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		<title>Murray Not Moving Prospects</title>
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			<title>Mark says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-40040</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Kuba can definately help us win a Stanley Cup.... by trading his ass out of town for a 2nd round pick or straight up for Ruutu]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:04:15 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-40040</guid>
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			<title>Spensar says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39830</link>
			<description><![CDATA[No short term fix, but that doesn't rule out a significant deal if it fits with the Sens long term plans.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Spensar</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:00:03 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39830</guid>
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			<title>Dirk Diggler says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39705</link>
			<description><![CDATA[All the debate over Kuba is good. It's better to have to talk about moving assets than selling liabilities. In the end Murray will do the right thing whether it's keep or sell Kuba. I'll be happy with whatever is chosen. Go Sens Go!!!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Dirk Diggler</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:56:21 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39705</guid>
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			<title>Sandy says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39704</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Why do people give up on players before they turn 25? These are kids we are talking about. Some guys take longer roads then others. Not that Lee will ever be a top 2 d-man but he can still be a solid top 6 dman for another 10 years. I really like the way Lee is playing... so I would say no to getting Kubina. According to Pierre McGuire (yeah I know) he says Kubina's game has fallen off a lot.... Sooner have Lee.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:33:32 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39704</guid>
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			<title>boom says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39703</link>
			<description><![CDATA[If it was Foligno plus Zibanejad, then Anaheim would consider it. Would Ottawa?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>boom</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:25:12 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39703</guid>
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			<title>Ozzyb says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39702</link>
			<description><![CDATA[If I was Anaheim theres no way I would trade B Ryan for Floigno and our 1st. Last year I might, but not with this years 1st.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ozzyb</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:10:19 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39702</guid>
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			<title>TheSensTruth says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39701</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ HTP (homer trade proposal) score = 7]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TheSensTruth</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:02:31 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39701</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39700</link>
			<description><![CDATA[On Brian Lee: While it is true that his value is higher than in the past and that he's apparently been on the block before. NOW is finally the time where he's got a legit shot at being a regular on our blueline going forward. Kuba's as good as gone (if not by the deadline then after the season). Gonchar has one year or less left. Carkner of course is below Lee on the depth chart anyway and very possibly gone by the deadline or after this year. So Lee pretty much slots into 3rd/4th on the "future" blueline. Karlsson and Cowen are both ahead of him of course and Phillips isn't going anywhere. So until two or three other guys push Lee back into the press box, I think he's someone to keep around and expect good things from. Doesn't mean he's not "available" for the right price - but I don't see us trading him for a better D or anything, so I say keep him.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:02:06 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39700</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39699</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Ott's a better and cheaper option but Penner's a UFA so less commitment on our side. Not sure if I'd give up much for him, but I wouldn't be too upset if we acquired Ott.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:45:39 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39699</guid>
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			<title>ZeddyP says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39698</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ ummm...just a little tidbit the sunshine state = Florida not California]]></description>
			<dc:creator>ZeddyP</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:45:07 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39698</guid>
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			<title>Ozzyb says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39697</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Read a rumor today about the sens having interest in LW Steve Ott of Dallas. Do you guys think that hes a better option then Penner?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ozzyb</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:38:20 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39697</guid>
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			<title>LeGatinois says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39696</link>
			<description><![CDATA[The man who lost his hapiness ! http://i.imgur.com/Tt6QT.jpg really funny]]></description>
			<dc:creator>LeGatinois</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:37:56 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39696</guid>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39695</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ So after the Ducks GM laughs his ass off - then what?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:21:38 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39695</guid>
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			<title>Big_S says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39694</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Offer Anaheim Foligno and our 1st round pick this year(will likely be somewhere in the 15-30 area) for Bobby Ryan. Ryan would definitely give the Sens the fire power they would need for a good playoff run and at 24 years of age, has lots of hockey in front of him.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Big_S</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:02:25 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39694</guid>
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			<title>John Q. Spartan says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39693</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Ummmm... pretty much standard answer by Murray. What else would you expect him to say? It's only confirming the obvious.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>John Q. Spartan</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:49:07 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39693</guid>
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			<title>SNOOPY SENIOR says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39692</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ @ ZachPraiseTheSw edes, Why would you fabricate such nonsense, about where SensChirp gets his inside information, and stating that TSN is his source?? SensChirp has been the first to break the news many times on matters related to the Ottawa Senators. You sir, seem to be guessing, more so than SensChirp in your statement and false accusations. You need to apologize, and retract your false accusations on the owner of this site !!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>SNOOPY SENIOR</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:30:18 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39692</guid>
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			<title>Ozzyb says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39691</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I agree but I never said give up on Brian Lee. All I said was his stock has never been higher and we could get Kubina and resign him if it works out (just like we did with Andy). A year ago people throwing Lee under the bus. He has one good season, plays 50% of the games and he becomes a hockey god lol. ps. Zach don't be a douche:)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ozzyb</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:50:24 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39691</guid>
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			<title>SensChirp says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39690</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Always willing to take criticism. I have never claimed to have all the answers. What I do have is some very well placed sources that have told me, time and time again, the Sens will not be adding a significant contract this year. All I can do is pass along what I hear. Even in the case of Turris, I mentioned a couple times that he was a player that I had heard they were looking at. Not sure what more you expect.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>SensChirp</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:38:11 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39690</guid>
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			<title>TheSensTruth says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39689</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Another good example is O'brien. He's taken so long that many had written him off. That doesn't mean that he'll stick around but he's performed very well so far. Another good example is the Red Wings organization. Their draft picks dont even get a sniff of the NHL until they are 22...and that includes Datsyuk and Zetterberg.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TheSensTruth</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:28:25 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39689</guid>
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			<title>T K says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39688</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Another good example is O'brien. He's taken so long that many had written him off. That doesn't mean that he'll stick around but he's performed very well so far.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>T K</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:16:44 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39688</guid>
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			<title>DenisVial says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39687</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ If you find this blog not to your liking I have a fabulous idea for you. you, Take your Sundin jersey, turn it sideways and shove it up your ass dickwad. You participate in this forum yet choose to criticise the provider? Why don't you start your own blog and call it "I don't have the balls to predict shit so just watch TSN and we can talk about it later." Who the fuck ever prognosticates big moves in any sport with more than 5% success? NO ONE! Either enjoy the blog for what it is or Peluso and I will find you and send you back to TO in your gimp chest!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>DenisVial</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:14:26 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39687</guid>
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			<title>TheSensTruth says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39686</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Yeah wait until they start playing against younger players who werent in the NHL before they hit puberty. Especially Cowen. He could be a beast when he becomes a man.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TheSensTruth</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:12:02 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39686</guid>
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			<title>TheSensTruth says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39685</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Why do people give up on players before they turn 25? These are kids we are talking about. Some guys take longer roads then others. Not that Lee will ever be a top 2 d-man but he can still be a solid top 6 dman for another 10 years.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TheSensTruth</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:08:52 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39685</guid>
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			<title>T K says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39684</link>
			<description><![CDATA[While looking up decrepid, old Saku Koivu's age, out of curiosity, I scanned the Sens player's birthdays. Then I had one of those surreal flashes. Both Cowen & Karlsson were born in the NINETIES! I might have slept with their moms! Talk about feeling old!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>T K</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:06:07 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39684</guid>
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			<title>TheSensTruth says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39683</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ You can never know for sure. If the Sens did aquire Nash/ Carter it would be for a surprisingly low return. That being said, they won't pay top dollar for either of them. On another note it's difficult to provide "inside information" on a blog even if you have it. If Chirp has a solid contact for info, and he starts divulging too much information, that contact will quickly tighten his lips. He isn't Eklund. What you have to realize is that alot of the Sens management team grew up I the valley and have friends who they tell inside info to over a few beers. Just because Chirp doesn't be more specific doesn't mean he doesn't have an inside source of info. I can te you most things he says allign with what I hear from my friends. Take it or go to HockeyBuzz.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TheSensTruth</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:02:28 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39683</guid>
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			<title>Ozzyb says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39682</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Do you guys think now’s a good chance to trade Brian Lee? Macleans done a wonderful job in raising his stock but I really don’t see a long term future with him on our team. I can see TB giving Lee a shot and that could allow us to get Kubina without giving up much. It would also give our D a nice little boost that we'll need going into the playoffs.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Ozzyb</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:59:49 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39682</guid>
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			<title>HollywoodStyle says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39681</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ On a happier note, Mark Stone had 5 pts tonight (1g 4a) putting him at 99 on the season - and keeping him well in the scoring lead of the WHL...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>HollywoodStyle</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:23:44 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39681</guid>
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			<title>T K says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39680</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Regardless of who wins the SE, the weakest team in the top 4 will be 3rd. Sens' best outcome means finishing 6th in the East. Go Sens! (Having said this probably jinxes them into 10th...)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>T K</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:15:43 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39680</guid>
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			<title>WeAreSensFans! says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39679</link>
			<description><![CDATA[hemsky looks like poop, some idiot will trade for him...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>WeAreSensFans!</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:01:41 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39679</guid>
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			<title>Jeremy65 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39678</link>
			<description><![CDATA[@Mat - you having some trouble posting there bro?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Jeremy65</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:53:43 -0500</pubDate>
			<guid>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39678</guid>
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			<title>timwrx says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39677</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Bingo lost 5-1 tonight. Not much prospecting in this game. It was ugly...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>timwrx</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:24:37 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39676</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I simply pointed out that it's not likely. He hasn't been great this year, he's getting older, he's got another year at $5.5M and he has a NMC. So it's pretty unlikely that he'll get moved. Possible? Sure. Just unlikely. Kaberle is 4 years younger and making $1.25M less against the cap - and their numbers this season are very close.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:22:26 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Mat says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39675</link>
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			<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:20:17 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Mat says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39673</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Florida just shat the bed with Washington. Idiots...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:04:35 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>HKYcountry says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39672</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Trading Kuba could be dicey for the reasons people have already discussed. Trading Kuba because of his contract status makes sense...but then again the team did struggle when he was out of the lineup this year.....so on Kuba it's a coin flip. That being said...I don't think he gets moved unless something significant happens over the next 2 weeks. I like what Murray has come out and said...it's the right approach for the franchise. IF we were to look at adding a forward, a guy I wouldn't mind Murray kicking the tires on would be PA Parenteau. Yes he's a UFA, but he is only 28 and would definitely fit into the rebuild path we are on. As long as the price isn't steep...I think he'd bee worth looking at.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>HKYcountry</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:04:23 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Mat says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ It's not that people want to keep Gonchar, it's that some people are aware of his NMC and the fact that no team is likely to take on his contract. Tons of teams are looking for PMDs. If someone is willing to take on Tomas Kaberle's contract for another 2 year, than there's no reason why Gonchar couldn't be a serviceable PMD veteran somewhere for this year and the next. He may be willing to waive the NMC in order to be on a team that is more of a contender. To think there is only one answer is pretty arrogant in my views..]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:53:08 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>sens fan in mtl says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39670</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I have. He's good but I don't like him enough to give up what you outlined. And he's only 22 so his draft position does play into it since in 3-4 years whoever we draft with our first rounder could be better than Subban. I'm not saying he's not good, but I just don't think he's proven enough yet to be worth all that - especially since Montreal isn't trying harder to find room to keep him. If Ottawa was in "cap hell" I don't think we'd be looking to unload Karlsson. Being in Montreal, I see this kid all the time and yes has some talent, but there is no way i would want him on the Sens, completely selfish player, takes bad penalties all the time (often when the Habs have a power play), makes a lot of mental mistakes and clearly has an attitude problem (recall him going at it with Ladouceur, the assistance coach, during the Pens game - shameful!). no way he fits into this team's philosophy. As for fighting, really??? i guess you are not watching closely. here is a clip you need to see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heF3OY2Pnoo whatever little respect i had for him was gone after the dirty elbow to krecji with follow up turtle when challenged by ference. i would on the other hand take someone like emelin - reminds me of A-train but with better skating skills.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>sens fan in mtl</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:58:37 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Dorkeiwicz says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ EEEEEEEYORE !]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Dorkeiwicz</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:49:50 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39668</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ It's not that people want to keep Gonchar, it's that some people are aware of his NMC and the fact that no team is likely to take on his contract. Amen (but he's 35). Go elsewhere. You will not be missed.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:46:22 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>ZachPraiseTheSwedes says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hey Chirp I have to be honest I enjoy reading your blog however... I am beginning to be fed up with the lack of 'inside information'. Like I said yesterday there hasn't been much legit facts being thrown out. Instead it's been all speculation. You're guessing about everything and wording it in such a way that makes it sound like it's coming from a source. I'm starting to think your only source is TSN because everything you post has already been written there. You give us info on a daily basis about what will or won't happen and time and time again you find yourself surprised with what actually ends up happening. (I.e us trading Rundblad). How bad would you look if Ottawa goes out and gets Nash or Carter or adds any salary for that matter. I will be laughing A LOT]]></description>
			<dc:creator>ZachPraiseTheSwedes</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:42:28 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Anonymustache says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39666</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I think some ofyou guys are missing that kuba is 34.....no way we waste any more cap space on him unless it's less than a mill. He's simply too old for this team moving fwd.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Anonymustache</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:39:04 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Mat says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I don't get the hate on this. I would do this in a second. Obviously this is purely speculative but I'm amazed at the number of people who would keep Gonchar. If someone is willing to take his salary, we should be ecstatic! Use the savings, sign Kuba for 1-2 years and get a top 6 rental. Major win for us!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:57:52 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39664</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Another thing that might play into the Keep/Trade decision on Kuba is what Murray can get for Carkner or Konopka. If he's able to get a second for Kono or fill that gap in our picks through other wheeling and dealing then keeping Kuba is easier. If the only way to get that second round pick back into the fold is to give up Kuba it's a bit harder to keep him. Hey - I want to run into the playoffs and act like we belong there too, but I don't want to regret it too much on draft day either.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:32:23 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39663</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I have. He's good but I don't like him enough to give up what you outlined. And he's only 22 so his draft position does play into it since in 3-4 years whoever we draft with our first rounder could be better than Subban. I'm not saying he's not good, but I just don't think he's proven enough yet to be worth all that - especially since Montreal isn't trying harder to find room to keep him. If Ottawa was in "cap hell" I don't think we'd be looking to unload Karlsson.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:19:58 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>frankiefives says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I believe the "Keep Kuba" side of the argument has been presented quite well in this thread. Read the posts above if you really need further convincing. Again Chirp I have to disagree, I think it is fairly split on the keep Kuba, and the trade Kuba, both arguments make some sense... all depends on how much a team is willing to give for him I guess but (surprise) I am still on the trade him, especially if Gill went for that much OK, let's say we trade Kuba for exactly what Gill went for. I'd say that's a fair comparison. You would prefer to trade Kuba and weaken our chances of making it out of the 1st round of the playoffs (or even holding onto our playoff spot) for a so-so prospect, a career minor leaguer and a 2nd round pick? Thanks but I prefer to keep Kuba and cross my fingers that the Sens can surprise a team or two come playoff time]]></description>
			<dc:creator>frankiefives</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:13:57 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39661</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Reasons to trade Kuba: 1. He's not part of the rebuild/future. 2. His value is high compared to other times during his current contract. 3. There's not much value in letting him walk for nothing. 4. If Hal Gill gets a 2nd, a recent 2nd and prospect - what could we get for Kuba closer to the deadline?? Possible reasons to keep him: 1. If we don't get any decent offers (I would say anything less than a second rounder from a bubble team) 2. If Murray *knows* that he's a popular guy in the room and the morale hit would be major (i.e. outweigh a potential return) 3. If Murray *knows* that none of the Bingo guys can step in (clearly Lee moves into the top 4 and the Bingo guy would play third pairing) Bottom line, it's not a matter of trade him or not, it's a matter of how much do we need to get back. If the Hal Gill trade is any indication I would think the offers might be really good so I would say trade him. Of course, only Murray and MacLean know for sure about the locker room and Bingo guys etc (or even any potential impact on Karlsson). If Murray keeps him I'm going to assume none of the offers made it worth his while.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:11:31 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>miguel says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39660</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I believe the "Keep Kuba" side of the argument has been presented quite well in this thread. Read the posts above if you really need further convincing. Again Chirp I have to disagree, I think it is fairly split on the keep Kuba, and the trade Kuba, both arguments make some sense... all depends on how much a team is willing to give for him I guess but (surprise) I am still on the trade him, especially if Gill went for that much]]></description>
			<dc:creator>miguel</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:04:29 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>darthsens911 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39659</link>
			<description><![CDATA[The reason I think it is realistic is because he is an RFA at the end of the year and Montreal is in cap hell. As mentioned above they will have 5 million in cap space and have to sign Price and Subban to big contracts. Price will want 6+mil, so I think this is a good opportunity to snag Subban. I agree with their cap hell but the only way they move subban to solve anything would be to include gomez to get rid of that horrible contract. IMO. Even then, I don't think they would chance that scenario either. Subban is too important to their team and his friendship with price could hamper them re-signing their star goalie if subban was let go.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>darthsens911</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:03:09 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>senskarlsson57 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39658</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ No, I'm not a fan of giving up our first and the second (or more if the Hal Gill return is any indication) we could get for Kuba for PK Subban (a 2nd round pick himself). I'd rather trust Murray to draft someone better with our first. Subban is good and all, but he's not exactly Suter yet. Have you watched Subban play?? The guy has 12 points in his first 21 playoff games, and most of them came in his rookie year. The guy play such intense and exciting hockey, and you need to give in order to get. Oh and btw, just because a guy is drafted in a certain round doesn't mean that that's what he is worth. Do you think Alfie is worth a 6th round pick. Even better, do you think Karlsson is worth a mid first-rounder? I think Subban has done more than enough to prove he is worth that return.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>senskarlsson57</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:01:30 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>hq8 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39657</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ So you want to trade Kuba (who appears to be worth a second) and our 1st for Subban? A guy who apparently Montreal wants to get rid of? While I don't think it is realistic, I would make that trade in a heartbeat... Subban is an elite talent that the Canadiens would be foolish to abandon but if their train wreck of a management team deems that he is expendable, it would be amazing to get him. The reason I think it is realistic is because he is an RFA at the end of the year and Montreal is in cap hell. As mentioned above they will have 5 million in cap space and have to sign Price and Subban to big contracts. Price will want 6+mil, so I think this is a good opportunity to snag Subban. lol or grab price maybe haha....obvious ly not for the sens because the haul he will demand will be ridiculous.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>hq8</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:00:28 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39656</link>
			<description><![CDATA[And really for those worrying that Karlsson is going to cry himself to sleep if Kuba is traded: They will simply pair him with Cowen (for the next 10 years or so maybe) and he will not even remember Kuba's first name in about a week. (Over-stating it to make a point of course, but Karlsson doesn't need Kuba to play well, Cowen is a perfectly suitable partner.)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:57:29 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>frankiefives says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39655</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Yes, I do believe PART of EK's success is due to the strong play of Kuba. Let me ask you this: If Kuba was having a terrible season playing alongside Karlsson, do you really believe EK would be as successful as he's been? This is a TEAM sport. When the players around you are doing their jobs, it allows you to do yours. Karlsson is an offensive defenseman who makes a TON of mistakes. His +/- is often helped by Kuba who has his back when he has a bad giveaway or makes a bad play. Does it mean there isn't someone else who can eventually take Kuba's spot alongside Karlsson? Not at all but certainly not this late in the season or going into the playoffs As for trading for Subban, he is a head case. His attitude is the reason why the Habs would consider moving him. I don't think Ottawa would want a guy like that]]></description>
			<dc:creator>frankiefives</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:57:16 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>senskarlsson57 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39654</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ So you want to trade Kuba (who appears to be worth a second) and our 1st for Subban? A guy who apparently Montreal wants to get rid of? While I don't think it is realistic, I would make that trade in a heartbeat... Subban is an elite talent that the Canadiens would be foolish to abandon but if their train wreck of a management team deems that he is expendable, it would be amazing to get him. The reason I think it is realistic is because he is an RFA at the end of the year and Montreal is in cap hell. As mentioned above they will have 5 million in cap space and have to sign Price and Subban to big contracts. Price will want 6+mil, so I think this is a good opportunity to snag Subban.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>senskarlsson57</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:55:51 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Phoenix says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39653</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Chirp, Any word on the Sens signing any NCAA players. I am sure this would impact what Murray might do at the deadline when in comes to moving assets.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Phoenix</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:54:26 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39652</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ No, I'm not a fan of giving up our first and the second (or more if the Hal Gill return is any indication) we could get for Kuba for PK Subban (a 2nd round pick himself). I'd rather trust Murray to draft someone better with our first. Subban is good and all, but he's not exactly Suter yet.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:53:42 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>darthsens911 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39651</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ So you want to trade Kuba (who appears to be worth a second) and our 1st for Subban? A guy who apparently Montreal wants to get rid of? While I don't think it is realistic, I would make that trade in a heartbeat... Subban is an elite talent that the Canadiens would be foolish to abandon but if their train wreck of a management team deems that he is expendable, it would be amazing to get him.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>darthsens911</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:52:46 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39650</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ What are you guys smoking? 1 - why would Kuba resign for one more year only and why cheap? His value is high and the market for D is decent so he'll want to cash in. 2 - why do we want a 35 year old plugging up our blueline when we've got young guys coming up and two other old timer already plugging up the blueline that we can't easily get rid of]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:50:27 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>senskarlsson57 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39649</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ So you want to trade Kuba (who appears to be worth a second) and our 1st for Subban? A guy who apparently Montreal wants to get rid of? I'm guessing you're not a fan? And btw I never said they wanted to get rid of him...I said they might be looking at moving him (obviously if the right price comes along)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>senskarlsson57</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:50:25 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Hax says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39648</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ So you want to trade Kuba (who appears to be worth a second) and our 1st for Subban? A guy who apparently Montreal wants to get rid of?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Hax</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:48:19 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>jakester says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39647</link>
			<description><![CDATA[My take is that the game changes in the playoffs and I think that it might be time to graduate a Gryba who's Big and Physical to the big leagues(perfect for playoff hockey). You get a good pick for Kuba and we grow from there. It's not as if I'm saying I think that with Gryba that the Sens are automatically out in Round 1. I'm a fan and want us to get something for a guy who won't be here next year. These young guys battled in the Minors last year and won it all, its about time we gave them hope that they can be promoted to the big leagues. Nothing more depressing than being in a job with no hope of a promotion. Then all we draft with our first 2 picks this year are D-men(big D-men). Then this team is set. I think the Sens can make a run in this years playoffs with or without Kuba. Fun talking with you guys.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>jakester</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:44:11 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>senskarlsson57 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39646</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I honestly think we should make a 3-way trade to try and get PK Subban. The guy is fantastic; he hits, he scores, he fights, etc. Plus I heard them on tsn the other talking the other day about how Montreal could possibly be looking at moving him. Example: NY Rangers: Filip Kuba Ottawa: PK Subban Montreal: 2nd rounder+prospec t from NY Ottawa 1st round pick Our D looks like: Karlsson-Cowen Subban-Phillips Gonchar-Lee Borocop thoughts?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>senskarlsson57</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:42:57 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Phoenix says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39645</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Something to remember. Karlsson also did very well with Sutton when he was here briefly. If I remember correctly Karlsson also gave credit to Sutton for his development. Why couldn't that be the same if someone new or current is put in place of Kuba.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Phoenix</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:39:03 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>WeAreSensFans! says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Lets be honest here guys, if it weren't for andy everyone's stats would look bad, Kuba has good +/- because of Andy.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>WeAreSensFans!</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:22:51 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Sandy says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[A little off topic.... but are there any decent NCAA UFA's coming 'out' this season. I remember reading earlier this season about a really big defenseman... Any worthwhile for the Sens to take a run at?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:53:46 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Mitchell says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Please read post #45. Its about this team's success as a team as one unit. Kuba is an important part of the team and yes he does have a positive impact on Karlsson to a large extent. The sample size suggests that, whats the point in denying it? And yes, not resigning him will be a tricky decision given his performance this year and his chemistry with Karlsson. Its going to be a judgement call because you could keep him for another year or two and dangle him at the future deadline as our system guys move up. Certainly cowen showed chemistry, but this is Cowen's first ever season in the NHL, he is a complete rookie compared to Karlsson who quite amazingly seems to be the lead horse for the Norris all of a sudden. Again, reiteration: its about team success and solid team chemistry. Certain pieces sometimes become crucial and Kuba has become crucial in an intangible manner all of a sudden. and btw, its not so intangible either because he has decent #s. I'd resign Kuba to a 1 year contract extension but with no extras (NMC NTC etc.) and hopefully that'll allow cowen to get his offensive ability up before next trade deadline, and ship kuba off]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Mitchell</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:42:46 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Mitchell says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I'm a little confused, I'm a fan of Ales Hemsky but according to some we don't want him due to his injuries. Then we talk about wanting Zach Parise don't get me wrong his one of the best in the game. but he repeatedly injuries the same right knee year after year.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Mitchell</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:39:51 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>hq8 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39640</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Please read post #45. Its about this team's success as a team as one unit. Kuba is an important part of the team and yes he does have a positive impact on Karlsson to a large extent. The sample size suggests that, whats the point in denying it? And yes, not resigning him will be a tricky decision given his performance this year and his chemistry with Karlsson. Its going to be a judgement call because you could keep him for another year or two and dangle him at the future deadline as our system guys move up. Certainly cowen showed chemistry, but this is Cowen's first ever season in the NHL, he is a complete rookie compared to Karlsson who quite amazingly seems to be the lead horse for the Norris all of a sudden. Again, reiteration: its about team success and solid team chemistry. Certain pieces sometimes become crucial and Kuba has become crucial in an intangible manner all of a sudden. and btw, its not so intangible either because he has decent #s.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>hq8</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:33:58 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>taxman says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[You all genuinely think that EK's success this year is based solely on the fact that he's playing with Kuba? YOu think his confidence is going to be shattered? If that's the case, I guess he's going to suck next year unless we resign Kuba. He looked just fine when we played him with Cowen earlier this year, and I'd wager that his success this year, as compared to last year, has more to do with the coach's system than Kuba's average play. If we're saying that this team's success hinges on Kuba this year, I think we're in more trouble than we realize.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>taxman</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:27:54 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>hq8 says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[extending Kuba's impact on Karlsson. With 53pts and a +10 rating in 59 games.....can we all agree that this guy takes the Norris this year easily. i mean all that B.S about him being defensively weak is nonsense now. and hey he plays with Kuba who himself is a respectable +16 (mini-Norris for Kuba from Karlsson). on top of that he is within League top 15 in Average TOI. The closest guy to him in points with better +/- is Shea Weber at 37pts and +/- 20. I think if anyone votes Karlsson down for the Norris clearly needs to shut it down and find another career.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>hq8</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:07:19 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>TheSensTruth says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39637</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Brian's answer is: "Well Eric, we think this team is deep enough to make a run even without the guy who, at best, was going to be your partner for the rest of thiss year, and not beyond. We're not only about winning in the short-term here in Ottawa, we're about the present and the future, and we want that future to be a winning one. So we thought, if there was a way we could strengthen our team for the future, while not hindering our chances this year, why not do it." ut Bryan, how can you not say this is going to hinder our chances this season? Now I have to play with Carkner or some guy that is even younger then I am and you expect them to cover for me when I lead the rush and make bad pinching decisions at the blue line?"]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TheSensTruth</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:55:31 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>frankiefives says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39636</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Brian's answer is: "Well Eric, we think this team is deep enough to make a run even without the guy who, at best, was going to be your partner for the rest of thiss year, and not beyond. We're not only about winning in the short-term here in Ottawa, we're about the present and the future, and we want that future to be a winning one. So we thought, if there was a way we could strengthen our team for the future, while not hindering our chances this year, why not do it." But you DID hinder the team this year by trading the guy I am comfortable with... would be his answer. My point is that you do not want to ruin anyone's confidence right now. Karlsson is playing his best hockey and a lot has to do with Kuba. What you would get in return would have no immediate impact and it could potentially be nothing (if the picks don't pan out). If Kuba could fetch you a young prospect who is NHL ready next season I'd be willing to listen. Other than that, no thanks]]></description>
			<dc:creator>frankiefives</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:52:45 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>taxman says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39635</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Brian's answer is: "Well Eric, we think this team is deep enough to make a run even without the guy who, at best, was going to be your partner for the rest of thiss year, and not beyond. We're not only about winning in the short-term here in Ottawa, we're about the present and the future, and we want that future to be a winning one. So we thought, if there was a way we could strengthen our team for the future, while not hindering our chances this year, why not do it."]]></description>
			<dc:creator>taxman</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:45:56 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>TheSensTruth says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39634</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ So Nail Yakupov, based on the clip he is scoring against this uber strong defence crop must be the best player ever? Of course then so are all the guys drafted last year and the year before who ate lighting it up. Apparently the only guys who can't score (in the CHL) are the draft eligible players this season. Underrated? Or just weak...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TheSensTruth</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:42:51 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>SensPuckLuck says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39633</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Not a chance...you'd be lucky if its a second and a prospect.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>SensPuckLuck</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:24:46 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>boom says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39632</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Ahh, no...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>boom</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:23:20 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>sensgod says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39631</link>
			<description><![CDATA[If somebody was willing to give up a 2nd pick for Moore, Kuba should fetch at least two 1st's.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>sensgod</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:22:07 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>taxman says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39630</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I want Parise here as much as anyone, but he's by no means a guarantee to sign with us. And if we could get rid of Kuba's salary, acquire picks and/or prospects, and sign Parise on top of that, how would that be a bad thing?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>taxman</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:14:55 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39629</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Jumping late on the draft discussion here, but this year is not a weak draft for any position. It's one of the deepest we've seen in a while for both D and goalies, and the forwards are about 7-10 deep at the top and then quite a few other quality players who will go in the first 2-3 rounds. The thing is after those top 10 forwards, 11-50 are probably all comparable, as some have mentioned, but they are comparably good. That doesn't make it a poor draft though! I think in 5-7 years we will look back on this year as a year where a lot of later picks turn into quality NHL players. One of the benefits of a strong D and goalie class is that the forwards are often underrated. They have been exposed to higher than average opposition as well which can only help in their long term development towards the NHL.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:13:22 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>frankiefives says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39628</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ OK, I'll ask this question. You or anyone else in favor of trading Kuba can answer Murray trades Kuba for "assets" next week. Right after the trade, Karlsson walks into his office and asks "Bryan, I'm curious, why did you trade my D partner? I'm having an amazing year and alot of it has to do with Kuba. I feel confident playing with him. Did you not feel like we could surprise some teams in the playoffs?" Bryan's answer is...???]]></description>
			<dc:creator>frankiefives</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:13:03 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>TheSensTruth says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39627</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ If it makes you feel better we will be trading Kuba (UFA) for Parise (UFA) in the offseason. How does that fit in you asset management / maximizing returns philosophy.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TheSensTruth</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:11:48 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>SensChirp says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39626</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Likewise!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>SensChirp</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:06:31 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39625</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Agreed, other than the Bruins who seem to have our number, there is no reason based on this year's head to head games, that we could not knock of every other team ahead of us. of course that is wishful thinking, but like they say, once you are in, anything is possible. Agreed. there would only be four teams in the league right now who you could say today have the best shots with high confidence: Penguins, Vancouver, Boston, Detroit. Pens, Canucks, Bruins because of the pieces they have already....and Detroit because its Detroit. Other than that everyone else has the same shot and also atleast a piece away in one of forwards,defens e or goalies from being bonafide contender. I don't think you can exclude the NY Rangers. In my opinion it's between them, Boston, Vancouver and Detroit this year. However, I also think LA and Washington are built for the playoffs and will step it up come that time, should they make it.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:05:40 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>taxman says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39624</link>
			<description><![CDATA[We kept the ATrain, we kept Chara, and got nothing for either of them. With all due respect, Kuba is not half the player that either of those two were. Is he playing well? Yes. Is he irreplaceable? I doubt it. People say that once we're in the play-offs, all bets are off. This may be true, but that argument goes both ways. We could go in on a slump, end up in 8th, and get swept by the Rangers or Boston in the first round. Then we'd have hindered our rebuild, and gotten 2 nights worth of revenue for home games. The only way the "keep Kuba" scenario works out is if we get a few home games in the play-offs. Alternatively, you could trade him, get some pieces back for the future, and again, go into the play-offs saying "all bets are off." You really mean to tell me that Kuba will be the difference between us making the play-offs and not? He's playing well, but he's no shutdown man, nor is he an offensive powerhouse. As for it not being a deep draft, I would've thought people would know better by now. It may not be deep in terms of known quantity superstars, but how many times have we seen someone go in a later round and turn out to be an absolute gem. That can happen regardless of whether the draft is deep or not, because a gem like that is by definition a pleasant surprise. Why not stockpile as many pieces as we can get? Potentially getting three components for Kuba and people want to turn that down?]]></description>
			<dc:creator>taxman</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:02:53 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>SwedishSens says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39623</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I believe the "Keep Kuba" side of the argument has been presented quite well in this thread. Read the posts above if you really need further convincing. I'm convinced that people here don't want what's best for this teams future ..I'm more convinced people want playoff hockey now and that's it which is sad And I'm convinced that you completely ignore the human element of this sport. It's a business of we can make the playoffs and trade Kuba for a overpayment it's a win win Haha why in the hell is it a business for you? You are a FAN of the team, remember? Go Sens Go and stuff like that? Sorry, I understand that in the end this is a business, but not for the fans. The fact that a supporter of the team would care so deeply about maximizing assets that they would prefer the team trade a top 4 D for a draft pick? I just dont get it. Guess you don't get it then .." maximizing assets (Kuba) with future growth " u see him as a top 4 I see him as middle 30 's and a ufa It's been good chirping u with senschirp]]></description>
			<dc:creator>SwedishSens</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:02:49 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>SensChirp says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39622</link>
			<description><![CDATA[While we all don't agree on the issue I would like to commend everyone for keeping the debate lively yet civil. Obviously some good points on both sides. Kudos to the readers!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>SensChirp</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:01:24 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Sensnation says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39621</link>
			<description><![CDATA[That Gill trade does seem like a slight overpayment, but it's not that out of this world. Most DFDs like him will normally go for a 2nd or a 2nd and a player. Slaney and the 5th are pretty much null. The biggest thing about this trade is what it means to Nashville. They are obviously making a run this year, which likely signals that both Weber and Suter will be retained. Ryan Ellis however would now appear to be trade bait!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sensnation</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:00:49 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>hq8 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39620</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Agreed, other than the Bruins who seem to have our number, there is no reason based on this year's head to head games, that we could not knock of every other team ahead of us. of course that is wishful thinking, but like they say, once you are in, anything is possible. Agreed. there would only be four teams in the league right now who you could say today have the best shots with high confidence: Penguins, Vancouver, Boston, Detroit. Pens, Canucks, Bruins because of the pieces they have already....and Detroit because its Detroit. Other than that everyone else has the same shot and also atleast a piece away in one of forwards,defens e or goalies from being bonafide contender. can't help but laugh that people actually are implying that the sens tank just because they think the sens won't go too far in the playoffs. unbelievable. you know what, this is a low point for sens fans as far as i am concerned. leafs fans are better than us at this that their playoff starvation would atleast allow them to have level heads to want to make the playoffs. but us sens fans are such stuck up elitist snobs that we would rather tank than take a shot at it. what a bunch of stupid bandwagoners, fickle and brittle like maple leafs on the ground at the end of fall. ATROCIOUS.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>hq8</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:59:50 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>SensChirp says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39619</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I believe the "Keep Kuba" side of the argument has been presented quite well in this thread. Read the posts above if you really need further convincing. I'm convinced that people here don't want what's best for this teams future ..I'm more convinced people want playoff hockey now and that's it which is sad And I'm convinced that you completely ignore the human element of this sport. It's a business of we can make the playoffs and trade Kuba for a overpayment it's a win win Haha why in the hell is it a business for you? You are a FAN of the team, remember? Go Sens Go and stuff like that? Sorry, I understand that in the end this is a business, but not for the fans. The fact that a supporter of the team would care so deeply about maximizing assets that they would prefer the team trade a top 4 D for a draft pick? I just dont get it.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>SensChirp</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:59:44 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>SwedishSens says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39618</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I believe the "Keep Kuba" side of the argument has been presented quite well in this thread. Read the posts above if you really need further convincing. I'm convinced that people here don't want what's best for this teams future ..I'm more convinced people want playoff hockey now and that's it which is sad And I'm convinced that you completely ignore the human element of this sport.[/ It's a business and if we can make the playoffs and trade Kuba it's a win win for the club and fan base]]></description>
			<dc:creator>SwedishSens</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:56:09 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>hq8 says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ yea unfortunately for all the kuba-traders on this forum, the last time they saw the playoffs was on the ps3/xbox360 playing NHL 12. looking back at people's comparison of ottawas situation with Mtl, you have to literally do FACEPALM at the idiocity of the comparison: 1. Nashville and Philly are in playoff spots actually and are adding pieces for a deep run. I don't see how people rate Nsh or Philly's chances any better than ottawa during the playoffs. Philly is only 3 points up on ottawa. Nsh is in 5th spot in the west. Ottawa doesnt need to add because of prospect pool ramifications, but the least it could do is stick with the current roster and take the shot. again, there are NO GUARANTEES FOR NEXT YR. 2. Mtl and Dallas are both out of the playoffs as of now. Mtl more so than Dallas. But it seems like a long shot for Dallas too with the way the west is shaping up. Therefore, the dump makes absolute sense for those teams. 3. Gill's overpayment: the guy is a proven playoff performer. He was a key guy in getting the penguins through along with Rob Scuderi and they have missed that. They got the replacement finally through Z. Michalek. Yea remember that guy, we tried to sign him but we took Gonchar instead. The other guy was Paul Martin. But Gill's story continued with a cinderella run in Mtl where they beat ODD after ODD. He was key in that too, stifling Washington, Pittsburgh and nearly Philly. Nashville wants to move past the second round this year, with a guy like Gill in the back end, they get resilience and leadership. Understandable overpayment.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>hq8</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:56:07 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>sens fan in mtl says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39616</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Agreed, other than the Bruins who seem to have our number, there is no reason based on this year's head to head games, that we could not knock of every other team ahead of us. of course that is wishful thinking, but like they say, once you are in, anything is possible.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>sens fan in mtl</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:54:35 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>jasonontheoldsenschirp says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Massive overpayment for Gill, who's on the verge on retirement. Glad David Poile ain't my GM!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>jasonontheoldsenschirp</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:51:04 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Daren Puppa says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39614</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Everyone keeps saying "but how far do we expect to really make it in the playoffs?". The answer is Cup Finals. This team will head into the playoffs with that attitude, you should expect nothing less. If you've watched playoffs past, you'll know anything can happen once you make it to the dance.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Daren Puppa</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:45:08 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>TheSensTruth says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39613</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Agree 100%. This draft class, especially at forward, is looking very weak.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>TheSensTruth</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:38:56 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>spezzerman says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39612</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I think Gryba and Borowiecki both have a good shot at being solid pros but they can not replace the 20+ minutes a night Kuba is giving this team right now. Not even close. I completely agree BUT if Kuba fetches a massive overpayment that is now looking quite likely is it worth risking? I'd say yes. Boro played two fairly solid games and while hardly a proper audition, could be worth the gamble as your 6th/7th with CArkner. Lee has played his best hockey the past few weeks and if it continues, would be the second straight year he has played well mid-February on. Lee has barely made the lineup so getting him in full time is almost like adding a new addition. Lee and Boro as new additions won't replace Kuba but they could come pretty close. And I think that difference is worth recieving whatever overpayment Kuba fetches. Agian, we have to be talking about a mid round first or a first and a prospect but if that's what we are talking about, go for it. Murray and MacLean could communicate this to the guys in a way that doesnt end up hurting them. They could easily "spin" it as a motivator in fact. I wouldnt be too concerned with hurting the room, I think they could handle it. very interesting times.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>spezzerman</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:37:42 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>boom says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39611</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I don't find myself "on the fence" about many things concerning the Sens. Right or wrong, I almost always have an opinion on what the Sens should do with respect to players, picks, etc. but, I can honestly say I see both sides of the "Keep or trade Kuba" debate. Call those who think they should keep him donkeys if you wish, but I think the players would see the trading of their steadiest defenceman while they are in a playoff race as somewhat of a betrayal. What Montreal did with Gill has no bearing on what Ottawa should do with Kuba, just as what Ottawa did last year at the deadline has no similarity to the situation Ottawa finds themselves in this year. Just like fans, players have a different perspective on what Management should do when they are in the middle of a playoff race than they do when all hope is lost. This is anything but a slam dunk for Brian Murray.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>boom</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:36:05 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>hq8 says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39610</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I believe the "Keep Kuba" side of the argument has been presented quite well in this thread. Read the posts above if you really need further convincing. I'm convinced that people here don't want what's best for this teams future ..I'm more convinced people want playoff hockey now and cause that wasn't the plan too begin with we just wait till the offseason for Parise Wait till kubina goings for a1st and 3rd so being concerned with the team's future means that you trade the team's top pairing d-man when the playoffs are just around the corner? regardless that is a ufa, 35yrs old and all those other number cruncher facts. and i guess you are going to proceed to say that the playoffs are not in the near future too? i think you seem to forget that this team has an owner who has lost quite a fair bit of coin over the past two season. and when Bryan Murray goes to him and tells him that "hey eugene, we can make the playoffs with this roster and then once in all bets are off. However there is this team offering so and so for Kuba. Also Eugene, remember that Kuba is our top-pairing D-man, helps Karlsson be Karlsson, helps us win games, eats up 20+ minutes during the game, plays PP, plays PK. Eugene also remember that you won't lose much money if you dont want to keep him after the season because he is UFA" what do you think Melnyk is going to say? playoffs for an owner means $$$. and right now Eugene doesnt have to pay a dime more to get to the playoffs and further. everyone knows the long shot for the cup. noone can predict whats going to happen between the 1st and 3rd rounds. by my count, out of all the team's above ottawa in the standings, we have a losing record with Boston only.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>hq8</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:35:42 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>Sandy says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39609</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ I honestly believe the Sens think they have a shot at Parise in the off season. Good investigative work SC, good to see Murray sticking to his guns (Although I would love Nash), now you go and tickle me with this little bit...Parise would also be awesome, Spezza must be drooling at the potential of this! Chirp... I know you can't answer this.. or anyone else but Murray for that matter.. but why would the Sens think they have a shot at signing Parise? because they would also have the cap room to sign Suter as well? How many teams in the league could sign both.. without gutting some of their roster? Without 'tampering' could Murray let Parise's agent know in a suttle way that if Parise becomes a UFA -- Ottawa would be interested? RE: The Gill trade.. Geoffrion is the grandson of Boom-Boom Geoffrion and the great grandson of Howie Morenz.. I believe.... will make him the darling of the Habs fans.. and probably slaps a lot of expectations on him. Also, let's remember last trade deadline what Boston paid to get Kaberle... a 1st + Colbourne and I think something else as well...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:35:36 -0500</pubDate>
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			<title>RUSHRLZ says:</title>
			<link>http://www.senschirp.ca/blog/item/618-murray-not-moving-prospects#comment-39608</link>
			<description><![CDATA[OK so many of you seem pretty adamant that we should keep Kuba. What do you think Gonchar could fetch before the deadline given the prices being set? Grizzled vet, PLENTY of playoff experience, a RING.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>RUSHRLZ</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:34:24 -0500</pubDate>
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