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		<title>Wednesday News and Notes</title>
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			<title>Tcharger says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57279</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Whoa I am back earlier today!!! Woohoobut only on my phone....uggthi s is getting frustrating I wont be surprised if we won't be doing anything big the 1st...I expect our big move to come at the draft.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tcharger</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:15:09 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57278</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ True again. Though I do hope that he plans to move up in the draft (should the right D fall enough) or move down (if the guys they targeted are gone already). Or pick up an extra pick or two via trade. Spoiled last year with 3 first round picks! The 1st pre-draft clip for this year hints at some of the scouts wanting them to trade up for a specific player. May just be 1 out of the whole group for all we know the way those are edited, but I like that the possibility is there with this management group. My most realistic wish is to grab Ceci. I think moving up about 4-5 spots would do it and I think that's reasonable to do with minimal cost. Either moving up (more realistic, less desirable) or trading a prospect for a pick to get Ceci. Then maybe trade down a bit if there's nobody we like at 15 - or heck, maybe there's another decent D to pick at 15 that could be a longer-term project. 100% agree! He's the guy I'm hoping for as well, and I think 2 D from the top 15 this year could be exactly what this org needs to round out the pool. Then a goalie in the 3rd rnd and have fun from there.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 03:16:42 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57278</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57277</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ True again. Though I do hope that he plans to move up in the draft (should the right D fall enough) or move down (if the guys they targeted are gone already). Or pick up an extra pick or two via trade. Spoiled last year with 3 first round picks! The 1st pre-draft clip for this year hints at some of the scouts wanting them to trade up for a specific player. May just be 1 out of the whole group for all we know the way those are edited, but I like that the possibility is there with this management group. My most realistic wish is to grab Ceci. I think moving up about 4-5 spots would do it and I think that's reasonable to do with minimal cost. Either moving up (more realistic, less desirable) or trading a prospect for a pick to get Ceci. Then maybe trade down a bit if there's nobody we like at 15 - or heck, maybe there's another decent D to pick at 15 that could be a longer-term project.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:47:49 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57277</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57276</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ True again. Though I do hope that he plans to move up in the draft (should the right D fall enough) or move down (if the guys they targeted are gone already). Or pick up an extra pick or two via trade. Spoiled last year with 3 first round picks! The 1st pre-draft clip for this year hints at some of the scouts wanting them to trade up for a specific player. May just be 1 out of the whole group for all we know the way those are edited, but I like that the possibility is there with this management group.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:13:37 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57276</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57275</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Murray said in an end of year interview that his 2 priorities were a serviceable defenseman and a 25 goal-scorer. He even went as far as to suggest that he was going to challenge certain forwards to step up and be that 25 goal-scorer. Now much like the game telephone, through word of mouth Murray's intentions have been misconstrued into being "Murray is going after Rick Nash, purple monkey dishwasher." Even if Murray confirmed that he was contacting CBJ about Nash, which no actual evidence whatsoever has indicated, a man as shrewd as he in his position would never pull the trigger on such a massive deal without knowing A: the playing status of one Daniel Alfredsson and B: knowledge about the progress of the CBA negotiations. You are definitely correct in terms of we've already heard that Foligno has been challenged by Murray to be THAT guy. But Murray also indicated that when a player like a Nash or Parise or whoever is available, you do your due diligence and at the very least make a phone call to inquire. He's a smart GM, I think as much as I'd love to have Nash, Murray will only do it at a price that is equitable for both parties but doesn't destroy what he's worked so hard to build.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:11:15 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57275</guid>
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			<title>Sandy says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57274</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Murray said non of the current UFA's really are wanted by the team.. but they will be discussing the more 'common names' out there.. (probably meaning Parise & Suter).. or something like that. Well count Suter out.. I guess he likes all the travel in the Western Conference.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:56:35 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Round Leaf says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57273</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Yeah I'd be happy with either of those things. Usually they have one guy in mind and will do what it takes to get him. There really are a ton of good D in this draft, I can't see them all being gone by the time we pick, particularly since at least 6 forwards will be taken by that time (possibly 7 if Faksa climbs).]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Round Leaf</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:56:31 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57273</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57272</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ True again. Though I do hope that he plans to move up in the draft (should the right D fall enough) or move down (if the guys they targeted are gone already). Or pick up an extra pick or two via trade. Spoiled last year with 3 first round picks!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:50:17 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Round Leaf says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57271</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Granted... just don't get expectations up to high. Murray isn't really the type of GM to make this kind of deal unless his hand is forced (which it isn't) The draft is where the Murrays shine. I'd much rather he keep the 15th pick.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Round Leaf</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:46:56 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57271</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57270</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Murray said in an end of year interview that his 2 priorities were a serviceable defenseman and a 25 goal-scorer. He even went as far as to suggest that he was going to challenge certain forwards to step up and be that 25 goal-scorer. Now much like the game telephone, through word of mouth Murray's intentions have been misconstrued into being "Murray is going after Rick Nash, purple monkey dishwasher." Even if Murray confirmed that he was contacting CBJ about Nash, which no actual evidence whatsoever has indicated, a man as shrewd as he in his position would never pull the trigger on such a massive deal without knowing A: the playing status of one Daniel Alfredsson and B: knowledge about the progress of the CBA negotiations. Sure, piss on our parade! You're right of course - though there may be other quotes out there from Murray, Tim Murray or Dorion that hint otherwise. Murray could be thinking Foligno, Greening or Silfverberg for the 25 goal guy and even Borowiecki for the "serviceable" defenceman. But it's way more fun to think he will try to trade for a top line winger and sign Suter. LOL]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:41:48 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57270</guid>
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			<title>Round Leaf says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57269</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Murray said in an end of year interview that his 2 priorities were a serviceable defenseman and a 25 goal-scorer. He even went as far as to suggest that he was going to challenge certain forwards to step up and be that 25 goal-scorer. Now much like the game telephone, through word of mouth Murray's intentions have been misconstrued into being "Murray is going after Rick Nash, purple monkey dishwasher." Even if Murray confirmed that he was contacting CBJ about Nash, which no actual evidence whatsoever has indicated, a man as shrewd as he in his position would never pull the trigger on such a massive deal without knowing A: the playing status of one Daniel Alfredsson and B: knowledge about the progress of the CBA negotiations.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Round Leaf</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:36:48 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57269</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57268</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Yeah could be that too - maybe he's resigned to the fact that he's got no shot at the top UFAs (i.e. price would be too high).]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:33:30 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57268</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57267</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ In the press conference he does admit he'll do his due diligence on the top UFAs, but definitely didn't give anything away about if he thinks he has a shot with them.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:25:08 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57267</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57266</link>
			<description><![CDATA[SensChirp ‏@SensChirp Murray also suggested he isn't expecting to be active in free agency. Still think the #Sens will be looking to deal at the draft though. This tells me that Murray feels he's going to make at least one major trade. He had already stated that he's going to target a top 6 forward and top 4 D - so if it's not July 1st then it has to be a trade (or two). Or maybe it's gamesmanship?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:23:20 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57266</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57265</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Yeah that tells me that it had to be at least a pick before the Isles picked (i.e. before the 4th pick took place). Otherwise it's obviously Strome since if he wanted Zibanejad all along it's a non-issue. Unless it came up specifically because he was asked "did you ever look to move up last year" and he told the story since he had asked about the Isles pick but wanted MZ anyway (and just doesn't want to embarrass Snow). Given how much glee Sens fans (including myself) get out of thinking we "screwed" Burke I can see Murray not wanting to create another situation like that.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:04:34 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57265</guid>
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			<title>Sandy says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57264</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Well I assume Snow wanted to see if they guy they wanted might still be around after we picked. If Murray had said "We want Zibanejad" then Snow would have happily swapped picks. Is it confirmed when this talk took place? Was it immediately before the Isles picked or earlier in the day? If it was immediately before then clearly Murray wanted Strome or else he'd have made it clear they wanted MZ all along when he told the story. If it was earlier in the day then maybe they hoped Huberdeau would slip? Or planned to try to move up another slot or two after getting the NYI pick? Murray did not specify when the 'talk' with the NYI was taking place. He said he would never give up who the Sens would be picking in a draft..]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:38:55 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57264</guid>
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			<title>Tcharger says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57263</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Doesn't affect anyone unless the insane person is from Edmonton]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tcharger</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:17:47 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57263</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57262</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Seems logical but certainly could have been one or two picks before that - not much earlier I doubt though.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:08:44 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57262</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57261</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Well I assume Snow wanted to see if they guy they wanted might still be around after we picked. If Murray had said "We want Zibanejad" then Snow would have happily swapped picks. Is it confirmed when this talk took place? Was it immediately before the Isles picked or earlier in the day? If it was immediately before then clearly Murray wanted Strome or else he'd have made it clear they wanted MZ all along when he told the story. If it was earlier in the day then maybe they hoped Huberdeau would slip? Or planned to try to move up another slot or two after getting the NYI pick? I believe it was as the Islanders' pick came up, or else it would be too hard for Snow to expect Murray to know which guy he'll want if everyone is still on the board.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:59:37 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57261</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57260</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Yeah partly my gut and partly Murray's quote from last year when he said Petersson "will play on Spezza's wing for the next 10 years". (He was asked where Petersson will play when AP was called up. Murray was probably joking of course.) Oh ok, I must have missed that quote. I'd assume he was joking as well, but maybe there's more to this guy then I've noticed so far. He looks like a bottom 6 forward with some offense, hopefully there's more to it. I guess we drafted him in the 4th and he's shown some potential so maybe getting a 3rd or late 2nd might be doable, but probably not Subban territory.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:57:22 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57260</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57259</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hockey Break ‏@HockeyBreak "We don't have him [Yakupov] ranked 1st, he's lower on our list" -A scout of a team picking in the top-5. #2012NHLDraft Interesting... Not that it affects us I guess.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:47:50 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57259</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57258</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I wonder if Murray will be shopping some of our forward prospect at the draft for picks for 2013. Could be a good way to clear up a little room and maybe get some GM to overpay slightly given that "future" picks are often easier to part with.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:44:02 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57258</guid>
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			<title>miguel says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57257</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Not saying they wont and even IF they do turn out good, we might not have the space in the top 6 by that time, who knows. I dont even know for sure if Ryan is available, nothing has come out of that camp. I really dont see how giving up 1 of Zbad/Silf/Stone /Noesen, 1 of Bishop/Lehner and 1 or 2 roster players like Michalek or Foligno + our 15th, would hurt us soooooo much, in my eyes its a no brainer for a player like Nash...deal would include Methot aswell. Thats hardly the farm, we have excess in the positions we are giving and would gain a top 3 player we desperately need to play with Spezza. Methot is easily a top 4 (closer to 4). And if we get the guys I hope we are targeting: Carle, Jackman, Parenteau....wi th Noesen, Silf, Stone, Pageau, Boro, Wiercioch, Gryba, Lehner in the wings + our 2012 draft picks... The rebuild process just grew to Contender process! as much as a hate to admit this Tooks :) the points you make are pretty effective! hard to argue, but again it would all depend on who goes, but very strong arguments]]></description>
			<dc:creator>miguel</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:27:32 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57257</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57256</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Well I assume Snow wanted to see if they guy they wanted might still be around after we picked. If Murray had said "We want Zibanejad" then Snow would have happily swapped picks. Is it confirmed when this talk took place? Was it immediately before the Isles picked or earlier in the day? If it was immediately before then clearly Murray wanted Strome or else he'd have made it clear they wanted MZ all along when he told the story. If it was earlier in the day then maybe they hoped Huberdeau would slip? Or planned to try to move up another slot or two after getting the NYI pick?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:26:34 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57255</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Yeah partly my gut and partly Murray's quote from last year when he said Petersson "will play on Spezza's wing for the next 10 years". (He was asked where Petersson will play when AP was called up. Murray was probably joking of course.) Right. Clearly we're not getting Subban there but we are interviewing two other goalies that would likely be available. But more thinking that we'd acquire another pick. Either an earlier one and then trade our 15th down to get Subban or acquire a late first/early second directly and get Subban.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:21:37 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57255</guid>
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			<title>Sandy says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57254</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Maybe Murray picks the BPA with the 15th overall... and then later takes the 2 third round picks + a player/prospect to move up in the 2nd round to draft a goalie not having picked one with the 15th. Anyone know anything about these other goalies brought in for a look-see? As for Murray trying to move up last year in a trade with the NYI.. Murray said Snow wanted to know who the Sens were going to draft in that spot.. Murray would not tell Snow.. so Snow declined to trade. What the hell did Snow expect? That another team would give away who they were drafting? If Parise stays in NJ or goes to LA.. a lot of teams will be pushing for Nash.. hense the value will go up... The price could be ridiculous if some desperate team overpaid for him. If that were the case.. I would sooner the Sens go for a trade for a good young defenseman. There are a lot of good ones out there.. but the question is who.. Don't think Winn/Ott would do any trades. Yost had an article reporting that supposedly the Jets (at the deadline) tried to deal injured players to Ottawa (without the Sens knowing they were injured) and it was reported there was pretty bad blood between the two teams. Now Yost said that whole scenario is unconfirmed... interesting.. 8 days until the draft.. 6 days until the awards.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:21:21 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57254</guid>
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			<title>Tookie says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57253</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ "Worry" - no. Plan - yes. The plan can be: "just grab a goalie with our fourth pick and see how he looks in 3 years" "don't draft a goalie at all but plan to draft one next year" or even "trade for a goalie three years from now" But Murray does need to have some sort of plan and if he feels we can spend our second pick on Subban then I'm okay with it. In 2nd pick you do mean our 76th overall, which is 3rd round?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tookie</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:16:52 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57253</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57252</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Right. But let's not forget we had 4 picks in the first two rounds last year. So if we were able to (for example only) move Petersson to get a pick that would land us Subban - again, keeping our pick to draft a defenceman - then that makes sense. We have plenty of forwards we like better than Petersson (I would assume) and if we draft a D and trade for/sign a D to play next year with Karlsson then really there would be no massive holes to fill with that second pick so why not grab Subban? If nothing else he's an asset that we could later trade should we need to. There's always one or two goalies that go in the first or second round but usually drafted by teams that are desperate for goalie help or by teams that are feeling pretty good up front already. Hopefully by the time we make our second selection in this year's draft we're in that latter category too. Hax, I know it was just an example, but I've noticed you are pretty high on Petersson through other comments. Personally I don't think there's a GM in the NHL that would take him over Subban, but would love to be proved wrong as that would be quite the swap.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:16:35 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>TheBoss says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57251</link>
			<description><![CDATA[As per the report by The Score, can't say I'm surprised. He''ll probably sign with the Red Wings, as it's looking more and more like their D corps needs him (with Lids and Stuart gone, and no more Rafalski either). Although if we could snatch Hudler away from them, that'd be amazing... In my opinion, we're most likely to grab Nash since Parise will probably re-sign with the Devils. Not enough quality reasons for Parise to come to the Sens. I'm not sold on J. Garrison (he had a good start to the year, and kind of fell off), so I'm skeptical about his consistency... Now Wideman, that's a guy I'd love if Murray went after. Younger than Kuba and put up almost 50 points. Absolutely stoked for July 1st!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TheBoss</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:14:19 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57251</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57250</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Who are these 2 #1s in our pipeline? Please tell me, I only see Lehner and management has made it clear they feel the need to have another quality goaltender in the pipeline. I count 1, they count 1, where's the 2nd? Bishop?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:14:00 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57250</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57249</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Right. But let's not forget we had 4 picks in the first two rounds last year. So if we were able to (for example only) move Petersson to get a pick that would land us Subban - again, keeping our pick to draft a defenceman - then that makes sense. We have plenty of forwards we like better than Petersson (I would assume) and if we draft a D and trade for/sign a D to play next year with Karlsson then really there would be no massive holes to fill with that second pick so why not grab Subban? If nothing else he's an asset that we could later trade should we need to. There's always one or two goalies that go in the first or second round but usually drafted by teams that are desperate for goalie help or by teams that are feeling pretty good up front already. Hopefully by the time we make our second selection in this year's draft we're in that latter category too.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:11:44 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57248</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ So LA drafting Bernier in the 1st after Quick in the 3rd is not comparable to us drafting Subban in the 1st after having previously gotten Lehner in the 2nd? Not sure how Boston wasn't planning there either, seems like a pretty solid plan, I guess you think it was luck? Anyways, I guess we'll just agree to disagree on this.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:11:31 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57248</guid>
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			<title>Alcatraz says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57247</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Come on now compare Subban to other goalies drafted in hsi same projections low 1st high 2nd your talking Schneider, Varlamo etc not Fleury, Price, Ward who are all consensus top 5 picks I get what you are saying I do, but if I'm the Rangers yes I'm staring at Subban with their 25th pick and hoping to hell he falls cause thats a team who needs a 1st round goalie prospect Lundquist is a star and will be for 5 years but they know things change and Subban is great insurance You don't waste a top 60 pick on a goalie when you already have two future number 1s in the pipeline]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Alcatraz</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:10:38 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57247</guid>
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			<title>Alcatraz says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57246</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ You actually answered your own question. Look at the best teams the last few years, LA, Vancouver, Boston, they all planned a long time ago to have 2 NHL caliber goalies at this time. That's where we want to be in 3 years imo. Rask has been on the bench for years despite being ready to start. Depth from top to bottom is the best way to compete for the cup, and that includes a quality backup even when you have a franchise goalie already. So boston trades raycroft for rask, and has thomas come out of Europe and dominate, hardly planning for two franchsie goalies LA Kings yes they had 1st rounder in Bernier, but Quick was a 3rd rounder (exactly what I'm syaing here) and it has worked out for them Vancouver drafted Schenider in the 1st round in 2004 then traded for Luongo in 2006, and nonly now 8 years after he was drafted in the 1st round is Schneider actually ready so no your argument makes no sense. We have Anderson who can hold the fort for two years, Bishop and Lehner arguably can hold the fort for the next 10 years. During which time we draft another goalie in 3rd round every year and hope for best]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Alcatraz</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:07:38 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57246</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57245</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Well that's the reason why most teams try to trade for goalies in their early 20s. Some team will get lucky and end up with 2 or 3 guys that look like they're ready for the NHL and trade them off. Drafting goalies is a crap-shoot. I do agree we need to have some options internally but they can be drafted in the later rounds just as easily without making them useless picks. The difference between goalies taken in the 2nd round to the 6th is not nearly as pronounced as it is for forwards (in terms of likelihood of making the NHL someday). The likelyhood of any goalie being successful in the NHL is, I agree, a crap shoot compared to regular players, regardless of the round. But over the years there are always some high end prospects that you know will be NHL goalies. Obviously some scouts are wrong on a few of these, but no one doubted Fleury would make it, and I get the same impression about Subban. Some will disagree, and that's fine, but I think he's a can't miss goalie prospect and would take the chance if it meant not needing to draft another goalie for another decade.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:07:11 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57245</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57244</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Let's not forget that Murray is certainly looking for his top 6 winger and top 4 D (and would love a top 3 or top 2 respectively). I'm sure he realizes that many teams would be asking for one of our goalies so if he makes a trade before the draft (or at the draft) he may suddenly need to get a goalie. So while I don't make too much out of them talking to Subban it could very easily be part of a contingency plan should they have to give up Lehner to get the top 3 winger or top pairing D in a trade. Still don't think they use the 15th pick to get him no matter what though - they'd trade down before they'd do that.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:06:22 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57244</guid>
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			<title>Tookie says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57243</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Funny thing, this goalie, D. Altshuller for Oshawa is coached by a buddy of mine. This buddy, named, ****, also was the goalie coach for the Canada World Dev Camp in Calgary. Would be cool if they got him and **** would be associated with the SENS, I could have some inside info...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tookie</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:06:05 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57243</guid>
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			<title>Alcatraz says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57242</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Hax yes to me worrying is when you spend "quality" draft picks on goalies you don't draft a goalie in the 1st or 2nd round unless your worried about your depth. Drafting them past 2nd round is really like you said crapshoot and hope for the best with your BPA]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Alcatraz</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:04:42 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57242</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57241</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ You actually answered your own question. Look at the best teams the last few years, LA, Vancouver, Boston, they all planned a long time ago to have 2 NHL caliber goalies at this time. That's where we want to be in 3 years imo. Rask has been on the bench for years despite being ready to start. Depth from top to bottom is the best way to compete for the cup, and that includes a quality backup even when you have a franchise goalie already.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:04:06 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57241</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57240</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ "Worry" - no. Plan - yes. The plan can be: "just grab a goalie with our fourth pick and see how he looks in 3 years" "don't draft a goalie at all but plan to draft one next year" or even "trade for a goalie three years from now" But Murray does need to have some sort of plan and if he feels we can spend our second pick on Subban then I'm okay with it.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:03:16 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57240</guid>
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			<title>Alcatraz says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57239</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Well that's the reason why most teams try to trade for goalies in their early 20s. Some team will get lucky and end up with 2 or 3 guys that look like they're ready for the NHL and trade them off. Drafting goalies is a crap-shoot. I do agree we need to have some options internally but they can be drafted in the later rounds just as easily without making them useless picks. The difference between goalies taken in the 2nd round to the 6th is not nearly as pronounced as it is for forwards (in terms of likelihood of making the NHL someday). +20000 exactly, Sens fans are making this "goalie prospect shortage" out to be wayyyyyyyy to important yes we need more goalies, but its not a top priority, and I'm sure Murray is just going through the motions checking out goalies in town We need help on defense first and fore most, but Murray is not stupid and he will get us the BPA]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Alcatraz</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:02:36 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57239</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57238</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Well that's the reason why most teams try to trade for goalies in their early 20s. Some team will get lucky and end up with 2 or 3 guys that look like they're ready for the NHL and trade them off. Drafting goalies is a crap-shoot. I do agree we need to have some options internally but they can be drafted in the later rounds just as easily without making them useless picks. The difference between goalies taken in the 2nd round to the 6th is not nearly as pronounced as it is for forwards (in terms of likelihood of making the NHL someday).]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:00:06 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57238</guid>
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			<title>Alcatraz says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57237</link>
			<description><![CDATA[right, but how many teams are actually thinking the way you guys are right now? we have a luxury of prospects right now in all honesty look at other teams and do you believe most actually think of what you just said "do we have a goalie that is ready to push our future franchise goalie yet?" cummon now lol. thats exactly what you just said is NY Rangers deserate for a goalie? what about Boston, or what about Jersey all those years We are solid now, and don't need to worry about 7 years from now.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Alcatraz</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:59:39 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57237</guid>
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			<title>Tookie says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57236</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ If we select a goalie with the 15th pick I will seriously flip out...none of them are worth a 1st round pick.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tookie</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:59:36 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57236</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57235</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Well not to belabor this since I pretty much agree, but... Bishop is not "in his way" unless we resign him to another contract. Anderson really isn't either since Subban can't possibly expect to be a number 1 goalie in the NHL before Anderson's contract is up. Lehner is the only one "in his way" since he's another young prospect and I would assume most orgs have someone similar, so whichever team drafts Subban there's likely to be at least one guy he'll have to compete with down the road if he wants to be "the man". But I agree there's no need to draft an impact goalie this year. But we're full up on forwards and actually have decent numbers at least on the blueline (though not as much impact as I'd like) so if we can grab Subban with our second pick I'm okay with it. So long as our first pick gets us a defenceman (either directly or through some sort of trade sequence).]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:56:04 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57235</guid>
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			<title>SwedishSens says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57234</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Saying you can live with drafting Subban at 15 is stupid ..trading 3rd line player for a late first i say do it ..We have alot Lw players coming ..]]></description>
			<dc:creator>SwedishSens</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:54:23 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57234</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57233</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I strongly disagree there, most goalie prospects take 4-7 years, so the longer we wait the less chance we'll have someone to push Lehner or step in if he falters. Our NHL goaltending is only really deep this year, beyond that it starts becoming about hoping Lehner is who we think he is.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:54:08 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57233</guid>
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			<title>Alcatraz says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57232</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Why don't Yahoo! just release Suter's wishlist Wishlist: Detroit Nashville Any team offering more than $8 million]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Alcatraz</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:52:09 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57232</guid>
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			<title>Alcatraz says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57231</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Ya I agree we need more depth in goal but I don't think we need impact depth. Look at guys like Brian Elliott. drafted like 2nd last pick, or Jeff Glass for now thats really all we need, decent goalies but not elite You really think Subban would be pumped coming to our organization and having to look up the ladder and see Bishop/Lehner/A nderson in his way 4th round 5th round guys and career AHLers is all we need for a year or two, then we can look at impact goalies again]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Alcatraz</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:49:39 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57231</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57230</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Booooo. TEAM 1200 ‏@TEAM1200Ottaw a According to Yahoo sports, Ryan Suter's Free Agency wishlist does NOT include any Eastern conference team. #NHL Not that I was holding much hope of landing Suter in the first place though.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:48:00 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Tookie says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57229</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Not saying they wont and even IF they do turn out good, we might not have the space in the top 6 by that time, who knows. I dont even know for sure if Ryan is available, nothing has come out of that camp. I really dont see how giving up 1 of Zbad/Silf/Stone /Noesen, 1 of Bishop/Lehner and 1 or 2 roster players like Michalek or Foligno + our 15th, would hurt us soooooo much, in my eyes its a no brainer for a player like Nash...deal would include Methot aswell. Thats hardly the farm, we have excess in the positions we are giving and would gain a top 3 player we desperately need to play with Spezza. Methot is easily a top 4 (closer to 4). And if we get the guys I hope we are targeting: Carle, Jackman, Parenteau....wi th Noesen, Silf, Stone, Pageau, Boro, Wiercioch, Gryba, Lehner in the wings + our 2012 draft picks... The rebuild process just grew to Contender process!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tookie</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:47:39 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57229</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57228</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I will always love Foligno if only for that rumor that he punched out Heatley when his ego was running wild at a team dinner. Even if it's not true it's such an awesome image/story!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:44:38 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>SNOOPY SENIOR says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57227</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Now that makes a lot of sense Tookie !!!!!!!!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>SNOOPY SENIOR</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:44:33 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57226</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Well the only thing I'll say to that is that we actually do need some more depth (numbers-wise) in goal. But using our 15th would be silly. Unless we get some awesome deal for an earlier pick where we draft Ceci or something but even then most mock drafts have Subban going late first or second. So maybe flip a forward prospect for a pick that lands us Ceci, then trade our 15th down to get a late first or early second to get Subban??]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:42:37 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Alcatraz says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57225</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Chris Stewart just signed a one year deal with St.Louis as an RFA for $3 million this will help put to rest that Foligno deserves Jones type money I've been syaing foligno will probably get $5 million over 2 years which is eerily similar to what stewart just got, similar players, stewart maybe more finishing touch]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Alcatraz</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:40:50 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57225</guid>
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			<title>Tcharger says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57224</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Don't get me wrong...I want to love Foligno (and usually appreciate his type) but he drives me nuts...I am basically telling myself he is a 3rd liner in an attempt to bitch about him less. Haha]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tcharger</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:39:14 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57224</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57223</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ regardless where you want to classify him he is under the age of 25 and putting up 0.5ppg and improving every year and is one of our few top 9 forwards who is willing to get his nose dirty People bitch and moan about his Goalie Interference calls, and yes reputations suck, but I for one actually like the fcat he gets these calls, only for the reason teams and goalies have now had to identify him on the ice as someone willing to go to the blue paint. We need that type of player, and moving him for a 1st round pick is a strict "unload and rebuikd" move which is stupid for us to do especially when we have lehner and bishop already as young goalies, so regarding other post about Subban it makes 0 sense Yeah put me down as one who would like to keep Foligno (unless we get a great offer, yada-yada). I don't think we'd need to trade him to get Subban, nor would I want us to. There are a dozen other ways to get Subban if we feel we really want to.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:39:05 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57223</guid>
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			<title>Alcatraz says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57222</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Hax completely agree and to add to that, trading a current roster player straight up for a pick to draft Subban in the 1st round is beyond stupid since goaltending is the one area we do not need an impact prospect this draft if we use our own 15 on Subban sure I can live with it, but I still think goalies are better suited to draft in rounds 2-4]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Alcatraz</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:38:03 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57222</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57221</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Well the AHL backup will undoubtedly be a UFA signing (or throw-in on a trade maybe). If Lehner is going to be the AHL starter they'll want a legit AHL backup, not another goalie prospect. So drafting Subban has nothing to do with next year. By the same token, it wouldn't likely be an indication of a Bishop trade since (as you point out again) Subban can't play AHL next year and that would leave Murray looking for an NHL backup (or an AHL starter) AND an AHL backup. But of course if there is a Lehner trade in the works he'd still need to find TWO AHL goalies for next year. All that considered, I can't see us trading Lehner unless we get blown away with an offer that makes it worth it to draft a goalie AND find an AHL starter now. A Bishop trade makes only a little more sense in that we'd immediately need a backup in the NHL or two goalies in the AHL. Considering Bishop is on a one-year deal, even if we don't trade any goalie drafting a goalie actually makes a lot of sense (though there's no huge rush).]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:34:19 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57221</guid>
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			<title>Alcatraz says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57220</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ regardless where you want to classify him he is under the age of 25 and putting up 0.5ppg and improving every year and is one of our few top 9 forwards who is willing to get his nose dirty People bitch and moan about his Goalie Interference calls, and yes reputations suck, but I for one actually like the fcat he gets these calls, only for the reason teams and goalies have now had to identify him on the ice as someone willing to go to the blue paint. We need that type of player, and moving him for a 1st round pick is a strict "unload and rebuikd" move which is stupid for us to do especially when we have lehner and bishop already as young goalies, so regarding other post about Subban it makes 0 sense]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Alcatraz</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:33:38 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57220</guid>
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			<title>Tcharger says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57219</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Foligno is as of now a fringe top 6...He will be like Fisher, great 3rd liner and an ok 2nd liner when given a shot.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tcharger</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:29:22 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57218</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Further thought on Filatov: I still support the trade - low risk/high possible reward. Just because we didn't hit a homerun doesn't mean it was a bad idea. Not qualifying is probably the right decision if some or any of these are true: * Murray is convinced that Filatov will NEVER come back. * Murray and his people feel that even if he wanted to he'll never make the NHL (being sent down from the KHL isn't impressive) * It was mostly due to not having room within whatever category he'd fall into (the 50 max contracts or the 90? players we have rights to) * Murray wants to make sure other players don't go play in the KHL/SEL and expect to be able to come waltzing back whenever they feel like it * Murray actually plans to qualify him after all but needs to swing a Q4Q deal first but doesn't want to publicly admit that All in all it's no great loss IMO.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:24:40 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57218</guid>
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			<title>Alcatraz says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57217</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ that would be so stupid, no offense and such a lateral unneeded move yes we have no goaltending depth behind lehner for bingo, buts its also not like we need franchise goalies here. Why trade a top 6 forward and someone who is producing now, for a goalie who wont produce for 5 years. Even if we like Subban it makes no sense what-so-ever unless Murray believes he has a deal in place for bishop/lehner. and even at that Subban won't be AHL eligble this year, so the whole thing of Lehner is our only AHl contract goalie doesn't get solved IMO only way we draft Subban is if Murray is 100% certain we are using Lehner to get Nash/Ryan, and doesn't see Bishop as a future franchise goalie, enter Subban]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Alcatraz</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:23:54 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57217</guid>
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			<title>TrueSensFan says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57216</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Interviews with both BM and Piere up on Sens TV nothing ground breaking but an interesting listen none the less http://video.senators.nhl.com/videocenter/console]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TrueSensFan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:09:19 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57216</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57215</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Always tough to know for sure (the Ducks have not announced it to the world) but there were heavy rumors all over near the trade deadline last year. Corroborated by enough trust-worthy talking heads to mean there had to be something to it. So while it's possible that things have changed (or everyone was wrong back then) it seems likely that the Ducks would at least listen to offers.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:57:22 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>NotwinninforM­acKinnon says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57214</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Wouldnt be surprised if Murray keeps the 15th drafts a dmen Then makes a trade folingo for bufs 21st and drafts Subban]]></description>
			<dc:creator>NotwinninforM­acKinnon</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:56:16 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57213</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I like this quote from Murry about BPA: If [Murray] ends up keeping the 15th pick, Murray said he’ll do what he always does and try to pick the best player available, regardless of position. “It’s always been my theory that you pick the best player … at that time,” he said. “And if you have to move him to get what you need later on, you probably can do that.” (swiped from senatorsextra.c om) The key is that last line. If you have two guys nearly equal then consider position. "you can probably do that" basically means if you get a forward that's significantly better than the best D left, you can trade that forward for a D that's better than the D you didn't draft. So I know this is a pet peeve that many don't care about, but the "best" in "best player available" always means someone that's clearly better than any other option - not "by a nose".]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:51:18 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57213</guid>
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			<title>Misaow says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57212</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ He could do the Hossa shuffle and join LA...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Misaow</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:46:48 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57212</guid>
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			<title>Tcharger says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57211</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I would be absolutely shocked if Parise isn't in NJ next year...You just don't go to the Stanley Cup Final and let your captain go away for nothing to free agency.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tcharger</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:45:07 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57211</guid>
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			<title>MethotToMyMadness says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57210</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I know, isnt it ridiculous? Only team to win the Cup by drafting more than adding pieces is Pittsburgh, where they got lucky and won Crosby but they did draft Malkin and Staal and Fleury. ONLY team... And we dont have any Crosby's, Malkin's or Staal's in our prospect pools. So we aint doing it that way, we are a team that will develop certain players we feel are top 6 (not much, Silf, Zib, Noesen) and the rest will be used to acquire key pieces to win the Cup. Tooks, you cannot say for sure who will be top 6 or not, that is what makes it so difficult to let go of some prospects. you cannot say that any of Stone, Prince, Pageau or Pumpel will never be in the top 6. Herein lies the difficulty, if you are GM, which ones are you willing to part with, that you think will NOT come back to haunt you. Would Nash look good alongside Spezza... no one on this forum will argue that... but at what cost? I for one firmly believe that there are more desperate teams willing to pay a higher price than us, so lets focus on others... ie Bobby Ryan, what would that cost us??? Is Ryan someone the Ducks are actually willing to part with, has he indicated he wants out or did management? If that isn't the case, how could you say it wouldn't be an overpayment on Ryan? They have some prospects coming through, but they may not have Selanne back, which would be a big loss for them.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>MethotToMyMadness</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:44:47 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57210</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57209</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Nash's cap hit is $7.8M - where are you getting "25%" or that Parise will get less than that?? 7.8M / 30M (aprox available cap space) = 26% I mentioned that Parise could be more affordable, as in we would not have to trade any prospects to get him. He could also cost less, say 7M, but will most likely cost more. Oh okay - you're talking about available space. I thought you meant 25% of our total cap room (like the OV contract almost was at first). No way Parise signs for $7M (at least not in Ottawa - maybe with some "about to win a cup" team). And, IMO, Nash is worth every penny of the $7.8M.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:34:49 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57209</guid>
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			<title>Misaow says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57208</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Nash's cap hit is $7.8M - where are you getting "25%" or that Parise will get less than that?? 7.8M / 30M (aprox available cap space) = 26% I mentioned that Parise could be more affordable, as in we would not have to trade any prospects to get him. He could also cost less, say 7M, but will most likely cost more.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Misaow</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:28:31 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57208</guid>
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			<title>miguel says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57207</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I know, isnt it ridiculous? Only team to win the Cup by drafting more than adding pieces is Pittsburgh, where they got lucky and won Crosby but they did draft Malkin and Staal and Fleury. ONLY team... And we dont have any Crosby's, Malkin's or Staal's in our prospect pools. So we aint doing it that way, we are a team that will develop certain players we feel are top 6 (not much, Silf, Zib, Noesen) and the rest will be used to acquire key pieces to win the Cup. Tooks, you cannot say for sure who will be top 6 or not, that is what makes it so difficult to let go of some prospects. you cannot say that any of Stone, Prince, Pageau or Pumpel will never be in the top 6. Herein lies the difficulty, if you are GM, which ones are you willing to part with, that you think will NOT come back to haunt you. Would Nash look good alongside Spezza... no one on this forum will argue that... but at what cost? I for one firmly believe that there are more desperate teams willing to pay a higher price than us, so lets focus on others... ie Bobby Ryan, what would that cost us???]]></description>
			<dc:creator>miguel</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:24:33 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57207</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57206</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ No way it takes three of the guys on that list. Even if they want two of them I would hope we'd walk away. Nash's cap hit is $7.8M - where are you getting "25%" or that Parise will get less than that?? Have to assume Murray knows what he's doing and that Filatov's chances of ever coming to the NHL are slim to none. Maybe if he swings a Q4Q trade he can afford to qualify him but wouldn't he then count against our 50 max or the other "unsigned" max?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:19:30 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57206</guid>
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			<title>Tcharger says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57205</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I still think if we get Nash we will have to significantly overpay, would much rather target Ryan(assuming he is still on the block...and really I would be shocked if he isn't)...going to cost a lot less, and can hopefully offer a slight over-payment and lock him down while everyone is going bonkers trying to score Nash, and undoubtedly end up overpaying for him significantly.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tcharger</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:18:25 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57205</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57204</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ It's a lot of between the lines clues, such as: - Quantity for quality - Zibanejad wasn't necessarily someone they're super high on - Possibility of trading Lehner or Bishop - Team looking hard at goalies this draft even in the 1st round - Stone and Noesen progressing faster than maybe expected A lot of little things that seem to add up.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:15:45 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57204</guid>
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			<title>MethotToMyMadness says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57203</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Well the Nash talk has really heated up here. Seems a lot more people are in the mindset he could end up here, which his a far cry from what people thought a few months ago. I'm no different, always thought he would look great in a Sens Jersey, just couldn't put together (in my mind) what it would take, that wouldn't deplete us too bad. Did I miss some information that gave more clues to a possible deal, or is it still just everyone throwing out ideas?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>MethotToMyMadness</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:12:37 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57203</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57202</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I agree, it's not bad at all. I'm personally not that huge on Parenteau as it would make a really small 2nd line, but I think this would be going in the right direction, especially since we'd still have Stone and Noesen in the wings, possibly Puempel as well.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:10:18 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57202</guid>
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			<title>boom says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57201</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Not bad...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>boom</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:23:28 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57201</guid>
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			<title>Tookie says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57200</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Players like Nash, Carle, Jackman and 2nd line punch like Parenteau is exactly what we need to make a deep push into the playoffs. Thats how successful teams do it! And at the deadline, unload newly acquired draft picks or more of the 2011 class to get more pieces if needed. Silfverberg Spezza Nash (Michalek to CBJ) Parenteau Turris Alfie (Zbad to CBJ) Foligno Smith Greening O'Brien Regin Neil Jackman Karlsson Carle Cowen Philips Gonchar Borowiecki Anderson Lehner (Bishop to CBJ) Totally doable!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tookie</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:07:02 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57200</guid>
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			<title>Tcharger says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57199</link>
			<description><![CDATA[#Sens will have goalie Daniel Altshuller in today. Also brought in Subban/Brassard . Pretty clear #Sens will target a goalie at the Draft. Interesting.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tcharger</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:04:55 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57199</guid>
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			<title>Alcatraz says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57198</link>
			<description><![CDATA[interesting question who would you prefer (keeping in mind we know the turris-rundblad trade was to happen) MZ vs Hamilton Hamilton would look good as a d prospect next to silf and stone!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Alcatraz</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:04:02 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57198</guid>
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			<title>Tookie says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57197</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Did you hear Murray this morning, he was trying to move up to the Islanders spot last year. It really sounds like Strome was the guy he was after as we didn't have a 2nd C at the time and other interviews have hinted that they had Hamilton higher than Zibanejad on their board but felt they were fine at D as they had Rundblad. I'm not sure he's as high on Zibanejad as everyone thinks he is. Not to say Zibanejad is a bad prospect, he's not, but he may not be the untradeable Alfie replacement many fans are expecting him to be. Good points, I was never that high on Zbad, dont know why, as you all know I was a Landeskog supporter! Now with 2 concussions at 19, I would say he isnt untouchable (not that he was to begin with) anymore, if another team is really high on him and willing to take a chance, we could very well see Zbad packaged for a good return.....NASH !]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tookie</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:55:30 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57197</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57196</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Did you hear Murray this morning, he was trying to move up to the Islanders spot last year. It really sounds like Strome was the guy he was after as we didn't have a 2nd C at the time and other interviews have hinted that they had Hamilton higher than Zibanejad on their board but felt they were fine at D as they had Rundblad. I'm not sure he's as high on Zibanejad as everyone thinks he is. Not to say Zibanejad is a bad prospect, he's not, but he may not be the untradeable Alfie replacement many fans are expecting him to be.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:43:44 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57196</guid>
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			<title>Mitchell says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57195</link>
			<description><![CDATA[we are NOT getting rid of Zibanejad!!!!!! !]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Mitchell</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:23:03 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57195</guid>
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			<title>The Apostle says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57194</link>
			<description><![CDATA[our 15th, Bishop and Foligno doesn't get it done. I'm not convinced that substituting Michalek for Foligno does either but it's significantly closer. The big knock on Michalek is the injury issue, I think CBJ might want a little extra insurance in case Michaleks knees explode again. I think you need another roster player at the Greening/Smith/ Condra level or one of lower end prospects like a WireCock or Prince. When Hossa went to Pittsburgh from Atlanta they had to give up a first, 2 relatively decent roster players and what was considered a high end prospect. That's what I think it will take to get Nash for anybody, unless there is another superstar coming the other way.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>The Apostle</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:19:06 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57194</guid>
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			<title>SNOOPY SENIOR says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57193</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ But Snoop it depends on who the three are. You aren't going to get Nash with (for instance) Zack Smith, Zbad and Gonchar. I think a deal would be something like 15th pick, Zbad/Stone/Silf , Michalek/Folign o and a lowish prospect such as WireCock or Gryba. If they are desperate for a tender then Bishop or Lehner replaces one of the other higher end pieces. That way we don't create an organisational gap (although I am not thrilled about trading away a goalie unless we drafgt one). Hey Apostle, On an earlier post I was ready to trade Bishop, Michalek and our 15th this year. Would prefer to send Foligno in lieu of Michalek, but they want Michalek I believe.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>SNOOPY SENIOR</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:08:18 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57193</guid>
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			<title>Tcharger says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57192</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Chirp just copy and paste that explanation it seems pretty bang on....more techie then I could write out but I understand it.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Tcharger</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:54:34 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57192</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57191</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I noticed I said Murray and there are 2 in the org. No clue who did the interview, some 1200 guy. They aren't exactly people who's names I need to know.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:51:20 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57191</guid>
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			<title>The Apostle says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57190</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ But Snoop it depends on who the three are. You aren't going to get Nash with (for instance) Zack Smith, Zbad and Gonchar. I think a deal would be something like 15th pick, Zbad/Stone/Silf , Michalek/Folign o and a lowish prospect such as WireCock or Gryba. If they are desperate for a tender then Bishop or Lehner replaces one of the other higher end pieces. That way we don't create an organisational gap (although I am not thrilled about trading away a goalie unless we drafgt one).]]></description>
			<dc:creator>The Apostle</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:49:50 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57190</guid>
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			<title>TrueSensFan says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57189</link>
			<description><![CDATA[LOL @ Sensnation, I knew it was with Murray and I think I know who Murray is haha, who interviewed Murray?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TrueSensFan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:48:30 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57189</guid>
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			<title>TrueSensFan says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57188</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I was counting on that cause either do I!!! HAHA]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TrueSensFan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:46:29 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57188</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57187</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ who was the interview with? Curious as I would like to try to find a link to the recording since I missed it or if someone has a link even better lol Brian Murray]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:45:24 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57187</guid>
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			<title>SNOOPY SENIOR says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57186</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ @ The Apostle, Agree with all your points , but still to me, 3 for 1 is more than enough! Tookie is simply " too generous " !!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>SNOOPY SENIOR</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:43:13 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57186</guid>
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			<title>TrueSensFan says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57185</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ who was the interview with? Curious as I would like to try to find a link to the recording since I missed it or if someone has a link even better lol]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TrueSensFan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:42:51 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57185</guid>
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			<title>The Apostle says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57184</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I don't know what any of that means but it sounds very convincing.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>The Apostle</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:41:35 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57184</guid>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57183</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Very interesting interview this morning with Murray. I thought his comment about trying to trade up with the Islanders last year was telling. It also sounds like he's planning to be very active at the draft with trades. This month just can't move fast enough!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:38:57 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57183</guid>
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			<title>sens23 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57182</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Completely agree with you Hax, and you probably stated it better than I have. I'm not saying go after Nash at all costs, but if the price is reasonable (2 prospects and the pick, or 3 prospects + role players) it's worth doing. exactly and it is not like the 3 prospects are going to be stone, silfverberg and zibanejad leaving the sens it would probably be something like stone, bishop, puempel and a role player or stone, puempel, 1st round pick and a later pick the sens would make out just fine if they kept 2 of stone/zibanejad /silfverberg and 1 of puempel/noesen if it meant they got nash]]></description>
			<dc:creator>sens23</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:37:58 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57182</guid>
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			<title>TrueSensFan says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57181</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Browsing directly to the IP address would not work anyways it is 184.170.130.170 this is a DNS issue on the host side of it. NS records have a configurable "time-to-live" parameter that is transmitted with the name/IP information. If your DNS server's cached record just happens to have expired, it will seek out a fresh one. Servers whose records are unexpired will hand out the information without having to seek it out again. So while the appearance may be that server A is working while B is not; in fact _whatever_ one of them happens to have an expired record would produce an error if either the root servers or the authoritative source to which they point, should fail to respond or produce flawed data. I was unable to get on again this morning (and can now obviously) it was the same exact thing yesterday ran a trace both when I could and could not get on and they have the exact same routing locations. Flushing your DNS as someone above mentioned will not work as the DNS resolver cache is dynamic and constantly changing and updating itself. Chirp, I am afraid they are telling you it is not an issue on their end, but it is and they are just not seeing it or can't be bothered, one or the other. I do not know how they have things configured but I am 90% sure it is a DNS issue They may have some sort of server cluster setup for load balancing reasons and it could be that one of the servers in the cluster is not configured properly thus when we are hitting that server we are getting errors]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TrueSensFan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:36:02 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57181</guid>
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			<title>The Apostle says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57180</link>
			<description><![CDATA[That doesn't take into account that Heatley was bending the organisation over a barrel and was about to re-enact the scene in Maynard's shop from Pulp Fiction. Murray had no options but to force a deal through for Heatley with SJ. Howson, at this point in time, has options. It's going to take more to get Nash than it did Heatley. Heatley was already declining as a player when the Senators got rid of him. He went 50-50-41-39 with the Senators and his goal totals have decreased each year since then. If you are so keen to bring up Heatley's 50 goals then you shouldalso point out that Murray brought back a 50 goal scorer. You can't have it both ways. Heatley is never scoring 50 again, they are both former 50 goal scorers. There is no suggestion that Nash is on the decline in the same way. Nash's numbers are decreasing as well but not so dramatically and Heatley has played on far better teams than Nash has.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>The Apostle</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:26:34 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/720-wednesday-news-and-notes#comment-57180</guid>
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