(UPDATE 1:41 PM)- According to Dmitry Chesnokov on Twitter, there has been a resolution on the Nikita Filatov issue. The Sens will receive the paper work on his KHL contract in the near future and Filatov is expected to play his first game over there on December 20th.
We all knew the Ottawa Senators had an interest in Kyle Turris.
Early on Saturday morning, I received a text telling me to keep an eye on the Kyle Turris situation. Right then I had a feeling something might get done but I can say with complete honesty I did not expect David Rundblad to be a part of a deal.
Rundblad has had an up and down start in his rookie campaign but all Sens fans were excited about the potential this guy had. Beginning with the incredible season Rundblad had in Sweden last year, both the Sens organization and fans of the hockey team were thrilled with what they saw in David Rundblad.
But the reality is, defensive depth is a strength for this organization. With Erik Karlsson already a star in this league, Jared Cowen seemingly ready to take his game to the next level, and a couple guys pushing for spots in the AHL, the organization determined that Rundblad was expendable. With Kuba and Gonchar ready to return to the line up, the belief is Rundblad was likely headed to the AHL anyway.
Even a day later I am surprised by this move but I'm beginning to understand to motivation behind it.
In Kyle Turris, the Senators get a player with an extremely high ceiling. A third overall pick in 2007, Turris hasn't been able to reach his potential in Phoenix. His relationship with that organization soured fairly quickly and it was clear Turris needed a fresh start. He will certainly get that in Ottawa.
It's important to note that Paul MacLean played a significant role in this deal. He was excited about the possibility of adding Turris and really liked what he could bring to the team's second line. I was told yesterday that MacLean was really pushing for this deal.
The most surprising element of this deal, for me anyway, is that the Sens had to include that 2nd round pick. But with so many teams interested in Turris, Sens GM Bryan Murray had to anti up to get a deal done.
While this trade caught a lot of Sens fans off guard, it is a deal that makes sense for this organization. They used an area of strength to address a perceived weakness in organizational depth. This deal makes the Senators better right now and could make them much better in the near future.
David Rundblad will be missed but in Kyle Turris the Sens grab a player that can be a difference maker for the Ottawa Senators. He is expected to be at Sens practice tomorrow morning.
- On a day where all the talk was about the trade, there was an interesting development related to Nikita Filatov. He was unable to reach a deal with the KHL team and has been reassigned to Binghamton of the AHL. He is not expected to report and will continue to work to get a deal done with the KHL team. This move was about the Sens getting Filatov off the roster here with the NHL team.
- As I'm sure you've all noticed, the website wasn't nearly as active as it should have been on such a busy day for the team. Had to attend a wedding out of town and only had a few moments to get a post up before I left. It's frustrating to put as much effort into this site as I have only to see a move like this go down when I wasn't available. With that said, I want to thank all of you for keeping things going in the comment section. The 300 plus comments in less than 24 hours is a SensChirp record!
I think I would've much rather see Turris go to a different team and continue building through the draft. I just have this sickening feeling that this will somehow come back to bite us in the ass.
Turris had better work his ass off because whenever I've seen him play for Phoenix (mind you it's not all that often) and from what I've read, he has not shown any passion. I sincerely hope he will pan out because I know that he will be our next whipping boy if he doesn't.
What are your thoughts?
Yah, another question to ask is what does Foligno think about this himself, he was playing his best hockey at centre. You have to think another trade is in the works.
The smarter question is, What does Peter Regin feel about all this?
Zack smith is our 3rd line C, no question about it. With Neil, Kanopka, Daugavins and Condra holding down the Wings, Regin and Butler become the odd men out. (unless you put regin as 4th line C, a position he wouldnt be effective playing)
A move like this, tells me 1 thing, Murray and Maclean think we can be competitive sooner than we all imagined.
I have to agree.. Now if anderson would start standing on his head 1 out of every 3 games, it might be a playoff year after all
turris is signed for the next two years at 1.4 mil each and then he is an rfa.
so sens get a better cap deal also for the next two years. if turris hits the ground running, then it would be a super-bargain atleast for the next two years.
This is a big "Horsepower" second line. Foligno had already gone back to the wing with exception of the draws taken for Petr.
When and if Alfie wants a night off they will be able to play all three, #13; #71; #91, with Regin starting on Right wing with a cycle break out where each guy in turn goes back in deep and makes a fresh rush up the ice...they are interchangeable.
Just like EriK in Coach Paul's system big wheels, speed is suck an asset...nobody is going to skate away from our second line!
Question for ya chirp,
Any word on the status of MM9?? I heard rumors that he could be back as soon as Tuesday?
If so:
Greening-Spezza-Afie
Foligno-Turris-MM9
Daug-Zach-Condra
Winnie-Regin-Neil
Thoughts?
Haha I was wandering around the wedding looking for someone who would discuss the trade with me.
For the record, still on the fence with this one but I'm excited to see what Turris will do with a fresh start.
Milo-Spezza-Greening
Foligno-Turris-Alfie
Condra-Smith-daugavins
winny-konopka-neil
Regin
Butler
Maybe this didn't go over too well with the Sens?
I'm not opposed to this move. It sucks to see Rundblad and all his talent leave the team because he seemed like a long term player, but like many have said, the Sens are dealing from a position of strength in their defensive prospects.
With a rebuild, the GM can't just do nothing and expect something to happen, so I'd expect more moves before the end of the season. You're only fooling yourself to think that Turris won't bring the type of key skills you want on your core, and a GM isn't going to give that away for free.
This move leaves Regin the odd guy out, and it seems that Butler has played himself out of a roster spot. Not sure how Filatov was scratched more that Bulter.
Turris could be GOLDEN, he was once compared to a young Gretzky!
Let's hope it was just attitude not wanting to have anything to do with the non-hockey town of Phoenix.
We desperately needed a 2nd line Forward.
We'll have to see it Turris actually plays to his potential with Ottawa. I think the fans will be excited to see him and hopefully that will push him.
BUT when Gonchar & Kuba come back the Sens had 8 D.. not a good scenario. Did Rundblad refuse to go to the AHL... rumour has it he was going to be sent down Monday.
With Karlsson & the emergence of Cowen.. Rundblad was at highest -- 3rd D in the future.
We know the Sens are high on Borocop -- who will probably push for a spot next season.
We don't know how Ben Blood will do... and can the Sens get lucky to try that 6ft 8 guy in the NCAA.
Rundblad has the potential for a great young D man... I certainly hope for the Sens sake that Turris can live up to his hype.
10 teams at the beginning were in on Turris. Went down to 3 at the end. Tim Murray & Pierre Dorion were high on getting him. Let's hope it pays off.
This is what i believe should be the line up, it gives us everything from scoring to grit from 2nd line down.
It would do wonders for this young team to make the playoffs and get even 4 games in. They'll have a taste of what the post-season is like, and will push even harder the following year.
Side note: Did anyone notice our GA thus far? Holy sht, I knew it was bad but damn.. 116? Last in the league! That's absolutely embarrassing. Anderson and the D really need to step up and tighten up their game.
Folks saying that this isn't in line with the rebuild are wrong. This is a 22-year old player, that's part of what you're building around. If the coaches give him an opportunity to succeed, and the player takes that opportunity, then no one is going to be disappointed with this, because Turris really is an elite offensive talent, he just needs to develop a bit more.
I'm most excited to see Turris on the powerplay. It will be nice to have a player out there who isn't afraid to shoot the puck.
I'm very excited for Tuesday's game. I just feel bad for anyone who bought a Rundblad jersey. I was pretty close to getting one by I opted for Karlsson instead.
Any word on what number Turris is goig to wear? I imagine he'd wear 91 like he did in Phoenix.
Rundblad, like all offensive-minde d defensive prospects, needs to adjust to playing a more responsible game. I don't think its fair to say the Sens gave up on him at this point, he will be a key player in the NHL in about 2 or 3 seasons. This trade was out of strength for the Sens, not because they gave up on Rundblad.
At the end o the day I can wrap my head around Turris for Rundblad straight up, as its a potential for (failure to show so far) potential trade. I have faith that Turris will be able to turn it around and become the 2nd line C the Sens have been looking for.
2 things are still bothering me though:
- the 2nd round pick seems like overkill. Could be another 3rd/4th D-man prospect.
- Murray could have gotten a PROVEN 2nd line C player with this package if he made some calls, IMO anyways.
Haha I had a long time to think about this post. I can assure you had I written my take on the trade immediately after the deal it wouldn't have looked like this.
This was really one of those trades you have to sleep on. Can't wait to see Turris on Tuesday.
Rundblad, 3rounder and 6 rounder
Turris
By the way BM Princes and Silfverbergs are good. I'd prefer that he doesn't get rid of 2nd rounders.
Latest on Filatov from @plysenkov: CSKA sponsor & the club are at odds over financing. The KHL agreed to guarantee Filatov's contract #sens
Alfie - Spezza - Greening
MM9 - Turris - Foligno
Daug - Smith - Neil
Condra - Regin - Winchester
Extra: Konopka, Butler (need to trade one of them)
This is a good move!
A LOT of teams were in on Turris so they all saw his potential.
Yeah losing Rundblad hurts as does 2nd rounder, but:
1) Murray will probably recoup that 2nd later; and
2) considering the original request from Maloney was a straight up swap of Turris for Zibanejad, trust me, Murray made the right move!
As always Chirp, keep up the good work!
certainly makes you wonder who's in the long term plans. Zibinejad and Silfverberg are both expected to make the roster next fall.
wonder if they'll send Daug down as a result?
guessing;
9mm spezza greening
regin turris alfie
foligno smith neil
condra winchester butler
while defensive depth is always beneficial, you dont want to end up like the flames where u need to blow the entire budget on the backend.
Michalek - Spezza - Regin
Foligno - Turris - Foligno
K-Dawg - Smith - Greening
Neil - Winchester - Condra/Konopka / Butler
i think one of those folignos is supposed to be alfie...
Sens lineup imo
Alfie spezza mm9
Foligno turris greening
Condra smith butler- bingo 2
Regin winchester/kono pka neil
Cowen gonchar
Kuba karlsson
Phillips lee
Daug to bingo until next trade [deadline day?]
Yeah my bad, Alfie would be on the 2nd line. But like I said how can we explain keeping Regin out of the top 6 and keeping Greening in it? I also think Condra becomes extremely expandable with K-Dawd's better play and ability to score.
I still don't like the deal. I really hope I am wrong.
fyi nhl.com has turris at 195lbs. turris also has similar grit as foligno, not the biggest frame but will get in the dirty areas and likes to throw a hit and can take one too. and i dont know WHERE you read that it says this draft isnt deep.. probably the best draft sinec 2003 if not better. filatov and turris are 2 VERY different players, please dont compare the 2.
It's often said that the best trades are the ones that benefit both teams. I think this trade is going to work out great for Ottawa and Phoenix. It's too bad we had to give up Rundblad, but I'm happy to bring in a guy like Turris.
Also, this trade shows that Murray isn't afraid to make a bold move like so many of us thought he couldn't do. I take back my initial comments and reaction from yesterday when this trade went down.
Who is this 6'8" guy in the NCAA? Adding size to the D would be awesome.
Ben Blood. The only thing he has going for him is his size..
Still not a fan of the thrown in 2nd though.
the 6'8 guy is not any of our draft picks, ben blood isnt 6'8, but hes a great defenceman.
the 6'8 guy is yet to be signed by any team, cuz they do that at the end of the season
Chirp, we said the same thing about Filatov... how did that work out.
my bad
What vet on the Sens will get a return of a second rounder... I don't see any.
The other guy said imho its to early to tell, as both are so new to the league....but he thinks Turris has more be benefit for us than rundblad does for them.
Sandy, Filatov trade happened less than a year ago, way too early to answer how that worked out. Also still just a 3rd round pick we gave up.
Completely agree with your friends. I've read some Phoenix bloggers who think Rundblad doesn't even fit in their top 6D this year. As BM said, Rundblad was going to get shafted for ice time this year for sure.
For what we gave up, he most certainly has to.
U'd think we just gave up the best thing thats ever happened to the sens or something, if Rundblad busts then no he doesnt have to at all. Its not like Turris is the only risk in this trade, if Runblad busts then phx will look like we robbed them. I dont see how you can say for what we gave up when its potential for potential. Trades wouldnt happen if GMs didnt take risks. Sens cud win this trade or thu could lose it, or both teams could benefit thats how it goes.
Your right defense wins chamionships, thats why we have our stud offensive dman already and now we need to build the defensive side of our defense, hense why we have allowed the most goals in the league
Murray and the Stache aren't stupid. They know there is a good chance Ottawa can win this deal. However it's a boom or bust move for Ottawa and a giant risk. If Turris is anything less than a 60 point player consistently Ottawa will probably lose the deal in the long run. I'm hoping as much as any Sens fan that this kid can be a top 3 forward but I'm not holding my breathe. Rundblad was a considerably safer bet to be a big part of this organizations future.
Remember your second center is a first line center playing on the second line, these guys don't grow on trees.
At the World juniors he was best in class at the draw.
Good size, good hands, good wheels, durable, tenacious, big ego, small salary and unlimited potential.
Can and will take some pressure off Jason and that alone could be immeasurable.
Coach Paul loves the guy and he don't love easy...
I also expect we got an elite Offensive center.
the second round pick was the only way we were getting the deal, it was the cost of the trade so it is what it is.
I agree with others this deal is way better than Zibby straight up.
Greening Spezza 9MM
Foligno Turris Alfie
Daugavins Smith Condra
Butler Regin Neil
Winchester Konopka
If there is no trade Regin Winchester Konopka are all gone next year.
I think the deal shows a GM and a coach working in tandem, which should be good for the organisation (if they make the right decisions of coourse).
I get the feeeling that PM is in on all the big moves, this deal, Filatov eyc and so far I'm liking MacLean.
The very earliest to judge this deal is the end of the season, and even then that's too early in my books.
Using last season's stats Turris had: GP 65, 11 G, 14 A for 25 PTS (0.384 PTS/GP) +/- = Even
I've broken his 2010-2011 season down into two categories games where he played less than 10 minutes and games in which he played more than 10 minutes.
1) In games in which he played less than 10 minutes a game he had 21 GP, 1 G, 2 A for 3 PTS. (0.142PTS/GP). He played 9 games in which he actually played less than 6 minutes. 5 out of those 9 games came after last years trade deadline.
2) Games in which he played more than 10 minutes a game he had 44 GP, 10 G, 12 A for 22 PTS (0.50 PTS/GP).
With Maclean's system we will be expecting him to be in category 2) since 2nd line centers play more than 10 minutes a game. Over the course of an 82 GP schedule, he should hover at around 40pts a season, with the right mix of players (in which we have) he should get more than that.
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Turris has upside no doubt but just look at any of their fan boards and see that their fans were absolutely fed up with him. Most figured on a low return for him and were blown away by the package they got.
We on the other hand are almost all upset that Rundblad had to go. He arguably has, even though was drafted at a lower position than Turris, the biggest upside of the two.
That is all fine but the draft pick made it way over the top.
The reality is that there are teams out there who would have given up far better players to us for that package. I'm afraid to even think about the PROVEN quality players we could have gotten for that package.
I will cheer like hell for Turris to suceed here and really hope he does but just once would like to feel happy about a Murray trade the way I do when he drafts.
Haha well played.
Also to Foligno, he didnt return to the Pens game after that knee (although there was only something like 5 min left in the game anyway). Either way....any news weather he dodged a bullet again or are the Sens actually being quiet about a serious injury to him?
Or you could just but a Coyotes jersey and put Runblad's name on it...
...speaking of which, how awesome will Phoenix's defence be a couple of years with Kieth Yandle, Oliver Ekkman-Larsson, Brandon Gormley, Connor Murphy, and Runblad...wow!
I really respect a team that knows the importance of a strong blue-line...
did a youtube search of him and found this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jOSZ4yNrM
he looks like a good kid in the videos, but i still know almost nothing about his actaully play on the ice. these are his stats http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=44405 11points in 20games this year
'The org has defensive depth so he was expendable'
That is serious garbage. Is that's the case get rid of Gonchar or Kuba ffs. You dont trade away a highly rated prospect during a rebuild. Sorry but there's no defending this trade
They didn't give Rundblad away. He was expendable in the sense that they could use him to address another need in the organization. In order to get a young, second line centre, this is what they needed to offer.
I can't believe we would keep Kuba over Rundblad either, or even Carkner for that matter. Don't get me wrong, I like Carkner, but if we had to trade/waive Lee, Kuba, and Carkner to keep Rundblad, we should have. Once he gets through the growing pains he'll be a much more valuable player than Turris (IMO).
Man the Nordiques are going to be really hard to handle in a few years with a d-corps like that. Kinda what I was originally thinking for the Sens.
Pay Attention
I thought we should have used Rundblad as part of a package to move up in the 2011 draft to try to land a top forward prospect. (remember that EDM wanted EK for their 1st? What if we had packaged Rundblad + ?)
It's pretty simple: The Sens needed top end forward talent around the same age as the other kids and it looks like they're not going to get it this draft either.
Opportunities like Turris don't come along often, so they took it.
Let's pull ourselves together on this one people. Turris has potential, let's not chase him out of town before he gets here.
I completely agree here. We want and need him to be happy to be here and join the mentality of the rest of the cardiac kids' hard work ethics rather which comes from really wanting it.
Now I don't want to fall in love with a youtube video again but holy smokes! His release is absolutely ridiculous.
Next thing you know Silfverberg will be traded with a third rounder for Derrick Brassard.
I also don't like the comparisons to the Filatov situation, while similar in that we are taking on someone who had a shitty start on a poorly managed team.. When the trade did happen for Filatov, I watched some interviews and automatically got the sense he was a spoiled, cocky kid and knew he was going to have attitude problems. Turris I don't get that from, and Murray doesn't see it either.
stop being such a fuckin baby, the trade happened and we cant do anything about it. u didnt even give turris a chance yet. i think it affected me alot because rundblad was one of my favorites, but the murrays and coach maclean know more than all of us, and they have my full trust
Tooks probably knew it was going to happen. I mean it was pretty obvious guys !!! haha
Nice video. He's the one who the Sens pretty much begged to be on the roster this year, but wanted to play in Sweden instead, right? Sounds like a great guy.
I'm most excited to see Turris on the powerplay. It will be nice to have a player out there who isn't afraid to shoot the puck.
@ AFM,
The way Spezza and Alfredsson played togther with Greening,
truly showed that they work well as Line 1.
I can also see Foligno- Turris- Michalek as Line 2.
Alfredsson and Michalek could be switched, as well as Foligno and Greening!!
Do not expect more trading by B.Murray, till trade deadline.
"To get a top six forward, you definitely have to pay for it -- there's no doubt about that," Senators general manager Bryan Murray said about the deal. "We like David Rundblad and we think, three years down the road in our situation, he would have been a real good fit -- possibly as early as next year. But at the moment ... he was going to get shuffled aside likely for the balance of the year. To be fair to him and fair to us, we thought we could get an asset (that), with the type of game our team is playing now and the level our team is competing at on a nightly basis ... we think can come in here and add to the mix right at the moment.
We hope Kyle is a good second-line centerman who will come in and play hard."
Add to the mix? I thought we were trying to rebuild the right way! I'm a big Murray fan but I'm starting to question the direction this team is starting to go...
In the SEL Rundblad video we saw him coming down from the point with the puck, beating one or two guys, then getting off shot for a goal. In the NHL we saw him beating one guy off the point, having nothing to shoot at, and losing the puck because he ran out of time and space and didn't know what to do. The SEL is a good league, but it is *much* different than the NHL.
Regin - Spezza - Michalek
Foligno - Turris - Alfreson
K-Dawg - Smith - Condra
Greening- Winchester - Neil
The last two lines will have similar ice time and the coach will go with whoever is hot.
Filatov never got a real crack on a long term position and neither did Rundblad, I feel like on a rebuilding team you need to let your talent delvelop and at least see what you have.
Most importantly though, Turris is unproven, and so is Rundblad, so it could go either way. IMO this was not a good move but I hope I'm proved wrong....
http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/12/18/terrific-turris-a-great-fit-for-sens
I really hope he is ready to come to Ottawa next season... he is just too good... what a second line winger...
So every player thats less then a hundred pounds cant compete? sorry but thats probably half the nhl that cant compete by your figures.. Nice try though
Can't wait to see what this kid is made of, and I love the Pang reviews! Go Turris Go
I tend to agree that those guys are somewhat the surplus (maybe Kenopka re-signs because of the tough-guy character dimension). The smart thing to do, especially with Regin, would be to include him as part of trade package at the trade deadline. That way we get assets and not just lose him for nothing.
As far as your line combos are concerned, I think Winchester stays in, Butler goes out and Regin is not the 4th line centreman (still can't take faceoffs due to his crappy shoulder...)
How long is the leash on Turris and 2nd line C minutes??
Weird indeed. Why wouldn't he keep his 91? I'm sure we're not retiring Daigle's jersey anytime soon...
Kid gets traded for 7, he wants to be 7. Great
Let's hope he can fandangle through some people on Tuesday and rip one home in his first game. Get the path of success laid out early...
I was mad yesterday but BM has made great moves for us of late, Karlsson is a dish master and Cowen will be a force and point producer. Other D in the minors waiting as well.
DR had flashes of brilliance and would have benefited from a season in the AHL. Next year, the blue line will be less crowded.
Turris may be more seasoned but next year, we'll have a glut of forwards.
Is Turris going to be better (now) than Foligno and Regin? Will he be better (next year) than Zibby, DaCosta, Butler, Silferberg and this year's top pick? Is he going to be good enough to replace Spezza in 5-8 years?
I'm still stuck in neutral over this one...
Not sure if I like #7 for Turris. 91 is a pretty sick number.
I just think that with
Karlsson-Cowen
Rundblad-Another shut down guy
That blueline would be one of the best in a few years.
reassured by Head Coach MacLean, that he should be a great
addition, and should become our 2c right off the bat!
Losing David Rundblad, and a 2nd rounder was steep, but it's
up to Turris to prove his worth on our team !!
Will see if Kyle Turris can prove that PraiseAlfie84 was wrong about this trade and re-build !!
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, IF (big if) Murray doesn't deal anyone for picks at the deadline.
Unless I'm completely forgetting something? Also, we have Nashville's 3rd rounder as well. So by my count, 1, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
BM will get at least one 2nd round back when he will trade either Kuba or Gonchar in March. In BM I trust.
GO SENS GO
Latest twist in the Filatov drama: his agent asks the KHL to facilitate a trade from CSKA if the club doesn't complete paperwork by midnight
dchesnokov Dmitry Chesnokov
Filatov's agent also tells RIAN that if CSKA doesn't sign the player or trade him, Filatov will return to Ottawa. #Sens
I think the Sens just want to bury the #91 past experience (Daigle) in the past. LOL
CSKA struggle to reach agreement with new sponsors Rosneft, Filatov signing under threat
CSKA Moscow president Vyacheslav Fetisov revealed he struggles to find common ground with the club’s new main sponsor Rosneft, which is puts the signing of the Ottawa Senators forward Nikita Filatov under threat.
«Filatov wants to return to CSKA, but some poorly coordinated actions jeopardize his future career. Fans also have the right to know what the team will look like and what is happening at the club,» Fetisov said as quoted by RIA Novosti.
Good pick might be a 2nd at the most or likely a 3rd rounder though. Butler has been a major disappointment for all of us I think. He only brings one dimension to our team, and that is scoring goals. And he's not shooting/gettin g open enough to score. I think Regin and Butler will be the first shipped out as players like Condra /Greening/Smith /Daugavins have all proven they're ready for a steady NHL role.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Butler go on waivers either with his one-way contract.
Can you update later who Turris skated with today at practise please and thank you
Definitely. They are on the ice at 11. He is expected to be out there.
Yeah the thing Pauly Mac likes about Turris' game is that he SHOOTS the puck. Kid loves to shoot so I am hoping we play him with Alfie and Foligno on Tuesday. I just hope this kid can win draws too.
lets make things clear here, Turris is our youngest player and is just one year older than Rundblad.
Now for those saying they would rather not make trades and build through the drfat. well we didn't even freaking draft Rundblad.
Finally, In Canada we hype prospects to enormous levels. Rundblad is good, he will be great. But regardless he is our #3 best Dman prospect and we just traded for someone who is essentially a #1 overall prospect for any team
Again, OUR #3 DMAN SPEIFICALLY PROSPECT for their #1 prospect
I would now rank Turris only behind Karlsson and ahead of Cowen on our Young Gun Depth Chart
This is a rebuild, and fits what we wantr to accomplish.
BTW this is much better than the Rundblad for Pajajrvi rumors floating out there
You're right, I think this tarde fits in perfectly with the Rebuild. Turris is 22, not 32.
Also, keep in mind that the Coyotes wanted Zibanejad or our first pick next year, so I think BM did well.
Can't wait for tommorow.
GO! SENS! GO!
I think a fresh city will do him good a la Heatley!
If Michalek is cleared to play, Turris should be on a line combo of :
Foligno - Turris - Alfredsson !!
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's sexy! All the Eastern teams who thought they would have 6 wins against us are all probably thinking twice!
Karlsson and Cowen are (or will be) the #1 and 2 Dmen on this team. That leaves Rundblad as a the #3 at best.
Do you trade a potential #3 Dman for a potential #2 C? Of course you do. The added 2nd rounder seems a bit much but I guess that's the price of doing business.
This deal could work out huge. Zbad seems versatile and can move to wing. The future is looking bright!!
I really hope to see Michalek back in action soon, I still have hopes that we will trade him come trade deadline no matter what position we are in. If Michalek is still in the hunt for the Richard, I think we could easily get a 1st rounder and prospect for him. He won't be repeating this season again with his unfortunate history of injuries. Need to trade him at his highest value.
It's a great problem to have if Foligno is our #3 Center and Smith is #4. Depth at Center is a great thing to have, ask the Penguins.
Since when did Rundblad become the poster boy for defense?
This exactly.. It's a risk and all and we probably paid a little much with that 2nd rounder, but this deal is not as bad as people are making it...
In Murray we trust!
Jack that up to 30% given the DEEP DRAFT everyone keeps talking about
Big deal 1/3 chance the guy Phoenix picks is a NHLer.. Probably a bottom 6 anyways.
We will get picks when we move Regin and another Dman at the deadline.
The actual problem is what to do with Winchester...an d Regin...and Da Costa. All the guys that are almost good enough, but not quite yet, to nail down a starting job. Assuming Turris can hold the 2C role and everyone else bumps down a line, we're all the sudden very strong down the middle. Same problem remains for us though, is too many spare parts.
Agreed. We have a lot of "could be good" guys and soon they will find their places taken by "should be good" prospects
Winchester is a battler who I think the coaches like so could hang around. Regin is the one player who, with the addition of Turris, has become truly redundant. I think he's gone at the deadline. Da Costa hasn't done enought to warrant a 1 way deal so far and if he won't accept a 2 way contract in the off season I think he's gone.
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Winchester is a battler who I think the coaches like so could hang around. Regin is the one player who the addition of Turris truly redundant. I think he's gone at the deadline. Da Costa hasn't done enought to warrant a 1 way deal so far and if he won't accept a 2 way contract in the off season I think he's gone.
This is where I wish real life was more like NHL'11. "I'll package all my leftovers together for your elite prospects. How does 9 potential 3rd liners sound for your 1st line C?"
Who could refuse that?
Foligno-Turris-Condra
Smith-Regin-Neil
Daugavins-Konopka-Winchester
Foligno-Turris-Condra
Smith-Regin-Neil
Daugavins-Konopka-Winchester
Condra keeping MM9 spot warm but the Bottom 6 will be overloaded
Listening to Pierre on the radio today just made it sound even better for Ottawa. I was happy I kept myself from jumping into the frenzy of posting about how bad this was. I really thought Rundblad was going to be part of the future, but I think Ottawa fans may be very happy with the tenacity we see from Turris.
GO =O= GO
Are Gonchar and/or Kuba on the ice?
A smart, creative, two-way forward playing with a younger player's first game with new teammates. What isn't there to like about that?? I'll never understand people's dislike of Condra or understanding the fact that he is a perfect fill-in/utility player on any line.
i think the condra, smith, daugavins line should be left untouched. those guys have some amazing chemistry together.
that leaves neil and regin to be bounced.
I think neil would be just fine next to konopka and winchester, their style fits - rough and in your face.
Regin should maybe get one more chance up top next to turris-foligno. don't forget he performed well as a winger against the pens two years ago in the playoffs playing as a winger with spezza.
http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/12/18/terrific-turris-a-great-fit-for-sens
Condra is Ryan Shannon 2.0
I see a bit of Shannon and Kelly in his play, ironically both girl/boy names.
And yes... did anyone see any of the old farts skating on the back-end (Gonch or Kuba)?
#7 and Kuba/Gonchar were both on the ice.
Neil or Foligno comes to mind. I don't think we should trade Foligno, but who knows where he fits in on this team, he is so border 2nd/3rd line.
I don't think Murray would be willing to trade either of them. Foligno is having a career year, and is currently playing like a top 6 forward, on pace for 48 pts.
Neil will likely remain a Senator for the rest of his career. He has too much value to this team, especially with so many young guys around over the next couple years.
I think our expendable players are Regin, Butler, Konopka, Kuba, and Gonchar.
Winchester and Carkner are guys that could be moved but I like what both of them bring to the team. Winnie's a pretty good 4th line center and Maclean loves the guy. He plays him in every situation pretty much.
I don't think either should be moved, but those are both 2nd round pick value players.
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You've made us all dumber for reading this.
~Peluso
Hey. Try to enjoy life every once and a while.
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Hey,
Who let this guy into SensChirp's Sacred Land ??
Must have been Fail4Nail !!
Why do you post such garbage, before these 2 players ( Turris & Rundblad ), have played at least 3 months with their new teams ??
Completely disagree. Condra is a young Chris Kelly. Almost identicle game.
We are all trying to figure out who will go where now because everyone is confident we have found a 2nd line center in Turris. Hopefully.
We also have a lot of young guys playing better than we all expected (thanks to Coach Mac) and most of us are worried they may get bumped down and lost in the shuffle.
There is nothing wrong with guys like Regin or Smith being bumped down a line because we know what they bring and that won't change, but having Turris only adds something that wasn't there before.
Can't wait to watch this team tomorrow night.
Praise Alfie!
michalek-spezza-greening
foligno-turris-alfie
condra-smith-neil
winchester-konopka-daugavins
Regin for Konopka or Greening when necessary
Butler has played himself out
As for Turris, we have to see what the guy can do with some decent ice time and linemates. Just because he was drafted in the first round, doesn't make him a superstar but we shoudl give him a chance before crying foul on the deal (for those of you who are doing that.)
I think it's a great deal. For anyone who watched the team every game this year will notice that Rundblad looked nervous every time he handled the puck. He wasn't going to work for us and we have a lot of horses in the stable, so it's the best thing for him and us in the end.