I think perhaps the most significant thing to take away from the session is that Bryan Murray is quite clearly staying on beyond this season. He seemed fairly confident that he will be back, for at least one more season anyway.
Murray spoke briefly about signing a number one goalie. He even went as far as to mention that he "just got off the phone" with the agent for a particular #1 goalie and that he hoped they would have something to announce in the near future.That certainly meshes with the Craig Anderson speculation I have mentioned here before.
On defensive prospects, it's pretty obvious that both David Rundblad and Jared Cowen will be in the line up next year. I know some people have doubts about Cowen but listening to Murray speak, it sounds like they have him penciled in for next season.
Murray also suggested that Gryba will get a game down the stretch, perhaps as early as next week.He spoke very highly of Swedish prospect Jakob Silfverberg and reiterated what we have already heard in that the club hopes to get him in the line up at some point next year.
On the upcoming draft, they previewed four players specifically; Adam Larsson, Gabriel Landeskog, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Sean Couturier although Murray was quick to point out that these weren't necessarily the only guys they were watching.
There was a question about free agents and Murray emphasized that they'd like to sign one goal scoring forward. He actually made an off hand reference to Zach Parise that raised a few eyebrows in the room but he was extremely careful with his wording.
Also on the subject of free agents, the Sens GM mentioned that they had their eyes on one NCAA free agent in particular and that it was a player they hoped to have in the line up as a regular next season.
This really was a fascinating event and kudos to the Sens organization for reaching out to their fan base in a unique way.
After last night's win, the Senators have passed the Avalanche and now sit 28th in the NHL, four points back of the 27th place Islanders.
Ottawa has played one more game than Colorado.
Sounds like quite the event Chirp, thanks for the inside scoop.
I'm not saying it's a probability, but you absolutely cannot say that it's impossible.
Ottawa has tons of cap space, and all of their own draft picks for 2012, so Murray could definitely sign Parise to an offer sheet, and he could probably price it out of a range that NJ could afford because they're tight now.
Again, I'm not saying it's likely at all, but don't say it's impossible, because that's not true, and frankly Parise is exactly the type of player that Spezza needs on his wing to return to 90 point form.
Was that directed at my post or were you agreeing with me? My post is sarcastic, I hope that's clear? I've been one of the few that says it's worth discussing, along with Semin until he re-signed.
I think that teams that want Parise will actually negotiate a sign and trade with NJ instead of going the offer sheet route. Allows more flexibility in compensation from the team signing him and more timely asset return (prospects instead of all picks) for NJ as well.
I didn't get the sarcasm, my bad.
Anyone who wouldn't want to give up draft picks for Zach Parise needs to get checked into the looney bin immediately.
Using the post-trade deadline Senators as a measuring stick going forward is not justification to not want a guy like Parise. He's one of the top-3 wingers in the NHL, and he's young. They would be crazy NOT to pay the draft pick price.
If Murray can sign that Da Costa kid that replaces next years 1st rounder. If the opportunity is there, Murray has to try to get Parise.
Murray was careful to not actually say it himself though.
I'm really interested in the college free agents this year. I've posted this already, but I think it's worth posting again. Sounds like there's talent to be had.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Julie-Robenhymer/College-Hockey-Free-Agents-of-Note/99/34180
Drafted in 2003 , 17th overall by NJ.
Same age as Spezza, which is 27, and a LW.
Missed a total of 3 games in his first 4 years,
but has been out this year with injury, after only 12 games.
His best season was 2008-2009 where he got 94 points from 45 goals and 49 assists.
If Spezza is worth $7million, then Parise is worth between
$7-8 million.
He is earning $3,125,000 and his contract expires this year,
so he is an RFA.
Should be a hot topic over the sunmmer.
Well then check me in. Trading the number of draft picks to acquire Zach Parise (AFTER coming off knee reconstruction surgery) would not only be imprudent but grounds for dismissal. This team is NOT one top-3 winger away from competing, let alone one that will command a $6 million to $7 million long term contract to acquire.
If Murray was to go out and do something as stupid as giving Parise an offer sheet, then I would be the first person in line to run him out of town.
@sensbro - I believe competing for the playoffs next year, if not the year after, and then competing for a cup in 3-4 years depending on prospect development, ufa acquisitions and so on.
@Bob Swarley - My statement actually is saying that Semin was a possibility I was suggesting until he DID re-sign at the contract you mentioned. I'm very aware he already signed, that's what I was saying.
@Chirp - I enjoy how Murray tip toes around issues while still making his plans clear like that DaCosta one you mentioned.
Hi Chirp,
That was my question. I was at the event last night as well. Murray also mentioned that Caporusso was the only other college prospect that will be leaving college next season and will be in Bingo.
That was an excellent question. Not sure if his response indicates Da Costa is the guy or not but you definitely put him on the spot by saying the name.
Hornqvist gets fined for his elbow to Seguin.
No mention yet, if anything is going to happen to Zubrus for his flying head shot to Greening last night.
Chirp, do you know if the Sens have asked the league to look into this hit.
He left his feet -- targetted the head... so by league rules he should be suspended. If he is not... the league's headshot rules are bogus.
However, that was before NJ unloaded some salary.
I've been a staunch supported of ZP since he first entered the league. I would love to see him in a sens jersey next year, and I wouldn't oppose an offer sheet as long as the picks being given away are for the 2012 draft.
"this team is NOT one top-3 winger away from competing" (-dutch)
uhhhh, no, but how about one top 3 winger, A proper 1-2 goaltending tandem, A top 5 overall pick, a healthy alfredsson and michalek, and a star defenseman?
If we sign ZP, We will have all of those next season.
A trade would be like the Heatley deal for 3 Edmonton players.
Or 2 1st Round picks + roster player, or 2nd rounder.
Should be at least 10 teams seriously interested in Parise.
Also, Chirp. Is there any video of the conference?
I'm super excited for us to be an awesome contender next year.
Chirp, did you get any more of an idea of what it looked like? Not a lot to see to determine exactly.
I was thinking the same thing, but why the hell would u blame me? There are more people in this thread agreeing with what I'm saying then in any other thread since the site changed over and everyone disappeared.
It was hard to get much from that image. Can really only say what I already know. Base colour will be black and it has the O on the front.
Seemed to have some sort of patch or shield on the shoulder too.
I just recall you having an issue with the rating system in another posting. haha. No disrespect intended in this case. The search for the perpetrator continues!
Where did you hear this? TSN says he received a game misconduct (called by the ref) but there was no mention of a suspension.
This would put us right back into contention for the playoffs
Its not impossible to have this line up next year and for years to come.
Landeskog - Spezza - Parise
Michalek - Laich - Butler
Condra - Foligno - Alfie
Greening - Smith - Neil
I could almost swear I saw the suspension on TSN... I must be losing my mind... it's not there now.
This would put us right back into contention for the playoffs
Its not impossible to have this line up next year and for years to come.
Landeskog - Spezza - Parise
Michalek - Laich - Butler
Condra - Foligno - Alfie
Greening - Smith - Neil
Or if we draft RNH:
Michalek - Spezza - Parise
Leino - RNH - Butler
Condra - Foligno - Alfie
Greening - Smith - Neil
Sorry for the double posting. I'm having difficulty getting my comments entered today.
$994,433 or below - No Compensation
$994,434 - $1,506,717 - 2012 3rd round pick
$1506,718 - $3,013,433 - 2012 2nd round pick
$3,013,433 - $4,520,150 - 2012 1st round pick, 2012 3rd round pick
$4,520,151 - $6,026,867 - 2012 1st round pick, 2012 2nd round pick, 2012 3rd round pick
$6,026,868 - $7,533,584 - 2012 1st round pick, 2013 1st round pick, 2012 2nd round pick, 2012 3rd round pick
Over $7,533,584 - 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 1st round picks.
He would probably sign between the $6,026,868 - $7,533,584 range or even less to fit nicely into the cap but have like 15 years!! LOL
I said it before, but Brian Burke's problem was that he made the move at the start of a rebuild instead of after he already had tons of prospects in place. I also think Parise is a much better all around player than Kessel.
Yeah and that is still with Silfverberg, Petersson, Stone, Sorenson, (Jenner, Prince or Oleksiak with our NSH pick) in the system, I think we could pull it off and the picks given to NJ wouldnt come back to haunt us, there is no Sidney Crosby in the upcoming 2 drafts!
Arnott + Langenbrunner - Moved already, cleared 7.2M
Rolston 5.0M - Contract done after next year
Elias 6.0M - Contract done the year after Rolston's
People need to stop the bullshit fallacy that the Devil's somehow don't have the salary cap space to retain Parise. They absolutely do have the money. They're going to match any offer sheet sent their way. The only way Parise will ever be gotten out of New Jersey is via a trade. Any team making any offer will have to pay through the roof to acquire him. I'm sure all Murray did was mention he'd like a goal scorer with the ability to finish like Parise. As in someone with that kind of skill-set.
If I'm not mistaken, a game misconduct results in an automatic one-game suspension per league rules.
RE: Parise - he will net a king's ransom in exchange for his services, don't think that there aren't 10 teams who will bid hard for his services. Are you all willing to give up a bigger package then what Toronto gave up for Phil Kessel? Do that and we're back in the Muckler era of no prospects in the pipeline.
Who said he wants to stay there and who said the Devils would match, you certainly dont know. All we are saying is that its not out of the question and Murray certainly is cheking all his options.
I was saying the exact same thing to my colleague earlier today about there being no Crosby the next 2 if not 3 drafts. We knew years before he was drafted that he was coming up.
Your list actually makes me more open to trading a Butler or even Michalek, if absolutely necessary, instead of some picks to acquire a Parise. We only need 6 top 6 players and Spezza, Alfie, Michalek, Butler and our 1st this year already makes 5 without counting Foligno or Regin types. Hopefully NSH 1st can be an Alfie replacement down the line.
Our future is looking bright, but this type of trade would make that future start so much sooner and with more certainty. We'll be lucky if 1 of 2012 or 2013 1st round picks turned into anything close to Parise, but obviously the expectation is that they could.
So all the names I mentioned that ARE still in the pipelin dont count as propects I guess? give your head a shake man!
Zack himself said he wants to stay there. If he's lying and doesn't want to stay then Devils would simply trade him for a kings ransom. Every team in the league with space or the ability to make some space will be interested.
Hilarious that you actually believe the Devils wouldn't match - they've already said publicly that they would by the way. Plus from a logical point of view the only offer that could give them pause is one big enough that it would mean 4 first round picks from a weak team aka the only offer having a chance to be as valuable as Parise. Anything less than an offer-sheet which returns 4-firsts would instantly be matched. They can always match and then trade him down the line if they don't enjoy the contract. He has huge value.
I'm not a big fan of the thumbs up. thumbs down feature but it's really easy to ignore it. Only Jabsmilez has ever actually cried about his ratings.
Parise is just 1 name because he's the main one out there and he's RFA, but there's nothing saying it couldn't be a similar offer for a similar type of player not named Parise. The key point is Sens trading for a top 3 forward or waiting for their draft picks to develop over the next 5+ years.
We get that you have all the time in the world to wait for the 2020 dynasty, but it's not the only way, it's just the only way that takes little skill aside from scouting properly. Most gms can fail their way to a dynasty, they don't deserve praise for doing it that way.
I've been clamoring for a top 3 winger since Heatley left, it's not just about the rebuild, it's about how you build a team overall. I know you think this shit year has proven that we're going to have a 5 year rebuild now, but there is no evidence that suggests that a team with this roster and this list of prospects and the number of draft picks we have this year, needs that long.
Cap geek shows that the Devils have about 7.2M in cap space next season. They need to sign at least 1 more D + a back up goalie + Parise.. that will be difficult to fit under the cap -- unless Lou buries salary in the minors which he has done in the past.
Regardless they will still be in cap hell next season along with a couple of other teams.
A proper re-build takes time. If we're not patient we can screw this team up royally for years to come.
Thank you for being a voice of reason. It's like people are extrapolating next year's results based on the play of the kids near the end of this season and the thought that every prospect coming in next year through the draft will be ready to play next year.
We have NO idea if Runblad and Cowen will be in the NHL, let alone good enough to play valuable minutes. We have no idea if Butler, Condra, Greening and others will continue their play of this year. To think that by simply adding Zach Parise, this team will contend, while overlooking the major deficiencies the team has on defense and thinking that all the teams above won't get any better.
People last year thought Foligno and Regin would be 20-30 goal scorers based off a last year.
A proper rebuild doesn't start off with a Spezza, Michalek, Gonchar and even Karlsson. And those rankings, obviously aren't going to be the same after this year's draft, which will have some effect on our roster next year, but definitely the year after.
I think the main difference in our views is that you think I'm trying to mess up the rebuild. I'm really not, I know players need time to develop, I just think we're further into our rebuild then most teams when they hit rock bottom for the first year.
It could be that Murray is pursuing Paul Thompson who coincidently has a lot in common with Bobby Butler. They both attended New Hampshire, they are about the same size, they both play RW, both are/were in the running for a Hobey Baker nominee & both are goal scorers. He seems to be NHL ready & could challenge for a roster spot in Ottawa as early as next season.
He was very careful with his wording to avoid this issue. Really didn't say he was interest in pursuing Parise but mentioned that he's looking for a top line winger that can score, like Parise.
I think the Parise reference is kind of dumb from Murray because he's going to be an RFA and NJ [assuming they have the space] will surely resign him. But, I guess you never know! Parise would do Spezz some real good next season.
By the way, Spezza is by and large the most impressive player this team has moving forward. This guy is putting up, consistently, points on a pretty humbly thrown together roster. Just goes to show what this guy can really do with other good linemates and a healthy season. I see a healthy Jason Spezza putting up as much as 80 points. Seriously, this guy can more than do it, as he's shown in the past.
No mention on resigning Shannon or Butler Chirp?
In my opinion Bobby B is a MUST resign. Kid has too much potential just to let him walk. He's a natural scorer.
There have been many late round picks that have become very good players -- Alfie, Zetterberg, Datsyk....
So these experts can assess all they want.. but until these young guys play (or any other prospect on any other team) -- it is only their best guess based on a bunch of numbers.
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I would definitely be interested in trading away any combination of players for him though, not including Spezza obviously.
I think we just have to be patient and ride out the storm and we will prevail! No need to make any rushed deals.
Cried about my ratings? Are you kidding me? Your understanding of the content of my posts is absolutely terrible. Is English your 2nd language? If you think I was crying about MY rating, you once again missed the point of the entire post.
No one is saying 4 1st round picks, Parise is not getting an offer sheet for 4 1st round picks.
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I am also having problems today. Sometimes my comment won't show up or show up more than once. This one for example keeps telling me I have already commented -- and won't display my comment on the board.
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I give this comment 10 thumbs up. Butler is a prime example. Sure, he looks like he has a scoring touch and will be an NHL player, but fans here think he's going to be a valid top 6 next year... that's pretty optimistic. Guys like Condra and Greening are filling spots right now. So many fans seem so high on them but they're pretty average prospects.
Of course you weren't crying about your plus/minus rating. How could I ever come to that conclusion? I hope you didn't stain your blouse with your tears.
That's crying in your household? Read the rest of what that thread was saying, it was about wrong stats being posted and getting a +5 thumbs up ... not about my rating. That's the irrational part. I hope one day not to have to re-explain every post to you.
Murray wont be able to make mistakes really...he's not going to be signing anyone other than 1 guy, and I think his drafting speaks for itself and in a year with all the pick OTT has, he should be the guy doing it.
That said, he knows he has a role with this team, I dont think its set in stone that it will be GM. Could be Pierre Mcguire next year as GM...
As for coach, I'd like to see Kirk 'Frosted Tips' Muller get a look...
Obviously, given this, I'm not big on going after Parise next year, or any other free agent for that matter.
He's a 26 year old LW who managed to put up nearly 100 points on a team that historically completely lacks offense.
Parise is not a player you add when you're ready to be a contender. He is the kind of player that you BUILD A TEAM AROUND. He is the type of player that makes hockey teams INTO contenders! How are some of you not seeing this?
Ottawa has 2 DRAFTS WORTH OF PICKS THIS YEAR! If Murray signs one college guy, that's another 1st/2nd round caliber prospect. So how do you figure that Parise isn't worth half of a future draft year's picks? Teams do not turn an entire draft into NHL players, you're lucky if you get 1 or 2. He's definitely worth the price if he can be had.
The last time the Senators were in last place was in 1996. Assuming offer sheets existed then in the same frame they exist in now, and he gets the contract he's expected to get, then Ottawa would have to have given up the 1997 1st and 2nd's, and the 1998 1st and 3rd's.
That means it would look like this.
Ottawa gets Zach Parise
New Jersey gets Marian Hossa, Stanislav Gron, Mathieu Chouinard, Julien Vauclair.
So, that's basically Marian Hossa and 3 players who never amounted to anything for Zach Parise. If someone traded Hossa for Parise, I don't think anyone would call that less than fair.
And THAT illustrates what a crapshoot the NHL draft can be, which is why a proven player is ALWAYS better than draft picks.
First this isn't something new that the Sens have done. They did it 3 or 4 times last year where season ticket holders get a chance to be in a room with the GM, a player and the head scout and hear what they have to say.
Just saying it isn't something special to this year it's been going on for a couple of years now.
Second, note to Sandy. You mentioned that Lecavlier received a 1 game suspension for the slash on Subban. I can't find that news anywhere. Not TSN, not NHL.com, no where. I think you've got a game misconduct confused with a suspension.
1. What would it cost Ottawa to put an offer sheet in on Parise & him agree?
2. What makes you think that NJ won't resign him? They would have to move some pieces around & we've seen Lou do this before with sucess. Rolston to the minors, Salvador on Long Term Disability, not re-signing his UFAs, he has options.
I realize that now.. I guess I'm losing my mind as I swore I saw the suspension... but not to be... which is a good thing as he did not deserve one. Zubrus on the other hand actually did.
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