With Foligno adjusting, or readjusting, to his role as a centre, there is suddenly less urgency to address the role of second line centre through trade. Add to that the fact that Peter Regin is back skating with the team and it appears as though Bryan Murray may be able to hold off on a deal.
There is no timetable for a return for Regin but listening to MacLean talk today, it sounded as though the plan is to give him another shot at that role when he returns.
If that doesn't pan out, the Sens know they can turn to Foligno in a pinch.
In a season where names like Karlsson, Spezza, Michalek and Smith have been grabbing all the headlines, Foligno has quietly put together a solid season. Playing both wing and centre, Foligno has picked up 8 goals and 17 points which puts him fifth in team scoring.
Aaron Portzline (@Aportzline), of the Columbus Dispatch, tweeted today that the Hurricanes offered Tomas Kaberle and a 2nd round pick for Derick Brassard about a month ago and the offer was refused. While this doesn't show you exactly what the market is for Brassard, it does give you an idea of the general ball park.
I would think the Jackets would prefer to take a younger player back rather than a bad contract like Kaberle's.
While Murray will continue to scan the market for options, the play of Nick Foligno is giving the club some flexibility.
Glad he has.
Folingo is having a great season you'd think its a contract year or something ?
I didn't find last season THAT bad, it just wasn't much of a progression due to the makeup of our team last year (i.e., everything seemed to suck).
It was technically a "career" year in points for Foligno (I use scare quotes because it was only by 2 points and with 3 less goals), but it wasn't horrible. I think the biggest thing is that we all wanted him to have that "breakout" year last year (especially have the pre-season), and because of how bad our team was, he didn't have maybe the same opportunity he might have this year.
Right now he's on pace for about 50 points... not saying he will get there, but it looks like this season is maybe the one we have been waiting for (knock on wood).
No need to make a panic trade for a centre
Why didn't we thing of this before?!?! If Butler keeps slumping we should just trade him for Turris. Brilliant!
Next year we make the playoffs, the following year we make a run for the cup.
so you are saying after this year when we have many players trying to get a new contract and this gives us a chance to clear the logjam on D and forwards, we should sign more free agent players.. brilliant
New poster here...
You seem to be in the know. Although we may understand why Columbus did not want Kaberle (a player on the decline on a bad contract), do you think Howson would take Butler and a second draft choice for Brassard?
Thanks.
Would it make sense now that Neil is back, to sit Konopka out? I am a huge fan of Konopka's play, however, the last few games he hasn't done too much.
Say we sit Konopka out, drop Butler to another line and bring in Filatov?
Would that work? Give us a little more 'firepower' against the Caps?
I really like Greening but I think he is getting way too much ice-time- he is not a first line winger.
I'd like to see what Foligno could do with the same minutes as Greening is getting on the top-line.
Thoughts?
I don't like when people say someone isn't 1st line winger. Has greening looked awful? No. has he been slowing down the rest? No. He has been keeping up and was producing. So I think on a team like Ottawa he is a 1st line winger. On a team like Boston obviously not, but he is that big body prescience we need infront of the net
His game is driving to the outside, picking up some speed, then cutting in.
This year, that extra speed/strength is really helping him squeak through checks along the boards and control the puck down low. He's much harder to take off the puck now.
Whether it's Butler or Konopka, I certainly hope MacLean puts Filatov back in the line up tonight. Although, always tough to change after a win.
Also, you can see he's making an effort to get to the front of the net more often.
My god I hate this statement, and Ive heard soooooo often. Filatov was the only flier we ever took from Columbus in hopes of turning him around.
LEclair was not a reclamation project! I repeat stop lumping the leclair deal in with filatov and brassard! Leclair was a bonafide #1 goalie when we got him
Now onto lineups. I agree about greening not playing with spezza. He hasn't been able to compliment Spezza very much since his torrid start. when regin gets back:
Michalek-Spezza-Filatov/Regin
Greening/Regin-Foligno-Alfie
Daug-Smith-Condra
Winnie-konops-butler-neil-greening-filatov
*when filatov plays try him top line, if he fails than put regin there
EEEYYYORREEEEE! !!
(sorry had to do it)
1 good season doesnt make you a "bonafide #1 goalie".
Come on man, LeClair wasnt a #1, hell he hadnt even played a full season yet (60+ games) and then got hurt 12 games into the 08-09 season where he was terrible.
Agree with you Tookie !!
Trading Vermette for Leclair was never a good move by Ottawa .
Would you please explain the meaning of EEEYYYORREEEEE ??
I have no idea, Ask Dork, he apparently uses it daily...
I have been critical of Foligno in the past but he is actually producing this year which is awesome. last year he would skate his ass off but he would basically skate his ass off into a corner and give the puck away. he was a guy that I thought little of offensively but he has made me a believer this year. hope he keeps it up and can maintain the consistency.
Wow,
Thanks for the clarification !
This goes back to when the NHL had 6 teams, I think ??
haha, yeah probably. And you were still just a twinkle in your mothers eye snoopy senior!
Does this mean he should be taken off the 1st line at the moment? No
You don't pick your best players, you pick the best team combination. It's all about balance.
When the rebuild has progressed further I don't believe Greening will be on the top line because there will be players better suited to it. In time, I see Greening as finding a regular home switching between the 2nd and 3rd lines as required.
But at the moment having Greening on the top line as a big physical presence making it difficult to play against allows us to have a better 2nd line and a better 3rd line. I would love it if we could replace greening with another skilled winger who would put away 30 goals this year but we don't have that option at the moment.
Anyone feel Schneider should be a #1? I could continue. How about Crawford last year, was he #1? When Bryzgalov got picked up by phoeix I guess he wasnt #1 material right, he had only ever been a backup in Anaheim.
Crap when Montreal traded Halak away what were they doing Price only had 1 good season as well..uh oh....I guess I shouldn't even look to Quick as a #1 or even Halak again, since really he had one good playoff run ebfore St.Louis got him right?
Leclaire was a smart move, and its not like Vermette has lit it up in Columbus and we did get a decent prospect back in the trade...
Leclair if healthy would have solved our goaltending, but injury plagued him move on
@ spezzerman,
Well more than a twinkle actually, I was dating my wife,
whom I married in 1968, and she is still gainfully employed
and might retire in a few years !!
I believe that in 1967, the NHL went from 6 teams to 12 ,
which was the first expansion !!
Good strong argument all around, but that "if" word, is what kiledd Leclair many times, and I do not believe he will ever play in the NHL again !
LMAO, nice try, and no, all of those goalies we're not #1 at the time, they BECAME #1's with they're play. LeClaire hasnt done anything consistant to merit a #1 status. LeClaire was still a bubble goalie with high risk of injury.
Vermette always showed problems, but he too, like Leclair was full of "if" he reached his potentials. # years later and he still hasn't he is what he is now, a faster perhaps more skilled version of Chris Kelly. Tell me which would be better fit for a team at same salary right now?
Leclair was a gamble for us, just like all those teams I listed gambled, and unfortunately ours didn't pay off. Leclair was young and went through injuries, no one anticipated him getting concussed on the bench, in practice, rolling his leg while shaving etc.....
Unfortunate, but my original point was that we werent doing columbus any favors by taking him, like we did with filatov and perhaps brassard
Well to be honest I would rather have Vermette still, Leclaire came and went without making an impact. Vermette would atleast be potting 20-25 goals playing in our top 6.
But on the flip side I dont mind the trade as we got Lehner but who knows how that will turn out, he's struggling in Bingo.
Oh and who said "watch for Hoffman" this year, jakester? I'm watching 12 points in 24 games.....ouch. Bring on the excuses...
I agree Tookie. The issue I have been raising is people are hesitent to get Brassard because they think we get CLB castoffs or "reclamation" projects which is untrue.
Ok we're on the same page then, Brassard would fit into this rebuild, but there is a risk to take, depending on what they want for him.
Exactly, I'm a big believer of taking what has already developed than wait for it to develop
Case in point or trade for Rundblad, we sped up our defensive rebuild one year by making that trade, getting a prospect one year closer to NHL etc
Filatov gamble with a 3rd round pick, done! Most 3rd don't pan out anyways its a gamble and filatov we have a better idea
I would go as high as a 2nd and a fringe prospect such as da costa/butler/le e to get Brass cause we know what we are getting, and it doens't cost us years within a rebuild
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