Filatov remains the property of the Ottawa Senators for now, but they'll need to send him a qualifying offer to retain his rights. That seems unlikely with the news he has signed a two year deal with a team in the KHL.
When the Senators made the deal for Filatov at the draft last season, it was described as a low risk, high reward move. Filatov is a player that has all the skill in the world but has yet to show the determination and work ethic required to be successful at the NHL level.
Filatov was given an opportunity at the start of the season but never seemed to fit in here in Ottawa. After a brief yet impressive stint in Binghamton, Filatov made the decision to return to Russia to finish the season.
There's still a chance the Senators could make the decision to qualify Filatov to ensure they maintain his NHL rights but that seems like a long shot at this point.
Good luck in the KHL, Mr. Filatov.
"Meh."
Filatov, Leclaire...Colu mbus trades keep getting me excited, and then disappointing me :(
damn you Columbus!!!
@SensibleMac - There isn't much in the 3rd rnd to get excited about and the guys in the 4th and beyond fans are excited about are not all going to make the NHL.
If the cost is minimal why wouldn't we retain his rights?
Not a major impact right now of course as barely anyone had him factored in next year.
I believe the only problem it presents is he will take up one of 50 eligible contract spots we have.
According to Capgeek, to retain Filatov's NHL rights the Senators would have to qualify him with an offer of $826,875. Because his base salary of $787,500 is greater than $660,000 and less than $1,000,000, it is increased by 5 percent for the purposes of his qualifying offer.
Perhaps more importantly, the qualifying offer would not even have to be a two-way contract offer because Filatov: didn't appear in 180 or more NHL games in his previous three seasons; appear in 60 or more NHL games the previous season; and didn't clear waivers during the previous season.
On the surface, it seems like an easy decision to qualify the player just so that the Senators could retain his rights. But honestly, would anyone blame them if they didn't?
As one of two gambles, Matt Gilroy being the other, that never really paid dividends last season, the likelihood of Filatov accepting a two-way contract to compete with prospects and other organizational players who have passed him on the depth chart is unlikely. But assuming he did accept Ottawa's offer, his contractual agreement would go towards the NHL's mandated 50 contract reserve limit. (In other words, every NHL organization is permitted to have only 50 players signed to NHL contracts at a time - this includes prospects, minor league players on two-way deals and et cetera.)
http://www.the6thsens.com/2012-articles/may/filatov-signs-contract-with-khls-salavat-yulaev.html
Nope. We have restricted access to his NHL rights, not his rights in general. So anything that happens outside the NHL is beyond our control and would not involve compensation.
So by "not even" does that mean it could be a 1-way AHL contract? I don't get the "not even" here as it sounds like it's saying it's a good thing but I would assume we'd want him on a 2-way contract if anything so we can move him up and down if we wanted to.
I know it's a moot point since that scenario is highly unlikely, but can anyone clarify?
He will never crack any NHL roster, and should stay in KHL
Simply not worth qualifying !
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(points in round 3+4 so far)
And yes, I'm only really posting the standings because I'm in first - otherwise I probably wouldn't care. LOL
I did and got blasted for it, what a waste of a pick...
I noticed in the 3rd and 4th round that everyone and their dog was choosing New Jersey and LA guys...so I went the other way...we'll see! :)
It was for last years 3rd and in the 4th round we picked Pageau and Claesson in the 5th. It appears that both of them have a brighter future than Filatov in the nhl. I'd be curious to see who our scouts would have snatched up in the 3rd...you know, fantasy world.
So I guess Ovie, Kovalchuk, Datsyuk, Malkin should just retire or go back to KHL then?
Dont be stupid, I would draft atleast 1-2 Russians a year in hopes of landing a guy like one of them! And if the Russian is a high pick, they usually turn out to be the be4st in the NHL in a few years.
Yakupov and Girgorenko are going to be what they are worth and then some, especially if Yak goes to EDM, wow!
Grigs in MTL is exactly what they need a BIG C with speed and size!
And at #3 Galchenyuk is going to be a great player aswell, these guys all play in the CHL and are used to the Canadian game and even play it better than most Canadians!
You win some, you lose some.
I agree mostly except for the part if they are a high pick - Filatov was a high pick - Filatov committed to the Wolves if he didn't make CLB out of camp (which he stupidly did)
So your point doesn't make a whole lot of sense here
Thats where the use of the word "usually" comes into play.
No.
Yes.
No competition from me Hax, I didn't get my picks in before the deadline.
What's the story, Morning Glory ?
Same goes, big nose!
of those 15 spots
8/15 could be filled with RFA
or
12/15 could be filled with UFA
either way coming into next year and plans on picking up a top 6 and a top 4 shut down defense men, I said it once and I'll say it again space is very limited and thanks to have so much depth we will lose out on players we could of gotten draft picks for or due a two, three, four for 1 swap to keep roster at a minimum and with good talent. not to mention this years draft
Misprint on our part, was supposed to read as "one-way" not "two-way". Apologies for the confusion.
I'm not doing well in the pool either... I picked too many Penguins thinking they were going to the Cup final... That didn't work well.
I also don't know what planet I have been on... but I did not realize that PA Parenteau was born in Hull? Not sure if his family is still there.. but if he hits UFA and Murray goes after him.. I would think he could get him...
Ah okay - that makes more sense. Monday morning so wasn't sure if I was missing something obvious.
You can't "lowball" a qualifying offer. A qualifying offer is %110 of what said player earned the previous season.
They can qualify him with an offer higher than that though (I think) so was really just saying they could offer the minimum. (Which is actually 5% over last year's pay is it not?)
the list is endless here in Ottawa, other that Volchenkov
I was hopeful on Filatov, judging by what I had seen here live in Ottawa at the WJC, and cannot believe how far he has sunk.
Therefore I disagree wtih Tooks on this one.
Speaking of Russian duds, anyone know anything about that 2nd round pick we took in Bashkrirov, who we chose out of the CHL? Seems to have vanished... another wasted pick!
He seems to have been our last Russian pick, and I do not think we have many prospects left... leave them for the other teams to take, I say stick to North American or Swedes... IMO only of course
As part owner with his brothers, he will go back to London Knights as Head Coach !
i know its tough to still back up the russians but if we seriously broke it down, sens fans just blow up the russian factor more than what it really is in ottawa. in 2007 bashkirov was (i believe) drafted under muckler at the 2nd last pick in 2nd round.. ahead of wayne simmonds..
before him was 3rd rounder the late Vitali Anikeyenko (RIP) in 2005, and 4th rounder zubov who did have a good attempt at bingo but was never good enough to move up.
and from 2002-2004 we drafted 3 straight russians in the 2nd round. all failed obviously.
before then a true 1st rounder was volchenkov and before then was yashin. both 1st rounders and both played serious amount of time in the NHL.
point is, when we have drafted high russians. its worked. any lower well its pretty much as big a gamble as drafting a player from any nationality.
we will not be drafting a russian for a pretty long time so for the sens fans that hate russians, well you shouldnt be worried. the only time we will draft a russian is if we have a top 5 pick and a russian is projected to go then.
and it seems recently that more and more russians are deciding to stay at home even high end prospects (tarasenko, kuznetsov etc.)
but this years top 3 no one should be worried. yakupov is a guranteed hit for the nhl. galchenyuk is russian decent but plays for team USA.. grigorenko might be a small concern but he really seems like he will be here too
so you compared 1/4 russians we drafted to 5 swedes we have drafted and 4 of which were under our best scouts in franchise history with BM...
HE'S DEAD, JIM !
See, this just proves MoeDozer's point more. Russians who are drafted top of the class usually hang around, case in point Yashin, Gonchar, Volchenkov. You have the odd one that doesnt pan out being that high, Filatov. But for the most part, high prospect Russian players aren't always a bad gamble. I think the introduction to the KHL has really made this seem worse than it is, but you do obvioulsy have to take into account that some players who may not break into the NHL right away, may consider the KHL instead of riding the bus in the farm league because they pay much more at the start of the players career. The NHL doesn't do that anymore.
Rick Nash for Alexander Ovechkin
If Columbus could get Yakupov and one of either Galyenchuk or Grigerenko, than he could mentor them. Otherwise, Columbus is just changing for the sake of change.
that was really uncalled for..
Agreed that it's surprising but it certainly isn't unique to this site.
unfortunately, and especially the way senschirpers have been acting today. i would not think its smart to do so, he wants/needs/usu ally deserves pretty high pay. but my bet is next season he will be a top 10 scorer in the league, KHL that is.
Oh no doubt...its everywhere I go for Sens news...but hey people don't admit it's racism because the hide it as so and so had a bad game.
Wasn't a dig towards you chirp
I think it depends on alfie's decision, if he comes back I don't see us getting a top 6 forward but if he retires than we will. IMO getting a top d man to pair with karlsson will be our main priority and more realistic
Not sure why you're surprised, it's been happening for the 3 years that I've been visiting the site.
There just seems to be the belief that it's not real racism because it's not about the colour of the skin.
Call me insensitive, but how is it racism to say that Russian players are risky draft picks? Nobody (that I've seen) has said they lack skill - only that it's tough to lure them away from the KHL where they can make big bucks playing "at home" instead of riding the buses in the AHL.
Not saying that none of the comments were racist (didn't read them all) but the basic concept of Russian draft picks being risky in hardly racist.
It's all about reality, and to me, there are some great Russian hockey players, that have played, and are playing in the NHL.
However, when you see the likes of Yashin, Kovalev, Semin
and others that I forget, these are the prima donnas of
Russians, who simply play when they want to play.
Guys like Tretiak, Bure, Ovechkin and some others, are great,and play with heart and desire, but in general, Russian hockey players do not exude heart and dedication, but just want the $$$ !!!!!!!!
Yeah I don't see it as "racism" either. Nevermind the enigmatic players Snoopy mentioned, think about the decline, a heartless season by Ovie and his pal Semin. Bolting over to the worlds, surprised they had time to clean out their lockers. I'd bet Hunter spoke to to the GM or Leonsis about the problem with these guys this year and didn't hear an answer he liked so decided to quit on the team too.
The fiasco with Radulov and then the bullshit in the middle of the playoffs with him and Kostitsyn . Now add Filatov to the heap of Russian prospects that decide to stay home instead.
You can't deny this. This is a risk involved in drafting these guys. Sure if you have an Ovie or Yakupov or Malkin as a potential pick you measure risk against reward. Sure some of the best players in the world are Russian but there are also an abnormally high percentage who don't even show in the first place, or once they get that hefty contract their level of giving a shit plummets.
The comments in this thread are fairly innocent when compared to what has been said.
The generalisations that Russian players are lazy, worthless, only interested in the money are often bandied about on this site (and others of course, but I only regularly read this one because I think it's the bext mix of news and comment)and whilst there are Russian players who fit this description there are also Russian players that don't and players from other nationalities that do.
Dustin Penner is a regular victim of accusations of laziness and worthlessness, I'm surprised he hasn't got a Russian passport.
If people just were a little more precise in their opinions rather than basing it on the generalisation of all Russians must be the same it would be a lot better. People would, hopefully, be appalled if somebody was to suggest that we stay away from Subban in the draft because he is black but advising that we don't qualify Filatov because he's Russian is apparently OK.
Filatov is lazy and doesn't seem motivated and doesn't appear easy to coach because those are his own character flaws, he isn't all of those things just because he is Russian.
http://www.iihf.com/competition/272/news/news-singleview-2012/recap/6946.html?tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=6249&cHash=0a263eecca
Couple interesting bits in there include the fact that he says he doesn't seem himself coaching anytime soon and that when he does retire, it will definitely be as an Ottawa Senator.
Funny because I was the one asking the question on coaching.
His agent is Mark Gandler, as in 3 Yashin holdouts! I wouldn't touch any of his clients.
Not directed at you personally...bu t do you really think any racist/Bigot person says "Hmmm its tuesday lets decide to hate everyone with black hair!!"?
No they think that their unfounded views of a certain demographic of people(based on what ever) is founded on facts.
Main Entry: stereotype
Function: noun
Etymology: French stéréotype, from stéré- stere- + type
Date: 1817
1 : a plate cast from a printing surface
2 : something conforming to a fixed or general pattern; especially : a standardized mental picture that is held in common by members of a group and that represents an oversimplified opinion, prejudiced attitude, or uncritical judgment
Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
Date: 1936
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
Hopefully people are just over simplifying (most likely) and not speaking of a superiority of one race over another...
Certainly when people who say Russian players have no heart or are lazy or selfish etc I can see the racism in that.
But to simply state that Russians are risky draft picks isn't racist in itself. The lure of the KHL is a significant factor and the transition to living and working in North America can be harder on Russian players. I'm not an advocate of "never draft a Russian" but certainly you have to look a bit deeper if you plan to. It's more about statistical probability than anything else. To say "ALL" (insert race/religion/n ationality/gend er/whatever here) are a certain way is racist/bigoted, but to acknowledge tendencies that relate directly to the culture they come from is not.
"Most Russians speak Russian and many do not speak English" - not racist.
"Russians can't speak English" - racist.
"Russians often prefer to play in the KHL over coming to North America to play in the AHL" - not racist.
"Russians always bolt for the KHL" - racist.
I think you actually said it right when you said "unfounded". If there's a legitimate, statistically proven trend based on what defines the "race" then it's not racism to acknowledge that. To treat it as an absolute or to make unfounded claims is racist though.
from that team on the sens.
Fiilatov was not one of them.
We want character players, don't care where they come from.
If Filatov is not a character player he can stay in Russia.
This team is going places with 100% heart and character.
Russia is a different culture to generalize them as a country might not be politically correct but not racist could be wrong
It is not even a conversation of players from Sweden so the rep is self inflicted when they pull crap like they did with the silver.
Not touching him with a 10' pole...Brad Richards was the guy to go for, coulda traded Spezza to Rangers for Brian Boyle, beg Richards to come to O-Town and we'd be in round three by now...Murray dropped the ball...