guarantees that.
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-6 #54 Tookie 2011-12-19 14:02
Quoting Johne:
I don't know why armchair scouts/gms think they're better than professional scouts/gms/coaches. Don't you think Murray's entire staff did their homework before doing this deal? If Turris is a stiff than MacLean wouldn't want him. I think that Rundblad is and will be great and so will Turris.


There are alot of professional GM/coaches that make mistakes, what do you think they are immune to making mistakes?

Fans can have amount of wrong or rights as a GM or coach, doesnt make the fans any less knowledgeable about hockey. Hell I bet some fans would be great GM or Coaches if given the opportunity.

As per Pierre, if he is that great he wouldnt have to be a TSN sock puppet. There is something that NHL teams, hell all of em, dont like about Pierre.
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0 #55 Blake Ryan 2011-12-19 14:05
@ johne, agreed!

I believe Runblad will be great for PHX and get a better opportunity for big minutes in the desert then he was getting given Cowan's emergence this season. We have given Fliatov, Da Costa, Zibby, Butler, foligno, and greening all big time opportunities and only Foligno and Greening seem to have capitalized on it. Let's give Turris the same opportunity - Maclean is the one that fought for this deal, and if Daddy Mac likes this kid - that says a lot. He rewards hard working players like Smitty, Foligno, Condra, Greening with ice time, I expect Turris is going to be a player of the similar mold with more upside. I was heart broken when we traded Runblad - but like any stereotypical sens fan - i am jumping on the turris hype train and giving our organization the benefit of the doubt - TURRIS FOR CALDER.
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0 #56 Alcatraz 2011-12-19 14:06
Ok Tookie based off your input, what was the marker for Rundblad. Straight up or a Rundblad+2nd, what should that have fetched us?

Paramters being that it has to be a player under the age of 23 to fit into rebuild mode

Has to be forward cause no way we are trading D for D
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+1 #57 ImNotJoJo 2011-12-19 14:06
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Johne:
I don't know why armchair scouts/gms think they're better than professional scouts/gms/coaches. Don't you think Murray's entire staff did their homework before doing this deal? If Turris is a stiff than MacLean wouldn't want him. I think that Rundblad is and will be great and so will Turris.


There are alot of professional GM/coaches that make mistakes, what do you think they are immune to making mistakes?

Fans can have amount of wrong or rights as a GM or coach, doesnt make the fans any less knowledgeable about hockey. Hell I bet some fans would be great GM or Coaches if given the opportunity.

As per Pierre, if he is that great he wouldnt have to be a TSN sock puppet. There is something that NHL teams, hell all of em, dont like about Pierre.

He works for NBC and Versus....
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0 #58 Johne 2011-12-19 14:08
@Tookie

It would take a lot of people to be wrong to be wrong about the Turris decision, thats not just something that is made by one person.
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0 #59 miguel 2011-12-19 14:16
wanted to chime in on Trade aftet 2 days to digest.
At first I was upset at the trade, did not know much about Turris other than his low numbers, and did really did not like the sitting out with nothing to back him up.
However after the Boston and Pitt games, It was evident that PM had been at his withs end with Rundblad.
He was screaming at him at the Boston game for brutal giveaways.
Then in the Pitt game we see Carkner come in and play solid D, Lee come and play solid D, both bettter defensively than Rundblad.
Rundblad was going down to Bingo obviously and, rumour had it that he would go to SEL before Bingo,
and that was the final straw.
Both Rundblad and Kalsson could not be in your top 6, and Rundblad was the one to go,
but why throw in a 2nd rounder?
I hope I am wrong but I am worried that we gave up too much with the 2nd rounder.
Again I have not seen Turris, but if PM loves him that is enough for me!
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+2 #60 SensFanInMTL 2011-12-19 14:44
Good to see most of you guys supporting Turris. At least he'll get a shot on this team and he sounded really happy to be here. Here's hoping he lives up to the hype.

Thanks for all your hard work in the short time you've been here, David. You will not be forgotten.

Go =O= go.
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-1 #61 Alcatraz 2011-12-19 14:44
Would like to point out that Rundblad was the same age as Karlsson and that really speaks to their development. Rundblad is still at least 2 years away of being an impact player in the league, which brings him to what 23/24 years old??

Its easy to say that at age 21 Karlsson will be a #1 dman, if he isn't already. Rundblad right now is 21 and shouldn't be in the NHL. Next year he is 22 years old and should be a bottom pairing guy. Unless he sky rockets to the levels of Karlsson I would say he should be getting 20+ minutes a game by time he is 24 years old. Now that is only if he can work on his defensive game, if not he will quickly be marc andre bergeron v2.0

We have been quick to pour all this praise on him. Maybe if he was 18/19 and had this potential but a 21 year old who has played a full year vs men and dominated, and still can't adjust to NHL worries me and I'm sure Maclean felt the same
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+1 #62 eagle 2011-12-19 14:51
Emotions got to me on Saturday when I read the news, I had invested a lot emotionally in Rundblad. I hoped for his success in every game I watched and definitely saw the promise.The news turned me on my head. How hard would it be to be a GM and build a team and not let the emotions guide your decisions! Many reasons this deal happened which many have already stated. I wonder what other options this package would have fetched in the open market...makes you wonder..any thoughts?
However, the team was playing well and there was no guarantee that we would be a lottery pick team and be able to pick "he who shan't be named"(it may still happen) but the Sens did have assets on Defense that allowed for a move to get a possible high caliber Forward and the opportunity presented itself now. I wonder how it will turn out - it will be fun to watch... So I have looked at this analytically and now I am going to return to being an emotional fan enjoying the roller coaster ride.
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+1 #63 Seels 2011-12-19 14:52
Getting really tired of Filatov.. Clearly has massive character flaws. "Filly don't do rebounds"?? are you serious? For the people saying they still don't feel like he got a fair chance, he didn't because he is an asshole, extremely full of himself, watch his interviews, how he responds like a "psssh, no" response to every question. The reason he was put on the shelf as abruptly as he was is because nobody likes him, nobody wants him around to sully our success thus far, he is a dink.

My opinion, obviously.
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+3 #64 The Apostle 2011-12-19 14:58
Quoting Alcatraz:


man kids wear the number of their birth year its a trend. Turris wore 91 cause of his birth year, not cause he is hoping to stand out


Turris was born in 89
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+1 #65 Tyler_Oakman 2011-12-19 15:00
This is easily one of the weirdest moves for Sens fans in a while. 90% of the reaction was negative when the trade was just done.Then, the day after, if these comments are any indication, I'd say its about 15%. I know my thoughts changed drastically seeing his atitude and lsitening to Murray/The Stache talk about him
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0 #66 Texmexnl 2011-12-19 15:05
So, do people think filatov will come back from Russia ? I know I would
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0 #67 Alcatraz 2011-12-19 15:05
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting Alcatraz:


man kids wear the number of their birth year its a trend. Turris wore 91 cause of his birth year, not cause he is hoping to stand out


Turris was born in 89


haha lesson for me to double check before I post lol game set match pour vous
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0 #68 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-19 15:07
I'm anxiously awaiting the first Turris interview to go up on the Sens website.
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0 #69 kyler12 2011-12-19 15:09
inteview is there ^
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0 #70 The Apostle 2011-12-19 15:10
Quoting Tyler_Oakman:
This is easily one of the weirdest moves for Sens fans in a while. 90% of the reaction was negative when the trade was just done.Then, the day after, if these comments are any indication, I'd say its about 15%. I know my thoughts changed drastically seeing his atitude and lsitening to Murray/The Stache talk about him


and if Turris scores a goal or even gets an assist in his first couple of games it will be down to 10% dislike

we are mostly commenting from a position of ignorance. Not many of us will have seen Turris play 10 games. All we know about him is the contract hold out and that pisses us off.

Most people were surprised because Rundblad was meant to be great and the organisation seemed very high on him. Fact is though he isn't. Yet.
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+1 #71 Section ThirtyOne 2011-12-19 15:12
Guys, Turris wore 91 because some guy named Shane Doan already had his favourite number. (19)
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+1 #72 Alcatraz 2011-12-19 15:15
Thanks section31! makes sense

Also did anyone else see the footnote on the sens article saying that Turris is "good buddies" with Weircoch from their time in the BCHL as well as have previously roomed with Spezza in 2008 World Champ tryouts?

At least he has some familiarity with Spezza
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0 #73 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-19 15:16
Quoting kyler12:
inteview is there ^


I can't find it?
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+2 #74 NorCal SensFan 2011-12-19 15:17
After watching the interview with Turris, I am becoming more enthusiastic about having him here... He looks really excited to play for our organization. Motivation does a lot for confidence and performance in game situations... If he is mentally willing to commit to the team and the system, that will go a long way into him performing offensively... The trade still has the potential to be a huge disaster, but we could also be looking back at this at year end as a turning point for the team.
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+3 #75 Sensfan1741 2011-12-19 15:19
I am so on the Turris bandwagon. I think he has top-end skill and will flourish with more ice-time, more responsibility, playing with skill guys and getting PP time. I am jacked up to watch him play. Go Sens !

-btw, was it just more or was Rundblad seem like a slow skater out there ?
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0 #76 Cy Denneny 2011-12-19 15:19
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting Alcatraz:


man kids wear the number of their birth year its a trend. Turris wore 91 cause of his birth year, not cause he is hoping to stand out


Turris was born in 89


haha lesson for me to double check before I post lol game set match pour vous


Turris's number is 19, as such he took 91 in Phoenix because of Doan.
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+1 #77 kyler12 2011-12-19 15:20
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Quoting kyler12:
inteview is there ^


I can't find it?

http://video.senators.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hcatid=1141&id=143447
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0 #78 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-19 15:20
Quoting kyler12:
inteview is there ^


nevermind I found it now
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0 #79 NorCal SensFan 2011-12-19 15:21
Quoting Sensfan1741:
I am so on the Turris bandwagon. I think he has top-end skill and will flourish with more ice-time, more responsibility, playing with skill guys and getting PP time. I am jacked up to watch him play. Go Sens !

-btw, was it just more or was Rundblad seem like a slow skater out there ?



It was just you.... Rundblad can skate
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0 #80 CohMa 2011-12-19 15:23
OTTAWA SENATORS PROSPECT UPDATE - 2011-12-19

http://senators.nhl.com/v2/ext/PDFs/Prospect_Update-121911.pdf
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+2 #81 Zaktama 2011-12-19 15:24
Lets wait awhile before we jump all over Murray for "overpaying". Also if MacLean does not like Rundblads game of giveaways and is hyped for Turris, then that has to carry some wait as well. The 2nd round pick is an unknown at this point and I am sure Murray will get this back in another deal later on in the season. Lets give Turris our support and not dump on him without even really knowing his full situation. All of these comments on how he is going to bomb out and be another Heatley situation are really ridiculous.
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+1 #82 Patrick 2.0 2011-12-19 15:25
Quoting Tookie19:
Just watch the games, people will blame it on new team, new players bla bla bla, but like my prediction is holding up (currently 10th) he wont do much now, or do much during his time here in Ottawa.


OMG!!! No, no, no, no, no you don't Took! Not this time buddy old pal!! I've been ignoring you for a while, but you're not getting away with this one!

At the start of the season, you and Fail4nails (or whatever he was called) were very critical of me predicting the Sens would be drafting between 5th and 10th place as you both ranked the Sens in the bottom 3 and specifically asked me which team I thought we would beat in the rankings (I said something like "Jets, phoenix, columbus and a couple others).

I'm starting to doubt my initial prediction as the Sens are doing better than I would of thought. But at least I'm man enough to admit it.
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0 #83 hamany 2011-12-19 15:26
http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/#clip588241

tookie just shut up plz!
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0 #84 Spinorama 2011-12-19 15:29
Hey Tooks,
Didn't Leafs goalie Gustavsson also dominate SEL. It's nice that players come here after dominating SEL but it doesn't warrant Superstar status. It may be the second best league in teh world but it is also Much further away in quality under the NHL. Turris has dominated wherever he has played until being rushed into the NHL. This is a pure potential for potential deal. Tooks don't be stupid and say stupid $hit.
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+2 #85 Johne 2011-12-19 15:31
If a big time overpayment is a second round pick, you are obviously putting to much value on a second round pick. If Rundblad and Turris were in the same draft class you'd have to pay a hell of alot more than your 1st and 2nd to get Turris. Give the kid a shot and be patient. If Murray can draft he sure as hell can make a good trade for another prospect.
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+1 #86 boom 2011-12-19 15:34
Tookie,

sorry, but enough with this "SEL is the 2nd best league in the world" crap. Especially when you use phrases like "playing against men"...
You shit all over me when I suggested that the AHL is the 2nd best league in the world, but at least I admitted that I only meant it in terms of what best prepares someone to play in the NHL....
I'm sure, this past summer, you were the one who said Rundblad would be alot better (this year)then Cowen because Rundblad was "playing in a man's league"....what happened there?
I still maintain he and 90% of all prospects would benefit from time in the AHL. It's a different game on this side of the ocean...
The SEL is full of men all right - men who don't hit!
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-6 #87 Tookie 2011-12-19 15:34
Turris on 1200 now.

Asked why it didnt work in Pheonix...

Umm yeah, umm, I didnt fit, yeah, umm, looking forward to our next game.

Hahaha come on man, sounds like a guy who doesnt know what he wants, couldnt even say why it didnt work out.
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+1 #88 Alcatraz 2011-12-19 15:37
Quoting Tookie19:
Turris on 1200 now.

Asked why it didnt work in Pheonix...

Umm yeah, umm, I didnt fit, yeah, umm, looking forward to our next game.

Hahaha come on man, sounds like a guy who doesnt know what he wants, couldnt even say why it didnt work out.


I'm pretty sure if he said it as it was, he would be in big trouble with not only the sens but then also the Coyotes and starting an unneeded battle
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+1 #89 Johne 2011-12-19 15:38
LOL @Tookie

It's clear that you WANT to be a negative Nancy when you're bashing a guy for his interviews at 22 years old.
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+1 #90 Spinorama 2011-12-19 15:39
Quoting Tookie19:
Turris on 1200 now.

Asked why it didnt work in Pheonix...

Umm yeah, umm, I didnt fit, yeah, umm, looking forward to our next game.

Hahaha come on man, sounds like a guy who doesnt know what he wants, couldnt even say why it didnt work out.


Don't care if the guy can talk as long as he can score goals ! Spezza's interviews are worse but we love him anyways !!
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0 #91 The Apostle 2011-12-19 15:40
Quoting Tookie19:

Hahaha come on man, sounds like a guy who doesnt know what he wants, couldnt even say why it didnt work out.



Player interviews never reveal anything. What is he going to say. That he thought the new coach was a prick? That he was beaten up by the other players?

He's saying exactly the sort of crap that anybody would say in his position and exactly the same sort of stuff that Rundblad will be saying in the desert. it didn't work out, that's too bad, looking forward to the next game.

If you judged players by their interviews the only conclusion you would draw is that 95% of them are braindead.

Let's see him play before we toss him overboard. If his attitude and work ethic is good here then I don't give a dead donkey dick what he did or didn't do in Phoenix.
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-2 #92 Tookie 2011-12-19 15:41
Quoting Johne:
LOL @Tookie

It's clear that you WANT to be a negative Nancy when you're bashing a guy for his interviews at 22 years old.


What does age have to do with it?
Man up, dont make excuses.
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0 #93 Cy Denneny 2011-12-19 15:42
So the big questions that nobody has answered yet,(and I don't have an answer for) is if we overpaid for Turris, which young 2nd line center could we have traded Rundbalt + a 2nd round draft pick for that has more upside than Turris?
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0 #94 boom 2011-12-19 15:43
Quoting Johne:
LOL @Tookie

It's clear that you WANT to be a negative Nancy when you're bashing a guy for his interviews at 22 years old.

Especaiily coming from a guy who loves (and defends any criticism of) Giggles aka Spezaa.
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-1 #95 Tookie 2011-12-19 15:44
Quoting The Apostle:

Let's see him play before we toss him overboard. If his attitude and work ethic is good here then I don't give a dead donkey dick what he did or didn't do in Phoenix.


agreed to an extent, it has to be more than work ethic and attitude, he has to score, why else did we bring him here.

No more Turris bashing until he starts to suck.
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0 #96 hamany 2011-12-19 15:44
look tookie when turris shows us his shot your gonna be the one that looks like a idiot....so get over it!
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+5 #97 SensChirp 2011-12-19 15:45
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Johne:
LOL @Tookie

It's clear that you WANT to be a negative Nancy when you're bashing a guy for his interviews at 22 years old.


What does age have to do with it?
Man up, dont make excuses.

Tookie, you often back up your arguments with legitimate points but a criticism of an on-air interview might be your weakest yet. Really reaching.
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0 #98 hamany 2011-12-19 15:46
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Johne:
LOL @Tookie

It's clear that you WANT to be a negative Nancy when you're bashing a guy for his interviews at 22 years old.


What does age have to do with it?
Man up, dont make excuses.

Tookie, you often back up your arguments with legitimate points but a criticism of an on-air interview might be your weakest yet. Really reaching.


chirp your the best!
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+6 #99 dmare085 2011-12-19 15:47
After watching his interview, he looks ecstatic to be an Ottawa Senator. Those are the kind of players I want on this team. Players that want to play here. Turris will do just fine, lets just give him some time.
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-6 #100 Tookie 2011-12-19 15:47
Quoting Cy Denneny:
So the big questions that nobody has answered yet,(and I don't have an answer for) is if we overpaid for Turris, which young 2nd line center could we have traded Rundbalt + a 2nd round draft pick for that has more upside than Turris?



Well one that quickly comes to mind is Sam Gagner, not that I would want him but he is one that has a higher ceiling and more proven.
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+5 #101 The Apostle 2011-12-19 15:48
Quoting Tookie19:


agreed to an extent, it has to be more than work ethic and attitude, he has to score, why else did we bring him here.


Murray bought him here just to annoy you and to make you unhapy Tookie. Of course the joke is on him because what he hasn't realised is that annoyed and unhappy are your default settings.
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+3 #102 Alcatraz 2011-12-19 15:49
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Cy Denneny:
So the big questions that nobody has answered yet,(and I don't have an answer for) is if we overpaid for Turris, which young 2nd line center could we have traded Rundbalt + a 2nd round draft pick for that has more upside than Turris?



Well one that quickly comes to mind is Sam Gagner, not that I would want him but he is one that has a higher ceiling and more proven.


higher ceiling?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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+4 #103 Spinorama 2011-12-19 15:52
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Cy Denneny:
So the big questions that nobody has answered yet,(and I don't have an answer for) is if we overpaid for Turris, which young 2nd line center could we have traded Rundbalt + a 2nd round draft pick for that has more upside than Turris?



Well one that quickly comes to mind is Sam Gagner, not that I would want him but he is one that has a higher ceiling and more proven.


HAHAHAHA you would trade Runblad and a 2nd for SAM GAGNER !? Seriously ?? do you have him in your hockey pool or something Lol
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+2 #104 SkipOPot2Mus 2011-12-19 15:53
If Turris lives up to the hype we could have one of the best 1,2,3 and even 4 centre lineups in the game with Spezza, Turris, Zibanejad and Smith.

I think Turris will do just fine. He looks real excited to be here and like someone posted above those are the guys you want on your team.

Real shame to see Rundblad go though. I was looking forward to watching him and karlsson being one of the most elite offensive tandems in the league.

Cant wait for tomorrow!!
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0 #105 Johne 2011-12-19 15:54
@Chirp haha! agreed.
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+4 #106 ChrisT. 2011-12-19 16:06
We all know hockey player interviews are done completely on cruise control and are scripted as hell: 'I thought we all came out and played 110%, it was a real team win..etc. etc.' so don't take much merit out of any interview.

What I DID notice about the Turris interview - the kid couldn't even hide the massive smile on his face even when he was trying to answer a question seriously. Personally, I am stoked to see a kid coming into this organization that is this enthusiastic to be here.

On another note - Sam Gagner Took? You should be slapped. Also it proves my long standing theory that you completely talk out of your ass and know almost nothing about this sport.
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0 #107 Alcatraz 2011-12-19 16:09
Quoting ChrisT.:
We all know hockey player interviews are done completely on cruise control and are scripted as hell: 'I thought we all came out and played 110%, it was a real team win..etc. etc.' so don't take much merit out of any interview.

What I DID notice about the Turris interview - the kid couldn't even hide the massive smile on his face even when he was trying to answer a question seriously. Personally, I am stoked to see a kid coming into this organization that is this enthusiastic to be here.

On another note - Sam Gagner Took? You should be slapped. Also it proves my long standing theory that you completely talk out of your ass and know almost nothing about this sport.


its ok I'm sure he also thinks cogliano would be a good piece to have also and even Angelo Esposito
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0 #108 Sens of Peskyville 2011-12-19 16:13
Sam Gagne - 8.5C
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/sam_gagner

Kyle Turris - 7.0B
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/kyle_turris

Turris has a lower ceiling, but less risk to miss it.

David Rundblad - 8.0B
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/david_rundblad

Not sure if this supports or hurts Tookie's argument, but I'm confident he can turn this information into some negative comment about Turris, BM, the sens, Ottawa media or the Easter bunny.
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-1 #109 MoeDozer 2011-12-19 16:13
Quoting Alcatraz:


man kids wear the number of their birth year its a trend. Turris wore 91 cause of his birth year, not cause he is hoping to stand out

he orignally wanted 19 in pheonix but obviously the captain has that number. so he fliped the numbers, just like spezza did when he plays on the canadian national team since names like thornton are usually on the same team.
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-2 #110 Alcatraz 2011-12-19 16:16
Quoting MoeDozer:
Quoting Alcatraz:


man kids wear the number of their birth year its a trend. Turris wore 91 cause of his birth year, not cause he is hoping to stand out


he orignally wanted 19 in pheonix but obviously the captain has that number. so he fliped the numbers, just like spezza did when he plays on the canadian national team since names like thornton are usually on the same team.

this was already resolved by other comments, I acknowledge I was wrong.

As for Hockeysfuture. Treat that website about as accurate as Eklund lol

Thats an awful website for talent evaluation
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+2 #111 MoeDozer 2011-12-19 16:17
pierre lebrun and darren pang have now said they believe turris will be turning things arround. glad to see tsn/espn/cbc support a sens player
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0 #112 Canucnik 2011-12-19 16:31
#7 for a forward was/is a sixties number it meant you were one of the top end forwards on the team...often a first string center playing 2nd Center.

A wise hockey man once told me if a GM goes 50/50 he's doin' OK. This trade was a Win/Win. If Rundblad pans out after a full year apprenticeship you would have been just like Chicago too much money not enough PP time...David didn't fit...

Some Canadian boys take time to mature, are late starters...watc h Kyle light it up for us...

Note: our room likes the guy...this should not be under sold.
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+2 #113 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-19 16:43
Do you know what I hate?

People are bashing each other for giving their opinion the trade, both sides (Honestly, mostly people bashing the one's that don't like).

He hasn't even played a game for Ottawa yet. How can any of you possibly know what's what? He could come in here and instantly contribute OR he could be more like Nikita Filatov was (which is to say, underwhelming) OR he could be somewhere in the middle. Nobody knows, and if you say you do, you are full of shit and simply guessing/hoping.

For his sake, he better play well. Ottawa is much like Toronto and Montreal that way THESE DAYS... we tend to try and eat our young, if they disappoint us.
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+1 #114 Sensnation 2011-12-19 16:51
Quoting Blue:
Sam Gagne - 8.5C
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/sam_gagner

Kyle Turris - 7.0B
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/kyle_turris

Turris has a lower ceiling, but less risk to miss it.

David Rundblad - 8.0B
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/david_rundblad

Not sure if this supports or hurts Tookie's argument, but I'm confident he can turn this information into some negative comment about Turris, BM, the sens, Ottawa media or the Easter bunny.


Not sure if you know this but they changed Turris' ranking after he was traded to Ottawa. No explanation why but he used to be a 8.5B and it makes zero sense that they changed it now since he hasn't been a prospect for their purposes for a few years now.
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0 #115 darthsens911 2011-12-19 16:54
I love how Tookie finally posts on the trade and now everyone loves Turris and is on the bandwagon for him maybe even to spite tookie... Maybe Tookie's true role on this site is too band everyone together, against him.

In a less joking sense however, everyone needs to understand that Turris is young and inexperienced thus far and will definately need time, patience and understanding from the fans in the same manner that Rundblad was receiving. He will likely be very good, but it will not happen overnight just because of a change in location. Hope we can all give him the fan support he will need to flourish here.
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0 #116 MoeDozer 2011-12-19 16:56
Quoting Blue:
Sam Gagne - 8.5C
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/sam_gagner

Kyle Turris - 7.0B
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/kyle_turris

Turris has a lower ceiling, but less risk to miss it.

David Rundblad - 8.0B
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/david_rundblad

Not sure if this supports or hurts Tookie's argument, but I'm confident he can turn this information into some negative comment about Turris, BM, the sens, Ottawa media or the Easter bunny.

take those grades with a grain of salt. i remember they had karlsson at something like a 7.0B or C.. where if you really grade him today he is closer to an 8.5 or mroe
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0 #117 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-19 17:00
I am also highly disappointed in how many of you seem to be dissing a player like David Rundblad based on his performance in his first 24 NHL games.

Makes me wonder why anyone should listen to a word you say...

Erik Karlsson's stats after his first 24 NHL games:

1G 5A -12 (including a 1 month visit to the AHL)
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-3 #118 MoeDozer 2011-12-19 17:05
fat brucy on twitter:
SunGarrioch Bruce Garrioch
Former Senators D Steve Duchesne will be in town tomorrow. Scored the goal that propelled Ottawa to the playoffs in 1997 vs. Sabres.

im sure he will get a nice standing O from the crowd tomorrow!
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0 #119 MoeDozer 2011-12-19 17:07
Quoting John Q. Spartan:
I am also highly disappointed in how many of you seem to be dissing a player like David Rundblad based on his performance in his first 24 NHL games.

Makes me wonder why anyone should listen to a word you say...

Erik Karlsson's stats after his first 24 NHL games:

1G 5A -12 (including a 1 month visit to the AHL)

karlsson was also 19/20 year old that had only 1 season in the SEL mens league playing 5-6 Dman mins where as obviously rundblad was the top of his team, dont compare rookie stats
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+6 #120 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-12-19 17:14
I really cant believe some of you are fighting about a trade that makes are team better starting to wonder if you are fans or just wanna fight with each other then just bitch and complain

What Ottawa needed was a #2 centre more than a struggling #3 (in the future) defensman. We have more D in the pipeline that will be ready to come up after Kuba and Gonchar's contracts run out. Both Cowen and Karlsson are now playing over 25 minutes a game. Our weakness was at the #2 centre position. It would seem that Bryan Murray has now filled that hole.. Turris has 8 points in 13 games vs East 2010-2011 ..

When he unleashes that shoot most of you will be on here claiming you knew it was a great move whole time !!!
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+2 #121 hamany 2011-12-19 17:18
Quoting TURRIS91:
I really cant believe some of you are fighting about a trade that makes are team better starting to wonder if you are fans or just wanna fight with each other then just bitch and complain

What Ottawa needed was a #2 centre more than a struggling #3 (in the future) defensman. We have more D in the pipeline that will be ready to come up after Kuba and Gonchar's contracts run out. Both Cowen and Karlsson are now playing over 25 minutes a game. Our weakness was at the #2 centre position. It would seem that Bryan Murray has now filled that hole.. Turris has 8 points in 13 games vs East 2010-2011 ..

When he unleashes that shoot most of you will be on here claiming you knew it was a great move whole time !!!


TOTALLY!!!
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+2 #122 DenisVial 2011-12-19 17:20
Here's what's really important, we have a very happy, extremely talented 22 year old potential #2C who is going to go balls out to prove all the naysayers wrong. And we have a great new coach who's going to give him the opportunity to do it. Vial out!
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0 #123 The Apostle 2011-12-19 17:24
Quoting John Q. Spartan:
Do you know what I hate?.



you know what I hate? melted cheese. I understand that has fuck all relevance but it does have as much relevance as judging a player before he's even played a game for us.

I agree with JQS let's hold fire on judgement's first fire.
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-4 #124 ShaunK 2011-12-19 17:33
Just because Turris is young doesnt mean that Murray went against the rebuild. What a terrible homerish way of defending what is still a bad trade
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0 #125 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-19 17:34
Quoting MoeDozer:

karlsson was also 19/20 year old that had only 1 season in the SEL mens league playing 5-6 Dman mins where as obviously rundblad was the top of his team, dont compare rookie stats


So let me get this straight... If someone brings up the great year that Rundblad had in the SEL last year, people shit on that and say it's not the NHL.

Then if you attempt to make a valid comparison between Rundblad and Karlsson, that same SEL season is used as a reason why Rundblad should show instant results?

Nevermind, don't answer... I don't care.
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0 #126 Dan Druff 2011-12-19 17:34
Quoting Tookie19:
Turris on 1200 now.

Asked why it didnt work in Pheonix...

Umm yeah, umm, I didnt fit, yeah, umm, looking forward to our next game.

Hahaha come on man, sounds like a guy who doesnt know what he wants, couldnt even say why it didnt work out.



BORING !
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-1 #127 ShaunK 2011-12-19 17:36
Also, LOL @ Condra getting a top 6 role. Jesus christ
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0 #128 SensChirp 2011-12-19 17:57
Quoting ShaunK:
Just because Turris is young doesnt mean that Murray went against the rebuild. What a terrible homerish way of defending what is still a bad trade

Not sure I understand this comment? Is this in reference to what I said in the original post?
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+2 #129 darthsens911 2011-12-19 18:11
Quoting ShaunK:
Just because Turris is young doesnt mean that Murray went against the rebuild. What a terrible homerish way of defending what is still a bad trade


Definately not a bad trade. It took me a while to get on board but IMO the trade suits our team far more than phoenix gains. We have a hole that got filled. They gained another d-prospect that they won't have room on the ice for. (Very unfortunate for Rundblad however).
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+1 #130 army 2011-12-19 18:52
Quoting ShaunK:
Just because Turris is young doesnt mean that Murray went against the rebuild. What a terrible homerish way of defending what is still a bad trade


And thats why your the GM of the team! oh wait, your not......
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0 #131 G-r0y 2011-12-19 18:53
anyone have a stream for the canada vs finland pre tournament world juniors tonight? starts at 9 et.
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+1 #132 Sensnation 2011-12-19 18:54
Quoting ShaunK:
Just because Turris is young doesnt mean that Murray went against the rebuild. What a terrible homerish way of defending what is still a bad trade


Shaunk wtf. 1 sentence has nothing to do with the other. The first sentence defends against those who said "hey I thought we were in a rebuild". That 2nd sentence just shows you are mad about losing Rundblad, but no real support behind your opinion. You will learn in time this was a good trade, I have no doubt about it.
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-1 #133 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-12-19 19:03
[quote name="Sensnatio n"]Can we please ignore Tookie, he's mad that not only the Sens are outperforming his predictions, Cowen has turned into the D man he said he could never be, and this trade gives the Sens a real shot of not only making the playoffs in the future, but as early as this year as well. There is nothing he is going to say today that will be productive or add to the discussion, don't fall for the trap![/quote

Tookie is once again playing with our minds !

In our last 3 games , he said we would not win any, and I said 3 in a row, and we won 2 of the 3 !

Who is this guy Nookie19 ??

Is he trying to put Tookie to shame or what, with his lame comments !??
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0 #134 Seels 2011-12-19 19:13
A lot of guys are talking about Silfverberg being a lock for next year's team.. What do you think the chances would be for Mark Stone? If he keeps up his pace, has a strong juniors? He will be 20 next May.
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+1 #135 The Apostle 2011-12-19 19:36
http://web.ottawasenators.com/eng/Insider/THC/holiday2011/english/index.html
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-1 #136 Lambchops 2011-12-19 19:40
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting Johne:
Can't wait to see Turris, the thought of this team with another young top 6 talented forward makes me giddy. Already told the GF that I have a date night with the Sens on Tuesday and will not be disturbed.

Go SENS Go!


Make sure your girlfriend is aware of your beer and Buffalo wing requirements well in advance. If she doesn't like her role, put her on waivers.



or send her to russia
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0 #137 Eric2 2011-12-19 19:40
Quoting John Q. Spartan:
Quoting MoeDozer:

karlsson was also 19/20 year old that had only 1 season in the SEL mens league playing 5-6 Dman mins where as obviously rundblad was the top of his team, dont compare rookie stats


So let me get this straight... If someone brings up the great year that Rundblad had in the SEL last year, people shit on that and say it's not the NHL.

Then if you attempt to make a valid comparison between Rundblad and Karlsson, that same SEL season is used as a reason why Rundblad should show instant results?

Nevermind, don't answer... I don't care.


I think u do, or u prob wouldn't have written 3 paragraphs. Ha

In any case, I agree with your point. Whoever failed to see the potential in Rundblad's abilities, and and/or declared him to be crap after 20 games is just terribly short-sighted.

E
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0 #138 NorCal SensFan 2011-12-19 19:45
Quoting The Apostle:
http://web.ottawasenators.com/eng/Insider/THC/holiday2011/english/index.html


Zenon Konopka looks like he's been tapping the egg nog a little early
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0 #139 TEXMEXnl 2011-12-19 19:51
Chirp,

Whats the story on Filatov? did he sign before the midnight deadline in russia?
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0 #140 stevrock 2011-12-19 19:59
Quoting The Apostle:
http://web.ottawasenators.com/eng/Insider/THC/holiday2011/english/index.html


Holy hell is Gonchar's head ever friggin huge. Same with Kuba actually.
Glad most actually said Chritmas too.
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0 #141 oakster15 2011-12-19 20:06
Quoting stevrock:
Quoting The Apostle:
http://web.ottawasenators.com/eng/Insider/THC/holiday2011/english/index.html


Holy hell is Gonchar's head ever friggin huge. Same with Kuba actually.
Glad most actually said Chritmas too.


i agree, the sad thing is i look exactly like gonchar haha and i'm only 21..

spezza's is hillarious. completely stone faced
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0 #142 MoeDozer 2011-12-19 20:12
Quoting stevrock:
Quoting The Apostle:
http://web.ottawasenators.com/eng/Insider/THC/holiday2011/english/index.html


Holy hell is Gonchar's head ever friggin huge. Same with Kuba actually.
Glad most actually said Chritmas too.

i thought greening's head was massive. huge square jaw. lucky for cowen, his body matches his large head
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0 #143 DenisVial 2011-12-19 20:21
If anyone needs a laugh, check out Sergio Momesso doing colour for the Habs game. Time has not been kind to the Italian Stallion. He looks like Jaba the Hut!
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0 #144 John Q. Spartan 2011-12-19 20:37
Quoting Eric2:


I think u do, or u prob wouldn't have written 3 paragraphs. Ha

In any case, I agree with your point. Whoever failed to see the potential in Rundblad's abilities, and and/or declared him to be crap after 20 games is just terribly short-sighted.

E


"I don't care" to read what MoeDozer could possibly come up with in response. Nowhere did I imply I didn't care about what I wrote.
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0 #145 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-12-19 20:37
Good luck too Team Canada tonight GO STONE GO !!
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0 #146 WantEggRoll 2011-12-19 20:47
Quoting The Apostle:
http://web.ottawasenators.com/eng/Insider/THC/holiday2011/english/index.html


Haha nice, my favourite was Zack Smith's. Looked like a couple of them were having some fun with it.
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0 #147 hamany 2011-12-19 21:05
is there a stream for the canada game today?
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0 #148 Frootmig 2011-12-19 21:12
Quoting The Apostle:
http://web.ottawasenators.com/eng/Insider/THC/holiday2011/english/index.html

Too bad no one attempted a french greeting. Don't tell anyone from the Parti Quebecois ... although they are too busy lambasting Cunney right now ... All part of Gauthier's evil plan to divert everyone's attention from the real problem in Montreal ... him!
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0 #149 MoeDozer 2011-12-19 21:12
Quoting John Q. Spartan:
Quoting MoeDozer:

karlsson was also 19/20 year old that had only 1 season in the SEL mens league playing 5-6 Dman mins where as obviously rundblad was the top of his team, dont compare rookie stats


So let me get this straight... If someone brings up the great year that Rundblad had in the SEL last year, people shit on that and say it's not the NHL.

Then if you attempt to make a valid comparison between Rundblad and Karlsson, that same SEL season is used as a reason why Rundblad should show instant results?

Nevermind, don't answer... I don't care.

i didnt shit on rundblad saying his stats happened in the SEL, he cant do that anywhere else..all i said was rundblad got to almost fully develope in the SEL, karlsson did not and thats why to me atleast, its not a valid comparision at all. i guess were comparing apples and oranges here
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0 #150 IcySurfas 2011-12-19 21:13
Just relax everyone.

Trust the powers that be. GSG
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0 #151 Chris M 2011-12-19 21:15
I'm sick of hearing people call Turris a bust. The kid is 22 and was terribly mismanaged in the desert. The majority of those 137 NHL games were that of a kid who wasn't ready for the bigs and was rushed into the spotlight.

IMO NHL stats don't apply to this trade. The Rundblad comparison to Karlsson is spot on but I think that he will take more time to develop than his fellow Swede. We basically traded potential in an area where we have depth for potential in an area where we have been starving.

Sure the 2nd is a bit much but if that's what it takes to get the deal done I do that 10 times out of 10. It feels weird actually agreeing with a move that Murray made. It sure has been a while.
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0 #152 conservativeHippie 2011-12-19 21:25
Quoting Frootmig:
Quoting The Apostle:
http://web.ottawasenators.com/eng/Insider/THC/holiday2011/english/index.html

Too bad no one attempted a french greeting. Don't tell anyone from the Parti Quebecois ... although they are too busy lambasting Cunney right now ... All part of Gauthier's evil plan to divert everyone's attention from the real problem in Montreal ... him!


Some are saying on twitter that as the capital of Canada, Ottawa should have bilingual coach and GM.

I say the best man for the job. If there was a Swedish Scotty bowman and he said he would only go to Ottawa because he know he can win with us, I would do that. Have a player translate for him, don't care. We would be a lot closer to the cup.
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0 #153 stevrock 2011-12-19 22:01
Quoting conservativeHippie:
Quoting Frootmig:
Quoting The Apostle:
http://web.ottawasenators.com/eng/Insider/THC/holiday2011/english/index.html

Too bad no one attempted a french greeting. Don't tell anyone from the Parti Quebecois ... although they are too busy lambasting Cunney right now ... All part of Gauthier's evil plan to divert everyone's attention from the real problem in Montreal ... him!


Some are saying on twitter that as the capital of Canada, Ottawa should have bilingual coach and GM.

I say the best man for the job. If there was a Swedish Scotty bowman and he said he would only go to Ottawa because he know he can win with us, I would do that. Have a player translate for him, don't care. We would be a lot closer to the cup.


I wouldn't care if MacLean was a mute, I only care if he's capable of doing to the job expected of him.
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+3 #154 Ryan 2011-12-19 22:17
Mark stone scored Canada up 2-1
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+5 #155 MoeDozer 2011-12-19 22:17
2-1 canada. mark stone got the 2nd goal!
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+3 #156 SkipOPot2Mus 2011-12-19 22:30
Its my first time watching Mark Stone play and I like what I see. Also Mikael Granlund is siiicckk. This kids gonna be a star in this league for sure.
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+2 #157 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-12-19 22:34
All the flack in Montreal, about Interim Head Coach Randy Cunneyworth not being French Speaking, is really politically motivated.

Cunneyworth will not be there more than a few months, and could be replaced by Patrick Roy, who said he would be interested. My oh my, how time changes !!
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0 #158 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-19 22:41
Quoting WantEggRoll:
Quoting The Apostle:
http://web.ottawasenators.com/eng/Insider/THC/holiday2011/english/index.html


Haha nice, my favourite was Zack Smith's. Looked like a couple of them were having some fun with it.


Zack Smith's was great, but I burst out laughing when Spezza came on. What a goofball haha
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-4 #159 ShaunK 2011-12-19 22:53
after watching Stone tonight, I get the criticism of his skating. he's sloppy out there and I bet wont cut it in the NHL unless he continues to improve
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+2 #160 AlfieforMayor11 2011-12-19 22:58
Quoting ShaunK:
after watching Stone tonight, I get the criticism of his skating. he's sloppy out there and I bet wont cut it in the NHL unless he continues to improve


There's definitely a lot of room for improvement but his skating isn't as bad as I thought it will be. He still has a lot of work to do if he wants to make the NHL. Skating is the most important asset any player can have, and he certainly has all the other tools.
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-3 #161 SENSor 2011-12-19 23:08
This trade should have never have happened...A lot of fans around here have been drinking the kool-aid, but most of the hockey world is laughing at us, amazed how Maloney pulled off a blue chip prospect and a high 2nd rounder for a guy who wanted out of town...Puck Daddy has a good article on Maloney today...
...What I still don't understand is now we definitely have to use our 1st round draft pick this year to draft a D-Man - and we'll have to wait three years to HOPE he will be as good as Runblad - it just doesn't make sense...
Rebuild is over, Murray wants to make the playoffs - welcome to the Toronto Maple Leaf post-lockout strategy! The rebuild included names like Z-bad, Stone, Peumpal, Prince, Noessan, Pageau...We needed Runblad for a legitimate 3 or 4 D-Man - we don't need Turris.
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+1 #162 SPEZZAMVP 2011-12-19 23:10
theres a reason filatovs situation is not working out ..its destiny..hes gonna get another shot with the big club and its gonna work out this time and in a huge fashion...just give him one more shot and dont play him on a line with konopka and wichester..let him play with turris and foligno see what they can do!....i still believe in filatov..i watched him in pre season and evrytime he came on the ice... u can just feel his precense..like something electtrifying was gonna happen
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0 #163 winnipegsens91 2011-12-19 23:19
one thing have you seen pheonix's depth on defense now WOW!
OEL, Gormley, Rundblad, Murphy, goncharov, schlemko


And i got a crazy idea lets wait a little bit to see how turris plays in the top-6 pheonix wanted him to be a bottom six player,
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-2 #164 winnipegsens91 2011-12-19 23:21
and maybe this trade will hurt us more in the long run say turris does improve the team right now but we get 9th place in the conference vs (hypothetically / potentially) a lower place say 13th and a higher draft pick
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+2 #165 darthsens911 2011-12-20 00:07
Quoting winnipegsens91:
and maybe this trade will hurt us more in the long run say turris does improve the team right now but we get 9th place in the conference vs (hypothetically/ potentially) a lower place say 13th and a higher draft pick


I personally think that if this team makes the playoffs that the kids will benefit in so many ways that you can't get from shitting the bed for a good draft pick.

I know 9th isnt in the playoffs though lol, but the push at the end would be the same.
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0 #166 winnipegsens91 2011-12-20 00:27
Quoting darthsens911:
Quoting winnipegsens91:
and maybe this trade will hurt us more in the long run say turris does improve the team right now but we get 9th place in the conference vs (hypothetically/ potentially) a lower place say 13th and a higher draft pick


I personally think that if this team makes the playoffs that the kids will benefit in so many ways that you can't get from shitting the bed for a good draft pick.

I know 9th isnt in the playoffs though lol, but the push at the end would be the same.


i accept that, just wanted to put a scenario out there thats happened to the leafs for many years (however i do feel were in a completely different scenario from past leafs teams, they were competing for a spot with the best team they could put forth were in a rebuild and playing good hockey)
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-3 #167 Lambchops 2011-12-20 00:28
Tookie, I don't think a player can have a high celing AND be a proven NHL player.

A celing is for prospects, once a player is proven that's usually his celing.
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+1 #168 Lambchops 2011-12-20 00:33
[quote name="SENSor"]T his trade should have never have happened...A lot of fans around here have been drinking the kool-aid'

I think you've been drinking the Rundblad kool-aid. What more has rundblad done in the show? Nothing. I thought he was supposed to be a more defensive karlsson. Hop off his dick and forget about it. Rundblads gone and aint never coming back
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+1 #169 MoeDozer 2011-12-20 00:51
Quoting ShaunK:
after watching Stone tonight, I get the criticism of his skating. he's sloppy out there and I bet wont cut it in the NHL unless he continues to improve

heatley has one of the worst skating abilities in the league. but is a pure goal scorer.. so is mark stone, catch my point here?

btw stone's skating is improved a LOT this year
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+1 #170 Ozzyb 2011-12-20 01:29
Thanks for the update on Filatov. I really hope he returns to Ottawa/binghamt on. I know going to the AHL would be A LOT less money, but I really want him to turn into an NHL scorer.
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-1 #171 Tookie 2011-12-20 01:43
Quoting SPEZZAMVP:
theres a reason filatovs situation is not working out ..its destiny..hes gonna get another shot with the big club and its gonna work out this time and in a huge fashion...just give him one more shot and dont play him on a line with konopka and wichester..let him play with turris and foligno see what they can do!....i still believe in filatov..i watched him in pre season and evrytime he came on the ice... u can just feel his precense..like something electtrifying was gonna happen


YAWN...
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0 #172 WantEggRoll 2011-12-20 03:43
I never get why if a team doesn't tank "they'll be stuck in everlasting no-man's land". Columbus/Florid a/Atlanta have all drafted in the lower ranks for multiple seasons and they're awesome right? (Florida/Atlant a finally seem to be coming around now but after how long?)

Where as the Boston Bruins (who just won the Stanley Cup) finished fifth for the 2006 Draft (Kessel) and then drafted Zach Hamill in 2007 before going back to making the post season.

As long as the Ottawa Senators draft well, develop our prospects properly, and don't go about signing every veteran Russian in the league then we have no need to tank year in, year out to become a contender again.

"IF" Kyle Turris pans out as a competent 2nd line center, we have the makings of a solid core to develop.
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-1 #173 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-12-20 07:54
Quoting WantEggRoll:
I never get why if a team doesn't tank "they'll be stuck in everlasting no-man's land". Columbus/Florida/Atlanta have all drafted in the lower ranks for multiple seasons and they're awesome right? (Florida/Atlanta finally seem to be coming around now but after how long?)

Where as the Boston Bruins (who just won the Stanley Cup) finished fifth for the 2006 Draft (Kessel) and then drafted Zach Hamill in 2007 before going back to making the post season.

As long as the Ottawa Senators draft well, develop our prospects properly, and don't go about signing every veteran Russian in the league then we have no need to tank year in, year out to become a contender again.

"IF" Kyle Turris pans out as a competent 2nd line center, we have the makings of a solid core to develop.


@ WantEggRoll,

Best comment I have seen, to completely "SHUT THE MOUTHS"
of tankers, like Tookie and FAIL4NAIL!!
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0 #174 GoBig=O=Go 2011-12-20 08:47
Breaking news!!! Limp Bizkit have just made changes to the lyrics to they're song Nookie to better represent the un-educated comments of a blogger on some Ottawa Senators chirp website:

They did it all for the Nookie, C'mon Tookie, Please just take your cookie, and stick it up yo' ass.
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+1 #175 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-12-20 09:41
Quoting GoBig=O=Go:
Breaking news!!! Limp Bizkit have just made changes to the lyrics to they're song Nookie to better represent the un-educated comments of a blogger on some Ottawa Senators chirp website:

They did it all for the Nookie, C'mon Tookie, Please just take your cookie, and stick it up yo' ass.


Nice rhyme to illustrate our 2 negative nancies !!

Love it !!!!!!!!!!
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0 #176 CarloswSPECR1 2011-12-20 20:40
I think I speak for everyone when I say, "F(_)CK YOU TOOKIE!
STFU you stupid troll.
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