The news was made official via a joint news release from Sens GM Bryan Murray and the team owner, Eugene Melnyk. From the official news release:
“I’m excited to get ready for another season,” said Alfredsson. “I’ve been training for about a month and a half and my body feels a lot further ahead of where it was last year at this point. I expect to come into camp stronger and fitter than I did last year.”
“I spoke to my family (about the decision to return) and we are all on the same page – if I am motivated to continue to play, then they will be supportive of me playing. It really came down to asking if I had the motivation to come back and be happy about the decision to return. I definitely feel that way and know that I am ready and have more in the tank to give.”
I believe I speak for everyone when I say, "Alfie! Alfie! Alfie!". You can read the full news release here.
No immediate word on that front but they began work on that front in early July.
Praise Alfie
Now us Sens fans can truly spend one last season showing our appreciation for the player and the man.. and saying a proper good-bye..
You heard it here first. Alfie back for another season. #CONFIRMED https://twitter.com/SensChirp/status/219788746780983296
Michalek Spezza Latendresse/Silf
Silfverberg/Tender Turris Alfie
Greening Regin Neil
JOB Smith Condra
Most likely will be our FW group, with no major injuries this line up should compete for the same spots as last year, I dont see why it would drastically change, the teams that got better were already better than us and the bubble teams, only Carolina improved.
SPL
What do you guys think if Sens signed Jason Arnott ? Yes 37 yrs old but is tough physical and would be a very good veteran to have the next 2 years. Relatively cheap (compared to Doan). Wins face offs and has a big shot. 17 goals last year and you would imagine him with Spezza would push him well over 20 goals. Can put him in front of the net on the PP or in the slot for one timers. I'm a fan so I think he'd be worth the risk.
Also big huge Kudos to his wife Bebe, and his family, for supporting him and his career, and for doing the right thing for a city that wants to say good bye in the proper fashion ( Hey Mr and Mrs. Nash take note on how to be classy and show apprecition to a game that gave you such a priveleged life )
I say he signs on and plays two more seasons...
ALFIE ALFIE ALFIE...
Praise Alfie! Go Sens Go!
I'd rather use the spot on a prospect. I'd also like to sign Winnie back if we got another forward.
Sure, even with the current roster, he will help put bums in seats and mentor our youth, especially Zibby and Silf.
I say that's not good enough though. Watch Murray make one hell of a splash today and put us in contention. With the addition of Bobby Ryan I still think we would be in tough against Philly and the Rags in the playoffs but we could go toe-to-toe with them. Adding a A- top three winger like that though, we sure as hell should give the Bs a run for the Northeast. MAN Leafs fans would be livid! Haha.
FUCK NASH
For what it's worth, the article I was working on for today was focused on how there seems to be more talk about the Sens and Bobby Ryan the past couple days.
One contact suggesting the Sens "have had their eye on him the whole time."
Hmmmmm who said this a month+ ago??
I suspect if it happens they work a trade and extension right away.
I believe that in my very bones. I would be ecstatic, but not surprised, were we to announce a blockbuster trade this afternoon.
Man, 10am on a Tuesday morning and I already feel like cracking a beer! This could be an exciting day Sens fans!
Even if he signs with Sens, and could leave after 3 years, it would make us a serious contender, by slotting him in Line 1 with Spezza and Michalek
Latendresse or Silverberg, could line up on Line 2 with Turris and Alfie.
Hope Murray tries his best to land Bobby Ryan and quick, before someone like the Flyers or Rangers, steal another top 3 player !
Who cares if he could leave....so could ANY of our guys, this argument is so flawed.
We could also trade/extend him to prove we want him here. If our team becomes an absolute stud and he is loved here(which I am certain he would be...I would be getting a Ryan jersey today if a trade were announced) I doubt he would be rushing away from here....He hates it in Anahiem because he is the guy who gets the brunt of the shit....So tell him to ignore the POS Sun newspaper and he will be fine.
We would immediately have one of the best if not the best second lines in hockey, a VERY good first line and undisputed depth on the third and fourth. Depends who we would lose in the deal of course, but man we would have a strong offensive core, retooled tighter D and two capable young goaltenders to help push Mister Anderson to new heights!
@HockeyyInsider r The #NHLDucks want a package centered around Vanek for Bobby Ryan from the #Sabres. Hearing Vanek+prospect+ 1st gets deal done
What would be our competing offer? Any other team up for a three way?
I get the argument that Nash has played with crap players so he could be a 50 goal scorer but Ryan has played with Perry/Getzlaf his whole career.
At forward, Foligno's 15 goals is all we lost, I honestly think we can improve on our goals internally. I'd say there is a really good chance Silfverberg can score 20 goals. Turris will most certainly improve on his 12, GL can score 15 if he plays 50-60 games, do we really need Ryan for the kings ransom it could cost?
I am assuming the asking price is Nash-like
Ryan will score about 35 next year. why trade Zibanejad, Lehner/Bishop, another roster player like Zack Smith or Regin and likely a 1st next year for him?
I get that we want to give Alfie a shot at the playoffs but he is coming back because of what our current team did last year, plus we are possibly adding two young Swedes he can mentor. I have to think that excites him more than if the Sens trade one of them for Bobby Ryan.
just my 02.
Ryan-Spezza-Silfverburg
MIchalek-Alfie-Turris
Not too shabby
Sens would have to Give Zibby-Greening+ 1st(+ a Peterssen example)
Don't belive the Sabres Vanek stuff - I think that Anaheim wants young players and no big contract coming back. Its going to take 4 items like the Nash deal. But Murray in Anaheim won't let himself get fleeced like Howsen.
So are saying that he will come back to honour his final year of the contract at 1 mil for this coming season???
Again only goes to prove what kind a real MAN, this classy person is. Win or Lose this is the kind of role model I want my children to follow, not the 8 Mil a year guy, who is blessed to play the best game in the world, and will only do it in certain cities.
The Nash thing, with the CBA and potential lockout, again had me wondering do I really want to shell out $200 per game, to feed overpaid greedy people, who at the end of the day win or lose, will walk home with more money than I can earn in a lifetime.
Then I get revitalized by Mr. Daniel Alfredsson
Again Alfie thank you for proving to me that their are still character people in this game I love, and it is you Sir that keep me coming back with my family, and proving that there is more to life than money, and prestige
Praise our leader Sir Alfie!!!!
*high five*
thank you Rush, appreciate it.
Cannot praise this man enough. Sens fans are really truly very fortunate.
Only thing left fitting for Alfie is one more serious shot at the Stanley Cup... an ending only Hollwood could come up with :)
I agree that it would cost a lot, Zibanejad, Greening, plus
Peterson or Smith, and a 1st round pick.
Can you imagine the lineup posted above by jakester :
Ryan - Spezza - Silverberg
Michalek - Turris - Alfredsson
Spezzerman has a strong argument that it would cost a lot, but then again, we were willing to trade a lot for Nash,
and he did not want to come here.
If Bobby Ryan wants to come to Ottawa, let's go for it !!
No way. Just absolutely NO way this is true. Anaheim can dream on if this is what they want.
Peterson or Smith, and a 1st round pick.
None of those guys will be as good as Ryan.
Zibby
Grenning
Peterson(not likely ever going to play a game here judging by his threat to go home)
1st
Ryan
HELL YES
Directed by the Murray Bros.
Yes I know they are not Bros. but I like to call them that. :)
What did you expect...Ryan is a proven young scoring stud...
Oh, and what miguel said.
If that was "all" it would cost us and we don't even lose goaltending depth (Bishop) I would be elated! Not sure that would get it done though.
I am all over that trade. Would try for 2014 first though, not 2013 as it is a deep draft apparently.
But for the Ducks to ask for Vanek, a prospect and a first for Ryan is crazy. That makes no sense at all.
Think a Leaf fan may have found his way over from Twitter.
Angry Burke is angry with this news!
And Vanek isn't?
A first round pick, a prospect and your franchise winger for Bobby Ryan? He is an unbelievable hockey player, but he is not worth that much at this point in time.
Anyway, it's not Ottawa related so it doesn't matter, but how could we even come close to matching that?
Phew... just a leafs fan, I knew it couldn't be a hockey fan :)
I suspect most teams won't be ecstatic about moving their first.
I guess you are right. We have enough depth to cover for Greening and Zibby. Sucks potentially not picking in the first round though.
Apparently the Vanek thing was Anaheim's counter offer whereas the Sabres initial offer was:
Stafford + Adam + Sekera + 1st
We cant match it, not without sending Michalek or Turris + picks/prospects .
Which would defeat the whole purpose of the trade...
Problem with dealing for Ryan is there is absolutely no doubt that you will have to over pay for him. Anaheim does not have to actually trade him
I would also give up MM9, add in our 1st round pick and that should do it.
I wouldnt give more than that for a rental.
@SSimpsonHockey Hearing Ryan talks are heating up. Sens one of the teams. Look for two parts going. Z Bad, Lehner, DaCosta, and Ceci mix. @TEAM1200Ottawa
Ok so of those parts, I'm sure all of us would pick DaCosta to go, what second piece would you guys prefer though? That's a tough call! Not saying I wouldn't do it but if you had to pick one guy to go, who would it be, Zibby, Lehner or Ceci?
Damn if that is all they want I would do this in a heartbeat.
Hesitant to give Ceci, I like that kid, gonna be a real stud on D.
But Zib, Lehner and Dacosta...DO IT!
If we HAD to include 9MM and I agree with those that say it would defeat the purpose... I would rather retain our 1st rounder then.
I love 9MM but his stock has never been higher. Sell high, buy low kids!
Would have to be Zibby. He's expendable at this point. Ceci and Lehner are not, IMO. They need the defensive depth and it's WAY too early to give up on Lehner. I would be upset to see him go.
100% it would have to be DaCosta and Zib as we still have plenty of top notch forward prospects. Ceci and Lehner are keepers. Trading Ceci would also be bad marketing if they sell 67's tickets with Sens tickets this year.
Three-way?
Gonchar, Zibanejad and DaCosta hahaha
Ryan for three years is not worth Lehner and Zibanejad.
B) To me Anaheim would be looking for Michalek and Zibanejad as starting pieces
Ahhh that would be really tough because I'm a big Lehner fan, Bishop instead perhaps? Haha
But in three years, both Ottawa and Philly will be different teams. What if Ottawa is the place to be if you want to win at that point in time, and Philly is the new Edmonton?
I wouldn't discount Ryan just because of what he says now. Once he plays for a couple of years in Ottawa, he may never want to leave.
Wow, I would not give up 2 of those pieces for Ryan unless 1 of them is DaCosta. Losing Ceci and Lehner for Ryan, though reasonable, is not worth it in my opinion. I don't think Ryan is a game changer, just a really good player.
I'd be willing to do Zibanejad, Bishop, DaCosta though.
Completely agree.
Don't give up a roster player or a pick? That would be a dream come true but it's exactly that. A dream. Haha.
That's the type of heartless maneuver that Muckler would pull.
"I'm not saying this is my last year," he said. "If I can still play and contribute, I'll continue.
"I didn't want the pressure of going through this again with a year left on my contract. I wanted a clean sheet."
No way we trade Michalek.
Ryan scored between 31 and 35 goals in his 4 years with Ducks.
Michalek scored 35 last year and might score more than Ryan
in the future.
Would defeat purpose and we still would have to replace Michalek
We have to keep key players, and give them good prospects
now on our roster plus 1st Round pick !
Zibanejad, Smith, Bishop, Da Costa..........
We're just commenting on what was reported, however it makes sense that Anaheim would want picks and prospects instead of established players because they need some serious depth rebuilding in their org right now. They've finally realized it's time to move on from at least some of the core that won them the cup.
If Zibanejad, Bishop, Da Costa + 2013 first would seal the deal I'd take that in a heartbeat. Realistic value trade in my opinion.
http://video.senators.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=1141&id=184860&lang=en
Silfverberg will get at least his first 10 games with either Jason or Kyle. Petr Regin is the odd man out looking in. The "Daug" makes the starting 12 forwards.
Alfie is not re-upping jack shit, he's said he will play out this season then decide next steps next off-season.
Because 40 year olds are most effective logging top line minutes....
PRAISE MF ALFIE!!!!!!
Did you see how winded he gets, I don't think he could handle 1st line minutes anymore. The 2nd line is perfect for him and for Turris' production!
Not going to happen simply due to the caps...
Where do I sign?
I don't care who we trade from our prospect as long as Ceci, Lehner, Stone and Silvferberg are not involved.packag e.
He is working some angles, but smart enough not to get any hopes up. Get it done Murray!
dunno, selling high on Michalek might be the right thing to do. His stats last year were significantly inflated with empty net goals. Realistically, would you rather Vanek or Michalek, personally I'd take Vanek...
Bobby Ryan is going to be a very good player for a long long time and yes he is a game changer. Don't underestimate the shitty environment that has surrounded Anaheim recently, it really does look like niedermayer and pronged held that team together.. Everything coming out of that org right now is negative including this debacle with visnovsky.
Zibby
our 1st
then likely 2 pieces if it involved Da Costa I would be stoked...He is good, but we have lots of depth there.
Michalek- Spezza- Stone ( Stone showed great chemistry with Pez in his first pro game. The brass is very high on him seeing how they threw him in an intense playoff series in his first NHL game instead of going with Butler, Daugavins, Klinkhammer etc.)
Silfverberg- Turris- Alfie ( Turris to break out. Alfie another 25 goal season or more, Silfver having a Greening like season or better. 15 goals 30-40 points.)
Latendress- Smith/ Regin - Smith/ Regin
Greening- Obrien- Neil.
After the 1st month when both Regin and The Tender injure themselves the lineup should be
Michalek- Spezza- Stone
Silfverdog- Turris- Alfie
Greening- Smith- Neil
Daugavins/ Hoffman- Obrien - Condra/ Zibby/ Petersson.
The kids are slowly pushing guys like Condra and Daug out of the lineup.
Wow I am happy to hear people are THAT pumped up about the kid, wasn't aware he was such the heralded prospect to that extent. Nice!
Silfverberg should get a crack at the top line before any other prospect, he definitely has more to show for development wise than Stone (who btw is one of my fav prospects). Silfverberg has proven he can compete on a nightly basis with full grown hockey players in the SEL, and he still dominated the season and won MVP.
Watch for Silfver as a Calder nominee, especially if he logs top line minutes.
Tell that to Selanne, Lidstrom, Whitney, Jagr, Martin StLouis etc.
This is not the pre lockout NHL where players are useless when they 30 or 35. They are in more shape than most of the younger players.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but I will say that for two young punks like that where the team would be incredibly happy if both of them could spend some top 6 time this season, a lot of that will depend on chemistry, especially given their youth. Never say never, let alone 29629331 times!
Yeah last year in Dv camp he was by far the best player, wasnt so this year but he was coming off a broken wrist so I can forgive him for that.
Always said this guy is a #1 prospect, possibly our next Gen captain!
Ouch, you just got Hoeeeee slapped!
Its not about being ahead. Its about chemistry. I made those lineups based on what I saw in the playoffs. Stone looked greatwith Spez and hoping for Silfver to have some swedish chemistry with Alfie.
Yeah I got slapped for sure. Did even one of those players log mostly first line minutes last year? I know St. Louis is only 37 not 40...
This was not insulting older players, just saying that they may not be the most effective on line #1. This was certainly the case for Alfie last year, why would he be one year older and get put back on the first line full time?
He was seriously all but invisible the rest of the game...not out of place by any means, but just there.
This is why were all on here everyday reading your blogs on a regular basis. Keep up the great work!
I guess you missed the preseason last year? Stone and Spezza showed some chemistry there too on a few plays. They both think the game in a compatible way. I don't think Stone being on line 1 and Silfverburg on line 2 means Stone is the better prospect, it's just possible the chemistry is better that way.
The Leafs typically do well in preseason...doe s that mean they win the cup annually?
Simmonds + Voracek + Laughton + 1st
edit: and apparently Holmgren is pissed and of course not even considering accepting it.
If Ducks want to negotiate like the NHL/NHLPA then maybe we need to make an offer but start really low like: Gonchar + rights to B. Butler (their fans would barely notice the difference) + 2014 2nd.
We're not talking wins and losses here, we're talking player chemistry. Preseason or regular season it matters!
Seriously.... If that is true, forget about Ryan then. Evidently, we will have to extremely overpay for him. It all depends what Anaheim wants.... from what I hear they want ready to play guys.
Would hate to lose ceci
I don't know why the Sens spend any time and money continuing to monitor and evaluate players after they have have already drafted them. Clearly, they should just hire all you geniuses instead. That way, you could tell them that Stone is nowhere near the prospect that Silverberg is, and not waste time giving Stone a shot.
Of course, they probably would have lost track of guys like Borowiecki because he was only a 5th round pick, and you huys would have told them to focus on 1st round picks only.
Seriously, why aren't you guys working for the Sens. If I was that smart, I would be...
Couldn't agree more.
yes because anyone has said that
Yeah, if true that is pretty reh-tarded! Laughton is considered their top prospect too. LOL.
That would sort of be like them asking us for Zack Smith, Turris, Silferberg and our 1st...
Michalek Spezza Stone
Silfverberg Turris Alfie
No no it doesn't...what about Latendresse??
They BEGGED Silfverburg to stay last year and play on Spezzas wing..that is where he will be
Quoting Tcharger:
Silfverberg will play and learn with Alfredsson
Cause Latendresse is not a top 6 player we are lucky if he stays healthy
If you have 30 goal scorers on your 3rd/4th line....MAN that would be one hell of a team.
Given IF he stays healthy is a HUGE if.
This will effectively give Spezza two shooters ...
I think Klinkhammer left the org and signed somewhere else.
SPL
Quoting Andrews Theory:
It doesnt matter if hes in the first or 2nd line he will have a shit at the calder on either line cause Maclean plays both lines about the same amount of minutes, same with the bottom 6, the 3rd and 4th line play about the same minutes.
we ll what exactly is the guy supposed to do when an agent gives him a rumour?
To me that says more about Walsh than it does the hockey insider person.
Lets not forget he has never played 82 games and 25 goal season happened 3 years ago and hasnt played more then handful games since
Quoting Tcharger:
Seems like wishful thinking latendresse has never played a full season cant except 25 goals from a guy that did that 3 years ago and has only played handful of games since
If it becomes clear that Anaheim would take prospects that puts us in a much better position.
I wouldn't trade Ceci though, he was a steal at 15 and he's far and away our best blue line prospect and the cupboards are pretty bare if he goes.
Don't you mean Smith, Turris, STONE, and our first?
Remember this is all conjecture for the sake of amusement. It is July 31st today in case you forgot.
It's interesting to think IF such and such were the asking price, how could the Sens match it and would it be worth it...
Putting him into the bottom 6 absolutely won't increase the likelihood that he plays a full 82(or close to it).
I have been thinking about Silfverburg on the second, and don't really have an issue with it, it isn't like Turris/Alfie are slouches. Regardless what line he is on I honestly believe he will be right in the running for the Calder. 2nd line maybe even moreso
now this leaves the sens in a postion to add someone via trade
BOBBY RYAN
Alfredsson said he has turned down the extension. He said he will look at it at the end of the year if he feel like he can return for another season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knzrzNNAXeU
0:00-0:05
Now replace Ryan with Heatley and do you notice anything familiar?
I say got to hell Ryan dont want your near Ottawa, not even when you have a game here. I would rather trade for a guy like Johan Franzen before Ryan actually. Cheaper, can do just as good as Ryan, better playoff performer and can be a mentor to the kids. Plus I am sure Frnazen would be entertained with playing in Canada. So I rather go down the river that way then going after Ryan
Ryan asked out because management kept putting him on the trade block. Wayyy different than Heatley and I'm not even the biggest Ryan supporter.
One guy that fits Maclean's game is Mason Raymond. He is a fast skater, drives the net and can score. He could be a potential top line forward if given the chance. Never got it in Vancouver with them playing the Sedin sisters and Burrows 40% + of the game.
Imagine moving Zib, Da Costa and Weicoch plus a second. I reallly dont want to lose that 1st round pick this year. That would be bad.
But ryan is my age and is just pure stud. hasn;t hit his full stride yet. pair him with spezza and watch him put on a clininc
Good one. But does Detroit want to trade him? Great playoff performer that is also Swedish ++++
SPL
No man. Just no. Only thing in common is the fact that both players wanted to leave the organization, and that's where the common ground stops.
Bobby Ryan year in year out is the trade talk of Anaheim whereas Danny Fucking Heatley was supposed to be our cornerstone franchise player that we finally locked down. As soon as we locked him down to that new contract and he got the money, he instantly wanted out. We realllly wanted Heatley to stay, whereas with Anaheim they feel Bobby Ryan is disposable.
Furthermore Ryan does not have a no trade clause that he's hiding behind, he just wants to go to a team that would be excited to have him.
Having said that: Bobby Ryan please come to Ottawa, we want you!
So you are telling me you believe Heatley when he said "I feel my role was being reduced in Ottawa and want to go somewhere where I can have a bigger role"
Ya that was a bunch of crap and same with what is coming from the Ducks. Player thinks he is the sh*t and when coach and management tells him otherwise then he wants out.
One guy that fits Maclean's game is Mason Raymond. He is a fast skater, drives the net and can score. He could be a potential top line forward if given the chance. Never got it in Vancouver with them playing the Sedin sisters and Burrows 40% + of the game.
"Hi Bryan, check out my cool hat, haha. Hope things are well and that it's an exciting week for Sens fans and I don't just mean the Alfie news. *wink wink*"
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Haha, ok there. It's been 2 years and management keeps bringing him up as a trade option. Anyone would be pissed and want out of that. He put up with it for a long time before finally saying enough is enough.
Next time just say you don't want Ryan and leave your reasoning out of it, because it's pretty weak and unfounded.
If they ask for Turris I would say forget it(and I've been one of Ryans biggest pushers)..that leaves us with as big a hole if not bigger
I highly doubt Ottawa would be willing to trade any of our current top 6 guys in a package for Ryan, so IF we could get him for say Zibanejad (a Centerman), Da Costa (another Centerman), and a 2014 1st round pick, would you not take that deal? (Keeping in mind that to get Morrow we would have to make a similar package)
Yes i know he wants out, but just b/c he wants out, does not mean that he may be the only player available.
I heard that Chicago and Sharp may be parting ways, this is the type of player I would love to see in Ottawa.
Point being that Ryan is not the only player that Ottawa may or should be looking at
It's been rumoured that Philly (of course) and Buffalo also have interest.
Read this in a comment on HB... don't know how reliable this guy is.. but for what it is worth.
"BREAKING NEWS: The #NHLDucks have presented an OFFICIAL counter-offer to the #FLYERS for Bobby Ryan/Simmonds+V oracek+Laughton +1st #CONFIRMED "
Yeah I posted that earlier and we discussed it. More than likely just BS rumors by the HockeyInsidrrr guy, but if that is the asking price that is pretty insane!
If that f'ing Shawn Simpson gets on the trade Lehner crap again... I'll scream. It had better be Bishop. I don't care how good Ryan is.. giving up Lehner will be the biggest mistake this team has ever made....
Haha Rush thats great!
God the more I look at the rumour the more I want it to be true...
Amen to that!
Bishop is as good or even better than Lehner so chill out.
hahahahahahaha .... oh boy, thanks for the laugh!
Respectfully disagree with this, like, really disagree.
Like really, really, really disagree really, really respectfully haha.
No he isn't....
Well Mr. Melnyk.. if you don't have the 'bucks' to properly run an NHL team.. then either bring in a part-owner.. or sell the team...
Bryan Murray and JP are talking about Alfie's 2nd year extention already. Bryan wants to keep Bibbi and the boys in a style they are accustomed to for this year ($1 million is chump change for Alfie) and to let and get Hugo working with EriK on 2013/2014. At least $4 million per?
Alfie will be our Captain until the bottom falls out of this re-build or all our Swedes move on.
Holy crap dude, why don't you actually read what Alfie said before going on about this? Doubly absurd that you drop names like Bibbi and JP like you have any f'ing idea what is going on...
"It's a non-issue for me," said Alfredsson, who spoke to general manager Bryan Murray about a one-year extension but decided against it.
Instead, he will play out this season and decide again next summer whether to keep going.
"I'm not saying this is my last year," he said. "If I can still play and contribute, I'll continue.
"I didn't want the pressure of going through this again with a year left on my contract. I wanted a clean sheet."
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=401935
If BM wants to add a top 6 forward, I'd wait a month or two into the season to do it. Play it by ear. At best the team gels like it did last year, plays well, and makes the playoffs. No trade necessary.
If the team struggles and, more importantly, some of our potential NHL ready prospects struggle, then maybe we move forward with dealing one of them + + for a more solid piece.
Time is on our side.
1)Bobby Ryan gets traded to Ottawa.
2)Bobby Ryan scores 50 this season playing on Spezza's wing, and they continue to dominate over the next few years.
3)Ottawa wins the cup this year.
4)Spezza makes team Canada, getting a roster spot over Getzlaf, who gets traded to the leafs.
You may take this to the bank.
I love you man.
I really, really respectfully really, really disagree. I said for months if Alfie decides to hang up the skates I am very happy with not making a big splash of any type, stick to a true, old school, difficult rebuild.
But the fact that Alfie is back now, and God bless the guy, this means that once again we are a playoff bubble team. Bubble team is the worst place to be for a 'rebuild' per se. Ask a Leafs fan.
With a substantial and shrewd move or two we could contend. We have the pieces to make things happen and now with Alfie back not only does it make hockey sense, but also emotional sense to give Alfie and the fans one last serious kick at a Cup before he slips into the history books.
I will agree with you that it may make sense to reassess the situation a month or two into the season, which is when Murray tends to do his best trading anyways.... that being said players like Ryan don't come on the 'market' all too often and that caliber of forward is exactly what we need so... he who hesitates is lost...
I don't mean this to be disrespectful at all, and I have nothing bad to say about the content of your posts. But you seem to write in riddles and it amuses me.
Who knows better...your agent, your wife and your GM or the player himself?
haha yes! Another riddle!
A rabbi, a priest and Daniel Alfredsson walk into a bar...
They all agree that you are a nonsensical dimwit almost all of the time.
*poof*
The beauty in all of this (for me): deal or no deal (nice!) I'm gonna be pretty pleased with where we sit.
No need to compare us to the Leafs, as far as that goes. Completely different animals (situations).
http://video.thescore.com/watch/alfie-rises-trailer-1
Michalek - Spezza - Briere
Ryan - Turris - Alfredsson
Wow. Too bad the cap space would be to the roof, but man.
Wait a sec, the Kings top 6 is pretty pricey as well. Why wouldn't our team be able to look like that? Plus what would it take to get him?
Haha all of the sudden Bobby Ryan is on our team?
You didn't hear??
Yeah bro. Assuming we're still in the hunt for him/ have the assets to do so.
I'm just dickinnn around with ya haha. Definitely couldn't afford to trade for both of them though :( I would be overjoyed to get Bobby Ryan though, seems like he's the only big ticket player left that the Sens could have a shot at.
Out with the old Bobby in with the new Bobby!! (at least I really hope so haha)
Bring it on. Alfie rules.
Whut? Have you lived under a rock the past couple of years. Yeah ask them leaf fans how they enjoyed 7 years without playoffs and all those lottery picks that have gone no where, also ask them how their 5th overall pick in 2008 is when they were in the lottery and we were a fringe playoff team selected at 15 th overall. I wonder how that turned out. Also ask the Oilers, Jackets, Isles etc how being a lottery team is going for them instead a playoff team. The kings were 8th seeded and showed that if you can get in the dance, anything could happen. There is so much parity in this league there is no such thing as cup contenders. In this day and age, its more about development than the position of the pick, sure everyone would like a higher pick but your still getting a 1st round talent and its what you do with him after the draft what really matters. Look at Colombus with Zherdev, Filatov, Brassard, Leclaire, Picard, Brule.
Lehner is the better goalie in the whole Sens System right now. Better then Lawson, Better then Bishop, better then Anderson.
I like Briere but I doubt Philly moves him just because of the reasons you said. My list of guys to go after would be these in this order:
Hemskey
Morrow
Raymond
Those 3 are the most realistic guys we could get at a price we can afford to help give us a top 6 forward and also to get us over the Cap Floor.
Does he still carry that blanket around?
If Omark isn't good enough to play for the Oilers then he's not good enough for the Sens. No thanks.
i hate giving away that much promising talent.
Then again, that's the way the game works.
You gotta give, to get.
Miguel, where did you here about Sharp being on the block? I've been searching for info/rumours and I can't find anything. Sharp would be awesome beside Spezza, and he can play the point if they go with four forwards on the power play.
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Not as a top line forward but to just give us a more ready forward prospect.
The Sens have so many players signed to contracts already that I think they'd need to move out quite a few bodies before taking a chance on Omark. + he seems like a brat.
I am with others would not want to see Lehner go anywhere, huge mistake.
We could however stock the Ducks with some nice prospects for their future.
Go Alfie
Zibby
Da Costa
Petersson
Wiercioch
2013 2nd
for
Ryan
I would love to see Petersson moved strictly because I have a sinking suspicion that he is never going to play a game for us.
If I was a dick... or an insider
comment #143. you heard it hear first #DRSENS#HiHaters
I didnt have petersson added in. but fuck it, throw in cowick or petersson and lets get that kid ryan. #ArmChairGM2012 its fun to dream eh Charger. Shit our team would look good.
What makes it worse is you don't just stop at Zibby, you want to throw in Dacosta and a 1st!?!?
You guys have no brains and no foresight.
SHUDDER !
Those are spare parts I don't mind parting with...Zibby hurts, but I fail to see him becoming a perennial 40 goal scorer. I suspect he will be in the 25-30 range most years likely with a few above/below.(assuming he moves to the wing and gets 1/2 line minutes)...While we have Spezza/Turris I can't possibly see him playing significant top 6 center minutes.
Quoting 111519:
Spezza is only 29, so hopefully minimum another 6 quality top line, "healthy" years. Turris is 23 so in a few years(hopefully 5/6) him and Spezza swap roles....and we are able to grab another 2-4 years from Spezza as our #2 center. So assuming these guys are happy(and Spezza has proven he wants to be here...and every indication is that Turris is pretty ecstatic too)it will be roughly 10 years before Zibby can get top 6 minutes in his natural position.
Guess who is 25(right in the middle of these two guys....Bobby Ryan, if we can sell him on the team(and hopefully get an extension worked out) we would be stupid to not give up essentially spare parts in a position that our depth is amazing(Zibby/D a Costa)
But hey...we are all stupid for wanting to ensure we dont have 6 capable top 6 centers....Bah fuck it, I am certain you are a troll..you disagree with anything and everything centered around trading anyone.
True... but when the supply is low on these type of players and the demand is high... You have to give a lot more then just "gotta give" to get :/
Training hard for past 6 weeks, confirmed that he is ready to continue, for at least one more year.
Hope he stays healthy all season,and contributes a lot on the scoreboard, as well as mentor our young prspects.
It might be best to go with current players, in lieu of trading and chasing an expensive linemate for Spezza.
We just might have a winger in Silverberg or Stone, to fill
our first line !!
Michalek - Spezza - Silverberg( Stone )
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!
Linus is actually a good player and exciting to watch at times, but again more so of a 2nd/3rd liner, which we have plenty of. Add the fact that his play goes from great to lazy at the turn of a dime, I doubt that it fits BM player mold that he's looking for. That said he's still a great player and would do good on a team less stacked offensively as the Oils.... just IMO not a good fit for the Sens.
He worked part time over the past month at CTV Ottawa.....And he's not coming back, I wonder why! I wouldn't put much stock into anything that guy says...
Yeah moron, the Leafs have been finishing just outside of the playoffs instead of bottoming out that is my point. Go big or go home.
And if you were so surprised that the Kings went all the way then you obviously know nothing about hockey. Many, including myself had them pegged to win the Cup at the start of last season. After floundering a bit, their team which is certainly the best on paper at least started to peak at exactly the perfect time.
And if you want to compare the shitty drafting of other teams like Columbus or Toronto to what our staff could do with high picks... I'm not even going to address that stupidity.
If we did get Ryan and had the assets to make another move, it would probably not be for another forward, we'd probably look at shoring up the defense a bit first.
Couldn't have said it better myself Tcharger! Bravo.
LOL did I hit a nerve? Thats the way of making your argument, calling people stupid. Yeah thats what I did, I compared our drafting to Colombus and Toronto drafting. Yeah you should try to read a bit better instead of fishing for imaginary arguments.
It's possible to make the playoffs operating at the cap floor as we did last season, but I honestly believe that we won't be able to make a deep playoff run or contend for a Stanley Cup until we start spending to the cap.
We'll never be able to contend with the likes Boston, New York, Philly, Pittsburgh, L.A., Chicago etc when we're operating around the salary floor while they're all spending close to the ceiling. It's just the way it is.
Hard to disagree, although it could just be posturing no?(I admit I didn't listen to the clip)
Obviously the team is going to say they are happy with the team they have and that they do not feel they need to make a move even if they think they do
Listen to the interview. It's pretty frustrating. I'm sure you can find it on the team1200 website. I don't think it's essential to spend 70 million on the team payroll, but Melnyks full of shit if he thinks we can contend while spending near the floor.
Sharp was being rumoured a while ago, not sure if he is still being offered.
But my point is that there is nothing stopping BM from calling on other GM's about players that we think could fit in with Spezza. We do not have to all shop for one guy and drive up the price.
Edmonton has way too many forwards right now, make a pitch for one, with a few forwards and one of our D ( ie Weircoch )
Point is make some calls to teams that may have an abundance at forward.
PS your rants are amongst one of my favs on this site... keep it up!
Speaking of favorite rants, where has Mike Peluso gone to?
http://www.the6thsens.com/2012-articles/july/eugene-melnyk-speaks-embraces-small-market-mentality.html
No. Just pointing out how your 'argument' has extremely little validity to it.
thank you for posting this RUSH.
But I do kind of agree with most of what Melnyk is saying.
The stupid money that is going out there for the type of talent is ridiculous.
And I think that his mouth has soured with the money he has thrown out to Kuba, Gonchar, Kovalev, and the results from that. So yah be careful on UFA's, but I hope he is not saying that he will not reward those that have been cultivated and earned their contracts, as we do have plenty of high end prospects that may one day mean spending to the cap to keep them.
I agree 100% that there are many other fish in the sea besides Ryan. Teams like San Jose, Detroit, Chicago have all depleted their farm systems and are lacking depth in their bottom six and in the minors, both of which we have plenty. I could definitely see a Q for Q trade with us shipping out a bunch of guys for a top six that we haven't thought about yet. Patrick Sharp, Ryan Clowe, Devin Setoguchi, and many others may be available for the right group of depth players and prospects.
As far as Peluso is concerned, I think he's serving six months in prison for tooling Darcy Tucker at a charity golf tournament.
You can read into what he is saying any number of ways, and it can all be posturing, probably more for the CBA discussions than anything else...
I agree with spending smart and was delighted to hear him applaud the dire importance of spending solid money on A class scouting staff, trainers etc...
But spending close to the cap is pretty much essential those season where the team is poised to do some serious damage. It would have been stupid for example to bring in a big contract last year, but this year or next could be a totally different story...
Either way we don't really know what Melnyk's opinion really is on all this, but when we are contenders, if he intends to avoid spending big money at all costs... that is bad news for us folks. When the time is right, that is what puts your build in-house talent over the top...
excellent post Denis, could not agree more. There are teams that need Quantity, and 3rd 4th line role players which we do have plenty of, as well as potential future top 6 potential.
Also 6 months is well worth pounding Mother Tucker with a driver :) LMAO
It's hard to be critical of Melynk's spending when Senators fans don't fill the building to capacity...ever . (i'm talking 20,500 not the 19,000 or so they consider a "sell out" which we barely reached last year either. And, at least last year, so many tickets were sold at a discount. It was not hard to get into the building for $20. Demand for Sens tickets isnt high enough to fill the building each night let alone enough to demand top dollar for those tickets, certainly not by Canadian team standards.
I know ticket sales aren't the only revenue generator, but it has to be one of, if not the biggest for Ottawa. Nights with 17,000-19,000 fans send a pretty clear message that we have fair weather fans in Ottawa who are indifferent to whether we spend to the cap or not.
At the end of the day, he has to make a profit. I doubt that the Sens are a huge money maker for him. I see it as a labour of love that isn't making him go bankrupt, but not any richer either.
As an owner I would be skeptical that spending an addtional 15-20M per year on salary would automatically translate back into profit. Over the past 15 years, the Sens have been the most consistently successful Canadian team, standings wise while, i'd bet, spending the least amount on payroll.
So I guess my point is, fans have a role to play in whether a team is able to spend to the cap and I am not convinced average Sens fans are dedicated enough to demand a 70M payroll. Obviously those of us on this site are a-typical fans who likely spend thousands each year on the Sens, as I do.
Agreed Rush, at some point if we really want to go for it he will have to shell out SMART $$$ on the right people.
Spending the floor will only make us a glorified AHL team that will develope talent for the likes of the NYR or Flyers
My problem with his comments are that they are incredibly short sighted
No we're not spending to the cap NOW, but what happens when all these supposedly terrific draft picks become free agents? they're going to want more money, and just naturally we will inch closer and closer to the cap
It seems like he thinks we our prospects will continue to make 1 million per season for the rest of their lives
add 5 million to silfverberg, 3 million to turris and 2.5 million to both bishop and Lehners Cap hits and that will give a more realistic Idea of what our payroll will look like 5 years from now
Melnyk (god bless him) is an imbecile in interviews
Although I agree with what you are saying about salaries...how can you give Silfverburg 5 mil, and Turris only 3 mil?
We have Silfverberg for another 2 years at 900 000, which I suspect will be one of the biggest steals in the league. Turris also is going to be a steal at 1.4 mil....I have a feeling you will see both making in the 3-4.5 mil range after their both respective contracts.
Man you have to keep in mind that if Alfie retires at the end of the season (please God no), and when Gonchar leaves at the end of the season, there's $9.5 million of cap space right there....at the end of this year potentially.
So when our prospects deserve their big paydays, they will get it, and we will also still be able to be a cap floor team and succeed.
Having said that I still would like to spend a bit more obviously, but it's Melnyk's dollars not mine.