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Monday, 23 May 2011 10:05

Long Weekend Wrap Up

As the May long weekend comes to a close, the Sens fans continue to count down the days until the NHL draft and a day that will be huge for the future of this franchise. Any of a number of scenarios will play out on draft day but either way the Sens will be coming away with a forward with tremendous upside.

There is one player in particular that has grabbed the attention of the Sens scouts the last little while.

That player's name is Jonathan Huberdeau.

Huberdeau has been rising quickly on the lists of most scouts. Once thought to be a player on the Sens radar at the 6th pick, they would likely have to move up to grab him now. Huberdeau has had an outstanding playoff and has been a key piece in the Saint John Sea Dogs run to the Memorial Cup.

He has racked up 30 points in 19 playoff games and had two points in the Memorial Cup opener.

His play has not gone unnoticed by Sens scouts. The Ottawa Senators have had scouts watching Huberdeau more than any other team and apparently at least one guy high in the organization is said to be extremely high on Huberdeau. The latest ISS rankings had him ranked at #7 so there's a chance he could be available when the Sens step up to the podium on June 24.

On the coaching front, I still believe the club would like to have someone in place before that day in June. A few names rumoured to be among the guys the Ottawa has an interest in; Kirk Muller and Marc Crawford. Dave Cameron and Kurt Kleinendorst will also be on the team's radar.

I would love to see Muller here in Ottawa and think he is exactly the type of guy this young team needs. His name has already been associated with the job in Dallas as well.


On the Binghamton Senators front, the club is still waiting to find out who they will face in the Calder Cup Finals. The Hamilton Bulldogs have fought all the way back from a 3-0 deficit and will play the Aeros in Game 7 tomorrow night.

As soon as that game wraps up we should know the schedule for the Finals and we can begin to release details on the next road trip to Bingo (or Hamilton perhaps?).

Last modified on Monday, 23 May 2011 09:07

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+2 #1 willie_008 2011-05-23 10:26
I really don't think Marc Crawford is the guy here. Definitely hope they don't go in that direction. Honestly, I'm starting to think that Kurt Kleinendorst should be the guy. He's clearly proven in Binghamton that he has the ability to work with young players and he's been able to get the most out of some of the older guys down there such as Keller or Potulny. The players seem to like him and want to play for him. I think he deserves a shot.
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0 #2 willie_008 2011-05-23 10:31
BTW Chirp, if you thought the article by Damien Cox was a little harsh, check this one out from probably the biggest idiot in the history of sports media Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun...

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/05/21/lawyers-will-be-winners-in-thrashers-move

Skip down to the heading "Boogard was Not a Hero"

Just me? Or incredibly harsh words from just a completely negative and pessimistic human being. In my opinion completely uncalled for to put in a newspaper regardless of your opinion.
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+1 #3 manojamuzuri 2011-05-23 10:35
If Hamilton wins, you guys should plan a trip for a road game, Chirp. And mention it on your post... advantage being a lot of us Sens fans living in Toronto and surrounding areas will join you!
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+1 #4 Barnsley Pal 2011-05-23 10:49
I agree with a big no to Crawford. He has not had much success in this league in a long time. We can do better. As for Kleinendorst, I would prefer to keep his steady presence in the AHL. This organization needs stability at all levels.
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0 #5 VanDen... 2011-05-23 11:01
HAMILTON OR BUST!!!
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0 #6 TheTyrantWee 2011-05-23 11:02
B-Sens have had serious trouble playing Hamilton over the year. Here's hoping it's the Aero's in the finals. Although I suppose with Potulny and the other added depth maybe it won't matter.
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+1 #7 Mitchell 2011-05-23 12:02
BSENS in 5
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0 #8 Sandy 2011-05-23 12:21
I listened to Pierre McGuire on the Team 1200 this morning. He was asked a question about Gerard Gallant & Dave Cameron moving possibly to NHL teams.
He mentioned one already has, the other maybe.
I hope to god that doesn't mean Cameron in Ottawa. As an assistant only maybe or maybe head coach in Bingo.. with Kleinendorst coming to Ottawa.

The draft will be very entertaining. I can hardly wait.
12 picks... but my guess some of them will be used to move up. Huberdeau would be good. He's a centre as well.

I think they will probably also draft a goalie in the 2nd round... what do the rest of you think?
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0 #9 Sens18 2011-05-23 12:22
I need the Buldogs to win so I can go to a game!
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+1 #10 Sandy 2011-05-23 12:25
Also re: B-Sens and Hamilton..

Hamilton seems to have an experienced team.
Nigel Dawes appears to be the most dependable player. He has a lot of NHL experience does he not?

Let's hope the layoff helps more than hinders the B-Sens.

I would be downright awful to lose to the Habs farm team.
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0 #11 Mitchell 2011-05-23 12:40
I think a goalie in the mid/late 2nd be good. my only negative response to having too much depth is player may not want to come to ottawa or resign. chances become slim to make (stay) or even play with too many roster players. as of right now we have too many centers. and centers seem to to be penny's a dozen at this years draft.
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0 #12 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-05-23 13:03
A goalie drafted in the second round with one of the picks would be great. Always good to keep the cupboard full.

No need imo for Murray to draft any defencemen.

We may have too many centers, but lack a true top 6.
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0 #13 Sandy 2011-05-23 13:12
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
A goalie drafted in the second round with one of the picks would be great. Always good to keep the cupboard full.

No need imo for Murray to draft any defencemen.

We may have too many centers, but lack a true top 6.


Never played hockey so don't really know the answer -- but how hard is it for a centreman to play either wing? Different responsibilitie s on the ice?
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0 #14 jakester 2011-05-23 13:26
Sandy, lots of natural centers play out of position in the nHL. Look at team canada who won Gold they had maybe 9 of the total 12 forwards who were centers. They just took the best players available. Foligno a center whoo has played mostly winger. Happens a lot. I see Foligno being dealt draft day - we have too many forwards. He'll help us move up. HUBERDEAU please. He should be flying tonight vs Owen Sound. Go SEA DOGS GO!
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-4 #15 Tookie 2011-05-23 13:32
Yeah he might actually score a legit goal instead of having one deflect off him, what a bust!
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+2 #16 Sandy 2011-05-23 13:41
Personally I think I would sooner see Regin traded than Foligno. Foligno has a more physical side... and his commitment this offseason to really get better says a lot to me.

Regin definitely has more skill and flash.. but Foligno would go through the wall for his team.... I like that in a player.
Yes Sens have too many 3 and 4th liners.. but when you don't draft in the top 10 very often, the chances of getting the Crosby's, Staal's, Skinner's, etc are quite lacking, then you have to do the best with what you have.
Of course, there is also that diamond in the rough, so to speak.. but generally the best players are drafted in the top 10.

The Sens are doing that this year. I pray they make the correct decision. Huberdeau is a good player. Would be nice if they could pick up Phillips with a lower pick...
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0 #17 Tetro 2011-05-23 13:49
A trip to Hamilton would be great. For guys like me I haven't got a passport. so making the trip to Bingo is little harder.
Go Sens Go.
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+1 #18 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-05-23 14:57
Quoting Sandy:
Personally I think I would sooner see Regin traded than Foligno. Foligno has a more physical side... and his commitment this offseason to really get better says a lot to me.

Regin definitely has more skill and flash.. but Foligno would go through the wall for his team.... I like that in a player.
Yes Sens have too many 3 and 4th liners.. but when you don't draft in the top 10 very often, the chances of getting the Crosby's, Staal's, Skinner's, etc are quite lacking, then you have to do the best with what you have.
Of course, there is also that diamond in the rough, so to speak.. but generally the best players are drafted in the top 20.
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Well said.

I still believe a lot, maybe too much in Regin, because he is so damn skilful. But I'd rather keep Foligno.

Either way at least a couple of bodies are going to have to be moved.
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0 #19 SENSible Musings 2011-05-23 15:22
I'd be shocked if Cameron wasn't our coach and this worries me as a recent Citizen article about him made it sound like he screams at his charges...they interviewed one of his old players and it came out like "Yeah, he does scream at you but you understand what you did wrong afterward."

Sounds like Hartsburg Part Deux.
Pass.
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0 #20 383 2011-05-23 15:26
I will puke my guts out if Dave Cameron is our next coach.

What's the difference between Cameron, Clouston and Hartsburg.

Make the right decision BM.
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0 #21 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-05-23 15:34
http://toomanymenonthesite.com/2011/05/23/northern-exposure-the-ottawa-senators-off-season/

Nice article about the Sens' off season.

He mentions that Jeff Carter could be a trade possibility due to the Flyers' cap woes.

I wonder what it would take to get Carter?

Regin+ Winchester+ Nsh 1st(?)

Cap Hit: $5,272,727, No NTC/NMC
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0 #22 Sandy 2011-05-23 16:10
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
http://toomanymenonthesite.com/2011/05/23/northern-exposure-the-ottawa-senators-off-season/

Nice article about the Sens' off season.

He mentions that Jeff Carter could be a trade possibility due to the Flyers' cap woes.

I wonder what it would take to get Carter?

Regin+ Winchester+ Nsh 1st(?)

Cap Hit: $5,272,727, No NTC/NMC


That was a nice article.. and accurate for once
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0 #23 Dorkievicz 2011-05-23 16:28
Quoting jakester:
Sandy, lots of natural centers play out of position in the nHL. Look at ... I see Foligno being dealt draft day - we have too many forwards.!


I agree with Sandy. Folgino has lots of great qualities that are hard to find. Why get rid of him in a rebuild? Foligno is a heart and soul player that could really thrive in the playoffs.

It's just way too early to give up on Foligno. I see him beig a fantastic 3rd liner, 20g 20-30a and plays a physical game.

since when do we have "too many forwards"? Maybe 4th line forwards, sure, but generally, forwards are the things we need he most.
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0 #24 383 2011-05-23 16:33
Man, sounds like a pipedream, but if we could get Carter for say, Regin/wiercoch/ Nsh 1st, possible lines next year:

MM9-Spezza-BB16
Landeskog (hopefully)-Carter-Alfie
Greening-Dacosta-Foligno
Winnie-Smith-Neil

Extras:Shannon(If re-signed) Condra

gonchar-runbland
Karlsson-kuba (hopefully not)
Cowan-Phillips

Extras:Carks, Lee

Not bad...Not bad at all.
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0 #25 conor smythe 2011-05-23 16:50
Tookie, As if you're bashing the guy for going hard to the net and having it result in a goal. thats what good hockey players do. You obviously haven't watched a single Sea Dogs game this playoffs. Huberdeau plays really smart hockey.

Sandy "Regin definitely has more skill and flash"

I really don't get this statement (not picking on you, I've heard if from others aswell), I've seen Foligno make just as many flashy plays as Regin has. and his success rate has been much better.

I wouldn't say there's 1 thing that Regin does better than Foligno.
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0 #26 michael figueiredo 2011-05-23 16:58
Huberdeau and Couturier both scare the HELL out of me. AND NOT IN A GOOD WAY. Both have the potential to be busts. Right now Couturier floats and has seen his draft rank slip from 1 to 6. Couturier has size and a wide skill set including defense but there are concerns about him being able to be an offensive threat at the nhl. Huberdeau could just be on an amazing run, he doesnt play defense as well but has more offensive skill and better work ethic...both worry me. I'd rather take the for sure offensive nhl scorer in Strome!!!
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+1 #27 Sandy 2011-05-23 16:58
Apparently it's been reported that Rafalski of the Wings is retiring on Wed.

That leaves a space open in Detroit on defense.

You know I think they could really use Gonchar... all it would cost would be a 1st round pick... LOL
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0 #28 TheTyrantWee 2011-05-23 17:56
Conor - Regin is a better skater than Foligno. It's not even close. Apart from that they're pretty similar. Regin has perhaps slightly better stickhandling and shooting skills if he's able to put it all together. The real question is whether we'll see the Regin return to the form he showed in the playoffs. The guy certainly has the ability to do so. I'm hoping last year was just a sophmore slump for him. Once players earn their spot on the roster they often don't have that same intensity in their second year. Regin learned a lot of hard lessons last season about how hard he has to work if he ever wants to be a consistent top six forward in the NHL. Time will tell.
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0 #29 Floridasensfan 2011-05-23 18:30
Keeping Foligno Regin would be fantastic but if we are trading a cap heavy team who else is there.
we are going to have to give to get.

Possible players to be traded.
Kuba
Carkner
Gonchar
Neil
Regin
Foligno
Winchester
Michalek
lots on the list I would like to see kept but don't feel they are safe from being traded for the right deal.
some for trading up in the draft and others for a top 3 player.
BM is not done thats for sure.
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0 #30 gauts26 2011-05-23 19:03
If Rafalski does retire maybe Kuba could be trade to detroit.

Kuba for detroit's 2nd
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0 #31 jakester 2011-05-23 19:12
If Murray can make Kuba or Gonchar disappear than he's a magician up there with Copperfield. Good Luck Bryan.
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0 #32 conor smythe 2011-05-23 20:08
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+1 #33 oakster15 2011-05-23 20:17
Really hope Hamilton wins because that means some of us sens fans in the steel city will be able to see some playoff action!

also, on an unrelated note, David Rundblad got names HockeysFuture's prospect of the year. A great sign from the player many sens fans were confused about when Murray made the deal, I know I wasn't too happy when i first heard. Looks like an absolute beauty though

heres the link: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/13090/hockeys_future_prospect_of_the_year2011/
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0 #34 SENSational 2011-05-23 20:21
Forget Carter, the guy has waaay to long a contract with terms and conditions that would handcuff us. I stand by what I've said before, I'd love to see us get Van Reems Dyk. The guy is young, big/strong and a future star in this league. Philli is going to be in cap hell and I have no idea how their going to fandangle a new contract with him, unless they move one of their older top guys. Nashville's 1st rounder plus Foligno or Regin and a prospect seems about right. On the coaching front, why is the former detroit assistant coach not being mentioned? He comes from a winning organization and I'm sure has learned a ton from Mike Babcock.
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0 #35 Lambchops 2011-05-23 20:38
I agree ^ I dont want Carter, UFA in 2022 5.2M/year... FUCK THAT. JVR would be sick, but with the cap going up to 62 M next year I think they would be able to sign him agian. plus he isn't a FA til the year after next.

I know that our bottom 6 is full, but (I know that I'll take some mad shit for this) I liked Max Lapierre's play in this years playoffs.
He would be a FA this year. Might be good? challenge one of the "Bottom 6" prospects to try for the top 6. or even push Regin to return to his play that it was in the playoffs last year
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0 #36 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-05-23 21:03
Do you guys honestly think the Flyers are going to give up James Van Riemsdyk.

Why the hell would they trade their former number 2 overall pick, their highest touted prospect that they spent 4 years developing, only costing them ~ a million dollars a year.

That would be like us trading Karlsson, or Toronto trading Kadri. You don't trade those type of prospects...

Carter is mentioned, because like the article said, he is the most likely to be traded from that roster given his contract's flexibility of not having a NMC or NTC, and the team's future cap problems.

In my opinion, a Spezza-Carter punch at center would be well received in Ottawa.

5.2 mil for a guy who's considered one the best centers in the league and is a ~35 goal scorer is pretty damn good. Adding Carter would almost immediately make the team a playoff hopeful.
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-2 #37 Lambchops 2011-05-23 21:23
I doubt he would make Ottawa a playoff team. We kinda suck. One player wont help us that much. I'm not saying Carter isn't good, he is, but realisticly there are only a few players that can have that much impact on a shit team like Ottawa was this year. the only players that will change a team drasticlly are Datsyuk, Crosby and Ovechkin. I also hate how goddamn long his contract is. 11 years? No thanks.
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0 #38 Spezzafan19 2011-05-23 21:40
Chirp I agree with you that this is a huge draft for the Senators.

I also would like to see Kirk Muller as the next coach.

I would like to see one of Coutier or Huberdeau or Carter as one of our second line centermen.

I agree Murray needs to trade both Regin and Kuba maybe even package both of them in a trade for someone useful.

I am watching the Bruins and Tampa Bay game. I see how the Bruins and the Lightning both have big gus Lucic Bos and Malone Tampa.

I would like to see Murray draft someone with some size in this draft who can be a net presence or I mean stand in front of the net and take a beating. I would still like to see Murray draft Adam Lowry.
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+1 #39 Lambchops 2011-05-23 21:47
I'd like murray to draft Jamie Oleksiak. He could be the one beating to guys infront of the net
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0 #40 jakester 2011-05-23 21:48
That was the best game i've seen in awhile St-John vs Owen Sound highly entertaining. Carter rumoured to be lots of trouble in Philly dressing room. Lots of guys saying he's soft. Do we really need him?? Lets suck one more year(or squeek into or near the playoffs) and see what next year's draft has as well. Go Sens Go!
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0 #41 Lambchops 2011-05-23 22:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqjZA5Xudj4&feature=related

He seems like a solid pick, but would deffinatly need another year in the Q
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0 #42 conor smythe 2011-05-23 22:27
Chirp,

Great day to do a Huberdeau write up. Not only was he the best passer on the ice for both teams tonight. He got the game winning goal in overtime.

The way he sees the ice really reminds me of Spezza. He surprises his teammates with passes that they just aren't ready for. It'll take a special kind of winger to play with this kid.
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0 #43 Lambchops 2011-05-23 22:54
Quoting conor smythe:
Chirp,

It'll take a special kind of winger to play with this kid.


PARISE
hahaha
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0 #44 Dorkievicz 2011-05-23 22:59
Quoting jakester:
If Murray can make Kuba or Gonchar disappear than he's a magician up there with Copperfield. Good Luck Bryan.


well, he already changed water into wine with a goalie trade so my hopes are high.


About regin, the only thing he really has over Foligno is a shot - maybe as tyrant said, some stickhandling skill too, but it's unfair and missing the point to say Regin is a better skater. He looks nicer, is smoother and possibly slightly more agile, but given how easy it is to knock him down, it's misleading to say he's a better skater. Foligno has an uglier stride but he's WAY stronger on his skates than Regin which means he can drive the net, stay there, retrieve pucks off the boards and take hits. These things are all much harder for Regin as they are less suited to his skills.
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0 #45 Dorkievicz 2011-05-23 23:06
"I think we should acquire Jeff Carter, Zach Parisé and Brad Richards, then our lines would be..."
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0 #46 Dorkievicz 2011-05-23 23:08
OOh and Rick Nash, even though his name sound like a NASCAR driver.
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0 #47 PWL 2011-05-23 23:22
Quoting michael figueiredo:
I'd rather take the for sure offensive nhl scorer in Strome!!!


... did i miss something? has strome already started playing in the nhl and scoring?? I like strome too but you can't just go out and say that he is already an nhl scorer. fact is until they play we won't know.
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0 #48 PWL 2011-05-23 23:25
Quoting conor smythe:


The way he sees the ice really reminds me of Spezza.



completely agree. The way he delays at the blueline and can out wait the opposing teams players to find a man coming in late reminds me so much of spezz. not a lot of players have that type of vision or the skill to pull it off. kids a player fosho.
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0 #49 Johne 2011-05-24 07:59
http://twitter.com/dchesnokov - #STBlues prospect Vladimir Tarasenko decided to stay in the #KHL for another year, as he told his KHL club Sibir's official website.
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0 #50 Johne 2011-05-24 08:21
http://twitter.com/dchesnokov - Sibir GM tells SovSport the Blues made an "exclusive offer" to Tarasenko "like no other...guarant eeing he'd play."
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0 #51 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-05-24 08:51
Oh boy.

1) Regin has NOTHING on Foligno. Regin is easy to knock off the puck, and doesn't have enough skill to finish consistently in the NHL. At least Foligno has a clear role as a solid checking winger. Regin is not a top-6 forward on a good team, so if they can move him, I'm ok with it.

2) As long as the Senators get one of Huberdeau, Landeskog, or Couturier, I'm good. I disagree with the poster who stated that Couturier and Huberdeau could be busts. There's nothing to indicate that they won't be successful at the next level. Chalk Couturier's indifference up to being 17, maybe he just needs to grow up a little. His size and skill level, in my opinion, are too great to ignore.

3) I'd be ok with trading for Carter, but if Philly moves him, it's either for cap relief (so they won't take money back), or for a goalie (which Ottawa doesn't have available). So unless Murray is willing to give up prospects, Carter probably isn't an option.
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+1 #52 RUSHRLZ 2011-05-24 08:55
Please *GOD* anything but Marc Crawford. I'd rather see them sign Pascal as backup goalie, bring Greg DeVries back onto our blueline and Clouston back as coach...
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-2 #53 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-05-24 09:43
The top 3 coaches it looks like are muller cameron and gallant .. And as far as I'm hearing it could be a gallant with cameron as his assitant coach . And as far as the draft is concerned seems like everything will depend on what col wants to do with the 2nd overall could drive Ottawa load a package that will include 1st (21) 2nd chi (48) and LW (MM9)and puck moving dmen (runblad) or (karlsson) more likely Ottawa won't trade karlsson all depending on if col takes larsson or Lando ..would end up leaving ott with 2nd ( Lando) 6th ( murphy hub coultier hamilton) .. Leaving Murray with a possible 2011 verison Getz perry combo with either Lando couturier or Lando hub combo
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+1 #54 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-05-24 09:53
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ahaha, no, Rundblad and Karlsson ain't gonna get traded my friend lmfao you must be on somethin.

Anyways, if the Sens can get Huburdeau at 6th, they should also try to get Zach Phillips if he's left [highly unlikely though] at 21st.

To have two guys who play on the best line in Junior hockey develop together on the same team would be great! They could potentially play together pro..
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+1 #55 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-05-24 09:57
^^

Agree with your assessment of coaching, and I'd be fine with Gallant.

You're completely off your rocker with your suggestion of what it would take to get the 2nd overall pick.

Rundblad and Karlsson wouldn't be going anywhere.

I'd hazard a guess that 21st overall with a 3rd and Michalek would be overpayment, but that would probably get it done.

People overvalue these picks so much. It's still just a prospect, with no guarantee that he'll turn out to be what people are projecting. That 2nd pick is not worth 2 picks, a blue chip prospect, and a solid NHL 2nd line winger. Not in a million years would this trade happen.
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0 #56 SensChirp 2011-05-24 10:04
Nothing official yet on the BSens schedule but there is some speculation that Game 5 would take place on June 4th (a Saturday).

Sounds like the ideal day for a road trip.
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0 #57 SensChops 2011-05-24 10:17
Quoting Lambchops:
I'd like murray to draft Jamie Oleksiak. He could be the one beating to guys infront of the net


I think it would be cool if we could fix letting Chara go and keeping Redden by drafting this guy and having him be successful. He could be a similar to Tyler Myers too. I know we have too many D and we should prob nab 2 forwards in the first round. Plus, it would be very neat having a guy in the system who is almost exact stature as me.
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+3 #58 PraiseAlfie84 2011-05-24 10:17
"Hockey's Future (www.hockeysfuture.com) has named David Rundblad as their "Prospect of the Year" for 2010-11 thanks to his breakout season for Skelleftea HC of the Swedish Elite League."

Damn excited to see this kid play next year!
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0 #59 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-05-24 10:30
So in your eyes 21st mid level 3rd and 40-50 point player (mm9) for 2nd overall ?? Now should you do that if Ottawa was holding the 2nd and roles were reversed would u make that deal? Negative .The way I see it runblad is like karlsson just bigger and possibly faster .....,size will always be karlsson's downfall he might get you 50 points on the backend but he'll always be a -25 .. All I'm saying is runblad and karlsson are the same player and I'd take runblad with his size and quickness and skill over skilled smaller player ..this kinda deal would speed up are rebulid 2 years and add perry Getz or toews kane combo .. Big picture
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0 #60 PraiseAlfie84 2011-05-24 10:45
I wouldn't give up Karlsson at all! He's smaller but he's still a kid, I'm not sure how you wouldn't think he's not gonna add another 15-20 pounds in the next few years. If anything I would give up Cowen over Karlsson to steal another 1st round pick...
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0 #61 conor smythe 2011-05-24 10:46
New GM,

You're assumption that Karlsson is going to be 175lbs for the rest of his life is completely off base.

first of all I think his nhl.com weight of 175 is generous. secondly, for a 6 foot tall professional athlete, I think 190 is his ideal weight

he's only 20 years old man, he obviously hasn't grown into his body. and he's not going to be -25 every season. thats a pretty bold statement.

its only his 2nd season. give the kid some time to grow up, mature, and don't pair him with phillips.


and yes, your trade scenario is a HUGE overpayment for 2nd overall. considering rundlad is is ranked #1 prospect, and has 2 years of developement since being drafted, Rundblad by himself should be able to get the Number 2 pick.
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+2 #62 PraiseAlfie84 2011-05-24 10:49
Haha yeah, don't pair anyone with Phillips. Out of all the good BM has done in the last few seasons, that will be the black eye for the next 3, especially once guys like Rundblad, Cowen, Karlsson really start to shine...
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0 #63 conor smythe 2011-05-24 10:53
PA,

I think Murray thinks he can move Gonchar. Thats the only way the signing makes sense.
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0 #64 NotwinninforM­acKinnon 2011-05-24 11:10
Karlsson is 5'9 not even close to 6 feet and 175 sounds actually like they added 5 pounds ..you guys gotta stop throwing overpayment around its more like you overvalue some of are players... The way to look at it is that we trade karlsson plus extra for the 2nd overall .. That would give Ottawa 4 of top 10 prospects next year in Lando runblad cowan hub or couturier compare that 1 year rebulid to the oilers after 3 years ??
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0 #65 conor smythe 2011-05-24 11:15
karlssons not 5'9''.

I've met him, I'm 5'11" (on a hockey card) and he's taller than me.



Shannon is 5'9" and you can see a pretty big difference just from watching the games. Karlsson is clearly taller.
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0 #66 The Apostle 2011-05-24 12:22
Quoting conor smythe:
PA,

I think Murray thinks he can move Gonchar. Thats the only way the signing makes sense.


I think it's more likely we can move Kuba. I know we are very excited by both Cowen and Rundblad, but until we move one of the dmen already signed for next year I doubt we'll see both of them with the big club.

Given that I believe the organisation is not expecting us to challenge next year I don't see Melnyk being comfortable with burying large contracts in the minors or buying them out.

I agree that the only way the Phillips signing makes sense is if we move an existing contract. To be honest, I'm not sure it makes sense even if we do manage to move one of Kuba or Gonchar.
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0 #67 Canuck Abroad 2011-05-24 12:26
What Regin has over Foligno is a higher ceiling. Skill level is about the same but Regin is a better skater with better hands. Neither have real goal scoring ability. Last season was no comparison cuz the whole team sucked and Regin was on the 4th for most of the season. Hopefully we get to see what these two guys can do with a new coach that plays the players according to their styles and not all over the place.
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0 #68 karlssens 2011-05-24 12:27
Quoting conor smythe:
karlssons not 5'9''.

I've met him, I'm 5'11" (on a hockey card) and he's taller than me.



Shannon is 5'9" and you can see a pretty big difference just from watching the games. Karlsson is clearly taller.


Its true, I am also 5 11`` and Karlsson has at least a one inch height advantage on me. I met him when I worked at Hockey Life.
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0 #69 Canuck Abroad 2011-05-24 12:28
I disagree with a lot of you who have put Michalek on the first line. He should not be on the first or should not have been for the first part of last year after knee surgery. Give the guy time to fully recover before throwing him back into the fire. Spezza needs a goal scorer which Butler has shown flashes of, and they need a big strong forward to crash the net or another skilled player.
Alfie will not play first line mins anymore as he has shown signs of age and even missed practice on a consistent basis. He needs to be bumped down and play less more effective minutes.
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0 #70 Sandy 2011-05-24 12:30
Quoting New GM:
The top 3 coaches it looks like are muller cameron and gallant .. And as far as I'm hearing it could be a gallant with cameron as his assitant coach . And as far as the draft is concerned seems like everything will depend on what col wants to do with the 2nd overall could drive Ottawa load a package that will include 1st (21) 2nd chi (48) and LW (MM9)and puck moving dmen (runblad) or (karlsson) more likely Ottawa won't trade karlsson all depending on if col takes larsson or Lando ..would end up leaving ott with 2nd ( Lando) 6th ( murphy hub coultier hamilton) .. Leaving Murray with a possible 2011 verison Getz perry combo with either Lando couturier or Lando hub combo


That's a lot to move up 4 spots. Nash 21st, Ottawa's 2nd & if needed someone like Lee or Weircoch or if they want a forward Jim O'Brien. That is even too much as far as I'm concerned. It's 4 spots for the Sens & a 19 spot down for Colorado.
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0 #71 Sandy 2011-05-24 12:32
Quoting SensChirp:
Nothing official yet on the BSens schedule but there is some speculation that Game 5 would take place on June 4th (a Saturday).

Sounds like the ideal day for a road trip.



YES, YES...
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0 #72 karlssens 2011-05-24 12:32
Oh and his GF is a rocket haha :p. Karlsson was a very nice guy though, very down to earth. He was nice enough to sign a hat for me and also some kids clothing.

On an important note, its been almost a month since I have posted, I guess I just have not had much to say.

One thing is for sure though, I do not want Cameron or Hubredeau. My reasoning for Cameron is obvious, he has no NHL experience. My reasoning for Hubredeau is a little different. I have friends that play in the Q and friend that play in the O and I have played with them both. I know two friends that are relatively the same skill level yet one is able to get twice as many points in the Q when they posted very similar numbers as a minor leaguer. I contribute this mainly due to the lack of physical presence in the Q and it has more free flowing play where strong skaters flourish. The O is a more dynamic and NHL style of play, so I see Strome being the real deal.
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0 #73 The Apostle 2011-05-24 12:34
Quoting Canuck Abroad:
I disagree with a lot of you who have put Michalek on the first line. He should not be on the first or should not have been for the first part of last year after knee surgery. Give the guy time to fully recover before throwing him back into the fire. Spezza needs a goal scorer which Butler has shown flashes of, and they need a big strong forward to crash the net or another skilled player.
Alfie will not play first line mins anymore as he has shown signs of age and even missed practice on a consistent basis. He needs to be bumped down and play less more effective minutes.


Agreed. The sens had a great 2nd line last year - the problem was it was playing as the top line. Alfie and Michalek make up 2/3rds of a great second line.
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0 #74 Sandy 2011-05-24 12:35
Quoting New GM:
So in your eyes 21st mid level 3rd and 40-50 point player (mm9) for 2nd overall ?? Now should you do that if Ottawa was holding the 2nd and roles were reversed would u make that deal? Negative .The way I see it runblad is like karlsson just bigger and possibly faster .....,size will always be karlsson's downfall he might get you 50 points on the backend but he'll always be a -25 .. All I'm saying is runblad and karlsson are the same player and I'd take runblad with his size and quickness and skill over skilled smaller player ..this kinda deal would speed up are rebulid 2 years and add perry Getz or toews kane combo .. Big picture



So giving up the 21st overall pick + either the 9th pick (karlsson) or I think 16th pick in Rundblad + a top 6 forward to move up 4 spots in the draft? That's way too much. If Murray did that.. I would really question his sanity.
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0 #75 Sandy 2011-05-24 12:39
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Haha yeah, don't pair anyone with Phillips. Out of all the good BM has done in the last few seasons, that will be the black eye for the next 3, especially once guys like Rundblad, Cowen, Karlsson really start to shine...



Lee did okay with Phillips down the stretch did he not. Overall Lee played very well for sitting out almost 1/2 a season. It's taking him quite a while to get there.. but he has much improved.

A lot of the defensive problems at the beginning of the year were in net. Those D were so scared to make a mistake as it ended up in the net... that's all they did was make mistakes.
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0 #76 Sandy 2011-05-24 12:40
Quoting conor smythe:
karlssons not 5'9''.

I've met him, I'm 5'11" (on a hockey card) and he's taller than me.



Shannon is 5'9" and you can see a pretty big difference just from watching the games. Karlsson is clearly taller.



He's taller than Alfie on skates.. and I think Alfie is 5'10.
By the way, congrats to Alfie & Bibi on the birth of their 4th son... William Erik Alfredsson.
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0 #77 Sandy 2011-05-24 12:46
Chirp,

Your buddy Yost suggested that the Sens have interest in T J Oshie. Apparently he is an RFA this year.

Now that would like a dream come true. Young and very talented. Got into a little trouble last year.. but that got all fixed up.

He mentioned something of a package that could include Patrick Weircoch.

Not sure I would want to give up on him.. but with the young D depth the Sens have + add Ben Blood next season and it's a possibility.

Your thoughts?
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0 #78 miguel 2011-05-24 12:53
Quoting PraiseAlfie84:
Haha yeah, don't pair anyone with Phillips. Out of all the good BM has done in the last few seasons, that will be the black eye for the next 3, especially once guys like Rundblad, Cowen, Karlsson really start to shine...


100% in agreement... that signing does not make any hockey sense for a team in the middle of a rebuild!
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0 #79 SensChirp 2011-05-24 13:07
Quoting Sandy:
Chirp,

Your buddy Yost suggested that the Sens have interest in T J Oshie. Apparently he is an RFA this year.

Now that would like a dream come true. Young and very talented. Got into a little trouble last year.. but that got all fixed up.

He mentioned something of a package that could include Patrick Weircoch.

Not sure I would want to give up on him.. but with the young D depth the Sens have + add Ben Blood next season and it's a possibility.

Your thoughts?

Haven't heard anything about it myself. The Sens will be looking to add a top 6 forward through free agency or a trade and I suppose Oshie fits the bill.

The Wiercioch trade talk does make some sense with the strength of the back end but again, have not heard anything specific about him being shopped around.

You like the sounds of that deal?
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0 #80 miguel 2011-05-24 13:32
Quoting SensChirp:
[quote name="Sandy"]Chirp,

Haven't heard anything about it myself. The Sens will be looking to add a top 6 forward through free agency or a trade and I suppose Oshie fits the bill.

The Wiercioch trade talk does make some sense with the strength of the back end but again, have not heard anything specific about him being shopped around.

You like the sounds of that deal?


I have not seen very much of Oshie, but the little I have seen, he was most impressive, and would love to see him with Spezz.
I know for a fact that we have too many young D prospects that want to make the jump next year, and we have way too many 3rd and 4th liners signed up with Butler and Condra, still as to be signed and realistic shots at making it as well. Therefore a deal involving a young D and another forward, I believe is imminent, and Oshie could really fit that bill nicely. Just not sure what it would take to pry him out.
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0 #81 Dorkievicz 2011-05-24 13:43
I for one would be very excited about Oshie

karlssen 5'9"?!? Don't get mad at someone until you have your facts straight.

I still think Alfie is a top line player when he's fully healthy (he showed that at the start of last year), I just have doubts that he could play a season without getting injured.

Looking at our depth chart, Michalek is still a first line player on this team - hard to slice it any other way.

I was upset when Kelly left but I understood. Phillips getting resigned - not sure why that happened. In my opinion, hat was the last chance we had to get something substantial for him. I just hope he doesn't suck as completely as he did last season.
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0 #82 Mitchell 2011-05-24 14:02
I agree with you Dorkievicz

Phillips was only thinking of himself really. I don't really seem him as a top line Defense men anymore especially without Volchenkov.

Michalek is still one of the most explosive player on this team and will remain a top 6 for years to come.

If I had a time machine I'd try anything to keep Vermette (favorite player) I know his exactly what this team is missing. Though I'm seeing a lot of him in Jakob Silfverberg.

Here's to hoping a better future!

In Murray We Trust
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0 #83 383 2011-05-24 14:09
@Miguel

Oshie is a center, don't think he'd be playing with Spezza, if we got him.
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0 #84 PraiseAlfie84 2011-05-24 14:12
Oh Phillips will suck again, yes he will. I feel bad about trashing the guy considering he's a lifetime Senator and at one point was a pivotal part of our defense, but his time has come and gone and I think he'll be more liable for trouble on the back end then anyone next season, especially with the rookies coming up that won't be able to bail him out as often as Volchenkov did.

This is a sad stat:

$44,775,000 salary for 2011-2012 (Currently)

Gonchar: $5.5M
Kuba: $3.7M
Phillips: $3M

$12.2M total for these bums! That's over 1/4 of our total salary cost going to these 3 guys! Unless Gonchar can prove me wrong next season, in my mind, they are all dead weight, especially Kuba. We need to move at least him before the start of next season....
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0 #85 Mitchell 2011-05-24 14:23
@PraiseAlfie84

Agreed, out of the three last year Kuba's game picked up towards the end. Although if the next coach intends to be more offensive minded kuba and especillay gonchar will have better seasons. I have no hate towards coulston but our team is more talented offensively. why change everyone to something they are not.
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+2 #86 383 2011-05-24 14:28
@Praise Alfie

I agree 12.2M to those guys is enough to make you wanna slap your grandmother in face, but it's all relative when you think how little we're paying Karlsson, Runblad, Cowan and even Lee, who I think is gonna surprise some people with a solid shutdown game next year.

I would never slap my grandmother in the face, for the record.
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0 #87 The Apostle 2011-05-24 14:28
Quoting Mitchell:


Phillips was only thinking of himself really.


and why shouldn't he? I didn't like the deal when it happened and I don't like it now but blaming Phillips for it isn't the way to go. He should do what is best for him and his family.

I hope he bounces back but I hoped that at the start of the season before last as well. It's not just last year he sucked, he was bad the year before that and wasn't great the year before that either.

I see it a bit like Redden, we all just hoped Redden's first bad year was a blip and he would be back in the saddle soon enough - and he never did. I think that's what we have with Phillips.
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0 #88 PraiseAlfie84 2011-05-24 14:29
Yeah I mean all year Clouston played Gonchar on the wrong side on the PP, I'd like to see a full season of him playing his natural side on the PP.

Kuba is the least defensively responsible defensive in the league, remember how easily Kessel blew by him in that one Leafs game? He's so slow it's not even funny. Not to mention he's softer than an old man's limp dick. Take anything you can get for him, just like the Kovalev trade....
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+1 #89 miguel 2011-05-24 14:31
Gonchar: $5.5M
Kuba: $3.7M
Phillips: $3M

$12.2M total for these bums! That's over 1/4 of our total salary cost going to these 3 guys! Unless Gonchar can prove me wrong next season, in my mind, they are all dead weight, especially Kuba. We need to move at least him before the start of next season....
@PraiseAlfie
must agree with you once again, since we knew we were stuck with Gonchar and Kuba (no one will touch them)then I could not uderstand why we did not just let Phillips walk. I agree it hurts to bash him (great guy), but the sens are not in the nice guy business. If he wanted to play hardball, then you would have to let him walk, see what he was worth as UFA, and then he could decide if he really wanted to stay in Ottawa. We could have kept Campoli RFA, at less then half the cost.
This was a brutal signing, and will hurt more next year with NTC.
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0 #90 Mitchell 2011-05-24 14:41
@Allan

good point he should be doing what's best for him and his family, but take this into consideration. if the sens said we're done with you. and no one wanted you next season because you weren't willing to accept a trade or a short term contract based on his performance. how well do you think hi family and himself would be without a job. Murray was being nice. too nice. Phillips better not get in my face. :)
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+1 #91 miguel 2011-05-24 14:44
@383
wow slap you gramma in the face... that is funny though
it is a kick in the groin, but somehow the Sens did this to themselves, and as has been mentioned already, why would you add another D-man with an expired, best before date, to this expensive contract, and a NTC. Really it is completely mind boggling, now we have 3 over the hill D-man we cannot get rid of...it is a head scratcher
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0 #92 Sandy 2011-05-24 14:44
Phillips was bad during the first half of the season but hello, the rest of the team was as well.
When he started playing with Lee down the stretch he was better.
I would really like to see the plus/minus of the Sens D AFTER the Anderson trade. I think it would be 80% better than it was with Elliott/Leclaire.
No GM is stupid enough to trade for Kuba. Milbury is not a GM anywhere so the Sens are stuck with him this year. Since he is in his last contract year I also don't see a buyout.
I would think if a team that is a cup contender came to Murray to try to get Gonchar he would waive the NTC to go. He would sooner play on a Cup contender than on a rebuilding team. But that's just my opinion.
T J Oshie a 2nd line centre, playing behind Spezza -- YES please. Question is what do you give up to get him?
Try -- Nash pick 21st overall, Weircoch, O'Brien or Regin +.
Don't know if that would be enough... any other thoughts?
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0 #93 conor smythe 2011-05-24 14:44
Quoting Sandy:
Chirp,

Your buddy Yost suggested that the Sens have interest in T J Oshie. Apparently he is an RFA this year.

he mentioned something of a package that could include Patrick Weircoch.


Yost said that, huh?

Only about 3 months too late.. I said the exact same thing 2 days after I heard Oshie missed practice for no reason. Maybe I should write for the buzz


I think Trading Gonchar before the season starts, and trading Kuba before the deadline is the real way to go.

Gonchar didn't have a great year, but I really don't think his value was affected. And I could see him waiving his no-trade, but only before he realizes how good our team really is..

Kuba, I don't think has any value right now, but he should. As long as he can stay healthy until the deadline, his value will go up. He just gets so many assists playing with Karlsson and Spezza on the PP
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0 #94 The Apostle 2011-05-24 14:51
Quoting Mitchell:
@Allan

good point he should be doing what's best for him and his family, but take this into consideration. if the sens said we're done with you. and no one wanted you next season because you weren't willing to accept a trade or a short term contract based on his performance.



I don't quite get what you want me to take into consideration.

I don't believe for a second that Phillips thought Ottawa weren't going to offer him a new contract. I also don't think there would have been a complete absence of suitors should Ottawa have decided not to re-sign him.

His signing would be more palatable without one of Kuba and Gonchar being around and there is still time for that to happen before the start of the season, but I still think it's the only bad deal Murray has made since being given clear direction from Melnyk that we are rebuilding.
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+1 #95 miguel 2011-05-24 14:53
@Sandy,
I must start by saying that I do respect much of what you have to say, but I think you are way off on Phillips argument. Just because Anderson stood on his head, it did not mean he was playing better. And to Lee's credit, he was playing some of his best hockey, which ended up benefiting Phillips. He has lost a step, and even worse it seems he does not have the agility or mobility he once did. This past year was not his only bad year, as someone said it is his 3rd bad year, but by far his worst, so rewarding him with another contract was with NTC, at this point was a huge mistake, IMO
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0 #96 Mitchell 2011-05-24 15:00
@Allan

what I'm getting at is simple. If Phillips decided to not waive his no trade clause, and find himself out of a job next season. it would of not been a good move for him or his family. he would A) find no NHL team offers because of his lack of talent. B) find himself on another team anyway and not being a part of Ottawa.

Really if it could of gone down the way it should of. Phillips be traded to a contender for a draft pick this season. and then we sign phillips back for this season.
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0 #97 Sandy 2011-05-24 15:01
Kuba & Gonchar will be gone probably by the end of next season.

The Sens needed some veteran on D and Phillips filled that role.

Not too long ago Crosby called him the hardest D to play against.... not Volchy BUT Phillips. So he has to have some skill.

Of course he's not as fast as he used to be.

But let's say we agree to disagree.

This season will tell the tale. I think this NTC is only for the 1 yr is it not? or is it 2?
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0 #98 conor smythe 2011-05-24 15:11
I rememeber when Crosby said that... back in the good old days when Phillips knew how to:
A) stand a guy up at the blueline
B) angle a guy off properly
C) deliver any other kind of physical contact, and
D) win battles


I honestly don't think Phillips is that far off his old form, I just don't see his killer instinct to want to win every single battle. I have faith he will play better next season.
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0 #99 383 2011-05-24 15:12
I'll give everyone 3 guesses to as who posted this filth:

5. Oilers considering dealing first pick?

No. Not that I am hearing, however they are actively pursuing another top ten pick to make a "franchise move" with a team from the East. It has long been known the Oilers love Jason Spezza and there is a strong belief the team needs some experienced star power to bring along the ridiculous riches of youth they have in Edmonton.

Anyone?
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0 #100 Sandy 2011-05-24 15:21
Quoting conor smythe:
I rememeber when Crosby said that... back in the good old days when Phillips knew how to:
A) stand a guy up at the blueline
B) angle a guy off properly
C) deliver any other kind of physical contact, and
D) win battles


I honestly don't think Phillips is that far off his old form, I just don't see his killer instinct to want to win every single battle. I have faith he will play better next season.


Maybe the energy of the young players coming into the lineup will do him so good. Put some energy back into his game..
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0 #101 Sandy 2011-05-24 15:23
Quoting 383:
I'll give everyone 3 guesses to as who posted this filth:

5. Oilers considering dealing first pick?

No. Not that I am hearing, however they are actively pursuing another top ten pick to make a "franchise move" with a team from the East. It has long been known the Oilers love Jason Spezza and there is a strong belief the team needs some experienced star power to bring along the ridiculous riches of youth they have in Edmonton.

Anyone?



Read that already and laughed... EKLUND again.

Why can't he get it that Spezza is going NOWHERE.. no matter how much the Oilers like him.

They can have Regin + for that 1st overall pick if they want it.... but they aren't trading it for that..
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0 #102 SensChops 2011-05-24 15:29
Quoting 383:
I'll give everyone 3 guesses to as who posted this filth:

5. Oilers considering dealing first pick?

No. Not that I am hearing, however they are actively pursuing another top ten pick to make a "franchise move" with a team from the East. It has long been known the Oilers love Jason Spezza and there is a strong belief the team needs some experienced star power to bring along the ridiculous riches of youth they have in Edmonton.

Anyone?


Wow!
1- Damien Cox (garbage to go along with some recent garbage)
2- Pierre Mcguire (because Spezza is such a monster)
3- He who must not be named

He who must not be named continues to impress readers with how terrible the stuff he can sometimes write. Anyone who thinks spez is going anywhere needs a good kick in the head to knock some sense back into them. The deal would have to be completely ridulous...
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0 #103 The Apostle 2011-05-24 16:12
@ Mitchell

I get what you are saying and whilst it would have been fabulous if Phillips had been traded at the deadline and then resigned with us if he was going to re-sign at all I think there are two flaws with that theory.

The first is I don't think there was a significant market for Phillips as purely a rental player and the second is that once a couple of things were cleared up on both sides, Phillips knew that he was going to be offered a contract in Ottawa regardless.

So there was no burning desire for Ottawa to have Phillips move as a rental and there was no burning desire for Phillips to test the market because his first choice was here and he knew his first choice was always on the table.

I think Phillips knew before the deadline he would be getting a new contract in Ottawa and once he knew that there was no need for him to rock the boat and that any possible return was not enough for Ottawa to force the issue.
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0 #104 Mr. Anderson 2011-05-24 17:05
Okay well I just wanted to touch on a few things, If Phillips gets paired with the right partner he may return to form losing Volchie meant a lot to Phillips and his play possibly he may also never be the same we'll have to wait and see.

As for Regin I understand that many on here think he was a flash in the pan and had his 5 minutes of glory, but it wasn't as if his play hasn't shown other flashes, he was good as third line player most of his first year and maybe he was just going through a sophmore slump. He has one year left so what's the harm in giving him one more year to show if he's a top six player or not. Da Costa won't be ready for a top six spot, there is no guarantee who we draft will be ready and outside of Butler and maybe Greening we have no one else to play the top six in bingo currently. So Regin and Foligno have one more shot to prove they can play in the top six otherwise Regin will be gone and Foligno will find himself in a 3rd line winger row.
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+1 #105 FBP 2011-05-24 17:17
Quoting Mr. Anderson:
So Regin and Foligno have one more shot to prove they can play in the top six otherwise Regin will be gone and Foligno will find himself in a 3rd line winger row.


Foligno and Regin just had the whole season to prove they were top six material. You don't get a much better shot than that. I'll be fine when one of them is moved this off season.
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0 #106 beadler01 2011-05-24 17:34
Between regin and foligno. I would take foligno. . Kuba will hopefully be gone after this season or sooner. Don't give up on gonchar yet. If he plays his on his correct side , i think would be great on the powerplay. Murray will do what he has to do to bring this team back to a contender again. Look what he has done in bingo!!! In murray i trust.
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0 #107 Mitchell 2011-05-24 17:36
@Allan

I don't exactly see it that way. Murray just didn't want phillips on the team and phillips didn't want to be traded. so hopefully with the new contract one of those years will not have a stupid clause. And now that Phillips is signed, hopefully he'll stop being so useless and stop putting pucks into his own net. I give him a lot of discredit and disrespect. anyone greedy about playing for a team and not willing to waive a stupid clause for a beloved nhl is stupid. just be happy your in the NHL. Honestly what does he do for this team that Cowen won't do. That Chara didn't do. that Volchenkov couldn't do. we can all go down the list, but were left with the 4th Dman that couldn't do anything alone without a chara, redden or Volchenkov. it's time to make some new veterans.
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0 #108 Mr. Anderson 2011-05-24 19:12
@ FBP but this under a different coach in a new system and everyone had a down year last year would you not agree? So if your willing to give Michalek, and the rest more time to prove themselves why not Regin and to a lesser extent Foligno. Again who do you put in their places if you get rid of them. They may not be ideal at this point for the top six but who else you going to to put in that will guaranteed do a better job then either Regin or Foligno?
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0 #109 SIMMAN 2011-05-24 19:23
Mitchell

Why is Phillips stupid not to have waived his NTC? Why would he want to? He has a home here. His family is settled here. His family's life is here with friends, school and family. If he is traded it is not his concern if Ottawa gets better (potentially) with his trade. He has to look out fot what is best for him and his family not your vision of what is best for the Sens. Murrar has ro make his own determination of what is best and if Phillips choses to not waive his NTC that is his choice. His play and that of Kuba, Lee and Gonchar improved in the last third of the season. Trading or waiving these players now when their value is the lowest does not make sense. Let them start the season and with improved team and individual play improve their trade value for next trade deadline for new top 60 picks. This is not a one year rebuild.
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0 #110 Dorkievicz 2011-05-24 19:59
I don't begrudge Phillips anything personally, I just wish we had traded him. Crosby did say he was the toughest D in the NHL to play against (at one point) but it's so hard to belibe he'll regain that form when he's been steadily declining, say nothing of the magnitude of his errors.


Re: Gonchar & Karlsson on the PP, the problem was we could barely muster a respectable PP1, let alone a second unit. Clouston got a lot of blame for what is a legit problem - hinder Karlsson's progress or put $5.5 D who's best used on the PP and needs to ignite his game on a hideous second PP unit.

I sure hope Rundblad likes the left side because I'm pretty sure his one time spot would be the same as Gonchar & Karlsson's preferred. I'd actually hope someone can fill me in on that. I get the sense Rundblad is a bit of a meandering D.

Still hoping we package Gonchar - you never know.

Anyone have insight as to how our PP will unfold?
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0 #111 Mitchell 2011-05-24 20:03
@SIMMAN

do you not understand playing in the NHL is a privilege not a right.

if I were in the NHL and as much it would make my stomach turn and I had to play for the leafs I'd do it for passion of the game. Not because my son goes to school somewhere. honestly, if you are not prepared to make changes to your life. maybe the privilege should be passed on to someone else.
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0 #112 The Apostle 2011-05-24 22:30
I wouldn't have cared if Phillips was traded and I think re-signing him for 3 years was a mistake and we agree on his level of play these last three years.

But saying it's a privilege and not a right is a crock of horseshit and saying you would play for whoever if you were good enough is something a schoolboy would say. Whether you like it or not Phillips earned the right to not waive his NTC because his prior play and his negotiations gave him that right.

If Ottawa had decided that they no longer wanted Phillips they would have turfed him out on his arse and not looked back. We were all slamming Heatley for not sticking to his contract, it's hypocritical of us to slam Phillips for doing the opposite.

Friends don't call friends leaf fans but weren't we all laughing at them when they were slagging off Sundin for not waiving for the good of the team. They might be millionaires and heroes but that doesn't mean they aren't people first.
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