Tomorrow's game, an 8:30 PM start, is the Senators first in Winnipeg this season. The Jets are a game below .500 this season but have posted an impressive 5-3-0 record at the MTS Centre in Winnipeg.
If today's practice is any indication, it looks as though Paul MacLean will go with the same line up as last night against the Canes. That means Brian Lee will likely be the healthy scratch and Nikita Filatov will get another shot on the team's top line with Spezza and Greening. Lee was not at practice this afternoon for personal reasons
Chris Neil skated with the rest of the team but is still wearing a non-contact jersey. No timetable for his return just yet but he is getting closer.
- Now that Nick Foligno has temporarily assumed the role of second line centre, you can expect Bryan Murray to continue his search for some help down the middle. Derrick Brassard and Kyle Turris remain the names mentioned most often in the rumour mill.
- The WHL's leading scorer and Sens prospect Mark Stone was among the 41 names invited to Team Canada's Selection Camp next month. Jean Gabriel Pageau, who is injured, and Matt Puempel were both left off the list. The full roster can be seen here and you can check out the latest prospect update right here.
- The first clue has now been posted in the SensChirp Search. The hunt will take place on December 8th with clues posted throughout the day. The actual search does not begin until 6:00 PM. Follow @SensChirp and @Wisers_Ottawa for contest updates and info.
As for Stone - I hope his skating has improved and continues to improve. It's rare for a guy that old to make big improvements in his skating but it's not impossible. Even if he ends up as the next Hamel or Locke that helps Bingo, but it sure would be nice if he can skate at an NHL level since that would allow him to fight for a top 6 spot (or at least have that as a goal).
Daug does not deserve to be demoted back to Bingo.. He's played really well.
Do the Sens trade one or more forwards combined with a D?
Could be an interesting month of December.
Konopka is "scratchable" and they can cycle guys like Condra, Butler, Winchester etc through the pressbox to spread out the ice time.
A deal of course would help, but there's no rush to dump anyone really.
I believe his username was Meadowdog, and like I told him at the time, he was wrong.
I think what happens, especially with all the "extra" media these days, is players get labeled very early, and they have trouble shaking that label. We all tend to take whatever is being said about someone as gospel. Look how low Couturier's stock went last year, and how well he's doing, even compared to players taken higher than him. I also remember hearing that Tavares was a poor skater...he looks pretty good to me..
Again, not impossible, but if there's any singular trait you don't want to hear it's bad skating. Brick hands, poor vision, size, strength, attitude - all these things can be worked on with more success than raw skating ability.
Hopefully for Stone it's partly an unfair label on him and partly he's able to improve more than most. Seems like he's on his way to doing just that. Though it could be more that scouts are less down on his skating than him actually improving a lot (or some combination).
I was listening to the play by play guy for the Calgary Hitmen the other night discussing how improved Stone's skating was compared to only a year ago. The thinking was he has size 14 feet and he grew so quickly, he just needed to adjust. He was saying how Tyler Myers had the same issue due to a quick growth spurt.
With you on that one JQS. I think we were the only two standing up for him at the time, and there were other detractors as well. I still can't stop thinking about that goal he scored in the preseason and the fake he made.
Surprised to see puemple and pageau left of the list. There are some good forwards on the roster, but I thought both those guys would at least get a better look.
Good info - though I hope he can skate better than Myers by the time he's in the NHL. Yikes.
The pre-season games showed Stone's skating was a significant step behind the NHL level. You would have to be blind or biased not to admit that fact. Until he proves he can skate in the big leagues I won't think otherwise. I hope like everyone else that he finds a way to get there. Just don't set lofty expectations for a 6th rounder who struggles with his skating too early. Let him prove himself at the NHL level before penciling him in as a future top six forward. Same goes for Puempel, Noesen, Pageau, and Prince.
Oh and for the guy talking about Tavares it's true that the big knock on him was his skating. However it was always considered good enough to play in the NHL. The question was whether it would hold him back from being an elite player.
There are always going to be good players left off the invite list. Puempel has been good recently but had a bit of a slow start. It looks like the roster has plenty of goal scoring so perhaps that was part of the reasoning.
Here is Sens Assistant GM Tim Murray talking about the Team Canada announcement and in particular, Mark Stone.
http://video.senators.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=1141&id=138322
I heard that this years team canada roster is mainly consisted of players 19+. They tried to get all the more developed kids first. Puempel is still 18, so maybe next year instead. Just remeber, last year the nuge didn't make it to team canada either
Anyway, I hope he takes this personal, and works even harder. :)
2012 1st round pick
2013 1st round pick
DaCosta
Lee
Wiercioch
Foligno
Butler
Greening
puemple
noessen
for:
corey perry and ryan getzlaf
people will hate on this, but you've got to admit, its pretty bad when 8 prospects and 2 first round picks are worth less than 2 players.
yay rebuild........ ........ we shoulda traded our two first rounders for edmontons 1st overall. but BM has commitment issues.
his coaching style would be a good fit with their roster in my opinion...when tavares hasnt put up a point in 5 freakin games, something has got to give!
just a thought, i still love rundblad's paly as much as the next fan and ive been pumped about rundblad since we traded for him.
Beadreau sucks - he is overrated as a coach. I can't wait to see him land his next job and s*it the bed. The best thing he could have done for the team is leave.
@HQ - I agree completely. There is absolutely no reason to trade away our young prospects, even for a guy like Bobby Ryan. we are above .500 1/4 of the way through with the team that everyone said would be the worst in the league. Still lots of games left, you never know how the season will end, but barely any of our young forward prospects are even playing and we seem to be scoring at a much better rate than predicted without them. I'd be happy to get a center for aging guys but never for a rundblad or cowan.
Washington needed a change...the guy couldn't transform an elite offensive team into a defensive team...so what!
that's not his style. nyi arent expected to challenge for the cup and different coaches make a good fit depending on where the team is at. coaches are hired to be fired.
Boudreau would immediately make the Islanders more competitive and would coach to their strengths.
Gonchar has another year to go with us and has been playing well and is a good mentor for all three of those guys, anyone other than those three I don't care if we trade.
Karlsson Rundblad on our power play are going to be deadly when Rundblad develops more, why trade that.
I hope Gonchar plays lights out this year and next and we get a first rounder and another pick for him.
Kuba is gone this year for a pick, glad he is playing well.
If it wasn't that, we'd have to listen to something else about them. It's sickening, isn't it?
I don't know what's funnier, the guy suggesting that we could get Bobby Ryan for Rundblad, or the guys that said it would be stupid to trade Rundblad for Ryan lol
You're a lunatic.
I would defiantly trade rundblad for bobby ryan!
I wish....
Foligno-Getzlaf-Perry
Michalek-Spezza-Alfie
Can you say stanley cup?
Its only because MacKinnon is so young... what is he? 16? 17?
They wanted to go with an older team this year apparently. Mostly 19 y/o's.
So maybe teams like Nashville might be in and Def the leaf to reunite the USA olympic line of Kessel/Ryan
If the Leafs acquired Ryan I think I'd lose my mind.
I think he has all the tools to be a great center, he tough, great hands, not scared and defensively responsible.
I'm not saying trade Rundblad for him, or a bunch of other prospects, because I don't know what it would take to acquire him.
None of our forward prospects currently have Ryan's upside or potential.
If Bryan Murray could make a deal for Ryan that he's comfortable with, you guys would prefer him to just sit tight?
I think this is an excellent comment.
Why do we give such underachievers like Cheechoo, Kovalev, Gerber, Leclaire, so many chances, on a better Sens team at the time, then the team we have today.
Yet only a few games to Filatov? This is a rebuild, and this is a top 10 pick, that given the chance may turn out to be a top 6, and ever as projected a top 3.
It was driving me crazy that Cheechoo kept staying on the top 6, when he clearly could not skate anymore.
Give Filatove 20-30 games, to get a clear understanding of where he may fit in, then make the appropriate decision... IMO of course
None of our forward prospects currently have Ryan's upside or potential.
If Bryan Murray could make a deal for Ryan that he's comfortable with, you guys would prefer him to just sit tight?
What do you think it would take to get it done then? Show me a reasonable trade that doesn't involve half of our team. I think they will expect a kings ransom for a guy who will probably leave when his contract is up. If he's only here for three years, I think it diminishes his value in a trade. I'm not saying Smericans refuse to play in Canada but many prefer to stay in the States.
to play devils advocate, ryan, as a goal scoring power forward has seen his goals/game production decrease in teh past three seasons, while playing on what many considered the best scoring line in the NHL. if your points dont increase playing on a 50 goal scorers line, you are really doing something wrong.
anyhoo - I dont hate on Ryan, I would obviously love to have him but again, I think he only plays max three seasons before signing somewhere else and we'd have to give up too much to get him. but if a miracle happens, that would be great!!
Oh I know! Although sadly this could very well play out. I think Burke would do whatever it takes to get him, including potentially trading schenn (despite his recent turnaround) and someone like lombardi and a prospect to get him, which would free up the cap room to make it happen.
No one in the league I believe can compete with that. Its almost already a given that Nashville can't keep suter-weber and rinne and be able to compete but having ryan-weber-rinn e is a huge start
If Ottawa wants Ryan, or lets extend that..If Ottawa wants any star young forward from any team that has already put up star numbers every team in the league will say your offer has to start with one of our young 3 d in karlsson/cowen/ rundblad and of course karlsson is going nowhere
Thats how I see it....
I'm not going to show you a trade proposal for Ryan. I already stated I don't know what it would take. None of us do. We don't know what Bob Murray would be asking for and we don't know what Bryan Murray would be willing to give up. I'm not going to throw out fan trade proposals because quite honestly none of us know shit.
Also, it's ridiculous to speculate whether or not he'd leave us because he wouldn't want to play in Canada. It's a decent statement I guess, but if we're a contender in 3 years like most of us expect, then why wouldn't he stay?
@spezzerman, I don't know what you're talking about? His points have steadily INCREASED in his three seasons in the NHL prior to this year.
2008-09 Gp-64 G-31 A-26 Pts-57 +/-13
2009-10 Gp-81 G-35 A-29 Pts-64 +/-9
2010-11 Gp-82 G-34 A-37 Pts-71 +/- 15
His goals only decreased last season from two seasons ago, and they only decreased by 1??
By your same logic, no one should want Jason Spezza because his goal totals and point totals have been steadily decreased 2007-2008?
There are only 3 players on our current roster I wouldn't trade for him, and that's Spezza, Karlsson, and Cowen.
is the increased production from one guy (ryan) worth decreasing production and performance from our backend+more? i dont think so. the sens are soon going to have a logjam up front and thats a position i would rather be in with high-end D and a performance logjam up front than deal away a significant chunk for one guy in Ryan. Ryan alone cant win us the cup. we need a team and we are getting it.
Nashville and Toronto we all know that Burke would trade his 1st and more to get a player.... and nashvile will need to do something amout their D.
Toronto has a good trade record with anaheim...
Komi/1st/Prospect
Nashville
Ryan Ellis/Sutter for Bobby ( it would start with Ellis/Sutter)
With respect to the Ryan trade rumors, I'd be happy if we got him, but I also don't expect it to happen. I agree with AFM as I also would not trade Spezza, Karlsson or Cowen in a deal, but anyone else in a reasonable trade sounds good.
stricly for salary... and think about it, trading ryan would make anaheim weaker and most likely get a top 5 pick plus a first from TML... komi is just to help them at D even if he is a pylon
Still doesn't mean they'd take Komi. His salary makes him one of the worst deals in the league and he's a 5th/6th dman now.
That would never happen.
If Burke pulled off a deal for Ryan including Komi, he would have to be considered the best GM in hockey, and I hate that guy lol
Ryan scored those 31 goals in like 67 games. He scored his 34 and 35 goal totals in 81 and 82 games respectively. SO again, his goals/game output has decreased each year of the last three. yes it is a marginal difference but so are his point increases you mentioned. and he is 24, his production should be going the other way, no matter how marginal an difference it is.
I didnt say no one should want ryan, I just said I wouldnt want him at the cost of the three players mentioned. If the situation were possible, I wouldnt trade Spezza for any of those players either. but generally speaking I would love to have ryan if sens can steal him from anaheim.
I agree with you, I wouldnt trade #19, #2 or #65 either but I'd add RUndblad to my list. He will be just like Karlsson in three years except he will have a more physical upside.
You had me at "Do you want to be the Leafs?"
IMO Suter is great but is a by-product of playing on a trotz-run system that has always had weber and a great goalie pipeline.
Ryan>Suter or at the very least Ryan=Suter
I disagree. Suter to me is a franchise defenceman regardless of where he plays. I think he has more value than Ryan. I think he is the next Pronger.
THANK YOU! (Though I don't think we *need* a lottery pick and I don't think we'll get one either.)
Patience boys, patience. Ryan is great and all but he's not worth half our prospects.
"After finishing October strong, the current month hasn't been as kind to the Ottawa Senators."
"The Jets try to run their winning streak at MTS Centre to four straight while denying the Senators a .500 record for the month in tonight's battle between Canadian clubs."
The on the side of the page under facts they quietly list:
OTT:
OTT has gone 4-1-1 over their past 6 games, despite going 2/23 on the PP
So we have played poor in November, but yet Winnipeg gets the "Jets try to run their streak..etc" But no acknowledgement that in the past 8 games the only teams we lost to were Van(OT) and Pitt..
Hardly "November hasn't been kind" LOL laughable at best
Should we trade for him if the price is right?
And lastly Chirp have you heard anything about this? or updates on it?
P.S. I absolutely love the way Zach Smith is playing.
Get out there and vote!
Already we have enough experiments within our own group, which by the way is doing much better than all of the pundits were predicting.
Yes we may be in need of another top 6 player, but with a whole bunch more prospects coming in next year, should we not give our existing ones their fair shake?
I am really curious to see how Filatov pans out, Lets see if Butler can crack the top 6, can Regin be the one, will DaCosta go down and be lights out.
We do not need another failure from another team, when we are doing quite well, and need to find out more about our own kids... IMO
vote.nhl.com
I'm going to drop Gonch for Chara/Letang also
Rundblad Butler Foligno 1st 2012 for Bobby Ryan
-Ducks 2 blue chips (Rundblad and 2012 pick ) Butler young snipper Folingo play top 6-9
- Bobby Ryan topend talent plays pp pk can play LW C RW hands speed skill 2nd overall ...Would be amazing to have number 9
Greening Spezza Alfredsson
MM9 Ryan Stone
Filatov Zibby Silfverberg
Condra Smith Neil
Karlsson Cowen
Gonchar Philips
Lee Gryba
Lehner
Andy
Can you say "OVER PAYMENT BY A BUTTLOAD"???
When Murray took over... those young players were not in the farm system... and he had to go the UFA route... which resulted in bad signings. It took almost 4 yrs for Murray to re-build what Muckler tore down...
Don't lose track of the re-build. Keep your young players and picks and develop them.
Bobby Ryan is a good player... BUT if he is only in Ottawa for 3 yrs and you give up a 1st round pick... Rundblad & Butler (as someone suggested) SENS LOSE BIG on that one.
Stay the course... draft well... Sens will be fine.
If Burke gives up his 1st rounder for Ryan... good luck to him..
Exactly. I think there's no way that Murray will overpay for Ryan, Turris, Brassard, or anyone else, for that matter.
Any deal he makes, will have more to do with the future, than any supposed glaring need they have right now.
Regarding Burke, I think he has a five year plan, but it collides with his five minute attention span...
Wow Over payment really ..Butler plays on are 4th line .. Rundblad is a copy of Karlsson and mid pack first 13- 18 ...for a top end player is a overpayment ..
@Sandy
Yeah got us to Stanley Cup finals .. stop with the Muckler complaining he traded players he traded 2 draft picks (2nd rd and 6th rd) and got 2nd rd back in Havlat trade ...
Yeah Murray took over how far have we got ?
The farm got loaded up in the past 2 years with trade for core players ....See Muckler and Murray did the same thing traded the core but the outcome was different one got to the CUP and another is Rebuilding for scratch ...
If Ryan is such a cup magnet then we can sign him when becomes a UFA. And we'd still have Rundblad, our 2012 first, Butler and Foligno. We're not likely going to be ready to make a serious cup run much before then anyway.
Rundblad is not a copy of Karlsson. Watch some games, they may both be OFDs but their game is different!
As for Muckler, he not only traded those picks, he also drafted almost no NHL worthy players during his entire reign as GM.
Do you realize you're giving away more than Burke gave to get Kessel, who is a better offensive player.
Yeah I agree his draft skills horrible missing on Staal and Kopitar but Muckler didnt trade away are picks and and top prospects as Sandy stated ...
Karlsson and Rundblad are the same player OFD high skilled puck moving dman weak in defensive but Karlsson just has more experience in NHL
Here's hoping for an OT thriller so BOTH my teams get at least a point!
Go Jets Go!
Actually Muckler traded Havlat, Hossa and Salo as they were approaching their prime and gave Laich away as well as the previously mentioned picks.
There are different types of OFDs, Rundblad and Karlsson are not the same type. Also, I would not consider either of them weak in the defensive zone, they're just not Sutton style bruisers. Rundblad has more physical play in his game, Karlsson is more positional and stick work.
Come on man seriously ? Tyler Seguin 2nd overall and Dougie Hamilton 9th overall compared too Rundbald and who butler or Folingo ...or maybe that 13-18 selection pick ?
Rundblad, Foligno and our 2012 are all 1st round picks. Add Butler to that and you want to give 3 firsts and a prospect for Ryan. It's a ridiculous offer man, that's why no one agrees with it.
Sooo...COME ON SENS!!!! 3-2 Win tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please find your place Filatov, with a nice goal tonight!
My opinion:
1) We're not going after Ryan
2) We're not trading Karlsson
3) We're not trading Rundblad
4) We're not trading Foligno
Actually Muckler traded Havlat, Hossa and Salo as they were approaching their prime and gave Laich away as well as the previously mentioned picks.
There are different types of OFDs, Rundblad and Karlsson are not the same type. Also, I would not consider either of them weak in the defensive zone, they're just not Sutton style bruisers. Rundblad has more physical play in his game, Karlsson is more positional and stick work.
Karlsson was a -30 last year ..Rundblad is at -7 already 14 games played ..you say there arent bad in defensive zone ??
So Havlat for spare parts .. and Hossa for Heatley ... right ?
Murray ..Vermette Kelly Fisher Meszaros Eaves 3 didn't come close to there prime... for ?
MURRAY, GET ON THAT SHIT.
lucky all I missed was a bunch of fantasy trade proposals.
Exchange Spartacat and Garrioch in place of Rundbland and our 2012 1st and now we're talking.
That might be true but the fact that people over value are players cause player like folingo was draft in the 1st rd doesnt make him 1st rd talent ....Who drafted Folingo ? lol
I look at as 1st and blue chipper ( Rundblad) and top 9 player ....dont over valve ...
So +/- purely means whether you are good or bad defensively? That's your take on the stat category? Man come on, there's so much more to the +/- picture then whether you are good or bad defensively. If you score mainly on PP while playing on a bad 5 on 5 team, your +/- will not be good, you can't purely blame the player. It's the worst stat category to use to support a point, and if you're over 20yrs old you should know that by now.
No clue what u were trying to say with your last 2 sentences.
Muckler made mistakes on key players -- Hossa, Chara, Havlat, Laich and he made bad signings as well.
Murray has made his mistakes - he is not blameless.. but Muckler has to take some responsibility for what has happened. He left the team with no future.. that's probably why he was fired.
6 yrs of bad drafting and no real prospects (other than 2 or 3) is not enough to sustain an NHL team.
I just think, personally, that this team would have been better off, if Muckler had not been a GM.
Stats are stats man if you wanna fight them by all means do it but anyone who watches time know players like Karllson and Rundblad are off gifted ...and the def changed ..If you choice not too believe it thats your call no need too fight about it cause man cause if stats dont mean anything why have them
First, please take the time to type your shit out, i can't undestand half of what you're saying.
Second, I'm not overvaluing Foligno, I just recognize he still has not only value, but plenty of room to keep growing and improving. You're selling him way too soon and short. Fortunately, Murray would disagree with you too.
Not 1 person on here supports your trade offer, I think it's obvious it wasn't that good and you are undervaluing our players and over valuing Ryan.
Thats your call but some people see there where mistakes done by both Gm's one made trades and another drafts well ... I just wish we had a GM that could make that bold trade and drafted for the future as well
No, you are misunderstandin g what +/- means and also taking it without any context of the team they are on. So you're saying if Karlsson and Rundblad were on Washington and thus had a +/- in the positive, which they likely would, it's because they're all of a sudden good defensively? You get my point, the team around the player impacts that stat as much as the player himself.
Do any of you remember who was the 1st player they almost always called up from Binghamtom during the Muckler years?
How about Josh Hennessy?
Josh Hennessy wouldn't even make the current Binghamton team.
Murray has done a far better job keeping the farm stocked than did Muckler.
Getting Bobby Ryan would be counter-intuiti ve to the rebuild. The Sens have such good team chemistry right now on all four lines, it would be a shame to see anyone go.
That being said however, getting Ryan would make our team's playoff chances a ton better. The question is who would have to we give up?
Why you worried about what other people think so much ... Scared to have you own idea and stick by it ... You definitely over valve are players and thats why you will be happy with whatever happens.. No point in keep going you dont want are team too get better thats your call .
Worried about what other people think? Sorry can we not have a discussion here without coming across as insecure? I can't keep trying to figure out what you're saying. Try to type out your words properly, it would help a lot.
This team is getting better and will continue to get better, your trade proposal just wouldn't accomplish that.
Also, since you obviously just say stuff instead of worrying about accuracy, I am one of the ones that has suggested trading for a current NHL high end scorer, so in no way am I happy with whatever happens as you put it.
We all agree that Muckler was awful in drafting but making trades and getting us too are goal to Stanley Cup Finals he did ...
The English language has officially been butchered! The Swedish Chef from the Muppets was more coherent. Bork, bork, bork!
Did I miss when the goal became 2nd place? I was pretty sure the goal was to WIN the Stanley Cup, not be the outmatched runner up.
This team is getting better and will continue to get better, your trade proposal just wouldn't accomplish that.
Whatever you say kid ...Bobby Ryan wont help this team 24 year old 2nd overall pick wont help this team lol ..sorry about my writing on my new iphone first time user from blackberry so if you wanna be grammar coach be my guest ..this is dead issue cant trade anyone when al are players a valued more Sidney Crosby ...
@Sensnation
So its Mucklers fault the team he built to get the Cup got there and they lost right lol
1. If Rundblad continues to develop he could become a perennial 50+ point defender who uses skill and hockey IQ to defend equally well. Those are worth just as much as a Bobby Ryan, perhaps more. Ask Nashville.
2. Giving up a 1st in 2012 is a huge gamble. That could end up being a lottery pick. Ryan in the lineup would likely make it in the 10-15 range but still a very valuable pick.
Overall your proposal is horrible. Even just trading Rundblad alone could be a negative result. Add in other assets and you're all but guaranteeing Ottawa loses that deal. You should consider what Ottawa stands to gain with that 2012 1st rounder without Ryan in the lineup. It stands to become a very good player for the organization. That reason alone is enough not to waste assets to acquire him.
First I'm not a kid. Second it's not grammar coach, I honestly couldn't figure out several of your sentences because of the misspelling/aut o correct or whatever it is you are using. Finally, no one here values any of our players higher then Sidney Crosby, we just see them as having value where you see little.
Yes the issue is dead, we are not giving up that much for Ryan, if anything.
I talking hockey with a guy that still watches sesame street...JC lol
zib's is the second tab and silfver's is the 4th.
summary of highlights:
zibanejad was all over the ice with several great chances, he couldnt burry a 2 on 1 (looked like the dman or goalie just saved it on the line). zib couldnt bury a breakaway. he got a wicked onetimer that i thought went in but apparently it went off the post and his team mate finished the rebound giving zib the assist.
silfver had 1g3a. well i think that speaks for its self
which is exactly when we are supposed to become competitive. Oh wait, we've traded Rundblad and our 1st...
Guess we need to start all over, just like the Leafs when Kessel leaves as a UFA in 2 years.
I'm not participating, but if I were, I'd strongly advocate staying on our current course.
Thank you Tyrant. Hopefully that ends the debate. Rundbland has a tremendous amount of potential and there is no way we move him except for an equal talent straight up. And since we don't know his full value until he plays a few seasons, he is going nowhere.
Will someone translate please?
Karlsson's defensive play has greatly improved this season. He uses his skill and hockey IQ to defend at a very high level. He plays the PK and 25+ minutes a night for a reason. If you look at advanced statistics on other sites Ottawa consistently benefits from when he is on the ice. The coaching staff considers him one of the teams best penalty killers. Go ahead though, spout your garbage. I'll trust the NHL coaching staff rather than some guy on a message board who thinks he gets the game. You'd be laughed out of the room by real hockey people.
That was my point exactly JQS!
Roughly translated:
"Why you worried" = "Why are you worried"
"you own idea" = "your own idea"
"over valve" = "over value"
"are players" = "our players"
"No point in keep going" = "No point continuing"
"are team" = "our team"
"too get better" = "to get better"
Not that hard after you read it 50 times.
Go Sens Go!
Thank you for translating Hax. I thought I was on Swedeschirp for a minute there.
I think you mean Silfverberg lol, but well done. Also I think "over vavle" means "overvalue".
And you mean Silfverberg, not Sensation.
Yes - apologies.
Karlsson is who he is... I have no problem with that. Rundblad is a rookie still trying to adjust to the NHL game... give him a break.
I did say in my post that Murray has made mistakes as well and is not blameless in this whole situation... but Muckler also did his part to contribute to it.
Just because you don't like Murray.... you can't see it's all his fault.
He brought in Heatley, Comrie, Corvo, Preissing, Saprikin -- I think that's about it. (I'm not sure if I missed anybody). Heatley was great in that run to the Cup final.. but we don't know if Hossa would have been better. The rest -- well not exactly difference makers.
What killed Ottawa was lack of depth after the first line.. once they were shut down... Sens were toast.
Let's say we agree to disagree.
(* - denotes players Muckler directly drafted/brought-in)
Emery
Gerber*
Nycholat*
Phillips
Redden*
Corvo*
Meszaros*
Volchenkov
Preissing*
Schubert
Alfredsson
Fisher
McGratton*
Spezza
Vermette
Kelly
Neil
Schaefer*
McAmmond*
Eaves*
Saprykin*
Comrie*
Heatley*
This isn't even considering all the choices he made keeping players, and not getting others to replace certain guys, that we will never know about.
To suggest that Muckler doesn't deserve credit for building a team that went to the Cup Finals is laughable... give the poor old man some credit.