Disappointing to see the Filatov experiment end this way.
Obviously there is still a chance he could return to the organization next season but it's pretty obvious he has some work to do. For what it's worth, I thought Filatov worked hard in the games he was given but like I've said before, practice may have been another story.
It is speculation on my part but you have to assume that Filatov's decision to threaten returning to the KHL if he wasn't given a shot with the big club really didn't sit well with the organization. Since Paul MacLean's arrival in Ottawa he has made it clear that ice time is to be earned and in his assessment anyway, Filatov did not earn that time.
That's how Bob McKenzie explained it. His contract still expires at the end of the year though.
Has to be an attitude problem and they just don't want to throw him under the bus...
Ottawa Senators knew Nikita Filatov was headed back to Russia weeks ago...surprised he waited this long to make it official
This would explain the reluctance to put him into the line up.
I think that's difficult. They need to be careful to make sure it doesn't look like they are just throwing him under the bus.
The fact that he couldn't consistently break into one of the worst top 6s in the NHL says a bunch though.
I don't know what he was (or wasn't) doing that upset MacLean and the rest of the coaches but it must have pretty bad.
So he'll be our RFA at the end of the season. have to doubt that we will want to re-sign him though.
Sad to see. I don't think it was a matter of him not trying. He's the type of guy who has all the potential but can't find a way to get it done on the ice. Whether or not that's his fault I don't know.
Ok that does make sense...
In a way it sucks with how it went down, but at the same time I've got to like the way Maclean is no nonsense, he won't be pushed around and that can only be a good thing with a bunch of young players that will crack the lineup in the next few years. He will instill a good system here I think..
He obviously wasn't ready for the NHL anyway. He definitely won't be missed.
A bigger question is what happens if he tears it up in the KHL? Do we think about offering him a contract for next year?
I think once Kuba and Gonchar are back on we probably will see Matt Carkner moved and Rundblad sent to the AHL to improve.
i think one of the big keys to the sens success for the remainder of the season is going to be Regin's performance. If he finally starts realizing his perceived potential, then the sens have decent insurance on their top two lines.
But I really believe it was Maclean sticking to his guns, and the minute he was "threatened" in the play me or I go to Russia stance, he told Filatov to eff off. Not that Maclean has an ego but thats not the attitude he wants and he will not be forced. So by doing this it shows to the fans and players that he will not be stepped on
Sidenote: you think this may have the datsyuk effect? he is known as one fo the hardest working Russians in the entire league, so Maclean has seen Datsyukl for how many years? So I'm sure thats his basis for the Russians here on out. Why do you get to float when the best Russian in the league works his arse off game in game out
I downloaded the Flipboard app on my iPhone, I see a link to your twitter account, but nothing to your page specifically. I found one RSS feed but that doesn't look to have been updated in 200+ days, I think it's from your old site. Any RSS plans for this site?
All Murray has to do is extend a qualifying offer and even if he stays in Russia we maintain his rights. Seems like a simple paper transaction to keep him in the fold as he wouldn't be a UFA for 4 more seasons after this one.
Limited the updates to Twitter so as to not overwhelm people with info that were not participating. There were two lucky winners and a third that just narrowly missed out.
Would definitely be interested to hear the stories of people that were on the Hunt though!
What would it take to get Ryan? I expect picks, and a top 6, but I'd be interested in knowing if Ottawa has thought about it. Ryan on a top line with Spezza would be very very good!!!
not happening, end of story, no discussion here
It's disappointing, but at the same time it's really not a big deal.
Officially requesting a contest that does not require transportation or repeated refreshing of a webpage (I understand this sounds complain-y). Really liked the write-in submission idea you used to get Tom and would very much appreciate a contest based on a written piece, or perhaps a draw, where everyone has an equal chance to win, regardless of spare time, webpage-refresh ing-ability transportation etc.
Just a thought, no biggie.
so if he is a RFA at the end of this season, does that mean an offer needs to be tendered before training camp?
If that is that case, then he will never be a sen again, cause I really doubt ottawa would offer him a contract, and I would be very surprised if he would accept one if they did.
Ottawa, if they had been willing to put in any effort for this kid, could have made this a great steal.
Stupid coach, stupid manager.
No impressed with the coach, no matter what people say about our record.
I think this sets the tone for the rebuild. Simple. Play hard, strong, smart and you will be rewarded.
We have no shortage of talent in the pipes, so take a page from Lee's book when things don't go your way. Shut up, learn, return and play.
Good luck Filatov, would have loved to have your talent on our team... but alas I will not lose sleep over this.
Oh yeah, 88 minutes is sure enough. Give you head a shake. He wasn't given any minutes, and he was stuck on the 4th line. Only the first and last game he played here was he on top line.
Stupid Sens.
When's baseball season start.
Kleinendorst on Nikita Filatov to #KHL: "If that's really where he wants to be, then I'm behind it because he's a good kid." #BSens #Sens
If he had shown the proper work ethic, he could have made the right impression with a mere quarter of those 88 minutes. Filatov is a scorer not a checker, but under MacLean he's expected to backcheck, forecheck, take a hit to continue the cycle, go to the net/in the corners - just like everyone else.
We expect those things of our superstars (Spezza/Michale k will take hits to make the necessary play) and grinders (regardless of stature) alike.
I also suspect there's a lot about Filatov the average fan doesn't see/hear.
What's the story, Morning Glory ?
He's an RFA, we retain his rights as per normal RFA rules.
Filatov is a great talent, just still has a ways to go until he's NHL ready. Worst case he never comes back, but the more likely case is he comes back in a year or two as his dream is the NHL as well.
Paul MacLean when asked if Filatov had a fair shake: "He was in the lineup lots and got to play with our best players."
Completely agree. He got the playing time he deserved and not a minute more or less.
Even after his playing time on the 4th line the team saw he needed to play more.. and at that time he would not replace anyone on the top 2 lines so they sent him to Bingo to play big minutes.
All he did was whine. The only time he played hard there was after his demand NHL or Russia and Murray told him to play and wait until end of November.
Right now who was Filatov going to replace on the top 2 lines? No one.
Murray stated he needed to get stronger. If he does that.. maybe he tries next season to come back.. if not... gamble lost.. let's move on.
Take as an example -- Brian Lee last season or even this season... work you ass off in practice and you will get your ice time.
When Kuba & Gonchar are back decisions had to be made re: they would have had 24 players -- one had to go somewhere..
You should have talked more with Zach Smith and Chris Neil.
Wow, quick end to that question. Happy to know that NOBODY has a thought on it.
That is assuming we give these prospects any ice time.
WTF, how is this a fiasco? The chance of him making our team this year was pretty slim, why is everyone overreacting so much at this news!
I'd say no. He's 31, has only once scored 20 goals, and really is more a 3rd line player. Not the type of player we need, we have plenty of these types.
https://twitter.com/#!/SunGarrioch
Not a word about Filatov yet.
Remember before the season kicked off, the complaints that came about when certain individuals mentioned Foligno as a possible2nd line C option? Well, what do you all think now? Personally, he's earned it with hard work, drive and grit and I think he'll continue to run with it. 9 Points in 9 Games, way to go!!!
and Brian Lee.
As for the hunt, all i have to say was i was so close..
You should do it again Chirp
Foligno - Spezza - Michalek
Greening - Regin - Alfredsson
Should Greening not fit in, try Daugavins .
No more trying of 3rd-4th line players in top 2 lines !
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure. Why do we always try to pick up ANYONE who is placed on waivers just for a change in team? The second someone is placed on waivers, we always feel the need to take a chance in picking up the first guy that is placed. We're sitting at .500 and instead of getting 6th overall like last year, might be better this year and select 10th. We draft him and work with our abundance of draft picks from the last couple years and build off of that. No need whatsoever in picking up nobodies for the sake of doing so.
Puempel - Spezza - Stone
Michalek - Zibanejad - Noesen
Prince - Pageau - Silfverberg
Foligno - Smith - Neil
And of course to keep the people happy here, all bottom 6 can be at any time changed to be in the top 6 accordingly to the coach.
There's a flaw in your strategy. Ottawa has no choice but to put 3rd and 4th liners in the top six, because they don't have 6 top six guys. This year, and maybe next, are all about plugging guys in and hoping for the best.
He has been taken off the market since the coaching change and we would have to give up way to much to get him. I'm pretty sure that's the direction he was sending you...
It was beaten to death 2 weeks ago, and even when the Ryan rumors were floating around the league, Chirp and every other Sens media outlet confirmed Murray was not interested. The asking price was top 6 forward, top prospect + 1st round pick as the beginning offer
So like I said not happening
@ BOOM,
Maybe my flaw, will become unflawed, without signing a very expensive top 6 player ??
I this very hard to believe. If he would have been playing in the NHL he wasn't going to leave. Pretty sure he didn't know whether he'd be playing 'weeks ago', then how could he 100% know he was headed for Russia. I call bullshit.
That being said, no big loss.
There is absolutely none of this negativity going on between the org and Filatov that so many media and fans are throwing on him. As I've said, KHL is home to him, gives him a better salary, and is debatably comparable to the AHL as quality of league. Only makes sense he'd want to go the KHL instead of the AHL. Look forward to seeing him back here in a year or two!
http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/audio-bryan-murray-on-filatov-returning-to-russia
YES! He'll be back! Most 3rd round picks don't become NHL players.
Of course lol
No I ask you, revisit all of the sens Third round selections in past 10 years. How many stick?
OR YAKUPOV ! Lol Just kidding Sens Army
Howson 2 Murray 1 - Time to block Howson's phone # Bryan.
Sad to see Filatov go but he was becoming more of a distraction more than. Kid needs to learn to play in traffic and be a bit more hungry on the puck. Never showed any chemistry with anyone here either. KHL is perfect for him. Big ice, no hitting and much more perimeter hockey. Good Luck Filly
** I bolded the only two every day NHLers we have drafted in past 11 years in the 3rd round. So yes, I would say it was worth the risk, and still is
2010: Jakub Culuk (yet to play in NHL)
2009: No Pick
2008: Zach Smith (101gp 28pts)
2007: Loui Caporusso (Yet to play in NHL)
2006: Eric Gryba (Yet to Play in NHL)
2006: Kaspars Daugauvins (22gp 7pts)
2005: Vitali Anikeyenko (Yet to play in NHL)
2004: Shawn Weller (Yet to PLay in NHL)
2004: Peter Regin (147gp 51pts)
2004: Jeff Glass (Yet to play in NHL)
2003: Philippe Seydoux (Yet to play in NHL)
2002: Arttu Luttinen (Yet to Play in NHL)
2001: Neil Komadoski (Yet to Play in NHL)
2000: Jan Bohac (Yet to PLay in NHL)
** I bolded the only two every day NHLers we have drafted in past 11 years in the 3rd round. So yes, I would say it was worth the risk, and still is
2010: Jakub Culuk (yet to play in NHL)
2009: No Pick
2008: Zach Smith (101gp 28pts)
2007: Loui Caporusso (Yet to play in NHL)
2006: Eric Gryba (Yet to Play in NHL)
2006: Kaspars Daugauvins (22gp 7pts)
2005: Vitali Anikeyenko (Yet to play in NHL)
2004: Shawn Weller (Yet to PLay in NHL)
2004: Peter Regin (147gp 51pts)
2004: Jeff Glass (Yet to play in NHL)
2003: Philippe Seydoux (Yet to play in NHL)
2002: Arttu Luttinen (Yet to Play in NH
From the 14 years of 3rd rounders, only 3 are still with the Sens : Regin, Smith, Daugavins Ratio is a bit over 20% !!
No. Too expensive for what he does.
But while compiling that previous draft list, I looked up Sens draft picks who have scored +100pts in their CAREER drafted in any round but the 1st
We have drafted 11 players in 20 years of drafting to score over 100pts beyond the 1st round. That seems ridiculously low
In order of points:
1- Alfie 1039pts
2- Pavol Demitra RIP 768pts
3- Mike Fisher 373pts
4- Antoine Vermette 304pts
5- Sami Salo 294pts
6- Brooks Laich 256pts
7- Andreas Dackell 250pts
8- Magnus Arvedson 209pts
9- Chris Kelly 199pts
10- Chris Neil 179pts
11- Karel Rachunek RIP 140pts
http://www.hockeydrunk.com/hockey/odds-of-a-draft-pick-playing-a-nhl-game
Here's the success rate per round. Muckler's reign definitely brings our numbers down.
Here's the success rate per round. Muckler's reign definitely brings our numbers down.
lol... that is a link to this page.
Haha, woops here's the right one. Went back and fixed the original post, thanks for the correction.
http://www.hockeydrunk.com/hockey/odds-of-a-draft-pick-playing-a-nhl-game
Who are the Sens homers on TSN and Sportsnet?
I've seen that stat before, but thats not the point I was trying to prove. I was focussing more on point producion from Sens draft picks. I know its rare to get production, so more or less trying to see if the Sens have done good (better than odds) or bad (worse than odds)
When you play the lottery and spend $5 on a lotto max and don't win, did the OLG STEAL your money? No because there is inherent risk involved
ummm we've got a prospect that is going to play in a place where he is more comfortable. I'm thinking that by going home he'll get his confidence up, which will help him and the organization long term cause he'll come back a better player. I'm sure Murray is thinking the same thing...if Murray DOESN'T qualify him, THEN you're right, but as long as he's in the organization...
LOL.. I was thinking the same thing..
Yup I get it, was just throwing in an extra resource to compare to.
Sigh. No it will not. First of all, by the time the deadline rolls around there won't be a whole lot of season left, so the math is better for us. Secondly, just about every team will have salary they'd like to dump as well so it's not exactly a bad thing to have that much cap room.
Since the lockout, please name me ONE single team that has missed the floor or had to do something drastic to get there (i.e. give up picks to get salary or something).
The way people fret about the floor baffles me.
We don't know that it is completely over.. It is over for this year.. but the Sens will be qualifying him next season to retain his rights.
He has to learn to be more competitive in the games... and get stronger. If he really wants to play in the NHL -- he will have to work at it.
He is an RFA for 4 more years, I believe.... and if the Sens keep qualifying him.. they retain his rights.
He is talented... he just has to learn to apply himself in the games on a more consistent basis.
While I agree that Filatov was worth the 3rd round pick (still possible that he becomes a regular Senator in the future), you have to factor in that many of the players on your list might still pan out. Third rounders can often take longer to develop etc. I would argue that at least 2-3 guys on your list will eventually become every day NHL players.
But again, agree in spirit that a 3rd round pick for a first round pick can't really be called a bad trade.
Sigh. You don't need to sound condescending, the cap is calculated on a daily basis which means that salaries must equal the cap floor every day. Trading Kuba could put us beneath the floor because the salaries left on the roster would not add up to the cap floor. It doesn't matter that there would only be 1/3 of his salary left.
AHL sucks compared to the NHL or the KHL if you are russian or SEL if you are a swede.
Having said that I respect Lehner Petersson doing their time preparing for the NHL even if the AHL sucks.
Silverburg bailed on the chance of having to spend time in the AHL, no bashing there.
I'm not 100% clear on what you are saying, but the cap calculation would still include Kuba's salary up until the point he is traded. So if he plays 2/3 of the season on the Sens, only 1/3 of his salary will come off the books once he's traded, the other 2/3 remain on the sens. I'm not sure if you were saying the same thing a diff way or not, but it does matter that only part of his salary will be left.
Current Team Salary without Filatov: $50,272,023
Team Salary minus 1/3 of Kuba's salary: ~ $49,038,689
Cap Floor: $48.3 million
Sorry if I sound condescending, but I still don't think you get it. The salary cap/floor is calculated based on your current roster not changing until the end of the season. So if we trade Kuba at the deadline (it won't happen before then) what we've paid him up until then still counts. Even if technically every player on our roster that day adds up to less than the floor - as long as by the end of the season we'd still be over the floor paying that roster.
Besides, my main point was that it will be pretty easy for Murray to take salary back without hurting any deals. Not to mention we have guys in the minors that could be called up, once there are roster spots, who will then count against the cap (Da Costa for one).
Bottom line - it will not be hard for Murray to stay above the floor.
If I remember correcly (no sure thing in itself), Tookie and I debated the merits of this deal when it happened. I was very optomistic - Tookie was less so. Score 1 for Tookie...
A little off topic I know that we should all stay on topic.
If the Senators get a draft pick in the top 12 I would like to see Murray trade for a second first round pick later in the round like what Murray did by picking Pumpel if Murray can get a later first round I would like to see the Senators draft Tom Wilson.
I'd like for Ottawa to draft another promising goalie to challenge Lehner. Not in the first round of course. It make me nervous that the organisation seems to have put all their eggs in the Lehner basket after Andy is gone. It's always good to have 2 good goalies in the system.
Caporusso, Culek and Gryba are also still in the organisation.
Yes, it was.
I'd take the chance again.
So if we trade Kuba at the deadline (it won't happen before then) what we've paid him up until then still counts. Even if technically every player on our roster that day adds up to less than the floor - as long as by the end of the season we'd still be over the floor paying that roster.
I was under the impression that the cap is not a finite number for the season, but floats day to day and only includes roster players. Hence, the need for budget teams to leave injured players on the roster without using LTIR to remove their cap hit. I don't believe you get to carry a cap hit forward just because you have been over the cap for part of the season, it doesn't allow you to be under for the remainder. Therefore, you could have a salary of $64 million up until trade deadline day, trade away all your high paid players, and you would still have to maintain a roster of players whose cap hit must equal the salary floor.
And the KHL and SEL sucks for transition to the NHL compared to the AHL...
Having said that I respect Lehner Petersson doing their time preparing for the NHL even if the AHL sucks.
Silverburg bailed on the chance of having to spend time in the AHL, no bashing there.
I know he's a good player, but I think he will go down as a Lindros...
on a side note: filatov is going to CSKA to join other former senators in Ilya Zubov and Alexei Yashin
I can't find a good video of the hit. From what I could see on youtube it was a pretty routine play.
Yeah I think he called it a 'scrum'... things happen there all the time. But he did call Foligno a dirty player. I wonder if the Canucks are thinking the same thing now?
Chirp... that 3rd round pick for Filatov.. was a good gamble by my opinion. They have not given up on this 21 yrs old... there still maybe a future.
Sens went into last draft with 12 picks.. came out with 10 prospects + Filatov.
2 wks until the WJC.. love that time of year. Really interested to see Zibby & Claesson.
atleast lindros can grow facial hair
Caporusso, Culek and Gryba are also still in the organisation.[/quote
Sorry about my error!
What I meant was, that only 3 players are on the Sens active NHL roster !]
Smith, Regin, and Daugavins who is a very promising 2 way player!
Filatov wants to be paid well and he won't get that if he's not in the NHL. The KHL is going to give him big money and he'll continue to develop. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he took at shot at training camp again next season. The Sens have his rights and that's really all that matters.
Odds were always low he'd amount to anything. That's why we got him for a 3rd round pick. He's still got the potential and he's still a risk. We'll just have to wait and see.
Would it be possible to get an update on Mark Stone from the world junior camp? Havent heard his name mentioned after the red/game last night.
Thanks
Ah okay I see where you're confused. The cap and floor represent real "against the cap" spending over the entire season. So you can adjust your team cap number during the season by moving players, LTIR etc. But it's half "so far" and half projection. The "so far" is literally based on each player's cap hit and how many days they've been on the roster. The projection is based on the assumption that every player on the roster "now" stays until the end of the year. So in your example, you could carry a roster with a cap hit of $64M for 2/3 of the season (~$43 in "so far" cap) and then play the last third with beer league guys making the NHL minimum. Of course you couldn't start the next season with the beer league roster.
Ah okay I see where you're confused. The cap and floor represent real "against the cap" spending over the entire season. So you can adjust your team cap number during the season by moving players, LTIR etc. But it's half "so far" and half projection. The "so far" is literally based on each player's cap hit and how many days they've been on the roster.
Thanks for the info. Unless we move another 3 million in salaries on top of Kuba, we shouldn't have to take back any salary, which hopefully is the plan unless someone dangles a young player with upside. I'd rather see us accumulate more picks to rebuild with and/or use as trade potential in the near future to speed up the rebuild.
Scored in the shoot-out, believe he was on team Red.
All I got from Sportscentre today.
he also took a diving penalty in the scrimmage. and not because he is a future senator. he actually did dive, i havent watched the scrimmage or the "dive" my self though
im too excited for this guy. He can do it all!!!
I like this kid, and it's too bad he has to play on a team full of pussies like Kesler, Burrows, and Lapierre.
Is it a surprise to anyone that I'm dropping mad Eggers and air biscuits all around my house? - NO, but it IS news worthy, based, if nothing else, on the fact that it's fun to read.
Now, to all the Filatov lovers out there, don't get upset that in this metaphor I'm likening Filo to my flatulence. It's gonna be ok... I'll still be rippin' out the egger-bombs in 1 or 2 years when Filo is back.
~Peluso
I'm starting to think Mark Stone is gonna be the next Rick Nash.
I see a lot of simillar qualities.
CSKA's official press release states Filatov "will hold negotiations today about possibly signing a contract w/the club." Possibly?
All I can say to this is......LMFAO!! !
Filly don't do negotiations.