With the NHL Draft now in the rear view and the organization’s cupboards stocked with a fresh batch of prospects, Bryan Murray and his staff get ready for another busy week.
The Ottawa Senators kick off their annual Development Camp beginning tomorrow at Scotiabank Place and in just six days, the league will kick off a period that has appropriately been dubbed, Free Agent Frenzy.
In addition to the excitement that comes with Development Camp and free agency, you can bet that the rumours surrounding trades will continue to swirl. Bryan Murray was extremely active at the draft and you can expect that to continue in the week or so leading up to free agency and beyond.
Murray has identified a couple organizational needs and seems set on addressing them either through trade or through free agency when the market on July 1.
The Ottawa Senators continue to be mentioned alongside a couple other teams when it comes to Rick Nash. Over the weekend, the Columbus Dispatch reported that Ottawa was not one of the teams Nash would accept a trade to. Can’t help but feel like that story is being misinterpreted a little bit. Just because Ottawa was not on Nash’s initial list, which was submitted last season, does not mean he would rule out a move to the Nation’s Capital.
Obviously the Senators feel like that list could change, or already have some indication that he would be willing to consider the move.
Either way, definitely not ready to rule the Senators out of this just yet.
If Murray does miss out on Nash, who is expected to be dealt sometime after free agency opens, you can expect him to aggressively pursue other options. Hard to classify it as much more than a pipe dream but I do expect the Senators to consider a pitch for the biggest name on the market this offseason- Zach Parise.
Regardless, after an impressive turnaround season with a rebuilding team, it's fairly clear that Bryan Murray is trying to make a splash this offseason.
- The Sens kick off their Development Camp tomorrow at the Sensplex and will be joined by the 15th overall selection in the NHL Draft, Cody Ceci. The organization was thrilled to see Ceci fall to fifteen on Friday night, later admitting that they ranked him in their top five heading into the draft. Former 67’s bench boss Brian Kilrea had some high praise for Ceci saying, “"He'll be one of the top defencemen in the NHL... If you like Drew Doughty, you're gonna love Ceci." The full roster for the Development Camp will be announced later today.
- While the Senators look to address their need for an additional top six forward and another top four defenceman, they also have a couple free agents of their own to look after. Winchester, Konopka, Klinkhammer, Kuba, Carkner, Auld and Gilroy will all become unrestricted free agents as of July 1. Of that group, it’s believed the Sens have shown interest in retaining Winchester and Carkner and perhaps Kuba, but only if he’s receptive to a short term deal at a lower dollar amount.
Thoughts?
Not that I have been told but that certainly doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I would be surprised if Murray hasn't at least kicked tires on that front.
(not critizing, just wondering if I missed something?)
Murray had stated the 2012 1st was never in play
I believe in Murray is willing to take Mason back and his salary then Bishop would still be in play and CLb would look to a Bishop/bobvrosk i tandem
I would still think MZ, Foligno and Bishop would be the base package
It was reported a few things:
1- If Yakupov fell past Edmonton, Ottawa were going to try and get the 2nd pick
2- Murray was reportedly trying to move up constantly to get Ceci then had him fall
3- Murray is still working on a deal for hjarmalsson
4- Rick Nash
5- I would imagine their are other phone calls that get made for feelers that will never get reported
I believe Bobby Ryan will have a package that is eerily similar to the market set by the Jordan Staal deal
Nash is a different market than Staal IMO but Anaheim will want a young stud prospect that is NHL ready and developed (Sutter) a 1st(or top prospect) and a mid level prospect
The only entry level player we have that is young and considered a stud is Cowen and I would imagine thats where Anaheim starts and stops
Silfverberg, Stone MZ etc are all high end prospects but none of them have the NHL seasoning that Sutter already has for example
Exactly. While there weren't moves necessarily, Murray was working a number of angles this past weekend.
oh ok. I read too much into "extremely active."
A Stanley Cup may change his mind
You know what I really like seeing is how most the rumour talk never comes to fruition and how we end up with trades nobody saw coming. Ok, everyone figured Staal was going to Caronlina with the Brother connection, so scratch that one. But the JVR to TO trade, not once did that even come up as a possible rumour that I could find and the details after say they were talking since last year. And did anyone expect Burke to give away the rights of Gustavsson to the Jets? I mean, the move makes sence considering the Luongo to TO rumour, but I never heard anything. I guess Burke has a way of keeping the lid shut on his ideas.
And Washington picking up Mike Ribeiro, from what I recall he was never even mentioned as a possible. I do like the move, Ribeiro has always been an under the radar player, fit well in Dallas. Hard to say what will happen in Washington.
Yeah I feel the same way. The Sens are in a great position moving forward and personally, I'm not interested in a player that has to take Ottawa as a consolation prize. If we're going to pay that much money and that much term I want a player that truly wants to come here. (Of course for all we know Ottawa's at the top of his list and he won't play for anyone else)
the Schenn for JVR trade has been rumored for over a year. It wasn't a surprise to many people
Ribiero was rumored to be shopped along with Ott prior to last year's deadline but Dallas were still in the hunt so they held back
As for Gustavsson thats hardly a trade, simply trading rights, no big deal
I guess I just don't care about the TO details to much, so I never heard about a possible JVR to To, but I knew JVR could be moved in general. And who really cares about Gustavsson anyway? lol
Not sure many people will pick up on the subtle sarcasm and references to a certain Suns hack, but once you make that connection this is fairly funny.
Hopefully it will have the same result as the article about Karlsson that inspired it.
LMFAO at people that take what a GM says in a scrum at face value.
Folks: you can't believe a word of it. You can't believe rumors you see on twitter or blogs either. Good blogs (like this one) can give you indications of what might happen but that's as close as anyone gets that doesn't have a closet full of Sens golf shirts (i.e. works for the team).
Murray and Howson could have a deal in place and are just waiting while Nash mulls it over, or Murray could "know" there's never going to be a deal for Nash but he wants people to think he's in on it to help along some other possible deal he's working on (Ryan, Kane etc). Or anything in between.
It's fun to theorize and analyze everything to death, but let's not assume we actually KNOW anything.
oh man, that's great stuff.
Imagine they'd kept Ribeiro, Ryder and Grabovsi as their second line...hell it'd likely be better than their current first line.
See:
Grabovski
Ryder
McDonagh
Camalleri
Leclair
Richer
Lumme
Damphousse
Chelios
Turgeon
Roy
Maybe they were afraid that another team might step up an offer and he could go else where. Like, instead of playing with Eric, the Rangers could have offered for him to play with Marc, and the blooming Rangers. Just a guess.
Either way, I'm actually looking forward to watching Staal this year with the Canes. He's been long over due for a top-line role, one that he was never going to get with the Pens because of Sid & Geno being the faces of that franchise. It's been discussed that Jordan Staal is a number 1 C on any other team, and well, the Canes just got a lot better.
Voice of reason. Thank you Hax.
P.S. My dog groomer's cousin is a 4th cousin of Nash's housekeeper's son and was told that Nash is coming to Ottawa for Francis Lessard. E5
Do we dare get our hopes up that we might actually land him on July 1st?
yes but I'm sure we have options of equal value.
anyways, I always think its interesting to see what players go for and then think how we could have made a similar deal. He (Visnovsky) had a killer season two years ago and would fit well in a "Karlsson" system. O well. Just wondering what ppl here think about that deal. seems like a big one that got over looked thats all.
WIth his NMC/NTC, it is gone after 1 trade right? So even if in 2-3 years he wanted out (I'd hope not) at least Murray wouldnt be handcuffed like he was with Heatley. He could trade him to whoever he wanted to
I don't think it's as done of a deal as was rumored. Last I heard they're taking offers today and tomorrow and spending Tues & Wed reviewing his options.
Part of the return in this trade is because Carolina was willing to make it a real hockey trade. But also Staal wasn't so much guaranteed to be jumping to the Hurricanes next summer, he just didn't want to tie up for 10 years into a situation where then he would likely never play with Eric. Also, because it was known that he would re-sign in Carolina, Pitt wasn't going to take less than a fair trade value as they wouldn't be sending him off as a rental.
Carolina needed help asap, I think this trade alone may make them a competitor for 8th next year.
The No trade claus moves with Nash, it doesn't get voided
Heatley NMC had a provision in it that after 3 years a two week window beginning July 1st opened up and Heatley was allowed to submit a list of 10 team he would not go to. This was a formality (i believe many NMC have these)
And San Jose took advantage of it
One of the most famous examples was Kaberle in Toronto a few years ago where a two week window opened up before the season started to move him
So in summayr, if we get nash, we get his NTC/NMC as well
Technically I don't think he can sign anywhere until July 1 but could talk to teams as of July 25.
I don't think for a second we will get him but I hold a glimmer of hope based on his two reported conditions; play for a Canadian team and get opportunity for top 4 role; Ottawa does fit his wants. Also consider Karlsson and Cowen as teammates and/or potential partners, emerging team, will likely meet asking price... Why the heck not?
Peraonally, i take everything BM says at face value
Hes talked to cbj. He didnt talk to them on draft day.
Its up to him to see if he wants to move forward
He has not inquired about ryan (as of draft day. Possibly changed in past 2 days)
Ryan is good.
Assuming that everything a GM says is posturing will make ypu all die of a heart attack
You think gms watch sportsnet to see what other gms say? No. They call them and hear it first hand
I know it could mean nothing but didnt Murray say that it was if we wanted to go forward with it? Wasnt the ball in OTT's court? and whatever is holding us back from going forward?
Yes, last words from Murray was that it was in our court and the price requested is still too high. Basically Columbus sent us an expensive counter and talks have trailed off for now as Murray is not ready to pay that price.
Well then Murray's doing good, sit on it and wait, Howson will either crack eventually or run CBJ more into the ground by keeping Nash for the season.
Wait until other teams offer crap, only NYR left on the table really as PHI sent JVR to TOR.
And Howson already pissed them off with overly high priced counters maybe they will just drop off and Howson takes our offer when all his options fail.
http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2012/06/isles-offered-all-their-picks.html
I agree, it was VERY over looked and still remains that way. I think the biggest reason is because he ended up on the Island. It's a team that people just don't care about too much, regardless of some of the talent they have. The other reason is Visnovsky is now 35, has a hard time putting in a full season and has a 5 M contract. While he could look good with Ottawa and EK, it could also backfire. We are already working with an aging Gonchar and the last year of his 5.5 M contract. I guess it just didn't look enticing to the Sens Brass.
Wow... We have a special one right here.
The only thing I can think of is that Howson didn't want to kill his scouts.
That's a ridiculous offer for the NYI to make. In fact the only thing more ridiculous than offering that, is not accepting it.
And it's not even like it was an offer for the second pick and they wanted to keep the 4th. This was an offer to move up two spots!
To be completely honest, this article makes me discredit Aaron Portzline
There is no way the Isles would offer that to move up two spots, seems highly unlikely anyway
And in terms of a rebuilding team such as CLb there is no way Howsen could be that dumb to think Ryan Murray is that much better than Reinhardt
Yeah, what you say all makes sense to me. good points. good response. thanks.
Wow, we might not get anywhere with Howson if this is true, is this guy for real, I would have done that in a heartbeat, thats like 20 picks....probab ly too much work and why rebuild now I mean whats another 6 years until Nash becomes a UFA...lol
wow....regardle ss of it not being a deep draft....if that article has even a half truth to it you take that deal and laugh your ass off the whole draft...
This is a hard story to believe, but the fact Howson had no comment to the question of it, makes it seem a little more believable. I mean, I wouldn't comment either if I declined such an offer. He's best to make it sound as though it never happened, if he wants to keep his job.
Except Garth Snow is actually pretty decent on draft day. Isles have a pretty good core of young guys if you think about it
Moulson
Parenteau(**)
Tavares
Bailey
Okposo
Grabner(Waivers)
Niedereitter(iffy)
Calvin de haan
Kabanov
Strome
Petrov
Thats some serious talent
If they can get quality goaltending from montoya, and then hopefully de haan and reinhart develop now, they could be a team on the upswing
If you've followed the Islanders prospects since Snow took over you'd see that overall he has them on a really good rebuild plan and I think this will be the first year we start seeing those results from a team perspective. Their only real hole right now is in nets. I think he's come a long way as a gm the last couple years.
Columbus fired 4 scouts right after the draft. Wouldn't it be crazy if the reason they were fired was because they didn't do enough research to be prepared to make 7 extra draft picks?
If they would have been throwing spitballs at a wall and going in blind, I could see Howsen during it down and sticking to the plan.
They did follow up that proposal by only drafting defensemen. 7 in total
I guess they figured why bother wasting time scouting goalies and forwards when its clear defense is our issue
As of today teams can start making offers and talking to Schultz. After he officially announced his intent there was a 30 day exclusivity window afforded to Anaheim to negotiate a contract with him. So as of today the 30days is up, HOWEVER Schultz can not officially sign a deal UNTIL July 1st.
But Nets is also an issue.
like all Howson had to do was go to NHL.com and check the draft rankings if he was that unconfident in his scouts jk! lol
but seriously couldn't agree more
The quote in the article actually reads "We just felt it was time to change the direction of the scouting staff," Howson said. "We informed them that their contracts won't be renewed. We're thankful for their loyal service."
If their contracts were just running out now anyways, this isn't really a big deal, except for the fact he let scouts he doesn't trust perform the whole draft.
The trading team has the right to accept the NMC/NTC or not. Vishnosky had a NT when he was with Edmonton. When he was moved to ANA, they chose not to honor it, as such he has been moved around without issues. If I can find the article I'll post it. However I suspect when you are talking about players like Heatley or Nash, they probably won't accept a trade unless their NT/NMC is accepted by the new team.
Personally I think in the next set of CBA talks this needs to be addressed. How can a player with a NMC/NT clause who requests to be traded have the ability to pick teams. NT/NMC are there to protect the player if the team chooses to move the player. A player making the request is basically voiding the clause.
http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/content/stories/2012/06/24/howson-offers-not-right-for-nash-deal.html
But general manager Scott Howson said none of the offers he has been presented in recent days came close to landing Nash.
“I thought there might be (more interest at the draft),” Howson said. “But there wasn’t.”
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So he misread the market at the deadline, misread the market at the draft and now he's hoping he'll get 3rd time lucky with free agency? What a mess this team has become!
They told him they are rebuilding, and he simply said if you need to move me to help with the rebuild, I am open to such a thing
In no way is Nash acting liek Heatley or anyone else for that matter in terms of requesting a deal
now before you reply remember
this is hockeycentral.. ..where even they would reject 7 draft picks to move down 2 spots
It was really only after Howson threw Nash under the bus at the trade deadline, that Nash doesn't want to return. BEing disrespected by management (especially of a team that Nash has done so much for) would be enough for most stars to want out - ie, Bobby Ryan.
I don't view this as the same type of situation as Heatley because like you said, Nash simply told management he would be willing to do what they felt was best for the team....big difference from a "trade demand".
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/ottawa_senators/
Howson is doing a marvellous job. Keep it up buddy. Hilarious.
As promised, CBA reference: Section 11.8 (a & b) (P. 48). Unfortunately I can't seem to copy and past from the CBA.
http://nhlpa.com/docs/about-us/nhl_nhlpa_2005_cba.pdf
They're very realistic on that site (i.e. they resist the urge to only see the best case). If you compare our prospects to other similar ones with other teams they hold up really well in general.
And of course it's just one group's opinion.
The write up is outdated so I am not sure how up to date the scoring is?
Brilliant work!
I still really believe he is using the Sens to drive up the price for the Rangers. Parise won't sign with the Rangers so Nash is probably their 'prize'.
Ryan though a good player is risky to take. It will cost a lot in way of prospects & picks and he could walk in 3 seasons as a UFA... At least with Nash.. it's 6 yrs..
Schultz has friends in the NHL - Gardiner in Toronto, McDonough in NY and Brendan Smith in Detroit. Then teams close to his home - Canucks, Flames & Oilers will make a push. His agent says he wants a guarantee Schultz will play on the top 4 of a team. That takes a lot of gall to come out with that... He won't with the Rangers, Detroit, Canucks... so it's probably Toronto, Flames & the Oilers...
There are some serious issues in CLB .. speechless
I hope Murray is in pursuit of Bobby Ryan, not sure what the asking price would be, but I would deal any three or four of Silfverberg, Boroweicki, Butler, Condra, Petersson, Da Costa, Claesson & Regin.
The Sens are rated 2nd overall...how is that low?
the prospects in there system are rated at most a C, so average at most. thats why i was surprised that being in 2nd we have no A or B talent
that's batshit crazy
So Ryan Murray for any collection of these guys (two left empty - couldn't see nearby good players).
4, 34, 65, 103, 125, 155 and 185
[4] Griffen Reinhart
[34] Pontus Aberg (rated 9th by Corey Pronman), Lukas Sutter, Matthew Finn, Martin Frk
[65] Scott Kosmachuk, Troy Bourke, Jarrod Maidens, Frederik Andersen (Best goalie in Europe, broke the current Vezina winner’s records – don’t they need a goalie????), Brenden Leipsic, Daniil Zharkov (good player)
[103] Erik Gustafsson, Erik Karlsson, Andreas Athanasiou, Calle Andersson
[125]
[155] Anton Zlobin, Tomas Hyka
[185]
So they could of had Reinhart, Aberg, Andersen, Karlsson, Zlobin and Hyka for Ryan Murray...
Every team is assigned their own writer so you can't compare teams by these ratings.
A or B has less meaning than the #s on their site. The # beside a player is the skill level, the A or B or C ... is how likely they are to reach their full potential. I've noticed that anyone with a 7.0C or above is a pretty good prospect per that site.
NYI could've gone to EDM too. Oilers need a D anyway, so why wouldn they turn this offer too?
If its true Toronto offered the 5th and Schenn for the 1st, then I think Tambelinni is the bigger joke of the two (between Howsen)
I'm not huge on Schenn but a Schenn+Reilly/T rouba combo would serve that team huge
meanwhile Clb really only turned down an extra 2nd and 3rd which is like 20-30% chance of making it anyways.
the numbers and quantity make it seem so bad, but in reality Howsen didn't make that dumb of a move
Because Edmonton wants Ds that are ready now, not in 3-5 years. They were drafting Yakupov for sure. The drop from Yakupov to Murray was much bigger than Murray to Reinhart.
Edmonton wanted more than that for the 1st.
Look at Chicago - they have 15 prospects with 7.0C and above. We have 4.
Just laughable, forget it.
Laughable? If you don't like that site it's fine, but for a general idea of how prospects are viewed it's pretty good. If you think our prospects should all be 8.0A you're probably not valuing them right either.
There would have been a pretty decent market for that #34 pick - he could have likely got something for it. But in reality, Murray isnt that far ahead of Reinhart. Could have taken just as good a d prospect and had extra picks to trade or stock the pantry. Odds that one of the extra picks surprises you is pretty good. totally worth sacrificing Murray for Reinhard or Reilly or...
Tim Jackman (2)
Aaron johnson(3)
Joakim Lindstrom(2)
Ole-Kristian Tollefsen(3)
Dan Fritsche(2)
Phillipe Dupuis (4)
Marc Methot(6)
Dan Lacosta(3)
Grant Clitsome (9)
Adam McQuaid (2)
Kris Russell (3)
Jarrod Boll (4)
Steve Mason (3)
Tom Sestito (3)
Derek Dorsett (7)
So in 12 years of drafting 15 players drafted by them beyond round 1 has made the NHl and some of those names (Lacosta, sestito,tollefs en, lindstrom) barely made it and are no longer in NHL
In reality they have only made 4 good selections after round2, methot, mason, clitsome, russell
Now this isn't just CLB this is NHl averages also, well documented the % of making it to the NHl beyond Round 1.
So I really don't think CLB was that stupid to turn it down
The only reason I still think it was stupid is that I don't see Murray that much better than Reinhardt, so I would take Reinhardt + the 2nd pick essentially
I'd rather talk about some of the other possible UFA signings Ottawa could make a pitch for. We are still in the hunt for a top 4 D right? Will that be a trade? Sure looks like it has to be at this point. I still think Ottawa is looking into Hjalmarsson. But who else could be a target in a trade scenario?
Douglas Murray
Jay Bouwmeester
Yeah i was wondering about the whole Hjalmarsson talk too. It kind of quieted down. Any progress or news about that scenario?
D. Murray would be good. I'd love Bogosian but who wouldn't?
It would be good if they had a panel of writers who would rate all prospects.
In its current state when team prospects are rated by one guy who misspells their names it's useless. Most HFBoards or Senschip readers would do a better job.
Ya, the consistency could definitely be better, but it's the best source I've found out there thus far. Do you have other sites you prefer like that?
Sure you could say that once parise et al. are signed, there is a supply/demand thing going on
but Nash is a player that needs to be traded for, not signed. Meaning that the 'supply' part of the graph is ANY player in the league who can score 60-70 pts
Just because Parise or Parenteau are signed, doesnt mean that Nash is the ONLY option for teams looking to add talent.
those teams could just as easily call any other of the 29 teams and look for a trade
with 6 years at 7.8, Nash should actually be seen as the least attractive trade option for any team.
If I were BM I would take my offer off the table, and bring it to any team who has a 25-30 goal scorer
Howson is a joke and clearly doesn't understand economics
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hockeynomics???
Karl Alzner in Washington has a decent contract at 1.3 M, plays big minutes and is a shutdown kind of guy. He wouldn't come cheap I don't expect, as his services are important in Washington, but for the right price he could be made available.
Marc-Edouard Vlasic would be a solid addition for a 3.5 M big-minute puck-moving defenseman. We know SJ is looking to make moves as they were big on Nash. What if Ottawa and SJ said "screw Nash" and decided to help one another instead. Vlasic is a guy who's really improved his defensive game, would look great in a Sens Jersey.
St Louis signed him, but Barret Jackman at 3.5 for 3 years would look nice in our top 4. Out of all the guys who were previously available, I think a trade for him would not affect the current roster too much.
Or Ottawa could do what many suggested before, deal some prospects to Phoenix for Keith Yandle. It's known now that they are looking for help down the middle since dealing away Turris. We could provide something back to fill that need. When Gonchar's 5.5 is off the books next year, taking Yandles 4.75 doesn't seem too bad.
There is a nightlife... regardless of what some of you say...
Kanata has the bars and tons of restaurants. Shopping is plenty.. and with those new outlet stores going in across the highway from SBP. There is the market which has tons of restaurants and bars which I think most of the young Sens go to. You have a Casino across the river.
It's a great place to raise children. Lots for them to do..
Players can live about 10 - 15 min from the rink.. they don't have to travel an hour through traffic to get there.
How about he comes to take a look before he says no.
It would be Cheaper on the Cap too pick up Ott and Morrow then it would for Nash
Morrow 2010 season had 33 goals
Ott coming off a 40 point season 156 pims 278 hits
I like HF too when it comes to evaluating other teams prospects. But to compare them against prospects from your team based on these ratings - not so much.
That could be an option too, Winnipeg is the newest team people seem to forget about.
Further on some D, Since the Islanders made all those D draft picks and are good at making stupid moves, we may be able to pick up a guy like Travis Hamonic. He's young, has improved the last 2 seasons and could fit into a more defensive role here in Ottawa. Maybe we could trade a bag of pucks for him?
HF is useful to just understand who the most valuable assets are on any given team. Look at their list and whoever is the highest on a specific team, thats their prized possession.
Like you said, you can't then take a 7.5B rating and compare him to a different team
We all know Silfverberg and MZ are our prize possession but who is the top prospect for San Jose or St.Louis? Check HF and you get a good starting point
He hasnt said no.
I know the dates just dont know when the rooks are on the ice?
Boys on Hockeycentral @ noon confirming, once again, that Ottawa is NOT on Rick Nash's list. And that the "list" will not change if the trade deadline comes and goes... in other words: he ain't coming to Ottawa. This is why the deal has not gone through. Seems to be the only "hold up" in a deal.
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Have a feeling Ott goes to the Leafs.. Burke likes truculence.
Rumour has it Dan Boyle may be available.. Sure he is up there.. but he's still a good skating puck moving defenseman...
Any thoughts?
I know it starts tomorrow.. ends July 2nd. Scrimmage is at 7:00 on the 28th. I think most of the on-ice sessions throughout the week are available for the public to watch.. but I can't confirm that..
•On-ice training every day at the Bell Sensplex, starting Tuesday, June 26, at 1:30 p.m., with the exception of the camp's final day, Monday, July 2, which features the 3-on-3 tournament.
•An evening scrimmage (5-on-5) will take place on Thursday, June 28, at 7 p.m. at the Bell Sensplex. The scrimmage will be followed by a meet-and-greet reception with Senators season-seat owners in the fieldhouse on the lower level of the Sensplex.
•The annual 3-on-3 tournament is set to take place at the Bell Sensplex on Monday, July 2, at 9:45 a.m.
•Off-ice workouts on the mornings of June 27 and June 28 and afternoon workouts on June 29 and June 30.
•An outdoor welcome to Ottawa team-building event in the afternoon on July 1.A vision training session for goaltenders at Dynamic Edge Sports Vision Training Centre (Bell Sensplex).
•An information session on injury recovery led by Seantors head atheletic therapist Gerry Townend.
•A specialized sport nutrition/cooki ng seminar held by creative nutrition specialist Molly Morgan.
•A champions talk with Carleton University men's basketball head coach Dave Smart. Smart has guided the Ravens to eight Canadian Interuniversity Sport championships since assuming the role in 1999. He has also served as an assistant coach with the Canadian men's National Team.
•All on-ice workouts, including the team scrimmage and 3-on-3 tournament, are open to the public. Media availability will take place at Scotiabank Place following off-ice workouts and at the Bell Sensplex after on-ice practice sessions.
73 * Costello, Jeff L 6-0 190 21 Notre Dame (CCHA) 2009 draft, 146th
54 * Cowick, Corey L 6-3 215 21 Elmira (ECHL), Binghamton (AHL) 2009 draft, 160th
50 * Culek, Jakub L 6-3 188 19 Rimouski (QMJHL) 2010 draft, 76th
64 Darcy, Cameron R 6-0 181 18 U.S. National Dvlpmt. (USHL) Not drafted
43 * Dzingel, Ryan C 6-0 185 20 Ohio State (CCHA) 2011 draft, 204th
59 * Dziurzynski, David L 6-3 213 22 Binghamton (AHL) Not drafted
53 * Hamilton, Wacey R 5-11 180 21 Elmira (ECHL), Binghamton (AHL) Not drafted
68 * Hoffman, Mike L 6-0 185 22 Binghamton (AHL), Ottawa (NHL) 2009 draft, 130th
6 * Kramer, Darren L 6-2 210 20 Spokane (WHL) 2011 draft, 156th
27 Maidens, Jarrod C 6-0 178 18 Owen Sound (OHL) 2012 draft, 82nd
69 * McCormick, Max L 5-11 175 20 Ohio State (CCHA) 2011 draft, 171st
36 * Noesen, Stefan R 6-1 198 19 Plymouth (OHL) 2011 draft, 20th
44 * Pageau, Jean-Gabriel C 5-9 170 19 Gatineau (QMJHL), Chicoutimi (QMJHL) 2011 draft, 96th
61 * Peltz, Brad L 6-1 175 22 Yale (ECAC) 2009 draft, 190th
10 * Prince, Shane L 5-11 189 19 Ottawa (OHL) 2011 draft, 61st
3 * Puempel, Matt L 6-1 201 19 Peterborough (OHL), Binghamton (AHL) 2011 draft, 24th
51 Schneider, Cole L 6-2 180 21 Connecticut (AHA), Binghamton (AHL) Not drafted
60 * Stone, Mark R 6-3 203 20 Brandon (WHL), Ottawa (NHL) 2010 draft, 178th
93 * Zibanejad, Mika C 6-1 200 19 Djurgardens (Sweden), Ottawa (NHL) 2011 draft, 6th
SOURCE: #Flyers have offered Meszaros, Read, and a 1st round pick in 2013 to #Ducks for Bobby Ryan. So far, no deal. Talks ongoing.
63 * Aneloski, Bryce D 6-2 204 22 Nebraska-Omaha (WCHA) 2010 draft, 196th
37 Baillargeon, Robert D 6-0 175 18 Indiana (USHL) 2012 draft, 136th
70 * Blood, Ben D 6-3 232 23 North Dakota (WCHA), Binghamton (AHL) 2007 draft, 120th
74 * Borowiecki, Mark D 6-2 210 22 Binghamton (AHL), Ottawa (NHL) 2008 draft, 139th
47 Boyle, Timothy D 6-1 185 19 Nobles & Greenough (USHS) 2012 draft, 106th
49 * Claesson, Fredrik D 6-0 198 19 Djurgardens (Sweden) 2011 draft, 126th
38 Ceci, Cody D 6-2 207 18 Ottawa (OHL) 2012 draft, 15th
52 * Fransoo, Jordan D 6-2 188 19 Brandon (WHL), Victoria (WHL) 2011 draft, 186th
72 New, Daniel D 6-1 190 23 Providence College (HE), Springfield (AHL) Not drafted
58 Sdao, Michael D 6-4 207 22 Princeton (ECAC) 2009 draft, 191st
56 Van Riemsdyk, Trevor D 6-2 185 20 New Hampshire (HE) Not drafted
45 * Wideman, Chris D 5-10 183 22 Miami (Ohio) (CCHA) 2009 draft, 100th
66 Wikstrand, Mikael D 6-1 183 18 Mora IK (Swe-Jr.) 2012 draft, 196th
Any word if we're making an official pitch?
I don't know that we have anything to offer that takes the place of Mezaros. We either have guys that are MUCH younger and better (Cowen, Karlsson) or guys that will likely be better some day but aren't NHL ready (Boro-Cop, Wiercioch etc).
If the Ducks are intent on getting immediate help on their blueline we'd need to include a third team in the deal.
That's HUGE for a goalie...
I haven't measured him lately ;)
That's just how he's listed in the press release. No idea if it's an indication of him actually adding size, a typo or what.
It's too bad we don't have the D to spare, cause we could definitely top that in forwards.
Easy on the Twinkies Lehner!!
Joy Lindsay @PSBJoyOnTheSens
Caporusso likely still recovering from season-ending injury. Grant was just in Ott. Silfverberg had long season.
Silfverberg was likely told to stay home and focus on the "real camp". Stone might have been told the same if he wasn't North American (i.e. easy enough for him to travel to camp).
The Petersson exclusion is a bit more interesting though. Wonder if there's a story there.
He's learned he's going back to Bingo no matter his performance in camp, so he started shoveling swedish pastries down his throat!
Disclaimer: No its not real, its a joke people...
.@SensChirp @Scooter_23 Petersson is 21, will be 22 before season starts. Was also injured a lot last season.
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/06/23/numbers-game-building-through-the-nhl-draft/
Maybe the real reason Nash doesnt want to come to Ottawa is he knows Brad Peltz has the #61 jersey all sown up.
Here is the schedule and the player list who are attending the camp.
http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=636005
That's crazy... Read is a very good player. 2013 is going to be one of the best drafts in a long time.. Meszaros.. well is decent.. That's not enough? But MacKenzie said they were looking for building blocks not salary.. but to me that's a decent offer.
Good then drop the Nash shit and beat that pretty bad Philly offer.
I'll volunteer to measure him!! LOL
Checked the Bingo roster from last season.. he was listed at 6'3 and 225 lbs.
#BSens forward Derek Grant not attending #Sens development camp because he is in a wedding this week.
a top 4 defenseman entering his prime
a rookie of the year candidate
a first round pick
to me that's about what it should take to get it done. If you think Ottawa should try to beat that I disagree
fuck I kind of wish Philly would offer us the same deal for Michalek
I thought they offered Mezaros?!
(BTW - I'm guessing your old user name is zipzaprap?)
Lolbombs is a suitable name for sure
Makes a lot of sense and great to hear we're in the running. Probably going to be hard to beat Edmonton in this one, but we can hope!
Getting Schultz would be huge IMO. Assuming it's not some insane contract or something.
So it's probably, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto, Sens, or possibly the Rangers?
meszaros is top 4 on any team. he averaged over 20 mins a game last season playing for one of the top teams in the east
I would say Mesz is seriously underrated by Ottawa fans because he was never as good as his ridiculous rookie season
fact is, Mesz has NEVER played bottom 6 minutes in his career. a quick look at his splits will tell you that. over 20 mins/game for his entire career except rookie season (18 mins)
youre fooling yourself if you think he fits in as a 5-6 defenceman
it would be interesting to see if we would offer the same thing for bobby ryan as nash
@seabs86
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he has to sign a 2-year ELC. That's what's making him so attractive around the league, on top of him being a great D prospect. It would be a great pick up for any team
He wants to play in a Canadian market and Edmonton is an up and coming team that can offer him a big role next season.
While I'm sure he'll consider Ottawa, he probably knows he'll be behind Karlsson and Cowen with Ceci and Boro nipping at his heels.
The more I think about it, the more I hope we land Hjalmarsson (for something other than Smith)
He's a UFA, I'm pretty sure he can sign any length any amount.
Also, didn't BM say he wanted a "veteran" defenseman?
Don't get me wrong, if he can live up to the hyp, I'm all for us signing him, but it doesn't seem to jive with what we've been hearing so far.
IMO if we could sign Schultz we still need someone to play with Karlsson.
Murray has however said all along that the "needs" could come internally. So our "top 4 guy" could mean one of the young guys step up or Schultz or a trade/UFA. Though just like Foligno could be our "new top 6" it's asking a lot to fill it all internally.
He can't actually... Under the current CBA he is too young to fall outside the bounds of an ELC. The max salary he can make is 925k
Been told #Sens felt it unnecessary for André Petersson, who had 44 points in 60 games with #BSens last season, to attend development camp.
As for the offer from Philly, it's a good one. But don't expect Ducks management to jump at the first offer they get. They are going to ride this out like the Nash thing. They want to drive up Interest before signing on the dotted line.
The CBA isn't that simple. He becomes a sub-group of UFA where he's restricted in terms of salary and length because of his age.
Wow that's crazy, you don't know how many "experts" I've heard on tv and radio talking about him getting 4mil + a year. Thanks for clarifying! If he's forced to sign a 2yr entry level contract, then I sure hope we can get this kid!
His base salary is $925,000, but he can make upwards of 3.5-4 million with performance bonuses. A couple of good examples are the Nuge and Hall in Edmonton. You can see there bonuses on Cap Geek.
Is Trevor Van Riemsdyk the same Trevor who's James brother? I just found it strange cause he's listed as a D here, but I thought he was a forward and a little younger. It's not a common name, so I had to ask.
Update - just answered my own question:
http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/06/25/sens-release-camp-roster
I guess that's what they meant, just stated it in a way where it sounded like his actual salary. Thanks for the info!
Same guy - can't speak to whether it's a mistake or if he plays D now or what.
Step 1: Call CBJ GM Scott Howson and give him one final offer.
Step 2: Get shot down because the asking price is ridiculous.
Step 3: Say thank you (you'll see why).
Step 4: Call Anaheim GM Bob Murray.
Step 5: Trade for Bobby Ryan.
Step 6: Call Howson back and inform him that he's an idiot.
Step 7: Trade for top 3 RW completed.
Karlsson -
Gonchar - Schultz
Phillips - Cowen
Carkner
We have a better chamce of signing Cam Barker
I wouldn't be so quick to get rid of Konopka, guy was great in playoffs IMO. Great on faceoffs, good depth guy, will fight anyone. Somebody will snap him up for sure.
Thats like offering Phillips-Greeni ng-1st pick
Hell if the Sens offer Zibby-Wiorcioch -1st they would win hands down. 1st things first they're moving this guy to free up money! They don't want salary back. That is the key! Lots of these teams are cash strapped they sell tickets for 15 dollars + a free lunch and oil change!
You get Schultz and then Ryan and SENS would be in pretty good shape. Schultz was a first round pick if i'm not mistaken so not your average college free agent. When are negotiations open with this guy (July 1st also??)
I'm guessing you saw the same bugs bunny cartoon I did
He's the real deal
I think it would probably have to more with the amount of media coverage and attention he would be given here. I can't say that I would enjoy that attention. Bottom line is in a lot of these markets, he would have a more normal life. I think the work demands are significantly higher here for that reason and it takes a special kind of commitment. I say if he doesn't particularly want to be here then pass on the deal. His contract is terrible anyway.
True, but I would suspect we don't want to trade for someone if he'll just ask for a trade right after that. Though he doesn't totally control his fate, I would hope Anaheim at least takes it into consideration after all the crap they've put him through.
I'm not saying he won't come here, but he's made it clear he wants to go to philly. I'd almost compare to if a team other than Carolina or the Rangers had traded for J Staal. Yes you'd get him, but he could flee as soon as he's UFA.
He's a UFA in 3 yrs .. and the Sens would never get back what they paid for him.. since he would be close to being a UFA. Stay away Murray..
On HB saw a St. Louis blogger that stated Chris Stewart possible to Toronto. Would not want to see that...
umm schultz was a 2nd rounder. 43rd to be exact. playing in the WCHA.
Im not saying the guy isnt the real deal, but i cant name much players that came out of that league.
only ones that i know about are turris, weirdcioch, gardiner.
edit: i found a list of all players coming from WCHA, which also includes some bigger names such as ryan suter, joe pavelski, heatley, craig anderson, brain lee
http://www.wcha.com/pdf/mguide0910/Ybk-193-208.pdf
2nd rounder... Not 1st. He was picked at a similar spot to Patrick Wiercoch
They said some of the other players will be working out in Ottawa for some of the summer.. so they did not bring them.
Some of them actually wanted to come but there was no room.
Tim Murray also said on the Team this afternoon that they are not going to beg Nash to come to Ottawa.... Good... sounds like it's not going to happen.
Also did you hear that Luongo won't waive his NTC to go to Toronto.. the Centre of the Hockey Universe.
As far as Schultz to Edmonton.. they are the sexy pick I guess with Yakupov, RNH, Hall, Eberle.. star forwards and he would get lots of ice time in D...
om NHL Live Mackenzie Just listed TOR, VAN, EDM, PHI, and NYR as top landing spots for Schultz
Im pretty sure I will believe a teams assistant GM over some fat guy who isn't always right and usually just says the obvious.
Fan asks "Bob, do you think there will be a lockout next year"
Bob answers: "There could be yes, but there's also a chance there won't be"
Fan responds: "Thanks, tips"
I personally don't see Schultz coming here, but if an assistant GM goes on the radio and says they are one of the 5 teams, then I gotta think they are one of the 5 teams. Also, I don't believe Philly or NYR will be chosen simply because there is too much competition. Same goes for Van. Edm, Tor and Ott make the most sense.
sorry but bobMack isnt fat-brucy garrioch. bob is one of the few very respected reliable sources out there.
No source is right every single time.
however i do agree that rangers make no sense. He wont have a spot. Philly not only have too many D, but all are right handed. they are looking to add some left handed D (that is another reason why i dont undertand the meszaros trade)
Ottawa and Toronto will offer basically the same thing. Ask him to come in and be a top 4 maybe a top pair Dman.
Oilers probably offering for him to be on the top pair as the go to guy.
and for that reason, i think he goes to edmonton.
I thought he wanted to play in Canada. How does he play in the top 4 in Vancouver, NYR and Philly. He doesn't..
That leaves Tor & Edm. Toronto has a lot of D.. Edmonton not so much...
How the hell do they know what teams are on the list? Has Schultz and his agent made that public?
I really never get why people put so much trust and faith in his word. The guy is virtually never right beside the top 3 picks in a draft and the same inaccuracy goes for his trade "insider knowledge". Not to mention if anyone corrects him or tries to challenge him he gets defensive and expects respect.
3 years with a top forward. I am all for it. If he keeps getting better Murray can still get a decent return if he had to move him. As well alot can happen in that time and whats to say he wouldn't want to stay. He clearly wants to be in a place that wants him.
I heard or read somwwhere his wife wants to live in NYC, which is likely driving his priorities. Not necessarily him not wanting to play here.
KJ
Are you kidding me? Bob is the most respected "insider" in the business. He is also an accomplished journalist, and author, and has a deep knowledge of the game, which poeple do respect him for.
KJ
Check his draft rankings and the actual order of draftees if you think i am talking out of my ass. There is no doubt about his knowledge about the game i am talking about taking his guesses as fact. How can he say the Sens are not on Shultz's list when Tim Murray said they are? Dregger and LeBrun have broken more trades than he has over the past couple of years and if you don't believe me check those as well if you like on the TSN archives.
if that twitter account is your source it is incorrect, no "a" in McKenzie - fake account.
The real BM hasnt tweeted that
I'm fairly sure that he would know how to spell course as well.
Quite the "steal". Bet SJ would like a Mulligan. Could it be the same with Nash? That contract could be an albatross for years if the CBA doesn't address bad contracts and we will have given away two or three prospects.
Why rush?
Because it's Alfie's last year... That is the only reason to give it a hard push. If you think you are a couple of big pieces away from contending, you owe it to one of the greatest captains of all times to give it a shot at acquiring those pieces. He deserves a cup and the organization will do its best to provide a shot at one. Who cares if we regret the Nash trade in 3 years if we go on a run and win the cup this year... I'm not saying I think Nash = a cup win, but he would do a lot in pushing us close to contending. I personally like Ryan better as an option, but there has to be a reason why we're not pursuing him as hard.
What really bothers me is how reports of players wanting to go somewhere are always the same. Philly, NY, Toronto... It angers me. Philly right now is the Ottawa Sens 2.0, had a great group to the cup run, gave away a bunce of assets and are now required to big a big splash trade each year to keep in competitive. They have more prospects in the system but will eventually burn out and need to start over like we did. Toronto, I won't even go there. NY, have some great players in key positions but have also been adding a big name each year to push them ahead.
So why is Ottawa an unatractive location to these guys? It can't be the city in general cause Ottawa is a great place to live. We have refaced our team, started something great for years to come. Have what appears to be one of the better up and coming coaches. We don't appear to have that same bad influence dressing room problem or some type of goalie issue. So what is it?
Maybe Ottawa needs to add someone to the payroll who's job is to bring these guys to town, wine and dine them and show them what it could be like living here and raising a family. Im sure they have people who do that, but you never hear about it very much. BM if you are reading this post, where do i apply? Lol
Is a Canadaian city a great place to play hockey? Yes
Is a Canadian city a great place for a wife to spend the majority of the winter alone or as a single parent? Guess it depends on the individual...
I remember numerous people on this board suggesting that Carrie would be moving to Ottawa cuz Fisher just built a new house...sure... .A famous southern girl hunkering down in Ottawa for the winter, not bloody likely.
Make no mistake, a pro sports players wife is a special kind of breed and they often sacrifice a life of normality while haveing cash to burn. Under those circumstances, you could see why Ottawa may not be the destination of choice...
I'm very glad we are reaching out to Winchester over Konopka. Sure Konopka fights but does he really intimidate anyone? He's not a very strong fighter, all his fights are staged, and he never "sends a message"
He was relegated to the press box almost the whole second half, and when winnie got injured again in the 1st game vs NYR they had to turn to Konopka
He had a 6 game sample size where he played fairly well, but even at that all he did was win face offs, and play PK
Very replaceable, and in fact winnie does all that while being able to sustain a forecheck and play regular minutes
Gonna be missed in Bingo man.
It's not the end of the world either way since bottom six guys are easy enough to find, but I would have taken Konopka over Winchester myself. I like Winnie but with the concussion issues and that Konopka is one of the best face off guys in the league I think Kono adds a bit more. Now of course the rules have changed so maybe Kono won't be as effective.
And I wouldn't consider Konopka a "fighter" and I don't think he's ever intimidated anyone. He's willing to drop the gloves and grapple or even fight smaller guys (or lose to bigger guys), but don't confuse him with Carkner, Neil, Smith or even Foligno when it comes to being a deterrent out there.
The fact that they're considering either of them means they must be fairly committed to moving out a couple of forwards in a trade of some sort - otherwise there's just no room.
But with PM, having possession of the puck is a huge part of our game plan. Konopka is incredibly valuable in that sense. I'm sure if they could replace him, they would've shipped him out at the trade deadline. If you've watch some of the Sens TV vids posted on the site, there are a few times where you get a glimpse of Konopka practicing the draw with Smith, Winnie, etc. I've never thought of him as a fighter, but I think his experience is great for the young players still learning the ropes of the big leagues.
correct but if Konopka isn't a fighter or deterrent what is his use? Simply face offs?
Spezza is just as good now, so Konopka doesn't serve much of a use since Id rather have Spezza out there taking key draws in key moments because if the draw is won/loss Spezza then serves a use on the ice
Konopka was horrid for us last year, and many fans(not neccessarily you) are getting blinded by his 6 game sample in the playoffs where Maclean ran him hard on the draw against a team that line matchin was important.
Konopka can't hold a spot for 82 games on our lineup. Winchester sure has injury issues, but if there is an option at the same value on the UFA market i would have no problem sending both packing and picking up new person to fill roll
Spezza is not going to be out there for 60 minutes a night.
What does that say to the other team when they know the only other person on the opposing team (Sens) that can win a face off more than 50% of the time, is Spezza? We absolutely need Konopka to teach the rest of the guys to be better.
Next closest Sen? Zach Smith #58 with 990 and Kyle Turris #80 with 723 (sure to rise this year with full season)
Konopka ranked #124 in league with 394 draws taken..now compare that to Spezza number again
Konopka doesn't contribute to our puck posession figure. Sure the 394 is in 55 games but its not very impressive
Fact of the matter is Maclean doesn't see a use in him. In the playoffs maybe because hype if magnifide and in 0-0 games, every single draw is of importance, but first you have to get to playoffs, and Konopka is useless in the regular season
If you want a face off specialist, trade Smith for Hjarmalsson and go pay Gaustad 3 mill a year to be new 3LC as his ability on the draw rivals Konopka and he brings much more to the table for the extra 2 mill
**Keep in mind these stats were on a supposedly weak team last year, where Konopka earned a spot. Turris will play more, so we have 3 viable centres to take draws etc..and important draws, Spezza certaintly will take them again, just like he did all last year)
You are waaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaay undervaluing the face-off component. Though as I mentioned, now that you can't use your hand that's Konopka's #1 move that he's without.
Konopka was also far from horrid last year during the regular season. His unique skill set is just more valuable in the playoffs and the ice time was better used in the regular season on younger guys that might have a shot at the top 9.
Having a guy like Konopka (similar to Carkner in this sense only) that doesn't mind too much being a scratch until we really need him is actually pretty huge. He's a leader in the locker room as well which helps in a rebuild.
Again, not saying we have room or that he can't be replace - or even that Winchester can't bring most of the same stuff and maybe more, but a guy who wins draws, will mix it up and is cool being a scratch most of the year until the playoffs where his role is bigger has value.
... and he's a goalie... HOLY SHIT!
Face offs are very very important. The important ones are on PK, PP, last minute of the game etc etc etc. I know that Spezza took all of these crucial ones last year. Him leading the league tells me this.
Until game 5, Konopka was not ebing used as the key face off guy, spezza was. Just like Toews/Staal/Ber geron/Crosby do for their team because they are all elite guys, like Spezza
If tecahing our players how to win faceoffs is that important, then replace Luke Richardson spot on the bench with yannick Perruealt and he can coach them, thus opening up a spot for a youngster, or vet that knows how to actually skate/forecheck /shoot/pass
Worth a shot?
Exactly, hence why I said replace his spot on the bench
Injury prone.
Would not touch him with a 10 foot pole. Feel real bad for the guy because he has so much upside.
We already have Foligno do that, so pass...
I would tend to believe the majority on these boards would agree with me that he didn't/doesn't/ wont take many key ES draws next year
Last year with all his value to us this was his Face-off break down in 55 GP
ES: 273 FO taken (5/game)
PP: 14 FO taken (1 every 4 gp)
SH: 107 FO taken (2/game)
So his impact on our team on the draws is 7 FO per game, and 2 being "important" on the PK.
Ya, im pretty sure we can replace those 2 extra FO every game on the PK
Gotcha
I can't see the leafs trading JVR, and everyone wants Nash.
Sigh - clearly you don't particularly like Konopka which is fine but let me toss a few bullet points at you:
* this team will make the playoffs where having a guy like that is valuable
* if you can pay a guy next to nothing, have him be an additional positive influence in your room, he won't mind being a scratch - why not (assuming you have room)
* many of his regular season draws were likely with the muckers, but that doesn't mean he didn't take some key draws late in games with other lines. Much more frequent in the playoffs of course.
* there's likely no room for either guy until they move some bodies out
* Sens clearly decided that having Winnie who can take shifts in the top 9 and is better on the boards was worth more than Konopka's higher ability on draws etc.