Let’s start with Stephen Weiss
An unrestricted free agent at the end of the season, Weiss is going to draw a ton of attention should the Panthers decided to openly shop him. While he has struggled early on this year, the career Panther has three straight 20 goal seasons and seems like a perfect fit in the Senators top six. This is a call you can be sure Murray would make. Florida GM Dave Tallon insists that his priority is to retain Weiss but not everyone is convinced. If he’s available, the Senators will be interested.
Ryan O’Reilly is another interesting option.
A contract holdout with the Avalanche, O’Reilly is another guy that seems like he’d be a good fit on a team’s second or third line. There will be plenty of teams lined up for his services should the Avs decide to go down that road but it doesn’t seem to be a priority for them just yet. While I haven’t heard anything specific on this front- I would assume the Sens have interest.
And then there’s the Anaheim Ducks.
Off to a ridiculously strong start, the Ducks have a couple players that every team will be keeping their eye on. Both Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry are set to be free agents at the end of the season and teams are already beginning to reach out to Ducks GM Bob Murray.
Here’s what I know and what I hinted at last week- Sens GM Bryan Murray has an interest in both of them. Does he have the pieces to get a deal done for either or perhaps more importantly, the budget to make it happen? Hard to say. And can the Ducks really move either of them when they look like a legitimate contender in the Western Conference?
Seems unlikely but you can guarantee both those guys are going to be mainstays in the NHL rumour mill for the next couple months. You can also guarantee Sens GM Bryan Murray will keep a close eye as the situation unfolds out West.
Knowing Bryan Murray, he has a few other options on his radar that nobody is mentioning right now but these seem to be the most prominent names floating around the rumour mill.
The Ottawa Senators are back on the ice for practice this morning at 11:00 AM. They take on the Buffalo Sabres tomorrow night at Scotiabank Place.
no way they come to Ottawa.
Surprised you did not mention Bobby Ryan, who might be a more reasonable option , after all our attempts to lure him to Ottawa last season??
Murray might not make a move, and if he does, he could once again surprise us like he did with Kyle Turris trade ??
Exactly. Murray has done it before where he pulls off a deal that seems to be from out of nowhere that catches everyone off guard.
Wouldn't be surprised to see something like that again.
Although, I guess I WOULD be surprised...
I dont think Perry or Getzlaf get traded - not with the way the ducks are performing. One will for sure get signed before the season is over - probably getzlaf. Perry probably tests UFA - but i think he will sign back in Anaheim - especially if they go deep.
i would rather the sens stick with it and go UFA route. while the sens have a lot of prospects, they need to keep them as backup as alfie crosses 40 and MM9's contract expires. Jason will also cross 30 soon. Neil is already 33.
We are not cup contender, let's be patient here.
Go SENS Go
He's young and seems to have some upside, but I really don't know that much about him.
Does he make sense as a guy Murray and and Maclean would want on the Sens?
Only way it makes sense is if theyd ecide to do a bromance thing like the NBA and say they are only going to play together, so either trade for both, or they sign together in offseason like Parise and Suter
That being said Perry makes sense as he is from peterborough and plays that gritty game Murray loves and one that Maclean could utilize
Thoughts?
They'd certainly be good pieces in a quantity for quality trade.
http://blogues.lapresse.ca/stlaurent/2013/02/10/pourquoi-lui-lancer-des-fleurs-maintenant/
I mentioned on twitter that it is also possible that Florida would like more of a look at Bishop vs a divisional rival in case there is any traction to a Weiss deal
Only logical reason why we would start Bishop in between days off
Interesting. I did think Da Costa was pretty good in that game but maybe not to the point of singling him out.
Not yet. Think we'll get an update at this morning's skate.
actually i will go ahead and plus one you for that suggestion. a total steal and one of the most underrated players in the league. BUT detroit will never give him up. Something about the wings - they have yet to be seen making huge trades. They almost always sign top players (Hossa) or draft them and they never trade them away.
i think the sens are at a point where they need to keep their prospects.
I think Getzalf will resign before the trade deadline and Perry will go to free agency. I don't like the idea of giving up significant assets for either of these guys unless a new contract has been negotiated at the time of the trade. It's way too big of a risk.
I'm also not the least bit interested in Weiss if it's going to cost us a top pick or a top prospect.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=655073&navid=nhl:topheads
who had thought this last spring when lundqvist bailed those measly rangers against us? great news for the sens
Obviously the Oil have a ton of skill up front but will they be able to add the right pieces for a complete 60 minute game and if so, how long is that going to take.
-30 and losing
+30 and winning
Hmmm.
Side note, Claude Giroux if you are reading this, wake the fuck up her killin me!
O'Reilly makes a lot of sense to me. He's only 22 and is already a very good player in this league. In his third year in the NHL last season he put up 18 goals and 55 points, but his strength is in shutting down the oppositions top lines.
He's going to be a Selke trophy candidate for the next decade and would be a wonderful addition to out roster.
The only issue is his ridiculous contract demands. He's rumored to be asking for a 5 year 25 million dollar contract and that is absolutely ridiculous. I really think he's only demanding such a contract to force Colorado to deal him, similar to what Turris did last season in Phoenix.
For 'voice of reason', I think your delusional if you think the ducks will trade either getzlaf or perry for "a prospect or two". It'd cost the sens a lot more. Atleast a positional player, prospect and pick is my guess. But it won't happen.
No point giving up assets to get him
O'reilly would be good, but I'm not a huge fan. I hate when young guns hold out after their ELC, just a sour taste
As far as Perry, I think Murray will make a big push this summer for him. Definitely the type of player Murray and Melnyk like...and if I'm not mistaken, didn't Murray draft him when he was in Anaheim?
I said the same last year about Turris. Now I think it's one of the best moves Murray has ever made.
I'm very curious about this O'Reilly situation. Is he really holding out because he wants a massive pay day? Or is he holding out because he doesn't want to be there?
Colorado has added some pretty nice pieces through the draft, but Greg Sherman has made some very questionable trades as GM and there are lots of rumors out there that Joe Sacco isn't a very good coach to play for.
Maybe O'Reilly just wants out of that mess.
Good point, only debate I could come up with was that everyone knew Turris wanted out of the mess with the organization and everyone felt he wasn't being given a fair shake. This cannot be said for O'Reilly. They ahve treate dhim well and given him room to grow
i dont want a trade. I want to see atleast Silf, Zib and Stone play as regulars on the sens before any trade ships them anywhere. i think the fanbase or most of it deserves that after all the hype of this huge prospect pool. and i think if the sens deal any of their defensive depth outside of Lundin - it would be a massive mistake.
In the summer there's no question that Perry is number 1. but for right now, Getzlaf is actually what the team needs. He would cost way too much for a rented player and I couldn't imagine the team re-signing him so I can't really endorse it, but itd be fun to watch
PLayer to watch: Anthony Mantha. I think he's currently ranked 15-20th overall. guy is 6'4'' way underweight, and leads all goal scorers with 40 goals in 50 games
he would be a steal at 20th (he would be a steal at 5th)
Yeah Murray drafted Perry 28th overall in 2003, and John Muckler drafted Patrick Eaves 29th overall lol
I would think Bryan would make a big push Perry in free agency but this ridiculous budget of Melnyk's is going to restrict get in the way.
Yeah I know, it was just a theory. I just have a really hard time believe that O'Reilly truly believes he's earned a long term contract @ 5 mill per year instead of taking the same 2 year contract that they signed Duchene to @ 3.5 per.
he outperformed Duchene last yr. thats all there is to it. not to mention he has exceeded expectations literally out-of-the-gate . i think Colorado is playing unnecessary hard-ball with this guy. He is not subban like where its too much risk. he is a two-way centreman who can really produce and has proven it ever since he became a regular. I think Colorado's GM is stupid - he traded Andy away for Elliot and now is stuck with varlamov (inconsistent) and Giguere (too old). then he traded away Chris Stewart to STL along with Shattenkirk.
I would think a move like that low risk/high reward potential would be better for the sens now than breaking the bank for a player like weiss.
Spezza
Turris
O'Reilly
O'Brien
That looks nice.
O'Reilly may be the type of guy Ottawa could use, but that still doesn't solve our issues. I still think BM goes out (if he makes a move) and pulls in a guys like Niederreiter. It just sounds like something he'd do.
Yeah and how long would O'reilly play on the third line before there started being complaints about ice time? Don't get me wrong, would like to have him.....I just have a bad feeling about the kid.....could all just be a maturity issue...somethi ng that can change...but right now....not sure about him.
If we're going to bring in somebody LONG TERM then it should NOT be a Centre. Spezza, Turris, Smith, Zibby, and Obrien have that covered long term
If its a SHORT TERM acquisition, then by all means
I see parallels between Karlsson and Alfie in this respect. A number of years ago when the sens were struggling Alfie wouldtake it on himself to be everything to this team.
Karlsson is doing the same, it's laudable, but he needs to strike a better balance.
Just because he would be our 3rd line center doesn't mean he wouldn't play enough minutes. Our 2nd and 3rd lines could play close to equal minutes and of course he would be given pp and pk time.
I don't think he complain much if he was playing 17/18 minutes a night.
I know he's developing a bad reputation with this contract hold out but Turris did the same thing last year.
We have such a strong leadership group here in Ottawa and a GM and Coach that players respect and love to play for. I don't think O'Reilly would be a problem.
Greening-Turris-Silfverberg
Michalek-Zibanejad-Alfredsson
Condra-Smith-Neil
O'Brien-Da Costa-Daugavins
Paul MacLean to DaCosta: "You can have praise, but you ain't getting any linemates"
i think greening-smith- neil should always stay together. but im not the coach and the sens are clearly missing that extra top 6 winger. because this is what it would have looked like then with spezza missing:
winger-turris-silf
mm9-zib-alfie
greening-smith- neil
condra-o'brien-PLUG/regin
i think at some point, greening will get replaced by zibanejad on that line and DaCosta will centre the 2nd line.
IF the flames move Iginla it is to help rebuild the franchise....th e price tag would be huge. Plus I have a feeling if Iginla is traded, he re signs in Calgary at a discounted rate this summer....unles s of course he gets a big offer from a pre determined top contender.
Way to single out DaCosta with praise and then put him back on the 4th line. I'm a big fan of this kid's skillset and just hope he gets some run in the top 6 at some point this year.
@ Chirp,
Guess Regin is out with another injury.
After such a dismal display on Saturday
against the Jets, I think Da Costa should move up !
Michalek - Turris - Silverberg
Zibanejad - Da Costa - Alfredsson
Greening - Smith - Neil
Daugavins - O'Brien - Condra
Maybe moving him down on the 3rd or 4th, will relieve all the pressure to score, and we know he is no slouch in his own end.
This way we can try to fit DaCosta up in the top 6 to see what he can bring.
And as much as this pains me to say, the Regin experiment is coming to a crashin hault!
I still say he has some potential, but he potential at some point must turn into production.
and finally we have to get Benoit back in the lineup... Phillips a few maintenance days perhaps?
Zbad-Turris-Silfver
Michalek-DaCosta-Alfie
And I agree, Philips could use a maintenance day here and there. especially for back to backs. (Pit and NYI coming up).
On the Regin injury. I think this recent injury is all BM needed to finally tie the relationship. He's been given more than his fair share and even showed a few good signs. But you just can't keep a guy that gets injured so easily in the lineup. And hearing a report that it's not the same type of injury in the past doesn't make it better, that just makes it worse, cause now there's another potential for re-injury. I'd rather hear it was something from before that just didn't heal right. Ok, enough on that rant.
I think Silf is being used in more situations than he was in the A. So his talent is being spread out, not just singled into a few places. He's getting chances and he's always on the rush, good things will come... just wait and see.
I agree, but would be willing to lose our first round pick in an offer sheet to O'Reilly. Making the playoffs makes it a mid to late round pick and depth at center is a great problem to have.
But if getting somebody like O'Reilly or Perry can be done with a guarantee that there are around for the next 4-5 years (at least) then that becomes a different proposition.
Giving up Rundblad and a 2nd for somebody who would be here for 18 months and then leave would have been a terrible idea, but that isn't what Murray did and I don't think anything like that is what he is likely to do now.
Scouts never had him as a top end scorer, but he has good offensive numbers and he's always been classed as a guy that can get it done, especially when the team needs it most. Also known to be sound defensively. As a rookie he played 81 games, 8 G's, 26 points with a +4 and 16:45 TOI.
Bit of a sophomore slump in 10-11 as his production never increased, matching his 26 points. However he only play in 74 games. He did net 13 G's, was -7 and had a slight decrease in TOI at 16:03.
Only to have the well known 3rd year spark where he played 81 games, 18 goals and 55 points. Only a -1 and a big increase in TOI with 19:31.
Personally I'm not really sure what it means in the context of this organization. Are we tanking for a few years as we build up elite, top five picks? No. Are we in the process of shedding veterans to make way for some young guns? Not really, though I guess we will see what happens when some contracts expire.
I don't see any evidence of a "rebuild" philosophy guiding this team in any way.
Not saying that's a bad thing at all, I just don't think using the whole "year two of a rebuild" trope as a lens to interpret Murray's moves is all that useful.
Thing with that is there is no guarantee all 3 prospects will be good or that you will have room for any of them either.
I do believe mark Stone will be a part of a trade down the road.
i thought he was sloppier than against the canes, but I think there are mitigating factors. The entire team shit the bed and he may not have been in the best frame of mind to play considering life must be pretty intense right now. I admit I was surprised to see him in the line-up.
He's a dman that relies on positional sense rather than physicality. Given the reports I read after the signing I was surprised by his level of passing in his debut, but the game on Sat was definitely a step backwards.
I would prefer to see a few more games before a full judgement but given what we have in the prospect pool and out of the line-up I don't believe he has a long term future with the sens.
You could certainly say those were the moves of a rebuilding team. Or you could say Fisher was being paid too much and Kelly was due for a raise and the team's poor play gave Murray cover to sell high.
I don't pretend to know for sure, but the guiding philosophy appears to be staying relatively competitive year to year while sticking to a low budget.
I'll agree to this though: framing it a rebuild is much better branding by Sens management.
Completely agree, I hope my comment on Silfver was not misunderstood, this kid will be the real deal, but i do not think all the pressure to score is good for him right now... put him in position where he is not expected to score every game, and I think he will probably relax a little more, and will probably end up generating more
He has, yes. This is sometimes called being "on message".
Look, I'm a big Murray fan and even bigger Sens fan so I don't mean this as some kind of slight to the organization.
But I do think the Senators budget issues are being under-reported by local media here. Senschirp is actually doing about the best job if it.
I disagree in that yes it is a rebuild/retool of sorts where we know we need to grow with youth and within our youth
I agree with A Train because had this been a real rebuild we would have traded Phillips and Spezza as they were arguably our biggest tradeable pieces in terms of getting 1st rounders in return (guaranteed phillips gets us one at the deadline in 2010)
Anyways call what you will, we are building from within and aren't gunna sell the farm just yet. I don't call it a rebuild either because technically your not "re-building" when your core of alfie-spezza-ka rlsson-michalek were all here prior to the so called "rebuild" in 2010 with Cowen, Stone and Silf already drafted
I was banging on about being a budget team on here ages ago, you're preaching to the converted.
Being a budget team whilst rebuilding makes a whole ton of sense doesn't it? The two go hand in hand.
I agree that monetary constraints are in place and are a factor in every deal that gets made, but something like Michalek + pick + prospect for Corey Perry sort of makes sense, as does doing deals that are of a long term benefit - that satisfies the rebuild and the budget nazis.
suck it phaneuf!!
I mentioned this whole rebuild/retool ages ago as well. My thought was the same, they are using the term as more of a marketing tool than anything else.
Ottawa did trade off some well known players, but in no way were guys like Fisher and Kelly irreplaceable. We kept the entire well known core, adding the required parts to fill the void from within or via FA.
Sure, we drafted a slew of young players in 2011 with our picks. But only Zibanejad has been brought into the mix as of yet. Silf and Cowen were both 2009 drafts, and the others from the A were all drafted before the term declared rebuild.
I've never said it before, but it's possible using the term rebuild makes it easier as a club to digest the fact that they are financially tight. And if we don't make the playoffs, they can just use rebuild as the reason. Maybe the Org knew we were not close to being a cup contender and this was the reaction. It's hard to say for sure.
Apparently if you package enough worthless shit together you get a superstar back.
I don't think any fan expected a team with so many young inexperienced players would make the playoffs but they did and they gave the Rangers all they could handle.
Now it appears it is to be expected they make the playoffs or fans will be upset with them.
I don't want Murray to do any rash trades. If he does one it will probably be along the lines of the Turris trade. A young player with skill and upside out of favour with his current team.
As for the Sens D you have Methot that hits then you have the rest. That is my reasoning for Gryba being called up.
Buffalo - Ott, Kaleta, Foligno - they have a gritty team.
Pitts - they have Cooke and others who can play gritty.
Leafs - Orr, McLaren, Fraser are all tough guys that are probably more than Neil & Smith can handle.
Lack of physical play last game was very evident.
Perry for Michalek and Gonchar something like that. Otherwise the ducks will just hang on to Perry and dance with the devil to try and get him signed
I am sure Murray would like to do a big sell job with the likes of Bishop and DaCosta. But given the budget situation and O'Reilly's contract expectations there would need to be a bigger piece leaving the Sens. Who would that be? Does Colorado have any interest/need for Gonchar's services? Or do we need that money to a) resign Gonchar or b) grab another quality Dman?
we have 9 bottom 6 forwards, and only 3 real top 6 players.
This is why I say put your strongest 3 one line
MM9 Turris Alfie.
put a young line together for some scoring
Zibby DaCosta Hoffman/Stone
and let them build some chemistry,
dont think it can hurt right now, our offense is offensive right now
Gonchar and 3rd round pick for Xavier Ouellet that would be awesome I would love that if we could do that up!!!
Whether Colorado has interest in Gonchar is irrelevant. Gonchar needs to have an interest in them - he has a limited NTC.
I guess I am even more worried than you because I think the Sens only have one real top three forward, and this is what may be our biggest problem...
The potential for teams to buy out two players and the cap being reduced by almost 7 million a season you would only assume that a few players would become free-agents on the cheap.
If this is a rebuild and we will have a few contracts coming off the books next year...Gonchar, Regin, Latendresse and possibly Alfie. The Sens also have just under 38 million committed in payroll next year.
What does Murray do?
Ottawa has a great 2nd line,the unfortunate thing is that it's our first line.
If Perry will sign a deal long term with the Sens I'd trade Michalek in a heartbeat. He's a great 2way player to have, but can't carry the play like a Perry can.
I think we'll have a great team in a few years. I'm OK with the current pool of prospects we have. It's only Year #2 of the rebuild.
Spezza,Turris,Zibby,Silf,Lehner,Anderson,
King Karl, Neil and Alfie....
Any one else...I would be ok if we had to let them go to improve the team.
I would add Methot and Cowen to that list.
I would probably remove Anderson and that would be about it. I admit I am loving Zibby.
True I thought of Cowen, but didn't consider him only because I took it as a given he would not get traded because he is done for the year...but ya...I would not want to lose two either
If I was more sold on Big Ben then I would have no problem taking Anderson off the list but I have not been impressed with Ben in the 2 games he has played so far.
I think the use of the word "rebuild" is an excuse. do we even have room for all the upcoming prospects? Sens have potential to compete now so, give them a chance and bring in some quality help.
I'm a Silfverberg fan and want him to succeed long term. Anyone else noticing that he's having no problem finding mesh? Problem is, it's the mesh above the glass, out of bounds. I'm assuming that this is a smaller space/less time problem that still needs adjusting to. Seems like all his shots end up as souvenirs...
I'm worried about the game against the Leafs. They are no class goons who even while up 5-0 (HABS) still fought and scrummed. They employ no fewer than 3 head hunters a night with 0% hockey skill. Armed with the golden ticket straight from the league allowing them to bite, the last thing we need is #65 out with tetanus. Games like this one make me miss Konopka. Only games like this though.
Go Sens!
If I was more sold on Big Ben then I would have no problem taking Anderson off the list but I have not been impressed with Ben in the 2 games he has played so far.
Well Lehner would be getting most of the starts. And if he wasnt, it would be because Big Ben was impressing you.
I believe he had to give a list of 10 teams by Jan 1 2013 that he is willing to go to. That was under the assumption of a full year, so I'm not sure what the date would be with a late, compressed schedule.
See notes under 2012-2013 known clauses: http://capgeek.com/player/488
If I was more sold on Big Ben then I would have no problem taking Anderson off the list but I have not been impressed with Ben in the 2 games he has played so far.
Did you watch the 2nd game? I think he showed himself very well!
2nd best dman is Justin Shultz tied for 44 with 32
Thats just incredible
This is just awful to be honest
we are the 7th least penalized team in the league...yet....
We have taken the 9th most minor penalties
Which means everyone else in the league are drawing their PIMS from fights etc. We need to stay out of the box
We have had only 39 PP opportunities which is 4th least
Good news? we have scored 9ppg on those 39, while Toronto have 9ppg on 2nd most 60 PP opportunities
I would add Cowen and Noesen personally.
I'm also a bit more open to trading Zibby or Anderson for a top 3 scorer in the right trade than most.
Aside from that I'm in agreement with the rest!
I wouldnt trade anderson at all.
We have never had good goaltending or depth at the position. Bishop is what he is, wont ever be a star or 60+ game starter, but hes a quality 1b goalie
If we trade Andy and anything happens to Lehner or he falters we are back to square one
We need both Andy + Lehner for a few years
He's JUST hitting his prime, and has a couple stellar years left. Tim Thomas was 37 years old when he won the Cup for the Bruins, and at the time people were already calling for his head, and talking about the "future" with Rask.
I think it'd be real foolish to look ahead so far when we have something going in Anderson...
He is directly responsible for multiple wins both last year and this season.
Lehner will soon be his backup and in 2 years the roles will be reversed.
Let's hope his great year between the pipes can be rewarded by the rest of the team showing up and helping him win games to get this team into a playoff position with what they have now.
When Spezza comes back near the beginning of April and Zibby & Silfverberg bettered adjusted to the NHL.. and Andy still playing great.. this team can win a round or two in the playoffs (unless they are unlucky and get Boston first).
Stay the course.. unless Murray can get a good young talent ala Turris situation.
I too must admit I'm really nervous for that Toronto game. They will specifically target Karlsson.. let's hope Methot can affectively protect him..
I respect that Alcatraz, however I am 100% ready for Lehner to be the starter in the fall and I'm ok if Bishop or some UFA veteran signee is his backup.
Also, don't forget we have 2 prospect goaltenders coming. I'm not sure, but I think at least 1 of them, if not both, will be eligible for the AHL next year. We only NEED (in terms of numbers) these 3 for the rest of this current year. With Spezza's injury, I'm not expecting a cup run, so sell high while we can, if the right deal is out there.
I would not trade Anderson though for anything less than a top 3 scorer or top 2 Dman. He's a really good goalie league wide. I'm just ready for Lehner by September, if not earlier.
If you shut Karlsson down you cut down 25% of the scoring. I guessing that will be the objective for every team we play. The difference between him and larger men is the ability to get punished and still remain intact. Karlsson must play smart and not put himself in a position where he is trying to do too much and gets "cranked"
And what about Viktor Antipin? There were rumours Sens were talking to him because he played with Gonchar in the KHL?
While defence is not our pressing concern, it would make some others expendable if they could be replaced.
exactly why should we trade a goalie who is winning games for us and is leading the league in all goalie statistics except wins when there is zero support for him up front?
i feel this is one of the negatives about this forum, nearly every fan wants to throw out trade suggestions for every problem this team has. This in turn makes for a very thankless, brittle and fickle fanbase which will never be satisfied unless its cup year after year. Players, coaches, trainers, GMs - they are all humans and they are all employees in the end. they will have a bad day and sometimes bad days on a stretch - doesnt mean you fire them for that one blip. this team right now is mostly the same team that took NYR to 7 games and nearly went through, its going through one major injury and a bad patch - it will figure itself OUT.
Just a thought...don't kill me for it.
I would do:
Bishop, A 1st or Stone, and Michalek
No, but you're right, that's not horrible at all.
Maybe some people really think he should trade Craig Anderson. I'm not one of them, but it's an intriguing notion given that we have a perceived surplus of NHL-caliber goalies. We also know Murray's been talking to other teams about something and that he most likely has to send salary back in any deal he would do.
In any event I don't think an Anderson trade makes much sense given:
a) his insanely awesome play ever since being acquired
b) the difficulty this organization has had finding any kind of even consistent play at that position
c) Murray's nature. He's not the type to buy into a guy and then send him out of town when he's doing his job so well
i dont know what to pick at - your ignorance of what ovechkin's real value is to the franchise he plays for or your obvious experience as GM on NHL 12/13.
you want to send two unproven talents in bishop + stone and a one time 30 goal scorer in MM9 to WASH for the most prolific goal scorer in the NHL in the last 7 years? the guy who has crossed 50+ goals 3 times in that period, crossed 60 goals once, 30+ goals 3 times (that includes last years down year btw)??? its NHL, not walmart.
#ostrich
intriguing but pointless. if anyone wants to see how that kind of notion devolves, just look at vancouver - you think they will trade luongo now? schneider pooped the starts and that was enough for the trust to come crashing to earth. Now you dont hear Luongo rumors anymore. Consistently winning goalies in this league are rare and prized - teams who trade them away learn a hard lesson and they learn right away. It was Colorado who traded Anderson away for Elliot and you can see what happened to them. Look at Philly and Bryz - still very tentative.
and with the sens - who only have a bad history with goalies - its an even more pointless notion.
#facepalm
Oh neat! Leafs fans found SensChirp.
yup. honestly chirp - the quality of discussion here has firmly gone down-hill - doesnt feel like last season was a really good surprise rebound year when you read the comments here. people are wayyy too fickle and not much different than leafs fans.
Reimer left the Leafs game tonight and could not put pressure on his left leg, let's hope he is out for a while and that brings the Leafs down to earth again.
I am awful for wishing harm upon him but I think it's worth it.
Not what I'm saying. I think that guy is actually a Leafs fan. Discussion has its ups and downs and it is the same with every single sports fan base in the world (my theory, anyway). Especially on the internet...
Can anyone confirm this?? Have been following along on Twitter tonight and can't believe what I'm reading!
Destined for mediocracy
not on my iphone, it just says do you want me to search the web for a picture of god and if you do it is just a yahoo search, not in the USA anyways.
Maybe it's the wording of the question that triggers it?
Quoting SensChirp:
wayne simmonds??
If this guy knew anything about hockey he would know that the sens have the same amount of points in the same amout of games as the leafs.
he would also know what classy really means. i guess for him it means two franchise players and a 2nd rounder to boot for Phil Kessel.
apparently two OTT scouts were at that game too...isnt that true Chirp?
Nicky Foligno with 2 points +3
Derick Brassard ?
lol who knows, could be someone from the sharks too...although they dont have anyone young outside of couture and clowe.
It works! I said show me a picture of God and Siri responded with "I don't know what Daniel Alfredsson's appearance is.", along with a photo and stats. Praise Alfie!
If Philly is interested in Big Ben they've already called Ottawa
Not according to both the Ottawa Citizen
AND the Ottawa Sun of Tuesday Feb12th,
FORWARD LINE COMBOS SHOULD BE :
Michalek - Zibanejad- Alfredsson
Greening - Turris - Silverberg
Condra - Smith - Neil
Daugavins - Da Costa - O'Brien
TO BE CONFIRMED BY GAME DAY POST FROM SENSCHIRP LATER THIS MORNING !!
Gotta chuckle on Ottawa Sun's Line 4 :
O'Brien - Da Costa - O'Brien ?????????????
MM-Turris-Stone (lets see what he can do)
Silf-Zib-Alfie (let them fly swede style)
Greening-SDC-Condra (just love the dynamic)
Obrien-Smith-Neil (Gring Grind Grind)
1-2 goals wont win you many hockey games. Were lucky Andy is playing out of this world but that sends a message that WE NEED TO SCORE!
Here's a couple of guys I would have no problem trading for:
C, Weiss, 29, UFA
I think Weiss will be the cheapest to get, yeah he's the All Time Panther in points but that means shit when they are up against the clock with Weiss possibly walking, leaving them with nothing.
I think Bishop + 1st rounder 2014 should do the job.
C, Getzlaf, 27, UFA
You simply cant pass up guys like this and with Murray's relationship with Anaheim, you can bet he has interest.
RW, Perry, 27, UFA
Again, same as Getz, you cant pass this up and they are young enough to fit right in with the rebuild.
Stone is injured I believe. Thats why you see Da Costa up with the team. Hoffman and Stone injured down on the farm.
Makes sense
I figured SDC was up because he plays Centre and we lost Regin and Spezza where as Stone and Hoffman play wing
I thumbed down this post, not because I disagree with it but because for a first post it was receiving far too much adulation and i wanted the poster to remain grounded.
I'm not convinced it's hugely different from what a lot of other teams do, but they are really going out of their way to foster a relationship between the fans and the team.
Thanks Man, appreciated, haha
Alright, I'll bite.
In what way does trading a first round pick make sense in a rebuild?
Adding Bishop in the deal makes even less sense since Weiss is a UFA at the end of the season. Overpayment to say the least.
Yes.
I wouldn't think of this as a panic move for THIS season but a good opportunity to bolster the top 6 for years to come, sign + trade. This player helps light the lamp for now in Spezz's absence and can help fill the void when Alfie retires as well. Depends what we trade of course but imagine a top 6 of:
Perry / Spezza / Silf / Turris / 9MM / Zibanejad
Next year:
Top 6 = deadly and getting better
Andy/Lehner = deadly
D bolstered with a year of experience for the young guns + Cowen back...
Bottom 6 would possibly be the deepest in the league...
I like it!
What I don't like is Alfie on the first line. Not sustainable IMO and needs to stop.
You can't put too much weight on 'lines'. Look at TOI instead.
Maclean is usualy pretty good at rolling all 4 lines, so I wouldn't be too worried about Alfie being overworked.
I'm more concerned about splitting up Alfie and Turris.
The same way trading Rundblad and a 2nd did.
It only made sense once an agreement was in place for Turris to resign.
Trading for a youngish player who will be with the organisation for a number of years is still rebuilding.
With our recent track record of first round selections, trading our first should be the last thing on our minds.
Not saying Weiss shouldn't be considered. Just not for Bishop and a first.
you guys beat me to it - what i really meant to say is that he is between Alfie and Michalek. i think the reason for splitting up Turris and Michalek is to get them going because both are in a funk.
i think our bigger forwards need to start crunching and crushing a little.
i wonder whp the two sens scouts at the CBJ-SJS game were looking at yesterday. sens have pulled quite a few trades with CLS over the past 4 years.
Andre Benoit appears to be the odd-man out for tonight's game. Looks like he'll be a scratch and Wiercioch will play.
This cheeses me off, I think Benoit should be lacing them up tonight.
I'd sit Lundin and play both Benoit and Weircioch. Lundin needs to play though so I understand the decision.
I've just been impressed with both of them since the start.
I'm sure Murray wouldn't do it lightly, but he's done it twice before in recent history.
Once to get Rundblad and then to move Rundblad for Turris (which only sort of counts). So I guess you could say he gave up our first to get Turris.
The consistent thing with those trades is they were for young players who he saw (at the time) as both filling a need and being pieces to build around.
I'm confident that it's only this scenario that would encourage him to part with a first round pick.
It totally works. Hilarious. Funny stuff.
True!
I trust our management very much. Things are looking good for the first time in years.
Hopefully Lundin get his game back soon cause he was awfull against the Jets. Considering all the emotions he had to deal with last week (first game with the Sens and wife giving birth to twins), he gets a mulligan.
I hope he can show he is better than Benoit and Wiercioch soon.
Go SENS Go
But not if that player is Stephen Weiss who will be a ufa at the end of the year and would be 3rd line C after Spezza returns. Tookie was out of his mind with that trade!
I sure hope you're right about Wiercioch getting in tonight. I've really enjoyed his play in limited minutes. Obviously he still needs to be sheltered a bit, but his offensive abilities could be a huge boost to a team having problems scoring.
You also have to realize that Benoit is 29 and Wiercoch is 23.
I think once Cowen is back, this sens D with Karlsson, Methot and Cowen will be quite something to watch. Methot+Cowen on the PK would be one nasty pair to go between.
What No65* said ;)
Benoit also has never stuck in the NHL. But my point isn't against Benoit, it's more about making sure Wiercioch gets more games than anything. I've been really pleased with Benoit as well. If Lundin doesn't improve after 5-10 games, I hope they run with both Benoit and Wiercioch.
Local kid
And I agree, Benoit deserves ice time too! As you said, the real Lundin is likely a 7th dman on this team, hopefully that happens soon enough.
I think it's to soon to conclude on what Lundin can bring to this team. We will have a better idea when he we will have 10 games played.
We have to consider that he has to get his game shape back (you only get it by playing games) and learn a new system with new teammates etc.
What this guy can bring is depth and in a condensed season, it can only be good news for the Sens.